1 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:15,000 Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to wikapp Daily with Meet 2 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:18,480 Speaker 1: Your Girl Danielle Moody recording Not So Live from my 3 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:23,200 Speaker 1: Brooklyn Cilarium. Today, I want to talk about the right 4 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 1: of a woman to choose, when, where and if she 5 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 1: wants to have a child. Justice Sonia Satomayor's quote her 6 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 1: grief that she expressed in her thoughts after hearing the 7 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 1: opening oral arguments for the Texas abortion ban at fifteen 8 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:52,600 Speaker 1: weeks that would ban abortion, taking the viability level down 9 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 1: from twenty four weeks to fifteen. For no other reason 10 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:02,320 Speaker 1: than the Mississippi people that are bringing this case knew 11 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:08,120 Speaker 1: that with a six to three stacked Trump Court that 12 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:10,639 Speaker 1: they would be able to do what they've been trying 13 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 1: to do for nearly fifty years, which is to overturn 14 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:21,039 Speaker 1: Roe v. Wade. For decades, I can remember the one 15 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:24,840 Speaker 1: of the first jobs that I had was working at 16 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:30,320 Speaker 1: a national women's organization, and I can remember carrying signs 17 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:34,760 Speaker 1: and marching and talking about ROW and its importance and 18 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:39,399 Speaker 1: freedom and liberty. And it's so funny to me the 19 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:46,319 Speaker 1: irony of a Republican party right now who has bastardized 20 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 1: the terms liberty and justice in their desire to spread 21 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 1: a lethal virus that is killed over seven hundred thousand people, 22 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 1: and then at the same time want to argue and 23 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 1: talk about the sanctity of life. If somebody were to 24 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 1: be writing this in a Hollywood script, they would say, no, 25 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 1: it's too dumb, No one would buy into it. But 26 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 1: that is where we are right now. And Justice Sonia 27 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 1: Sotomayer so eloquently expressed how millions of women and people 28 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:29,359 Speaker 1: with uteruses are feeling as we await what we know 29 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 1: is the certain final death Knel to rov Wade, this 30 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 1: is what she said. The right of a woman to 31 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 1: choose the right to control her own body has been 32 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 1: clearly set since Casey and never challenged. You want us 33 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:55,960 Speaker 1: to reject that line of viability and adopt something different. 34 00:02:57,320 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 1: The viability line which is written here for mother. Jo 35 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 1: Jones says, this drawn in nineteen seventy three by Row 36 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 1: and which does not allow states to ban abortions before 37 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:14,359 Speaker 1: a fetus could survive outside of the wound, hasn't been 38 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:17,080 Speaker 1: an issue for thirty years. And just to put this 39 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 1: into perspective, over sixty percent of the population, sixty percent 40 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:27,679 Speaker 1: not along party lines, Over sixty percent of the population 41 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 1: is for abortion, and which seems right when we look 42 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 1: at the stats of the number of women who have 43 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 1: had abortions and the number of men who have fucking 44 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 1: paid for them. Right, So when you look at the 45 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 1: reality that the mainstream media and the right wing evangelical 46 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 1: Christians say that they've been waging some type of culture war, 47 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 1: but the reality is is that the culture is already 48 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 1: on the side of liberty and freedom to control one's 49 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 1: reproductive systems. We already decided that back in nineteen seventy three. 50 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 1: So imagine now that there are women that are close 51 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:17,119 Speaker 1: to fifty years to hold who have never never knew 52 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:20,360 Speaker 1: what it was like to live in a country where 53 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:24,920 Speaker 1: they were literally second class citizens, going to be shackled 54 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:30,919 Speaker 1: to kitchens and their homes, not able to make decisions 55 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:35,479 Speaker 1: about their future, about their potential income, right, Because it's 56 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 1: not as if we have paid family fucking leave in 57 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:41,799 Speaker 1: this country. It's not as if we once a child 58 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:47,039 Speaker 1: comes out of the womb that we provide any childcare. 59 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:50,039 Speaker 1: These are the things that we were talking about in 60 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 1: the Human Infrastructure Bill, and within our own goddamn party 61 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 1: you have Joe Manchin saying, yeah, I don't know about 62 00:04:57,440 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 1: that child tax credit. I don't know about that paid 63 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 1: family leave. These are things that other industrialized nations have 64 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:12,719 Speaker 1: and have had, But somehow we continue to talk about 65 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 1: America being anybody's beacon, beacon of what America right now 66 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 1: is at. It's like a before and after picture. It's 67 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 1: like what not to do? You know? Sony Sartor goes 68 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 1: on to say, this, will this institution survive the stench 69 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 1: this creates in the public perception that the Constitution and 70 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 1: its reading are just political acts. If people actually believe 71 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 1: it's all political, how will the court survive? There was 72 00:05:55,680 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 1: a time when we believed in the sanctity of the courts, 73 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 1: when we actually had faith in our institutions and branches 74 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 1: of government. Right. This is the beauty. This was the 75 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 1: beauty of being an American. Was the understanding that we 76 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:17,279 Speaker 1: lived inside of a democracy where we had free and 77 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 1: fair elections, where yes, politicians may stretch the truth at times, 78 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:27,600 Speaker 1: but we didn't live inside of a broken system that 79 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 1: was filled with kleptocracy and lies and fake elections that 80 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 1: are only put on for political performance. That's the beauty. 81 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 1: It was the ability to kind of go along with 82 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 1: your day to day life and never really have to 83 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:49,839 Speaker 1: participate or pay attention to what it was that your 84 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 1: elected officials were doing, because your assumption was if I 85 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:57,200 Speaker 1: elected them, then they are to be my voice, then 86 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:00,960 Speaker 1: they are to vote with my best interests in mind. 87 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 1: We have fallen so far from that reality. We are 88 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 1: so far from that space. We have judges that are 89 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 1: sitting on the Supreme Court in stolen goddamn seats. I mean, 90 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 1: just think about this, folks for a minute. Brett Cavanaugh, 91 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 1: that piece of shit, has been accused of sexual assault 92 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 1: by multiple women, but Mitch McConnell and the Republicans didn't 93 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 1: bother to want to do any due diligence. The fucking 94 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 1: FBI throughout multiple tips that they were seeing thousands of 95 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 1: tips on Brett Cavanaugh, which just what shoved under the 96 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 1: fucking rug. So we have just think, we have two 97 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 1: sexual predators that sit on the Supreme Court right now 98 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 1: that are getting to make decisions about what women can 99 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 1: do with their bodies, when in multiple instances, neither one 100 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 1: of those son of a bitches give the woman any 101 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:19,320 Speaker 1: choice about what they did to humiliate them, to harass them, 102 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 1: or to assault them. But this is America, and the 103 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 1: Supreme Court and its makeup right now is an indicative 104 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 1: of the cesspool that we have become. So when Sonya 105 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:44,080 Speaker 1: Sartomayor says, will this institution survive the stench right because 106 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 1: the odor right now is just so foul. You know, 107 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 1: when I see older women marching, particularly the one who 108 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:00,439 Speaker 1: went viral with the sign that says, I can believe 109 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 1: I still have to protest this shit, I cannot think. 110 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 1: And I feel like somebody has got to do a 111 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 1: docuseries or some type of investigative journalism to talk to 112 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 1: women who actually remember, those that are in their seventies, 113 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 1: that remember what this country was like before Roe v. Wade, 114 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:28,559 Speaker 1: what it was like to be a woman in this 115 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:31,720 Speaker 1: country and know that you know, it's not as if 116 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 1: we have real laws that prevent people from discriminating and 117 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 1: gets pregnant people from holding onto your job. You know, 118 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 1: every single time that I see these lists come out 119 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:49,960 Speaker 1: of other countries and the amount of leave family leave 120 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 1: that they give, do you know that there are some 121 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 1: countries that provide people with a year a year of NOBE. 122 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:03,600 Speaker 1: Just imagine that it seems so radical and yet it's happening. 123 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:10,200 Speaker 1: It seems so radical to be able to give new 124 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 1: parents six months three months. I'll tell you this little 125 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 1: anecdote that happened over Thanksgiving. One of my younger cousins 126 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:28,080 Speaker 1: works at a kind of KinderCare situation, right, a daycare. 127 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:33,160 Speaker 1: And it's one of those like big chain daycares. And 128 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 1: the average cost of this big chain it's not a 129 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:39,840 Speaker 1: private daycare. It's not one of those that you gotta 130 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 1: you know, on the Upper East Side if you live 131 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:47,079 Speaker 1: in New York, where you have to compete and applications 132 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:50,680 Speaker 1: and all of these things and references and blah blah blah. 133 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:56,840 Speaker 1: But this chain child daycare center costs two thousand dollars 134 00:10:56,920 --> 00:11:00,599 Speaker 1: a month. Two thousand dollars a month, and that is 135 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:03,719 Speaker 1: for one child. You don't get a discount if you 136 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 1: have two. And so let's you just assume that majority 137 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 1: of families that are coming in there have two kids 138 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 1: four thousand dollars a month, and a majority of this country, 139 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 1: that is more than most people's mortgage, that is more 140 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 1: than most people's rent. So in trying to actually work, 141 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:32,959 Speaker 1: this is why women end up being forced out of 142 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 1: the workplace. This is why we saw this at the 143 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:38,679 Speaker 1: height of COVID in twenty twenty when over two million 144 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 1: women left the workforce. Why, because what the fuck are 145 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 1: you going to do with a six year old and 146 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 1: a five year old that has to now be on 147 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:50,560 Speaker 1: zoom for seven hours? You're going to be able to 148 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:52,440 Speaker 1: just sit them in front of a computer while you 149 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 1: go in the next room and be present on your 150 00:11:56,360 --> 00:12:01,720 Speaker 1: own work calls No, And because we don't actually have 151 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 1: equal pay in this country, if you're in a heterosexual relationship, 152 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 1: it is most likely that the man is going to 153 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 1: be making more money than you, and not just a 154 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:15,720 Speaker 1: little bit more, but a fucking lot more. So the 155 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 1: system is already rigged for women to be fighting just 156 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:24,320 Speaker 1: to make half of what men make. And then you 157 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:28,319 Speaker 1: put COVID and a whole bunch of other things on 158 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 1: top of it, and yeah, the decision is going to be, well, 159 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 1: it's not cost effective for me to keep working. And 160 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 1: then what do we do to women that now when 161 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:42,040 Speaker 1: their child is of school age, because again we don't 162 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 1: have universal pre K. When the child is a school 163 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 1: age which is around kindergarten, which is five years old, 164 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 1: so that's five years out of the workforce, and we 165 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:56,199 Speaker 1: see that gap on your resume. It's not like employers say, oh, 166 00:12:56,200 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 1: we'll show me the baby pictures. Oh, congratulations, good for you. No, 167 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:03,679 Speaker 1: you're a liability. Oh is this your first kid or 168 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:06,320 Speaker 1: is your second kid? Well, then this means that you 169 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:08,600 Speaker 1: may need to leave early so that you can go 170 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:11,320 Speaker 1: to parent teacher conferences, or what if your kid falls ill? 171 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 1: So who do they decide to hire then the woman 172 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 1: that has multiple kids in a family or the single 173 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:22,920 Speaker 1: young one who is yet to have any kids, and 174 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:25,840 Speaker 1: then you keep promoting them, or you create this kind 175 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:31,080 Speaker 1: of velvet cage where you see in reports that people 176 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 1: are having kids later and later, or deciding not to 177 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:35,960 Speaker 1: do it at all because guess what, they can't fucking 178 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 1: afford it. So here we have now a situation where 179 00:13:44,559 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 1: the design the ability to create family is all based 180 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 1: on your ability to provide. And we're supposed to have 181 00:13:55,640 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 1: safety nets and systems set up to help. Right, Our 182 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:05,199 Speaker 1: tax dollars are supposed to be invested back into us, 183 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:08,839 Speaker 1: Except we've made and created all of these carve outs. 184 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 1: So in certain instances, women can't get contraception covered under 185 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:17,080 Speaker 1: their healthcare for their jobs. Right, don't you think, don't 186 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 1: think for a minute that that's not going to be 187 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 1: next on the chopping block. But now we're setting up 188 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 1: a situation where our next guests coming up. Danielle campomore 189 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 1: writer for The Today's Show, and we've had her on 190 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 1: the show before. She is a staunch abortion advocate, will 191 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 1: tell us that when row falls, because it's not an if, 192 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 1: when row falls, when the decision comes down in June 193 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 1: of twenty twenty two, twenty states have trigger laws in 194 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 1: this country where abortion will officially be banned. Twenty states 195 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 1: and the there are those that are kind of on 196 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 1: the bubble, and so when you actually really begin to 197 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 1: look at the map, it looks like maybe there is 198 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 1: going to be ten on the west and the east 199 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 1: coast where you can actually get an abortion. Now, so 200 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 1: who does that work for? Well, it works for the 201 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 1: middle class. It works for the one percent because they 202 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 1: can hop on a plane, they can take off of work, 203 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:30,280 Speaker 1: they can do whatever it is that they need to 204 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 1: do because they have the resources to be able to 205 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 1: do that. How many stories do we need to hear 206 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 1: about these places that you would have to drive two 207 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 1: three hundred miles because there's only one abortion clinic right 208 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 1: now in the whole of fucking Mississippi that is bringing 209 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 1: the fifteenth week abortion ban. There's one clinic in the 210 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 1: entire state. So if you live right miles and miles 211 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:01,880 Speaker 1: and miles away, and then you get there and they 212 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 1: tell you in most of these southern states and states 213 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 1: in the flyover land, you have to have a waiting period. 214 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 1: So if I've driven hundreds of miles to then be 215 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 1: told that I will be seen by a doctor and 216 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 1: then have to wait another twenty four hours, because again, 217 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 1: we don't trust women to make decisions just from the jump. 218 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:28,320 Speaker 1: We either got to put them through a waiting period 219 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:33,720 Speaker 1: or transvaginal ultrasounds until then we decide, Oh, I think 220 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 1: you're ready a gun. However, well, bitch, you can buy 221 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:40,680 Speaker 1: that today and shoot up as many fucking people as 222 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 1: you would like. We are creating what many said was hyperbolic, 223 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 1: the Handmaid's Tail Gilead. We're creating a system where we 224 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:05,240 Speaker 1: are going to see more women lose their lives because 225 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:09,159 Speaker 1: we are taking a fundamental right that has been in 226 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:14,200 Speaker 1: place for damn near fifty years away. And to Sonia 227 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:22,400 Speaker 1: Sotomayor's point is that this body, the Supreme Court, has 228 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:26,879 Speaker 1: never actively worked to take away individual rights. It has 229 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:29,960 Speaker 1: always been about expanding rights. To those that have been 230 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 1: left out. But since we've had Chief Justice Roberts, who 231 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:41,919 Speaker 1: began this crusade against civil liberties with the gutting of 232 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:46,639 Speaker 1: the Civil Rights Act, I keep saying to people that 233 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:51,560 Speaker 1: they're not going to stop here. They're going to come 234 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:57,200 Speaker 1: for contraception. Every single thing that we think has been 235 00:17:57,280 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 1: codified by law is up for grabs. That includes marriage equality, 236 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 1: that includes Brown versus the Board of Education, and fuck 237 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:11,800 Speaker 1: it could include plessy because if you remember, in that 238 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 1: bitch Amy Covid Barrett's confirmation, she said that Brown versus 239 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:19,720 Speaker 1: the Board of Education was not settled law. Let that 240 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:28,640 Speaker 1: sink in. They want, dear friends, they want a war, 241 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:33,480 Speaker 1: and I cannot tell you that that is not where 242 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:39,200 Speaker 1: we are headed. I cannot believe in my heart that 243 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 1: we are going to be able to resolve these enormous 244 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 1: problems that we have in this country by policy, because 245 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:53,480 Speaker 1: we can't get basic shit passed, right, Like, we just 246 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 1: voted to keep funding the government kick that can down 247 00:18:57,560 --> 00:19:02,359 Speaker 1: the road until February eighteen. So if we can't get 248 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:06,200 Speaker 1: basic shit done, do you think that people are going 249 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 1: to continue to have faith in these institutions that we 250 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 1: tell you to vote for because let me remind you again, 251 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 1: this is what it looks like when Democrats have won. 252 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 1: We have the House, the Senate, and the Presidency, and 253 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:28,359 Speaker 1: all of this is happening right now. You want to 254 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 1: talk about a stench. We're never going to rid ourselves 255 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 1: of the odor of Trump and Trumpism, not for generations. 256 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:42,840 Speaker 1: Your children's children will be still feeling the effects of that. 257 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:46,200 Speaker 1: You know why, because three of those motherfuckers are sitting 258 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:49,440 Speaker 1: on the Supreme Court appointed by Trump, and over three 259 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:53,440 Speaker 1: hundred of them are sitting on federal courts around this country. 260 00:19:55,080 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 1: They are setting up Apartheide in America. And the question 261 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:05,359 Speaker 1: that we have to ask ourselves, particularly the majority, which 262 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:08,600 Speaker 1: is over fifty percent of women, need to ask themselves 263 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 1: is are we just going to sit back and take it? 264 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:17,400 Speaker 1: Coming up next is my conversation with our friend Danielle Campamore, 265 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 1: who is now very newly minted writer for the Today Show. Folks, 266 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 1: I'm always excited when I get to welcome back my 267 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 1: friend and just warrior, warrior for abortion rights, Danielle Campamore, 268 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 1: who is newly minted as a reporter at Today. First 269 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:45,879 Speaker 1: of all, congratulations Danielle on the new position very excited 270 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 1: to have your voice in a very mainstream type of 271 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:53,359 Speaker 1: space because the things that you have been writing, tweeting 272 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 1: for the years that I that I've known you at 273 00:20:57,320 --> 00:21:00,119 Speaker 1: this point are so critical, and I feel like you 274 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:04,200 Speaker 1: have been raising the alarm on what would happen if 275 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:07,760 Speaker 1: Rob Wade fell, On what it would look like in 276 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:12,560 Speaker 1: this country if we no longer had access to abortion. 277 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 1: We are here now. The opening arguments took place at 278 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court earlier this month. We had listened to 279 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:29,960 Speaker 1: some of the initial thoughts of Amy Coney, Barrett, of 280 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:34,680 Speaker 1: Brett Kavanaugh, these people who we knew right where they 281 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:38,719 Speaker 1: were going to land on Rob Wade. I want to 282 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:42,639 Speaker 1: get your initial reactions, and then I want you to 283 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:46,959 Speaker 1: walk us through paint the picture of Gilead that we 284 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 1: are about to be living in right absolutely. First, thank 285 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:53,960 Speaker 1: you so much for being here. It's always a joy 286 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:58,080 Speaker 1: to speak with you, especially about something so important. My 287 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:02,119 Speaker 1: initial reaction. I spent the day just speaking with abortion advocates, 288 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:05,439 Speaker 1: primarily mothers, as the majority of people who have abortions 289 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:07,280 Speaker 1: already have at least one child at home and know 290 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:09,639 Speaker 1: what it's like to give birth and or parent or both, 291 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:12,440 Speaker 1: and so That's how I spent my day because it's 292 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 1: very difficult, I think, for anyone in any situation to 293 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:19,120 Speaker 1: try and pretend and go about a normal work day 294 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:25,199 Speaker 1: while their constitutional right is being debated. And so I 295 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:28,920 Speaker 1: really focused on who this is going to impact most, 296 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:34,119 Speaker 1: which are mothers, primarily black, brown, and poor mothers. And 297 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:36,640 Speaker 1: they were very clear with me. They took their babies 298 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:39,639 Speaker 1: to rallies. They were there to make their voices heard. 299 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:42,680 Speaker 1: It was a family affair. They were going with their husbands, 300 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:45,760 Speaker 1: with their partners, with their children because they know that 301 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 1: this will continue now, this is their children's fight, probably 302 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 1: their children's children's fight, and so it was really just 303 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:57,920 Speaker 1: a day of immense community and family time to rally 304 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 1: together as they prepare for the fight to come. You know, 305 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:08,399 Speaker 1: it just I find it just so heartbreaking, right, you know, 306 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 1: and since our last conversation where you use the term 307 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:15,240 Speaker 1: that I had never heard before, but I've been using 308 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:20,840 Speaker 1: it since Danielle, which is forced birth right. And I 309 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:25,199 Speaker 1: want to go to Amy Covid Barrett, which is what 310 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:28,640 Speaker 1: I refer to her as on the show. I want 311 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 1: to go to her remarks, right, so this justice says 312 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:38,640 Speaker 1: that there should be no problem right. That essentially Roe 313 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:44,159 Speaker 1: and Casey are moot because we have safe haven laws 314 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 1: where and you know, for the audience, safe haven laws 315 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:52,440 Speaker 1: essentially allow you to be able to drop off right 316 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:57,720 Speaker 1: a baby, no questions asked, at a church, at a 317 00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:07,639 Speaker 1: community center, at different locations. And basically this Justice Barrett's responses, No, 318 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:11,879 Speaker 1: you go through the nine months of pregnancy. It doesn't 319 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:14,719 Speaker 1: matter what kind of economic hardship that that may cost you. 320 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:18,520 Speaker 1: It doesn't matter what health concerns that may arise, It 321 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:23,719 Speaker 1: doesn't matter you're emotional right well being in state that 322 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 1: you should. What is nine months right? What's the problem here? 323 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:32,160 Speaker 1: Could you imagine? I mean, what was your reaction to her? 324 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:37,000 Speaker 1: My reaction was the same as the reaction to the 325 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:43,479 Speaker 1: lawyer who was representing and arguing against the ban, and 326 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 1: that is that. Again, her argument was that you can't 327 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:49,879 Speaker 1: really say that you're forcing people into parenthood because they 328 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:52,360 Speaker 1: can essentially just give up their parential rights as soon 329 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:58,960 Speaker 1: as they're done giving birth. But abortion care is fourteen 330 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:02,480 Speaker 1: times safer than giving childbirth in this country alone. It 331 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:06,679 Speaker 1: is seventy five times saver in the state of Mississippi, 332 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:11,480 Speaker 1: particularly because Mississippi has such bad maternal mortality rates and 333 00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:17,680 Speaker 1: infant mortality rates for that. In addition, so the idea 334 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:22,600 Speaker 1: that there is no harm to the pregnant person, that 335 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:29,240 Speaker 1: pregnancy is safe, that it doesn't alter forever your mind 336 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:35,040 Speaker 1: and your body. It's it's not an argument made in 337 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:38,240 Speaker 1: good faith, especially from someone who is a parent herself. 338 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:40,440 Speaker 1: And again, I just go back to what the advocates 339 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:42,800 Speaker 1: were talking about. They know what it's like, and many 340 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:45,720 Speaker 1: of them have had abortions because they know what it's 341 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,119 Speaker 1: like to parent, and the idea of going through pregnancy 342 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 1: and having to care for their previous children, especially if 343 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:54,280 Speaker 1: they had difficult pregnancies, and many do, it's just not 344 00:25:54,840 --> 00:26:03,239 Speaker 1: sustainable and it's a human rights violation. And you know 345 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:06,960 Speaker 1: what we're really talking about here is the government essentially 346 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:12,320 Speaker 1: telling people when they must be forced to either begin 347 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:16,120 Speaker 1: or in most cases, expand their families. It's the government 348 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 1: telling parents, mothers, primarily that they need to have more children. 349 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:25,000 Speaker 1: And I can't think of anything I think very many 350 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:30,680 Speaker 1: few people can of anything more unfathomable and cruel than 351 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:36,200 Speaker 1: telling parents, especially now you know financial situations. There's no 352 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:39,879 Speaker 1: mandatory paid family leave in this country, there's no affordable childcare. 353 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:44,800 Speaker 1: Telling parents that are already under difficult circumstances and situations 354 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:47,440 Speaker 1: that they have to expand their families against their will, 355 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:52,520 Speaker 1: and that the government can do that is again the 356 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:57,280 Speaker 1: cruelty is it's astonishing, you know, it's also astonishing too 357 00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:02,800 Speaker 1: for her to make such a callous statement about dropping 358 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:09,359 Speaker 1: off a baby and saying that as if pointing to 359 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:13,400 Speaker 1: our adoption and foster care system and saying, look, isn't 360 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:17,119 Speaker 1: this shining example of how good things can be for kids? 361 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:22,199 Speaker 1: It's not right, like you have foster care and adoption 362 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:27,160 Speaker 1: advocates out there talking about this that broken system right 363 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:30,440 Speaker 1: on top of our broken criminal justice system and our 364 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:33,360 Speaker 1: crumbling healthcare system and all of these things. And so 365 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:38,800 Speaker 1: to me, what it was also ironic and just fucking 366 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:46,280 Speaker 1: mind blowing was the GOP's twitter handle tweeting out that 367 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:50,679 Speaker 1: we will always protect the sanctity of life. And I'm saying, 368 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,959 Speaker 1: you will protect the sanctity of a collection of cells, 369 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:57,920 Speaker 1: because you sure as hell don't care about anybody's life 370 00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:01,320 Speaker 1: or a livelihood. Because if you did, then if you 371 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:04,439 Speaker 1: were the party of family values, then why wouldn't you 372 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,280 Speaker 1: be the party of parental leave? Why wouldn't you be 373 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:10,880 Speaker 1: the party of childcare. Right, Why wouldn't you be the 374 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:16,440 Speaker 1: party of stronger public education and community development and all 375 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:20,439 Speaker 1: of these things if in fact you are pro life 376 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:24,720 Speaker 1: when to your point, it is forced birth. And I'm 377 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:28,800 Speaker 1: you know, I'm really angry. I'm angry as a woman, 378 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:33,080 Speaker 1: I'm angry as a progressive. I'm angry, you know, as 379 00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:36,720 Speaker 1: a person that believes that this country is in such 380 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 1: a dangerous dark place where I do not think that 381 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:45,320 Speaker 1: we understand, right. I don't even think that those that 382 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:50,280 Speaker 1: are pressing for this overreach, right, I don't even think 383 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:54,720 Speaker 1: that they understand what is coming. And so Dani out 384 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:59,840 Speaker 1: walk us through. Paint the picture of what a post 385 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:06,280 Speaker 1: row a miracle will look like, right. I mean I 386 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:08,360 Speaker 1: only know what it will look like because of my reporting, 387 00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:10,959 Speaker 1: which is to say that a post row already exists 388 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,960 Speaker 1: in this country, in particular states that have done everything 389 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,840 Speaker 1: to whittle away access to abortion care and which have 390 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:22,160 Speaker 1: made ROW existing name only especially for black women, LGBTQ people, 391 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:25,480 Speaker 1: poor people, and young people. And so it looks like 392 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,719 Speaker 1: what abortion access looks like right now in Texas, what 393 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,840 Speaker 1: it looks like in Mississippi, what it looks like in Louisiana, 394 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,080 Speaker 1: What it looks like in South Dakota and North Dakota, 395 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:37,360 Speaker 1: the states that only have one abortion clinic available to them, 396 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:40,680 Speaker 1: it's a lot of relying on community fund workers, on 397 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:44,640 Speaker 1: abortion funds that have been established at the grassroots level, 398 00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:49,600 Speaker 1: primarily by black and brown women. It's about communities coming 399 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:54,360 Speaker 1: together to help people pay, to provide travel, to provide childcare, 400 00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:57,800 Speaker 1: and it's about those systems already in place. It also 401 00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:01,200 Speaker 1: looks like medication abortion, which is something wasn't available prior 402 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,240 Speaker 1: to Rob Wade, and it's something that a lot of 403 00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:07,160 Speaker 1: advocates are trying to kind of make people aware of. 404 00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:11,800 Speaker 1: Is the rhetoric of an illegal abortion is automatically an 405 00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:15,840 Speaker 1: unsafe abortion is not true. Via the science, medication abortion 406 00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:18,840 Speaker 1: is extremely safe. There are oral pills that you can 407 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,560 Speaker 1: take from the safety of your home. Studies have shown 408 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,320 Speaker 1: that they're safe without the purview of a medical professional, 409 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:26,360 Speaker 1: that you can take them by yourself and self manage 410 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,320 Speaker 1: your abortion. The problem there is the legal issues, and 411 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:32,600 Speaker 1: we've seen that born out four years in this very 412 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:37,240 Speaker 1: country where primarily black and brown women are being incarcerated 413 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:41,840 Speaker 1: often for their miscarriages because people are convinced that they've 414 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:45,080 Speaker 1: self managed their abortions at home. So that's what a 415 00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:48,800 Speaker 1: post role will look like. It will look like a 416 00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:52,480 Speaker 1: lot of community organizing that has existed in this country already, 417 00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:57,040 Speaker 1: a lot of reliance on funds and on independent abortion clinics, 418 00:30:57,760 --> 00:30:59,080 Speaker 1: and then it's going to look like a lot of 419 00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:02,760 Speaker 1: incarcerated women, especially black and brown women, for what people 420 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,440 Speaker 1: are going to perceive to be abortions but could very 421 00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:11,120 Speaker 1: well be miscarriages. You know, um, former president of Planned Parenthood, 422 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:16,840 Speaker 1: Cecil Richards, has been making the rounds again on cable news, 423 00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:22,840 Speaker 1: and you know, she also, not unlike you, has dedicated 424 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:28,640 Speaker 1: her career and life to the advocacy for reproductive freedom. 425 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:32,840 Speaker 1: And she said that she believes that this is going 426 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:38,720 Speaker 1: to be an igniter like the GOP has never seen before. 427 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,400 Speaker 1: That you know, women make up over fifty percent of 428 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:47,720 Speaker 1: the population here, and then if we include of course 429 00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:51,400 Speaker 1: trans people, queer people, right, we're not just talking about 430 00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:56,440 Speaker 1: women people with uteruses. Do you believe that this is 431 00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:59,880 Speaker 1: going to be an igniter? You know, because and I 432 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:05,640 Speaker 1: asked that, because it is the complacency on a lot 433 00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:11,520 Speaker 1: of powerful people's, you know, part that we have arrived here. 434 00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:16,520 Speaker 1: It is you know, the the negligence, I will say 435 00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:19,960 Speaker 1: of the Obama administration not to push back against Mitch 436 00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:24,200 Speaker 1: McConnell holding a Supreme Court seat hostage. It is, you know, 437 00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:29,760 Speaker 1: the t the tepidness of the Democratic Party not acting 438 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:35,400 Speaker 1: on behalf of reproductive freedom and codifying it right in 439 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,440 Speaker 1: a way that we are seeing that you can steal 440 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:42,400 Speaker 1: Supreme Court seats, you can push in, you know, Supreme 441 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:46,880 Speaker 1: Court justices. You can stack this chord right and rearrange 442 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:51,080 Speaker 1: our society and turn you know, this culture war into 443 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:54,160 Speaker 1: a civil war. So you know, I say all of 444 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:58,600 Speaker 1: that to say, you know, is this the great igniter right? 445 00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:03,440 Speaker 1: Because I thought that the election of a racist, narcissist, misogynistic, 446 00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:07,920 Speaker 1: homophobic pig would have been the great igniter right? So 447 00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:11,480 Speaker 1: what what where do you fall on that? Well? I 448 00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:14,960 Speaker 1: think I think a better question would be who are 449 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:19,120 Speaker 1: we talking about when we talk about igniting? Because you know, 450 00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:25,520 Speaker 1: the previous president didn't ignite more women to vote for Democrats. 451 00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:29,120 Speaker 1: More white women voted for him in the twenty twenty election. So, 452 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:32,960 Speaker 1: m who are we really talking about? I think is important. 453 00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:38,560 Speaker 1: You know, black and brown women have been the base 454 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,360 Speaker 1: for the Democratic Party. In my reporting, I can tell 455 00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:43,200 Speaker 1: you that so many of them, the ones that are 456 00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:45,800 Speaker 1: at those rallies, who've been sound in the alarm about 457 00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:49,040 Speaker 1: the attacks on row for decades, are very upset at 458 00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:54,520 Speaker 1: the complacency of the Democrats. You know, they have been 459 00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:58,000 Speaker 1: sending a message to voters that if you vote for them, 460 00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:02,040 Speaker 1: they'll protect access to a board rights, they'll protect reproductive justice, 461 00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:05,800 Speaker 1: they'll expand paid family leave, and then we see that 462 00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:12,960 Speaker 1: those promises aren't coming to fruition, and so what are 463 00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:16,120 Speaker 1: people going to be voting for the same empty promises 464 00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:19,400 Speaker 1: in another three years. That's how a lot of people 465 00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:21,160 Speaker 1: are feeling, and we see that born out in the 466 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:24,840 Speaker 1: polling as well, especially among young people. This president, President 467 00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:27,640 Speaker 1: Biden started with a much higher approval rate, and now 468 00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:29,920 Speaker 1: we see that there's things being left on the sideline, 469 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:33,400 Speaker 1: that there's promises that aren't being kept, and the people 470 00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:36,200 Speaker 1: that as impacting the most people who can get pregnant 471 00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:42,440 Speaker 1: in this country, parents, mothers are bearing the brunt of it. 472 00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:44,440 Speaker 1: And I think it's been very difficult for so many 473 00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:51,040 Speaker 1: abortion advocates, for anyone who feels at a loss in 474 00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:54,160 Speaker 1: this moment, to see it being talked about as the 475 00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:58,040 Speaker 1: political football of what will happen politically for undance to 476 00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:02,600 Speaker 1: be strategizing when twenty states are ready to ban abortion 477 00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,080 Speaker 1: outright as soon as raw falls, and that's going to 478 00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:07,880 Speaker 1: impact millions on millions of people and their families and 479 00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:12,160 Speaker 1: their communities. This is not about political strategy for people, 480 00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:15,440 Speaker 1: It is about their lives and the livelihoods of their families. 481 00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:19,000 Speaker 1: I just think that we are so lost, Daniel. I 482 00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:23,560 Speaker 1: think that we have just so in this we have 483 00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:28,920 Speaker 1: turned politics into a sporting gain and to reality TV, 484 00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:34,520 Speaker 1: and in doing so, have really disassociated ourselves from the 485 00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:39,239 Speaker 1: impact of these policies, of the impact of what of 486 00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:44,040 Speaker 1: what it would mean. And again going back to this 487 00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:47,600 Speaker 1: party that wanted to be referred to as the family 488 00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:50,359 Speaker 1: Party and the pro life party and all these things 489 00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:54,560 Speaker 1: and the fiscally responsible, Well, what does it mean if 490 00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:59,759 Speaker 1: women are shackled to their homes and can't participate in 491 00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:04,480 Speaker 1: the economy anymore? Right? Like, what does like in their mind, 492 00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:06,160 Speaker 1: you know, one of the things that I've said, and 493 00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:09,320 Speaker 1: I want your thoughts. I feel like in their mind 494 00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:11,920 Speaker 1: they're like, oh, well, this is how we reverse to 495 00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:16,640 Speaker 1: the nineteen early nineteen fifties, where you know, the sole 496 00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:20,120 Speaker 1: responsibility will fall on men and white men who feel 497 00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:24,680 Speaker 1: like they are being displaced right in this country will 498 00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:30,600 Speaker 1: then be back in front because everyone else is forced 499 00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:34,000 Speaker 1: into the kitchen or into the fields. Right. Because I 500 00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:39,120 Speaker 1: have been saying for the past week that everything, everything 501 00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:42,600 Speaker 1: that you believe is codified into law, is now up 502 00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:48,440 Speaker 1: for grabs. Everything if a fifty year old law can fall, right, Um, 503 00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:52,839 Speaker 1: what do you think is the is the mind here 504 00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:57,440 Speaker 1: the mindset of what the ripple effect will be? I 505 00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:02,760 Speaker 1: think bors out and reporting. Two, we know that abortion 506 00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:05,879 Speaker 1: is not a hotly debated topic the way in which 507 00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:08,920 Speaker 1: it is framed by politicians and media. The majority of 508 00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:11,640 Speaker 1: people in this country believe in access to abortion care. 509 00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:16,319 Speaker 1: Republicans don't want to see Roe fall, and I don't 510 00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:19,839 Speaker 1: really believe in truth Republican leaders do. We see time 511 00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:21,520 Speaker 1: and time again that there are instances in which their 512 00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:24,919 Speaker 1: own family members access abortion care, their mistresses access abortion care. 513 00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:30,040 Speaker 1: I think that really again, it's been treated, and has 514 00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:34,320 Speaker 1: been since the seventies as a political football. Is something 515 00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:37,680 Speaker 1: that can ignite a base and bring people to the polls. 516 00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:42,719 Speaker 1: For Republicans, if they can secure a vote from evangelical 517 00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:46,160 Speaker 1: white Christians, that will help them win. And we saw 518 00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:49,760 Speaker 1: that born out with the previous president and his change 519 00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:53,200 Speaker 1: in stance from pro choice to anti choice in order 520 00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:55,840 Speaker 1: to drum up a base that believes the same. So 521 00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:58,280 Speaker 1: I don't think that there is much thought in terms 522 00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:04,520 Speaker 1: of what this will do econom comically to businesses, to families, 523 00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:08,280 Speaker 1: to communities. I think it's seen as a political strategy 524 00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:12,600 Speaker 1: in a way to remain in power. And that's what's 525 00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:15,720 Speaker 1: so upsetting again to me in general and as a reporter, 526 00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:17,840 Speaker 1: the way in which it's framed and the way in 527 00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:21,719 Speaker 1: which media often regurgitates those talking points of this being 528 00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:25,480 Speaker 1: a contentious issue when again, the majority of Americans support 529 00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:31,839 Speaker 1: access to abortion care. When we regurgitate words often used 530 00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:37,640 Speaker 1: by anti choice politicians and strategists like heartbeat band when 531 00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:39,799 Speaker 1: there is no such thing as a fetal heartbeat at 532 00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:42,400 Speaker 1: six weeks gestation, because there's no fetus. Those kinds of 533 00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:47,759 Speaker 1: situations has made it easier for the Republican Party to 534 00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:50,480 Speaker 1: maintain power, to continue to use this as a political 535 00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:53,959 Speaker 1: football to drum up a base because it does work. 536 00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:57,560 Speaker 1: We see at work every four years, every two years 537 00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:01,960 Speaker 1: in the midterms. It works, and it's working for them now, 538 00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:08,160 Speaker 1: you know, I constantly talk about the importance of framing, 539 00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:13,040 Speaker 1: the importance of language, who is telling the story and 540 00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:18,040 Speaker 1: your RFE you know, we constantly and it's through what 541 00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:23,640 Speaker 1: it's through the desire for increased ratings, which is increased money. Right, 542 00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:26,799 Speaker 1: And when you look at all everything, everything, I keep 543 00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:31,320 Speaker 1: saying to everybody, just follow the money, right, like who 544 00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:35,359 Speaker 1: gets to capitalize off of this cruelty? And then that 545 00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:40,239 Speaker 1: will tell you who, you know, who is responsible for 546 00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:44,000 Speaker 1: this happening. And you know, one of the things that 547 00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:55,000 Speaker 1: really stood out for me was justice. So to MYRSU statement, 548 00:39:56,120 --> 00:40:02,239 Speaker 1: and you know it, I can't imagine what it is 549 00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:05,160 Speaker 1: like for her and other people who actually believe in 550 00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:08,440 Speaker 1: the rule of law, who are qualified to be in 551 00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:12,000 Speaker 1: the position that they are, to sit there and know 552 00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:17,320 Speaker 1: that they six to three. There's just there's no power anymore. 553 00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:23,560 Speaker 1: But she said, will this institution survive the stench that 554 00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:27,680 Speaker 1: this creates in the public perception that the Constitution and 555 00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:31,680 Speaker 1: its readings are just political acts. I don't see how 556 00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:38,120 Speaker 1: it is possible. Do you think that this stench will 557 00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:41,760 Speaker 1: ever be alleviated in America? And what do you think 558 00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:46,319 Speaker 1: its effects are on our ability to go around the 559 00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:53,120 Speaker 1: world to dictate to people how they treat women and girls. Well, 560 00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:55,200 Speaker 1: I can tell you in speaking with you know, the 561 00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:57,840 Speaker 1: advocates and for the people who have had abortions and 562 00:40:57,880 --> 00:40:59,880 Speaker 1: who this impacts the most, I can say that no. 563 00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:02,200 Speaker 1: But I could have told you that before the hearings 564 00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:05,120 Speaker 1: on December first as well. I think that so many 565 00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:08,120 Speaker 1: people have seen what happened to the Supreme Court nominee 566 00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:11,760 Speaker 1: is in years past, what happened with Kavanaugh, what happened 567 00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:14,160 Speaker 1: with Dorsage, and so I think that a lot of 568 00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:17,120 Speaker 1: people didn't have faith Already. Again, we saw President promise 569 00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:20,600 Speaker 1: to come into office to share up Rovy way to 570 00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:23,040 Speaker 1: expand access, that he was going to fight for people 571 00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,920 Speaker 1: who had abortions, and then his administration didn't say the 572 00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:28,759 Speaker 1: word abortion for the first six months. And so again 573 00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:31,160 Speaker 1: I think a lot of advocates, the people who wanted 574 00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:36,160 Speaker 1: to believe that this more moderate Democrat was going to 575 00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:40,080 Speaker 1: do something, didn't believe that before. They don't think that 576 00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:42,840 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court is going to do what it is 577 00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:47,200 Speaker 1: supposed to do. They don't believe that Senators, congressmen and 578 00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:49,080 Speaker 1: women are going to do things that they're supposed to 579 00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:51,480 Speaker 1: do they promised to because they haven't seen that born out, 580 00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:54,640 Speaker 1: and so no, I don't believe that it will. And 581 00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:57,280 Speaker 1: I think that's why we're going to continue to see 582 00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:03,680 Speaker 1: communities really alley and rely on themselves and become self 583 00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:06,799 Speaker 1: sustaining in certain ways when it comes to access to 584 00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:09,680 Speaker 1: abortion and other healthcare. I see this happy to trans 585 00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:13,280 Speaker 1: youth as well, see this happy you know, to post 586 00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:16,759 Speaker 1: partum care in the absence of paid family leave. I 587 00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:20,960 Speaker 1: see this happening with mental healthcare as well. Is we're 588 00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:22,799 Speaker 1: going to have to rely on each other and rely 589 00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:25,960 Speaker 1: on the systems that are already in place by grassroots organizers. 590 00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:28,759 Speaker 1: And that's where again that the fear will then be 591 00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:32,000 Speaker 1: what are the legal ramifications of that and what is 592 00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,439 Speaker 1: that going to look like for the incarceration of black 593 00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:37,320 Speaker 1: and brown men and women, which is already at a 594 00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:41,239 Speaker 1: higher and disproportionate rate. And so that's I think just 595 00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:44,520 Speaker 1: where we stand, there's going to be less reliance and 596 00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:47,319 Speaker 1: belief in the institutions that I've promised one thing and 597 00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:50,799 Speaker 1: delivered another, and more reliance on each other that could 598 00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:56,719 Speaker 1: potentially have legal ramifications moving forward for those people. And 599 00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:58,640 Speaker 1: I am one of them, and there are many of 600 00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:03,600 Speaker 1: them that do, in fact feel extraordinarily helpless in this 601 00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:09,880 Speaker 1: moment and hopeless in this moment. Can you offer any 602 00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:13,839 Speaker 1: thoughts about what they can do to feel like they 603 00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:19,000 Speaker 1: are helping the cause? That isn't just about marching and protesting, 604 00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:22,640 Speaker 1: even though I believe that to be important, but what 605 00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:27,440 Speaker 1: they can do to kind of get active and activate absolutely. 606 00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:30,120 Speaker 1: I mean I asked this of every woman that I 607 00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:32,960 Speaker 1: interviewed from my recent piece on Today who were going 608 00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:36,280 Speaker 1: to rallies, like how were they staying positive? They all shared, 609 00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:38,319 Speaker 1: you know, the viewpoint of we know how this is 610 00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:39,680 Speaker 1: going to end. We think we know how this is 611 00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:43,400 Speaker 1: going to end. We're preparing ourselves, preparing our families. So 612 00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:45,400 Speaker 1: I asked them, how are you staying hopeful in this moment? 613 00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:47,680 Speaker 1: And they offered a slew of things that I think 614 00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:51,000 Speaker 1: are really beneficial to anyone who feels the same. Is 615 00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:56,080 Speaker 1: one to donate to a local abortion fund in your state, 616 00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:59,240 Speaker 1: It doesn't matter which state you are in. I think 617 00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:02,440 Speaker 1: prior to to perhaps a few months ago, there was 618 00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:06,760 Speaker 1: this belief that if there was abortion attacks on abortion 619 00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:09,319 Speaker 1: access in certain states, your state would be fine. That's 620 00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:12,800 Speaker 1: clearly not the case. Now twenty states could lose access 621 00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:15,960 Speaker 1: to abortion care, which means that those patients are going 622 00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:17,840 Speaker 1: to have to go to other states, and other states 623 00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:20,640 Speaker 1: will be overwhelmed, so all funds in any state are 624 00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:24,439 Speaker 1: going to need and require assistance. The moms also said 625 00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:27,640 Speaker 1: to uplift and listen to people who've had abortions, listening 626 00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:30,000 Speaker 1: to their stories. I get in touch with people that 627 00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:34,280 Speaker 1: we Testify for example, which is a nonprofit that supports 628 00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:38,719 Speaker 1: abortion storytellers and abortion advocates. Uplift their stories, share them 629 00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:42,320 Speaker 1: if you feel safe, share your own while you aren't 630 00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:46,160 Speaker 1: owed your story to anyone, and it is yours to 631 00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:48,279 Speaker 1: share when you're ready if you do feel safe. That 632 00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:52,279 Speaker 1: is also a way to combat stigma. And then what 633 00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:56,719 Speaker 1: was really uplifting for me was to look at the 634 00:44:56,800 --> 00:45:00,480 Speaker 1: moms and their kids, and I think that this is 635 00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:06,040 Speaker 1: very overwhelming for so many people. The next generation is 636 00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:09,560 Speaker 1: so involved and from very young ages, and they understand it, 637 00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:13,160 Speaker 1: and we're seeing that in these demonstrations and the ways 638 00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:17,800 Speaker 1: in which these moms are raising future advocates. And so 639 00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:22,320 Speaker 1: there's laws. Obviously, ask anyone who has been sounding the alarm, 640 00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:25,040 Speaker 1: It's always been highs and lows, and this is a 641 00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:27,319 Speaker 1: low for sure for so many people. But I do 642 00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:30,319 Speaker 1: believe that looking at the generations and the ways in 643 00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:34,200 Speaker 1: which people are speaking about abortion within their own family 644 00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:36,880 Speaker 1: members is also a really great way to look at 645 00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:40,279 Speaker 1: how you know, this is far from over for advocates, 646 00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:45,759 Speaker 1: and this is a moment in which I think we're 647 00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:50,200 Speaker 1: going to see how much people have built, how much 648 00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:56,040 Speaker 1: we've already learned from past attacks on abortion, especially at 649 00:45:56,080 --> 00:46:00,759 Speaker 1: the state level, and advocates while they are disheartened or 650 00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:04,160 Speaker 1: definitely not deterred, and so I think that people can 651 00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:08,040 Speaker 1: find some hope in knowing that this is definitely not 652 00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:12,640 Speaker 1: a way. Danielle, I can't thank you enough for your voice, 653 00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:16,279 Speaker 1: for your work, for your advocacy, for the time that 654 00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:18,839 Speaker 1: you make to spend with us here on woke a 655 00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:22,880 Speaker 1: f and again I am so excited for you and 656 00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:26,120 Speaker 1: wish you the best of luck at today. I think 657 00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:30,000 Speaker 1: today needs you now more than more than ever, and 658 00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:33,320 Speaker 1: we need your voice now more than ever in every 659 00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:36,839 Speaker 1: space that you that you can be in, because I 660 00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:40,560 Speaker 1: think that we have a very very long and rough 661 00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:43,880 Speaker 1: road in front of us, but I feel confident that 662 00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:46,399 Speaker 1: you're one of the warriors that are on that road 663 00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:50,600 Speaker 1: with us. So I appreciate you so very much. Noah, 664 00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:58,000 Speaker 1: thank you, dear friend. I appreciate you too. Folks, I 665 00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:00,799 Speaker 1: have to tell you. I know that I say this 666 00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:03,640 Speaker 1: at the end of a lot of shows, after we 667 00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:08,040 Speaker 1: are talking about heavy shit all of the time. Please 668 00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:13,160 Speaker 1: do take good care of yourselves. I am taking a break, 669 00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:16,000 Speaker 1: as I tell all of you to do. I can't 670 00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:18,160 Speaker 1: continue to tell folks to take a break and then 671 00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:22,000 Speaker 1: don't actually take one for myself. Things have just gotten 672 00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:29,880 Speaker 1: extraordinarily heavy. So do something each day for yourself, whether 673 00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:33,960 Speaker 1: it is meditating, walking, working out, tending to a garden, 674 00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:38,239 Speaker 1: playing with your pets, doing something that brings you joy, 675 00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:41,840 Speaker 1: and making sure that you are doing it consistently. Because 676 00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:46,280 Speaker 1: the weight of what is happening in our society is crushing, 677 00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:50,280 Speaker 1: and if we're not grounding ourselves in something other than misery, 678 00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:53,759 Speaker 1: we will not make it through. That is it for 679 00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:57,480 Speaker 1: me today. Friends on woke app as always power to 680 00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:00,560 Speaker 1: the people and to all the people. Power, Get wope 681 00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:02,120 Speaker 1: and stay woke as fuck.