1 00:00:04,440 --> 00:00:08,039 Speaker 1: A shopping event turns into a train wreck in Jersey. 2 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:11,119 Speaker 1: When Teresa invites the ladies to a shopping event, Margaret 3 00:00:11,119 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 1: and Danielle's feud reached new heights. This is Real Housewives 4 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:19,480 Speaker 1: of New Jersey Season ten, episode eight, Hair Today, Gone Tomorrow. 5 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 1: Elisa Donovan joins me to recap this episode. Let's get 6 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 1: into it. Nice to see you again, you. 7 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:34,600 Speaker 2: Too, Well, I'm so happy to be here. You've had 8 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 2: like a busy few weeks. 9 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 3: It's been very good. 10 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:40,480 Speaker 1: Yes, it's been very uh chaotic, And I've been more 11 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:44,520 Speaker 1: forward facing, like going out to more things and doing 12 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:46,600 Speaker 1: more things and being like pretending I'm like a person 13 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:47,840 Speaker 1: who puts on clothes and makeup. 14 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 3: So it's sort of fun. 15 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 1: It's like playing dress up Month a little bit, you know, 16 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:53,520 Speaker 1: like going to that dinner. 17 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 3: It's like I act like. 18 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 1: I'm someone who gets dressed up in floral dresses and 19 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 1: does that. 20 00:00:57,480 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 3: So where are you now up in San Francisco? 21 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 2: Yeah? 22 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:04,560 Speaker 1: Okay, great, So you had never seen the Housewives? 23 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:10,040 Speaker 2: I know so particular episode, Oh my goodness. 24 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:14,119 Speaker 1: Well, this particular episode is maybe sadly indicative of many 25 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:19,400 Speaker 1: episodes throughout the franchise. And sometimes I talk to different 26 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 1: women from Bravo who are all going through something and 27 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 1: they're having a difficult time. One woman is being evicted, 28 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:29,479 Speaker 1: another woman has medical and emotional issues, and so they 29 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 1: are going through a hard time, and they will talk 30 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:35,680 Speaker 1: a lot about press and things going on. And I say, 31 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:39,320 Speaker 1: what my publicist says to me, this is one little 32 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 1: small world. Like if everyone's if some people are talking 33 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 1: about Bravo Con, it's eight thousand people, like, that's a 34 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 1: very small world. But the people in that world, not 35 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 1: unlike Bachelor Nation or ninety Day Fiance Nation or Love 36 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 1: Island Nation or any of these shows, they think that 37 00:01:57,200 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 1: that's what's going on. 38 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 3: Everywhere and that everybody knows. 39 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 1: And you and I were together at that dinner in 40 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 1: La and remember Larsa was talking about the woman in 41 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 1: there just dispute, and I said, I kind of interjected 42 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 1: to be like, Jenny, Gareth and you know, Elisa don't 43 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 1: know what's going on. 44 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 2: Jenny and I were like, wait, what what? 45 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 3: What? Right? 46 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:22,800 Speaker 1: And I think that people in the Bravo sphere think 47 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:23,919 Speaker 1: that everybody else. 48 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 2: I know, that's sort of normal for whatever you're doing 49 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 2: in particularly maybe in any field, but certainly in entertainment. 50 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 2: Because it's so everybody is so interested in every part 51 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 2: of what you're doing, so it feels like it's all encompassing. 52 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 2: So I get it that they would certainly think that 53 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 2: everybody knows, but I honestly have escaped it. I think 54 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 2: because I always felt like these shows are hitting women 55 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:56,919 Speaker 2: against each other and I never wanted to watch that. 56 00:02:56,919 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 2: That's not what my female friendships are, like, it's not 57 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:02,520 Speaker 2: what my life is about. And so I always felt 58 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:06,520 Speaker 2: like I felt frustrated that that's how women get to 59 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 2: be on TV, you know, and that's how women get 60 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 2: to have attention. And so when so I really didn't know, 61 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 2: and then I knew of you because I went, oh, 62 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 2: this this woman has she's an entrepreneur, she has all 63 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:21,960 Speaker 2: these businesses and she and people seem to have like 64 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:25,119 Speaker 2: strong feelings about her, you know, one way or the other. 65 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:28,840 Speaker 2: And then but I knew about you because you you know, 66 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 2: I would see it. But I honestly, at first I 67 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 2: didn't know that that's where you started your sort of 68 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 2: public career. I really don't. 69 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 3: That's a dream. 70 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 1: That's the best thing I ever heard of. It's like 71 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 1: people that don't know Demi Moore came from General Hospital. 72 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yes, so I felt like, oh, this is amazing. 73 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 2: She's super smart, she's very funny, very savvy, like I'm 74 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 2: on board with all of this, and then you know, 75 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 2: I so. I It's made me have an appreciation for 76 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 2: the people that are able to turn it into something 77 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 2: that is really powerful and meaningful. You know, And I 78 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 2: don't know that that's the Uh. It certainly doesn't seem 79 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 2: like that's the norm. Am I You are the exception or. 80 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:16,160 Speaker 1: I'm the exception, that's the rule. Which is why it's 81 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:21,360 Speaker 1: challenging that I'm challenging this system reality television overall because 82 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 1: I'm the one that got out, so I'm while I'm 83 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:26,920 Speaker 1: the only one who could actually challenge the system because 84 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 1: I'm not disgruntled. I did well. It's challenging for me 85 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:33,719 Speaker 1: to challenge the system because I'm the one example of 86 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:36,720 Speaker 1: why someone would do it. The game starts to move 87 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 1: fast where you don't even know what train you're on. 88 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:43,240 Speaker 1: And to your point about you not watching it because 89 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 1: of pitting women against each other, I think many of 90 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 1: the women who watch now started watching when I started 91 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 1: starring on it, so they've been digesting It's like taking 92 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 1: small doses of medicine that you get a bigger tolerance 93 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 1: for it. They've been digesting this content for so many 94 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:03,720 Speaker 1: years until now, so they don't know. So this is 95 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:08,040 Speaker 1: an interesting episode for you to watch. So this episode 96 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 1: is Real Housewives of New Jersey. Hair Today, gone tomorrow. 97 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:16,600 Speaker 3: Okay, so. 98 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:20,880 Speaker 1: This there's a we're going to get into this. This 99 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 1: is Real Housewives of New Jersey and this is twenty twenty, 100 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 1: so this is funny. A lot can change three three 101 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:30,160 Speaker 1: years ago and Teresa's father was still alive for those 102 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:33,160 Speaker 1: of you that you know need to be caught up, 103 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:37,039 Speaker 1: and Teresa's husband, Joe gu Dice or gud j was 104 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 1: dealing with this situation with the law where he hadn't 105 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:43,919 Speaker 1: yet gone to jail and he wanted to leave the 106 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:45,720 Speaker 1: country but then he'd never be able to come back 107 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:47,160 Speaker 1: if he didn't go through the system. 108 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:50,840 Speaker 2: So there wasn't in jail in this episode. Because I 109 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 2: was like, as I said, I didn't know, and I 110 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:55,280 Speaker 2: felt like, well, I've been thrown to the wolves. There's 111 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 2: a lot going on right now and this show that I. 112 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 1: Don't know if he had gone to yet actually because 113 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:02,679 Speaker 1: it was three years ago, so he must have gone 114 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:05,840 Speaker 1: or was going but whatever the situation was. 115 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:09,039 Speaker 2: He was like calling his daughter from one of those 116 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 2: where it says, this is a collect call from Oh. 117 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 1: So he was in jail and he had to go 118 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:19,480 Speaker 1: through this or he wouldn't be able to come back 119 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:21,160 Speaker 1: to the country again to see his daughters. And I 120 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 1: think he lives in Italy now anyway, but that would 121 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:26,479 Speaker 1: be very trapping to think that, like you could never 122 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 1: come back to the United States. So if he didn't 123 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:42,599 Speaker 1: go through the whole process. Okay, So the first scene 124 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:46,800 Speaker 1: is Melissa, her husband Joe. That's a different Joe. That's 125 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 1: Joe Gorga and Melissa Gorga and their two kids go 126 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 1: to the ice cream shop. So Melissa is Teresa's sister 127 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 1: in law. Joe, the guy in the ice cream store 128 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:04,159 Speaker 1: is is Teresa's brother and they're estranged and they go 129 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:04,720 Speaker 1: back and forth. 130 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:06,280 Speaker 3: Right now, they're very strange. 131 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 1: So Teresa was on the show first and then later 132 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 1: to her surprise, Melissa came on, which was also jarring, 133 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 1: and she's married to Joe. I like Melissa. I think 134 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 1: she rides the line and plays the game. 135 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 3: Well. 136 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 1: One time, someone from this machine said that Melissa was 137 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 1: channeling me at one of her reunions like she's channeling me, 138 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 1: But I didn't see that. 139 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 3: And I like her. 140 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 1: I think she keeps her wits about her as a character. 141 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 1: I think she plays the game. And this was a 142 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 1: scene that is very much a good example of producers saying, Okay, 143 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 1: we need to get you to have the conversation about 144 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 1: having another kid, so get your family together. And we 145 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 1: cleared this ice cream store. And I say that because 146 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:57,559 Speaker 1: when people are asking if it's real, it's not only 147 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 1: the trashy, crazy scenes that aren't, but the simple scenes 148 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 1: can be a little awkward when you sit down, you 149 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 1: get your ice cream. So we were thinking, what would 150 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 1: you think if we had another kid? Right, So that's 151 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 1: that scene and that conversation. 152 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 2: It did so she did strike me as the most 153 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 2: I mean, authentic is a weird word to use in 154 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 2: this scenario, but she felt like what she how she 155 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:28,360 Speaker 2: was behaving is not far from how she is in life. 156 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 2: I would guess, and I don't know if I would 157 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:34,960 Speaker 2: grin or not, but she seemed very kind of yeah, 158 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:36,840 Speaker 2: as you said, like I know what the task at 159 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 2: hand is here, and I don't need to inflame it 160 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 2: or I don't need to. I don't know, there was 161 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:43,959 Speaker 2: something that I felt the most, like, Okay, I can 162 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:47,200 Speaker 2: identify with this person, which I probably, you know, don't 163 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 2: really have that much in common with. But I felt 164 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 2: like I could identify with her, and it felt like 165 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 2: her relationship with her kids was, you know, very genuine 166 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 2: and funny and just also the dynamic of she and 167 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:03,840 Speaker 2: her husband and the husband being like, wait, what are 168 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 2: you doing? Like everything you're saying is not what we 169 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 2: agreed to, and I feel like that's a very common, 170 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 2: you know, marital relationship, Like I certainly right with my husband. 171 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:18,439 Speaker 1: Yeah. I liked albeit produced which I liked the conversation. 172 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 3: I like him. 173 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 1: I've always had a soft spot for him. He's a 174 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:24,960 Speaker 1: ham and loves the fame and TV. But their team 175 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:26,960 Speaker 1: in it, which I like, they've managed to maintain a 176 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 1: relationship through this experience. And I like her too. And 177 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 1: I liked the kids. I liked I liked the scene. 178 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 1: And then, you know, everybody plays their own role. She's 179 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 1: sort of like the Kyle Richards of this show. I think, 180 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:44,160 Speaker 1: with the family and doesn't get that dirty plays the 181 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 1: game well. I think Kyle is very much the that 182 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 1: of Beverly Hills. Kyle Richards So then we get into Danielle, who, 183 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:56,200 Speaker 1: just so you know, she has two daughters, two really 184 00:09:56,520 --> 00:09:59,960 Speaker 1: lovely daughters. Danielle has come on and off the ship, 185 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:04,199 Speaker 1: and she was the subject of the prostitution horror table. 186 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 2: Flip's Okay, wait a second, so she is not the 187 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:09,479 Speaker 2: she's the blonde one. 188 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:13,080 Speaker 1: Right, Danielle is with the guy on the couch that 189 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 1: she's living with. Oh, but not in a relationship with the 190 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:19,440 Speaker 1: other one. Yes, she's the other one, right. And so 191 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 1: this guy, Marty, he seems nice, he seems oddly very 192 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 1: similar to the blonde Margaret's husband. I guess they're friends, 193 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 1: and that's where this is converging. And I think there's 194 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 1: a rub here because Danielle may have said that he 195 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 1: physically abused her and her daughter, and now they're together, 196 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 1: and we never really get a response from Danielle on 197 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 1: that later, like that's a big topic to be hanging 198 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:45,080 Speaker 1: to not know, yes, what's going on. 199 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 2: I was very much by that, because they kept referencing 200 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 2: that that she had said these terrible, made terrible accusations 201 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 2: against him, but yet they were still living together, which 202 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:58,679 Speaker 2: I feel like, who know you, No one does that 203 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 2: unless maybe are that in that abusive of a situation 204 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:05,560 Speaker 2: that you literally don't know how to get out. 205 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 3: But then. 206 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 2: Why would the producers allow something like that to happen. 207 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:12,319 Speaker 2: So I was a little bit confused by that. 208 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 1: Well, that's I didn't even think of that. That's a 209 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 1: good question why the producers would include someone who had 210 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:20,200 Speaker 1: allegedly abused someone or that discussion. That's a pretty dirty 211 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:23,319 Speaker 1: topic that needs to be resolved. That shouldn't be here. 212 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 1: Also that maybe in some cases women have financial issues 213 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:30,679 Speaker 1: and want to be part of the show, and that's 214 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:32,680 Speaker 1: a good storyline because he has a connection to the 215 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:35,079 Speaker 1: other woman. I mean, there's a lot of stuff that 216 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 1: is very desperate that comes into this show. Some of 217 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:43,199 Speaker 1: these women, this show and this experience and their own 218 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 1: actions have chewed them up and spit them out, and 219 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 1: this is the only place that can take them. 220 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 3: So there's like they. 221 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 1: Don't mind being the character that, you know, by any 222 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 1: means necessary. So Danielle was the subject of the prostitution 223 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 1: whoor thing. It was a exhibit at Bravo cont to 224 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 1: this day, which I find shocking that like someone could 225 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:07,440 Speaker 1: say call you a prostitution horr in a scene, but 226 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 1: that Bravo's capitalizing on it and continuing. 227 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:14,319 Speaker 2: What there's like a booth, Where's she's a prostitution? I 228 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 2: wait what? 229 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 3: Okay? 230 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:19,559 Speaker 1: So years ago on Jersey and again I and frankly 231 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 1: the viewers have made me see this whole medium differently, 232 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 1: So I'm trying to keep it current and yeah, just 233 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 1: be true to what I honestly think now because I'm 234 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 1: seeing these shows differently, having met a lot of these 235 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:35,080 Speaker 1: women personally from other cities and seeing them very differently 236 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 1: and hearing them sound totally sane and like not like 237 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 1: the show, which is a heightened experience with stress and 238 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:45,440 Speaker 1: alcohol and crazy hours and storylines. And now I'm seeing 239 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 1: things differently. So in the beginning of Jersey, I think 240 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 1: it was their first season, Teresa flipped a table and 241 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:55,079 Speaker 1: had found out that Danielle had a book out that 242 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 1: another ex of hers. But there was a book called 243 00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:00,960 Speaker 1: Cop Without a Badge and a guy wrote it about Danielle. 244 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 3: And the girl. 245 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:04,960 Speaker 1: Teresa brought it into the scene to say, you're a 246 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:10,320 Speaker 1: prostitution whore. You were engaged nine times or twelve times 247 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:13,720 Speaker 1: or something, and they sort of didn't want her to 248 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 1: be in the friend group, and so Teresa flipped the 249 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 1: table called her a prostitution whore. So later it was 250 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:23,320 Speaker 1: a game on Andy's show Watcher Rappens Live. It was 251 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 1: like a rap song prostitution whore, and now it's still 252 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 1: a booth at Bravo con So I questioned those types 253 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:32,600 Speaker 1: of things because of what you're saying to make women 254 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 1: look bad and trash them. And the woman has daughters 255 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:36,440 Speaker 1: that were very young at the time. 256 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 2: Yes, so yeah, so you coming into concerning But at 257 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:43,880 Speaker 2: the same time I see the other side. You know, 258 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 2: this gets back to my feeling that the you know, 259 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 2: the entire system is set up for maybe one woman 260 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:55,080 Speaker 2: to succeed and women to just have to constantly be 261 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:59,080 Speaker 2: trying to get the attention, the job, the money, Like 262 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 2: there just isn't enough, right, and it's created by men. 263 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 2: They create this whole scenario to present this sort of 264 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:14,320 Speaker 2: caddy nature, which I do understand someone being able to use, 265 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:17,960 Speaker 2: or having to even that matter, use these shows to 266 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 2: support their families, to make money, to try to get 267 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:24,560 Speaker 2: a career, Like I really get that and I respect that. 268 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 2: But then there's this point of the exploitation piece where 269 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 2: the women lose, like it spirals out and they lose 270 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:37,560 Speaker 2: control over their own entity like they can't, and then 271 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 2: like how do you un ravel that? And it's that 272 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 2: weird line of well, we're just being a character for 273 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:46,800 Speaker 2: this show, but then your daughter's watching going, oh, is 274 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 2: that what I am supposed to do? Then are those 275 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 2: my options? You know, it's a very strange, like this 276 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 2: is the thing with these sorts of reality shows, where 277 00:14:56,600 --> 00:15:01,360 Speaker 2: it does you go, how where's the line? You know? 278 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 2: And I would think that that's a producer's job is 279 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 2: to find that line, but not exploit. 280 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 1: It across it And right, well, that's why I'm saying 281 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:12,800 Speaker 1: it should be. I believe it should be exploration, not exploitation. 282 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 1: And there is a line, but the exploitation is so 283 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 1: easy to do. It's a low hanging fruit. So I say, 284 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 1: that's exactly where I've come to be. And you, as 285 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 1: someone who's not been part of it, you're seeing it differently. 286 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 1: So yeah, each person plays a part. The kids don't 287 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 1: get paid, and you can sometimes see in scenes the 288 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 1: kids resenting their parents and kids don't getting in little 289 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 1: jabs the kids don't The kids don't get the kids 290 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 1: don't get paid, and some of them to this day 291 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:39,640 Speaker 1: still have like trauma from things that have been said 292 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 1: about them as kids years ago? 293 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 2: How is that? So? This is this is like the 294 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 2: unionizing thing also right, or you should. 295 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 1: This is what This is what I'm talking about and 296 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:51,240 Speaker 1: why I'm right and why some people want to get 297 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 1: in the weeds and die hard fans don't want me 298 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 1: to ruin and take away their junk food. But this 299 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 1: is why I'm I'm right. Like parents get to say 300 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 1: because they want the fame, or they're desperate, or they 301 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 1: used to be married to a rich man, or they 302 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 1: used to have a career. They're in their forties fifties, 303 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 1: this is going to give them some opportunity they would 304 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 1: have never had. They're dragging their kids in because the 305 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 1: producers will not cast them unless the whole family is 306 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 1: part of it. But the whole family hasn't really signed 307 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 1: contracts about this, except the parents are signing on the kids. 308 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 3: Yeah. 309 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 2: I mean that is so different from scripted television, Like 310 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 2: you can't eat it if I want to put I 311 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 2: have a film and development that I wrote that I'm directing, 312 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 2: and there's a one scene I want my daughter to 313 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 2: be in. It's literally like she's an extra but walking 314 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 2: down this hallway and it's a pivotal thing. But she 315 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 2: doesn't have to say anything. My producer is like, well, 316 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 2: that's only we're going to shoot it in the summer 317 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 2: because we have to pay her. You can't take her 318 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 2: out of school. If you take her out of school, 319 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 2: you have to get a teacher on set. That costs 320 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 2: more money. This is a small film. It just goes on, no, no, no, 321 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 2: and no on for her to be in one scene 322 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 2: walking down a hallway and not saying anything. 323 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 1: Not only that, but you could say, you could say, 324 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 1: as the mother, my daughter has an eating disorder and 325 00:16:57,640 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 1: I'm worried about her and for the rest of her life. 326 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:04,080 Speaker 1: The audience always remembers that your daughter has an eating 327 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 1: disorder and she's going to be twenty two and feeling embarrassed, 328 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:08,240 Speaker 1: or that your daughter poofed her pants when she was 329 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:10,399 Speaker 1: a baby, or your daughter went to fat camp, and 330 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:12,879 Speaker 1: it lives on im And I'm right. So that is 331 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:15,720 Speaker 1: what the thing is. And it's not only about Bravo. 332 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 1: It's about reality TV because it's a group of desperate people. 333 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:21,480 Speaker 1: So desperate people do desperate things and their kids are victims. 334 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:22,280 Speaker 3: Yeah. 335 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:25,680 Speaker 1: So, and I never have my daughter on reality TV 336 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 1: except for a tiny baby, but she you know, she 337 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 1: couldn't say anything and do anything, and I made that choice. 338 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:34,120 Speaker 1: So okay, So Margaret seems like she has a real 339 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 1: bullseye on Danielle. And to your point of saying, one 340 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:42,480 Speaker 1: person plays a certain role, or you said something recently 341 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:45,640 Speaker 1: about like women are trying to get to that prime 342 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:49,040 Speaker 1: spot of being in good light. You're always someone's always 343 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 1: winning and someone's always losing. So you either have a 344 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:53,480 Speaker 1: target on your back or you're targeting someone else. That's 345 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:56,840 Speaker 1: it's game of Thrones or hunger games. So Margaret's got 346 00:17:56,880 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 1: a target on Danielle's back. And this is kind of 347 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 1: just what this episode is about. Teresa befriends Danielle. Often 348 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 1: on these shows, you have to if you're in a 349 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 1: hot seat yourself, you got to grab onto somebody. It 350 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:12,480 Speaker 1: may not be somebody in your normal life you'd be 351 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:13,400 Speaker 1: friends with, right. 352 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:16,360 Speaker 2: I was curious about that because that scene where they're 353 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 2: on the couch and they're when they first she goes 354 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:22,520 Speaker 2: over to Margaret's house, I was like, wait a second, 355 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:25,199 Speaker 2: are they these people friends or are they not? I 356 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:29,239 Speaker 2: couldn't tell if it was uh, if this was a 357 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:32,399 Speaker 2: new thing, or I was I couldn't tell what was 358 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 2: going on. 359 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 1: It's alliances. In this experience, you have to a line 360 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:39,679 Speaker 1: because so many people will talk badly about you that 361 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 1: the audience will hear the majority and just go with 362 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:49,120 Speaker 1: that direction. And so you need allies. And so I'm sure, 363 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:51,240 Speaker 1: and it becomes real where you think someone's your friend 364 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:53,080 Speaker 1: because they're your current ally, and you like start to 365 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:54,719 Speaker 1: tell the people you're in a relationship, but no, I 366 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:56,480 Speaker 1: really think they're amazing now and I want to bring 367 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:58,439 Speaker 1: them on vacation or for me, it was like I 368 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:00,920 Speaker 1: want to have Romantic Romona come out on New Year's even, 369 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:04,600 Speaker 1: like you really believe everything because it's like this manufactured 370 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:07,399 Speaker 1: world where you have to you know, you're trapped in 371 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 1: a space shuttle with a bunch of people you don't 372 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:10,880 Speaker 1: know these are your best friends. Now you got to survive, 373 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:27,360 Speaker 1: so you know it's it's survivor. So Teresa has four girls, 374 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:33,199 Speaker 1: and Teresa is an original housewife, and I like her kids. 375 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:35,679 Speaker 1: Her kids have been through the whole machine like almost 376 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:39,720 Speaker 1: like reality almost like housewife Kardashians, like they've been kind 377 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:43,680 Speaker 1: of almost born into this. Their dad is in jail, 378 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:46,879 Speaker 1: their mom went to jail, they're going to try the 379 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:50,359 Speaker 1: prom dresses, like they really have just signed on for 380 00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:53,399 Speaker 1: a lifetime of Housewives Spain the kids too. In this 381 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:58,200 Speaker 1: particular scenario, Teresa's entire house has been raised on reality television. 382 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 2: She also was in jail, like trying to get got up. 383 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:04,640 Speaker 3: Teresa was in jail too because her husband. 384 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:07,960 Speaker 1: Got in trouble for tax evasion, but she was on 385 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:10,080 Speaker 1: many of the documents, so she had to do a year. 386 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:13,480 Speaker 1: She did a year, left, the kids came home, then he. 387 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:18,040 Speaker 3: Did a year. Ah okay, okay, Like that's really hard. 388 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 2: Oh for sure. I mean, I mean those kids are 389 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 2: nothing of not resilient. 390 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:27,120 Speaker 3: I hope they I. 391 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 2: Mean, it's just it's just it was that seems really 392 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:35,359 Speaker 2: interesting to me in terms of the regular things that 393 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 2: people go through. Oh, your child's still going to the prom, 394 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:42,440 Speaker 2: she still like choose a dress that works for her. 395 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:45,160 Speaker 2: And then at the same time, we have to talk 396 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:48,000 Speaker 2: to dad on the phone from prison, who then is 397 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:52,119 Speaker 2: trying to like it sounded like pit his daughter against 398 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:56,480 Speaker 2: his wife. And you know, I'm sure marriages are complicated, 399 00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:58,720 Speaker 2: so and I can only imagine what that would feel 400 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:04,679 Speaker 2: like being so just having that whole situation. But it 401 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 2: seemed like she I loved that. She just sort of 402 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:11,159 Speaker 2: took her. She was like, this is a problem with 403 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:13,040 Speaker 2: the two of you, and leave me out of it, 404 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 2: Like I don't eat the daughter. That was yes, Like 405 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:17,880 Speaker 2: I don't need to know the details. Like now this 406 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:20,480 Speaker 2: is too much. You too have your issue, but I 407 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 2: am your child. Still, this is not about. 408 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:27,359 Speaker 1: I agree, and I Also. The one thing I've always 409 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:30,879 Speaker 1: liked about Joe Gudce as it pertains to reality television, 410 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:35,720 Speaker 1: the maybe the only thing. He really doesn't give a fuck, 411 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 1: and he's really being who he actually is. He's one 412 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 1: of the few people that are not self produced. He 413 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:45,200 Speaker 1: will he's he's a he can't stand his wife. You 414 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:47,720 Speaker 1: can tell they've been in sort of what almost feels 415 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 1: like an arranged Italian marriage for years. He loves his daughters, 416 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:54,880 Speaker 1: and he just really doesn't give a shit. He'll say 417 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:57,119 Speaker 1: on camera what he really feels. 418 00:21:57,160 --> 00:21:57,560 Speaker 3: So I do. 419 00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:04,160 Speaker 1: I mean, I like him so well. Jen Aiden, she's newer. 420 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:06,399 Speaker 1: She's been in I mean not new or newer to me, 421 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:11,359 Speaker 1: newer in the franchise. She's the one whose mother doesn't 422 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:12,880 Speaker 1: accept that her brother is gay. 423 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:16,640 Speaker 2: Oh yes, yes, okay, So. 424 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 1: I thought that was an important topic. I thought it 425 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:22,160 Speaker 1: was great that she pushed that forward into the show 426 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:25,160 Speaker 1: and kind made a choice to make her mother look 427 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:28,480 Speaker 1: a bit uncomfortable for the sake of this audience, for 428 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 1: the sake of moving this conversation board and showing a 429 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 1: difference in the generation with her daughter. 430 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:41,360 Speaker 2: Yes, and I ironically that was the least. That was more, 431 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:46,160 Speaker 2: as you say, explore exploration as opposed to exploitations, because 432 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:49,400 Speaker 2: that didn't turn into some explosive thing where the mom 433 00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:52,640 Speaker 2: is slurring. You could just see her face as a mother, 434 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:55,679 Speaker 2: all of the feelings that she's having about it, and 435 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:58,719 Speaker 2: then perhaps realizing these are not okay, but it's how 436 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:00,440 Speaker 2: I feel and couldn't and she just. 437 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 3: Sort of good points. 438 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:05,879 Speaker 2: You're right, And I feel like that was really that 439 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:08,879 Speaker 2: was a great moment. And for the daughter, you know, 440 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:11,719 Speaker 2: the daughter, the granddaughter to be a part of that 441 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:14,480 Speaker 2: and sort of the touch point of all the generations. 442 00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:15,280 Speaker 2: I thought it was great. 443 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:18,399 Speaker 1: You're right, that's an exploration, but still as riveting and 444 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 1: the same thing for the daughter in the dressing room, 445 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 1: if I think about it, because that's exploration, that's a dynamic. 446 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:26,359 Speaker 1: It's parents that are divorced or fighting or cheating or something, 447 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:28,960 Speaker 1: leave me out of it. And we heard the child's voice, 448 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:32,000 Speaker 1: and I think those that's a good example because I'm 449 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:33,880 Speaker 1: people often think I want to take their candy away. 450 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:35,199 Speaker 1: It's just you want it to be done well and 451 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:37,879 Speaker 1: done creatively, right, exactly. 452 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:42,560 Speaker 2: It's totally possible because people are inherently interesting and relationships 453 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:46,119 Speaker 2: are interesting, and you know the sort of it doesn't 454 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:49,040 Speaker 2: always have to be heightened to be heightened like it 455 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 2: just is. Ye. 456 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:55,200 Speaker 1: So yeah, and now we get this guy, Marty who's 457 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:58,960 Speaker 1: on the show being accused of abuse. I wonder how 458 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:03,200 Speaker 1: that legally goes on. And I wonder why men who 459 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:05,960 Speaker 1: wouldn't be paid would participate in something that could possibly 460 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:08,880 Speaker 1: paint them in that light. I don't see an upside. 461 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:12,000 Speaker 1: We're not promoting his bait. He's not paid either. No, 462 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:15,879 Speaker 1: in many cases in New York, the kids and the 463 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,879 Speaker 1: husbands are never paid. Some of the family members have 464 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:21,160 Speaker 1: been paid on Jersey because it's more of a family show. 465 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:23,760 Speaker 1: But I'm positive that guy's not paid because he's just 466 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:27,320 Speaker 1: a he's not like a permanent fixture on the show. 467 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:43,640 Speaker 1: So now we get into where the line is crossed. 468 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:46,480 Speaker 1: So there's another show that was a big scandal called 469 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:50,240 Speaker 1: that had a scandal called scandalval where Rachel she was 470 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:54,080 Speaker 1: at the dinner you and I were at. She had 471 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 1: short hair. I don't think you were sitting here, okay, 472 00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 1: but Bob, yeah, like almost like your hair but a 473 00:24:58,600 --> 00:24:59,080 Speaker 1: little shorter. 474 00:24:59,680 --> 00:24:59,920 Speaker 2: Yeah. 475 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:04,680 Speaker 1: So she was on a show and in my opinion 476 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:07,800 Speaker 1: and a lot of people's opinions and a therapist's opinion, 477 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 1: she was emotionally abused at a reunion for cheating, for 478 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:13,160 Speaker 1: having an affair with someone who was in a relationship, 479 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:16,520 Speaker 1: and it felt like across the line. 480 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:17,760 Speaker 3: And there was. 481 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 1: A sexual tape of her that was distributed, and it's 482 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:28,879 Speaker 1: really been described as like inappropriate, if not illegal, like 483 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:33,679 Speaker 1: to distribute video of somebody throughout a cast. I mean, 484 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 1: you don't think of those things, but like some things 485 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:40,200 Speaker 1: are illegal, recording people within certain states or right. 486 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:43,159 Speaker 2: Who released it, who gave it to everyone? 487 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:47,119 Speaker 1: Her, the guy who recorded it, he recorded a FaceTime. 488 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:54,200 Speaker 1: So now we're in a situation and these feel like 489 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:56,880 Speaker 1: the years when the show started to get really toxic. 490 00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 1: I think, although it kind of always has, it's just evolved. 491 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 1: So Danielle, evidently it appears they're talking about a video 492 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:07,200 Speaker 1: a sex video of her, and they're flashing to all 493 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:12,560 Speaker 1: the different cast members and their husbands talking about Danielle's 494 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:16,679 Speaker 1: porn or a tape. So I don't know how this 495 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:18,199 Speaker 1: is all legal, and we're going to get into it. 496 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 1: But Danielle's ex who wrote a book about her, and 497 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:25,359 Speaker 1: it wouldn't have been successful at all if Brabo hadn't 498 00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:27,679 Speaker 1: brought it into the show and promotes it at Brabo 499 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:33,359 Speaker 1: Khan and gave this guy a booth. So there's a 500 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:37,720 Speaker 1: video that was distributed by Hustler that apparently wasn't approved 501 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:40,359 Speaker 1: by Danielle. So I don't understand the legality. That doesn't 502 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:43,120 Speaker 1: sound like it makes a lot of sense. But all 503 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:46,440 Speaker 1: the people on the cast here are talking about her 504 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:50,120 Speaker 1: vagina and saying that it looked like it had claws 505 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:53,720 Speaker 1: and teeth. So this is a good example. She's not 506 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:59,000 Speaker 1: aware that this conversation is going through this show, and 507 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:03,840 Speaker 1: now they're all at this shoe store talking about comparing 508 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:08,880 Speaker 1: her vagina to sushi, and like, that's where I that's 509 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:10,760 Speaker 1: where the line is completely cross. 510 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:16,919 Speaker 2: One hundred percent. I could not I went, this is 511 00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:23,399 Speaker 2: way beyond my comprehension now, and I felt like this 512 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,960 Speaker 2: is again one of those things where when you could 513 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:31,040 Speaker 2: get swept up in the situation and producers telling you 514 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:36,200 Speaker 2: to do things, or your emotions getting involved and day drinking, 515 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 2: which you know we've all been guilty of, and right 516 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:43,480 Speaker 2: all it's like the perfect storm. And the thing is 517 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:47,760 Speaker 2: is that then perhaps many of those things, both of 518 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 2: them or Danielle would want to take back right or 519 00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:53,320 Speaker 2: not make public, but you can't, and then that becomes 520 00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:57,639 Speaker 2: like the meat of the whole show, and it just 521 00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:02,359 Speaker 2: I felt I felt badly for all of them. I 522 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:05,760 Speaker 2: just felt like this is spiraling out of control and 523 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:09,159 Speaker 2: the people that are benefiting from it are not on 524 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:12,040 Speaker 2: the screen right now. That's how I felt. 525 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:16,240 Speaker 1: By the way, it's exactly I've been in these scenes 526 00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:18,440 Speaker 1: and it's escalating, and you're kind of aware that you're 527 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:23,120 Speaker 1: making good television, you're also so angry and frustrated, and 528 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:27,639 Speaker 1: everything gets accentuated the alcohol, the dehydration, literally your nervous system, 529 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:32,800 Speaker 1: you're literally activated. It's just a different feeling, and it's 530 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:37,240 Speaker 1: this weird hybrid purgatory between real and not real. And 531 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:43,080 Speaker 1: whoever produced that episode should be ashamed of themselves, because 532 00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:48,320 Speaker 1: there's a line between entertainment and exploitation, and this crossed it. 533 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:53,160 Speaker 1: For a show and for Bravo to distribute people talking 534 00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 1: about someone's vagina having teeth closet and teeth that woman 535 00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:59,280 Speaker 1: has daughters, there has to be a responsibility. There has 536 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 1: to be a responsible and I stand by what I've said. 537 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:06,080 Speaker 1: It's completely vile. Now, I may not know Dyanne Danielle. 538 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,120 Speaker 1: I may not like Danielle, I may not approve of 539 00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:11,400 Speaker 1: her choices. Andy Cohen was an executive producer of this show. 540 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,680 Speaker 1: It's something that really was disgusting and cross the line. 541 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,640 Speaker 1: And it's a network that's supposed to be a network 542 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:20,400 Speaker 1: whose entire audience is women. So that's where you have 543 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:23,640 Speaker 1: a responsibility. And it was a disgusting situation that you 544 00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,280 Speaker 1: could talk about that someone had a video. You could 545 00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:28,680 Speaker 1: talk about you don't agree with someone's relationship, you could 546 00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:31,440 Speaker 1: talk about not thinking so, but to like talk about 547 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:35,480 Speaker 1: that everybody on a show is comparing your vagina to 548 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:39,240 Speaker 1: sushi and what it looked like, and that a person 549 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:42,920 Speaker 1: is that knows that everybody has watched a video of them. 550 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:45,120 Speaker 1: That's something that would happen on a school yard. 551 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 2: I was just going to say that that is like 552 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:54,720 Speaker 2: a teenage eighth grade scenario that it's like the lowest 553 00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:59,640 Speaker 2: common denominator and it's that piling on thing. One person 554 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:01,880 Speaker 2: starts it's it, and then a couple of people and 555 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,160 Speaker 2: then everybody's involved, and then the next thing you know, 556 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,840 Speaker 2: you're all saying these horrible things. I mean, this is 557 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,160 Speaker 2: literally like kindergarten, or. 558 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,080 Speaker 1: It's also like college though a girl sleeps with Halt 559 00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:14,600 Speaker 1: the football team, and she's bullied about it, and it's 560 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:18,520 Speaker 1: brought out and like they become wrong because of the 561 00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:23,320 Speaker 1: way that she's ostracized and treated. I so I was again, 562 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:25,600 Speaker 1: I was in the machine back then and now going 563 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,880 Speaker 1: back and like watching it, I thought this is also gross. 564 00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,120 Speaker 1: And this is where the line gets crossed the viewer too, 565 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:33,520 Speaker 1: where the viewer doesn't feel good, the viewer feels gross 566 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:34,240 Speaker 1: for even watching. 567 00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:37,360 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, yes, I think it. 568 00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:42,680 Speaker 1: You know, there's love to hate, and there's love to love. 569 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:45,880 Speaker 1: But when you hate to hate and you feel disgusting, 570 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,640 Speaker 1: like you've just eaten something really that's vile, junk food 571 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:50,600 Speaker 1: that made you feel worse than when you started, that's 572 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:55,680 Speaker 1: when it's serious. So that was that conversation, and then 573 00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:59,720 Speaker 1: you're into name calling trout mouth and back and forth 574 00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:02,600 Speaker 1: like which yes it was. 575 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:06,600 Speaker 2: It was just way, way, way too much for me, 576 00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:10,920 Speaker 2: And I felt like, this is exactly why I never 577 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:16,320 Speaker 2: watched these shows because I I don't I don't want 578 00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:19,720 Speaker 2: my daughter thinking that's the way women behave with each other. 579 00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:23,080 Speaker 2: I that's not the way my relationships are. And not 580 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,840 Speaker 2: that you have to watch things that completely reflect your 581 00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:30,440 Speaker 2: own life and reality, but from a just from a 582 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:34,280 Speaker 2: moral standpoint, I felt like, can't we it is this 583 00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:37,920 Speaker 2: really entertainment or what is this? You know? Whereas the 584 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:41,600 Speaker 2: other pieces of it, as I said, I can understand 585 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:47,160 Speaker 2: why it's compelling and how it can be funny and interesting, 586 00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:51,360 Speaker 2: but there is a line, and that it was without 587 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:54,160 Speaker 2: a doubt crossed in that scene in my opinion right 588 00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,880 Speaker 2: because there's no there's no goal for any kind of resolution. 589 00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:00,600 Speaker 2: It's literally just to make everyone, to make somebody disgusting. 590 00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:03,400 Speaker 2: And this is what I really have learned since meeting 591 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:08,120 Speaker 2: all these women. Many people love a character, hate a character. 592 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:12,479 Speaker 2: The next week it goes upside down, but it's really 593 00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:13,360 Speaker 2: not the character. 594 00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:17,520 Speaker 1: It's not the talent's fault. Like what Margaret's job is 595 00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:20,240 Speaker 1: to dig up dirt on other people? Throw it into 596 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:24,000 Speaker 1: the mix, make it stick, and start over. It's you know, 597 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:26,680 Speaker 1: Danielle's job is to go in there and play that 598 00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,120 Speaker 1: trashy part because this week it's her turn to get 599 00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:33,000 Speaker 1: beaten up. And Melissa tries to ride the line, like 600 00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:35,520 Speaker 1: I said, of being the sensible one, but she's still 601 00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:39,800 Speaker 1: standing there like she she's trying to do enough. Melissa's 602 00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:41,720 Speaker 1: a character, it's always trying to do what she needs 603 00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:43,520 Speaker 1: to do to get by in the class. So she's like, 604 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,840 Speaker 1: this is unacceptable, but yeah, she's still there. If it 605 00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:49,040 Speaker 1: were really unacceptable, you walk out and leave, like she's 606 00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:52,160 Speaker 1: still sort of there, and Jennifer is laughing at the 607 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:55,080 Speaker 1: sushi joke. So everybody's like got to play their part 608 00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,600 Speaker 1: or they won't be able to survive on this show. 609 00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:59,719 Speaker 1: If you just walk out and leave, because in your 610 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:02,160 Speaker 1: real you would never tolerate this, you're not going to 611 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:05,080 Speaker 1: be on the show. So it's not the talent, it's 612 00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:08,240 Speaker 1: not the town's fault. It's Andy Cohen's fault, it's the producers. 613 00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:12,520 Speaker 1: It's Bravo's fault for going for the low hanging fruit 614 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:15,280 Speaker 1: and taking his past. But that's what sells these days. 615 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:22,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean that makes me sad. That's the being, 616 00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:26,280 Speaker 2: you know, because again there is entertainment and then there 617 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:33,400 Speaker 2: is just exploitation. And what really the the thing that 618 00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:38,120 Speaker 2: really gets me is that these these women who are 619 00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:40,960 Speaker 2: on the shows that you know, I'm sure there's a 620 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,760 Speaker 2: great high that you feel when you're the one who 621 00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,440 Speaker 2: is righteous in the situation and you're the one that 622 00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:49,400 Speaker 2: everybody that the fans are loving. That feels great, and 623 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:53,040 Speaker 2: that's a false sense of anything because then you're just 624 00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:56,640 Speaker 2: going to crash again and then thinking that that's how 625 00:33:56,680 --> 00:34:00,240 Speaker 2: we get that, like that's how we succeed in life. 626 00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:03,000 Speaker 2: It's just it's a little bit. It's disturbing to me. 627 00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:04,160 Speaker 3: It's a great point. 628 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,760 Speaker 1: You're very intuitive because you get back in the car 629 00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:09,040 Speaker 1: after that scene, like the producer then will be like, 630 00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:12,719 Speaker 1: oh my god, that was insane and amazing, and they 631 00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:15,520 Speaker 1: always act as if like they wouldn't have wanted that, 632 00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:18,840 Speaker 1: like wow, that was a little crazy, you know, like 633 00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:21,160 Speaker 1: and then you feel crazy because you feel like you 634 00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:23,000 Speaker 1: just want their approval to tell you that it went 635 00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:24,920 Speaker 1: well and that you're doing a good job. And you 636 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:29,040 Speaker 1: always want and it's a voracious you never it's a 637 00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:32,520 Speaker 1: bottomless pit. You never really get what they really think, 638 00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:35,839 Speaker 1: and they after scene like that, they might be like, yeah, 639 00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:37,560 Speaker 1: well no, the next scene you'll be able to clean 640 00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:39,439 Speaker 1: it up, so you like then get a do over, 641 00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:41,400 Speaker 1: and then the next scene you're trying to like then 642 00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:43,399 Speaker 1: they'll make you look crazy when you're like, I never 643 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:45,839 Speaker 1: want to be in a room with Margaret again, like right, 644 00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:49,080 Speaker 1: like and then they're like, well, we're all doing the 645 00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:52,160 Speaker 1: cast ship and the whole cast has to go. That's 646 00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:55,600 Speaker 1: where it is an actual workplace, but you're not. You 647 00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:57,520 Speaker 1: haven't signed a contract and you don't get to complain 648 00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:00,239 Speaker 1: to HR because it isn't a legal workplace. So then 649 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:02,279 Speaker 1: the producer the next week, they're going to Atlantic City 650 00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:04,560 Speaker 1: or wherever they're going. You don't want to go because 651 00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:05,920 Speaker 1: in your real life would you ever be in a 652 00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:08,000 Speaker 1: room with these people as long as you live. But 653 00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,759 Speaker 1: you're contracted to go to Atlantic City, so they're going 654 00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:12,879 Speaker 1: to make you go because they want to force either 655 00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:16,799 Speaker 1: some fake resolution and escalation, and then you don't want 656 00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,480 Speaker 1: to go to the reunion like it's a circular reference 657 00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:22,600 Speaker 1: that is not based in any reality, because those two 658 00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:24,480 Speaker 1: people would never speak to each other for the rest 659 00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:27,200 Speaker 1: of their lives. After a scene like that, right, yeah, 660 00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:27,839 Speaker 1: unless there. 661 00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:33,319 Speaker 2: Was some massive reckoning and you know, apology and understanding, 662 00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:37,200 Speaker 2: like yes, it would take moving mountains for those people 663 00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,560 Speaker 2: to be spending time together again. Let alone, I got 664 00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:41,560 Speaker 2: a fun trip. 665 00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:46,120 Speaker 1: Right, But if you don't want to do that, you 666 00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:48,960 Speaker 1: could lose your job. Like Lisa vander Pomba had a 667 00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:53,239 Speaker 1: much lighter altercation with Kyle that lives on to this 668 00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:56,120 Speaker 1: day and the other women, and she didn't want to 669 00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:58,840 Speaker 1: film most of the season, so she didn't film the 670 00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:02,000 Speaker 1: rest of a season. And then Bravo put in a 671 00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:08,000 Speaker 1: new law for housewives that any episode that you aren't in, 672 00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,120 Speaker 1: you won't get paid for. Meaning if you in your 673 00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:13,560 Speaker 1: real life would never want to shoot with these people 674 00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:16,319 Speaker 1: because you just wouldn't travel with them, then you won't 675 00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:18,720 Speaker 1: get paid. So you have to go on a trip 676 00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:20,680 Speaker 1: with them. You have to go somewhere. So it's the 677 00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,200 Speaker 1: upside down. You've been put in this situation where your 678 00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:25,640 Speaker 1: vagina has been compared to sushi and has teeth on it, 679 00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,800 Speaker 1: but now you have to go legally to a trip 680 00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:30,680 Speaker 1: with someone who said that to you. 681 00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:35,319 Speaker 2: Right, And I get how people would say, well, you 682 00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:37,960 Speaker 2: signed up for that, and that's what you know you're 683 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,719 Speaker 2: getting paid and you knew when you sign up. I mean, 684 00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:44,719 Speaker 2: that's only partly true. I think that is very misleading. 685 00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:48,360 Speaker 2: I don't think anybody would sign up to be humiliated 686 00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:52,160 Speaker 2: in that extreme of a fashion. I think that you 687 00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:54,960 Speaker 2: sign up and say, okay, I've never I did. I've 688 00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:58,520 Speaker 2: done two reality things, a cooking show and a thing 689 00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:00,960 Speaker 2: called Switch where you switch live a million years ago 690 00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:05,320 Speaker 2: for ABC. I understood in doing those I it's gonna 691 00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:09,080 Speaker 2: be me. But they were not exploitative shows. They were 692 00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:11,359 Speaker 2: not you know, I had to understand that whatever I 693 00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:15,239 Speaker 2: did was going to be put on TV, and I 694 00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:18,839 Speaker 2: can need control over that. But I certainly didn't sign up. 695 00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:21,040 Speaker 2: If I had gotten there and then they were, you know, 696 00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:24,520 Speaker 2: trying to really humiliate me, I'd be like, well, wait 697 00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:27,520 Speaker 2: a second, that's not what the agreement is. But how 698 00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:30,160 Speaker 2: do you put that like that? There's no language to 699 00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:33,839 Speaker 2: specifically say, like what is humiliation? I don't know. 700 00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:36,319 Speaker 1: Maybe actually, as I come up with language for this, 701 00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:38,560 Speaker 1: I think it's a good idea, like yes, calling someone 702 00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:41,040 Speaker 1: a prostitution horror, doing a song, airing it, having a 703 00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:43,840 Speaker 1: game show on Andy's Show as if it's entertainment. And 704 00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,760 Speaker 1: having a booth at Bravo that says prostitution horror. That's 705 00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:50,160 Speaker 1: crossing the line like you're saying whoror prostitution horror, like 706 00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:54,520 Speaker 1: where you're attacking someone's character in one of those categories. 707 00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:57,319 Speaker 1: You could be like, you're a manipulative bitch. Okay, we'll 708 00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:01,640 Speaker 1: keep it right, You're yeah, you are a drug addict, 709 00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:04,080 Speaker 1: prostitution whore. Is where the line is, you know what 710 00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:06,319 Speaker 1: I mean? Like, I think there is where things are 711 00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:10,520 Speaker 1: bridging illegal and talking about illegal activity things like that, 712 00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:13,960 Speaker 1: because they should be vetting people and maybe don't want 713 00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:15,799 Speaker 1: to have someone on that has a history with the law, 714 00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:18,440 Speaker 1: but they do want to have that on because that's 715 00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:20,439 Speaker 1: what they know will sell. So there's really no line 716 00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:22,120 Speaker 1: in who they'll put on the show. It's just like 717 00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,000 Speaker 1: it's a circular reference. It's very very interesting when you 718 00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:31,480 Speaker 1: say that. It's very interesting when you say that, because 719 00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:34,759 Speaker 1: we're both talking about how people can create in a 720 00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:36,640 Speaker 1: more constructive way. 721 00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:42,000 Speaker 2: Yes and still be you know, still be edgy and 722 00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:46,360 Speaker 2: still be funny and not completely PC you know, but 723 00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:49,399 Speaker 2: you could still do all of those things. But there 724 00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:51,879 Speaker 2: is and you know, it's just a sign I think 725 00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:56,200 Speaker 2: of culturally where we are headed sadly or where we 726 00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:59,560 Speaker 2: are and so because it's just reflecting, reflective of what 727 00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:04,520 Speaker 2: people are now willing to tolerate or need more to 728 00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:09,160 Speaker 2: be entertained or to make someone feel bad like it's 729 00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:13,160 Speaker 2: a pretty kind of scary trajectory, but it certainly right, 730 00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:15,240 Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. Years ago, there was a scene 731 00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:17,640 Speaker 2: where Kelly ben Simone said to me, this is me, 732 00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:19,600 Speaker 2: this is you, meaning I'm up here, you're down here, 733 00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:22,240 Speaker 2: and people it was one of the most iconic scenes ever. 734 00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:25,440 Speaker 2: But Okay, that's a dynamic that felt like a school, 735 00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:27,520 Speaker 2: that felt like a popular girl saying it to the 736 00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:29,799 Speaker 2: not popular girl. We can relate to that. We can 737 00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:33,160 Speaker 2: relate to Joe's daughter saying leave me out of this. 738 00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:36,360 Speaker 2: We can relate to Jennifer aid right, we can relate 739 00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:38,319 Speaker 2: to someone saying to someone else, I'm up here, you're 740 00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:41,640 Speaker 2: not here. We can't relate to someone as signing teeth 741 00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:45,240 Speaker 2: and a whole group watching a sex video and Ravo 742 00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:48,279 Speaker 2: saying it's okay that everybody watched Danielle's sex hit. How 743 00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:51,160 Speaker 2: could the talent feel protected? And even furthermore, this is 744 00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:54,799 Speaker 2: what really goes on many of These women came in 745 00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:58,919 Speaker 2: a little wounded, a little beaten up, and they were 746 00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:02,040 Speaker 2: these characters and they participated and they did it. But 747 00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:04,040 Speaker 2: then after they go through this and once you've been 748 00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:06,719 Speaker 2: called the prostitution horn, your vagina being discussed in a 749 00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:09,359 Speaker 2: certain way, or drugs, or you cannot get a. 750 00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:10,080 Speaker 3: Job anywhere else. 751 00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:11,920 Speaker 1: So this is the only place you can beg to 752 00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,400 Speaker 1: go back and make money, and it becomes desperation for 753 00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:17,080 Speaker 1: these people. And these are the people that the reality 754 00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:20,640 Speaker 1: Reckoning is about, not the Bethany Frankels, not the Kyle 755 00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:22,719 Speaker 1: and the Erica James. It's the people that have been 756 00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:24,360 Speaker 1: chewed up and spit out by the system. 757 00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:30,160 Speaker 2: I really, I really commend you for doing this. I 758 00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:34,440 Speaker 2: truly do. I think it's really brave. And people can 759 00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:37,680 Speaker 2: say whatever they want, but the in terms of oh, 760 00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:39,839 Speaker 2: it's easy to do that from where you're sitting, Yeah, 761 00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:42,000 Speaker 2: but that's why you can do it. That's the point, 762 00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:46,640 Speaker 2: you know, Yeah, And that that is exactly part of 763 00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:51,520 Speaker 2: the point, and it's really hard to it's you know, 764 00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:54,160 Speaker 2: this is the other thing that we lose often is 765 00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:57,600 Speaker 2: the nuance of these conversations, right, You're talking about the 766 00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:00,160 Speaker 2: nuance of things you're not saying these things should not 767 00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:04,240 Speaker 2: exist at all, and exactly you know you're going there 768 00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:07,399 Speaker 2: are levels and there are details to this that can 769 00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:12,319 Speaker 2: be just more constructive. So it is entertainment. That's what 770 00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:14,480 Speaker 2: it's supposed to be, right, I mean, isn't it right? 771 00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:17,280 Speaker 1: Entertainment with an edge. And as we are talking about 772 00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:24,000 Speaker 1: the the strike, it's not first and foremost shouldn't be 773 00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:28,480 Speaker 1: that kids should be paid for being exploited, but it 774 00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:31,080 Speaker 1: would definitely make it feel a little better. It should 775 00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:34,359 Speaker 1: be that the exploitation shouldn't be so that a kid 776 00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:35,880 Speaker 1: the rest of their life is going to be suffering. 777 00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:38,520 Speaker 1: And I think that the I already see a change. 778 00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:40,919 Speaker 1: I've seen a change, and watch what Happens live. They've 779 00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:42,719 Speaker 1: said that there's a change in the alcohol and the 780 00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:46,040 Speaker 1: mental health. There was a watered down version of Bravo 781 00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:48,160 Speaker 1: count Con this year, and that's good because it means 782 00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:50,359 Speaker 1: I've made They may not they won't admit that it's 783 00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:52,120 Speaker 1: because of me, but it means we've made a difference. 784 00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:56,200 Speaker 1: And in having this show, which truthfully, if I knew 785 00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:57,520 Speaker 1: that there was going to be a reckoning, I probably 786 00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:00,799 Speaker 1: wouldn't have launched this show. But even deciding to do it. 787 00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:04,040 Speaker 1: I never wanted to bash anybody, and I wanted to 788 00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:06,400 Speaker 1: use the show as a vehicle to talk to people that. 789 00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:08,280 Speaker 3: Are not on it about issues. 790 00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:13,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, and that to me is very compelling and really 791 00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:18,359 Speaker 2: important and doesn't have to be uh you know, that's 792 00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:22,640 Speaker 2: that I look. I am a firm believer in bringing 793 00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:27,799 Speaker 2: people together rather than trying to create division. And I 794 00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:30,560 Speaker 2: think we have enough of that already in this country. 795 00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:33,120 Speaker 2: I will not talk about politics, but it really like 796 00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:37,160 Speaker 2: that's that's the problem. And that might be interesting for 797 00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:40,560 Speaker 2: a narrative story that has a beginning, middle, and end, 798 00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:45,200 Speaker 2: but life is far more complex than that. And when 799 00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:48,840 Speaker 2: we create these these massive you know, where everything is 800 00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:52,959 Speaker 2: about someone being right in someone being wrong, and there's 801 00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:58,600 Speaker 2: no there's no place for actually connecting to people and 802 00:42:58,600 --> 00:42:59,799 Speaker 2: and and have. 803 00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:03,280 Speaker 1: You're saying we're at the most divisive time, Like people 804 00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:05,640 Speaker 1: are closet voting because if they say they're voting for 805 00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:08,840 Speaker 1: X person, the other person doesn't say, let's discuss why. 806 00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:11,839 Speaker 1: The other person says you're a fucking moron and you're 807 00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:14,239 Speaker 1: disgusting and you're a Karen and you're a racist. They 808 00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:17,839 Speaker 1: don't say, let's have a discussion. Yeah, exactly. And this 809 00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:22,239 Speaker 1: show can have debates, disputes about money, about divorce, about 810 00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:25,439 Speaker 1: only topics, but when it crosses the line and when 811 00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:28,360 Speaker 1: it's designed to ruin someone's life, that's what I'm talking about. 812 00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:30,640 Speaker 1: And again, and I say it all the time because 813 00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:33,360 Speaker 1: I don't normally say like, I'm right, that's a really, 814 00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:36,239 Speaker 1: but I am. On this topic, I'm right, I'm right. 815 00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:40,080 Speaker 1: It's just right and wrong. Yeah. So wow, Well this 816 00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:44,000 Speaker 1: was an interesting conversation. Wow, you're very insightful. I didn't 817 00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:45,840 Speaker 1: know that it was going to kind of go in 818 00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:46,440 Speaker 1: this direction. 819 00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:48,440 Speaker 3: I appreciate the conversation. 820 00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:51,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was entertaining. We had a good time. 821 00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:53,080 Speaker 3: Awesome. 822 00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:54,960 Speaker 1: All right. Well I'd love to have you back more. 823 00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:57,880 Speaker 1: So sorry if i'll make you watch these episodes. 824 00:43:58,000 --> 00:43:59,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, I need a little break before watching more. 825 00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:03,239 Speaker 1: But yeah, it'll be six months, all right. I can't 826 00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:05,120 Speaker 1: wait to get together with you. I loved sitting at 827 00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:07,120 Speaker 1: dinner with you. I thought you were amazing. 828 00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:09,760 Speaker 2: I loved it. I was so happy to be invited. 829 00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:13,239 Speaker 2: It was a great, pleasant surprise all around. I loved it. 830 00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:14,359 Speaker 2: I loved it. So thanks. 831 00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:16,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a nice group, amazing, awesome. 832 00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:17,000 Speaker 3: Well, thank you. 833 00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:19,440 Speaker 1: For being here, for watching, and for talking about it. I 834 00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:20,359 Speaker 1: appreciate it so much.