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Speaker 1: Luke Steiner with Scott Patterson an iHeartRadio podcast. Hey, everybody's

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Speaker 1: Scott Patterson. I am all on podcasts, one of them productions.

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Speaker 1: iHeartRadio Media, iHeart podcast. Very special guest here on our

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Speaker 1: episode twenty season two recap. Mister Clay Aiken himself is here.

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Speaker 1: He is if you don't know him, and I'm sure

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Speaker 1: you do. He's a singer, actor, father, and was the

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Speaker 1: runner up in American Idol and Apprentice. His debut album,

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Speaker 1: Measure of a Man, went multi platinum. He is a

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Speaker 1: huge fan of Gilmore Girls and was referenced in the

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Speaker 1: show season four episode eighteen two tick Boom boom. Clay

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Speaker 1: and I are going to discuss season two episode twenty

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Speaker 1: help one at air date May seventh, two thousand and two. Clay,

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Speaker 1: welcome to the show.

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Speaker 2: Well, thank you for thank you for having me. There

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Speaker 2: was a heck of an introduction. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Oh I cut it short. There's so much more I.

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Speaker 2: Am probably I probably don't know barely half of what

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Speaker 2: the people who listen know about the show, but obviously

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Speaker 2: I recognize its cultural significance and did a little bit

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Speaker 2: of honing up a little brushing up on my season

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Speaker 2: two episode twenty for today to be able to talk

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Speaker 2: about it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's all we're discussing. Yeah, I mean, trust me.

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Speaker 1: In the Gilmour fandom, I am pretty much to Novice myself.

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Speaker 1: Oh god, but that's saying a lot. They are steeped

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Speaker 1: in this show. They know it chapter and verse. Man.

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Speaker 1: I just this is just my second go around watching it.

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Speaker 3: So, oh, you're going through it.

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Speaker 2: So you're going through it right chronologically fell for a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and now when when.

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Speaker 2: Was the first time you watched it? What was the

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Speaker 2: first run through? It originally aired.

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Speaker 1: Four years ago when we started this podcast, I'd never

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Speaker 1: seen it.

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Speaker 2: So wait, so you didn't watch it when you first

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Speaker 2: when it first aired? That is correct, Okay, you're like

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's growing on me, man. I mean

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Speaker 1: it's a great show.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean it's very difficult to when you know

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Speaker 2: the people almost as much as you know the more

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Speaker 2: than you know the characters, sometimes it probably is very

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Speaker 3: That's why I'm not an actor.

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Speaker 1: No, no, it was at the time, but you know,

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Speaker 1: twenty five years later, twenty years later it's it's it's

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Speaker 1: a different person, so you don't Yeah, it's okay to

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Speaker 1: watch it now, you know. But anyway, so let's let's

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna kick off with a synopsis. Newcomer Open Stars

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Speaker 1: Hollow First Music Store, the one and only Carol King Richard,

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Speaker 1: who probably wrote the greatest theme song in the history

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Speaker 1: of television. Richard decides to kick off his new business

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Speaker 1: by searching for a secretary. Then Laurel I starts to

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Speaker 1: would stay. Directed by the great Chris Long written by

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Speaker 1: Alan Heinberg. Lukes has closed. He's gone fishing. There's been

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Speaker 1: a fight between Luke and Laurel I. Everybody needs to

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Speaker 1: cool off. Rory is concerned it's her fault that Luke's

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Speaker 1: has closed because of the accident. Rory and Laurel I

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Speaker 1: go to the Hungry Diner to eat breakfast. In their

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Speaker 1: darbo on a few weeks ago who played the waitress

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Speaker 1: in this episode. She was great in this scene. Clay,

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Speaker 1: we have never seen lukes Diners closed before. Does this

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Speaker 2: I mean it certainly does to Roaring, right she she

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Speaker 2: I mean I think that's probably what the the intention was, right,

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Speaker 2: every show does that. Some stuff is you know, just

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Speaker 2: kind of messes with their schedule, their routine too. Maybe

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Speaker 2: Well, you, no one knows him better than you, so

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Speaker 2: the word, I can't even think of the word punitive person.

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Speaker 1: He needed a break. Yeah, I agree with that.

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Speaker 1: He just, you know, I think he's just a little

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Speaker 1: So seems like this is the biggest fight Luke and

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Speaker 1: Laurel I have ever gotten into Clay who apologizes first

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Speaker 2: I definitely think Laura I should because she annoys me

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Speaker 3: I have been known to roll my eyes at Laura

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Speaker 1: You know what I really thought, this episode is now

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Speaker 1: my favorite episode of all of them, Health Wanted, This

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Speaker 1: is my favorite episode. Well, you're barely in it, but

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Speaker 2: Well, because it's about there's so much, so much gravity

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Speaker 1: Right, So I think that's great writing, and I think

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Speaker 1: I think from beginning to end, this was just just

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Speaker 1: a comedy masterclass showcase in great writing and great great

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Speaker 1: It was a perfect use of supporting characters like Sally

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Speaker 1: I couldn't stop laughing. I was roaring through the whole thing.

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Speaker 3: He just reacts to it.

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Speaker 1: Well, we know that she starts it out by saying

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Speaker 1: Were you a little worried for her safety at his

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Speaker 1: Right, right, right, right? Yeah, So Rory talks to Laurala

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Speaker 1: that's a pretty pretty bold gesture to go to his house,

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Speaker 2: Well, you hated him, then, you hated him more than

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Speaker 3: I didn't hate him in the beginning.

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Speaker 2: certain people who are who are workaholics, and you obviously,

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00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:53,760
Speaker 2: to be as successful as he has been, he must

438
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:58,320
Speaker 2: enjoy working, right, So yeah, I mean, it's not a

439
00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:00,240
Speaker 2: surprise that he wants to do something to and he

440
00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:02,600
Speaker 2: needs to stay busy. He also probably you know that

441
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:06,280
Speaker 2: annoying part. The thing about Laurla that annoys me, she

442
00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:09,480
Speaker 2: gets from her mama, and so I imagine he wants

443
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:10,040
Speaker 2: to be out of the.

444
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:15,800
Speaker 1: House, right, all right, So Lurlai steps in to help

445
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:19,879
Speaker 1: her dad. I find secretary seems very selfless of Laurela,

446
00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:21,120
Speaker 1: and they end up working well.

447
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:24,240
Speaker 2: Together, especially considering how they treated her, right.

448
00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:26,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, not well.

449
00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:29,960
Speaker 2: So so so so for her to be that gracious,

450
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:32,119
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously they they're paying for school, what I mean,

451
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:34,560
Speaker 2: they're they're no longer estranged.

452
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:36,520
Speaker 3: But yeah, the.

453
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:40,439
Speaker 2: It's it's it's nice to see that she is, that

454
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:44,240
Speaker 2: they're bonding without a required dinner.

455
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:47,879
Speaker 1: This is really the first time Richard sees his daughter

456
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:52,240
Speaker 1: as being sort of accomplished and smart and capable and right.

457
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:54,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why I was saying that the father's father

458
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:57,920
Speaker 2: daughter theme of this episode. It was obviously it wasn't

459
00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:00,600
Speaker 2: that way with with Rory and Luke, but that had

460
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:02,800
Speaker 2: some of the elements of it, and the father daughter

461
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:04,480
Speaker 2: theme was strong in this episode.

462
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:09,200
Speaker 1: Right. It's like daughter appreciation Day for Richard. Right, It's

463
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:13,960
Speaker 1: like he probably has never felt this way about his daughter.

464
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:16,439
Speaker 2: Well at least well they've always They always treat her

465
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:20,879
Speaker 2: like she's stupid and my kid, right, and he's seeing

466
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:23,600
Speaker 2: her as someone who's able to handle things right, and

467
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:25,399
Speaker 2: she's like that learning from her.

468
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:28,120
Speaker 3: In the story when he's yeah.

469
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:29,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like, Dad, I run an ind I've been

470
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:31,240
Speaker 1: doing it for years, you know, I mean I run

471
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:35,720
Speaker 1: a business. I run a fairly large business. Well, it's

472
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:39,359
Speaker 1: just it's nice to see those moments with those two together.

473
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:46,239
Speaker 1: Obviously it brought them closer together. You know, obviously how

474
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 1: much that sticks around is right, It's going to be temporary, Right,

475
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:52,879
Speaker 1: Something's gonna happen.

476
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:54,639
Speaker 3: That's the way life is that.

477
00:25:54,840 --> 00:26:07,840
Speaker 1: So yeah, Stars Hall of Music Store, Sophie's in there,

478
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 1: the Great Carol King, So Stars Hall is going to

479
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:14,400
Speaker 1: open up a new music store, and Lane is very,

480
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:17,439
Speaker 1: very excited Carol King's debut did it. I think she

481
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 1: did a great job, you know, she she handled the

482
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:21,959
Speaker 1: comedic moments beautifully.

483
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't realize that she watching this again, this

484
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:30,400
Speaker 2: episode again. First of all, I don't even think. I'm

485
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:32,119
Speaker 2: sure I did clock it when I saw her the

486
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 2: first time. Obviously I know who Carol King is and

487
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:36,680
Speaker 2: know her what she looks like, but I.

488
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:40,879
Speaker 3: Didn't clock how funny she was.

489
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:42,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, the first time.

490
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:45,160
Speaker 2: I mean that second scene when she's trying to close

491
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 2: up and yeah, her timing's quite good.

492
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:51,240
Speaker 3: She was believable. There was no acting there.

493
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:54,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's hard to come in there as

494
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:57,960
Speaker 1: a non actor, but an artist, right, you know, a

495
00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:02,920
Speaker 1: very high level of artists, so maybe there's some some experience.

496
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 1: Who knows, but she seemed like she really knew what

497
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:07,920
Speaker 1: the heck she was doing. Well, she's been in the

498
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 1: business longer than all of us, been a lot indeed, right,

499
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 1: she knows what she's doing, right, I mean, jeez, I

500
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:18,240
Speaker 1: grew up with her. She was she was a big

501
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:20,880
Speaker 1: star when I was, you know, growing up in the sixties. Seven.

502
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:21,680
Speaker 3: She's still got more.

503
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:23,359
Speaker 2: She's I feel like she's I don't know what the

504
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 2: record is. She's her Her grandson is my guitar player. Actually,

505
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:30,359
Speaker 2: but so I think you think i'd be a little

506
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 2: bit more educated on it. But I feel like she's

507
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:34,439
Speaker 2: had something like one hundred and one hundred and twenty

508
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 2: hit top ten hits. She's one of the most prolific

509
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 2: songwriters in American history by far, without question.

510
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 1: Wow.

511
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I should look it up and see

512
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:47,440
Speaker 2: if I can sign it.

513
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:51,440
Speaker 1: That's a that's a lot. Yeah, she's got a Jackie.

514
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:53,959
Speaker 1: Can you confirm this number?

515
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 2: Oh no, you don't believe me. I see what it's Okay,

516
00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:01,359
Speaker 2: I'm checking myself too. Well, I've I've got a highley.

517
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 2: She co wrote one hundred and eighteen songs that were

518
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 2: in the top twenty I mean top ten. Oh is

519
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:08,719
Speaker 2: it one hundred and twenty one hundred and twenty one

520
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 2: hundred and eighteen class I have that have charted?

521
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:13,239
Speaker 3: Okay, maybe that's what it was.

522
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 1: Listen.

523
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 2: Still, that's very I mean, but we're talking about and

524
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:23,720
Speaker 2: the ones that she wrote Natural Woman and well, I

525
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,719
Speaker 2: can't even think what they did that whole I mean,

526
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 2: the whole musical on Broadway Beautiful. It was about her,

527
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,440
Speaker 2: and it's full of her songs. Up on the roof,

528
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 2: this soul world stocks getting me down up on the roof,

529
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 2: she wrote, she wrote songs for other people. You got

530
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 2: a friend for James Taylor. I mean her stuff is

531
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 2: the cannon, right. So so coming and doing an acting

532
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 2: role was she didn't need the money.

533
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean really outstanding performance. And you know that's

534
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 1: tough to do, to come in for a small role

535
00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 1: a scene, you know, a little scene here and there.

536
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 3: Right with not enough meat, right, you know how to

537
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 3: do what to do with it.

538
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 1: But she came back again.

539
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 2: She's been back a few times, I think she Yeah,

540
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 2: and she was in the she was in the revival and.

541
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I remember that, Yes she was. She was well,

542
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 1: you know she she made a deal with Lane, right,

543
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 1: so she proposed that she practices twice a week at

544
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 1: the store. In return for working at the store. Lane

545
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 1: found her longtime passion drumming and the band. We see

546
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 1: Lane pressure on the drums for the first time. Clayton,

547
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 1: you remember singing for the first time.

548
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 3: I don't remember it.

549
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 2: And my mom said I was doing it when I

550
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 2: was a kid, when I was eighteen months old. Do

551
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 2: I remember singing in front of I don't remember singing

552
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 2: in front of an audience until probably middle school.

553
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 3: Like that. But I mean, I've been doing it my

554
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 3: whole life. I don't remember.

555
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 2: I don't remember discovering it as a passion and the

556
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 2: way Lane did, all of a sudden out of nowhere,

557
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 2: pulled out of nowhere.

558
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:00,120
Speaker 1: And so what was there a moment for you and

559
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 1: you thought, oh, I'd like to pursue this professional, pursue

560
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 1: it as a career.

561
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 2: No, when I when I on the finale of Idol,

562
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 2: when I was when I was there, I didn't have

563
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 2: any plans to pursue it as a career until the

564
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 2: career pursued me. No, I didn't have I guess you know.

565
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 2: For me, and this is very different than Lane's situation.

566
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 2: I learned to love it because I discovered I was

567
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 2: good at it, and I was good at it, so

568
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 2: I might as well keep doing it.

569
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 3: Whereas Lane just thinks it looks.

570
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 2: Fun and so she's gonna she wants to do it well,

571
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 2: and she's gonna practice and maybe be horrible.

572
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 1: She didn't she didn't sound like she was too good, right,

573
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 1: This is so so it was different for me.

574
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 2: I mean, I think I think it's the kind of

575
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 2: thing that she's going to grow out of in a

576
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 2: few weeks.

577
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 1: I mean, Lane's Lane is.

578
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 2: Not psychologically developmentally, Lane is a little developmentally young from

579
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 2: her age. I think, you know, she she provides some

580
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 2: of that foil to Rory, because Rory can be so mature,

581
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 2: and Lane just kind of shows us how mature she is,

582
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 2: because Lane is is not.

583
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 1: And she's very she's very childlike.

584
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 2: So she's going to have that sort of she'll grow

585
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 2: out of it and she'll be into into planes next week,

586
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 2: and then the week after that she'll be into something else.

587
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 2: So she exactly exactly, I don't expect her to stick

588
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 2: with it, and so but I mean that comic relief

589
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 2: and it's an important I mean, it's an important.

590
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 3: Building block to the show.

591
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 2: Again because you know, some of these things are there too,

592
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 2: Some of these characters are put in place, and the

593
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 2: way the storylines are built are kind of built to

594
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 2: kind of supplement or or build up certain factors about

595
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 2: other characters.

596
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 3: Right, So Lane helps us, it helps.

597
00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 2: Foil Rory and shows us how mature is for her age,

598
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 2: for Candy, for her age.

599
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 1: That's interesting, you know, that's a various student observation, very

600
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 1: interesting observations.

601
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 3: Not just a pretty nice.

602
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 1: You are stirring the pot, buddy, let me tell you

603
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 1: I like it all right. Cocktail launch party. Emily throws

604
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 1: Richard a big launch party and invites all of his

605
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 1: clients and potential clients and friends to drum up his business.

606
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 1: He ends up hiring that Karen for his secretary anyway,

607
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 1: and he is happy to be work scoring deals or

608
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 1: bagging the suede as they say. And what Emily worries

609
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 1: cast She blames Lorelai for that accident, and it's like,

610
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 1: here we go again. We saw it coming a mile away.

611
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 2: But she she even she she foreshadowed that in the

612
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 2: beginning of the episode when she was like, how am

613
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 2: I explain why you had a cast on.

614
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 3: To her? So, I mean, but that's not That's just

615
00:32:58,200 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 3: that's who she is.

616
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 1: Right, and uh and Rory Laurlai get into a yelling

617
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 1: match in the hallway outside the office. When Rory expresses

618
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 1: her frustration with everyone blaming Jess. I mean that got

619
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 1: very heated. Rory heads home by herself. She wants some

620
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 1: time alone, right, But of course Emily blames Laura I

621
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 1: immediately that that's her default position, Emily. You think Emily

622
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 1: uses moments like this to undermine Laura. I mean, it's

623
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 1: just a constant barrage of sabotage.

624
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 2: Emily doesn't have anything going for herself, right, I mean,

625
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 2: and she she reminds me, also, what was that?

626
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 1: What was the.

627
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 3: Crap?

628
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 2: I can't even if it's friends, but was Monica Monica's

629
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 2: relationship with her mom on friends?

630
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 3: Right where?

631
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 1: And that's also I think I've heard.

632
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 2: I believe it's not uncommon for women and their daughters,

633
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 2: you know, a little bit of a little bit of competition,

634
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 2: a little bit of trying to not belittle each other

635
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 2: all the time, but not wanting to let not wanting

636
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 2: to admit that their daughter has grown up and is

637
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 2: perhaps more stable than they are. Right, And Emily's not

638
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 2: really ever had anything going for her except for being a.

639
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,880
Speaker 1: Rich so so.

640
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 2: She is she Yeah, she has to belitve Laura because

641
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 2: I don't think her self esteem is high enough at all.

642
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 1: Which of course is ironic because you raised her right

643
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:39,359
Speaker 1: and in a sense broke her, and Laurel has been

644
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 1: putting the pieces back together ever since. So Laurel, I

645
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 1: screams at her daughter. When my daughter comes home broken,

646
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:47,839
Speaker 1: I get to hate the guy who broke her. That's

647
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:49,320
Speaker 1: how it works. He's gone.

648
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 3: I win.

649
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 1: Claiy, do you agree with that? Yes, parenting style, that's

650
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 1: a tough love kind of a situation where it's like.

651
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 3: Hey, tough lover.

652
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:03,880
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not doesn't go over well in my

653
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 2: house always. But but yeah, I totally she's right.

654
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:12,879
Speaker 3: She was actually.

655
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 2: Generous to Rory a little bit too, because she blames

656
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 2: it all on Jess and it's not all Jess's fault.

657
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:25,840
Speaker 2: Rory's right about that, so she's being extra generous to

658
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 2: take all of her anger and hate out on him.

659
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:32,880
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean, I think she has every right

660
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 2: to be angry, and she has every right to be

661
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 2: certainly skeptical about what Jess may turn not turn her

662
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 2: daughter into, but the influence that he has he could

663
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 2: have on her.

664
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 3: So I don't blame her for that.

665
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 2: And this is this has come from somebody who gets

666
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 2: annoyed by her a lot.

667
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:51,280
Speaker 3: So I thought she was in the right there.

668
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 1: Right because you know, this is a kid, love or

669
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 1: hate him, who can destroy Rory's life. There could be

670
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 1: you know, she's having forbacks to her own teenage years

671
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 1: when she got pregnant, and she's seeing Jess as the

672
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 1: same animal, right, like, oh, this is not going to

673
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:14,240
Speaker 1: happen to my daughter. You know. The apple has fallen

674
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 1: not very far from the tree on this.

675
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:18,320
Speaker 2: One, which makes you wonder now, to go back to Emily,

676
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:22,919
Speaker 2: how much she history repeats itself, right, And even as

677
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:27,719
Speaker 2: I am forty something years old, I think about, oh God,

678
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,320
Speaker 2: I'm doing exactly what my mother would have done.

679
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 3: And.

680
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 2: How much in common Emily might have with that too,

681
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:39,840
Speaker 2: Like were there things in Emily's past that she doesn't

682
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 2: want Laura to repeat, you know, being useless for example.

683
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 2: She doesn't want Laura to be useless like she is,

684
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:52,240
Speaker 2: and so she is much tougher on her. She caviously

685
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:54,319
Speaker 2: takes it out in a different way than Laura I

686
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:59,320
Speaker 2: does with Rory. But there's no doubt Emily loves her daughter,

687
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 2: just doesn't know how to show it right. And they're

688
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:07,359
Speaker 2: probably your commonalities there. I mean, they're both they're both

689
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 2: trying to defend and protect their kids. They're just doing

690
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 2: it in very different ways. Laurel I's been through things

691
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 2: that maybe Emily didn't go through, and so she I

692
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:18,879
Speaker 2: didn't even think about the fact that she was thinking

693
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 2: about getting pregnant at the same age and wanting to

694
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 2: make sure the same thing didn't happen to her daughter.

695
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:27,879
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, well, I think that's primarily the fear, and

696
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 1: even beyond getting pregnant. Is you know this guy, he's explosive,

697
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 1: he's unpredictable, you know, but he's hot, so it's okay, dangerous,

698
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:48,400
Speaker 1: I guess. So that's why I didn't dislike him. You know,

699
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:50,959
Speaker 1: just just put on a wife beater and chop would

700
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 1: and you're good. You know, there you go, just go

701
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 1: over there and do that. That's what I do. That's

702
00:37:55,480 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 1: always how I do it. You know, this final scene,

703
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 1: we've discussed this a little bit, you know, in Luke's response,

704
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 1: I know it wasn't his fault. It's a simple. But

705
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 1: yet that's the economy of this writing is beautiful. It's

706
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 1: it's a very emotional statement. And why do you think

707
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 1: it's important for Rory to too Rory, for Luke to

708
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 1: know jess As not to blame. Why is that? Well?

709
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 2: Because they because Luke's the only other person who cares

710
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 2: about him, right, and she doesn't want her, she doesn't

711
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:36,760
Speaker 2: want him to believe something bad and then have nobody

712
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 2: care for him. So, I mean, that's that seems somewhat obvious.

713
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:43,719
Speaker 2: She I think she also wanted validation a little bit too.

714
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 2: She she wanted to get him. She needed somebody on

715
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 2: her side to go against the mob, right, and she

716
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 2: probably recognized that he would be a safe place because

717
00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 2: he has an affinity for Luke too's I mean for

718
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 2: you know also so he uh, she she.

719
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:06,720
Speaker 3: Knew was a safe place to be there.

720
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:08,880
Speaker 2: And like I said, it was just an opportunity for

721
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 2: them to bond over something they had in common.

722
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 1: To mm hmm.

723
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:15,279
Speaker 3: You want people on your side, you want someone on

724
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 3: your chain.

725
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:19,400
Speaker 1: Right right, right, But it sets up all of this

726
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:23,399
Speaker 1: potential conflict with Lorelei and everybody else in the town

727
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:26,479
Speaker 1: because now these two are aligned. They feel we see

728
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 1: they feel the same way, and as you so aptly

729
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:31,320
Speaker 1: put it there, maybe they're going to go up against

730
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 1: the mob in a sense, and I have kind of

731
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:36,919
Speaker 1: interested kind of drama.

732
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 3: Then you won't have a TV show.

733
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 1: There you go, there you go, beautiful setup. Right, We

734
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 1: got some some questions for you, sir. Uh all right,

735
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 1: here we go. Uh, if you could choose one of

736
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 1: your songs to be the Gilmore Girls theme song. Which

737
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 1: one would you choose? Oh?

738
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 2: Well, I didn't have very many songs of my own,

739
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 2: so let me think of what would be appropriate. I

740
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 2: had a song called I Survived You, which I think

741
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:08,760
Speaker 2: would be pretty appropriate for it. It's about it's about

742
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:15,400
Speaker 2: surviving a very difficult relationship and persevering after it. And

743
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 2: I think every character in the show at some point

744
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 2: had to survive something and became stronger because of it.

745
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 2: So I think it would be appropriate for the for

746
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:25,720
Speaker 2: Gilmore Girls.

747
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 1: M hm. Okay. So, as you have stated, you started

748
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 1: your singing career, or you start singing at very young age,

749
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:39,400
Speaker 1: when you started to grow as a singer, what was

750
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 1: that adjustment like when your voice started to change?

751
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 3: It never did?

752
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 2: Oh is that right? Well, I mean obviously it changed some,

753
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 2: but I definitely definitely still sound like a girl. I

754
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:54,840
Speaker 2: didn't have to worry about that. It didn't bother me

755
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 2: because I think one I.

756
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 1: Was always told.

757
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 3: First of all, it didn't change much.

758
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 2: I was an alto when I I was in fifth grade,

759
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 2: and I could be an alto today if I had to.

760
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 2: They call us countertenors now. So my voice didn't make

761
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 2: too much of a change. Unlike my son, he went

762
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 2: from sounding like this, don't look now he Mine didn't

763
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 2: change any Plus, since I sang steadily through that pubescent

764
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:22,879
Speaker 2: period and I was doing I mean singing every day

765
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 2: in school and a part of choirs and doing stuff

766
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:29,799
Speaker 2: after school, I've been told that because of that, you

767
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 2: kids whose voices are used a lot and they sing

768
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 2: a lot, their voices don't crack as much. On the

769
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 2: other hand, today haven't sung in quite a while, so

770
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 2: today I sound like I'm going through puberty, but I

771
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:43,320
Speaker 2: didn't crack when I was in middle school.

772
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 1: Is there a Gilmore girl's character you relate to the most?

773
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:50,759
Speaker 2: Well, I probably should say I relate to Lauraai the most,

774
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:52,840
Speaker 2: even though she annoys me, and maybe she does annoy

775
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 2: me because she's she's She's definitely the wittiest one, right,

776
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 2: Not that I'm complimenting myself and saying that I'm the wittiest,

777
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:06,879
Speaker 2: but god, now, I've never thought about this, so I'm

778
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 2: having to think about it now and therefore not doing

779
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 2: as deep a dive as I could.

780
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:12,879
Speaker 3: But probably mean it probably would be.

781
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 2: Her because she does like to be she does like

782
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:20,799
Speaker 2: to be the center of attentional and I can't say

783
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:25,799
Speaker 2: that I don't and I think that I think that

784
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:28,399
Speaker 2: she's probably a lot. I mean, she's definitely a lot

785
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 2: more vulnerable than she wants to appear.

786
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:32,360
Speaker 3: To people.

787
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 2: So I mean I would go I could go with her, probably.

788
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, I'm as clumsy and clueless as

789
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 2: Suki as but I I'm gonna go with Laura La

790
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:43,879
Speaker 2: for now.

791
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Okay. And you, as you mentioned, you have

792
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 1: a sixteen year old son seventeen now, he just turns

793
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 1: seventeen years seventeen. Wow, Yeah, what are some of the

794
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 1: values that you're hoping to pass down to him.

795
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 2: I mean i'd say that I say that as we

796
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 2: as we were in this period where dads and their

797
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:06,840
Speaker 2: kids do the same thing. I think that I was

798
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:11,359
Speaker 2: saying good women and their daughters do. I mean, I

799
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 2: do think a strong work ethic, being willing to sweat

800
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 2: and be sore at the end of the day. You know,

801
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 2: I had to do that as a kid, and I

802
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 2: stumbled into a career where I don't as much and

803
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 2: as a result, don't have.

804
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 3: To make him as much.

805
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 2: So I hope to kind of push him to be

806
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 2: uncomfortable sometimes. I think it's important for all of us,

807
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 2: and I think sometimes we've gotten especially as with some

808
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:43,839
Speaker 2: of the younger generations. Now I'm going to really get

809
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 2: people pissed to me where we try to make life

810
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,360
Speaker 2: as easy and pleasant for them as possible, which obviously

811
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:53,799
Speaker 2: you want to do for your kids, right, But then

812
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 2: when you get in the real world and things aren't

813
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 2: easy and pleasant, you don't know how to deal with it,

814
00:43:57,960 --> 00:43:59,359
Speaker 2: you don't know how to cope with it, you don't

815
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 2: have the coping skills necessary. And so I think that

816
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 2: being uncomfortable helps us create, helps us create the coping

817
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 2: skills we need to be successful in every situation. So

818
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 2: I kind of I mean, I do hope at times

819
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:20,399
Speaker 2: he's uncomfortable and can be more a better problem solver

820
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:20,799
Speaker 2: for that.

821
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:25,839
Speaker 1: Reason, right, right, are you team Jess or team Dean?

822
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 2: I'm probably team Dean, but that again, that's only because

823
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 2: I think Jared's cute. I mean, listen, listen, I would't

824
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:36,719
Speaker 2: tick either one. I'm out of bed, all right, So.

825
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:41,239
Speaker 1: Who do you side with in this episode? Laura I

826
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:44,880
Speaker 1: or Luke in this episode?

827
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:48,760
Speaker 2: Well, I mean cannot considering the context from other ones,

828
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 2: I would side with Laura, I because she is just

829
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:57,319
Speaker 2: trying to defend her kid, right, And you have to

830
00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 2: understand the motivation for someone who's just trying to defend

831
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 2: their kid. If you take into account, you know, the

832
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 2: other factors, like at the very least, I mean, the

833
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 2: fact that Jess's background and how he's sort of treated poorly,

834
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 2: then you obviously start seeing Luke's positions more clearly, Right,

835
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 2: So I could side with him. But if I'm just

836
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:22,839
Speaker 2: looking at this episode just understanding that there's been an

837
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 2: accident and my kid's hurt and it's a kid who

838
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 2: and it was with a kid who has a reputation

839
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 2: for or and you got a side with Laura, you

840
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:35,799
Speaker 2: see where she's coming from. But I think we see

841
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 2: later on more facets to the story. And we saw

842
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:43,360
Speaker 2: a little bit before before and after this episode, we

843
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:47,319
Speaker 2: see more. And I would probably be personally inclined to

844
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 2: be on Luke's side because I like to try to

845
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 2: be more empathetic that way. But you can't blame them

846
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 2: parent for being selfish for their kid to defend their kid.

847
00:45:57,760 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 1: No, No, absolutely not.

848
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 2: Especially given that she doesn't know everything that she wont

849
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 2: you know, at some point might.

850
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 1: Right, any plans to tour anytime soon, I'm going to

851
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:08,759
Speaker 1: get it back out.

852
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 3: Well, you know, I stopped.

853
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:13,440
Speaker 2: I stopped performing for years and just have gotten back

854
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 2: into it a little bit. So my kid's old enough

855
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:19,920
Speaker 2: now that he wants me to leave as much as possible,

856
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:26,800
Speaker 2: and he and and he doesn't need supervision all the time.

857
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:31,240
Speaker 2: So I've I'm getting back into performing and doing stuff,

858
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 2: and I do plan on doing some shows. I don't

859
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:37,400
Speaker 2: know if there'll be a tour in the next six months,

860
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:39,840
Speaker 2: but there's going to be music and new music.

861
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 3: That's the plan.

862
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:43,319
Speaker 2: Which is which is a new thing for me because

863
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:44,760
Speaker 2: I haven't done that in fifteen years.

864
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:48,440
Speaker 1: Oh, that's going to be exciting for your fans. Anyway,

865
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 1: Good luck with everything, and hope to see you back

866
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:54,720
Speaker 1: out there on the road doing your thing and making

867
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 1: people happy. Klay Can thank you for your time, much appreciated.

868
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 1: Thank you best fans on the planet. And remember I'm

869
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 1: going to be in Brighton, Michigan at a Gilmour fan

870
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 1: fest on September Gosh, twenty is it gonna be twenty ninety?

871
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:17,280
Speaker 1: That weekend Friday and Saturday of that weekend September twentieth,

872
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 1: can't wait to see everybody out there. It's Lorgie Margie.

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