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Speaker 2: This is the Best of the Herd with Colin Cowver

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Speaker 2: on Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 1: As we often do always do on Monday, especially during

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Speaker 3: Colin Wright, Colin wrong, where Colin was right?

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Speaker 1: Well, I got it. I'll take credit for this. My

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Speaker 1: two surprise teams in the NFL. When I made the

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Speaker 1: predictions this summer, We're New England would be a playoff team.

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Speaker 1: I love Mike Vrabel spent two hundred and fifty large

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Speaker 1: and my second surprise playoff team was Seattle. I didn't

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Speaker 1: know they'd be in the super Bowl, but I feel

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Speaker 1: pretty good about it. Smart general managers, excellent young, aggressive quarterbacks,

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Speaker 1: rosters that don't have holes. I've been on a four

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Speaker 1: year streak on picking two teams a year, a double

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Speaker 1: year win total team on four for four, and a

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Speaker 1: surprise playoff team Seahawks.

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Speaker 3: Patriots were my picks where Colin was raw.

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Speaker 1: I did not have Rams receiver Devonte Adams in my

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Speaker 1: top ten players. In this game Friday, he had four

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Speaker 1: catches ninety yards a key touchdown.

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Speaker 3: It is crazy.

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Speaker 1: He led the NFL by a lot this year with

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Speaker 3: I think next closest with eleven.

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Speaker 1: So he pooka maybe the star of the show, but

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Speaker 1: he is so big in big spots. I would be

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Speaker 1: surprised if he doesn't return for another season.

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Speaker 3: With mcvayh and.

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Speaker 1: Stafford where Colin was right, well, we mentioned it all

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Speaker 1: season and all week, the Rams special teams could be

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Speaker 1: a major issue. They fired their special teams coach, they

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Speaker 1: moved off their drafted kicker earlier this year. Listen, it

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Speaker 1: was their number one issue, along with pretty weak cornerback

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Speaker 1: play all year. So it's not like Sean McVay buried

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Speaker 1: his head in the sand. He addressed it multiple times

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Speaker 1: this season. McVeigh knew it was an issue, and it

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Speaker 1: was in the biggest game of the year.

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Speaker 3: Yesterday, where Colin was right.

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Speaker 1: The Steelers hire Mike McCarthy. We said multiple times in

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Speaker 1: the last week they're not very good at this. They

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Speaker 1: don't hire offensive coordinators very well. They don't hire head

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Speaker 1: coaches very often. So they went with what is comfortable

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Speaker 1: and what is safe. Mike McCarthy not a bad coach.

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Speaker 1: Mike's gonna win double digit games, you know. I think

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Speaker 1: they'll become an offensive minded Steelers from a defensive minded Steelers.

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Speaker 1: So the good news is they got the right side

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Speaker 1: of the ball going forward. But it ended up being

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Speaker 1: kind of an underw whelming choice. They went safe. They

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Speaker 1: went Pittsburgh. That is not really surprising.

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Speaker 3: Where Colin was raw. How about this?

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Speaker 1: We go two defensive coaches in the Super Bowl, breaking

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Speaker 1: a long streak of offensive coaches. You know what, ad nauseum,

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Speaker 1: You're tired of me saying it. All things equal, I

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Speaker 1: would always take an offensive coach, but there are some

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Speaker 1: great defensive coaches in this sport. Vrabel, Demiko Ryans at Houston,

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Speaker 1: Mike McDonald are super, super sharp guys. So this will

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Speaker 1: be the last non offensive coach to be in a

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl. Was shocker the New England Patriots, Bill Belichick

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Speaker 1: and twenty nineteen where Colin was right. Speaking of Belichick,

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Speaker 1: Reportedly Buffalo has no interest in Bill Belichick, and I

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Speaker 1: good at the draft. He's good at NFL personnel, he's

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Speaker 1: that's what that's what Buffalo needs. It's a really really

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Speaker 3: Where Colin was right a week.

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Speaker 1: Ago, I picked Indiana to beat Miami for the Nanny,

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Speaker 1: but I said it's gonna be close. The difference will

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Speaker 1: be the quarterback, and this scramble, this draw was the difference. Listen,

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Speaker 1: Miami was too good on both lines to get blown

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Speaker 1: uncomfortable at multiple times. But I trust Fernando Mendoza to

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Speaker 3: Where Colin was right from day one.

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Speaker 1: Sam Donald, that's my Hall of Fame first ballot, right wrong.

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Speaker 1: I never quit on Sam Darnald. I didn't if he

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Speaker 3: From from that point forward.

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Speaker 1: He's the winningest quarterback in the league and has the

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Speaker 1: most games over one hundred plus passer rating over Mahomes

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Speaker 1: over all the top quarterbacks. He had a really, really

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Speaker 1: bad run with the Jets. One in Carolina, one in

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Speaker 1: ohen San Francisco, one in Minnesota, one in Seattle, and

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Speaker 1: here he was after.

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Speaker 2: So how did they feel for you to prove all

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Speaker 2: the doubt is wrong to be heading to the super Bowl.

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Speaker 3: That doesn't matter to me.

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Speaker 4: I just come to work every single day with these guys, these.

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Speaker 5: Guys in this locker room. That's what it's about to me.

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Speaker 6: Man, The way that we've come to work ever since

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Speaker 6: we're here and.

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Speaker 3: We did it. I love that guy.

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Speaker 1: It's so poetic that he beat the Rams, the one

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Speaker 1: and with that Matt Hasselbeck, the former Seahawk who was

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Speaker 1: there for a decade. What an electric atmosphere. I don't

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Speaker 1: feel this very much. When that game was over, I

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Speaker 3: The Rams too.

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Speaker 1: I thought, I don't know if mcbay's ever going to

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Speaker 1: a roster this good in the end, what do you

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Speaker 1: think was the difference just the muffed punt?

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Speaker 3: Or to you, was there another difference?

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Speaker 7: Well, first off, let me give you your props for when

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Speaker 7: Colin was right from day one. You have been beating

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Speaker 7: the Sam Darnold drump for a long time, and a

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Speaker 7: lot of people jumped on that, jumped off that ship,

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Speaker 7: Seahawks and the Rams, it was a ridiculous game decided

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Speaker 5: The weird two point conversion you've ever seen.

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Speaker 7: And yesterday was one of those games where both quarterbacks

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Speaker 7: No turnovers. The receiver play in that game on both

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Speaker 7: sides of the ball was incredible. You know, I think

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Speaker 7: ultimately like this came down to you, like you said,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I said this earlier. You don't have

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Speaker 1: the corners for the Rams, they almost lost to the

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Speaker 1: they really gave the Rams trouble. I mean, I let's

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Speaker 1: let's talk specifically about Darnold. I thought that that's as

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Speaker 1: well as I've ever seen him play. Go to your career,

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Speaker 1: your biggest games. There was something about Sam's decision making

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Speaker 1: Sometimes they get tight. I thought, Sam, were you surprised

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Speaker 5: Well, I can speak to that.

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Speaker 7: You know, when you're playing against an MVP caliber quarterback

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Speaker 7: playing against the greatest show on turf, like the you know,

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Speaker 7: the Mike Martz Rams, like those guys. He just knew

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Speaker 7: the opposite of that. And he came out early. You know,

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Speaker 7: first third and five. He's got you know, the Rams

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Speaker 7: in the first matchup where he had all the turnovers,

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Speaker 7: and they threw caution to the wind. They saying, we

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Speaker 4: You know that.

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Speaker 5: I think that was the mindset.

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Speaker 7: And you know, like you know, people will doubt Sam

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Speaker 7: Darnold p He's not as super fiery. His emotions aren't

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Speaker 7: a quiet confidence. And in that game, you know, he

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Speaker 5: It's situational football.

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Speaker 7: And that's where I thought he was at his best yesterday.

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Speaker 1: There's something about Seattle. They play with an energy that's

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Speaker 1: almost collegiate. I want you to take my audience. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Mike Tyson in his early twenties. You just had to

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Speaker 1: be ready for the barrage for the first two rounds.

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Speaker 1: If you could get past that, you had a chance.

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Speaker 1: With Tyson on the television, Matt, it looks like Seattle

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Speaker 3: Did you witness that yesterday?

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Speaker 7: Well, I just think the fan base has a chip

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Speaker 7: program in terms of like the national media, they don't

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 7: It is this college atmosphere in a sense, in terms

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Speaker 7: of you know what they bring pregame and I think

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Speaker 5: You know, the energy before the game.

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Speaker 7: You know, you got Richard Sherman on the mic, you

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Speaker 7: I mean, there's just a lot of pride in this

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Speaker 7: with the it's our mission is number one over any bs,

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Speaker 7: that's what comes first. I think everyone's bought in and

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Speaker 7: the signs on the wall are yours, like you came

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Speaker 7: up with it. This isn't some like silly cliche that

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Speaker 7: Like this is literally came from the locker room.

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Speaker 5: This is our heartbeat.

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Speaker 5: That's all you gotta do. And so no, this is this.

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Speaker 7: As a player, you love when your offensive play caller

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Speaker 7: But I think McVeigh has so much trust in his

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Speaker 1: Feels like, if you're this is not a defensive culture.

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Speaker 1: Like if I was, if you were Matt Stafford, would

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Speaker 7: He's aging in reverse? Colin, I'd signhim for five more

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you're fired up.

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Speaker 7: You're back here in Lumenfield, and you know I'm sitting yesterday,

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Speaker 7: If anything, I think we were more anxious because we

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Speaker 7: It's part of what makes this game so great is

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Speaker 1: Finally, Steelers go Mike McCarthy feels kind of safe to me.

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Speaker 5: So I'm happy for him, and I do you think

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Speaker 1: All right, great seeing you, Matt, appreciate you making our

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Speaker 1: show today.

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Speaker 5: Bud, Awesome, see you Collin.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he was out having a good time last night.

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Speaker 3: It was man.

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Speaker 1: That just it's I feel like between the National Championship

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Speaker 1: and college and so many of these playoff games, the

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Speaker 1: first disappointment I had was literally yesterday at the bizzard.

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Speaker 1: I wasn't even mad at the teams of the coaches.

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Speaker 1: I was mad at the weather. I'm like, just, well,

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Speaker 1: this thing passed. Can we shut it down? They shut

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Speaker 1: it down for lightning. Can we shut this thing down

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Speaker 1: for an hour and get see. I don't like cold

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Speaker 1: weather games. I don't understand it. I want pro athletes

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Speaker 1: at their best. I've never been somebody that just loves lousy.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to watch anybody in America have to

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Speaker 1: work in snow, including athletes.

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Speaker 3: I don't like that.

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Speaker 1: I want to see these unbelievable athletes and these really

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Speaker 1: smart coaches, and then it's like pouring a bucket of water,

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Speaker 1: you know, on incredible athletes, incredible coaching, and I've never

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Speaker 1: been a fan of it. I am for partially Dome Stadium.

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Speaker 1: Like Buffalo has a new stadium. It can still snow.

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Speaker 1: It's open air, but it is built to avoid the wind.

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Speaker 1: And their takeaway was, yeah, you think it's an advantage

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Speaker 1: we have, Josh Allen, we don't want thirty eight mile

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Speaker 1: hour wins helping the least effective offense. If you have

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Speaker 1: a great offense and you face a team with an

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Speaker 1: average offense, the bad weather hurts the great offense. It

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Speaker 1: brings you down to the bad teams level. So you know,

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Speaker 1: Buffalo's figured it out. It's like, we have too good

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Speaker 1: of a quarterback. We got to help our quarterback. It'll

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Speaker 1: still snow and that's part of who we are, and

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Speaker 1: it'll be cold, but we're not going to let in

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Speaker 1: forty mile an hour wins to our stadium and kill

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Speaker 1: our kicking game. And Josh Allen, because the truth is,

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Speaker 1: if you look at Buffalo for the next seven years,

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Speaker 1: they're going to be leading ninety percent of the games

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Speaker 1: they play in the fourth quarter, at least the home games.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

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Speaker 1: For years and years, I always use Drew Brees as

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Speaker 1: an example. I would say, you know, Drew Brees is

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Speaker 1: one of the few quarterbacks where he goes to a

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Speaker 1: place and people just don't give up on him. He

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Speaker 1: then he goes and finds his guy in Drew in

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Speaker 1: Sean Payton, he goes to New Orleans. Because I always

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Speaker 1: felt in the NFL, if your first team, if you

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Speaker 1: weren't a star with your first team, like a lot

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Speaker 1: of people just give up on you. And it's like,

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Speaker 1: thank god they don't, because Baker Mayfield's rebuilt his career,

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Speaker 1: Sam Darnold, Gino Smith. But it always felt like to me,

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Speaker 1: if you didn't have great first six seven great years

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Speaker 1: with your first team, a lot of people just like, ah,

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Speaker 1: he's not the guy, Let's go get the next quarterback.

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Speaker 1: And that's just not the way it works. A lot

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Speaker 1: of these guys go to bad, poorly run team. Sam

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Speaker 1: Donald goes to the Jets, but then he goes to

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Speaker 1: Carolina and so he's been with five teams, four of

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Speaker 1: them he's had a winning record.

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Speaker 3: It's just the Jets thing didn't work.

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Speaker 1: And Drew Brees is now the twenty NFL seasons Super

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Speaker 1: Bowl winner and MVP, gonna be eligible and is gonna

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Speaker 1: make it first ballot Hall of Fame in twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 1: I watched Donald and it's hard for me not to

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Speaker 1: root for him because I know how bad it was

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Speaker 1: in New York. When you watch him and when you

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Speaker 1: watched him broadcasting or playing, are you surprised that he's

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Speaker 1: transformed into a really high end quarterback.

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Speaker 8: No, I'm not surprised.

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Speaker 6: You know, I've I haven't spent much time with Sam,

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Speaker 6: but I can say this, there's not a person on

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Speaker 6: met who doesn't who knows Sam, who doesn't love him,

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Speaker 6: not just as a person, but appreciate his work ethic,

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Speaker 6: appreciates everything in the way that he approaches his craft.

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Speaker 6: And so it's guys like Sam Donald and the journey

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Speaker 6: that he's had over the last couple of years. It's

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Speaker 6: part of what makes the NFL so great. It's also

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Speaker 6: part of what inspires you in a lot of ways

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Speaker 6: to realize that. You know, there's so much that goes

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Speaker 6: into playing that position and being successful at that position.

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Speaker 6: And for a lot of guys, hey, it may not

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Speaker 6: be a.

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Speaker 8: Year one or year two or year three.

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Speaker 6: That could be a combination of their own personal growth

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Speaker 6: and development. It could be partly their circumstances right and

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Speaker 6: being in a tough environment. In most cases, guys that

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Speaker 6: are drafted really high, like Sam Donald being drafted number one,

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Speaker 6: they're going to teams that have a lot greater issues

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Speaker 6: than just trying to solve the quarterback position. They've got

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Speaker 6: a lot of holes to fill, a lot of voice

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Speaker 6: to fill, and typically it takes time. And do I

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Speaker 6: think that in many cases we've you know, unfortunately, you know,

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Speaker 6: the wrong thing when it came to a lot of

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Speaker 6: these young quarterbacks and maybe let them down. You know,

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Speaker 6: I yes, I do, because there are there is so

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Speaker 6: much that goes into it. And honestly, I think guys too,

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Speaker 6: like Sam Donald, wouldn't be the player or person he

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Speaker 6: is right now if it wasn't for going through the

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Speaker 6: adversity that he went through. In New York and Carolina.

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Speaker 6: Same with Baker Mayfield. I'm sure he would say the

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Speaker 6: same things. I've heard those guys talk about those things.

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Speaker 6: I know it was that way for me with the

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Speaker 6: San Diego Chargers. You know, I got people forget I

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Speaker 6: got bench three times with Marty schottheinmer in two thousand

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Speaker 6: and three. That was not a good experience, right, That

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Speaker 6: was like a shot to the confidence. And yet it's

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Speaker 6: also what helped the fire burn, you know, even even

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Speaker 6: hotter as my career went on, always feeling like I

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Speaker 6: had something to prove. Chip on the shoulder, and you

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Speaker 6: just feel that with Sam Donald. But he's handled it

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Speaker 6: with a lot of class. And I just watched the

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Speaker 6: way his teammates talk about him, you know. I mean,

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Speaker 6: they can't say enough great things about him, and I

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Speaker 6: love seeing the success that he's have.

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Speaker 1: I actually, when the game was over, felt bad for

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Speaker 1: Matt Stafford. I thought to myself, I've never seen a

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Speaker 1: quarterback play that well and lose.

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Speaker 3: And I'm sure, hey, listen, I know what happened to

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Speaker 3: you at Purdue.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, you throw for four hundred yards and

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Speaker 1: you can't overcome you know, a really great team but

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Speaker 1: in your career, what is the difference when you played

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Speaker 1: great Drew and you did and you come up short

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Speaker 1: in a big game. It does it last with you

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Speaker 1: the offseason? I mean is that a pretty tier. Do

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Speaker 1: you feel like, hey, I gave it my best, I

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Speaker 1: played well, we lost because Stafford was brilliant for most

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Speaker 1: of that game.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yes, it does last. I mean I certainly. I

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Speaker 6: think any great competitor is always going to think about,

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Speaker 6: you know, some of the ones that got away, and

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Speaker 6: maybe there's a player too that just kind of linger.

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Speaker 6: Stafford has played phenomenal all season long. He's played phenomenal

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Speaker 6: throughout the playoffs. I mean, you forget, as good as

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Speaker 6: the Rams were this year, they just happened to play

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Speaker 6: in a really, really tough division. The only reason they

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Speaker 6: were at the one seed is because they lost at

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Speaker 6: Seattle six weeks ago with some crazy sequences of events, right,

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Speaker 6: the two point conversion, over time going forward, you know

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Speaker 6: at the end or else they would have been the

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Speaker 6: one seed. Right, So they have to go to Carolina

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Speaker 6: where they need a two minute drive to win. They

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Speaker 6: have to go to the Bears where they need over

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Speaker 6: time to win. Right, Like all these crazy sequences of events.

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Speaker 6: And then even in this game, you've they had a

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Speaker 6: chance there at the end, right, all they needed was

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Speaker 6: one final possession. They go down, they get stopped inside

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Speaker 6: the ten after they were just rolling. So I think

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Speaker 6: that's probably the moment that's gonna that's gonna sit and

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Speaker 6: maybe eat at them a little bit.

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Speaker 8: But at the same time, there is no doubt the Rams.

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Speaker 6: Look, I hope Stafford keeps playing for another three four years,

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Speaker 6: you know, because I think that team is built to win.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So Seattle was the second best road team in the league,

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Speaker 1: which is impressive because they're young.

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Speaker 3: The best road team was New England.

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Speaker 1: So the two best road teams are meeting in the

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl, And I think it speaks to certain things

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Speaker 1: like coaching and diligence. I think a lot of things travel,

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Speaker 1: like smart teams, It travels, but there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: things that don't necessarily travel, like a like a vertical

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Speaker 1: passing game. If you go into bad weather, you can't

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Speaker 1: take it with you. But what do you think when

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Speaker 1: you look at Seattle in New England's great success on

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Speaker 1: the road, it's unbelievable, Like, how did New England didn't

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Speaker 1: lose a road game this year. What does it tell

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Speaker 1: you about their team?

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Speaker 8: Well, let's let's start with New England.

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Speaker 6: Look that the job Mike Vrabel's done is remarkable. You know,

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Speaker 6: I didn't have the chance to broadcast one of their games,

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Speaker 6: and I think what suck out to me was, Look,

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Speaker 6: I remember i Vrabel as a player man, hard, knows, tough, love, confrontation,

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Speaker 6: Like he was just.

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Speaker 8: One of those players. Man. I see a side to him.

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Speaker 6: I don't want to say like a softer side, because

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Speaker 6: that's not the way to say it, but it's a

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Speaker 6: side of him that has become such an unbelievable like

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Speaker 6: teacher and motivator of men, but in a way that

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Speaker 6: is like so caring and thoughtful, but also just so

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Speaker 6: wrapped up in like identity and who we are and

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Speaker 6: what our standard is, and like he uses the term

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Speaker 6: protect protect our identity every time we step on the field,

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Speaker 6: And so to me, that's the epitome of what they've

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Speaker 6: done by going on the road. In a lot of cases,

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Speaker 6: that's protecting your identity at home is a lot easier,

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Speaker 6: and all of a sudden, you go on the road

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Speaker 6: in a hustle environment with different circumstances and things that

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Speaker 6: are out of your control and at times you kind

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Speaker 6: of lose track of that. And I think, just like

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Speaker 6: that Maudra for him and his team, like I see that, Yes,

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Speaker 6: he's got a great quarterback who's super composed, who actually

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Speaker 6: reminds me a lot of Matt Stafford, just and his

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Speaker 6: purity of throwing the ball and his composure and all

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Speaker 6: those things. I wouldn't say again, I don't want this

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Speaker 6: to come across the wrong way. I don't see New

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Speaker 6: England as just a team full of superstars. I see

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Speaker 6: them as a team who is just everyone has embraced

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Speaker 6: their role in helping for that group to be successful,

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Speaker 6: and they're just kind of this gritty, find a way mentality.

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Speaker 6: Then Seattle, on the other hand, like maybe that's a

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Speaker 6: team that just flew under the radar for a bit

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Speaker 6: and coach McDonald has done a phenomenal job with those guys,

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Speaker 6: and just that you know, Sam Donold come in and

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Speaker 6: just kind of obviously nobody expect knew.

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Speaker 8: What to expect with JSN and and just the phenomenal

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Speaker 8: year that he had.

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Speaker 6: But I mean little little things like going out and

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Speaker 6: getting Rashishi head. I mean, you can't tell me that

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Speaker 6: that that wasn't an impact player for them down the stretch.

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Speaker 6: They win the Rams game in the regular season because

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Speaker 6: of him. He sets the tone early in the playoffs

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Speaker 6: with that. That kickoff return against the Niners made a

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Speaker 6: big play early on in the game yesterday, the deep

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Speaker 6: ball from Sam. So like, I just man, I looked

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Speaker 6: at some of the super like the star power they

657
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Speaker 6: have on that team, but how those guys were acquired

658
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Speaker 6: and brought in and it was just masterful.

659
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Speaker 8: It was masterful.

660
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Speaker 6: And then the defensively, I just think they they feel like.

661
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Speaker 8: They're just going to come in and beat you up.

662
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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and by the way they do, they just they

664
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Speaker 1: are physical and relentless. So you get two weeks before

665
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Speaker 1: a Super Bowl. Now, when you got to one, you'd

666
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 1: been around the block. You know, you were you know,

667
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 1: Drake May is a puppy, He's a kid. Sam's gotten

668
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 1: beat up a little bit by the league, So I

669
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Speaker 1: don't think it'll change much. But the Seahawks are very

670
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 1: very young as a team. So you know, you tell me,

671
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Speaker 1: you don't want paralysis by analysis. You want to take

672
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 1: a deep breath, you want to play your same game.

673
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 3: But it's the biggest game of your life.

674
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 1: It is an unbelievable pressure. Do you look back at

675
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 1: the two weeks before the Super Bowl fondly or were

676
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 1: you a bit of a nervous wreck until the whistle

677
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 1: until the kickoff?

678
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 4: Yeah?

679
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 6: I mean, look a nervous wreck from the perspective, I'm

680
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 6: kind of that way throughout the week of preparation, no

681
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 6: matter what game it is, just because you just take

682
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 6: so much pride in what you're doing. You want to

683
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 6: go out there and play well for your team. But

684
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Speaker 6: I would say this was kind of interesting maybe about

685
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Speaker 6: our Super Bowl run. Look, you remember we played the

686
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Speaker 6: Indianapolis Colts. You know, on paper, that was the best

687
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Speaker 6: team in football, maybe one of the best teams ever, right,

688
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 6: And so I think all the talk was in and

689
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 6: around them.

690
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Speaker 8: And I think we kind of felt like we were

691
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Speaker 8: flying under the radar a little bit.

692
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Speaker 6: In fact, Like I think when the Super Bowl line

693
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 6: opened up on our game it was Colts by seven

694
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Speaker 6: or seven and a half.

695
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Speaker 8: It was something crazy.

696
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Speaker 6: And I just remember one of our early team meetings,

697
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 6: Sean Payton getting up there and being like, here's the

698
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 6: way Vegas sees this, here's the way the fans see us,

699
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 6: Like everybody thinks we got no chance, but I'm telling.

700
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Speaker 8: You right now, we are the better team.

701
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Speaker 6: So like from the very beginning, we truly felt like

702
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Speaker 6: we were.

703
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Speaker 8: The better team.

704
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 6: Now we were going to go out there and play

705
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 6: aggressive and pull out all the stops, hence the onside

706
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 6: kick to open up the second half and all that stuff.

707
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Speaker 6: But I think so much of it is creating this

708
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 6: US against the world mentality, and nobody knows until what

709
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 6: we're going to show them here, you know, on game day,

710
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 6: and just feeling like you're just you know, kind of

711
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 6: circling the wagon and you know, nobody's given us a

712
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 6: shot here, creating a little bit of that age, you know,

713
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Speaker 6: to your team going into it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I said this earlier.

715
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Speaker 1: I said New England Vrabel is going to pounce on that.

716
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 1: They're already a five point dog. I said, I guarantee

717
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Speaker 1: us he is going to play every SoundBite and show.

718
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Speaker 3: Him every clip. So that is an advantage.

719
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Speaker 1: I want to ask you, it's funny the NFL is

720
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Speaker 1: so cyclical.

721
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Speaker 3: It's an offensive league.

722
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Speaker 1: But now we've got two defensive coaches in and Jesse

723
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 1: Minter got the Ravens game, and Josh Allen doesn't have

724
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Speaker 1: a coach, so this is the first time since Belichick

725
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Speaker 1: got to a Super Bowl that we have defensive guys

726
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Speaker 1: in But I think the league is cyclical, Like we

727
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 1: were told three years ago running games didn't matter. Well,

728
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 1: I just watched Walker and Kyron Williams and Blake Krum.

729
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm sorry, but running backs were unbelievably there yesterday.

730
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Speaker 1: I want to ask you Mike McCarthy to the Steelers

731
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Speaker 1: offensive coach. I think he'll make the sensibility will matter.

732
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Speaker 1: Josh Allen, I think I would like Brian Dabole. But

733
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Speaker 1: I think it is interesting that Mike McDonald and vrabel

734
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Speaker 1: are defensive guys, but you can feel their love for

735
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Speaker 1: their young quarterbacks. And I'm not anti defensive coach, but

736
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Speaker 1: there is something to be said about getting offense understanding

737
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Speaker 1: the sensibility. Are you surprised vrabel and McDonald they just

738
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Speaker 1: seem to get their quarterback and and some defensive coaches Drew,

739
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Speaker 1: I just don't feel like that they're old school they

740
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Speaker 1: won't go for it.

741
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Speaker 4: I don't know.

742
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Speaker 1: It feels like I've got these two defensive coaches that

743
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 1: almost think like offensive guys.

744
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Speaker 3: Does that make sense?

745
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Speaker 6: Well, that's because they That's because they know what they're

746
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Speaker 6: going up against every time they step on the field

747
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 6: and how they're trying to be attacked.

748
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Speaker 8: This is what I say about those two guys.

749
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Speaker 6: In this day and age, more so than ever, with

750
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 6: head coaches, it's about being a great CEO. It's about

751
00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 6: going out and getting coaches on both sides of the ball,

752
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 6: on offense and defense that you trust to implement a system.

753
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 6: And then you trust the general manager and working collaboratly

754
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 6: collaboratively with him to go get the personnel that fits

755
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 6: the systems. But in reality, then your role as that

756
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 6: head coach and as that CEO is you manage your staff,

757
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 6: but you, more so than ever, are implementing what you

758
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 6: feel like are the keys to victory and the mindset

759
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 6: that it takes to win. But more importantly, to adhere

760
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 6: to a standard that, more so than ever now is

761
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,760
Speaker 6: the role and job of the head coach. You set

762
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:41,799
Speaker 6: the standard, You hold everyone accountable to the standard. And

763
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 6: so while you may skew one direction or the other,

764
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:47,359
Speaker 6: like hey, I came from the offensive side of the ball,

765
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:49,799
Speaker 6: or I came from the defensive side the ball. And yes,

766
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:53,919
Speaker 6: you may have contributions schematically to those sides of the ball.

767
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 6: In reality, you are just now I am managing the game.

768
00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:59,799
Speaker 6: I'm managing my team. I'm making sure these guys are

769
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 6: ready to play right, that they have the right mindset,

770
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 6: Like that is what it's all about. And I can't

771
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 6: think of two better guys that are coaching in this

772
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 6: game with Mike McDonald and Mike Vrabel that like just

773
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 6: embody that mentality.

774
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:14,400
Speaker 3: Finally minute left.

775
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Speaker 1: It didn't bother me on McVeigh going ford and fourth

776
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:20,760
Speaker 1: four or Sean Payton going for it. Didn't love Sean

777
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:21,840
Speaker 1: going for it?

778
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 4: Did it? Did it?

779
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:23,319
Speaker 3: How did it land for you?

780
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 6: Well, it's hindsight's right, twenty twenty, But you know, the

781
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 6: Denver game, I think at that point, to take the

782
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 6: points and go up to two possessions, I think it's

783
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:39,439
Speaker 6: pretty significant, right of course, you know it's fourth and one.

784
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:41,800
Speaker 8: You feel pretty good. Now, Look have they tried to

785
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 8: pound it, you.

786
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 6: Know and just get stuffed and you're like, ah, you know,

787
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:45,800
Speaker 6: we we weren't.

788
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:46,279
Speaker 8: Good enough to get it.

789
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 6: You know, you try to pull out a little trickery

790
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 6: with the with the bootleg. But nonetheless, I think going

791
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:52,799
Speaker 6: up two possessions in a game like that with a

792
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 6: young quarterback where you just all of a sudden shift

793
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 6: the pressure to the other side. Oh, by the way,

794
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 6: you know, as good as Drake May's Van, he's he's

795
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 6: still a young quarterback.

796
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 8: That's still a young you know.

797
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 6: So I played at home. Maybe take the points there.

798
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Speaker 6: I mean, look with McVeigh, you know, and you're rolling,

799
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 6: and you got Matthew Stafford, right, and you got all

800
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:19,959
Speaker 6: these weapons, you know, right. Yeah, I think I tend

801
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,840
Speaker 6: to feel like in those types of games, you take points.

802
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 8: You take the points.

803
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I get I get it.

804
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 1: I think there's some analytics I buy some I don't

805
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:32,360
Speaker 1: I in these games with the best defenses, I like points.

806
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 1: Drew Brees, you were great today as almost twenty seasons.

807
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 1: Going to be a Hall of Famer. He's eligible for

808
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:40,720
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame this year. Can't wait, Drew Brees,

809
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:45,319
Speaker 1: great stuff. Thanks thanks, Drew Bracey keel all right, good

810
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:47,319
Speaker 1: seeing you eligible this year for the Hall of Fame.

811
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:49,959
Speaker 1: And he's going to get in thirteen Pro Bowls, five

812
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:54,760
Speaker 1: All pros. Yeah, listen, we can argue back and forth.

813
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:57,320
Speaker 1: I mean you look at Stafford and you're like, we

814
00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:59,839
Speaker 1: got Seattle backed up. It's hard enough to get down

815
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:01,720
Speaker 1: the we got to take these points.

816
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 3: I get it. I also think Drew made a great point.

817
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 1: If you go for a run and it doesn't work,

818
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 1: then you can just say, well, when you try to

819
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,320
Speaker 1: get kind of clever and roll out without bo Nix,

820
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 1: that's much.

821
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 3: Easier to criticize. Oh again, Hindsight's twenty twenty.

822
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

823
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 2: and nooneaster, not a Empacific.

824
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 1: So the interweb just went crazy last night. Jimmy Johnson's yelling, screaming,

825
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:34,239
Speaker 1: throwing pots and pans. Bill Belichick, in his first year

826
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:40,399
Speaker 1: of eligibility, did not get voted into the NFL Hall

827
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Speaker 1: of Fame. Now let's start with this. He will, He's

828
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Speaker 1: a Hall of Famer. He'll get in. And we don't

829
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 1: know that he didn't get thirty nine of the fifty votes.

830
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:50,800
Speaker 1: I'm sure he got a majority. So let's just start

831
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 1: talking about is it possible possible that what I'm i

832
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 1: about to explain to you when in the consideration. Let

833
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:04,800
Speaker 1: me start with this, the winningest coach of all time,

834
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:08,360
Speaker 1: Don Shula got to a Super Bowl with Dan Marino,

835
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Speaker 1: David Woodley and Earl Morrile. He had to wait five

836
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 1: years until he was even eligible for the Hall of Fame.

837
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Speaker 3: But because of a tweak this year in the voting.

838
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:29,440
Speaker 1: And I don't like this at all, coaches now can

839
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 1: get in one year removed from being out of the league.

840
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 1: So the greatest players can't, but coaches can. Is it

841
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:43,799
Speaker 1: possible that a handful of voters, eleven twelve voters went

842
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 1: time out the classiest guy ever, the winningest guy ever,

843
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 1: the guy Belichick's been chasing forever. Don Shula had to

844
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 1: wait five years to even be eligible, and now because

845
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:58,359
Speaker 1: of a weird tweak, I got to put Belichick, who

846
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:00,879
Speaker 1: was a jerk forever, and and that does matter. I'll

847
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:03,800
Speaker 1: get to that later. Some of these voters are writers.

848
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Speaker 1: I'm going to put him in day one. Nah, I'll

849
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 1: put him in next year. That gets me to the

850
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 1: second part of this. If you take out one superstar

851
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:21,440
Speaker 1: quarterback in Belichick's career, he has a winning percentage below

852
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 1: Jerry Glanville and equal to Anthony Lynn. With Brady, his

853
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 1: team scored almost twenty nine points a game, and he

854
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:35,239
Speaker 1: won seventy seven percent of his games. Without Brady, they

855
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 1: scored nineteen points and he wins forty four percent. And

856
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 1: not only that, he was fired in Cleveland without him,

857
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,439
Speaker 1: was about to get fired in New England before Drew

858
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 1: Bledsoe got hurt. And in the minute Brady left, he

859
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 1: put a defensive coordinator in at Oc.

860
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:53,319
Speaker 3: In the one year, and.

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Speaker 1: Think about this, Mike Frabel is getting to a super

862
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 1: Bowl with Drake May, who's not even a finished product.

863
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 1: The current New d coach, Mike Vrabel got a number

864
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 1: one seed with Ryan Tannehill, the seventeen's best quarterback in

865
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 1: the league. Okay, Brady leaves and they can't score, they

866
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 1: don't get offense. They the worst drafting team in the league.

867
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Speaker 1: I mean Bill Parcells is his mentor. He won super

868
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 1: Bowls with Jeff Hosteller and Phil Simms was Parcells was

869
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 1: Belichick's mentor.

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Speaker 3: He had to wait forever. Bill Parcells.

871
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 1: Ask yourself if there was a great movie director who

872
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 1: made twenty movies. In twelve of them he had a

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Speaker 1: superstar actor and they won Oscars and they were amazing.

874
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Speaker 1: In the eight other movies, he didn't have that one

875
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Speaker 1: superstar actor and they were unwatchable. Dreck Porky's two would

876
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Speaker 1: it give you pause for five minutes ago.

877
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Speaker 3: Was it the director or the actor? Even with a stacked.

878
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:55,800
Speaker 1: Roster of the one year Brady got hurt, they couldn't

879
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:58,279
Speaker 1: make the playoffs, and again Vrabel got a number one

880
00:41:58,280 --> 00:41:59,400
Speaker 1: seed with Ryan Tannehill.

881
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 3: Okay, and here's the third part.

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Speaker 1: I'm just asking you to consider it because Belichick is

883
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Speaker 1: a Hall of Famer and will get In the third part,

884
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 1: what is the most valuable week of the year in

885
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:15,760
Speaker 1: Pro football? What is the one week of the year

886
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:20,239
Speaker 1: that the league values the most?

887
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:21,359
Speaker 3: Super Bowl Week?

888
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:25,240
Speaker 1: And in two thousand and seven it was tarnished because

889
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 1: Belichick footage of him taping another team and Roger Goodell

890
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 1: had to go to the Super Bowl and all week

891
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:41,320
Speaker 1: long address Belichick's cheating. Folks, you successful men out there,

892
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 1: there is a tax in life. You can be a

893
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:46,799
Speaker 1: great husband for forty five years, but if your wife

894
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Speaker 1: finds that one of those years you were cheating, you

895
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Speaker 1: will sleep on the couch at minimum. There is a

896
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Speaker 1: tax to pay if the most valuable week of the

897
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Speaker 1: year you blew it up once because you were taping

898
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Speaker 1: another team. So in review, Don Shula had to wait

899
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Speaker 1: five years. Parcels your mentor waited forever. Your winning percentage

900
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Speaker 1: is forty four percent without Brady, and you blew up

901
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl week. If you have several asterisks by

902
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Speaker 1: your name, is it okay to pause for a year?

903
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:35,240
Speaker 3: My staff also did an interesting thing this morning.

904
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Speaker 1: We went and looked at some of the other great

905
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Speaker 1: coaches to see how quickly they got in. Vince Lombardi,

906
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:48,879
Speaker 1: you know, the guy they named the trophy after, did

907
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:53,840
Speaker 1: not get in first year eligible. Bill Walsh, the most

908
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 1: innovative coach in the history of the league. Half the

909
00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 1: league uses his offense, not get in first year eligible.

910
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:09,879
Speaker 1: Joe Gibbs in unquestionably three Super Bowls with three different quarterbacks,

911
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:13,240
Speaker 1: the most underrated coach in the history of the league.

912
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 1: Joe Gibbs first year eligibility doesn't get in. Jimmy Johnson

913
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 1: waited forever, Parcels waited, Andy Reed'll have to wait. But

914
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 1: because they tweaked, and I don't agree with this, they

915
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Speaker 1: tweak the voting so the coaches can now get right in.

916
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 1: Somebody said Walsh didn't get in, Lombardi didn't get in,

917
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Speaker 1: Gibbs didn't get make him wait a year. They may

918
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Speaker 1: not be punishing Belichick, they're punishing the voting methodology. So again,

919
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 1: let's not argue that Bill is a Hall of Fame coach. Yes, absolutely,

920
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 1: I would have voted him in. But when you change

921
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 1: the voting methodology, I mean, this is what Biden and

922
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:03,719
Speaker 1: Trump argue.

923
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:05,840
Speaker 3: Lines, where do you vote? Who's voting for?

924
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Speaker 4: Who?

925
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:06,800
Speaker 3: Who's voting?

926
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Speaker 1: I mean, we can't even get our presidential election voting right.

927
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Speaker 1: You cheated, you rigged it you. I mean Hall of

928
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Speaker 1: Fame voting has always been wonky. I mean, baseball's got

929
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 1: a morality clause. Football doesn't. But when you change it,

930
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 1: sometimes stuff like this happens. He's getting in. But if

931
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 1: you take a deep breath, I think you have to.

932
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Speaker 1: When Brady left went to Tampa, won a Super Bowl

933
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Speaker 1: and Bill's teams were.

934
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Speaker 3: Awful, d C Doc, doesn't that make you pause a

935
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Speaker 3: little bit.

936
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Speaker 1: I mean, what makes Christopher Nolan and Spielberg and the

937
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 1: great director so amazing. They use all sorts of actors

938
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Speaker 1: and writers and they can do it.

939
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Speaker 3: That's what makes.

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Speaker 1: Joe Gibbs and Parcels and the great coach Bill Walls

941
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Speaker 1: should win. Andy Reid gets to Super Bowls with guys

942
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Speaker 1: not named the homes. Andy Reid wins with everybody. You

943
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:12,320
Speaker 1: take out Brady, you can't pause for a year and ago.

944
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 3: Again.

945
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 1: You guys are all freaking out. He's getting in. He

946
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 1: deserves to be in. But you start looking at the methodology.

947
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Speaker 1: I do not like the idea that players have to

948
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 1: wait for half a decade to be eligible and coaches

949
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:36,840
Speaker 1: can get in immediately. That makes no It's a player's league,

950
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:40,240
Speaker 1: not a coach's league. I mean, I love Andy Reid,

951
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 1: he wasn't Oyston Trophy still my homes. How about this

952
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 1: Bill can get in once Tom's in? Since there's an

953
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Speaker 1: argument to be made he was going to get fired.

954
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Speaker 1: Belichick in New England would have failed that both jobs

955
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Speaker 1: had a surly reputation and may have never had any

956
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Speaker 1: of this debate because.

957
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 3: He didn't get another head job.

958
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:08,359
Speaker 1: Brady's eligible in what twenty twenty eight?

959
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Speaker 3: Bill is eligible? Now you like that? I don't like that.

960
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 1: J Mack. Before I go to my next story, I

961
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Speaker 1: think it's interesting because when you start looking at who

962
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 1: gets in and the eligibility, Baseball's Hall of Fame is

963
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:25,359
Speaker 1: weird because they put in morality clauses, and you know, like, are.

964
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Speaker 3: You a good person? Did you cheat?

965
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Speaker 1: And There's been great consternation and debate on that the

966
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 1: NFL doesn't do that, But there are people voting on

967
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:38,719
Speaker 1: this who covered Bill. I mean, he wouldn't talk to

968
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:41,319
Speaker 1: I know two Hall of Fame voters he refused to

969
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:44,319
Speaker 1: talk to for fifteen years. He held grudges, he could

970
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 1: be petty, he could be difficult, and every business, including

971
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 1: football coaching, is a people business. There was a reason

972
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Speaker 1: when Jimmy Johnson got in on the set, all the

973
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 1: other men there cried because Jimmy'd been good to a

974
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Speaker 1: lot of people. Belichick doesn't even have a coaching tree.

975
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 3: I mean seriously, I mean it's.

976
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Speaker 1: Like Sean McVay relative to Belichick's, but in the league

977
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 1: forty five minutes, He's got a coaching forest.

978
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 3: So like, there is something to be said in your life.

979
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 1: It's not a morality thing, but if you dump on people,

980
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 1: if you're difficult. Bobby Knight's life ended sadly while he

981
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 1: was still coaching. And I'm not talking his health deterioration.

982
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:27,440
Speaker 1: I'm talking his last eight nine years of coaching. He

983
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 1: bullied people, He alienated people. Even Coach K like stop

984
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 1: connecting with him. Coach K is like, I'm not going

985
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:34,839
Speaker 1: to deal with you. I'm not going to talk with you.

986
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 1: If you treat people like that, nobody's saying you won't

987
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 1: get in. Howard Stern took forever to get it into

988
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:42,239
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame. And radio why he made fun

989
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:44,759
Speaker 1: of the Hall of Famer radio. Everybody knew he and

990
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:48,160
Speaker 1: Rush Limbaugh dominated American radio. But if you poke people

991
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:51,279
Speaker 1: in the ribs, you're difficult, You mock you, you rip.

992
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:54,840
Speaker 1: You don't be surprised if there's a little bit a

993
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 1: twelve month tax on your actions and personality. Just to

994
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 1: little bit of a tax. Just sleep on the couch

995
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:04,240
Speaker 1: for a night or two. That's all I'm saying.

996
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:07,920
Speaker 9: But can you still take the whole Hall of Fame vote? Seriously, Colin,

997
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:11,240
Speaker 9: If when you see all the fifteen twenty thirty names

998
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 9: up eligible for the Hall of Fame and you go

999
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 9: through them, you see Bill Belichick's same, that's an automatic.

1000
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:19,800
Speaker 3: He's in. He's one of my topinarships of the pressure.

1001
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 1: Right.

1002
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:21,400
Speaker 3: I mean, let's look at the president.

1003
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:25,280
Speaker 1: Why wasn't that the case with Parcels or Jimmy Johnson

1004
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:25,920
Speaker 1: or Vin F.

1005
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:30,920
Speaker 3: Lombardi or Bill Walsh or Joe Gibbs. The damn trophy

1006
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:31,839
Speaker 3: guy didn't get in.

1007
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 10: Well, Belichick has more trophies.

1008
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:35,800
Speaker 3: I think that all those guys maybe coming more trophies.

1009
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 3: It's a different world.

1010
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:40,600
Speaker 1: But if they're if you literally have a trophy named

1011
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 1: after you, you think you would have got in rather

1012
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:43,759
Speaker 1: quickly if it.

1013
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 10: He was in his infancy then back then, you know,

1014
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 10: it was really early.

1015
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 9: I'm just curious. Are you surprised by the whole Craft situation.

1016
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:54,759
Speaker 9: You know, he's been waiting, I think fourteen years to

1017
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:56,480
Speaker 9: get into the Hall of Fame, and now he would

1018
00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 9: have gone in with Belichick if they both got in

1019
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:01,320
Speaker 9: this time. And by all accounts, it sounds like Craft's

1020
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 9: getting in and Belichick is not interesting subplot given their

1021
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:07,360
Speaker 9: ugly ending in New England.

1022
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 3: Remember that beyond ugly end.

1023
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Speaker 9: I mean they initially said it was a mutually parting

1024
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:14,880
Speaker 9: of ways. Ten months later Craft on record how I

1025
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:17,319
Speaker 9: fired him. You know I took a risk on that guy.

1026
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:19,160
Speaker 9: It's been ugly between those two.

1027
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:21,239
Speaker 10: I think the subplots here are fascinating.

1028
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:21,799
Speaker 3: Comment yea, and.

1029
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 1: Again Bill's getting in. He may have gotten thirty nine

1030
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:30,440
Speaker 1: of the fifty votes, but remember in the football voting,

1031
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:33,839
Speaker 1: five people are eligible. You only get a vote for three.

1032
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 1: It's just ridiculous. So all these Hall of Fame votes

1033
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:44,760
Speaker 1: are I mean, voting in America for presidents is convoluted, difficult, redistricting.

1034
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:48,400
Speaker 3: I mean, this is what we argue about every four years.

1035
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 1: This side cheated this redistrict voting, Like for this stuff,

1036
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:54,520
Speaker 1: all voting is weird.

1037
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 3: It should be more transparent.

1038
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:57,440
Speaker 1: I think when you vote for Hall of Fame, you

1039
00:50:57,480 --> 00:50:59,080
Speaker 1: should be able to go in and say somebody gets

1040
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:01,320
Speaker 1: in or they don't. It shouldn't be limited to I

1041
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 1: can vote for two of five or three of five.

1042
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:05,360
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick. Do you think he's in or not?

1043
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 4: Yes?

1044
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 10: Yes, he shouldn't be.

1045
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 1: You shouldn't qualify it based on well, I've got to

1046
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 1: let this guy in and that guy not it. So

1047
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:17,120
Speaker 1: the whole thing, I don't mind a handful of sports

1048
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:20,360
Speaker 1: writers who covered the league forever being part of it.

1049
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:23,279
Speaker 1: I would put executives, coaches, a few of those. Like,

1050
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:25,279
Speaker 1: if you're an observer to something, you can have a

1051
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 1: right to vote in any Hall of Fame.

1052
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:28,759
Speaker 3: It could be rady. I mean I was just in

1053
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 3: a radio Hall of Fame dinner.

1054
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:32,799
Speaker 1: There were executives, there were hosts, there were local there

1055
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:35,359
Speaker 1: were syndicated, there were salespeople there.

1056
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:37,880
Speaker 3: You know, all sorts of people matter in any business.

1057
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Speaker 10: But you're right to voting, Like, I love Roger Craig.

1058
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 9: You know they were Roger Craig on the Niners, the

1059
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 9: high stepping, tough running back.

1060
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Speaker 10: He's awesome. How could you vote Roger Craig in the

1061
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:48,960
Speaker 10: Hall of Fame over Bill Belichick? Like?

1062
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Speaker 4: On no level?

1063
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:51,880
Speaker 10: Does that make it? Remember pronounce of sense remembers just

1064
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:52,319
Speaker 10: one guy.

1065
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Speaker 3: I'm just saying, but Bill is going to get in

1066
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 3: he is, Yeah, he's just sleeping on the couch. How

1067
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Speaker 3: about that? One more heard?

1068
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Speaker 2: The Herd streams twenty four hours a day, seven days

1069
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1070
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1071
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Speaker 1: Well the author of six books, five are New York

1072
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Speaker 1: Times best selling a best selling books.

1073
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Speaker 3: He is now at the Athletic. He's been at the

1074
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Speaker 3: New York Post.

1075
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Speaker 1: To me is the most dependable columnist in America, A

1076
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Speaker 1: great reporter and a great writer and a friend.

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Speaker 3: Ian O'Connor joining us now live. The article in The Athletic.

1078
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Speaker 1: Today very comprehensive, and it pointed to what I said

1079
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Speaker 1: about spygate. I would have voted Bill in, but I'm

1080
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 1: not going to hammer the people sports writers, whoever it

1081
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Speaker 1: is who said listen spygate. The NFL doesn't make Ian

1082
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 1: a regular habit of taking away first round picks and

1083
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:53,959
Speaker 1: third round picks.

1084
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Speaker 3: There were two spy Gates. They were warned for seven years.

1085
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Speaker 1: So how do you answer to the people that say, yes,

1086
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:03,839
Speaker 1: he's the best coach of all time, but there has

1087
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 1: to be attacks on Spygate.

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Speaker 4: I think it's a fair opinion, Colin.

1089
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 11: I would just say this, Let's take early in the

1090
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:15,800
Speaker 11: two thousand and seven season when it's uncovered and he

1091
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 11: is found to have cheated and broken the rules and

1092
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 11: all that was spygate. If you go forward from that

1093
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:24,520
Speaker 11: point on, so I'm going to hand you back his first.

1094
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 4: Three Super Bowl Championship trophies. Take them off the board.

1095
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:31,239
Speaker 4: Okare yours go from that point forward? He went to

1096
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:33,000
Speaker 4: six Super Bowls, he won three of them.

1097
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:35,560
Speaker 11: He went to nine AFC Championship games and won twelve

1098
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:40,560
Speaker 11: divisions division titles. I mean, so, I think spygate should

1099
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:42,440
Speaker 11: have been brought up in the discussion with.

1100
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:44,239
Speaker 4: The voting committee without question.

1101
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 11: But I think it's a five minute discussion, because if

1102
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:49,879
Speaker 11: you just go forward from two thousand and seven when

1103
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:52,319
Speaker 11: he was caught early in Week one, so he goes

1104
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:54,600
Speaker 11: eighteen and zero, maybe the best team in the history

1105
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 11: of American sports not to win a championship, and.

1106
00:53:57,280 --> 00:54:00,560
Speaker 4: Then does what he does in big games going forward.

1107
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:03,680
Speaker 11: He's a slam dunk Hall of Famer, even if you

1108
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:04,319
Speaker 11: hand back the.

1109
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:07,840
Speaker 4: First three trophies. So that's how I would handle it.

1110
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:10,239
Speaker 11: I think it is worthy of being discussed, but it

1111
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:13,680
Speaker 11: should have been maybe a five minute part of the conversation,

1112
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:15,279
Speaker 11: and it was longer than that.

1113
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:16,120
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1114
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:18,480
Speaker 1: I mean, by the way, you have a Baseball Hall

1115
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:21,440
Speaker 1: of Fame vote and there were PD situations, how did

1116
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:23,800
Speaker 1: you view the PD stuff in baseball as attacks?

1117
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:29,320
Speaker 11: So just like I felt that Belichick's career completely overwhelmed Spygate,

1118
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:32,520
Speaker 11: I feel like in the case of Roger Clemens and

1119
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:36,920
Speaker 11: Barry Bonds, same thing. Seven time MVP with Bonds, seven

1120
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:40,719
Speaker 11: time Cy Young winner in Clemens, the two most decorated

1121
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:43,960
Speaker 11: players in the history of the BBWAA, the organization I

1122
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 11: represent when I cast the ballot, So I voted for

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00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:47,279
Speaker 11: those two guys.

1124
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:49,280
Speaker 4: They are two of the top eight players.

1125
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 11: In the history of Baseball by the measurement of war.

1126
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:55,920
Speaker 11: And I didn't vote for the other ped guys because

1127
00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 11: I felt they fell below that standard and should be

1128
00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:03,879
Speaker 11: penalized for their cheating. When you completely overwhelmed the transgression

1129
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:07,120
Speaker 11: the way Belichick did, then I think again, you are

1130
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:09,840
Speaker 11: a no brainer Hall of Famer, and that should have

1131
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:12,640
Speaker 11: been the case here instead of the biggest embarrassment in

1132
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:13,799
Speaker 11: the history of the Hall of Fame.

1133
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 3: All the this is good stuff. Okay, it is interesting,

1134
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:21,680
Speaker 3: is that?

1135
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:24,400
Speaker 1: And I wouldn't hold this against him, But Jimmy Johnson,

1136
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:28,920
Speaker 1: without Troy Aikman in his prime, went to Miami with

1137
00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:32,680
Speaker 1: an old Immobile Marino and actually had a higher winning

1138
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 1: percentage in Miami than he did in Dallas. Joe Gibbs

1139
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:42,000
Speaker 1: won three Super Bowls with three different quarterbacks, Parcels won

1140
00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:45,080
Speaker 1: two with Hostetler and Sims. And by the way, Bill

1141
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:49,279
Speaker 1: Walsh and Vince Lombardi did not get in the first

1142
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:54,040
Speaker 1: year of eligibility. Could I argue this with Belichick? Okay, Bill, listen,

1143
00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:57,919
Speaker 1: they just changed the methodology. If Shula had to wait

1144
00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:02,359
Speaker 1: five years and by the way, got to the Super

1145
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:05,520
Speaker 1: Bowl with David Woodley, Earl Morel and Marino I'm not

1146
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:09,839
Speaker 1: putting you in first year when the accumulation of Spygate,

1147
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:12,120
Speaker 1: your record without Brady everybody else waited.

1148
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:13,800
Speaker 3: Is that a reasonable argument?

1149
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:15,719
Speaker 4: I don't think so.

1150
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:19,480
Speaker 11: Again, I think the record is so staggering with or

1151
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:21,880
Speaker 11: without the cheating that he has to go in on

1152
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:22,560
Speaker 11: the first ballot.

1153
00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:23,239
Speaker 4: It's not his fault.

1154
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:24,920
Speaker 11: They change the rules and they no longer have to

1155
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:27,759
Speaker 11: wait five years, and it's a one year deal, and

1156
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:31,160
Speaker 11: he's in front of you. I just there's no good

1157
00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:35,040
Speaker 11: excuse for not voting for the greatest NFL coach of

1158
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:37,359
Speaker 11: all time, no matter how you slice it. Now, listen,

1159
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:39,799
Speaker 11: the Hall of Fame needs to fix some things here.

1160
00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:44,640
Speaker 11: You can't have senior players competing against coaches and contributors

1161
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:47,600
Speaker 11: in a category where you're only allowed to vote for

1162
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:49,840
Speaker 11: three of the five guys. Why can't you vote for

1163
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:51,680
Speaker 11: all five if you think they're worthy. If that were

1164
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:54,040
Speaker 11: the case, Belichick would be in and you wouldn't have

1165
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:55,000
Speaker 11: this embarrassment.

1166
00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:57,480
Speaker 4: And so the other thing.

1167
00:56:57,640 --> 00:56:59,719
Speaker 11: This is a minor tweak, but it would help go

1168
00:56:59,840 --> 00:57:02,560
Speaker 11: for eighty percent down to seventy five percent, which is

1169
00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:03,640
Speaker 11: the baseball standard.

1170
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:07,279
Speaker 4: Yes, and I think if that had been in play here,

1171
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:08,279
Speaker 4: already if.

1172
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:13,520
Speaker 11: Those rules, and listen, Dion Sanders and other players complained

1173
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:15,960
Speaker 11: in the past that was too easy to get into

1174
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:17,320
Speaker 11: the Hall of Fame, and that was the reason why

1175
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:20,400
Speaker 11: they overcorrected. Now they got to over correct going back

1176
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:23,520
Speaker 11: the other way because the backlog is such where guys

1177
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:27,160
Speaker 11: like even Tom Coughlin and other coaches now have to

1178
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:30,440
Speaker 11: probably wait another year because Belichick will go in next year.

1179
00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:34,960
Speaker 4: That backlog is getting dangerous and it needs to be corrected.

1180
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:38,400
Speaker 1: Okay, Eli Manning second year didn't get in. I would

1181
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:41,280
Speaker 1: put him in probably second ballot. I wouldn't put him

1182
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:43,040
Speaker 1: first ballot. I don't think you can tell the story

1183
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:46,560
Speaker 1: of the league without Eli Manning. In fact, you can't.

1184
00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:50,080
Speaker 1: I do think it's not that he won two Super Bowls.

1185
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:53,160
Speaker 1: I think it's so significant that he beat Belichick the

1186
00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:56,240
Speaker 1: best coach, Brady the best player, And there's an argument

1187
00:57:57,600 --> 00:58:01,280
Speaker 1: outside of the Bradshaw Lynn Swan catch, he had the

1188
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:07,240
Speaker 1: two most memorable catches in Super Bowl history. I wouldn't

1189
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:09,240
Speaker 1: put him in first ballot because he was kind of

1190
00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:12,000
Speaker 1: a middling regular season quarterback.

1191
00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:14,160
Speaker 3: I would have put him in on this ballot. Am

1192
00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:15,000
Speaker 3: I reaching there?

1193
00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:16,160
Speaker 4: No?

1194
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:18,840
Speaker 11: I think that's right. I'm not sure he's a first

1195
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:21,880
Speaker 11: ballot guy either. And he was a five hundred quarterback

1196
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:24,800
Speaker 11: in the regular season. He only won postseason games in

1197
00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:27,800
Speaker 11: the two years he won Super Bowls. But those performances,

1198
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:30,520
Speaker 11: those throws down the stretch to beat the greatest coach

1199
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:33,560
Speaker 11: quarterback partnership in the history of the league, playing in

1200
00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:36,120
Speaker 11: New York, with that last name following his brother, I

1201
00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:38,680
Speaker 11: do think those are tiebreakers that go in his favor.

1202
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:41,840
Speaker 11: And yeah, is he a first ballot guy? Probably not,

1203
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:43,960
Speaker 11: But I would have put him in this year and

1204
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 11: I think he will. I think he will eventually get in.

1205
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:50,040
Speaker 11: But again, that backlog with modern era players, it's going

1206
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:52,520
Speaker 11: to get dicey, and the Hall of Fame needs to

1207
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:57,800
Speaker 11: ease the voting standards, the floor of the induction standards

1208
00:58:57,880 --> 00:59:00,240
Speaker 11: have to be changed and to allow some of these

1209
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:01,400
Speaker 11: worthy players to get in.

1210
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:04,880
Speaker 1: Okay, so you wrote another book. I read Out of

1211
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:08,720
Speaker 1: the Darkness, The Mystery of Aaron Rodgers. Fantastic read. So

1212
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:11,800
Speaker 1: and I want to you you can take your time

1213
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:12,680
Speaker 1: obviously on this.

1214
00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:14,560
Speaker 3: Is that I said.

1215
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:17,320
Speaker 1: I can see Mike McCarthy and Aaron saying, let's just

1216
00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:20,120
Speaker 1: make it work. Let's sew this wound up. Let's just

1217
00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:22,480
Speaker 1: do it. I can also see the Steelers saying, we

1218
00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:26,880
Speaker 1: drafted Will Howard. It's a great draft next year for quarterbacks. Aaron,

1219
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:28,920
Speaker 1: we want to see if Will come play. We got

1220
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:30,720
Speaker 1: to figure this out. We're going to give him seventeen start.

1221
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:33,160
Speaker 1: We don't want him sitting it behind you. Either way,

1222
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:38,520
Speaker 1: I'd be comfortable with. Aaron has said publicly, Mike and

1223
00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:41,440
Speaker 1: I are good. Mike has said it publicly. You know

1224
00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:44,440
Speaker 1: as well as anybody. What people say, you know, in

1225
00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:47,120
Speaker 1: front of the camera is not what they're saying behind it.

1226
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:51,120
Speaker 1: Do you think McCarthy and Aaron could work for at

1227
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:52,720
Speaker 1: least one year in Pittsburgh together.

1228
00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:53,920
Speaker 8: I do.

1229
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:56,680
Speaker 11: I do, and I did speak with both Aaron and

1230
00:59:56,800 --> 00:59:59,240
Speaker 11: McCarthy for my book. I did ask them that question,

1231
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:02,440
Speaker 11: and their relationship is better now than it ever was

1232
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:05,720
Speaker 11: when they were together in Green Bay, and Rogers said

1233
01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:09,040
Speaker 11: to me, listen, we did butt heads from time to time,

1234
01:00:09,080 --> 01:00:10,920
Speaker 11: even though I think it was more often than that.

1235
01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:13,200
Speaker 11: But at the end of the day, we lit it

1236
01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:15,280
Speaker 11: up for a lot of years. And what people forget

1237
01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:18,720
Speaker 11: is Mike McCarthy changed Aaron Rodgers' entire style of play

1238
01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:21,560
Speaker 11: when he got him out of cal He was very robotic,

1239
01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:24,560
Speaker 11: he had the ball back at his ear haul, and

1240
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:27,600
Speaker 11: McCarthy loosened him up and made him a more athletic

1241
01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:30,800
Speaker 11: player and really helped develop him into an all time

1242
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:31,840
Speaker 11: great and never get to.

1243
01:00:31,840 --> 01:00:34,800
Speaker 4: Any credit for that. So listen, McCarthy's on record saying

1244
01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:37,800
Speaker 4: you want them. Most of the Steelers' players want him back,

1245
01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:41,480
Speaker 4: if not all of them. And so I think that Rogers.

1246
01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:43,840
Speaker 11: Will play one more year because it is McCarthy. He

1247
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:46,440
Speaker 11: might be the only coach that he would have stayed

1248
01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:49,800
Speaker 11: in Pittsburgh to play for. So what is the ceiling

1249
01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:54,080
Speaker 11: for this partnership. Probably eleven and six at best, winning

1250
01:00:54,120 --> 01:00:57,040
Speaker 11: a playoff game. So if you're a Steelers fan, you're saying, what,

1251
01:00:57,160 --> 01:01:00,160
Speaker 11: we can't win the super Bowl with this partnership, but

1252
01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:02,160
Speaker 11: we can have a productive season.

1253
01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:04,120
Speaker 4: I will say if they're three.

1254
01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:07,120
Speaker 11: And six, I think there needs to be a discussion

1255
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:09,560
Speaker 11: about maybe even in advance though you don't want to

1256
01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:11,280
Speaker 11: deal in negative hypotheticals.

1257
01:01:11,640 --> 01:01:13,400
Speaker 4: But then Will Howard has to be in play.

1258
01:01:13,600 --> 01:01:16,440
Speaker 11: If the season is getting away from McCarthy and Rogers,

1259
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:19,200
Speaker 11: then I think they have to turn to the young quarterback.

1260
01:01:21,720 --> 01:01:24,320
Speaker 1: You know, yesterday a lot of fan Listen, people don't

1261
01:01:24,320 --> 01:01:25,600
Speaker 1: trust the media, they don't like us.

1262
01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:28,440
Speaker 3: They trust you, but they don't like me.

1263
01:01:29,160 --> 01:01:30,000
Speaker 4: They don't like me either.

1264
01:01:30,080 --> 01:01:34,120
Speaker 1: So I said this yesterday, I said, the only baseball

1265
01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:36,840
Speaker 1: player to ever get in, I believe with one hundred

1266
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:40,880
Speaker 1: percent of the votes is Mariano Rivera. He's not doing

1267
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:44,120
Speaker 1: it on innings pitched. He's doing it on excellence. And

1268
01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:48,960
Speaker 1: he was maybe the most humble, graceful, gracious athlete. You know,

1269
01:01:49,120 --> 01:01:51,640
Speaker 1: he's in that Cofax where you can't find a bad

1270
01:01:51,720 --> 01:01:55,480
Speaker 1: word about him. And I mean Hank Aaron, Ken, Griffy,

1271
01:01:56,120 --> 01:01:57,880
Speaker 1: I mean, there's just all these great players. You're like,

1272
01:01:58,120 --> 01:02:00,760
Speaker 1: they can get one hundred percent of the vote. And

1273
01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:04,040
Speaker 1: so my take is Mariana was such a pleasure to

1274
01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:08,280
Speaker 1: deal with that it did matter to the voters is

1275
01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:11,400
Speaker 1: that they liked him and people and people yesterday said, well,

1276
01:02:11,400 --> 01:02:15,000
Speaker 1: you guys didn't like Belichick. And my take is, listen,

1277
01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:22,240
Speaker 1: it's not that Bill didn't ignore the media. He was obnoxious. Again,

1278
01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:26,080
Speaker 1: it shouldn't count, But I think Bill needed a tad

1279
01:02:26,280 --> 01:02:29,640
Speaker 1: bit of awareness for the last fifteen years in New England.

1280
01:02:29,720 --> 01:02:32,640
Speaker 3: Knowing those are the guys voting for you, What do

1281
01:02:32,720 --> 01:02:33,240
Speaker 3: you make of.

1282
01:02:33,320 --> 01:02:35,960
Speaker 1: The assertion that people just had it out for Bill

1283
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:41,840
Speaker 1: because he wasn't He wasn't you know, he was overly harsh, blunt,

1284
01:02:42,360 --> 01:02:44,080
Speaker 1: and dismissive of the media.

1285
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:46,920
Speaker 11: And by the way, Colin, did you know that eleven

1286
01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:50,160
Speaker 11: voters did not vote for Babe Ruth on the first ballot?

1287
01:02:50,320 --> 01:02:52,560
Speaker 3: I read that yesterday. I read that.

1288
01:02:54,160 --> 01:02:57,120
Speaker 11: So you can't please everybody, I guess I would say

1289
01:02:57,200 --> 01:03:00,439
Speaker 11: that had nothing to do with it with Belichick. Talked

1290
01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:04,440
Speaker 11: to a number of voters and just my own experience

1291
01:03:04,520 --> 01:03:06,920
Speaker 11: with the guy, and I understand he was difficult to

1292
01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:08,160
Speaker 11: deal with at times.

1293
01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:10,640
Speaker 4: From a media perspective, but I really do not believe

1294
01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:11,120
Speaker 4: that was it.

1295
01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:13,959
Speaker 11: It was part of it was Hey, some people wanted

1296
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:16,760
Speaker 11: to punish him for one year because of Spygate and

1297
01:03:16,840 --> 01:03:19,920
Speaker 11: maybe a little bit of the flay Gate. I think voting,

1298
01:03:20,640 --> 01:03:22,320
Speaker 11: a lot of people wanted to vote for the senior

1299
01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:25,880
Speaker 11: players instead of the coach and the contributor, and other

1300
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:28,400
Speaker 11: people assume Belichick was getting in, Well, he doesn't need

1301
01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:30,440
Speaker 11: my vote, so I'm going to reserve my votes for

1302
01:03:30,520 --> 01:03:31,160
Speaker 11: other candidates.

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Speaker 4: There was a lot of that. I think Spygate probably

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Speaker 4: cost him three or four votes out of the eleven

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Speaker 4: or twelve.

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Speaker 11: But that cost them induction, right, And that's where we

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Speaker 11: go back to whether or not you believe a one

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Speaker 11: year penalty was warranted, and in my opinion it wasn't,

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Speaker 11: simply because the winning was so staggering that it just

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Speaker 11: knocked Spygate out of the park.

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Speaker 1: Well, one final question, Ian O'Connor at the Athletic for

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Speaker 1: our radio audience, it has been suggested, and you would

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Speaker 1: know this, that Robert Kraft didn't want to go in

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Speaker 1: the same year as Belichick.

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Speaker 3: He didn't want to be and they don't see eye

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Speaker 3: to eye.

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Speaker 4: There was a.

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Speaker 1: Documentary done that did feel like Belichick. It felt like

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Speaker 1: Craft wanted to lean in a little bit on Belichick.

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Speaker 1: I think that's reasonable. What about that assertion. I don't

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Speaker 1: think it's a conspiracy theory. I don't think it rises

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Speaker 1: to that. I think it's a reasonable discussion that Craft

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Speaker 1: squeeze some people.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess it's possible.

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Speaker 11: I do know that Belichick would walk by Craft in

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Speaker 11: the hallway sometimes and not even say hi to them.

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Speaker 11: And at the end of the day, Kraft deserves a

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Speaker 11: lot of credit for keeping that group together.

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Speaker 4: For Brady and Belichick, obviously at odds of.

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Speaker 11: Times it was really more like Brady and Craft versus

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Speaker 11: Belichick than anything else. But they made it work over time.

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Speaker 11: They deserved a lot of credit for that. I think

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Speaker 11: it's possible Craft might have whispered to a couple of voters.

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Speaker 11: And I do think that he would love to get

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Speaker 11: into the Hall of Fame ahead of Bill Belichick. He's

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Speaker 11: been waiting long enough, by the way, A Craft has

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Speaker 11: gone to eleven Super Bowls since Terry Jones has appeared

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Speaker 11: in one and Jones is in the Hall of Fame

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Speaker 11: and Craft isn't.

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Speaker 4: So maybe that gets rectified now. We'll see. But yeah,

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Speaker 4: he would love to get in ahead of Bill without question. Ian.

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Speaker 3: It's great to see you.

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Speaker 1: Good luck to you and the fam, and I love

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Speaker 1: your work at the Athletic Congrats on all your success.

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Speaker 4: You're the best calm.

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Speaker 3: Thanks all right, very comprehensive.

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Speaker 1: If there's ever a big story, that's the one of

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Speaker 1: the two or three people I go to Ian O'Connor.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's it. You know, the Craft thing. There

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Speaker 3: was that documentary? Was that done by?

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Speaker 4: Who did that documentary?

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Speaker 3: Did Apple do that? All right? It wasn't Gotham Chopra.

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Speaker 3: It was it was Apple.

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Speaker 1: Okay, it was Apple, all right, because there was that

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Speaker 1: documentary done, and I know a lot of Patriot fans

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Speaker 1: thought it was very heavy handed. They thought it was

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Speaker 1: very much beating up on Bill and I watched it

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Speaker 1: and I thought it did favor Craft. I don't think

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Speaker 1: I took.

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Speaker 3: It to that level.

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Speaker 1: It Listen, when you're difficult, you know, I've used the

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Speaker 1: argument of Bobby Knight, when you're just difficult and and

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Speaker 1: and rough and kurt and dismissive, you're gonna wear some

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Speaker 1: people out.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's it's that's just life. That's the way

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Speaker 3: it is. It was it was Apple, let's see.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, produced by Brian Grazer.

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Speaker 3: Okay, thanks guys, and Ron Howard.

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Speaker 1: Okay, there it was so there's so many documentaries out

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Speaker 1: there on dynasties.

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Speaker 3: I'd lose count.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, people felt that it was a little heavy handed.

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Speaker 1: Robert Kraft had his way in the documentary. It did

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Speaker 1: feel like it was. It was definitely pro Robert Kraft.

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Speaker 1: Who I mean, eleven Super Bowls, four franchises. I've never

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Speaker 1: been to one.