WEBVTT - Ep82 "Why Do Your 30 Trillion Cells Feel Like a Self?" Part 1

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<v Speaker 1>Although every cell in your body changes such that you

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<v Speaker 1>are never again the same person physically, and your neural

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<v Speaker 1>networks change every hour of your life as you absorb

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<v Speaker 1>new experiences. Why do you have an illusion of consistency,

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<v Speaker 1>as though you're the same person you were a week

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<v Speaker 1>ago or a year ago. What does this have to

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<v Speaker 1>do with the mythical watercraft of the Greek demigod Theseus?

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<v Speaker 1>What is the end of history illusion? And why do

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<v Speaker 1>you go through so much trouble to make things comfortable

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<v Speaker 1>for your future self even though you don't know that

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<v Speaker 1>person and you can be guaranteed that that person is

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<v Speaker 1>not going to feel the same way you do now.

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<v Speaker 1>And if there were an afterlife, what age would your

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<v Speaker 1>deity dial you to for living out eternity? Welcome to

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<v Speaker 1>Inner Cosmos with me David Eagleman. I'm a neuroscientist and

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<v Speaker 1>an author at Stanford and in these episodes we dive

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<v Speaker 1>deeply into our three pound universe to uncover some of

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<v Speaker 1>the most surprising aspects of our lives. Today, we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about the notion of having a self and

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<v Speaker 1>what that has to do with our memory. And this

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<v Speaker 1>is a big topic, so we're going to do this

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<v Speaker 1>in two parts. Today, we're going to talk about how

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<v Speaker 1>and why we think of ourselves as lasting through time

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<v Speaker 1>and what that has to do with our memories. And

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<v Speaker 1>in next week's episode, part two, I'm going to talk

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<v Speaker 1>with my colleague, neuroscientist Michael Levin, one of the most

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<v Speaker 1>energized and original thinkers in the field, and I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to talk with him about the way which memories can

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<v Speaker 1>be thought of like little creatures of their own that

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<v Speaker 1>carry messages in a bottle from one version of you

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<v Speaker 1>to the next. So for today, let's start in ancient Greece,

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<v Speaker 1>where the historian Bluetarch wrote about a tough puzzle that

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<v Speaker 1>had been floating around in the Greek philosopher circles, and

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<v Speaker 1>they were all arguing about it. The puzzle was this,

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<v Speaker 1>imagine the ship of Theseus. Theseus was the hero in

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<v Speaker 1>Greek mythology who slayed the minotaur. The idea is that

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<v Speaker 1>Theseus and his crew of Athenians sail back from Crete

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<v Speaker 1>and dock his wonderful ship. But then the ship sits

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<v Speaker 1>in harbor for a long time and one of the

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<v Speaker 1>planks starts to rot, so it gets replaced with new

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<v Speaker 1>and stronger timber, and then that happens with another plank

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<v Speaker 1>on the ship, and another, and eventually, with enough time,

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<v Speaker 1>the entire ship gets replaced, meaning that a single plank

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<v Speaker 1>is the same as what it was when the ship

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<v Speaker 1>first docked. And the question is is it the same

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<v Speaker 1>ship of Theseus or is it not his ship anymore?

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<v Speaker 1>Because every single part has been replaced. Plutarch suggested that

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<v Speaker 1>half the philosophers in Greece argue the ship is still

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<v Speaker 1>the same ship because it retains its identity despite the

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<v Speaker 1>changes to its parts, and the other half of philosophers,

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<v Speaker 1>he suggested, argued that the ship is not the same

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<v Speaker 1>ship because no part of it is the same. So

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<v Speaker 1>for thousands of years, the Ship of Theseus has been

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<v Speaker 1>a thought experiment that surfaces these tough questions about identity

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<v Speaker 1>and change. By the way, there are lots of variants

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<v Speaker 1>on this. My father had an axe in the garage,

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<v Speaker 1>and he would always hold it up and tell me

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<v Speaker 1>this was actually George Washington's axe. Oh, but the handle

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<v Speaker 1>has been replaced twelve times and the axe head has

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<v Speaker 1>been replaced for times. It was obviously a joke, but

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<v Speaker 1>it got me thinking from a young age about the

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<v Speaker 1>nature of identity in the face of change. Does something

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<v Speaker 1>retain its identity if all departs change? Now, why would

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<v Speaker 1>a neuroscience podcast care about the Ship of Theseus or

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<v Speaker 1>George Washington's acts. It's because that kind of wholesale replacement

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<v Speaker 1>is precisely what's happening to your brain and your entire body.

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<v Speaker 1>A big part of the mystery of selfhood has to

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<v Speaker 1>do with the fact that all the pieces and parts

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<v Speaker 1>that make up you are constantly turning over. Your body

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<v Speaker 1>is built out of thirty trillion cells, and this is

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<v Speaker 1>just cellular stuff. Every bit of the cells has a lifetime.

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<v Speaker 1>Most of the cells die or subdivide at some point.

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<v Speaker 1>But even those cells that stick around your whole life

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<v Speaker 1>and don't divide, like your neurons, they're totally different every

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<v Speaker 1>few years. Why because brain cells aren't made out of

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<v Speaker 1>something stable like metal or cement. Instead, they're made out

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<v Speaker 1>of the basic proteins and lipids and other molecules that

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<v Speaker 1>make up any cell in the body, and those things

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<v Speaker 1>aren't particularly stable. So every single neuron and every cell

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<v Speaker 1>in your body is like the Ship of Theseus. Every

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<v Speaker 1>part of it is getting rebuilt all the time, one

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<v Speaker 1>planket a time, or in this case one molecule at

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<v Speaker 1>a time. The pieces and parts of the cell have

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<v Speaker 1>no meaningful stability, and so a big part of all

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<v Speaker 1>that cellular machinery is simply building and rebuilding and rebuilding,

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<v Speaker 1>and in this way everything gets replaced. So who you

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<v Speaker 1>are physically changes all the time, and the question is

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<v Speaker 1>how does your self stay intact over this changing substrate.

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<v Speaker 1>The answer is it's not clear that it does. But

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<v Speaker 1>cognitively you have this illusion of stability. You are one being.

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<v Speaker 1>You've spent your whole life with a fixed history, as in,

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<v Speaker 1>I grew up here, here's my name, this was my hometown,

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<v Speaker 1>these are my parents. This is how my trajectory in

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<v Speaker 1>life has unfolded, leading me from here to there to there.

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<v Speaker 1>And so we tend to hold the impression that our

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<v Speaker 1>identities are something very stable, but in fact who you

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<v Speaker 1>are drifts in this light. It's always struck me as

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<v Speaker 1>funny to think about the notion of an afterlife, because

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<v Speaker 1>what age would you be Depending on when you get there,

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<v Speaker 1>you might be a very different person than you were

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<v Speaker 1>even five years before that. And so all this inspired

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<v Speaker 1>me to write a short story that's published in my

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<v Speaker 1>book Some sum and I'm going to read that story

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<v Speaker 1>to illustrate the questions of this episode. The story is

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<v Speaker 1>called Prism. God resolved at the outset that he wanted

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<v Speaker 1>every human to partippaid in the afterlife, but the plans

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<v Speaker 1>weren't thought out to completion, and immediately he began to

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<v Speaker 1>run up against some confusion about age. How old should

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<v Speaker 1>each person be in the afterlife. Should this grandmother exist

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<v Speaker 1>here at her age of death, or should she be

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<v Speaker 1>allowed to live as a young woman, recognizable to her

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<v Speaker 1>first lover but not to her granddaughter. He decided it

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<v Speaker 1>was unfair to keep people the age they were at

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<v Speaker 1>the end of their lives, when much of their beauty

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<v Speaker 1>and alacrity had been worn down. Allowing everyone to live

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<v Speaker 1>as a young adult proved an unviable solution, because the

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<v Speaker 1>afterlife quickly degenerated into unbounded sexual pursuits, and at middle

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<v Speaker 1>ages they talked only about their children and mortgages, making

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<v Speaker 1>conversations in the afterlife. Tedious God finally landed on an

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<v Speaker 1>ingenious solution while watching light diffract through a prism. So

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<v Speaker 1>when you arrive here, you are split into your multiple

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<v Speaker 1>selves at all possible ages. The you that existed as

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<v Speaker 1>a single identity is now all ages at once. These

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<v Speaker 1>pieces of you no longer get old, but remain ageless

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<v Speaker 1>into perpetuity. The ewes have transcended time. This takes them

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<v Speaker 1>getting used to The different beams of you might run

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<v Speaker 1>into each other at the grocery store, like separate people

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<v Speaker 1>do in earth life. Your seventy six year old self

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<v Speaker 1>may revisit his favorite creek and run into your eleven

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<v Speaker 1>year old self. Your twenty eight year old self may

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<v Speaker 1>break up with a lover and a diner and notice

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<v Speaker 1>your thirty five year old self visiting that spot, lingering

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<v Speaker 1>on the air of regret hanging over the empty seat. Typically,

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<v Speaker 1>the different youws are happy to see each other because

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<v Speaker 1>they possess the same name in a shared history. But

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<v Speaker 1>the ewes are more critical of yourselves than they are

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<v Speaker 1>of others, and so each you quickly identifies habits that

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<v Speaker 1>get under your skin. It's a fact of the afterlife.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't be surprised to discover that after decomposition into your

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<v Speaker 1>different ages, the different us tend to drift apart. You

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<v Speaker 1>discover that the you of eight years old has less

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<v Speaker 1>than common than expected with the U of thirty two

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<v Speaker 1>and the U of sixty four. The eighteen year old

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<v Speaker 1>you finds more in common with other eighteen year olds

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<v Speaker 1>than with your seventy three year old you. The seventy

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<v Speaker 1>three year old you doesn't mind a bit seeking out

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<v Speaker 1>meaningful conversations with others of the same generation. Beyond the name,

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<v Speaker 1>the us have little else in common, but don't lose hope.

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<v Speaker 1>The shared resume of life, parents, birthplace, hometown, school, years,

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<v Speaker 1>first kiss has a magnetic nostalgic pull. So once in

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<v Speaker 1>a while, the different yous organize a gathering like a

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<v Speaker 1>family reunion, bringing together all your ages into a single room.

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<v Speaker 1>At these reunions, the middle aged will delightedly pinch the

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<v Speaker 1>cheeks of the young, and the teenagers will politely listen

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<v Speaker 1>to the stories and advice of the elderly. These reunions

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<v Speaker 1>reveal a group of individuals touchingly searching for a common theme.

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<v Speaker 1>They appeal to your name as a unifying structure, but

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<v Speaker 1>they come to realize that the name that existed on earth,

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<v Speaker 1>the you that moved serially through these different identities, was

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<v Speaker 1>like a bundle of sticks from different trees. They come

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<v Speaker 1>to understand with awe the complexity of the compound identity

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<v Speaker 1>that existed on the earth. They conclude with a shudder,

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<v Speaker 1>that the earthly you is utterly lost, unpreserved in the afterlife.

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<v Speaker 1>You were all these ages, they concede, and you were none.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're changing all the time. But why is it

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<v Speaker 1>hard to keep track of these changes. Obviously it's because

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<v Speaker 1>everything in our lives and our biology changes so slowly.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like the hour hand of a clock. You can

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<v Speaker 1>see that it's moved, but you can't see it move.

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<v Speaker 1>In general, we can see change most readily in the

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<v Speaker 1>growth of our children. You look back at photographs from

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<v Speaker 1>a year ago on your phone and you can't believe

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<v Speaker 1>how much things have changed. But it's hard to keep

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<v Speaker 1>track of the changes in yourself. A friend of my

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<v Speaker 1>parents went to his high school reunion, which was taking

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<v Speaker 1>place at a hotel, and he went around looking at

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<v Speaker 1>the different conference rooms to figure out which one was

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<v Speaker 1>the correct class, because they were divided up by decades,

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<v Speaker 1>And he thought he found the right room, but he

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<v Speaker 1>popped his head in and he realized that's completely not

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<v Speaker 1>the right room. All of those are very old people.

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<v Speaker 1>And then he stepped back and looked at the sign

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<v Speaker 1>and realized that indeed this was the correct room, and

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<v Speaker 1>he too must presumably look that old to others, even

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<v Speaker 1>if he still thought of himself as young on the inside.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's hard to keep track of our own changes

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<v Speaker 1>because they happen slowly. But maybe the thing that binds

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<v Speaker 1>your self together across the ever changing physical substrate is

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<v Speaker 1>the one thing you have that remains constant, your memory.

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<v Speaker 1>Memory ties all these versions of you together. Memory serves

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<v Speaker 1>as the thread that weaves through all these transformations, anchoring

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<v Speaker 1>a sense of self. So that sounds very nice, but

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<v Speaker 1>there's a fundamental problem with this, which is that memory

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<v Speaker 1>itself is not stable. It drifts, and I've talked about

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<v Speaker 1>this in several episodes. Memory is not a faithful, unchanging

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<v Speaker 1>record of the past. It's instead a fragile brain state,

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<v Speaker 1>and it needs to be reactivated and reconstructed each time

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<v Speaker 1>you recall it. And in this process, memories morph, So

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<v Speaker 1>we can't really think of them as an archive. They're

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<v Speaker 1>more of a story which we continually rewrite. And that

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<v Speaker 1>would be fine to keep rewriting a story, except that

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<v Speaker 1>we assume at all times that our memories form the

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<v Speaker 1>core of a stable identity. So let me give an

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<v Speaker 1>example of how memories change Imagine that you and two

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<v Speaker 1>friends were at some rooftop party and you were best

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<v Speaker 1>friends since college, and the night was full of jokes

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<v Speaker 1>and old stories, and you remember feeling grateful for this

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<v Speaker 1>bond that you shared, and you can still picture the

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<v Speaker 1>three of you by the fireplace, vowing to never let

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<v Speaker 1>life pull you apart. But now, a year later, everything

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<v Speaker 1>has changed. Those two guys are now enemies. It all

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<v Speaker 1>fell apart because one of them had an affair with

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<v Speaker 1>the other's girlfriend. So now when you think back on

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<v Speaker 1>that rooftop party, you wonder was there something in the

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<v Speaker 1>way he and the other guy's girlfriend exchanged glances across

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<v Speaker 1>the room? You now think you sort of remember there

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<v Speaker 1>were little stolen looks, there was some subtle tension in

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<v Speaker 1>the air. Did your other friends sense that something was funny?

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<v Speaker 1>Even then, the memory that once felt warm and comforting

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<v Speaker 1>now feels different, like a scene in a movie that

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<v Speaker 1>you're watching for the second time but noticing new things now.

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<v Speaker 1>The past hasn't changed, but your present knowledge of what

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<v Speaker 1>came after that party colors the memory and reshapes it,

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<v Speaker 1>and it makes you question what was really there and

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<v Speaker 1>what you've unconsciously added. Memory is slippery, like that, the

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<v Speaker 1>more you revisit it, the more it shifts and blurs,

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<v Speaker 1>which reminds me of a great quotation from Sigmund Freud

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<v Speaker 1>on this topic. In eighteen ninety six, he wrote a

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<v Speaker 1>letter to to a colleague about quote, the material present

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<v Speaker 1>in the form of memory traces being subjected from time

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<v Speaker 1>to time to a rearrangement in accordance with fresh circumstances,

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<v Speaker 1>to a retranscription. And there's another quotation that I cite

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<v Speaker 1>often from a writer named John Dufresny, who once wrote

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<v Speaker 1>that quote, Memory is a myth making machine. What we

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<v Speaker 1>do is keep revising our past to keep it consistent

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<v Speaker 1>with who we think we are. So here's where we

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<v Speaker 1>are so far. Our biology is always changing, and so

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<v Speaker 1>the thing that crosses time is our memory. But even

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<v Speaker 1>that changes all the time, drifting or warping or disintegrating altogether.

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<v Speaker 1>And as a result, who you are is always on

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<v Speaker 1>the move. Now, I've been speaking as though we're not

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<v Speaker 1>always aware of so much change happening over time, But

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<v Speaker 1>of course we can come to be aware of this

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<v Speaker 1>in some circumstances. For example, when you look back at

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<v Speaker 1>a diary entry that you wrote some years ago, it's

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<v Speaker 1>often surprising how much you've changed, how much the person

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<v Speaker 1>who held that pen is a bit different than who

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<v Speaker 1>you are now. So we do confront this sometimes. But

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<v Speaker 1>what's weird is despite the massive changes that happen in

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<v Speaker 1>our past, we always think that there will be little

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<v Speaker 1>change in the future. We've changed a lot up until now,

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<v Speaker 1>but now we've settled into place and there won't be

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<v Speaker 1>much change from here. And this is a cognitive illusion

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<v Speaker 1>known as the end of history illusion. In other words,

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<v Speaker 1>we can recognize significant changes in ourselves when we think

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<v Speaker 1>about our past, but we underestimate how much we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to change in the future. We acknowledge that we've grown

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<v Speaker 1>or evolved, but we incorrectly assume that who we are

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<v Speaker 1>right now is pretty close to our final or mature

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<v Speaker 1>version of ourselves. This end of history illusion was first

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<v Speaker 1>studied by psychology just like Daniel Gilbert and his colleagues,

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<v Speaker 1>and they surveyed people on their values and their preferences,

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<v Speaker 1>their personality traits, their life goals, and across the board.

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<v Speaker 1>They found that people consistently believe that they've undergone more

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<v Speaker 1>change in the past than they will in the future.

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<v Speaker 1>But of course it's an illusion because change is a

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<v Speaker 1>continuous process. In other words, if I ask you now

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<v Speaker 1>if you've essentially finished changing in life, if you're likes

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<v Speaker 1>and personality have settled, you'll say yeah. But if I

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<v Speaker 1>track you down and ask you again in five years,

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<v Speaker 1>you'll say, actually, the past five years did hold a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of change for me, but now I've finally arrived

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<v Speaker 1>at my stable self. And it's the same story if

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<v Speaker 1>I survey you five years after that. And this is

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<v Speaker 1>problematic because, for example, we're always trying to predict our

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<v Speaker 1>future emotions. You think, oh, if I get that job promotion,

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<v Speaker 1>or if I'm in this relationship, or if I have kids,

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<v Speaker 1>or if I don't have kids, this will make me happy.

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<v Speaker 1>Or if I lose this job and I have to

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<v Speaker 1>find a new one, that's going to make me miserable.

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<v Speaker 1>This is what psychologists call affective forecasting, where we project

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<v Speaker 1>how we think we're going to feel, but it's based

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<v Speaker 1>on your current limited knowledge about the world, and that

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<v Speaker 1>might change. So why do we have an end of

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<v Speaker 1>history illusion. Well, presumably it's because it's easier for us

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<v Speaker 1>to see the past changes because we have memories and

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<v Speaker 1>experiences to draw from, but future changes are hidden in

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<v Speaker 1>the mists of the future. We don't know what they are,

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<v Speaker 1>so let me give you some concrete examples of this.

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<v Speaker 1>Think about the way we have our career goals. As

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<v Speaker 1>a thirty year old, you might look back and realize

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<v Speaker 1>your career aspirations have changed, maybe significantly, from the time

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<v Speaker 1>you were twenty, but you might assume that your current

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<v Speaker 1>career goals are unlikely to change much in the next

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<v Speaker 1>ten years, even though lots of people shift career paths

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<v Speaker 1>or professional interests throughout life. Or think about your music

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<v Speaker 1>preferences you are older. You may recognize that your taste

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<v Speaker 1>in music has evolved since your teenage years. Maybe you

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<v Speaker 1>went from popper rock to maybe jazz or classical. But

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<v Speaker 1>despite that, you're likely to believe that your current musical

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<v Speaker 1>preferences are going to remain stable for the rest of

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<v Speaker 1>your life, even though your musical tastes are going to

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<v Speaker 1>keep evolving with exposure to new genres and bands and

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<v Speaker 1>instruments that don't even exist yet. We're thinking about friendships.

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<v Speaker 1>In your early twenties, you might reflect on how your

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<v Speaker 1>circle of friends has changed from high school to college.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a big shift in relationships there, but you might

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<v Speaker 1>simultaneously feel certain that the college friends you have now

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<v Speaker 1>are going to be your closest companions for life. That's

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<v Speaker 1>a totally understandable position, but it underestimates how friendships shift

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<v Speaker 1>as you enter different life stages, like when you start

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<v Speaker 1>a family or you move to a new city. The

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<v Speaker 1>same reasoning applies to everything, So take hobbies and interest

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<v Speaker 1>When you're in your fish, you notice that you've taken

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<v Speaker 1>up new hobbies and given up old ones over the years,

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<v Speaker 1>but you'll generally believe that your current interests will remain

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<v Speaker 1>consistent for the coming decades, when in fact, new hobbies

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<v Speaker 1>and interests will still emerge. You just can't see that

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<v Speaker 1>because they're ensconced in the dark forest of the future.

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<v Speaker 1>Possibly there's some new technology that you're going to be

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<v Speaker 1>obsessed with that hasn't even been invented or named yet. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>And the one that's really hard for us to admit

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<v Speaker 1>to is future changes in our political values and social beliefs,

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<v Speaker 1>and possibly religious beliefs. When you look back on any

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<v Speaker 1>of your beliefs from a decade ago, you can sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>see there have been some changes. But again, we tend

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<v Speaker 1>to assume that our current values are now locked into

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<v Speaker 1>place for the rest of our lives. We all fail

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<v Speaker 1>to anticipate that our worldview is going to continue to

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<v Speaker 1>get reshaped by life experiences, by new information, by changing

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<v Speaker 1>social contexts. In a decade, we might not be precisely

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<v Speaker 1>who we are right now. Now, this whole end of

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<v Speaker 1>history illusion wouldn't really matter for our lives, except that

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<v Speaker 1>it affects how we make decisions. Because so much of

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<v Speaker 1>what you do is in service to the assumed future you.

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<v Speaker 1>You suffer through courses and trainings now to make things

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<v Speaker 1>better for your future you. You sweat through a workout

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<v Speaker 1>so your future you will have a better body. You

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<v Speaker 1>put your money into retirement plans to make sure that

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<v Speaker 1>the future you has the resources that you predict that

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<v Speaker 1>stranger will need. The difficulty simply is that we're not

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<v Speaker 1>good predictors. You don't really know who that person is.

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<v Speaker 1>That person shares your name and your history, but the

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<v Speaker 1>fact is that person might be very different than the

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<v Speaker 1>current you. So you're donating your retirement money for this

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<v Speaker 1>future person that you can essentially guarantee will be not

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<v Speaker 1>who you currently believe. That person might vote for the

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<v Speaker 1>other political party, the what you would never vote for

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<v Speaker 1>and yet you're slaving away and handing over all your

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<v Speaker 1>money to that maniac. And you also do stuff assuming

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<v Speaker 1>the best about your future self, but sometimes that's not

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<v Speaker 1>useful either. We tend to assume that our future self

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<v Speaker 1>will be more motivated or disciplined than we are today.

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<v Speaker 1>So because of that, you might sign up for an

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<v Speaker 1>expensive gym membership believing that you'll be more committed in

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<v Speaker 1>the future, but then you don't really follow through. Your

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<v Speaker 1>future self isn't as on board with the plan as

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<v Speaker 1>your past self believed it would be. As a related example,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm chronically over committed because at every moment I assume

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<v Speaker 1>that my future self is going to be less busy

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<v Speaker 1>than I am now, and so I say yes to

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<v Speaker 1>future invitations or obligations like taking on big new projects

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<v Speaker 1>or attending multiple social events, And when the time arrives,

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<v Speaker 1>my future me wishes that my past me hadn't over committed.

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<v Speaker 1>And more generally, we fall victim to lots of planning fallacies.

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<v Speaker 1>We underestimate how long it's going to take to complete

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<v Speaker 1>some task. You might think cool, I can knock that

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<v Speaker 1>thing out in a week, and then you find that

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<v Speaker 1>it takes twice as long now. That happens because we

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<v Speaker 1>typically fail to correctly predict all the possible setbacks and

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<v Speaker 1>complexities that will run into in the future. My favorite

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<v Speaker 1>example of a planning fallacy is with a gentleman named

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<v Speaker 1>James Murray who in eighteen seventy eight set out to

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<v Speaker 1>write the for the English Dictionary, and the idea was

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<v Speaker 1>to capture all the words in the English speaking world

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<v Speaker 1>and give definitions for all of their various shades of meaning.

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<v Speaker 1>And this seemed like a big undertaking, but not big

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<v Speaker 1>enough that he couldn't complete it in a few years.

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<v Speaker 1>So he worked on this for thirty six years until

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<v Speaker 1>he died, and then several editors took up the mantle

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<v Speaker 1>after him, and the first edition of the Oxford English

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<v Speaker 1>Dictionary was finally completed seventy years after he began. He

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<v Speaker 1>totally misapprehended the size of the project, and if I

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<v Speaker 1>were here, I presumably would have done the same. So

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<v Speaker 1>as a result of this sort of planning fallacy, we're

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<v Speaker 1>constantly making decisions that our future selves are going to

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<v Speaker 1>regret or disagree with. Why. It's not because we're idiots now,

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<v Speaker 1>but instead because our circumstances and our preferences and our

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<v Speaker 1>priorities are to change over time. Okay, so let me

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<v Speaker 1>zoom back out to the big picture. We are creatures

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<v Speaker 1>who live and change through time, but we're yoked with

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<v Speaker 1>this illusion that we are unchanging, and so we misremember

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<v Speaker 1>our past and we work hard for future versions of

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<v Speaker 1>ourselves who we assume will be like us, but they

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<v Speaker 1>may not be. And by the way, there are all

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<v Speaker 1>kinds of complex relationships between your future self and your

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<v Speaker 1>past self through time, so it gets pretty crowded. Your

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<v Speaker 1>past self says, oh, I'm not gonna worry about my

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<v Speaker 1>future self, and your future self looks back and says,

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<v Speaker 1>what a jerk like. When people make the decision in

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<v Speaker 1>the short term to postpone their education or splurge on

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<v Speaker 1>some overpriced thing, and then your future self thinks, dang,

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<v Speaker 1>I wish I'd gone to that class or spent my

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<v Speaker 1>money on something more meaningful or necessary. This comes up

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<v Speaker 1>for many people. In terms of retirement savings. People will

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<v Speaker 1>make the decision to spend now rather than save for

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<v Speaker 1>their future self. They keep thinking, oh, I'll start saving later,

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<v Speaker 1>But then as retirement approaches, your future self feels mad

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<v Speaker 1>at your past self and wished as you had started

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<v Speaker 1>saving earlier, and I suspect this is true. Anytime we

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<v Speaker 1>choose instant gratification over long term goals, our future selves

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<v Speaker 1>look back and they're mad about it. And all this

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<v Speaker 1>highlights the challenge of balancing short term desires with long

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<v Speaker 1>term outcomes. In other words, your self in the moment

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<v Speaker 1>now versus yourself in the future. So let's wrap up.

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<v Speaker 1>In the next episode, Part two, we're going to dive

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<v Speaker 1>deeper into all these paradoxes of the self by talking

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<v Speaker 1>with my colleague neuroscientist Mike Levin, who wrote a recent

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<v Speaker 1>paper in which he pointed out that quote if we

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<v Speaker 1>do not change, learning and growth is impossible. If we

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<v Speaker 1>do change, does not the current self cease to exist

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<v Speaker 1>in an important sense end quote. So let's summarize where

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<v Speaker 1>we got in this episode. We began by looking at

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<v Speaker 1>the illusion of continuity, and we use the ancient thought

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<v Speaker 1>experiment of the ship of Theseus, where one plank of

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<v Speaker 1>the ship gets replaced at a time, and we can

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<v Speaker 1>ask is it still the ship of theseus after every

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<v Speaker 1>plank has been replaced. We looked at this question because

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<v Speaker 1>we are always surfing on top of constant physical changes,

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<v Speaker 1>and yet we perceive ourselves as consistent over time. The

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<v Speaker 1>planks and theseus's ship are the cells and molecules in

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<v Speaker 1>your body, and this foregrounds the question about what makes

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<v Speaker 1>you the same person over time. We asked the question

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<v Speaker 1>of whether we can really say that memory is the

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<v Speaker 1>thread holding identity together, because the truth is that memory

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<v Speaker 1>is far from reliable. It's constantly being rewritten. And finally,

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<v Speaker 1>we touched on a cognitive bias known as the end

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<v Speaker 1>of history illusion, which is where we massively underestimate how

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<v Speaker 1>much we're going to change in the future, even though

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<v Speaker 1>we're aware that we've changed in the past. We tend

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<v Speaker 1>to believe that our current tastes and values and personalities

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<v Speaker 1>are going to remain consistent from here on out, even

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<v Speaker 1>though we keep on changing throughout our lives. So you

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<v Speaker 1>can't actually be your past self. But as we'll see

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<v Speaker 1>in part two next week, we constantly try to reconstruct

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<v Speaker 1>that person. We constantly try to revivify that past self

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<v Speaker 1>based on the evidence provided by reinterpreting the clues that

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<v Speaker 1>are left by them. In other words, the memories that

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<v Speaker 1>are buried in the neural network. In this view, memories

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<v Speaker 1>are like a message in a bottle thrown from your

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<v Speaker 1>present self into the ocean for someone to find, and

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<v Speaker 1>that someone is a future you who you don't necessarily know.

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