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Speaker 1: Kevin Walling Democratic Strategists, thank you so much for for

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Speaker 1: You've also breached the trust of the American public. There's

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Speaker 1: that position. And so yes, it was. It was the

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Speaker 1: right thing for him to do to offer his resignation,

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Speaker 1: and Secretary Asper did the absolutely right thing by accepting it.

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Speaker 1: Now had Modeley had a pass along those lines or no,

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Speaker 1: meaning is this is this out of character for him?

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Speaker 1: Or no, I think it's out of character for him.

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Speaker 1: I've I've worked with former Acting Secretary Modley in the past.

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Speaker 1: He was in many of the meeting dies and did

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Speaker 1: alongside Secretary of Defense James Maddis. You know, he's normally

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Speaker 1: a very circumspect, calm type of individual, and I think

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Speaker 1: this is a you know, like I mentioned, it could

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Speaker 1: have been just a leadership case study. Now it's as

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Speaker 1: Now it's a strategic communication case study that I would

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Speaker 1: say if you're if you're a CEO, if you're ahead

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Speaker 1: of another service, or you lead a larger, large organization,

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Speaker 1: take feed because this is a great example of how

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Speaker 1: sometimes things can happen quickly, and rather than slowing down

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Speaker 1: and surveying the landscape talking to some external advisors who

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Speaker 1: can maybe give you some a fresh perspective, you get

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Speaker 1: stuck into your own you know, bubble, You lose perspective,

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Speaker 1: and then you take rash actions because of it. And

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Speaker 1: as you know, Kevin, I mean, I've got a background

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Speaker 1: twenty years as a Navy fighter pilot, and the first

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Speaker 1: thing you do in an emergency is you pull those

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Speaker 1: throttles back that you can slow down your air speed.

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Speaker 1: You buy yourself more time, more opportunity to kind of

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Speaker 1: consider what you're what you're dealing with, and how you

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Speaker 1: should handle it. The lats at Mark one to translate

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Speaker 1: it for folks who have not heroically served our country,

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Speaker 1: go on a walk these days, these days living in

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Speaker 1: the pandemic, go on a walk before you send that

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Speaker 1: email or that text. Just go on to walk, catch

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Speaker 1: your breath. You know what. We're all in it together, folks, right,

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Speaker 1: but we're not because the net, because it's disproportionately affecting folks.

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Speaker 1: So I gotta stop saying that it's a tick a tick,

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Speaker 1: as they say, because it's been proven through the data

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Speaker 1: that underserved communities are getting on horrifically pummeled by this,

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Speaker 1: worse off than than other individuals. Guy Snodgrasses on the line,

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Speaker 1: good friend of the program. Uh he uh. We were

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Speaker 1: talking about how acting Navy Secretary Thomas Moodley have resigned. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And just to to finish this conversation, UH, Secretary Esper

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Speaker 1: Secretary of the Navy after he accepted Modley's resignation. Alright,

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Speaker 1: moving on to a different topic with Guy Snodgrass, who

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Speaker 1: Trump UH and the daily Coronavirus Task Force briefing. So

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Speaker 1: if I get it to him at orring or I

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Speaker 1: interrupt you, it's because of that guy. But what I

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Speaker 1: dealing with China, because I spoke with Tom Fors today.

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Speaker 1: We heard earlier in the program from a Democratic strub,

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Speaker 1: just Kevin Walling. All week past two weeks, really we've

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Speaker 1: had Democrats and Republicans on raising concerns about Shi Jing

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Speaker 1: new concerns about the World Health Organization. Former Vice President

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden also increasingly UH raising questions about shi jing

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Speaker 1: Ping as well. From your perspective, one, what did China

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Speaker 1: do wrong? And two what can the US do to

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Speaker 1: UH unify the global community to make sure that it

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Speaker 1: doesn't happen again. Yeah, that's a great question. And and

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Speaker 1: before I answer, I'm just gonna say keep for the

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Speaker 1: life that I'd been doing the warm up act for

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Speaker 1: the President United States. Heavy stuff. But but but yeah,

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Speaker 1: when we don't have to do you have time. We

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Speaker 1: don't have that yet, but go ahead. So when you

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Speaker 1: think about the relationship not only that we have with China,

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Speaker 1: but the China is seeking to build with the world,

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Speaker 1: as you and I've discussed on previous episodes, so the

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Speaker 1: Belton Road initiative, right, So, China's been very aggressive in

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Speaker 1: reputation building, and I think what you're you've seen over

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Speaker 1: China trying to build that reputation as a trust and partner.

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Speaker 1: It's been it's been demonstrated and talked about, not only

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Speaker 1: from from this administration, but from other international allies and

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Speaker 1: partners that China was not forthcoming early in the pandemic

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Speaker 1: with information that could have assisted other nations on the

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Speaker 1: world stage. That they have grossly underestimated or undercounted or

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Speaker 1: COVID nineteen and so. And then you also look at

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Speaker 1: offered assistance, but had asked for genetic information that could

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Speaker 1: have helped the code COVID nineteen earlier, which would have

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Speaker 1: helped our response. So that's those are just pieces of

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Speaker 1: China's engagement. Now, switching gears to the second part of

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Speaker 1: your question, what can the United States? What can this

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Speaker 1: administration due to you regain quite frankly, a leadership position

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Speaker 1: on the world stage as we navigate our way through

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Speaker 1: the remainder of our experience with coronavirus, I think the

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Speaker 1: because when you look back over the last three next years,

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Speaker 1: President Trump has been very hard hitting when it comes

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Speaker 1: to asking allies and partners to step up and do

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Speaker 1: more for burden sharing with Japan and South Korea, for

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Speaker 1: increased burden sharing with all NATO allies, and that has, unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: that's caused some friction, that's eroded some of the trust

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Speaker 1: and finance that America has built up over decades. So

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Speaker 1: when you get to this point where where we are

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Speaker 1: with coronavirus, as President Trump and the administration changes tact

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Speaker 1: us a little bit and says that you know, hey,

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Speaker 1: we we need we need our allies and partners now

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Speaker 1: more than ever, and we're going to be working collaboratively

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Speaker 1: with you because nothing is more important than getting through

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Speaker 1: this period of time. And I think that that all

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Speaker 1: of branch would be well received in the national community,

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Speaker 1: especially because you have Prime Minister Johnson in England who

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Speaker 1: There's just a lot of ways that the administration could

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Speaker 1: extend that all of branch, and I believe we take

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Speaker 1: a leadership position as we navigate through this period of time.

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Speaker 1: So let me ask you followed them, what is that

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Speaker 1: olive branch look like? Because you've got some conservatives in

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Speaker 1: the UK saying that there should be reparations coming from

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Speaker 1: Beijing for the calamity that they've thrown. This is according

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Speaker 1: to them, uh, in the global markets and and and

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Speaker 1: health obviously, So what what what did all of brand

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Speaker 1: look like once we finally flatten the curve and beat

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Speaker 1: this thing? Uh? What does an ol branch look like?

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Speaker 1: What can the President do in order to to to

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Speaker 1: get back some unification that would you know, strengthen the

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Speaker 1: alliance against sure So first and foremost, I think that

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Speaker 1: the president could easily grab onto a narrative that works

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Speaker 1: not only for rebuilding America and the eyes of our

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Speaker 1: allies and partners, that would also help to serve as

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Speaker 1: a hedge against China and quite frankly, would make President

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Speaker 1: Trump lookum, would increase his stock with the American voters

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Speaker 1: as he heads towards the November election. And that is

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Speaker 1: to to concede a little space and say that coronavirus

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Speaker 1: has served as a wake up call for us all

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Speaker 1: and now because of the way that the international community responded,

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Speaker 1: the assistance that America received from our European and our

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Speaker 1: Indo Pacific allies, allies in the Middle East. Uh. If

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Speaker 1: that support exists, you could say, look at all these

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Speaker 1: different countries that were helping each other out. That is

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Speaker 1: partners as a strength that America has and no other

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Speaker 1: nation like China, like Russia enjoys. Uh. And therefore it's

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Speaker 1: just renewed his faith and why that's important. And he

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Speaker 1: wants to ensure that America continues to lead that system

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Speaker 1: of allies and partners, and by doing so, he kind

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Speaker 1: of co ops the negative narrative and he makes it

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Speaker 1: look like, once again, President Trump, this administration in America

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Speaker 1: is leading on the global stage. And I think that

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Speaker 1: he has attempted to do that with his narrative that

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Speaker 1: against an invisible enemy, and to be able to kind

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Speaker 1: of grab that male in some respects hearkens back to

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Speaker 1: I think he'd be well served to concede a little

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Speaker 1: ground on burden sharing and demonstrate that he wants to

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Speaker 1: to take that position. You're listening to Guys Snodgrass. He

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Speaker 1: is a good friend of the program. He's CEO of

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Speaker 1: Defense Analytics, former director of commun Occations, and chief speech

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Speaker 1: trader to Secretary of Defense James Maddis. He's also got

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Speaker 1: that great new book, Holding the Line Inside Trump's Pentagon

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Speaker 1: with Secretary Matters in the in the minute and a

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Speaker 1: half or so that we have left, assuming that they're

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Speaker 1: on time, which regardless of parties, typically they're not. But

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Speaker 1: guy from just a final question on the China point,

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Speaker 1: where do you predict the global community. We talked about

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Speaker 1: how President Trump can navigate that olive branch with allies

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Speaker 1: and but where do you predict China goes from here

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Speaker 1: post COVID nineteen. Well, you know, it's interesting because the

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Speaker 1: last five six minutes of our conversation has been how

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Speaker 1: does the United States and how do other nations approach China?

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Speaker 1: And there is there are the realities. It's gonna take

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Speaker 1: nations and the United States do with our response to

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Speaker 1: to coronavirus. I think China's going to continue to spend

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Speaker 1: it that this potentially was something that originally originated the

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Speaker 1: United States. That China was very forthcoming, they were very helpful.

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Speaker 1: They even had the the public relations too, if you will,

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Speaker 1: of sending supplies to other nations and including the United States.

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Speaker 1: So they're gonna try and grab out of that narrative.

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Speaker 1: And I think that what the Trump administration in particular,

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Speaker 1: but other allies and partners can do is to continue

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Speaker 1: to hammer away on the fact that China was not forthcoming,

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Speaker 1: that that did not give the world a chance to

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Speaker 1: get up on step with our response and also pivot

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Speaker 1: to if you have a hard time trusting China on this,

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Speaker 1: And you've seen the toll it's taken for all these

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Speaker 1: nations and lives lost and people sickened. How can you

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Speaker 1: trust them with your five G network? How can you

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Speaker 1: trust them as someone designing your artificial intelligence algorithm? Uh,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of ways that you know, if you

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Speaker 1: can't trust China here where it's so important, there's a

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Speaker 1: how much trust we want to place in their system

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