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Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg Law with June Brussel from Bloomberg Radio.

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Speaker 1: So look, all I wanna do is this. I just

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Speaker 1: want to find uh thousand seven votes, which is one

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Speaker 1: more that we have because we won the state. The

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Speaker 1: phone call between former President Donald Trump and the Georgia

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Speaker 1: Secretary of State Brad Rathinsburger seems to be the centerpiece

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Speaker 1: of the criminal investigation in Georgia into whether Trump and

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Speaker 1: others broke the lawn by trying to pressure state officials

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Speaker 1: into throwing out Joe Biden's presidential election victory. And now

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Speaker 1: Fulton County District Attorney Fannie Willis has gotten the courts

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Speaker 1: permission to convene a special grand jury in the investigation,

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Speaker 1: joining me as former federal Prosecutor Robert Mintz, a partner

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Speaker 1: McCarter and English Bob. Why did the prosecutor request a

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Speaker 1: special grand The Fulton County District Attorney made that request

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Speaker 1: because she said that key witnesses and the investigation, including

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Speaker 1: for example, the Georgia's Secretary of State, would not cooperate

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Speaker 1: without being subpoena to testify. So the special grand jury

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Speaker 1: was created to give her the power to bring these

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Speaker 1: individuals before the grand jury. Interestingly, the special grand Jury

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Speaker 1: gives her the power to have a grand jury whose

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Speaker 1: sole focus is this investigation, and they're able to meet

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Speaker 1: on a more regular basis and will move this investigation

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Speaker 1: along at a much quicker pace. Of course, the big

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Speaker 1: question is whether Trump's attempts to reverse the outcome in

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Speaker 1: Georgia were criminal. What will the prosecutor be looking at?

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Speaker 1: The phone Country District Attorney is going to look at

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Speaker 1: certain key events that occurred on January See Specifically, at

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Speaker 1: three pm on Saturday, there was a phone call which

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Speaker 1: was recorded between President Trump on the Secretary of State

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Speaker 1: in which prosect shooters may alleged that President Trump tried

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Speaker 1: to push and coerce this in Secretary of State into

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Speaker 1: counting George's presidential votes in a way that favored President Trump. Specifically,

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Speaker 1: the language in the phone call includes President Trump stating

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Speaker 1: to the Secretary of State, I think it's pretty clear

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Speaker 1: that we won. We won very substantially in Georgia. And

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Speaker 1: then the President, according to the tape, went on to say,

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Speaker 1: because you know what they did and you're not reporting it.

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Speaker 1: That's a criminal offense and you can't let that happen.

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Speaker 1: And then he says, what is probably the key in

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Speaker 1: that phone call, the key words in that telephone call.

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Speaker 1: All I want to do is this. I want to

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Speaker 1: find eleven thousand seven under eight votes, which is more

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Speaker 1: than we have because we won the state. That's going

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Speaker 1: to be the key fact in that investigation, and prosecutors

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Speaker 1: will try to prove that what the president was doing

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Speaker 1: was the reatening the Secretary of State that if he

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Speaker 1: did not yield to that request, that he himself could

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Speaker 1: face criminal charges. That is what the case will be about.

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Speaker 1: The particular statutes that the prosecutor in Georgia will be

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Speaker 1: looking at our two criminal solicitation to commit election fraud,

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Speaker 1: conspiracy to commit election fraud. George's conspiracy to commit election

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Speaker 1: frond statute makes it a crime when one conspires or

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Speaker 1: agrees with another to violate Georgia's election laws. And what's

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Speaker 1: important here is that that crime, as with any conspiracy law,

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Speaker 1: and one overt act is taken in further into that conspiracy.

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Speaker 1: But it is not necessary to prove that the conspiracy

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Speaker 1: was consummated In other words, the scheme does not have

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Speaker 1: makes it a crime when a person commits the offense

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Speaker 1: of criminal solicitation to commit election fraud. When was that

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Speaker 1: intent another person engages in conduct that constitutes of felony. Here,

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Speaker 1: the underlying felony would essentially be tampering with the election results,

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Speaker 1: the phone call would almost be enough. That's a great question.

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Speaker 1: It does seem like the phone call is quite damning,

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Speaker 1: but when you look closely at the words that were spoken,

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Speaker 1: it is not nearly as clear cut as it first appears.

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Speaker 1: The key language in that phone call is when President

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Speaker 1: Trump allegedly said to the Secretary of State, all I

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Speaker 1: entire case turns on the intent of the president. Did

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Speaker 1: what prosecutors would have to prove in order to make

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Speaker 1: that a prosecutor can get a grand jury to indict

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Speaker 1: does the prosecutor consider whether or not you can actually

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Speaker 1: That's the lowest standard we have in our criminal justice system.

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Speaker 1: There's probable cause in order to get the indictment. However,

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Speaker 1: this case were to go to trial. It seems that

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Speaker 1: most people looking at all the possible criminal cases against Trump.

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Speaker 1: See the Georgia case as the most direct and having

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Speaker 1: it is the most clear cut case in the sense

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Speaker 1: that the facts are not particularly complicated. It also has

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Speaker 1: having an actual tape of President Trump speaking to the

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Speaker 1: And of course there are parallel investigations by the New

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Speaker 1: and so she released a hundred fifty seven page court document.

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Speaker 1: What did you see that struck you there. What's important

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Speaker 1: documents and answer questions about the series of valuations of

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Speaker 1: That was meant was a motion to quash from the

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Speaker 1: But it's important to note that the Attorney General's investigation

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Speaker 1: So the Attorney General claims that Trump's financial filings have

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Speaker 1: since is the problem? How hard it is to convict

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Speaker 1: For one thing, it's a complicated financial fraud case, and

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Speaker 1: And the documents themselves are complicated. They're complicated financial documents

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Speaker 1: that she is trying to prove objectively that these valuations

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