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<v Speaker 1>Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio the George

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<v Speaker 1>Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.

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<v Speaker 2>Arm Strong and Getty and he Armstrong and Getty.

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<v Speaker 3>The stunning breach in national security involving the ongoing highly

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<v Speaker 3>classified US attacks targeting Hoothy rebels in Yemen. The details

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<v Speaker 3>reportedly discussed openly over a group chat on the unauthorized

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<v Speaker 3>signal app among members of President Trump's national security team.

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<v Speaker 3>The Atlantic, now revealing its editor in chief, who was

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<v Speaker 3>invited to join the group chat, says he was included

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<v Speaker 3>on all the sensitive information hours before the military strikes began.

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<v Speaker 3>President Trump pressed about the report, saying he didn't know

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<v Speaker 3>anything about it.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, so we'll play the Trump part here in just

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<v Speaker 4>a second. The timing of all this, nobody knows when

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<v Speaker 4>Trump was alerted to this.

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<v Speaker 2>You'd have to assume somebody told him.

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<v Speaker 4>He acts like he didn't know here when he's asked

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<v Speaker 4>about it by a reporter, But it was fink four

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<v Speaker 4>or five hours later, so he certainly somebody should have

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<v Speaker 4>hipped him to it. Well, let's let a reporter ask

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<v Speaker 4>the question and Trump respond, Mister President.

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<v Speaker 5>You reacted to the story of the Atlantic that said

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<v Speaker 5>that some of your top account officials and aids had

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<v Speaker 5>been discussing very sense of material from Signal and included

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<v Speaker 5>an Atlantic reporter for that.

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<v Speaker 2>What is your response to that?

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<v Speaker 6>In our opinions, I don't know anything about it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not a big fan of The Atlantic.

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<v Speaker 6>It's to me it's a magazine that's going out of business.

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<v Speaker 6>I think it's not much of a magazine. But I

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<v Speaker 6>know nothing about it. You're saying that they had what.

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<v Speaker 5>They were using signal to pour date on sets of

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<v Speaker 5>materials and.

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<v Speaker 6>Having to do with what, how did you do with what?

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<v Speaker 2>What were they talking about with the hookies? The who dies?

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<v Speaker 6>You mean the attack or the hood is Well, it

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<v Speaker 6>couldn't have been very effective, because the attack was very effective.

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<v Speaker 6>I can tell you that I don't know anything about it.

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<v Speaker 6>You're telling me about it for the first time.

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<v Speaker 4>I believe him. Okay, I don't, but that's fine. I

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<v Speaker 4>don't think he'd ever heard of Signal before yesterday. I'd

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<v Speaker 4>be surprised we had. And then him saying on signal

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<v Speaker 4>and then saying about the hoofies. I think that was

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<v Speaker 4>a great way to handle it through the day when

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<v Speaker 4>they tried to go with and the attack was successful.

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<v Speaker 4>So what's the problem, which is not a bad spin

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<v Speaker 4>on the whole story.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Trump has subsequently done a quick interview with NBC News quote,

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<v Speaker 1>Michael Waltz has learned a lesson and he's a good man. Actually,

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<v Speaker 1>all of a sudden, I got tickled in my throat. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I believe so, because it's believed that Waltz organized the

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<v Speaker 1>signal group that accidentally included Jeffrey Goldberg of the Atlantic,

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<v Speaker 1>which is a hell of a mistake to make.

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<v Speaker 2>I have my final analysis.

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<v Speaker 1>I have been able Supreme Court like to take in

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<v Speaker 1>all of the testimony and have come to a ruling.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'll wait for that.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, well, we'll let this unfold a little bit as

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<v Speaker 4>it did yesterday. She had Trump asked about it and

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<v Speaker 4>him saying he didn't know anything about it. And then

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<v Speaker 4>Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseath, who was on the chat

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<v Speaker 4>on Signal, which is a encrypted private messaging app.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a whole bunch of them out there, I guess

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<v Speaker 2>I'm finding out. I know of a couple of them.

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't know of this one, and it's either used

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<v Speaker 4>by everybody in DC all the time, or it's a

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<v Speaker 4>horrifying idea to use it.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll get to that.

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<v Speaker 4>A couple opinions on that coming up also, But here

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<v Speaker 4>getting off playing tarmac sect death, ask about it.

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<v Speaker 2>You're talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>A deceitful and highly discredited so called journalists who's made

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<v Speaker 1>a profession of pedaling hoax his time and time again.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm post details shared on signal and how did you

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<v Speaker 1>learn that a journalist was privy to the targets, the

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<v Speaker 1>types of weapons used.

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<v Speaker 2>I've heard of his character. Nobody was texting war plans.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's all I have to say about.

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<v Speaker 1>That is that a lawyer lead denial. Because if you

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<v Speaker 1>accept texting is messaging, MMS messaging, they weren't.

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<v Speaker 2>They were going through an encrypted message.

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<v Speaker 4>Or define war plans. Maybe it's a lawyer le denial. Okay,

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<v Speaker 4>Because Brit Hume of Fox after so sectef hegzeth there

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<v Speaker 4>said that a couple of hours after the administration said, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>that happened, the group text happened with the journalist and

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<v Speaker 4>all that sort of stuff actually happened. Britt Huma responded

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<v Speaker 4>to that on Twitter. Oh, for God's sake, the administration

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<v Speaker 4>has already confirmed the authenticity of the message about Pete

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<v Speaker 4>has saying it's a hack journalist, blah blah blah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's that's kind of weak.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, he just reported the truth, so and I

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<v Speaker 1>share his dim view of Jeffrey Goldberg.

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<v Speaker 4>But in this case, well here's Goldberg responding to Hegzet's

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<v Speaker 4>comment on CNN. The Goldsberg's the actual Goldberg is the

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<v Speaker 4>actual journalist who was on the chat by accident.

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<v Speaker 1>Nobody was texting war plans, given you were privated this

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<v Speaker 1>group chat, is that how you saw it?

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<v Speaker 7>No, that's a lie. He was texting war plans. He

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<v Speaker 7>was texting attack plans, when targets were going to be targeted,

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<v Speaker 7>how they were going to be targeted, who was at

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<v Speaker 7>the targets when the next sequence of attacks were happening.

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<v Speaker 7>I didn't publish this, and I continue not to publish

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<v Speaker 7>it because it felt like it was too confidential, too technical,

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<v Speaker 7>and I worry, honestly that sharing that kind of information

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<v Speaker 7>in public could endanger American military personnel. But no, they

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<v Speaker 7>were plans for the attack.

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<v Speaker 4>Toy's credit, he didn't run to Twitter or a microphone

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<v Speaker 4>or whatever to start shouting about this the moment he

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<v Speaker 4>found out about it, or more.

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<v Speaker 2>Likely published them in The Atlantic.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so one other part of it before what you're

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<v Speaker 4>calling it your ultimate point, Joe's ultimate point, Joe, Joe

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<v Speaker 4>nailed something.

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<v Speaker 2>Joe's final ruling.

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<v Speaker 4>So the idea of having the Secretary Defense, the Secretary

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<v Speaker 4>of State, the Vice President of the United States, the

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<v Speaker 4>CIA director, the d N I, I mean, the most

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<v Speaker 4>powerful people in all of our government discussing war plans

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<v Speaker 4>for an attack on this method, using this method of

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<v Speaker 4>communication that is telegrammer what is it? I can't remember

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<v Speaker 4>which one we're talking about. On signal it's either okay

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<v Speaker 4>or horrible.

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<v Speaker 1>So we'll start with Andrew McCabe, former FBI director who

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<v Speaker 1>liked he got preferred to the FISA court and violated

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<v Speaker 1>the Constitution. Yes, he had to step down. He got

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<v Speaker 1>convicted of something. I don't even understand how he's still

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<v Speaker 1>a but anyway, he's on CNN saying this.

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<v Speaker 8>So, convening a small group to discuss a military strike

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<v Speaker 8>on a commercially available messaging app is outrageous.

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<v Speaker 2>It's absolutely unthinkable.

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<v Speaker 8>I can't even imagine a scenario in which that would

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<v Speaker 8>have happened, or that anyone who was asked to engage

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<v Speaker 8>in it would agree without very quickly objecting and saying, hey,

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<v Speaker 8>this is content that we can't possibly expose on a

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<v Speaker 8>non classified system.

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<v Speaker 4>So I would say that as watching Mark Halprin's emergency

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<v Speaker 4>podcast last night, and I trust his opinion on these things.

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<v Speaker 4>He said, talking to people around DC, everybody just is

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<v Speaker 4>jaw dropped. They can't believe that this conversation was happening

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<v Speaker 4>on this app. I mean, they just can't believe it.

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<v Speaker 4>It's just, like he said, outrageous. On the other hand,

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<v Speaker 4>here you've got Lawrence Jones of Fox and Friends, who

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<v Speaker 4>has a lot of sources in the government, saying it

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<v Speaker 4>happens all the time.

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<v Speaker 9>As it relates to government officials using signal, they all

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<v Speaker 9>use it. They're not supposed to, but they use it.

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<v Speaker 9>But if you secret stuff, they use it. CIA every

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<v Speaker 9>single intelligence agency uses signal. I know that for a fact.

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<v Speaker 9>I talk to them on signal. They're sources of mind.

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<v Speaker 9>They all use signal.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh.

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<v Speaker 9>It is the best way and the most secure way

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<v Speaker 9>to get information out. And that's why a lot of

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<v Speaker 9>journals use it as well. They don't want it, they're

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<v Speaker 9>not supposed to do it, but they do it anyway.

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<v Speaker 4>So it's interesting I know, so outside of whatever even

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<v Speaker 4>happens with this little scandal, whether it's a big deal,

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<v Speaker 4>we got to nail down the hole. Are classified documents

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<v Speaker 4>actually classified?

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<v Speaker 1>Can you take them home or not? Or do you

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<v Speaker 1>have to go into the skiff to read them? Or

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<v Speaker 1>can you read them.

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<v Speaker 4>With your buddies, you know, sitting around watching football game,

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<v Speaker 4>or can you have conversations on these private apps or not.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's let's nail this down so well. Don't constantly have

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<v Speaker 1>these conversations.

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<v Speaker 2>And you're leaving out a big one too.

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<v Speaker 1>Are the very people in government who most need to

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<v Speaker 1>preserve records ignoring the preservation of records laws.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm glad you brought that up because that was one

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<v Speaker 4>of Mark Alpern's big point. He said, I doubt anybody

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<v Speaker 4>was transcribing this as it happened. And this one of

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<v Speaker 4>the reasons you're supposed to use the official government channels

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<v Speaker 4>is this is all supposed to be documented.

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<v Speaker 1>These are for the archives, for historians, for you know,

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<v Speaker 1>for US citizens to see how their government works.

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<v Speaker 2>And enforcement of law. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, so you don't have rogue operators going outside the constitution. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>the whole thing's pretty troubling, just one quick note, because

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<v Speaker 1>I can't resist. Matt Tayebe has come as close as

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<v Speaker 1>any human being has ever done to actually having his

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<v Speaker 1>head explode over an issue. And that is because he is.

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<v Speaker 1>If you read Matt, you know this insane with wonder

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<v Speaker 1>and anger that the demamocratic side of America has embraced

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<v Speaker 1>and lionized all of the worst lying spooks in our

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<v Speaker 1>recent history. You're Andrew mccabes, you're John Brennan's. Who is

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<v Speaker 1>the other guy who's always on that list? I can

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<v Speaker 1>picture them, but I can't think of his name. All

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<v Speaker 1>of the CIA and NSA guys and crooked FBI agents

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<v Speaker 1>are now on CNN and MSNBC because they're anti Trump.

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<v Speaker 1>But they're the very sort of thing the Democratic Party

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<v Speaker 1>for everybody's whole lives has despised and called out. They're

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<v Speaker 1>the unholy Satanic love children of Jay Edgar Hoover and

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<v Speaker 1>Richard Nixon, these guys, and the left has embraced them. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>That's just the quickest side. My final judgment is this,

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<v Speaker 1>there are a lot of interesting questions to be asked

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<v Speaker 1>about who is using, for instance, signal and in what way,

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<v Speaker 1>and how right and how wrong it was. This has

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<v Speaker 1>shown some real sloppiness. How does Jeffrey Goldberg get in

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<v Speaker 1>on the group? Because I guess on signal you use

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<v Speaker 1>like aliases and initials, and Waltz's screen name was Waltz,

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<v Speaker 1>Rubio's was mar short for Marco, and so somebody just

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<v Speaker 1>scanned it real quick and saw I don't know what

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<v Speaker 1>Goldberg's handle was, but just didn't notice it, And so

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<v Speaker 1>I went ahead and was texting.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's the problem.

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<v Speaker 1>Those not given access to the classified stuff can accidentally

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<v Speaker 1>or nefariously be on these these strings. It's sloppy, it's dumb.

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<v Speaker 1>Is it like fatal? These people should lose their jobs.

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<v Speaker 1>It's close.

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<v Speaker 4>Maybe I'm just naive about how things work, but I'm

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<v Speaker 4>surprised they don't all get together in a room with

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<v Speaker 4>very few exceptions, when you're two hours from launching an

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<v Speaker 4>attack on somebody, I would that rises to the level

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<v Speaker 4>of he let's take our Saturday or Sunday or whatever

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<v Speaker 4>day it was, and go ahead to go into the

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<v Speaker 4>office and sit there and discuss whether we're going to

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<v Speaker 4>launch the biggest military attack of the Trump administration.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, let's go ahead and drive in from Arlington and Fairfax.

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<v Speaker 4>And if there's some that's and if there's somebody on

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<v Speaker 4>the other side of the world, you get one of

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<v Speaker 4>those super secret, top level, you know, video connections, and

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<v Speaker 4>they talk to them there in the war room as

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<v Speaker 4>they discuss it. The fact that they're all just going

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<v Speaker 4>about their day, like I don't know what they were doing.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm at the grocery store and I'm at my kid's

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<v Speaker 4>soccer match or whatever, and we jump on this thing

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<v Speaker 4>and have a conversation. It seemed a little loosey goosey

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<v Speaker 4>to me, But maybe I'm naive. Maybe this happens all

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<v Speaker 4>the time.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, Well, one thing we haven't gotten to is

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<v Speaker 1>what the conversations have revealed about the balance of power

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<v Speaker 1>and philosophies foreign policy wise within the administration, which I

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<v Speaker 1>found really really interesting. I got the trans and encouraging. Honestly,

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's all, you know, good news. Some of

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<v Speaker 1>the folks opinions are you know, a little troubling to me,

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<v Speaker 1>but seems like a very healthy team of rivals type discussion.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, we only have this transcript because they accidentally invited

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<v Speaker 4>a journalist. Otherwise it would have been lost to history.

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<v Speaker 4>They wouldn't have would have never existed, and that interesting.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know what's your opinion on this text line

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<v Speaker 4>four one five two nine f KFTC.

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<v Speaker 1>Shortan ASH will send allow customers to pay for food

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<v Speaker 1>deliveries in several installments.

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<v Speaker 3>Great news if you've ever dreamed of one day owning

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<v Speaker 3>a Big Mac.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait a minute, I have had that happen yet before.

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<v Speaker 1>Break up the payments on a meal. Yeah, I've had

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<v Speaker 1>that happen before.

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<v Speaker 4>So like, I get some stuff for the kids, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>we order from Panda Express regularly, and then it says

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<v Speaker 4>would you.

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<v Speaker 1>Like to break up into payments? And I always think

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<v Speaker 1>that's hilarious. You know it's forty two dollars? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Can I get it over sixty months? What's the interest rate?

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<v Speaker 1>It's not the worst idea I've ever but it's in

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<v Speaker 1>the top three. Oh boy, do not get upside down

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<v Speaker 1>on Big Max. Oh you'd be upside down immediately because

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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna beat the well. Yeah, and if you don't,

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<v Speaker 1>the resale is well, it's not good.

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<v Speaker 2>I got a used big Back barely.

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<v Speaker 1>You know how when you drive a car off a

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<v Speaker 1>lot you lose one third of its value.

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<v Speaker 2>It's much worse for Hamburgers. Trust me. Okay.

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<v Speaker 4>So we were talking last hour about they're having trouble

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<v Speaker 4>with AI write and resumes, and so it's not like

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<v Speaker 4>the old days where you could say, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 4>look at the spelling on this resume or whatever. This

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<v Speaker 4>person can't work here, AI's writing for you grammar and

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<v Speaker 4>blah blah blah.

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<v Speaker 2>Had this actually happened yesterday.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm trying to I won't get distracted with what I

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<v Speaker 4>was trying to get this person to do. But I

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<v Speaker 4>was trying to basically hire someone to do something, and

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<v Speaker 4>was communicating with them through.

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<v Speaker 2>A chat place where they post accidentally included Jeffrey Goldberg

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<v Speaker 2>of The Atlantic. Yes.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh so it was like a bolton board thing, and

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<v Speaker 4>his bulletin board post was really well written and it

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<v Speaker 4>sounded great. So I reached out to him and then

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<v Speaker 4>like the first thing was really good and I thought, Okay,

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<v Speaker 4>this person's going to be good.

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<v Speaker 2>I think this is somebody I can trust.

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<v Speaker 4>But then when I got into questions like how about this,

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<v Speaker 4>or like individual questions, his answers like the grammar fell apart.

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<v Speaker 1>Completely, Like I mean it was like, are you I

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<v Speaker 1>thought you can't be a native English speaker. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>it was just it was almost nonsensical, and it happened

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<v Speaker 1>so fast after the initial posting, and then like the

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<v Speaker 1>initial thing they said, which was kind of generic, it

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<v Speaker 1>all completely fell apart, and I was wondering. I thought,

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<v Speaker 1>what the heck went on there? I couldn't figure it

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<v Speaker 1>out till today when you mentioned the AI resumes that's

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<v Speaker 1>almost guaranteed what it is. He's got the initial post,

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<v Speaker 1>he runs through that. Or I suppose he could have

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<v Speaker 1>his girlfriend write a for him or something like that.

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<v Speaker 4>But anyway, somebody else wrote it, and then the first

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<v Speaker 4>generic response and then when he got into the question

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<v Speaker 4>and answer, it made no sense whatsoever.

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<v Speaker 1>What's your gut feeling. Is it just somebody covering up

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<v Speaker 1>their inadequacies or a foreign scammer or what are you saying?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think it was a foreign scammer.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I think it was a non native English

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<v Speaker 1>speaker trying to hide that that not that that automatically

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<v Speaker 1>makes you unhiable or something like that. But I couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>communicate with them and it was sketchy, so I moved on.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, but that's going to be hard to suss

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<v Speaker 1>out in the future. Oh yeah, and I'm surprised he

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<v Speaker 1>didn't like keep up the ruse by running that stuff

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<v Speaker 1>through AI.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know how it all.

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<v Speaker 4>It would have been pretty hard because it was weird

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<v Speaker 4>down to the just back and forth communication texting at

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<v Speaker 4>that point. Yeah, but yeah, I'm sure if you're really

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<v Speaker 4>good with the technology, you could have AI doing that

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<v Speaker 4>in real time and then you'll you know, you'll meet

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<v Speaker 4>the person mowing your lawn or fixing your roof or

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<v Speaker 4>whatever the heck you're doing, you know, fishing guide whatever

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<v Speaker 4>you do with completely illiterate right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So the big story today is the Trump national

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<v Speaker 1>security team accidentally including a journalist on their super private

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<v Speaker 1>string of how we're going to attack the hu Thies

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<v Speaker 1>and when and whether the actual conversation in the differing

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<v Speaker 1>opinions and philosophies within the Trump team super interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll take a look at that in the moment.

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<v Speaker 1>Armstrong and Getty.

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<v Speaker 4>So there just coincidentally with this mini scandal or Maxi scandal,

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<v Speaker 4>depending on how it turns out. Going on around intelligence,

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<v Speaker 4>the big Senate hearing today where all the intelligence heads

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<v Speaker 4>come in and talk about the biggest threats around the world.

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<v Speaker 4>I love this every year and we always end up

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<v Speaker 4>talking about it because lots of interesting stuff comes out

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<v Speaker 4>of but because he had this kind of scandal thing happen,

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<v Speaker 4>which is about if you don't know what we're talking about,

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<v Speaker 4>it's about to be laid up by Mark Warner, Democrat,

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<v Speaker 4>co chair of this committee. Democrats have something to talk

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<v Speaker 4>about for the first time practically in the second Trump administration,

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<v Speaker 4>and they're so excited about it.

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<v Speaker 2>But here it goes.

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<v Speaker 10>And according to reports, two of our witnesses here today were.

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<v Speaker 2>Members of a group chat.

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<v Speaker 10>To discussed highly sensitive and likely classified information that supposedly

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<v Speaker 10>even included weapons packages, targets, and timing, and included the

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<v Speaker 10>name of an active CIA agent. There's plenty of declassified

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<v Speaker 10>information the shows that our adversaries China and Russia are

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<v Speaker 10>trying to break in two encrypted systems like signal.

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<v Speaker 2>I can just say this, if this.

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<v Speaker 10>Was the case of a military officer, oh boy, or

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<v Speaker 10>an intelligence officer and they had this kind of behavior, they.

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<v Speaker 2>Would be spared. Perfect.

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<v Speaker 1>That is perfect for what I'm about to talk about here.

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<v Speaker 1>Mark Warner walked into that. Here he downed two double

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<v Speaker 1>espressos and took a viagra. He was so excited about

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<v Speaker 1>getting in there and laying it to the Trump administration.

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<v Speaker 4>But somebody pointed this out on and it's absolutely true.

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<v Speaker 4>You just gotta love the rich. Only in Washington, irony

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<v Speaker 4>of one Republicans who tormented Hillary Clinton for her private

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<v Speaker 4>e mail service scandal, now trying to downplay what could

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<v Speaker 4>be some sort of breach a sense of info, while

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<v Speaker 4>at the same time Democrats pouncing on this controversy after

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<v Speaker 4>defending Clinton's email bruhaha for years. The Ours will argue

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<v Speaker 4>these episodes are not equal. The Dems will argue these

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<v Speaker 4>are not equal, and that's where we are. But him

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<v Speaker 4>bringing up any regulars, I have heard this before. Any

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<v Speaker 4>regular man in uniform would have been court martialed for

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<v Speaker 4>this exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>The same thing we said on the other side, right right, exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>I had just seen that Hillary herself was commenting, Hillary,

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<v Speaker 1>do you even know what irony is?

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<v Speaker 2>Can you please set this one out, just this one,

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<v Speaker 2>wipe it like with a cloth.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my, it's all too much, it is so Look,

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<v Speaker 1>this is not a good deal.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not a good look.

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<v Speaker 1>It's certainly not a security protocol to include Jeffrey freaking

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<v Speaker 1>Goldberg in this stuff. I suspect the course will be

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<v Speaker 1>corrected and this will not happen again. But we've talked

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<v Speaker 1>about that a fair amount, and there's more to develop,

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<v Speaker 1>I suppose in the days to come, and we will

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<v Speaker 1>cover it for you. But I found this just irresistibly interesting,

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<v Speaker 1>the actual conversations and the polls of power and philosophy,

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<v Speaker 1>if you will, within the Trump national security team, and

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<v Speaker 1>it strikes me as a very team of rivals thing.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'll describe some of the specifics before I babble

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<v Speaker 1>on more about what I think about it.

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<v Speaker 4>But I, by the way, I've had a complete change

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<v Speaker 4>of heart on this whole topic.

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<v Speaker 2>Really, Yes, you're holding out on us or are you

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<v Speaker 2>gonna hit us with that.

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<v Speaker 4>I've brushed up against in the last couple of weeks,

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<v Speaker 4>but I'm now It's one of the few major issues

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<v Speaker 4>I've changed my mind on in adulthood, but this is

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<v Speaker 4>one of them.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, fine, So anyway, the news, according to the comment

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<v Speaker 1>here in the Wall Street Journal editorial board, was that

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<v Speaker 1>the characters played to their public type, their public image,

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<v Speaker 1>and I would agree. National Security Advisor Mike Walls came

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<v Speaker 1>out for US leadership said, no, we've this is our

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<v Speaker 1>role in the world. It's important that we do it,

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<v Speaker 1>that we keep shipping free, for instance. And he was

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<v Speaker 1>also very forceful in saying, look, this is the president's policy,

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<v Speaker 1>that's his policy.

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<v Speaker 2>Vice President JD.

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<v Speaker 1>Vance was a voice for US retreat and or extreme caution.

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<v Speaker 1>And we'll get more to why he thought that in

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<v Speaker 1>a second, it's not crazy. Even though Trump had said no,

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<v Speaker 1>we want to hit him. Vance was like, Hey, I

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<v Speaker 1>think we're making a mistake here. Stephen Miller, who's a

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<v Speaker 1>screen name, was sm said, as I heard it, the

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<v Speaker 1>president was clear green light, paraphrasing, now, why should Tehran's

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<v Speaker 1>proxy get away with shooting at navy ships, US Navy

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<v Speaker 1>ships and aircraft and blocking critical waterways for everybody but

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<v Speaker 1>around Russia and China the way they did under Joe Biden.

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<v Speaker 2>Stephen Miller was not having that.

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<v Speaker 1>Michael Waltz in the Key exchange on March fourteen, which

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<v Speaker 1>was the day before the strikes on Yemen, wrote quote, team,

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<v Speaker 1>you should have a statement of conclusions with taskings per

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<v Speaker 1>the president's guidance, but not all preferred to take to guidance,

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<v Speaker 1>said jd Well, a user who went by the screen

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<v Speaker 1>name jd Vance, who that is historians will have to

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<v Speaker 1>parse out anyway, This mysterious JD. Van's character says, I

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<v Speaker 1>think we're making a mistake. Three percent of US trade

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<v Speaker 1>runs through the Suez, while forty percent of European trade does.

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<v Speaker 1>I am not sure the President is aware how inconsistent

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<v Speaker 1>this is with his message on Europe. Right now, there's

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<v Speaker 1>a further risk that we see a moderate to severe

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<v Speaker 1>spike in oil prices. There is a strong argument for

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<v Speaker 1>delaying this a month, doing the messaging work on why

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<v Speaker 1>this matters and seeing where the economy is, et cetera.

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<v Speaker 4>And that's just an interesting insight into his philosophy. And

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<v Speaker 4>I mean that's gonna matter when he runs for president.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't like his point of view. I think he's wrong,

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<v Speaker 4>but he's he's pretty hard core that direction, it would seem,

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<v Speaker 4>and he will be heard from again in a moment.

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<v Speaker 1>Ah, let's see this council of delay waiting for economic

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<v Speaker 1>news that may never come. Was echoed by Joe Kent,

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<v Speaker 1>whose name you might not know, but he's a noted

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<v Speaker 1>isolationist to pull backerr, whatever you want to call it,

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<v Speaker 1>whom Director of National Intelligence Tulsey Gabbard has named in

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<v Speaker 1>the chat as her point of contact. So he's her

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<v Speaker 1>point man, and he's a bit of an isolationist. In reply,

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<v Speaker 1>Pete Hegzeth pointed out the risks of waiting and stressed

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<v Speaker 1>Iran's role, and then made the case for the operation

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<v Speaker 1>quote I see it as two things. One restoring freedom

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<v Speaker 1>of navigation, which is a core national interest, in two

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<v Speaker 1>re established to terrence which Biden cratered. Trump later made

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<v Speaker 1>similar points in public, reflecting their being on the same page.

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<v Speaker 1>I think, well, I'll say my analysis for a second.

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<v Speaker 1>This reflects well on mister heg Seth, writes the editorial

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<v Speaker 1>board of the journal, though it's notable that he named

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<v Speaker 1>Don Caldwell as his point of contact, and Caldwell comes

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<v Speaker 1>from the isolationist Coke network, as in the Koch Brothers,

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<v Speaker 1>which Trump has been highly critical of, which is again

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<v Speaker 1>team of rivalsy Waltz explained the damage to global trade

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<v Speaker 1>in the limits of Europe's navies quote, whether it's now

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<v Speaker 1>or several weeks from now, it will have to be

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<v Speaker 1>the United States that reopens these shipping lanes.

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<v Speaker 4>He wrote, Yeah, I thought an interesting point. You might

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<v Speaker 4>think Europe should do it. They can't. They don't have

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<v Speaker 4>the ability.

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<v Speaker 1>And then vance showing his reasonableness in the face of

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<v Speaker 1>disagreement to me, and I disagree strongly with JD on

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<v Speaker 1>several things, but he said he finally conceded to reality. Quote,

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<v Speaker 1>I just hate bailing Europe again. Hexeth agreed. I fully

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<v Speaker 1>share your loathing of European free loading. It's pathetic. That's

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<v Speaker 1>probably not the sort of thing you want to leak.

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<v Speaker 1>But but Mike, meaning Mike Waltz, is correct about how

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<v Speaker 1>we have to do that. Mister Trump now now knows

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<v Speaker 1>which of his deputies tried to block it and which

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<v Speaker 1>tried to carry it out.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't like that last bit of an house No,

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<v Speaker 2>that's not That's not what you want at all. No,

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<v Speaker 2>I the last thing you want is group think.

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<v Speaker 1>And I you know, I see it as as as

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<v Speaker 1>poles as like magnetic poles in the group. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>not to flog the team of rivals thing too much.

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<v Speaker 1>But I mean, if you're in an organization, maybe you're

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<v Speaker 1>doing software or something like that, and you have a

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<v Speaker 1>brain trust of people, and one of your people is

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<v Speaker 1>always harping about innovation. How if we stay still, we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to get left behind. The business we're in is innovating.

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<v Speaker 2>What's next?

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<v Speaker 1>We've got to improve this. And then you have people saying, look,

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<v Speaker 1>this is the most popular ex software in the world.

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<v Speaker 1>We can't mess with it until we're one hundred percent.

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<v Speaker 1>We're ready, our customers are satisfied. You're right, but caution.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't want to cut out innovation guy just because

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<v Speaker 1>for now you're leaving Salesforce or Microsoft Order or whatever

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<v Speaker 1>the hell as it is.

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<v Speaker 2>For now. You don't want to silence that voice.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't want to silence Jdvance saying look, we've got

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<v Speaker 1>to keep putting the screws to the Euros or they

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<v Speaker 1>will stay lazy and we will pay for and earlier

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<v Speaker 1>said that at the least we ought to get some

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<v Speaker 1>money out of them for doing this, reopening their freaking

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<v Speaker 1>shipping lanes. I love jd Vance's voice in that discussion,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think they did the right thing in spite

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<v Speaker 1>of it.

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<v Speaker 4>So I'm this is an innocent question, not trying to

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<v Speaker 4>push anything any direction. How does the chain of come

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<v Speaker 4>in work on this whole thing. So it sounded like

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<v Speaker 4>Trump had already signed off on the idea of we

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<v Speaker 4>need to attack the hoothies then, so like could have

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<v Speaker 4>it got stemied in this conversation and like was so,

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<v Speaker 4>then did somebody report back to him We're not doing.

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<v Speaker 2>It or how does that even work? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, I think uh probably hexeth end or Waltz would

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<v Speaker 1>have gone back to the President and said, uh, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>we've got some serious concerns about A and B. And

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<v Speaker 1>then of course the commander in chief would say, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's nice, that's that's sweet.

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<v Speaker 2>Do it anywhere, bominam, do it anyway, and it would

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<v Speaker 2>have happened.

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<v Speaker 1>It sounded like Waltz was just wanting another hearing with

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<v Speaker 1>the president, but he was talked out of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, we go ahead on just that topic.

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<v Speaker 4>I think I've become convinced that because I've been I've

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<v Speaker 4>been yelling about this for years.

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<v Speaker 2>It goes way back to college, Gladys, goes way back

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<v Speaker 2>to college, well after.

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<v Speaker 4>I had my permanent parachute pants before I graduated for

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<v Speaker 4>the baldness. Yes, constantly hearing from college professors about how

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<v Speaker 4>much greater it was in Europe, how many weeks of

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<v Speaker 4>vacation they get and they only have to work this

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<v Speaker 4>many hours a week, and how wonderful it is without

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<v Speaker 4>pointing out to me a stupid college kid who didn't

0:28:18.760 --> 0:28:22.960
<v Speaker 4>know any better. That's because we provide their national defense.

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<v Speaker 2>So of course they.

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<v Speaker 4>Got plenty of money while it lasts and it's about

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<v Speaker 4>to run out. It's all running run out.

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<v Speaker 1>In France, for instance, or Greece, we provide the national offense,

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<v Speaker 1>so of course they don't have to be as productive.

0:28:34.400 --> 0:28:37.399
<v Speaker 1>They can, you know, take nine months of vacation or

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<v Speaker 1>retire at fifty or whatever the hell they do in

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<v Speaker 1>all these guds. None of the college professors pointed that

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<v Speaker 1>out of course. Well, and it's as if Europe itself

0:28:44.560 --> 0:28:49.000
<v Speaker 1>is a retiree. They have more time to do fun stuff.

0:28:49.040 --> 0:28:50.960
<v Speaker 1>They spend more time on the golf course than I

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<v Speaker 1>do because I'm still working. But they are heading toward

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<v Speaker 1>you know, decline and perhaps the tomb because we spend

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<v Speaker 1>they're no longer young and dynamic and growing and achieving,

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<v Speaker 1>and right they're just in that phase of their life.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want the US to be in that phase

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<v Speaker 2>of life.

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<v Speaker 4>We spend eight hundred million dollars a year on defense,

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<v Speaker 4>I think it's roughly that number, and that's so we can,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, do what we want to do around the world,

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<v Speaker 4>and that protects Europe. And then then they don't have

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<v Speaker 4>to hardly spend any money all until recently.

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<v Speaker 1>Well at risk of flogging the metaphor to death, Europe

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<v Speaker 1>is on social security and we pay we're current workers.

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<v Speaker 2>But my butt is I felt that way for decades.

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<v Speaker 4>Now I've become convinced listening to a variety of different

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<v Speaker 4>podcasts and thinkers and that sort of stuff, that is,

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<v Speaker 4>we're much better off with the world that way.

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<v Speaker 2>I have been living with this idea.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, France, Germany, England, all these countries, they basically

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<v Speaker 4>line up with us, and they'll continue to line up

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<v Speaker 4>with us when we're not providing. That is probably not

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<v Speaker 4>going to be the case when they actually are independent

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<v Speaker 4>enough to provide their own security or work together in security.

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<v Speaker 4>Next time we need to do anything or want things

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<v Speaker 4>to be a certain way, they're gonna say, yeah, good

0:30:03.560 --> 0:30:06.480
<v Speaker 4>for you, do it yourself or whatever. But for the

0:30:06.560 --> 0:30:10.400
<v Speaker 4>past many decades we really need to do anything, they're

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<v Speaker 4>on board because they kind of have to be, because

0:30:13.320 --> 0:30:16.040
<v Speaker 4>we provide all the security. And I think we're gonna

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<v Speaker 4>miss those days when a nine to eleven comes along

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<v Speaker 4>and immediately all those countries are on board.

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<v Speaker 1>In the future, when they're more independent, they'll be like, Yeah,

0:30:24.960 --> 0:30:27.160
<v Speaker 1>what's in it for me? That sounds like a you problem?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I see your point.

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<v Speaker 1>I just I think is the sands of history shift,

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<v Speaker 1>new realities take hold and there's.

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<v Speaker 2>No use postion for the old stuff. Not that you are.

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<v Speaker 4>It's possible that we just flat can't afford it anymore.

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<v Speaker 4>So it's not an option, it's a it's not a discussion,

0:30:45.600 --> 0:30:47.480
<v Speaker 4>it's not a policy choice.

0:30:47.480 --> 0:30:48.880
<v Speaker 2>It's just we can't afford it anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, but I bungle a merkle crawling into Vladimir Putin's

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<v Speaker 1>lap for a cuddle in some natural gas, right, was

0:30:56.480 --> 0:30:57.840
<v Speaker 1>a sign of the way it could go.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, for who knows, for a lot of those countries.

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<v Speaker 4>France was getting around the uh, the sanctions on a

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<v Speaker 4>rack the whole time. We were trying to pressure them

0:31:06.520 --> 0:31:09.479
<v Speaker 4>everything like that. So and that's when they needed us.

0:31:09.480 --> 0:31:10.920
<v Speaker 4>Wait till they don't need us.

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<v Speaker 2>How are they gonna act?

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<v Speaker 4>They're gonna cozy up to China in kind of ways

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<v Speaker 4>we really really don't like.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, with baseball season about to start, which has to

0:31:19.360 --> 0:31:21.920
<v Speaker 1>be very excited. We're a team that had an eleven

0:31:21.960 --> 0:31:25.440
<v Speaker 1>game winning streak. Now it's back to reality. We've lost

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<v Speaker 1>a couple and we're going to play the Yankees.

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<v Speaker 2>It's that's history. We got a lot more on the

0:31:33.440 --> 0:31:35.840
<v Speaker 2>way difference. Yes, we do, by gully.

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<v Speaker 4>Is this a big scandal or not? That that's what

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<v Speaker 4>I wonder. I guess we'll see how it unfolds throughout

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<v Speaker 4>the day.

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<v Speaker 2>Stay here, strong, Hetty.

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<v Speaker 11>The business news I've read the twenty three and me

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<v Speaker 11>just filed for bankruptcy. The companies said they were fifty

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<v Speaker 11>percent sad, thirty seven percent disappointed, and thirteen percent Scottish. Yes,

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<v Speaker 11>the worst news to hit the DNA test business since

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<v Speaker 11>Maury was canceled.

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<v Speaker 1>So the obvious question, twenty three meter goes bankrupt? Where

0:32:07.640 --> 0:32:10.400
<v Speaker 1>is my spit? Who has control of all of our spit?

0:32:11.160 --> 0:32:15.480
<v Speaker 1>I demand my saliva back with interest? Wait a minute,

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<v Speaker 1>Oh so, speaking of science, here is the headline. How

0:32:20.640 --> 0:32:23.600
<v Speaker 1>do I put this? The headline most likely to make

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<v Speaker 1>you cringe today? Would you let a robot draw your blood? Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>Northwestern among health systems trying new device. No way that,

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<v Speaker 1>no possible way a robot can ever do that? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>not possible. My response is six simple words, get that

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<v Speaker 1>thing away from me. Can you imagine.

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<v Speaker 4>I actually don't think AI could be capable of doing that.

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<v Speaker 1>Several health systems are gearing up to try a new

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<v Speaker 1>way of drawing blood using a robot.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, who are they going to practice on?

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<v Speaker 2>Who's volunteering for that?

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<v Speaker 1>I tell you what you are, brave, says this chief

0:33:09.040 --> 0:33:12.880
<v Speaker 1>chief commercial officer for the company making it. It starts

0:33:12.920 --> 0:33:15.200
<v Speaker 1>wheeling towards you. You get that need a little high,

0:33:15.240 --> 0:33:16.160
<v Speaker 1>don't judge my head?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, what are you doing? All stale? Human?

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<v Speaker 1>All stale, says the guy who works for the company,

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<v Speaker 1>And probably it's also remains unjabbed. This all ensures high

0:33:27.040 --> 0:33:30.640
<v Speaker 1>accuracy and high reliability, and with such precision, it reduces

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<v Speaker 1>any paint and discomfort associating with a normal blood.

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<v Speaker 4>Try a chance, that's true, not a come on now true?

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<v Speaker 1>The patient, I don't even want to describe the process.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll get light headed. So you sit in the chair.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the regular part. The patient then presses a button.

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<v Speaker 1>The tourniquet tightens around your arm, making the blood dry

0:33:50.720 --> 0:33:54.040
<v Speaker 1>easily easier. Then Aletta this is the name of this beast,

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<v Speaker 1>then uses infrared light to locate the veins. The device

0:33:58.400 --> 0:34:01.080
<v Speaker 1>s praised the patient's alcohol arm with alcohol to clean it,

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<v Speaker 1>and an AI driven Doppler ultrasound probe on a robotic

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<v Speaker 1>arm helps selective ain and determine needle placement, and then

0:34:10.040 --> 0:34:13.760
<v Speaker 1>it does it's dirty deed and collects the blood into twoe.

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<v Speaker 2>I can less malfunction. I just don't believe that's possible.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's Michael. We could rename your what was it Pong?

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<v Speaker 4>He was the guy, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, your favorite

0:34:23.560 --> 0:34:26.759
<v Speaker 4>flebottomistic yeah, who unfortunately quit to drive a truck because

0:34:26.760 --> 0:34:27.640
<v Speaker 4>there's more money in it.

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<v Speaker 2>But he was the best drawn blood. Uh.

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<v Speaker 4>He absolutely made it painless. I just can't imagine that

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<v Speaker 4>a machine would ever be able to do that.

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<v Speaker 2>I was hoping to.

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<v Speaker 1>Squeeze this in, but it might have to wait until

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit later on. Can you imagine if the

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<v Speaker 1>thing went all right? Hey, look, look about one times

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<v Speaker 1>out of ten we got to recalibrate it, and yeah,

0:34:48.120 --> 0:34:48.920
<v Speaker 1>you'll be fine.

0:34:49.360 --> 0:34:51.759
<v Speaker 2>Uld your arm in the air. The bleeding of stuffs,

0:34:52.120 --> 0:34:53.840
<v Speaker 2>nothing counts so much as blood.

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry, I couldn't hear you over my screaming. All right,

0:34:56.800 --> 0:34:58.920
<v Speaker 1>a couple of disappointing stories. First of all, do you

0:34:58.960 --> 0:35:02.239
<v Speaker 1>have kids in those high fellutin traveling sports? Leagues, and

0:35:02.280 --> 0:35:04.480
<v Speaker 1>you ever get the sense you're being ripped off, that's

0:35:04.520 --> 0:35:08.040
<v Speaker 1>a good reason for that, because you are. And second secondly,

0:35:08.160 --> 0:35:14.400
<v Speaker 1>and discouragingly but not shockingly, science believes we have passed

0:35:15.160 --> 0:35:18.359
<v Speaker 1>peak intelligence as human beings and are as a race

0:35:18.640 --> 0:35:19.440
<v Speaker 1>getting dumber.

0:35:19.520 --> 0:35:20.440
<v Speaker 2>I know, I am.

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