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Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio the George

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Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.

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Speaker 2: Arm Strong and Getty and he Armstrong and Getty.

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Speaker 3: The stunning breach in national security involving the ongoing highly

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Speaker 3: classified US attacks targeting Hoothy rebels in Yemen. The details

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Speaker 3: reportedly discussed openly over a group chat on the unauthorized

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Speaker 3: signal app among members of President Trump's national security team.

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Speaker 3: The Atlantic, now revealing its editor in chief, who was

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Speaker 3: invited to join the group chat, says he was included

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Speaker 3: on all the sensitive information hours before the military strikes began.

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Speaker 3: President Trump pressed about the report, saying he didn't know

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Speaker 3: anything about it.

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Speaker 4: Okay, so we'll play the Trump part here in just

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Speaker 4: a second. The timing of all this, nobody knows when

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Speaker 4: Trump was alerted to this.

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Speaker 2: You'd have to assume somebody told him.

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Speaker 4: He acts like he didn't know here when he's asked

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Speaker 4: about it by a reporter, But it was fink four

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Speaker 4: or five hours later, so he certainly somebody should have

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Speaker 4: hipped him to it. Well, let's let a reporter ask

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Speaker 4: the question and Trump respond, Mister President.

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Speaker 5: You reacted to the story of the Atlantic that said

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Speaker 5: that some of your top account officials and aids had

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Speaker 5: been discussing very sense of material from Signal and included

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Speaker 5: an Atlantic reporter for that.

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Speaker 2: What is your response to that?

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Speaker 6: In our opinions, I don't know anything about it.

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Speaker 2: I'm not a big fan of The Atlantic.

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Speaker 6: It's to me it's a magazine that's going out of business.

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Speaker 6: I think it's not much of a magazine. But I

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Speaker 6: know nothing about it. You're saying that they had what.

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Speaker 5: They were using signal to pour date on sets of

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Speaker 5: materials and.

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Speaker 6: Having to do with what, how did you do with what?

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Speaker 2: What were they talking about with the hookies? The who dies?

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Speaker 6: You mean the attack or the hood is Well, it

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Speaker 6: couldn't have been very effective, because the attack was very effective.

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Speaker 6: I can tell you that I don't know anything about it.

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Speaker 6: You're telling me about it for the first time.

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Speaker 4: I believe him. Okay, I don't, but that's fine. I

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Speaker 4: don't think he'd ever heard of Signal before yesterday. I'd

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Speaker 4: be surprised we had. And then him saying on signal

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Speaker 4: and then saying about the hoofies. I think that was

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Speaker 4: a great way to handle it through the day when

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Speaker 4: they tried to go with and the attack was successful.

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Speaker 4: So what's the problem, which is not a bad spin

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Speaker 4: on the whole story.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Trump has subsequently done a quick interview with NBC News quote,

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Speaker 1: Michael Waltz has learned a lesson and he's a good man. Actually,

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, I got tickled in my throat. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I believe so, because it's believed that Waltz organized the

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Speaker 1: signal group that accidentally included Jeffrey Goldberg of the Atlantic,

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Speaker 1: which is a hell of a mistake to make.

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Speaker 2: I have my final analysis.

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Speaker 1: I have been able Supreme Court like to take in

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Speaker 1: all of the testimony and have come to a ruling.

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Speaker 2: But I'll wait for that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, we'll let this unfold a little bit as

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Speaker 4: it did yesterday. She had Trump asked about it and

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Speaker 4: him saying he didn't know anything about it. And then

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Speaker 4: Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseath, who was on the chat

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Speaker 4: on Signal, which is a encrypted private messaging app.

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Speaker 2: There's a whole bunch of them out there, I guess

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Speaker 2: I'm finding out. I know of a couple of them.

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Speaker 4: I didn't know of this one, and it's either used

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Speaker 4: by everybody in DC all the time, or it's a

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Speaker 4: horrifying idea to use it.

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Speaker 2: We'll get to that.

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Speaker 4: A couple opinions on that coming up also, But here

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Speaker 4: getting off playing tarmac sect death, ask about it.

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Speaker 2: You're talking about.

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Speaker 1: A deceitful and highly discredited so called journalists who's made

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Speaker 1: a profession of pedaling hoax his time and time again.

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Speaker 1: I'm post details shared on signal and how did you

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Speaker 1: learn that a journalist was privy to the targets, the

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Speaker 1: types of weapons used.

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Speaker 2: I've heard of his character. Nobody was texting war plans.

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Speaker 2: And that's all I have to say about.

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Speaker 1: That is that a lawyer lead denial. Because if you

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Speaker 2: They were going through an encrypted message.

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Speaker 4: Or define war plans. Maybe it's a lawyer le denial. Okay,

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Speaker 4: Because Brit Hume of Fox after so sectef hegzeth there

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Speaker 4: all that sort of stuff actually happened. Britt Huma responded

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Speaker 4: to that on Twitter. Oh, for God's sake, the administration

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Speaker 4: has already confirmed the authenticity of the message about Pete

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Speaker 4: has saying it's a hack journalist, blah blah blah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's kind of weak.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he just reported the truth, so and I

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Speaker 1: share his dim view of Jeffrey Goldberg.

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Speaker 4: But in this case, well here's Goldberg responding to Hegzet's

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Speaker 4: comment on CNN. The Goldsberg's the actual Goldberg is the

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Speaker 4: actual journalist who was on the chat by accident.

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Speaker 1: Nobody was texting war plans, given you were privated this

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Speaker 1: group chat, is that how you saw it?

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Speaker 7: No, that's a lie. He was texting war plans. He

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Speaker 7: was texting attack plans, when targets were going to be targeted,

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Speaker 7: how they were going to be targeted, who was at

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Speaker 7: the targets when the next sequence of attacks were happening.

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Speaker 7: I didn't publish this, and I continue not to publish

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Speaker 7: it because it felt like it was too confidential, too technical,

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Speaker 7: and I worry, honestly that sharing that kind of information

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Speaker 7: in public could endanger American military personnel. But no, they

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Speaker 7: were plans for the attack.

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Speaker 4: Toy's credit, he didn't run to Twitter or a microphone

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Speaker 2: Likely published them in The Atlantic.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so one other part of it before what you're

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Speaker 4: calling it your ultimate point, Joe's ultimate point, Joe, Joe

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Speaker 2: Joe's final ruling.

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Speaker 4: So the idea of having the Secretary Defense, the Secretary

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Speaker 4: for an attack on this method, using this method of

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Speaker 4: communication that is telegrammer what is it? I can't remember

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Speaker 4: which one we're talking about. On signal it's either okay

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Speaker 1: So we'll start with Andrew McCabe, former FBI director who

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Speaker 1: liked he got preferred to the FISA court and violated

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Speaker 1: a but anyway, he's on CNN saying this.

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Speaker 8: So, convening a small group to discuss a military strike

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Speaker 8: on a commercially available messaging app is outrageous.

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Speaker 2: It's absolutely unthinkable.

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Speaker 8: I can't even imagine a scenario in which that would

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Speaker 4: So I would say that as watching Mark Halprin's emergency

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Speaker 4: He said, talking to people around DC, everybody just is

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Speaker 4: jaw dropped. They can't believe that this conversation was happening

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Speaker 4: on this app. I mean, they just can't believe it.

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Speaker 4: It's just, like he said, outrageous. On the other hand,

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Speaker 4: here you've got Lawrence Jones of Fox and Friends, who

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Speaker 4: happens all the time.

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Speaker 9: As it relates to government officials using signal, they all

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Speaker 9: use it. They're not supposed to, but they use it.

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Speaker 9: But if you secret stuff, they use it. CIA every

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Speaker 9: single intelligence agency uses signal. I know that for a fact.

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Speaker 9: I talk to them on signal. They're sources of mind.

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Speaker 9: They all use signal.

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Speaker 9: It is the best way and the most secure way

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Speaker 9: journals use it as well. They don't want it, they're

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Speaker 9: not supposed to do it, but they do it anyway.

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Speaker 4: So it's interesting I know, so outside of whatever even

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Speaker 4: we got to nail down the hole. Are classified documents

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Speaker 1: Can you take them home or not? Or do you

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Speaker 1: have to go into the skiff to read them? Or

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Speaker 4: With your buddies, you know, sitting around watching football game,

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Speaker 4: or can you have conversations on these private apps or not.

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Speaker 1: Let's let's nail this down so well. Don't constantly have

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Speaker 2: And you're leaving out a big one too.

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Speaker 1: Are the very people in government who most need to

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Speaker 4: I'm glad you brought that up because that was one

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Speaker 4: of Mark Alpern's big point. He said, I doubt anybody

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Speaker 4: was transcribing this as it happened. And this one of

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Speaker 1: These are for the archives, for historians, for you know,

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Speaker 1: for US citizens to see how their government works.

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Speaker 2: And enforcement of law. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, so you don't have rogue operators going outside the constitution. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the whole thing's pretty troubling, just one quick note, because

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Speaker 1: If you read Matt, you know this insane with wonder

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Speaker 1: recent history. You're Andrew mccabes, you're John Brennan's. Who is

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Speaker 1: picture them, but I can't think of his name. All

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Speaker 1: are now on CNN and MSNBC because they're anti Trump.

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Speaker 1: But they're the very sort of thing the Democratic Party

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Speaker 1: for everybody's whole lives has despised and called out. They're

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Speaker 1: the unholy Satanic love children of Jay Edgar Hoover and

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Speaker 1: Richard Nixon, these guys, and the left has embraced them. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: That's just the quickest side. My final judgment is this,

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Speaker 1: and how right and how wrong it was. This has

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Speaker 1: shown some real sloppiness. How does Jeffrey Goldberg get in

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Speaker 1: like aliases and initials, and Waltz's screen name was Waltz,

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Speaker 1: Rubio's was mar short for Marco, and so somebody just

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Speaker 1: scanned it real quick and saw I don't know what

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Speaker 1: I went ahead and was texting.

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Speaker 2: And that's the problem.

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Speaker 1: Those not given access to the classified stuff can accidentally

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Speaker 1: or nefariously be on these these strings. It's sloppy, it's dumb.

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Speaker 1: Is it like fatal? These people should lose their jobs.

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Speaker 1: It's close.

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Speaker 4: Maybe I'm just naive about how things work, but I'm

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Speaker 4: surprised they don't all get together in a room with

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Speaker 4: very few exceptions, when you're two hours from launching an

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Speaker 4: of he let's take our Saturday or Sunday or whatever

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Speaker 4: office and sit there and discuss whether we're going to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So the big story today is the Trump national

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Speaker 4: So there just coincidentally with this mini scandal or Maxi scandal,

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Speaker 4: it's about to be laid up by Mark Warner, Democrat,

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Speaker 10: To discussed highly sensitive and likely classified information that supposedly

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Speaker 2: Would be spared. Perfect.

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Speaker 1: That is perfect for what I'm about to talk about here.

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Speaker 1: Mark Warner walked into that. Here he downed two double

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Speaker 4: But somebody pointed this out on and it's absolutely true.

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Speaker 4: You just gotta love the rich. Only in Washington, irony

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Speaker 2: Can you please set this one out, just this one,

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Speaker 2: wipe it like with a cloth.

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Speaker 1: Oh my, it's all too much, it is so Look,

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Speaker 1: It's certainly not a security protocol to include Jeffrey freaking

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Speaker 2: Vice President JD.

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Speaker 1: And we'll get more to why he thought that in

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Speaker 4: And that's just an interesting insight into his philosophy. And

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Speaker 1: isolationist to pull backerr, whatever you want to call it,

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Speaker 1: whom Director of National Intelligence Tulsey Gabbard has named in

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Speaker 1: the chat as her point of contact. So he's her

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Speaker 1: point man, and he's a bit of an isolationist. In reply,

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Speaker 1: Pete Hegzeth pointed out the risks of waiting and stressed

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Speaker 1: Iran's role, and then made the case for the operation

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Speaker 1: quote I see it as two things. One restoring freedom

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Speaker 1: of navigation, which is a core national interest, in two

447
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Speaker 1: re established to terrence which Biden cratered. Trump later made

448
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Speaker 1: similar points in public, reflecting their being on the same page.

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Speaker 1: I think, well, I'll say my analysis for a second.

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Speaker 1: This reflects well on mister heg Seth, writes the editorial

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Speaker 1: board of the journal, though it's notable that he named

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Speaker 1: Don Caldwell as his point of contact, and Caldwell comes

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Speaker 1: from the isolationist Coke network, as in the Koch Brothers,

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Speaker 1: which Trump has been highly critical of, which is again

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Speaker 1: team of rivalsy Waltz explained the damage to global trade

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Speaker 1: in the limits of Europe's navies quote, whether it's now

457
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Speaker 1: or several weeks from now, it will have to be

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Speaker 1: the United States that reopens these shipping lanes.

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Speaker 4: He wrote, Yeah, I thought an interesting point. You might

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Speaker 4: think Europe should do it. They can't. They don't have

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Speaker 4: the ability.

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Speaker 1: And then vance showing his reasonableness in the face of

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Speaker 1: disagreement to me, and I disagree strongly with JD on

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Speaker 1: several things, but he said he finally conceded to reality. Quote,

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Speaker 1: I just hate bailing Europe again. Hexeth agreed. I fully

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Speaker 1: share your loathing of European free loading. It's pathetic. That's

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Speaker 1: probably not the sort of thing you want to leak.

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Speaker 1: But but Mike, meaning Mike Waltz, is correct about how

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Speaker 1: we have to do that. Mister Trump now now knows

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Speaker 1: which of his deputies tried to block it and which

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Speaker 1: tried to carry it out.

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Speaker 2: I don't like that last bit of an house No,

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Speaker 2: that's not That's not what you want at all. No,

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Speaker 2: I the last thing you want is group think.

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Speaker 1: And I you know, I see it as as as

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Speaker 1: poles as like magnetic poles in the group. You know,

477
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Speaker 1: not to flog the team of rivals thing too much.

478
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Speaker 1: But I mean, if you're in an organization, maybe you're

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Speaker 1: doing software or something like that, and you have a

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Speaker 1: brain trust of people, and one of your people is

481
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Speaker 1: always harping about innovation. How if we stay still, we're

482
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Speaker 1: going to get left behind. The business we're in is innovating.

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Speaker 2: What's next?

484
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Speaker 1: We've got to improve this. And then you have people saying, look,

485
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Speaker 1: this is the most popular ex software in the world.

486
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Speaker 1: We can't mess with it until we're one hundred percent.

487
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Speaker 1: We're ready, our customers are satisfied. You're right, but caution.

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Speaker 1: You don't want to cut out innovation guy just because

489
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Speaker 1: for now you're leaving Salesforce or Microsoft Order or whatever

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Speaker 1: the hell as it is.

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Speaker 2: For now. You don't want to silence that voice.

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Speaker 1: You don't want to silence Jdvance saying look, we've got

493
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Speaker 1: to keep putting the screws to the Euros or they

494
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Speaker 1: will stay lazy and we will pay for and earlier

495
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Speaker 1: said that at the least we ought to get some

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Speaker 1: money out of them for doing this, reopening their freaking

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Speaker 1: shipping lanes. I love jd Vance's voice in that discussion,

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Speaker 1: and I think they did the right thing in spite

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Speaker 1: of it.

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Speaker 4: So I'm this is an innocent question, not trying to

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Speaker 4: push anything any direction. How does the chain of come

502
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Speaker 4: in work on this whole thing. So it sounded like

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Speaker 4: Trump had already signed off on the idea of we

504
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Speaker 4: need to attack the hoothies then, so like could have

505
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Speaker 4: it got stemied in this conversation and like was so,

506
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Speaker 4: then did somebody report back to him We're not doing.

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Speaker 2: It or how does that even work? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, I think uh probably hexeth end or Waltz would

509
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Speaker 1: have gone back to the President and said, uh, hey,

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Speaker 1: we've got some serious concerns about A and B. And

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Speaker 1: then of course the commander in chief would say, Yeah,

512
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Speaker 1: that's that's nice, that's that's sweet.

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Speaker 2: Do it anywhere, bominam, do it anyway, and it would

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Speaker 2: have happened.

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Speaker 1: It sounded like Waltz was just wanting another hearing with

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Speaker 1: the president, but he was talked out of it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, we go ahead on just that topic.

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Speaker 4: I think I've become convinced that because I've been I've

519
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Speaker 4: been yelling about this for years.

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Speaker 2: It goes way back to college, Gladys, goes way back

521
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Speaker 2: to college, well after.

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Speaker 4: I had my permanent parachute pants before I graduated for

523
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Speaker 4: the baldness. Yes, constantly hearing from college professors about how

524
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Speaker 4: much greater it was in Europe, how many weeks of

525
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Speaker 4: vacation they get and they only have to work this

526
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Speaker 4: many hours a week, and how wonderful it is without

527
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Speaker 4: pointing out to me a stupid college kid who didn't

528
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Speaker 4: know any better. That's because we provide their national defense.

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Speaker 2: So of course they.

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Speaker 4: Got plenty of money while it lasts and it's about

531
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Speaker 4: to run out. It's all running run out.

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Speaker 1: In France, for instance, or Greece, we provide the national offense,

533
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Speaker 1: so of course they don't have to be as productive.

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Speaker 1: They can, you know, take nine months of vacation or

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Speaker 1: retire at fifty or whatever the hell they do in

536
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Speaker 1: all these guds. None of the college professors pointed that

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Speaker 1: out of course. Well, and it's as if Europe itself

538
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Speaker 1: is a retiree. They have more time to do fun stuff.

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Speaker 1: They spend more time on the golf course than I

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Speaker 1: do because I'm still working. But they are heading toward

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Speaker 1: you know, decline and perhaps the tomb because we spend

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Speaker 1: they're no longer young and dynamic and growing and achieving,

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Speaker 1: and right they're just in that phase of their life.

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Speaker 2: I don't want the US to be in that phase

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Speaker 2: of life.

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Speaker 4: We spend eight hundred million dollars a year on defense,

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Speaker 4: I think it's roughly that number, and that's so we can,

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Speaker 4: you know, do what we want to do around the world,

549
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Speaker 4: and that protects Europe. And then then they don't have

550
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Speaker 4: to hardly spend any money all until recently.

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Speaker 1: Well at risk of flogging the metaphor to death, Europe

552
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Speaker 1: is on social security and we pay we're current workers.

553
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Speaker 2: But my butt is I felt that way for decades.

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Speaker 4: Now I've become convinced listening to a variety of different

555
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Speaker 4: podcasts and thinkers and that sort of stuff, that is,

556
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 4: we're much better off with the world that way.

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Speaker 2: I have been living with this idea.

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Speaker 4: You know, France, Germany, England, all these countries, they basically

559
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Speaker 4: line up with us, and they'll continue to line up

560
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Speaker 4: with us when we're not providing. That is probably not

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Speaker 4: going to be the case when they actually are independent

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Speaker 4: enough to provide their own security or work together in security.

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Speaker 4: Next time we need to do anything or want things

564
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Speaker 4: to be a certain way, they're gonna say, yeah, good

565
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Speaker 4: for you, do it yourself or whatever. But for the

566
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Speaker 4: past many decades we really need to do anything, they're

567
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Speaker 4: on board because they kind of have to be, because

568
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Speaker 4: we provide all the security. And I think we're gonna

569
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Speaker 4: miss those days when a nine to eleven comes along

570
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Speaker 4: and immediately all those countries are on board.

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Speaker 1: In the future, when they're more independent, they'll be like, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: what's in it for me? That sounds like a you problem?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I see your point.

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Speaker 1: I just I think is the sands of history shift,

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Speaker 1: new realities take hold and there's.

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Speaker 2: No use postion for the old stuff. Not that you are.

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Speaker 4: It's possible that we just flat can't afford it anymore.

578
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Speaker 4: So it's not an option, it's a it's not a discussion,

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Speaker 4: it's not a policy choice.

580
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Speaker 2: It's just we can't afford it anymore.

581
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Speaker 1: Right, but I bungle a merkle crawling into Vladimir Putin's

582
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Speaker 1: lap for a cuddle in some natural gas, right, was

583
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Speaker 1: a sign of the way it could go.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, for who knows, for a lot of those countries.

585
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Speaker 4: France was getting around the uh, the sanctions on a

586
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Speaker 4: rack the whole time. We were trying to pressure them

587
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:09,479
Speaker 4: everything like that. So and that's when they needed us.

588
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 4: Wait till they don't need us.

589
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Speaker 2: How are they gonna act?

590
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Speaker 4: They're gonna cozy up to China in kind of ways

591
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Speaker 4: we really really don't like.

592
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

593
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Speaker 1: Well, with baseball season about to start, which has to

594
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Speaker 1: be very excited. We're a team that had an eleven

595
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Speaker 1: game winning streak. Now it's back to reality. We've lost

596
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Speaker 1: a couple and we're going to play the Yankees.

597
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Speaker 2: It's that's history. We got a lot more on the

598
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Speaker 2: way difference. Yes, we do, by gully.

599
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Speaker 4: Is this a big scandal or not? That that's what

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Speaker 4: I wonder. I guess we'll see how it unfolds throughout

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Speaker 4: the day.

602
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Speaker 2: Stay here, strong, Hetty.

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Speaker 11: The business news I've read the twenty three and me

604
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Speaker 11: just filed for bankruptcy. The companies said they were fifty

605
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Speaker 11: percent sad, thirty seven percent disappointed, and thirteen percent Scottish. Yes,

606
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Speaker 11: the worst news to hit the DNA test business since

607
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Speaker 11: Maury was canceled.

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Speaker 1: So the obvious question, twenty three meter goes bankrupt? Where

609
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Speaker 1: is my spit? Who has control of all of our spit?

610
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 1: I demand my saliva back with interest? Wait a minute,

611
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Speaker 1: Oh so, speaking of science, here is the headline. How

612
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Speaker 1: do I put this? The headline most likely to make

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Speaker 1: you cringe today? Would you let a robot draw your blood? Oh?

614
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Speaker 1: Northwestern among health systems trying new device. No way that,

615
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Speaker 1: no possible way a robot can ever do that? Well,

616
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Speaker 1: not possible. My response is six simple words, get that

617
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Speaker 1: thing away from me. Can you imagine.

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Speaker 4: I actually don't think AI could be capable of doing that.

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Speaker 1: Several health systems are gearing up to try a new

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Speaker 1: way of drawing blood using a robot.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, who are they going to practice on?

622
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Speaker 2: Who's volunteering for that?

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Speaker 1: I tell you what you are, brave, says this chief

624
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Speaker 1: chief commercial officer for the company making it. It starts

625
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Speaker 1: wheeling towards you. You get that need a little high,

626
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Speaker 1: don't judge my head?

627
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Speaker 2: Well, what are you doing? All stale? Human?

628
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Speaker 1: All stale, says the guy who works for the company,

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Speaker 1: And probably it's also remains unjabbed. This all ensures high

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Speaker 1: accuracy and high reliability, and with such precision, it reduces

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Speaker 1: any paint and discomfort associating with a normal blood.

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Speaker 4: Try a chance, that's true, not a come on now true?

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Speaker 1: The patient, I don't even want to describe the process.

634
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Speaker 1: I'll get light headed. So you sit in the chair.

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Speaker 1: That's the regular part. The patient then presses a button.

636
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Speaker 1: The tourniquet tightens around your arm, making the blood dry

637
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 1: easily easier. Then Aletta this is the name of this beast,

638
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 1: then uses infrared light to locate the veins. The device

639
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Speaker 1: s praised the patient's alcohol arm with alcohol to clean it,

640
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 1: and an AI driven Doppler ultrasound probe on a robotic

641
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Speaker 1: arm helps selective ain and determine needle placement, and then

642
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Speaker 1: it does it's dirty deed and collects the blood into twoe.

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Speaker 2: I can less malfunction. I just don't believe that's possible.

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Speaker 2: Here's Michael. We could rename your what was it Pong?

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Speaker 4: He was the guy, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, your favorite

646
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Speaker 4: flebottomistic yeah, who unfortunately quit to drive a truck because

647
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 4: there's more money in it.

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Speaker 2: But he was the best drawn blood. Uh.

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Speaker 4: He absolutely made it painless. I just can't imagine that

650
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Speaker 4: a machine would ever be able to do that.

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Speaker 2: I was hoping to.

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Speaker 1: Squeeze this in, but it might have to wait until

653
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Speaker 1: a little bit later on. Can you imagine if the

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Speaker 1: thing went all right? Hey, look, look about one times

655
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Speaker 1: out of ten we got to recalibrate it, and yeah,

656
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Speaker 1: you'll be fine.

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Speaker 2: nothing counts so much as blood.

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Speaker 1: Sorry, I couldn't hear you over my screaming. All right,

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Speaker 1: a couple of disappointing stories. First of all, do you

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Speaker 1: you ever get the sense you're being ripped off, that's

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Speaker 1: a good reason for that, because you are. And second secondly,

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Speaker 1: and discouragingly but not shockingly, science believes we have passed

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Speaker 1: peak intelligence as human beings and are as a race

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Speaker 1: getting dumber.

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Speaker 2: I know, I am.

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Speaker 4: If you missed the segment, get the podcast Armstrong and

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Speaker 4: Getty on demand

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Speaker 1: Armstrong and Getty