WEBVTT - I Am All In…Again: Talking Too Much (Season 2 E20 “Help Wanted”)

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<v Speaker 1>I am all in again.

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<v Speaker 2>That's just too.

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<v Speaker 1>Luke Steiner with Scott Patterson an iHeartRadio podcast. Hey, everybody's

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<v Speaker 1>Scott Patterson. I am all on podcasts, one of them productions.

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<v Speaker 1>iHeartRadio Media, iHeart podcast. Very special guest here on our

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<v Speaker 1>episode twenty season two recap. Mister Clay Aiken himself is here.

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<v Speaker 1>He is if you don't know him, and I'm sure

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<v Speaker 1>you do. He's a singer, actor, father, and was the

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<v Speaker 1>runner up in American Idol and Apprentice. His debut album,

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<v Speaker 1>Measure of a Man, went multi platinum. He is a

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<v Speaker 1>huge fan of Gilmore Girls and was referenced in the

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<v Speaker 1>show season four episode eighteen two tick Boom boom. Clay

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<v Speaker 1>and I are going to discuss season two episode twenty

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<v Speaker 1>help one at air date May seventh, two thousand and two. Clay,

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<v Speaker 1>welcome to the show.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, thank you for thank you for having me. There

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<v Speaker 2>was a heck of an introduction. I appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh I cut it short. There's so much more I.

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<v Speaker 2>Am probably I probably don't know barely half of what

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<v Speaker 2>the people who listen know about the show, but obviously

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<v Speaker 2>I recognize its cultural significance and did a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>of honing up a little brushing up on my season

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<v Speaker 2>two episode twenty for today to be able to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's all we're discussing. Yeah, I mean, trust me.

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<v Speaker 1>In the Gilmour fandom, I am pretty much to Novice myself.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh god, but that's saying a lot. They are steeped

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<v Speaker 1>in this show. They know it chapter and verse. Man.

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<v Speaker 1>I just this is just my second go around watching it.

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<v Speaker 3>So, oh, you're going through it.

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<v Speaker 2>So you're going through it right chronologically fell for a

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<v Speaker 2>second time for.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and now when when.

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<v Speaker 2>Was the first time you watched it? What was the

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<v Speaker 2>first run through? It originally aired.

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<v Speaker 1>Four years ago when we started this podcast, I'd never

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<v Speaker 1>seen it.

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<v Speaker 2>So wait, so you didn't watch it when you first

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<v Speaker 2>when it first aired? That is correct, Okay, you're like

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<v Speaker 2>that with everything you do.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean it's growing on me, man. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>it's a great show.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean it's very difficult to when you know

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<v Speaker 2>the people almost as much as you know the more

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<v Speaker 2>than you know the characters, sometimes it probably is very

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<v Speaker 2>difficult to watch.

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<v Speaker 3>That's why I'm not an actor.

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, it was at the time, but you know,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty five years later, twenty years later it's it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>a different person, so you don't Yeah, it's okay to

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<v Speaker 1>watch it now, you know. But anyway, so let's let's

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna kick off with a synopsis. Newcomer Open Stars

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<v Speaker 1>Hollow First Music Store, the one and only Carol King Richard,

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<v Speaker 1>who probably wrote the greatest theme song in the history

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<v Speaker 1>of television. Richard decides to kick off his new business

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<v Speaker 1>by searching for a secretary. Then Laurel I starts to

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<v Speaker 1>help out at the office, and Richard surprisingly wishes she

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<v Speaker 1>would stay. Directed by the great Chris Long written by

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<v Speaker 1>Alan Heinberg. Lukes has closed. He's gone fishing. There's been

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<v Speaker 1>a fight between Luke and Laurel I. Everybody needs to

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<v Speaker 1>cool off. Rory is concerned it's her fault that Luke's

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<v Speaker 1>has closed because of the accident. Rory and Laurel I

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<v Speaker 1>go to the Hungry Diner to eat breakfast. In their

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<v Speaker 1>critical of the menu and coffee cups. We have Patrica

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<v Speaker 1>darbo on a few weeks ago who played the waitress

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<v Speaker 1>in this episode. She was great in this scene. Clay,

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<v Speaker 1>we have never seen lukes Diners closed before. Does this

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<v Speaker 1>show the severity of the fight between him and Laurlei

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<v Speaker 1>and a situation with Jess Well.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it certainly does to Roaring, right she she

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<v Speaker 2>was stressed out about it more than anybody. Yeah, uh yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I think that's probably what the the intention was, right,

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<v Speaker 2>if it's never been closed, you've never been away, that

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<v Speaker 2>that to to really kind of underline that all that

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<v Speaker 2>there's a lot of there's a lot of subtext in

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<v Speaker 2>the show, which is what makes it good. There's a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of like real deep thought into why, and not

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<v Speaker 2>every show does that. Some stuff is you know, just

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<v Speaker 2>very surface, but Gilmore Girls was good at kind of

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<v Speaker 2>making sure that there was always a thread underneath that

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<v Speaker 2>that propelled the story and really made it authentic. So

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<v Speaker 2>probably so having hit, having having Luke leave town, or

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<v Speaker 2>at least leave work close it because it also throws

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<v Speaker 2>it throws a kink in in larealized day and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>kind of messes with their schedule, their routine too. Maybe

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<v Speaker 2>you were I'm sorry, maybe he was thinking of a

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<v Speaker 2>way that he could screw with him a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>and did it on purpose for that reason.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean that's that's the question, right, Did he

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<v Speaker 1>leave town to send a message or or does this

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<v Speaker 1>just mean that he's he's taking this fight very very

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<v Speaker 1>seriously and he needed time to just sort of be

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<v Speaker 1>by himself and convalesce with nature as it were.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you, no one knows him better than you, so

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<v Speaker 2>do you. He doesn't seem like the type of what's

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<v Speaker 2>the word, I can't even think of the word punitive person.

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<v Speaker 2>He's not gonna be punish. I mean, he doesn't seem

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<v Speaker 2>like somebody who's gonna punish Laura. I. So he probably

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<v Speaker 2>just needed a break.

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<v Speaker 1>He needed a break. Yeah, I agree with that.

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<v Speaker 2>He didn't need to see her first thing in the morning.

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<v Speaker 1>He just, you know, I think he's just a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit wounded and he needed to go retreat a little bit,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and think about what he did because he

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<v Speaker 1>you know, he yelled and screamed too. So all right,

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<v Speaker 1>So seems like this is the biggest fight Luke and

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<v Speaker 1>Laurel I have ever gotten into Clay who apologizes first

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<v Speaker 1>in this situation? Who do you think should? Oh?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I gotta.

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<v Speaker 2>I definitely think Laura I should because she annoys me

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<v Speaker 2>all the time. I yes, she kind of She's She's

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<v Speaker 2>an intense personality, so personally, I'm sure I've sided with Luke.

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<v Speaker 3>I have been known to roll my eyes at Laura

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<v Speaker 3>a few times.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what I really thought, this episode is now

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<v Speaker 1>my favorite episode of all of them, Health Wanted, This

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<v Speaker 1>is my favorite episode. Well, you're barely in it, but

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<v Speaker 1>not really right, I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, because it's about there's so much, so much gravity

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<v Speaker 2>weight from your character.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, So I think that's great writing, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>she's never been as funny in an episode, Laura Lauren.

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<v Speaker 1>I think from beginning to end, this was just just

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<v Speaker 1>a comedy masterclass showcase in great writing and great great

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<v Speaker 1>acting and great comedic timing mixed with all that drama stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a perfect use of supporting characters like Sally

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<v Speaker 1>Struthers delivered maybe her funniest speech of all of them,

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<v Speaker 1>and to Rory, perfect use of Lane, perfect use of

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<v Speaker 1>missus Kim even though you want more missus Kim. It was,

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<v Speaker 1>everything was just perfectly balanced. In my opinion, it was

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<v Speaker 1>it is.

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<v Speaker 2>It's definitely one of the funnier, at least more overtly funny.

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<v Speaker 1>I couldn't stop laughing. I was roaring through the whole thing.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it was just like the joke and the

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<v Speaker 1>cops Yeah, it was just so many great one liners,

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<v Speaker 1>just fantastic. All right, So let's talk about the fallout

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<v Speaker 1>from Rory's accident where she fractured her wrist. Dean's coming

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<v Speaker 1>home from his trip, but he doesn't know about the accident.

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<v Speaker 1>Rory gets out of Friday night dinner so she can

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<v Speaker 1>be there to explain when he gets home. She writes

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<v Speaker 1>him a letter explaining everything. Dean reacts.

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<v Speaker 2>We never know exactly what she says in it, but

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<v Speaker 2>right because he doesn't, I mean, he didn't read it

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<v Speaker 2>out loud.

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<v Speaker 3>He just reacts to it.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, we know that she starts it out by saying

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<v Speaker 1>I love you, I love you right right then, but

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<v Speaker 1>then he goes downhill from there. We can only speculate

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<v Speaker 1>what was in the rest of the letter, but it

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<v Speaker 1>was I think it was just her sort of confessing to,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, facts as they happen, because I think she,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, in her fit of honesty, is you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the best thing you can do in that situation. So

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<v Speaker 1>the letter explains everything. He reacts. He keeps saying what

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<v Speaker 1>what what shock? Shock?

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<v Speaker 2>Shock, and ty I mean Rory does does does the

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<v Speaker 2>letter because she just doesn't have it in her to

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<v Speaker 2>say it out loud, because I found it really interesting

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<v Speaker 2>that they chose to to have her write the letter,

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<v Speaker 2>but then give it to him in person and stand

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<v Speaker 2>there while he read it. I just just she didn't

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<v Speaker 2>have the nerve to say the words, so she had

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<v Speaker 2>to speak them. I mean, I would have thought, if

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<v Speaker 2>you're gonna write a letter, you send it to him

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<v Speaker 2>and not have to be there for his response.

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<v Speaker 1>Were you a little worried for her safety at his

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<v Speaker 1>potential reaction because he kicked the bag, which is going

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<v Speaker 1>to scare her, which scared her a little bit because

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<v Speaker 1>she's probably think of what me next? Is he going

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<v Speaker 1>to kick me next? Did you ever fear that she

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<v Speaker 1>was in any kind of do you know? Okay, here's

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<v Speaker 1>a question. You didn't think that? No?

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<v Speaker 2>I did, I mean, just just because now, was that

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<v Speaker 2>was that? We'll see, I don't know the Was it

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<v Speaker 2>an actor choice to kick the bag or no? That

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<v Speaker 2>was written for him to do that, to be to

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<v Speaker 2>be that angry. Was I supposed to be afraid for her?

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<v Speaker 2>I guess because I wasn't.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, yeah, no, I okay, all right?

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<v Speaker 2>But I also think she's a strong enough person that

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<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't. I mean, I think I've never I don't

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<v Speaker 2>see Rory as as.

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<v Speaker 1>Weak or beta, right, but I like the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>this show will go there because it's supposed to be

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<v Speaker 1>a comfort show and family friend, the whole thing. But

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<v Speaker 1>it does get intense. The humor's intense, the sarcasm is biting,

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<v Speaker 1>the feelings are intense. It's like it's it's it's funny, heartfelt.

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<v Speaker 1>But man, it's a serious drama too, right, it could

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<v Speaker 1>stand alone as a serious drama. Oh, I think some

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<v Speaker 1>people confuse it for that.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that that was my honestly, that was my

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<v Speaker 2>reticence to even be interested in it years, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>when it was originally on, because I assumed it's a

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<v Speaker 2>drama about it a mother and a daughter, and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not going to enjoy that at all. But it's the

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<v Speaker 2>humor that it's the humor and the well the pop

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<v Speaker 2>culture report, the fact that it lives in this real

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<v Speaker 2>world where so many other shows don't. But it's the

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<v Speaker 2>humor that kind of makes it a pro suchable and

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<v Speaker 2>palatable to people in a much wider demo than the

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<v Speaker 2>CW normally had.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, right, right, right? Yeah, So Rory talks to Laurala

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<v Speaker 1>about Dean's reaction and then uh, you know, inviting her

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<v Speaker 1>calming down and then just inviting her in for dinner

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<v Speaker 1>because they're standing in front of his house, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>that's a pretty pretty bold gesture to go to his house,

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<v Speaker 1>hand him a letter, standing there face the fire, and

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<v Speaker 1>then get invited in for dinner. It's probably she didn't

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<v Speaker 1>expect that.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you hated him, then, you hated him more than

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<v Speaker 2>than I did in general, because Laura I didn't love

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<v Speaker 2>him either, right, people was he I mean, I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>consider him.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't hate him in the beginning.

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<v Speaker 1>Dean you're talking about You're talking about Dean in the beginning. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't like I didn't like him in the beginning. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't like him. After the scene with Laurel I

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<v Speaker 1>in the house when he says, now it's my turn

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<v Speaker 1>to talk and he, you know, he kind of gives

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<v Speaker 1>her what for and I'm just like aa there again,

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<v Speaker 1>it's because I think she talks too much.

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<v Speaker 3>But you know what, she was the case.

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<v Speaker 2>She obviously carried the show and you can't you can't

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<v Speaker 2>enjoy the show unless you enjoy her.

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<v Speaker 3>But there were about her that made me go.

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<v Speaker 1>Ah, Right, right, right, all right. Then Laurie Rory then

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<v Speaker 1>goes to apologize the tailor for destroying his bench sign

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<v Speaker 1>in the accident, and then be Bett confronts Rory. I

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't say confronts, but sees Rory and runs over to

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<v Speaker 1>her and starts talking about Jess being a dirty little wolf. Great,

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<v Speaker 1>great speech, great Sally Struthers performance, I mean, the best

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<v Speaker 1>comedic actress out there. Really just unbelievable. Yeah, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you think Lauren's good and then you get a Sally

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<v Speaker 1>Strauthers come in there and boom right. Rory now realizes

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<v Speaker 1>everyone in town is solely blaming Jess for the accident,

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<v Speaker 1>and she feels defensive about it. So she's thrown off

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<v Speaker 1>by Dean's reactions. She expected him to yell and scream,

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<v Speaker 1>even break break up with her. What do you think

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<v Speaker 1>of his psychology here is? Did he invite her in

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<v Speaker 1>because he's just too afraid of losing her?

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<v Speaker 3>Probably?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean generally, I think he is constantly me his

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<v Speaker 2>self esteem is not as high as it should be. Probably,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think he's always a little afraid of it.

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<v Speaker 2>But which is ironic because I think she's a little

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<v Speaker 2>afraid of it too. But that you know, at that age,

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<v Speaker 2>that's how everybody feels, right, right, So yeah, I imagine

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<v Speaker 2>that he probably, Yeah, he's probably a little worried about that.

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<v Speaker 2>He also do I mean, I don't think he loves

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<v Speaker 2>that he's not I don't think he loves that he's

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<v Speaker 2>not liked about people. And I think he I think

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<v Speaker 2>he takes time to try to try to. He wants

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<v Speaker 2>to be liked.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes I feel like he's like he's a buy the

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<v Speaker 2>book person like herit he read a book on how

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<v Speaker 2>to how to behave in cer certain situations, and he

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<v Speaker 2>he does it that way. Yeah, I mean I imagine that

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<v Speaker 2>that I see now I'm thinking about these the show

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<v Speaker 2>in ways that I didn't back then, and certain things

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<v Speaker 2>are coming back to my head. But I didn't think

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<v Speaker 2>I don't I didn't think about the psychology of it.

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<v Speaker 2>I saw it as a fun I saw I saw

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<v Speaker 2>a humor in it and the playfulness in it, and

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<v Speaker 2>didn't necessarily always go for the deep psychology of it.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, it's there. Right. Do you think that maybe

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<v Speaker 1>it was on Rory's part a failed attempt to get

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<v Speaker 1>Dean to break up with her. Where are these questions coming?

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<v Speaker 1>From No, I didn't think that at all. No, I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't think that.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't come for a while though, So I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think that she was already there.

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<v Speaker 1>Right right, Okay, all right, So okay, Clay, why do

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<v Speaker 1>you think Rory's being so defensive? You think it's because

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<v Speaker 1>she doesn't want to be looked at like a damaged

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<v Speaker 1>little girl, or because she feels bad for Jess getting

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<v Speaker 1>all the blame.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean, yeah, she's a girl. She's a you know,

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<v Speaker 2>a high school a high schooler who is very you know,

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<v Speaker 2>she's defensive of her friends. And I think that, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>she probably, Yeah, I think she is a I think

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<v Speaker 2>she's I think again, that goes back. That's kind of

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<v Speaker 2>why this show connected so well, because the writers, the

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<v Speaker 2>the showrunner were able to kind of really connect with

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<v Speaker 2>how that demographic thought, you know, how a Tina high

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<v Speaker 2>school girl would think. And yeah, I think she would

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<v Speaker 2>get Listen, I've got a high schooler myself. It's a boy,

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<v Speaker 2>but I you know, I've got a boy. But so

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<v Speaker 2>it's completely different.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's it's.

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<v Speaker 2>Very difficult as a parent to remember what it's like

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<v Speaker 2>how my brain worked when I was that age, and

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<v Speaker 2>there are just a very few shows ever that I

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<v Speaker 2>can think of, where writers have done a good job

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<v Speaker 2>of thinking like high schoolers, like teenagers, like people whose

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<v Speaker 2>frontal lobe has not completely formed yet. Think. And that's

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<v Speaker 2>one thing that the show did brilliantly. And yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>think she gets defensive because she People get defensive when

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<v Speaker 2>they don't when when the reaction is not how they

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<v Speaker 2>expect it to be. Right, you prepare her, you sit

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<v Speaker 2>at home, you think through all the different scenarios, and

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<v Speaker 2>then when you go and actually do whatever you're doing,

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<v Speaker 2>it never works out the way you planned, right, But

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<v Speaker 2>if the scenario doesn't go that way, you you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you jump to I think a defensive The reaction that

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<v Speaker 2>you get from from Dean or from whoever, from the town,

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<v Speaker 2>the town is not what you thought it would be,

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<v Speaker 2>you get defensive. And I think that's probably why she's

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<v Speaker 2>jumped to that defensive standpoint, because it's this is not

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<v Speaker 2>what she thought was going to happen.

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<v Speaker 1>Right. Also, she's appears to me that she's in love

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<v Speaker 1>with them. She loves that kid, she loves Jess, she

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<v Speaker 1>misses it.

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<v Speaker 3>She thinks she does.

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<v Speaker 1>She's well, okay, I'll grant you that she thinks she does,

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<v Speaker 1>but she feels something powerful. There's a connection there, and

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<v Speaker 1>she's concerned about him, you know, and not to jump

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<v Speaker 1>the gun, but I think we felt that quite in

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<v Speaker 1>a quite weighty way. That was actually quite moving in

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<v Speaker 1>the very last scene and something we've never seen before

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<v Speaker 1>scene between Luke and Rory late night at the diner

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<v Speaker 1>drinking a cup of coffee talking about Jess as he okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I know it's not his fault. It was quite touching,

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<v Speaker 1>great piece of writing because it's said everything about how

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<v Speaker 1>they're both concerned about him and how they both maybe

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<v Speaker 1>feel like they failed him, and we're talking about a

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<v Speaker 1>seventeen year old boy's life that is in turmoil, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's kind of it just sort of achieved this tragic

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<v Speaker 1>quality about it at the very last beat of the show,

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<v Speaker 1>which is wow.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it was also a really good opportunity to build

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<v Speaker 2>that character that that relationship between Rory and.

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<v Speaker 1>Mm hmm too, just to Yah to kind of see

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<v Speaker 1>him as a.

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<v Speaker 2>Not a not a paternal figure, but certainly a certainly

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<v Speaker 2>someone she could she could confide in in that way

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<v Speaker 2>and talk about things that she couldn't talk She didn't

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<v Speaker 2>she you know, she wouldn't couldn't talk about that with

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<v Speaker 2>with her mom, right because Laura lies not was far

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<v Speaker 2>more biased.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So to have that that non biased third party

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<v Speaker 2>opinion and the discussion with someone who she respected was

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<v Speaker 2>a was a not just I mean, it was great writing, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>but it was a sort of a important moment for

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<v Speaker 2>the show, in the whole arc in general.

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<v Speaker 1>M h Yeah, and it proved yet again that both

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<v Speaker 1>people can be right and think that each other. I

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<v Speaker 1>think Luke understands how Laurel I feel, but I think

0:19:00.480 --> 0:19:04.840
<v Speaker 1>Laural I feels, you know, angry that Luke didn't protect

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<v Speaker 1>her daughter from Jess, you know, didn't see what kind

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<v Speaker 1>of trouble he could he could stir up. Anyway, interesting

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<v Speaker 1>interesting stuff. Did you think about that?

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<v Speaker 2>How did you go How did you think about it

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<v Speaker 2>going into that, because that was a big moment, it

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<v Speaker 2>was we've done You're obviously not your first scene with her,

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<v Speaker 2>but it was certainly your first, big.

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<v Speaker 3>Big scene with Rory alone.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, So how did that How did you think about

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<v Speaker 2>going into that seeing the you know, the gravity and

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<v Speaker 2>the weight of that conversation.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, we knew, I think that we knew. We felt that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just there, it's in the script, it's in the writing.

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<v Speaker 1>You read it, and you know, right, the trick is

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<v Speaker 1>not to play it. The trick is just to sort

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<v Speaker 1>of feel it and do the lines and not try

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<v Speaker 1>to do too much right from a technical point of view,

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<v Speaker 1>And I love that scene. It's just one of my

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<v Speaker 1>favorite scenes. I really really loved that scene. It was

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<v Speaker 1>very very tender and very very felt, but not too much.

0:20:11.240 --> 0:20:14.160
<v Speaker 1>It's just the situation, this setup is, it's all there

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<v Speaker 1>for you, right, so you just really just have to

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<v Speaker 1>step and say the lines, you know, and I don't know,

0:20:22.680 --> 0:20:25.520
<v Speaker 1>very very very touching, ending, very moving scene.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought it was interesting to me the dynamic between

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<v Speaker 2>Rory and Luke, or at least that not paternal, but

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<v Speaker 2>the connection that they had and how it kind of

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<v Speaker 2>ran parallel to the the different connection, not different, but

0:20:41.640 --> 0:20:43.720
<v Speaker 2>the connection between Laura l and her dad in this

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<v Speaker 2>episode two, because that you know, the fact that he

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<v Speaker 2>was seeing her in a different way than he had

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<v Speaker 2>in a while, and the idea that he, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>he liked that she was, how good he wanted her

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<v Speaker 2>to stay on as his assistant, and that kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 3>I thought it was interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>The it was a in a show that's about moms

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<v Speaker 2>and mom and daughter more than anything. You had two

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<v Speaker 2>story lines in this episode that were very much about

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<v Speaker 2>father and daughter.

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<v Speaker 1>Right yeah. And I think another thing that really encapsulates

0:21:16.359 --> 0:21:20.080
<v Speaker 1>that is, you know, here we have, at the end

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<v Speaker 1>of the episode, the only two people on the planet

0:21:25.800 --> 0:21:31.399
<v Speaker 1>who care about Jess and care about his wellbeing and

0:21:31.480 --> 0:21:34.080
<v Speaker 1>care about his future. That's it. His own mother doesn't

0:21:34.119 --> 0:21:37.560
<v Speaker 1>care about him, laurrel I doesn't care. Everybody hates this

0:21:37.680 --> 0:21:41.119
<v Speaker 1>kid except for Rory. And look and there they are,

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<v Speaker 1>which is also why she's defensive too.

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<v Speaker 2>Just to go back to that, she sees the wounded

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<v Speaker 2>animal and.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, yeah, it's very touching, very very touching. Love that ending.

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<v Speaker 1>Love it all right, So let's get to Richard's new venture,

0:21:58.160 --> 0:22:04.119
<v Speaker 1>his new insurance internettional insurance consulting adventure. He starts a

0:22:04.160 --> 0:22:04.520
<v Speaker 1>new com.

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<v Speaker 2>Scene was also pretty hilarious, having between her and mom

0:22:08.320 --> 0:22:10.760
<v Speaker 2>and you know her mom trying to explain what and

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<v Speaker 2>because no one knows what a consultant does. That's it

0:22:15.160 --> 0:22:17.879
<v Speaker 2>was probably the most accurate scene two.

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<v Speaker 1>And he doesn't know what consult what does he actually do?

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<v Speaker 1>And so he gets in his office and what does

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<v Speaker 1>he do? Consults.

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<v Speaker 2>Obviously, she doesn't know either. She just knows he makes

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<v Speaker 2>money and brings it home.

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<v Speaker 1>Well. His His twenty year secretary, Terry Margie, decides not

0:22:38.480 --> 0:22:42.040
<v Speaker 1>to join Richard's new firm, so he considers not following

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<v Speaker 1>through with the new company.

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<v Speaker 3>She called way lor I call her something Margie? What

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<v Speaker 3>she call her?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh God, now I'm being We're being yelled at by

0:22:52.320 --> 0:22:54.640
<v Speaker 2>people who are listening because they all know exactly what

0:22:54.680 --> 0:22:57.160
<v Speaker 2>she called. When she was younger, she could didn't remember

0:22:57.160 --> 0:22:58.920
<v Speaker 2>who she didn't know who she was. She couldn't remember

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<v Speaker 2>who Marchie was. He'll you know, Oh you mean fat

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<v Speaker 2>Margie or big Margie or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>I think Emily referred to her as rotund. Okay, but anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>Laura I offers the help out while they find Richard's secretary,

0:23:12.960 --> 0:23:15.679
<v Speaker 1>so Richard doesn't have to quit so soon, So Laura

0:23:15.680 --> 0:23:17.560
<v Speaker 1>I says to this. She arrives at the office, it's

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<v Speaker 1>a mess. She helps Richard by supplies organize the office,

0:23:20.480 --> 0:23:25.320
<v Speaker 1>interviews candidates for the new Margie. She's she's impressing her

0:23:25.400 --> 0:23:31.480
<v Speaker 1>dad here with her her. No, how well, Clay retirements

0:23:31.840 --> 0:23:33.840
<v Speaker 1>didn't last very long for Richard can you relate to

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<v Speaker 1>this feeling, if not of not wanting to slow down?

0:23:38.600 --> 0:23:44.400
<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean I'm not that old. Good god, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>getting older, But lord, I know, I do think there's

0:23:47.160 --> 0:23:50.199
<v Speaker 2>certain people who are who are workaholics, and you obviously,

0:23:50.359 --> 0:23:53.760
<v Speaker 2>to be as successful as he has been, he must

0:23:53.840 --> 0:23:58.320
<v Speaker 2>enjoy working, right, So yeah, I mean, it's not a

0:23:58.359 --> 0:24:00.240
<v Speaker 2>surprise that he wants to do something to and he

0:24:00.280 --> 0:24:02.600
<v Speaker 2>needs to stay busy. He also probably you know that

0:24:02.720 --> 0:24:06.280
<v Speaker 2>annoying part. The thing about Laurla that annoys me, she

0:24:06.359 --> 0:24:09.480
<v Speaker 2>gets from her mama, and so I imagine he wants

0:24:09.520 --> 0:24:10.040
<v Speaker 2>to be out of the.

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<v Speaker 1>House, right, all right, So Lurlai steps in to help

0:24:15.840 --> 0:24:19.879
<v Speaker 1>her dad. I find secretary seems very selfless of Laurela,

0:24:19.920 --> 0:24:21.120
<v Speaker 1>and they end up working well.

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<v Speaker 2>Together, especially considering how they treated her, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, not well.

0:24:26.800 --> 0:24:29.960
<v Speaker 2>So so so so for her to be that gracious,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, obviously they they're paying for school, what I mean,

0:24:32.160 --> 0:24:34.560
<v Speaker 2>they're they're no longer estranged.

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<v Speaker 3>But yeah, the.

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<v Speaker 2>It's it's it's nice to see that she is, that

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<v Speaker 2>they're bonding without a required dinner.

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<v Speaker 1>This is really the first time Richard sees his daughter

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<v Speaker 1>as being sort of accomplished and smart and capable and right.

0:24:52.359 --> 0:24:54.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's why I was saying that the father's father

0:24:54.480 --> 0:24:57.920
<v Speaker 2>daughter theme of this episode. It was obviously it wasn't

0:24:57.920 --> 0:25:00.600
<v Speaker 2>that way with with Rory and Luke, but that had

0:25:00.640 --> 0:25:02.800
<v Speaker 2>some of the elements of it, and the father daughter

0:25:02.920 --> 0:25:04.480
<v Speaker 2>theme was strong in this episode.

0:25:04.640 --> 0:25:09.200
<v Speaker 1>Right. It's like daughter appreciation Day for Richard. Right, It's

0:25:09.200 --> 0:25:13.960
<v Speaker 1>like he probably has never felt this way about his daughter.

0:25:14.400 --> 0:25:16.439
<v Speaker 2>Well at least well they've always They always treat her

0:25:16.440 --> 0:25:20.879
<v Speaker 2>like she's stupid and my kid, right, and he's seeing

0:25:20.920 --> 0:25:23.600
<v Speaker 2>her as someone who's able to handle things right, and

0:25:23.680 --> 0:25:25.399
<v Speaker 2>she's like that learning from her.

0:25:25.320 --> 0:25:28.120
<v Speaker 3>In the story when he's yeah.

0:25:27.640 --> 0:25:29.439
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's like, Dad, I run an ind I've been

0:25:29.440 --> 0:25:31.240
<v Speaker 1>doing it for years, you know, I mean I run

0:25:31.280 --> 0:25:35.720
<v Speaker 1>a business. I run a fairly large business. Well, it's

0:25:35.800 --> 0:25:39.359
<v Speaker 1>just it's nice to see those moments with those two together.

0:25:40.800 --> 0:25:46.239
<v Speaker 1>Obviously it brought them closer together. You know, obviously how

0:25:46.320 --> 0:25:51.520
<v Speaker 1>much that sticks around is right, It's going to be temporary, Right,

0:25:51.960 --> 0:25:52.879
<v Speaker 1>Something's gonna happen.

0:25:53.520 --> 0:25:54.639
<v Speaker 3>That's the way life is that.

0:25:54.840 --> 0:26:07.840
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, Stars Hall of Music Store, Sophie's in there,

0:26:07.920 --> 0:26:11.040
<v Speaker 1>the Great Carol King, So Stars Hall is going to

0:26:11.040 --> 0:26:14.400
<v Speaker 1>open up a new music store, and Lane is very,

0:26:14.520 --> 0:26:17.439
<v Speaker 1>very excited Carol King's debut did it. I think she

0:26:17.520 --> 0:26:20.520
<v Speaker 1>did a great job, you know, she she handled the

0:26:20.520 --> 0:26:21.959
<v Speaker 1>comedic moments beautifully.

0:26:22.840 --> 0:26:27.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I didn't realize that she watching this again, this

0:26:27.320 --> 0:26:30.400
<v Speaker 2>episode again. First of all, I don't even think. I'm

0:26:30.480 --> 0:26:32.119
<v Speaker 2>sure I did clock it when I saw her the

0:26:32.160 --> 0:26:34.320
<v Speaker 2>first time. Obviously I know who Carol King is and

0:26:34.400 --> 0:26:36.680
<v Speaker 2>know her what she looks like, but I.

0:26:36.640 --> 0:26:40.879
<v Speaker 3>Didn't clock how funny she was.

0:26:41.480 --> 0:26:42.919
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the first time.

0:26:42.920 --> 0:26:45.160
<v Speaker 2>I mean that second scene when she's trying to close

0:26:45.240 --> 0:26:48.760
<v Speaker 2>up and yeah, her timing's quite good.

0:26:48.800 --> 0:26:51.240
<v Speaker 3>She was believable. There was no acting there.

0:26:52.680 --> 0:26:54.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean it's hard to come in there as

0:26:54.960 --> 0:26:57.960
<v Speaker 1>a non actor, but an artist, right, you know, a

0:26:58.080 --> 0:27:02.920
<v Speaker 1>very high level of artists, so maybe there's some some experience.

0:27:02.920 --> 0:27:05.720
<v Speaker 1>Who knows, but she seemed like she really knew what

0:27:05.720 --> 0:27:07.920
<v Speaker 1>the heck she was doing. Well, she's been in the

0:27:07.960 --> 0:27:11.520
<v Speaker 1>business longer than all of us, been a lot indeed, right,

0:27:11.960 --> 0:27:14.560
<v Speaker 1>she knows what she's doing, right, I mean, jeez, I

0:27:14.880 --> 0:27:18.240
<v Speaker 1>grew up with her. She was she was a big

0:27:18.280 --> 0:27:20.880
<v Speaker 1>star when I was, you know, growing up in the sixties. Seven.

0:27:20.920 --> 0:27:21.680
<v Speaker 3>She's still got more.

0:27:21.920 --> 0:27:23.359
<v Speaker 2>She's I feel like she's I don't know what the

0:27:23.400 --> 0:27:27.080
<v Speaker 2>record is. She's her Her grandson is my guitar player. Actually,

0:27:27.080 --> 0:27:30.359
<v Speaker 2>but so I think you think i'd be a little

0:27:30.359 --> 0:27:32.000
<v Speaker 2>bit more educated on it. But I feel like she's

0:27:32.040 --> 0:27:34.439
<v Speaker 2>had something like one hundred and one hundred and twenty

0:27:35.520 --> 0:27:39.720
<v Speaker 2>hit top ten hits. She's one of the most prolific

0:27:40.080 --> 0:27:43.480
<v Speaker 2>songwriters in American history by far, without question.

0:27:44.240 --> 0:27:44.480
<v Speaker 1>Wow.

0:27:45.040 --> 0:27:46.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean I should look it up and see

0:27:46.840 --> 0:27:47.440
<v Speaker 2>if I can sign it.

0:27:47.520 --> 0:27:51.440
<v Speaker 1>That's a that's a lot. Yeah, she's got a Jackie.

0:27:52.240 --> 0:27:53.959
<v Speaker 1>Can you confirm this number?

0:27:54.320 --> 0:27:57.280
<v Speaker 2>Oh no, you don't believe me. I see what it's Okay,

0:27:57.280 --> 0:28:01.359
<v Speaker 2>I'm checking myself too. Well, I've I've got a highley.

0:28:01.880 --> 0:28:04.840
<v Speaker 2>She co wrote one hundred and eighteen songs that were

0:28:04.840 --> 0:28:07.280
<v Speaker 2>in the top twenty I mean top ten. Oh is

0:28:07.280 --> 0:28:08.719
<v Speaker 2>it one hundred and twenty one hundred and twenty one

0:28:08.760 --> 0:28:11.080
<v Speaker 2>hundred and eighteen class I have that have charted?

0:28:12.080 --> 0:28:13.239
<v Speaker 3>Okay, maybe that's what it was.

0:28:13.640 --> 0:28:13.960
<v Speaker 1>Listen.

0:28:14.000 --> 0:28:17.520
<v Speaker 2>Still, that's very I mean, but we're talking about and

0:28:17.960 --> 0:28:23.720
<v Speaker 2>the ones that she wrote Natural Woman and well, I

0:28:23.760 --> 0:28:26.719
<v Speaker 2>can't even think what they did that whole I mean,

0:28:26.720 --> 0:28:29.480
<v Speaker 2>the whole musical on Broadway Beautiful. It was about her,

0:28:30.160 --> 0:28:32.440
<v Speaker 2>and it's full of her songs. Up on the roof,

0:28:32.520 --> 0:28:35.800
<v Speaker 2>this soul world stocks getting me down up on the roof,

0:28:35.880 --> 0:28:37.800
<v Speaker 2>she wrote, she wrote songs for other people. You got

0:28:37.800 --> 0:28:40.280
<v Speaker 2>a friend for James Taylor. I mean her stuff is

0:28:40.320 --> 0:28:44.760
<v Speaker 2>the cannon, right. So so coming and doing an acting

0:28:44.840 --> 0:28:47.400
<v Speaker 2>role was she didn't need the money.

0:28:49.520 --> 0:28:55.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean really outstanding performance. And you know that's

0:28:55.000 --> 0:28:56.880
<v Speaker 1>tough to do, to come in for a small role

0:28:57.240 --> 0:28:59.520
<v Speaker 1>a scene, you know, a little scene here and there.

0:28:59.480 --> 0:29:02.720
<v Speaker 3>Right with not enough meat, right, you know how to

0:29:02.760 --> 0:29:03.640
<v Speaker 3>do what to do with it.

0:29:04.040 --> 0:29:05.080
<v Speaker 1>But she came back again.

0:29:05.280 --> 0:29:08.600
<v Speaker 2>She's been back a few times, I think she Yeah,

0:29:08.600 --> 0:29:10.640
<v Speaker 2>and she was in the she was in the revival and.

0:29:10.880 --> 0:29:14.760
<v Speaker 1>Yes, yeah, I remember that, Yes she was. She was well,

0:29:14.880 --> 0:29:18.240
<v Speaker 1>you know she she made a deal with Lane, right,

0:29:18.400 --> 0:29:21.600
<v Speaker 1>so she proposed that she practices twice a week at

0:29:21.600 --> 0:29:23.560
<v Speaker 1>the store. In return for working at the store. Lane

0:29:23.560 --> 0:29:27.920
<v Speaker 1>found her longtime passion drumming and the band. We see

0:29:27.960 --> 0:29:29.800
<v Speaker 1>Lane pressure on the drums for the first time. Clayton,

0:29:30.160 --> 0:29:31.600
<v Speaker 1>you remember singing for the first time.

0:29:32.280 --> 0:29:33.200
<v Speaker 3>I don't remember it.

0:29:33.280 --> 0:29:34.640
<v Speaker 2>And my mom said I was doing it when I

0:29:34.640 --> 0:29:38.400
<v Speaker 2>was a kid, when I was eighteen months old. Do

0:29:38.480 --> 0:29:41.360
<v Speaker 2>I remember singing in front of I don't remember singing

0:29:41.400 --> 0:29:45.960
<v Speaker 2>in front of an audience until probably middle school.

0:29:47.160 --> 0:29:48.680
<v Speaker 3>Like that. But I mean, I've been doing it my

0:29:48.720 --> 0:29:51.160
<v Speaker 3>whole life. I don't remember.

0:29:51.200 --> 0:29:53.320
<v Speaker 2>I don't remember discovering it as a passion and the

0:29:53.320 --> 0:29:55.320
<v Speaker 2>way Lane did, all of a sudden out of nowhere,

0:29:55.880 --> 0:29:56.880
<v Speaker 2>pulled out of nowhere.

0:29:57.680 --> 0:30:00.120
<v Speaker 1>And so what was there a moment for you and

0:30:00.160 --> 0:30:04.600
<v Speaker 1>you thought, oh, I'd like to pursue this professional, pursue

0:30:04.600 --> 0:30:05.320
<v Speaker 1>it as a career.

0:30:05.400 --> 0:30:07.800
<v Speaker 2>No, when I when I on the finale of Idol,

0:30:07.840 --> 0:30:10.080
<v Speaker 2>when I was when I was there, I didn't have

0:30:10.120 --> 0:30:12.800
<v Speaker 2>any plans to pursue it as a career until the

0:30:12.920 --> 0:30:17.200
<v Speaker 2>career pursued me. No, I didn't have I guess you know.

0:30:17.520 --> 0:30:20.680
<v Speaker 2>For me, and this is very different than Lane's situation.

0:30:22.120 --> 0:30:24.960
<v Speaker 2>I learned to love it because I discovered I was

0:30:25.040 --> 0:30:27.920
<v Speaker 2>good at it, and I was good at it, so

0:30:27.920 --> 0:30:29.040
<v Speaker 2>I might as well keep doing it.

0:30:29.400 --> 0:30:31.920
<v Speaker 3>Whereas Lane just thinks it looks.

0:30:31.680 --> 0:30:34.400
<v Speaker 2>Fun and so she's gonna she wants to do it well,

0:30:35.520 --> 0:30:38.800
<v Speaker 2>and she's gonna practice and maybe be horrible.

0:30:39.040 --> 0:30:41.240
<v Speaker 1>She didn't she didn't sound like she was too good, right,

0:30:41.320 --> 0:30:44.000
<v Speaker 1>This is so so it was different for me.

0:30:44.080 --> 0:30:46.320
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I think I think it's the kind of

0:30:46.320 --> 0:30:47.720
<v Speaker 2>thing that she's going to grow out of in a

0:30:47.760 --> 0:30:48.320
<v Speaker 2>few weeks.

0:30:48.400 --> 0:30:50.280
<v Speaker 1>I mean, Lane's Lane is.

0:30:52.400 --> 0:30:57.840
<v Speaker 2>Not psychologically developmentally, Lane is a little developmentally young from

0:30:57.880 --> 0:31:01.000
<v Speaker 2>her age. I think, you know, she she provides some

0:31:01.040 --> 0:31:05.160
<v Speaker 2>of that foil to Rory, because Rory can be so mature,

0:31:05.720 --> 0:31:08.320
<v Speaker 2>and Lane just kind of shows us how mature she is,

0:31:08.400 --> 0:31:10.600
<v Speaker 2>because Lane is is not.

0:31:11.360 --> 0:31:13.440
<v Speaker 1>And she's very she's very childlike.

0:31:13.760 --> 0:31:15.840
<v Speaker 2>So she's going to have that sort of she'll grow

0:31:15.880 --> 0:31:19.560
<v Speaker 2>out of it and she'll be into into planes next week,

0:31:19.600 --> 0:31:22.320
<v Speaker 2>and then the week after that she'll be into something else.

0:31:22.360 --> 0:31:29.000
<v Speaker 2>So she exactly exactly, I don't expect her to stick

0:31:29.040 --> 0:31:34.320
<v Speaker 2>with it, and so but I mean that comic relief

0:31:34.320 --> 0:31:36.760
<v Speaker 2>and it's an important I mean, it's an important.

0:31:37.040 --> 0:31:38.240
<v Speaker 3>Building block to the show.

0:31:38.280 --> 0:31:41.640
<v Speaker 2>Again because you know, some of these things are there too,

0:31:42.120 --> 0:31:45.920
<v Speaker 2>Some of these characters are put in place, and the

0:31:45.960 --> 0:31:48.160
<v Speaker 2>way the storylines are built are kind of built to

0:31:48.320 --> 0:31:53.240
<v Speaker 2>kind of supplement or or build up certain factors about

0:31:53.240 --> 0:31:53.840
<v Speaker 2>other characters.

0:31:53.880 --> 0:31:57.560
<v Speaker 3>Right, So Lane helps us, it helps.

0:31:57.360 --> 0:32:01.000
<v Speaker 2>Foil Rory and shows us how mature is for her age,

0:32:01.600 --> 0:32:02.680
<v Speaker 2>for Candy, for her age.

0:32:03.080 --> 0:32:06.400
<v Speaker 1>That's interesting, you know, that's a various student observation, very

0:32:06.400 --> 0:32:08.680
<v Speaker 1>interesting observations.

0:32:08.560 --> 0:32:10.040
<v Speaker 3>Not just a pretty nice.

0:32:10.440 --> 0:32:12.920
<v Speaker 1>You are stirring the pot, buddy, let me tell you

0:32:14.120 --> 0:32:19.120
<v Speaker 1>I like it all right. Cocktail launch party. Emily throws

0:32:19.440 --> 0:32:23.680
<v Speaker 1>Richard a big launch party and invites all of his

0:32:23.720 --> 0:32:26.840
<v Speaker 1>clients and potential clients and friends to drum up his business.

0:32:28.080 --> 0:32:31.560
<v Speaker 1>He ends up hiring that Karen for his secretary anyway,

0:32:31.640 --> 0:32:34.680
<v Speaker 1>and he is happy to be work scoring deals or

0:32:34.880 --> 0:32:39.280
<v Speaker 1>bagging the suede as they say. And what Emily worries

0:32:39.400 --> 0:32:44.120
<v Speaker 1>cast She blames Lorelai for that accident, and it's like,

0:32:44.240 --> 0:32:46.760
<v Speaker 1>here we go again. We saw it coming a mile away.

0:32:47.160 --> 0:32:49.680
<v Speaker 2>But she she even she she foreshadowed that in the

0:32:49.680 --> 0:32:51.280
<v Speaker 2>beginning of the episode when she was like, how am

0:32:51.320 --> 0:32:53.600
<v Speaker 2>I explain why you had a cast on.

0:32:55.160 --> 0:32:57.360
<v Speaker 3>To her? So, I mean, but that's not That's just

0:32:58.200 --> 0:32:59.120
<v Speaker 3>that's who she is.

0:32:59.400 --> 0:33:03.160
<v Speaker 1>Right, and uh and Rory Laurlai get into a yelling

0:33:03.240 --> 0:33:07.720
<v Speaker 1>match in the hallway outside the office. When Rory expresses

0:33:07.720 --> 0:33:12.880
<v Speaker 1>her frustration with everyone blaming Jess. I mean that got

0:33:13.000 --> 0:33:18.360
<v Speaker 1>very heated. Rory heads home by herself. She wants some

0:33:18.400 --> 0:33:22.640
<v Speaker 1>time alone, right, But of course Emily blames Laura I

0:33:22.640 --> 0:33:28.120
<v Speaker 1>immediately that that's her default position, Emily. You think Emily

0:33:28.200 --> 0:33:31.520
<v Speaker 1>uses moments like this to undermine Laura. I mean, it's

0:33:31.560 --> 0:33:33.280
<v Speaker 1>just a constant barrage of sabotage.

0:33:33.360 --> 0:33:37.120
<v Speaker 2>Emily doesn't have anything going for herself, right, I mean,

0:33:37.240 --> 0:33:39.560
<v Speaker 2>and she she reminds me, also, what was that?

0:33:39.600 --> 0:33:40.080
<v Speaker 1>What was the.

0:33:42.200 --> 0:33:42.480
<v Speaker 3>Crap?

0:33:43.560 --> 0:33:46.800
<v Speaker 2>I can't even if it's friends, but was Monica Monica's

0:33:46.840 --> 0:33:48.280
<v Speaker 2>relationship with her mom on friends?

0:33:48.360 --> 0:33:49.280
<v Speaker 3>Right where?

0:33:50.160 --> 0:33:51.880
<v Speaker 1>And that's also I think I've heard.

0:33:52.000 --> 0:33:56.600
<v Speaker 2>I believe it's not uncommon for women and their daughters,

0:33:57.000 --> 0:33:59.640
<v Speaker 2>you know, a little bit of a little bit of competition,

0:33:59.680 --> 0:34:05.000
<v Speaker 2>a little bit of trying to not belittle each other

0:34:05.040 --> 0:34:07.600
<v Speaker 2>all the time, but not wanting to let not wanting

0:34:07.640 --> 0:34:10.680
<v Speaker 2>to admit that their daughter has grown up and is

0:34:10.760 --> 0:34:15.200
<v Speaker 2>perhaps more stable than they are. Right, And Emily's not

0:34:15.239 --> 0:34:19.680
<v Speaker 2>really ever had anything going for her except for being a.

0:34:19.760 --> 0:34:22.880
<v Speaker 1>Rich so so.

0:34:24.760 --> 0:34:28.520
<v Speaker 2>She is she Yeah, she has to belitve Laura because

0:34:28.520 --> 0:34:30.880
<v Speaker 2>I don't think her self esteem is high enough at all.

0:34:31.800 --> 0:34:35.520
<v Speaker 1>Which of course is ironic because you raised her right

0:34:37.000 --> 0:34:39.359
<v Speaker 1>and in a sense broke her, and Laurel has been

0:34:39.360 --> 0:34:42.600
<v Speaker 1>putting the pieces back together ever since. So Laurel, I

0:34:42.719 --> 0:34:45.680
<v Speaker 1>screams at her daughter. When my daughter comes home broken,

0:34:45.800 --> 0:34:47.839
<v Speaker 1>I get to hate the guy who broke her. That's

0:34:47.880 --> 0:34:49.320
<v Speaker 1>how it works. He's gone.

0:34:49.640 --> 0:34:50.080
<v Speaker 3>I win.

0:34:51.520 --> 0:34:56.680
<v Speaker 1>Claiy, do you agree with that? Yes, parenting style, that's

0:34:56.719 --> 0:34:59.600
<v Speaker 1>a tough love kind of a situation where it's like.

0:34:59.600 --> 0:35:00.600
<v Speaker 3>Hey, tough lover.

0:35:01.239 --> 0:35:03.880
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'm not doesn't go over well in my

0:35:03.920 --> 0:35:09.120
<v Speaker 2>house always. But but yeah, I totally she's right.

0:35:11.880 --> 0:35:12.879
<v Speaker 3>She was actually.

0:35:14.200 --> 0:35:17.880
<v Speaker 2>Generous to Rory a little bit too, because she blames

0:35:17.880 --> 0:35:21.000
<v Speaker 2>it all on Jess and it's not all Jess's fault.

0:35:21.040 --> 0:35:25.840
<v Speaker 2>Rory's right about that, so she's being extra generous to

0:35:26.200 --> 0:35:30.040
<v Speaker 2>take all of her anger and hate out on him.

0:35:30.200 --> 0:35:32.880
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I mean, I think she has every right

0:35:32.920 --> 0:35:34.600
<v Speaker 2>to be angry, and she has every right to be

0:35:36.360 --> 0:35:41.480
<v Speaker 2>certainly skeptical about what Jess may turn not turn her

0:35:41.520 --> 0:35:44.239
<v Speaker 2>daughter into, but the influence that he has he could

0:35:44.239 --> 0:35:44.719
<v Speaker 2>have on her.

0:35:45.000 --> 0:35:46.120
<v Speaker 3>So I don't blame her for that.

0:35:46.160 --> 0:35:48.160
<v Speaker 2>And this is this has come from somebody who gets

0:35:48.160 --> 0:35:49.040
<v Speaker 2>annoyed by her a lot.

0:35:49.120 --> 0:35:51.280
<v Speaker 3>So I thought she was in the right there.

0:35:51.440 --> 0:35:55.040
<v Speaker 1>Right because you know, this is a kid, love or

0:35:55.080 --> 0:35:58.920
<v Speaker 1>hate him, who can destroy Rory's life. There could be

0:35:59.000 --> 0:36:03.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, she's having forbacks to her own teenage years

0:36:03.680 --> 0:36:05.920
<v Speaker 1>when she got pregnant, and she's seeing Jess as the

0:36:05.960 --> 0:36:10.239
<v Speaker 1>same animal, right, like, oh, this is not going to

0:36:10.320 --> 0:36:14.240
<v Speaker 1>happen to my daughter. You know. The apple has fallen

0:36:14.640 --> 0:36:16.200
<v Speaker 1>not very far from the tree on this.

0:36:16.160 --> 0:36:18.320
<v Speaker 2>One, which makes you wonder now, to go back to Emily,

0:36:18.640 --> 0:36:22.919
<v Speaker 2>how much she history repeats itself, right, And even as

0:36:22.960 --> 0:36:27.719
<v Speaker 2>I am forty something years old, I think about, oh God,

0:36:28.000 --> 0:36:30.320
<v Speaker 2>I'm doing exactly what my mother would have done.

0:36:31.080 --> 0:36:31.480
<v Speaker 3>And.

0:36:32.800 --> 0:36:37.040
<v Speaker 2>How much in common Emily might have with that too,

0:36:37.160 --> 0:36:39.840
<v Speaker 2>Like were there things in Emily's past that she doesn't

0:36:39.840 --> 0:36:44.680
<v Speaker 2>want Laura to repeat, you know, being useless for example.

0:36:46.200 --> 0:36:48.239
<v Speaker 2>She doesn't want Laura to be useless like she is,

0:36:48.920 --> 0:36:52.240
<v Speaker 2>and so she is much tougher on her. She caviously

0:36:52.280 --> 0:36:54.319
<v Speaker 2>takes it out in a different way than Laura I

0:36:54.400 --> 0:36:59.320
<v Speaker 2>does with Rory. But there's no doubt Emily loves her daughter,

0:37:00.080 --> 0:37:03.719
<v Speaker 2>just doesn't know how to show it right. And they're

0:37:03.719 --> 0:37:07.359
<v Speaker 2>probably your commonalities there. I mean, they're both they're both

0:37:07.440 --> 0:37:10.680
<v Speaker 2>trying to defend and protect their kids. They're just doing

0:37:10.680 --> 0:37:14.239
<v Speaker 2>it in very different ways. Laurel I's been through things

0:37:14.239 --> 0:37:16.480
<v Speaker 2>that maybe Emily didn't go through, and so she I

0:37:16.480 --> 0:37:18.879
<v Speaker 2>didn't even think about the fact that she was thinking

0:37:18.880 --> 0:37:21.400
<v Speaker 2>about getting pregnant at the same age and wanting to

0:37:21.440 --> 0:37:23.680
<v Speaker 2>make sure the same thing didn't happen to her daughter.

0:37:24.120 --> 0:37:27.879
<v Speaker 1>Right, Yeah, well, I think that's primarily the fear, and

0:37:27.920 --> 0:37:34.480
<v Speaker 1>even beyond getting pregnant. Is you know this guy, he's explosive,

0:37:34.520 --> 0:37:40.200
<v Speaker 1>he's unpredictable, you know, but he's hot, so it's okay, dangerous,

0:37:43.840 --> 0:37:48.400
<v Speaker 1>I guess. So that's why I didn't dislike him. You know,

0:37:48.680 --> 0:37:50.959
<v Speaker 1>just just put on a wife beater and chop would

0:37:51.000 --> 0:37:53.440
<v Speaker 1>and you're good. You know, there you go, just go

0:37:53.480 --> 0:37:55.440
<v Speaker 1>over there and do that. That's what I do. That's

0:37:55.480 --> 0:38:07.200
<v Speaker 1>always how I do it. You know, this final scene,

0:38:07.200 --> 0:38:11.680
<v Speaker 1>we've discussed this a little bit, you know, in Luke's response,

0:38:12.520 --> 0:38:15.160
<v Speaker 1>I know it wasn't his fault. It's a simple. But

0:38:15.320 --> 0:38:18.719
<v Speaker 1>yet that's the economy of this writing is beautiful. It's

0:38:18.880 --> 0:38:22.000
<v Speaker 1>it's a very emotional statement. And why do you think

0:38:22.000 --> 0:38:25.480
<v Speaker 1>it's important for Rory to too Rory, for Luke to

0:38:25.520 --> 0:38:28.640
<v Speaker 1>know jess As not to blame. Why is that? Well?

0:38:28.680 --> 0:38:32.640
<v Speaker 2>Because they because Luke's the only other person who cares

0:38:32.640 --> 0:38:34.520
<v Speaker 2>about him, right, and she doesn't want her, she doesn't

0:38:34.560 --> 0:38:36.760
<v Speaker 2>want him to believe something bad and then have nobody

0:38:36.800 --> 0:38:39.560
<v Speaker 2>care for him. So, I mean, that's that seems somewhat obvious.

0:38:40.080 --> 0:38:43.719
<v Speaker 2>She I think she also wanted validation a little bit too.

0:38:43.800 --> 0:38:46.440
<v Speaker 2>She she wanted to get him. She needed somebody on

0:38:46.480 --> 0:38:54.440
<v Speaker 2>her side to go against the mob, right, and she

0:38:54.520 --> 0:38:57.040
<v Speaker 2>probably recognized that he would be a safe place because

0:38:57.400 --> 0:38:59.600
<v Speaker 2>he has an affinity for Luke too's I mean for

0:39:00.880 --> 0:39:04.160
<v Speaker 2>you know also so he uh, she she.

0:39:04.120 --> 0:39:06.720
<v Speaker 3>Knew was a safe place to be there.

0:39:07.080 --> 0:39:08.880
<v Speaker 2>And like I said, it was just an opportunity for

0:39:08.920 --> 0:39:11.200
<v Speaker 2>them to bond over something they had in common.

0:39:11.320 --> 0:39:12.480
<v Speaker 1>To mm hmm.

0:39:13.560 --> 0:39:15.279
<v Speaker 3>You want people on your side, you want someone on

0:39:15.320 --> 0:39:15.880
<v Speaker 3>your chain.

0:39:15.920 --> 0:39:19.400
<v Speaker 1>Right right, right, But it sets up all of this

0:39:19.520 --> 0:39:23.399
<v Speaker 1>potential conflict with Lorelei and everybody else in the town

0:39:23.600 --> 0:39:26.479
<v Speaker 1>because now these two are aligned. They feel we see

0:39:26.480 --> 0:39:29.160
<v Speaker 1>they feel the same way, and as you so aptly

0:39:29.160 --> 0:39:31.320
<v Speaker 1>put it there, maybe they're going to go up against

0:39:31.320 --> 0:39:35.239
<v Speaker 1>the mob in a sense, and I have kind of

0:39:35.239 --> 0:39:36.919
<v Speaker 1>interested kind of drama.

0:39:36.960 --> 0:39:38.040
<v Speaker 3>Then you won't have a TV show.

0:39:38.160 --> 0:39:41.759
<v Speaker 1>There you go, there you go, beautiful setup. Right, We

0:39:41.880 --> 0:39:47.040
<v Speaker 1>got some some questions for you, sir. Uh all right,

0:39:47.040 --> 0:39:50.000
<v Speaker 1>here we go. Uh, if you could choose one of

0:39:50.040 --> 0:39:54.200
<v Speaker 1>your songs to be the Gilmore Girls theme song. Which

0:39:54.239 --> 0:39:55.600
<v Speaker 1>one would you choose? Oh?

0:39:55.640 --> 0:39:57.960
<v Speaker 2>Well, I didn't have very many songs of my own,

0:39:58.800 --> 0:40:02.480
<v Speaker 2>so let me think of what would be appropriate. I

0:40:02.480 --> 0:40:05.000
<v Speaker 2>had a song called I Survived You, which I think

0:40:05.040 --> 0:40:08.760
<v Speaker 2>would be pretty appropriate for it. It's about it's about

0:40:10.040 --> 0:40:15.400
<v Speaker 2>surviving a very difficult relationship and persevering after it. And

0:40:15.440 --> 0:40:18.120
<v Speaker 2>I think every character in the show at some point

0:40:18.840 --> 0:40:21.960
<v Speaker 2>had to survive something and became stronger because of it.

0:40:22.000 --> 0:40:24.920
<v Speaker 2>So I think it would be appropriate for the for

0:40:25.000 --> 0:40:25.720
<v Speaker 2>Gilmore Girls.

0:40:25.840 --> 0:40:31.040
<v Speaker 1>M hm. Okay. So, as you have stated, you started

0:40:31.440 --> 0:40:36.200
<v Speaker 1>your singing career, or you start singing at very young age,

0:40:36.760 --> 0:40:39.400
<v Speaker 1>when you started to grow as a singer, what was

0:40:39.400 --> 0:40:43.160
<v Speaker 1>that adjustment like when your voice started to change?

0:40:43.400 --> 0:40:44.160
<v Speaker 3>It never did?

0:40:45.239 --> 0:40:48.440
<v Speaker 2>Oh is that right? Well, I mean obviously it changed some,

0:40:48.520 --> 0:40:52.200
<v Speaker 2>but I definitely definitely still sound like a girl. I

0:40:53.239 --> 0:40:54.840
<v Speaker 2>didn't have to worry about that. It didn't bother me

0:40:54.880 --> 0:40:56.080
<v Speaker 2>because I think one I.

0:40:56.000 --> 0:40:56.640
<v Speaker 1>Was always told.

0:40:56.680 --> 0:40:58.200
<v Speaker 3>First of all, it didn't change much.

0:40:58.320 --> 0:41:02.600
<v Speaker 2>I was an alto when I I was in fifth grade,

0:41:02.880 --> 0:41:05.680
<v Speaker 2>and I could be an alto today if I had to.

0:41:05.680 --> 0:41:08.680
<v Speaker 2>They call us countertenors now. So my voice didn't make

0:41:08.719 --> 0:41:12.239
<v Speaker 2>too much of a change. Unlike my son, he went

0:41:12.239 --> 0:41:16.080
<v Speaker 2>from sounding like this, don't look now he Mine didn't

0:41:16.120 --> 0:41:20.560
<v Speaker 2>change any Plus, since I sang steadily through that pubescent

0:41:20.600 --> 0:41:22.879
<v Speaker 2>period and I was doing I mean singing every day

0:41:22.880 --> 0:41:25.520
<v Speaker 2>in school and a part of choirs and doing stuff

0:41:25.560 --> 0:41:29.799
<v Speaker 2>after school, I've been told that because of that, you

0:41:31.400 --> 0:41:34.120
<v Speaker 2>kids whose voices are used a lot and they sing

0:41:34.120 --> 0:41:35.960
<v Speaker 2>a lot, their voices don't crack as much. On the

0:41:36.040 --> 0:41:38.600
<v Speaker 2>other hand, today haven't sung in quite a while, so

0:41:38.719 --> 0:41:41.960
<v Speaker 2>today I sound like I'm going through puberty, but I

0:41:42.000 --> 0:41:43.320
<v Speaker 2>didn't crack when I was in middle school.

0:41:43.840 --> 0:41:47.560
<v Speaker 1>Is there a Gilmore girl's character you relate to the most?

0:41:48.280 --> 0:41:50.759
<v Speaker 2>Well, I probably should say I relate to Lauraai the most,

0:41:50.800 --> 0:41:52.840
<v Speaker 2>even though she annoys me, and maybe she does annoy

0:41:52.880 --> 0:41:56.279
<v Speaker 2>me because she's she's She's definitely the wittiest one, right,

0:41:57.719 --> 0:42:00.640
<v Speaker 2>Not that I'm complimenting myself and saying that I'm the wittiest,

0:42:00.680 --> 0:42:06.879
<v Speaker 2>but god, now, I've never thought about this, so I'm

0:42:06.880 --> 0:42:09.600
<v Speaker 2>having to think about it now and therefore not doing

0:42:09.600 --> 0:42:11.160
<v Speaker 2>as deep a dive as I could.

0:42:11.200 --> 0:42:12.879
<v Speaker 3>But probably mean it probably would be.

0:42:12.840 --> 0:42:15.520
<v Speaker 2>Her because she does like to be she does like

0:42:15.560 --> 0:42:20.799
<v Speaker 2>to be the center of attentional and I can't say

0:42:20.800 --> 0:42:25.799
<v Speaker 2>that I don't and I think that I think that

0:42:25.840 --> 0:42:28.399
<v Speaker 2>she's probably a lot. I mean, she's definitely a lot

0:42:28.400 --> 0:42:30.680
<v Speaker 2>more vulnerable than she wants to appear.

0:42:31.840 --> 0:42:32.360
<v Speaker 3>To people.

0:42:33.080 --> 0:42:36.640
<v Speaker 2>So I mean I would go I could go with her, probably.

0:42:36.680 --> 0:42:39.960
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I mean, I'm as clumsy and clueless as

0:42:40.000 --> 0:42:43.480
<v Speaker 2>Suki as but I I'm gonna go with Laura La

0:42:43.560 --> 0:42:43.879
<v Speaker 2>for now.

0:42:44.200 --> 0:42:48.560
<v Speaker 1>Mm hmm. Okay. And you, as you mentioned, you have

0:42:48.600 --> 0:42:51.160
<v Speaker 1>a sixteen year old son seventeen now, he just turns

0:42:51.200 --> 0:42:54.759
<v Speaker 1>seventeen years seventeen. Wow, Yeah, what are some of the

0:42:54.880 --> 0:42:57.200
<v Speaker 1>values that you're hoping to pass down to him.

0:42:58.280 --> 0:43:01.000
<v Speaker 2>I mean i'd say that I say that as we

0:43:01.160 --> 0:43:05.120
<v Speaker 2>as we were in this period where dads and their

0:43:05.200 --> 0:43:06.840
<v Speaker 2>kids do the same thing. I think that I was

0:43:06.880 --> 0:43:11.359
<v Speaker 2>saying good women and their daughters do. I mean, I

0:43:11.400 --> 0:43:16.480
<v Speaker 2>do think a strong work ethic, being willing to sweat

0:43:16.719 --> 0:43:19.000
<v Speaker 2>and be sore at the end of the day. You know,

0:43:19.520 --> 0:43:23.440
<v Speaker 2>I had to do that as a kid, and I

0:43:23.480 --> 0:43:26.920
<v Speaker 2>stumbled into a career where I don't as much and

0:43:27.080 --> 0:43:29.000
<v Speaker 2>as a result, don't have.

0:43:28.920 --> 0:43:30.000
<v Speaker 3>To make him as much.

0:43:30.120 --> 0:43:33.600
<v Speaker 2>So I hope to kind of push him to be

0:43:33.840 --> 0:43:38.040
<v Speaker 2>uncomfortable sometimes. I think it's important for all of us,

0:43:38.080 --> 0:43:42.000
<v Speaker 2>and I think sometimes we've gotten especially as with some

0:43:42.080 --> 0:43:43.839
<v Speaker 2>of the younger generations. Now I'm going to really get

0:43:43.840 --> 0:43:47.640
<v Speaker 2>people pissed to me where we try to make life

0:43:47.840 --> 0:43:50.360
<v Speaker 2>as easy and pleasant for them as possible, which obviously

0:43:50.360 --> 0:43:53.799
<v Speaker 2>you want to do for your kids, right, But then

0:43:53.840 --> 0:43:55.560
<v Speaker 2>when you get in the real world and things aren't

0:43:55.640 --> 0:43:57.600
<v Speaker 2>easy and pleasant, you don't know how to deal with it,

0:43:57.960 --> 0:43:59.359
<v Speaker 2>you don't know how to cope with it, you don't

0:43:59.360 --> 0:44:01.560
<v Speaker 2>have the coping skills necessary. And so I think that

0:44:02.040 --> 0:44:10.200
<v Speaker 2>being uncomfortable helps us create, helps us create the coping

0:44:10.200 --> 0:44:13.120
<v Speaker 2>skills we need to be successful in every situation. So

0:44:13.200 --> 0:44:16.080
<v Speaker 2>I kind of I mean, I do hope at times

0:44:16.160 --> 0:44:20.399
<v Speaker 2>he's uncomfortable and can be more a better problem solver

0:44:20.520 --> 0:44:20.799
<v Speaker 2>for that.

0:44:20.800 --> 0:44:25.839
<v Speaker 1>Reason, right, right, are you team Jess or team Dean?

0:44:26.560 --> 0:44:28.640
<v Speaker 2>I'm probably team Dean, but that again, that's only because

0:44:28.680 --> 0:44:32.080
<v Speaker 2>I think Jared's cute. I mean, listen, listen, I would't

0:44:32.120 --> 0:44:36.719
<v Speaker 2>tick either one. I'm out of bed, all right, So.

0:44:38.239 --> 0:44:41.239
<v Speaker 1>Who do you side with in this episode? Laura I

0:44:41.360 --> 0:44:44.880
<v Speaker 1>or Luke in this episode?

0:44:45.120 --> 0:44:48.760
<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean cannot considering the context from other ones,

0:44:49.719 --> 0:44:54.160
<v Speaker 2>I would side with Laura, I because she is just

0:44:54.280 --> 0:44:57.319
<v Speaker 2>trying to defend her kid, right, And you have to

0:44:57.440 --> 0:45:00.960
<v Speaker 2>understand the motivation for someone who's just trying to defend

0:45:01.000 --> 0:45:05.600
<v Speaker 2>their kid. If you take into account, you know, the

0:45:05.680 --> 0:45:08.239
<v Speaker 2>other factors, like at the very least, I mean, the

0:45:08.560 --> 0:45:13.520
<v Speaker 2>fact that Jess's background and how he's sort of treated poorly,

0:45:13.560 --> 0:45:18.000
<v Speaker 2>then you obviously start seeing Luke's positions more clearly, Right,

0:45:18.040 --> 0:45:19.640
<v Speaker 2>So I could side with him. But if I'm just

0:45:19.719 --> 0:45:22.839
<v Speaker 2>looking at this episode just understanding that there's been an

0:45:22.840 --> 0:45:26.200
<v Speaker 2>accident and my kid's hurt and it's a kid who

0:45:26.800 --> 0:45:30.080
<v Speaker 2>and it was with a kid who has a reputation

0:45:30.200 --> 0:45:34.080
<v Speaker 2>for or and you got a side with Laura, you

0:45:34.080 --> 0:45:35.799
<v Speaker 2>see where she's coming from. But I think we see

0:45:35.880 --> 0:45:40.600
<v Speaker 2>later on more facets to the story. And we saw

0:45:40.640 --> 0:45:43.360
<v Speaker 2>a little bit before before and after this episode, we

0:45:43.400 --> 0:45:47.319
<v Speaker 2>see more. And I would probably be personally inclined to

0:45:47.360 --> 0:45:50.120
<v Speaker 2>be on Luke's side because I like to try to

0:45:50.160 --> 0:45:53.520
<v Speaker 2>be more empathetic that way. But you can't blame them

0:45:53.719 --> 0:45:56.520
<v Speaker 2>parent for being selfish for their kid to defend their kid.

0:45:57.760 --> 0:45:59.160
<v Speaker 1>No, No, absolutely not.

0:45:59.120 --> 0:46:01.600
<v Speaker 2>Especially given that she doesn't know everything that she wont

0:46:02.400 --> 0:46:03.640
<v Speaker 2>you know, at some point might.

0:46:04.040 --> 0:46:08.200
<v Speaker 1>Right, any plans to tour anytime soon, I'm going to

0:46:08.239 --> 0:46:08.759
<v Speaker 1>get it back out.

0:46:08.800 --> 0:46:09.680
<v Speaker 3>Well, you know, I stopped.

0:46:10.040 --> 0:46:13.440
<v Speaker 2>I stopped performing for years and just have gotten back

0:46:13.480 --> 0:46:17.200
<v Speaker 2>into it a little bit. So my kid's old enough

0:46:17.200 --> 0:46:19.920
<v Speaker 2>now that he wants me to leave as much as possible,

0:46:20.400 --> 0:46:26.800
<v Speaker 2>and he and and he doesn't need supervision all the time.

0:46:27.120 --> 0:46:31.240
<v Speaker 2>So I've I'm getting back into performing and doing stuff,

0:46:31.320 --> 0:46:34.080
<v Speaker 2>and I do plan on doing some shows. I don't

0:46:34.080 --> 0:46:37.400
<v Speaker 2>know if there'll be a tour in the next six months,

0:46:37.440 --> 0:46:39.840
<v Speaker 2>but there's going to be music and new music.

0:46:39.920 --> 0:46:40.520
<v Speaker 3>That's the plan.

0:46:41.480 --> 0:46:43.319
<v Speaker 2>Which is which is a new thing for me because

0:46:43.360 --> 0:46:44.760
<v Speaker 2>I haven't done that in fifteen years.

0:46:44.880 --> 0:46:48.440
<v Speaker 1>Oh, that's going to be exciting for your fans. Anyway,

0:46:48.520 --> 0:46:51.080
<v Speaker 1>Good luck with everything, and hope to see you back

0:46:51.080 --> 0:46:54.720
<v Speaker 1>out there on the road doing your thing and making

0:46:54.760 --> 0:46:59.200
<v Speaker 1>people happy. Klay Can thank you for your time, much appreciated.

0:47:00.200 --> 0:47:03.480
<v Speaker 1>Thank you best fans on the planet. And remember I'm

0:47:03.520 --> 0:47:06.560
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0:47:06.640 --> 0:47:12.640
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<v Speaker 1>can't wait to see everybody out there. It's Lorgie Margie.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what she.

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<v Speaker 1>Calls large marchi margin. That's right. She will. She will

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<v Speaker 1>not largelye Margie will not be in Brighton, but I will, yes,

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