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Speaker 1: the hugest calves I ever seen. Next guest, Dante Hi Tower. Danta,

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Speaker 1: I mean Dante Hi Tower, Danta, Dante hi Jolan.

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Speaker 1: I'll get into it after Ai. And which AI have

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Speaker 1: AI synopsis. Obviously, I'm improving my speaking skills because I

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Speaker 1: being complete dudes overall. Synopsis synopsis all right, here we

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Speaker 2: He's a former NFL linebacker. Dante high Tower is a

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Speaker 2: former NFL linebacker known for his leadership and versatility on

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Speaker 2: the field. A two time Pro bowler, high Tower played

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Speaker 2: his entire nine year NFL career with the New England Patriots,

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Speaker 2: England Patriots, nine, helping the team win three Super Bowl titles.

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Speaker 2: Just like myself helping the New England Patriots win three

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Speaker 2: Super Bowl titles. I love this guy already. Prior to

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Speaker 2: two BCS national championships. This prising guy is a winner,

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Speaker 2: that's all I know. Five championships at the highest level,

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Speaker 2: a thirteen to fourteen year period. Ridiculous winner winner Chicken Danner,

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Speaker 2: that's for sure. Born and raised in Lewisburg, Tennessee. Oh,

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Speaker 2: the Walls must not like him.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to go to him. See wow, maybe

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Speaker 1: shots fired all right.

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Speaker 2: High Tower was known for his high football IQ and

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Speaker 2: relentless work ethic. After retiring in twenty twenty two, high

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Speaker 2: Tower joined the Patriots coaching staff while also pursuing business ventures,

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Speaker 1: Oh that's my guy.

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Speaker 2: He is calm and does have that demeanor of being relaxed,

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Speaker 1: first thing that comes to mind when you think about Dante.

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Speaker 2: I'm scared of Dante high Tower. But the first thing

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Speaker 2: So if you can put that up, please and show

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Speaker 2: dog slay dogs. Shot fire more shots fire that former teammates,

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Speaker 2: Pum pum. We love shooting shots at our former teammates.

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Speaker 2: Please shoot them back. We appreciate that there's one guy

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Speaker 2: who can't handle our shots fired at him. Think of

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Speaker 2: I was scared of. Actually he was what first round

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Speaker 2: Six four six three, you know, sixty and can move

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Speaker 2: You want to know why, Because they got that leverage.

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Speaker 1: You gotta piss it. You mustn't do something crazy, because

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Speaker 1: Did you yeah, how'd you know?

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Speaker 2: Because I was facing I'm like this guy freaking good.

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Speaker 1: looks like he has two houses for calves. His calves

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Speaker 1: And Dante was a smart ass football player, smart, very

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Speaker 1: He goes, what, Bro? Whatever? You know, he's like a whiz.

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Speaker 1: He's a fucking whizz, this guy. He's insane on call

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Speaker 2: Well that's why he's a football coach. Now for the

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Speaker 2: I feel like Dante's always feeling good. Man, He's never

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Speaker 2: That's how scary he was. That coach was even scared

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Speaker 2: and Bill loves Yeah, he did. We're offense. That's why

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Speaker 1: Who else had the Bill pass?

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Speaker 1: You know Devin Belichick mccordy, I mean that's one of

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Speaker 1: No, I was thinking more of the past. You know

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Speaker 2: Where would you rank him as an all time you know,

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Speaker 2: And he knocked him right down and he stopped him

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Speaker 1: I still who blew your back out?

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Speaker 2: What was a big play that you can recall?

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Speaker 1: The guy always had a big play when the team

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Speaker 1: I remember him. He'd be middle linebacker and we put

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Speaker 1: He go, Jewels, don't you fucking call me Danta? I go,

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Speaker 1: My name is Dante. I'm like, all right, Danta, Jules, Jules.

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Speaker 2: Even I knew it was Dante, you must have must

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Speaker 1: I just wanted to call him Dante to make fun

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Speaker 2: Well, what kind of dude is he?

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Speaker 1: What kind of dude is the.

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Speaker 2: Kind of dude Danta? I mean Dante? You're getting me

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Speaker 2: on that freaking I'm telling.

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Speaker 1: You, whatever you do, if you see Dante, do not

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Speaker 1: call him Dante. He'll get really mad at you. He'll

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Speaker 1: blame it on me. He'll fucking blame it on me.

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Speaker 1: Don't call him Dante. What kind of dude is Dante?

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Speaker 1: I mean he's he looks like a goddamn stud.

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Speaker 2: He does look like a stud.

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Speaker 1: He's a freak too. I mean, he's got house for calves.

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Speaker 2: I feel like he's he hits dog categories. He's a dudes.

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Speaker 1: Dude, He's a dude. Yeah, he hits them all on three.

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Speaker 1: Let's let's see which one on three?

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Speaker 2: Hold on, I gotta think about it real quick.

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Speaker 2: He's all five, So let me try to pinpoint it

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Speaker 2: down the one.

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Speaker 1: On three, one two three studs. I think he's a stud.

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Speaker 2: I think he's a whiz.

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Speaker 1: That's why he's a coach now he is a coach.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and he knew the game of football like no other.

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Speaker 1: I mean he's got a national chance.

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Speaker 2: He has, he has, he has five you know, championship said, and.

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Speaker 1: Like he was a first round linebacker. He had a

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Speaker 2: But making big plays in a big game is a whiz, Jules,

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Speaker 2: because he knew when to make that play to turn

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he is like.

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Speaker 2: A but I would I would say, though we're trying

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Speaker 2: that's how you become a true whiz. So therefore he

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Speaker 2: being a whiz didn't really lead him to where he

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Speaker 2: needs to be. Maybe now, as a coach, going back

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Speaker 2: to that, I'm going to have to categorize him as

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Speaker 2: back at it again and try again. Ready, one, two three?

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Speaker 1: Stud? For he saw his cats. You just it would

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Speaker 2: Standing six foot three and weighing two hundred and fifty

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Speaker 2: nosed NFL career built on grit and versatility. He grew

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Speaker 2: IVY League recognition. He was smart guy. We started that.

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Speaker 2: I shared a room with him my whole career. Very

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Speaker 2: very smart. I don't think he ever made a mistake. Well,

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Speaker 2: let's get back to this. In the pros, he switched

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Speaker 1: Let's get on, James Devlyn.

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Speaker 2: We got to ask you why, James Devlin.

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Speaker 3: I picked James one because I think he did all

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Speaker 1: Rob.

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Speaker 3: I do think you were kind of an honorary offensive

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Speaker 2: What is it?

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Speaker 1: Remember, James Devon was just bring the smelling saw.

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Speaker 2: You know there's illegal Now.

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Speaker 1: They're not illegal, they just can't be given to you

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Speaker 2: Ooh, that's strong.

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Speaker 1: That's what James Devlyn.

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Speaker 2: All good looking up my sinuses, give you a little

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Speaker 3: Everyone did everything way he attacked the weight room, way

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Speaker 3: The workouts this dude would come up with, so like

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Speaker 3: went to Brown, played d N there, then went to

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00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:59,160
Speaker 3: the Arena League. I think he played in the UFL

434
00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:02,760
Speaker 3: then Sincey and then came to New England and then

435
00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:05,560
Speaker 3: made a great career in New England. I mean that's

436
00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:09,000
Speaker 3: that's how, you know, talk about taking advantage of the opportunities.

437
00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:11,280
Speaker 3: That was something I was trying to do my rookie year.

438
00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:14,639
Speaker 3: Like he lived it all, did it all, uh, you know,

439
00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:17,280
Speaker 3: and people are like, oh, yeah, you were undrafted. I'm like, yeah,

440
00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:19,399
Speaker 3: it was not as much of a grind as like

441
00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:23,080
Speaker 3: someone like this guy afl ufl like I went to

442
00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:24,760
Speaker 3: the UF what was that for a year and.

443
00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:27,399
Speaker 2: With the dying position at full back as well. I

444
00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:30,399
Speaker 2: shared a room with James Devlin his whole entire career

445
00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:33,879
Speaker 2: with New England. He was one of the most unselfish

446
00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:36,760
Speaker 2: players I've ever bet he shared a room with him.

447
00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:40,400
Speaker 2: I mean I was in the tight end room full back,

448
00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:44,119
Speaker 2: but he was in the No, no, we never lived together,

449
00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:46,520
Speaker 2: but he was. We were in the same meeting room

450
00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:49,840
Speaker 2: from morning tonight. In every single meeting room. It would

451
00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:51,439
Speaker 2: start off with the tight ends and we would go

452
00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:53,520
Speaker 2: in the offensive room to be with you know, the

453
00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:56,040
Speaker 2: wide receivers, with the skilled players, and then we would

454
00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:58,600
Speaker 2: be together in the team room. It was James Devilin

455
00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:01,520
Speaker 2: and I in every single room his whole entire career,

456
00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:05,000
Speaker 2: and he was the most unselfish player out there, one

457
00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:07,760
Speaker 2: of the smartest players as well. I don't think he's

458
00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:11,640
Speaker 2: rarely ever made a mistake in his career. He's never

459
00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:14,199
Speaker 2: went to the wrong guy. And for example, if I

460
00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:15,760
Speaker 2: went to the wrong guy, if I went up to

461
00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:18,720
Speaker 2: the second level and I took the wrong linebacker. He

462
00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:21,840
Speaker 2: would make me right and make me look good, and

463
00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:25,399
Speaker 2: I always appreciated that in the room as well. He

464
00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:30,119
Speaker 2: never caused any controversy ever, zero at all. One of

465
00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:33,840
Speaker 2: the best teammates you can possibly have, and he also

466
00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:37,320
Speaker 2: made me a better player as well. When you were

467
00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:39,720
Speaker 2: talking about it, Yeah, I blocked, but then I also

468
00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:41,520
Speaker 2: I got the credit for going out and making a

469
00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:44,159
Speaker 2: big play. But where did I make all my money.

470
00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:46,320
Speaker 2: I made all my money in the play action game,

471
00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:48,679
Speaker 2: and that's when I got the most open because all

472
00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:51,439
Speaker 2: the linebackers would step up and then Tom would just

473
00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:53,480
Speaker 2: dip it to me and then I would just make

474
00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:55,960
Speaker 2: a couple guys miss and get twenty five yards bam

475
00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:58,920
Speaker 2: right off the bat like that. Why was I so open? Yes,

476
00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:00,960
Speaker 2: I was blocking you guys, as we're doing your job

477
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:03,159
Speaker 2: as well. But when you have a full back in

478
00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:05,879
Speaker 2: the game as well, that you gotta you know, you

479
00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:08,200
Speaker 2: gotta respect that. You know he's going to bring the

480
00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:10,359
Speaker 2: heat every single time he's in there, and he's gonna

481
00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:14,159
Speaker 2: run full speed downhill and give it his all and

482
00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:16,719
Speaker 2: lay his body on the line every time. You respect that,

483
00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:19,879
Speaker 2: So every time they would say, oh, James Devlin's in,

484
00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:22,400
Speaker 2: it's going to be a run. You know, Yeah, why

485
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:24,160
Speaker 2: went they run the ball? One of the best fullbacks

486
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:26,000
Speaker 2: in the league, and boom. We would play action off

487
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:29,000
Speaker 2: of that. But he would still go full speed downhill

488
00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:31,280
Speaker 2: and it would get me open because the linebackers were

489
00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:34,240
Speaker 2: nervous that he was in. So without James Devlin and

490
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:38,000
Speaker 2: you know it like it boosting my stats in the

491
00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:40,360
Speaker 2: past game because of him and how hard he went

492
00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:42,040
Speaker 2: and how good he was at the full thing.

493
00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:44,639
Speaker 3: You know, as a lineman, we ran a lot of

494
00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:48,040
Speaker 3: inside lead plays with James right like him monoy mono

495
00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:51,240
Speaker 3: with the linebacker and I used to always love and

496
00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:53,600
Speaker 3: it's not like you could. It's hard to explain. You

497
00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:56,000
Speaker 3: guys will know what I mean. But like when you

498
00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:58,600
Speaker 3: can fill people around you, Yeah, so we run. It'd

499
00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:00,520
Speaker 3: be a gap day you got brought so a lot

500
00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:02,960
Speaker 3: of times I'm at the pony of attack. You would

501
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:06,639
Speaker 3: feel like a good block and then you can feel

502
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:09,560
Speaker 3: James going by you and you knew the play the wind. Yeah,

503
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:11,520
Speaker 3: you knew the play was gonna be a good play.

504
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:13,680
Speaker 3: You just lost him because you knew he was gonna

505
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:15,639
Speaker 3: go stick that linebacker and it was gonna be a

506
00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:16,080
Speaker 3: good play.

507
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:16,760
Speaker 1: Uh.

508
00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:20,080
Speaker 3: And then honestly, I felt invincible on the goal line

509
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:23,000
Speaker 3: with James dew Like if we did our job, there

510
00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:24,639
Speaker 3: was no worry about what was going to happen with

511
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:27,960
Speaker 3: James Devilin and the linebacker. Which you know that and

512
00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:31,399
Speaker 3: that to me, it's a missing part of the game

513
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:34,000
Speaker 3: in the NFL right now. And I do think you're

514
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:37,440
Speaker 3: seeing it come back a little bit, like they're may

515
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:39,400
Speaker 3: be more tight in ish, but like I think San

516
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:41,560
Speaker 3: Diego last year had like two dudes that were like

517
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:44,320
Speaker 3: three fifty Timore seeing Baltimore do it a little bit

518
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:48,880
Speaker 3: like it's coming back that these fullbacks and they're they're

519
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:52,240
Speaker 3: valuable in the run game because it creates mismatches and

520
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:55,399
Speaker 3: I don't know, just you see a guy in a

521
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:58,080
Speaker 3: three point stance in the backfield ready to go, it's

522
00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:00,960
Speaker 3: just like it's go time now. And offensive lineman, I

523
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:03,760
Speaker 3: didn't mind sub runs, but if we were going to

524
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:06,440
Speaker 3: run the ball, I wanted to have a fullback because

525
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:11,000
Speaker 3: it creates especially as an offensive lineman, when you can

526
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:14,080
Speaker 3: put off our defense and base defense, there's not much

527
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:16,359
Speaker 3: they can do and there's not much they can do

528
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:19,520
Speaker 3: coverage wise, there's not much they can do to skies wise.

529
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 3: So I think it helped out you guys too, one

530
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:24,880
Speaker 3: thousand percent, you know what I mean, Like you can't

531
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 3: run all these substituted fronts with a fullback.

532
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:29,840
Speaker 1: In the year, there's countless times where because we had

533
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:35,199
Speaker 1: such smart football players James Devlin, where we would be

534
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:39,360
Speaker 1: in a two tight, three tight personnel put him out

535
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:42,200
Speaker 1: wide and it creates such crazy matchups for the two

536
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:45,240
Speaker 1: receivers on the fields. So, I mean, he was just

537
00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 1: a smart football player that everyone loved. He was never heard,

538
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,800
Speaker 1: he was always seen. And I remember when we got

539
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:55,119
Speaker 1: when he moved on and he retired. I told Yack,

540
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,960
Speaker 1: I said, hey, bro go sit down and watch fucking

541
00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:01,680
Speaker 1: Dame James Devil, and I want you to watch every

542
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:05,240
Speaker 1: every hit this guy does. He looks like he's concussioning

543
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:08,800
Speaker 1: himself every time he hits. And that's how it has

544
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:11,200
Speaker 1: to look if you want to be a fucking fullback

545
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:15,159
Speaker 1: in this league. I'm sorry, you can't have brain cells.

546
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 1: You need to set the tempo for the fucking offense.

547
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,879
Speaker 1: Because when James Devlin got on that field, people knew

548
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:22,399
Speaker 1: what he was serious. Time.

549
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,200
Speaker 2: Anyone can kind of go in and run full speed

550
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,399
Speaker 2: out of defender one time and then you walk away like,

551
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 2: oh shit, I ain't ever doing that again. He was

552
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:34,360
Speaker 2: consistent on a daily basis. He never backed down, no

553
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:39,879
Speaker 2: matter what, even I feel every time he was running

554
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 2: full speed downhill and absolutely smacking whatever linebacker it was,

555
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 2: he never backed down. And that's what made him such

556
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 2: a great football player at that position, is never ever

557
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 2: ever backing.

558
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:53,040
Speaker 3: You know what used to piss me off? So we

559
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 3: used to do half line, right, half line.

560
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 1: Was a war.

561
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 3: They never put a fullback in a half and I

562
00:26:58,080 --> 00:26:59,959
Speaker 3: would just be like, half line, please let him get

563
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,399
Speaker 3: one rep and watch what happens right now when we

564
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:05,119
Speaker 3: don't have to worry about this linebacker. Watch what happens

565
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 3: when James Devlin walks in there.

566
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:08,439
Speaker 1: All right, we got to wrap this in determine what

567
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 1: kind of dude James Devlin is. But before that last question,

568
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 1: what kind of car is James Devlin?

569
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 2: What kind of car? You know?

570
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 3: I'm not going to say he's like an old farm truck,

571
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 3: because I think he's a better.

572
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:21,679
Speaker 2: Athlete than that.

573
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:29,880
Speaker 3: But he's like a He's like a nice Ford F one.

574
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:31,919
Speaker 3: I'm a Ford guy. So I'm gonna do this like

575
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 3: a four year old F one fifty, eighty thousand miles

576
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:39,919
Speaker 3: on it, still in good shape, like always dependable, but

577
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:43,240
Speaker 3: like not like flashy, like not a truck. You're like

578
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:46,400
Speaker 3: worried about taking in the mud. You know, can get dirty,

579
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:48,440
Speaker 3: but you can also take your girl out on a date.

580
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 3: Clean it up with It's got a little bit of

581
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 3: style to it. But like also you're not worried about

582
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 3: if you go out in the woods with it, I

583
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 3: might get dirty.

584
00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,120
Speaker 2: I'll alter it a little bit. You're just saying he's

585
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,919
Speaker 2: an F one fifty. I think he might be like

586
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 2: an F three fifty.

587
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:05,359
Speaker 1: That's a lineman. Though he's probably like an F two

588
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 1: fifty two fifty.

589
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:07,199
Speaker 2: We'll get it.

590
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 3: He went two hundred and fifty pass all right, that's

591
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:12,400
Speaker 3: too yeah, but still like.

592
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can not extended cab. He's not that big.

593
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:17,639
Speaker 3: No, you can hook a trailer to it. But my

594
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 3: favorite James Devlin story, and this is not football related,

595
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 3: but this is just who he was. He was running

596
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 3: the marathon like after he retired, and so we're talking

597
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 3: he was a huge dude, y'all know how he squatted

598
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:32,680
Speaker 3: and lightlifted. We were like, James, you training and he's

599
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 3: like yeah, We're like what are you doing? You know, like,

600
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 3: because all these people have all these crazy training you know, right,

601
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 3: it's like you run five, eight, twelve whatever it is.

602
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 3: The day before you run like nineteen miles. So we're like,

603
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 3: you trained. He's like, yeah, like you know, I'm I'm

604
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 3: going to I'm I'm training a little bit, but I'm

605
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 3: just still lifting. The dude we found out didn't train

606
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 3: at all for the marathon, didn't run at all, and

607
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 3: just went out there and crushed the marathon. And that's

608
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 3: James definitely, just like I can do it, mind over, matter,

609
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 3: doesn't matter. I'm gonna get the job done.

610
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 1: All right, all right. I like that, And so that

611
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 1: that segues perfect to what kind of dude is James

612
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 1: Devlin now, David. We have five different categories. We have

613
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 1: a stud, someone who's had the pedigree, who was always

614
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 1: the guy he's well rounded. When you see him, he

615
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 1: looks like, damn, that guy's a fucking stud. You got

616
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 1: a freak where you look at those kind of humans,

617
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 1: You're like, they're not humans. They are just like, what

618
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 1: the hell is that that looks like an animal, a dog,

619
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 1: someone who's relentless mentally physically tough, probably had to go

620
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 1: the long road. A whiz, someone who's you know, innovative,

621
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 1: he's clutch, he may have revolutionized something in his type

622
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 1: of the game. Or the Dude's dude, which is the

623
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 1: guy who's a glue guy in the locker room. Everyone

624
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 1: loves him in the locker room. Now, James Devlin is

625
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 1: probably multiple of these.

626
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I say, I think he's what's most fitting for

627
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 3: the James three. There's three that I would be between

628
00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 3: the stud, the dog, and the dude, because I thought

629
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 3: he was a great locker room guy, like he just

630
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 3: he was always there, dependable, he was all. He never

631
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 3: got too high, too low, you know. So he's calm, cool, collective,

632
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 3: positive attitude. Like I think when you went and worked

633
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 3: out in the weight room with James, you wanted to

634
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 3: go harder, right, you wanted to train harder, you know.

635
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 3: But I think you gotta go the position he played,

636
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 3: how he played the position, his way his career path went.

637
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 2: You gotta say dog.

638
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 1: He's definitely he's stud. The stud is the guy who's

639
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 1: drafted in the first round. The stud is the guy

640
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 1: who was the five star.

641
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 3: And I know, I don't think he innovated the game.

642
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 3: What I think he did is honored the game and

643
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 3: played the game the right way by like the people

644
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 3: that came before him. So like he wasn't innovative in

645
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 3: that sense, but he honored those guys because the fullback

646
00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 3: had been around for a hundred years, right whatever, But

647
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 3: like he honored those guys the way he played the game.

648
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 3: He was an old school nineteen eighty seventy fullback. But

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Speaker 3: you know, innovation wise, no, but you know that he

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Speaker 3: was a D lineman. Yeah, he went to Brown. He

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Speaker 3: innovated to be a football player. No, he's a fucking

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Speaker 3: dog on three one two three dog