WEBVTT - Andy Levy & Brian Merchant 0:00:00.640 --> 0:00:04.160 Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics, 0:00:04.360 --> 0:00:07.120 where we discussed the top political headlines with some of 0:00:07.160 --> 0:00:12.960 today's best minds, and Quinnipiac University national poll finds just 0:00:13.080 --> 0:00:18.160 sixty seven percent of Republicans sixty seven percent of Republicans 0:00:18.600 --> 0:00:22.720 support the BBB. We have such a great show for 0:00:22.760 --> 0:00:27.520 you today as the world churns. Andy Levy stops by 0:00:27.640 --> 0:00:30.680 to talk to us about the fallout from Trump and 0:00:30.840 --> 0:00:35.239 musks exploding romance. Then we'll talk to Blood in the 0:00:35.360 --> 0:00:40.920 Machines Brian Merchant about how AI is already quietly killing 0:00:41.040 --> 0:00:44.360 job prospects in America. But first the news Mali. 0:00:44.760 --> 0:00:48.360 These tariffs, it's never ending drama, just like Trump and Musk. 0:00:48.560 --> 0:00:51.879 Scopist says it's highly likely tariff deadlines will slide for 0:00:51.960 --> 0:00:55.120 countries and talks because sure third talks. 0:00:55.680 --> 0:00:58.560 I was taald that there would be ninety deals in 0:00:58.640 --> 0:01:00.000 ninety days. 0:00:59.800 --> 0:01:01.200 It's infrastructure week too. 0:01:01.760 --> 0:01:04.080 It's always infrastructure week, isn't it. 0:01:04.280 --> 0:01:07.280 That's what I'm saying. This is the new infrastructure week. 0:01:09.319 --> 0:01:12.640 So let's talk about the tariffs. Showed Endur's tariffs. There 0:01:12.640 --> 0:01:17.120 are so many different machinations of tariffs in different ways. 0:01:17.360 --> 0:01:21.759 There is a global tariff that Trump put on on 0:01:21.880 --> 0:01:25.560 April second, then he paused on April ninth. Then he 0:01:25.680 --> 0:01:28.360 promised ninety deals in ninety days. I mean, so they're 0:01:28.440 --> 0:01:32.120 less than thirty days to go. There are sixty deals now, 0:01:32.240 --> 0:01:35.720 I'm just kidding, they're not. There's one framework of a 0:01:35.760 --> 0:01:38.600 deal that's like you remember concepts of a plan. That's 0:01:38.680 --> 0:01:42.440 concept of a plan that's with the UK, one extension 0:01:42.760 --> 0:01:46.600 that's with the EU. Then there's the China disaster. But 0:01:46.720 --> 0:01:50.160 China's tends to be very easy to negotiate with and 0:01:50.320 --> 0:01:51.880 very operating in good faith. 0:01:52.360 --> 0:01:53.160 Just kidding. 0:01:53.400 --> 0:01:55.160 By the way, I just want to point out he 0:01:55.240 --> 0:01:59.200 could make deals with Canada and Mexico tomorrow. They are 0:01:59.200 --> 0:02:03.960 our largest partners, and like all the Canada and Mexico 0:02:04.000 --> 0:02:09.160 stuff is completely self imposed. Crisises that this administration is 0:02:09.200 --> 0:02:12.640 doing because Trump is so unpredictable, Like, make a deal 0:02:12.720 --> 0:02:16.280 with Canada and Mexico. Stop it. This is so stupid. 0:02:16.520 --> 0:02:19.919 It is pretty stupid. Speaking of stupid, a couple journalists 0:02:20.120 --> 0:02:23.720 have identified that there's this feedback group of right wing 0:02:23.760 --> 0:02:27.080 propaganda that keeps kind of fueling what's going on with 0:02:27.120 --> 0:02:31.400 these LA protests. Device and I have to tell you personally, 0:02:31.600 --> 0:02:33.840 I couldn't believe when I looked at Twitter this morning 0:02:33.919 --> 0:02:37.200 how much footage I was seeing of twenty twenty protests 0:02:37.320 --> 0:02:40.240 being passed on as if they're happening right now today. 0:02:40.560 --> 0:02:46.000 Yeah, twenty twenty protests, AI videos stuff from like the 0:02:46.040 --> 0:02:49.040 beginning of the Russia Ukraine War, when the right was 0:02:49.040 --> 0:02:52.160 sharing all these like insane videos where you were like, 0:02:52.360 --> 0:02:55.680 this is not Russia. This is a video game. That's 0:02:55.760 --> 0:02:58.160 what we have here. But you know, you have one 0:02:58.320 --> 0:03:02.399 group of influencers who are again like I don't mean 0:03:02.480 --> 0:03:04.800 to get on my hobby horse, but let me please 0:03:04.840 --> 0:03:08.680 get on my hub person. Congress refuse to regulate, right, 0:03:08.720 --> 0:03:12.680 they've refused to put any level of regulation on the internet. 0:03:13.040 --> 0:03:17.120 So there is no fact checker, there is no truth, 0:03:17.240 --> 0:03:21.480 There is no agreed upon truth. And so now if 0:03:21.520 --> 0:03:23.760 you're a bad faith actor, which a lot of these 0:03:23.800 --> 0:03:27.240 people are, you know, you're either a bad faith actor 0:03:27.520 --> 0:03:30.640 or you're stupid, right, because anyone else has been on 0:03:30.680 --> 0:03:34.720 the Internet so much, they know like this is not correct. 0:03:35.000 --> 0:03:37.040 You know, like I know what looks you know, if 0:03:37.040 --> 0:03:39.280 it looks too good to be true, it probably is. 0:03:39.680 --> 0:03:42.120 And I mean that with all the caveat. But what's 0:03:42.160 --> 0:03:45.120 scary about this administration is they actually, like in a 0:03:45.160 --> 0:03:48.040 normal administration, you'd see a picture and the president would say, well, 0:03:48.040 --> 0:03:49.440 I'm going to go to my D and I and 0:03:49.480 --> 0:03:53.120 make sure that this is real. In this administration, Donald 0:03:53.160 --> 0:03:55.440 Trump is like we have to go to war, you know, 0:03:55.880 --> 0:03:58.200 like he doesn't. There's not a lot of fact checking, 0:03:58.640 --> 0:04:01.520 and like we've seen this get and again, right, go on. 0:04:01.840 --> 0:04:05.880 And this administration. Tulci Gabbard yesterday was busy rattling off 0:04:05.920 --> 0:04:08.160 conspiracy theories on a video for like an hour. 0:04:08.560 --> 0:04:13.920 Yeah, exactly. I just don't understand how we are in 0:04:13.960 --> 0:04:16.919 this position again. And there's no like there are a 0:04:16.920 --> 0:04:20.840 few Republicans who are still around who understand that like 0:04:21.040 --> 0:04:24.240 what is real and what is not real. But a 0:04:24.279 --> 0:04:26.880 lot of Trump's people are just like, if he can 0:04:26.920 --> 0:04:29.160 get the base to believe it, who cares if it's real. 0:04:29.520 --> 0:04:32.320 That seems to be the modus operandi. 0:04:31.839 --> 0:04:33.000 Which is really scary. 0:04:33.240 --> 0:04:36.159 Yeah, it's it's horrible, and it really it was the 0:04:36.200 --> 0:04:38.880 same thing as the thing we know that like Musk 0:04:39.000 --> 0:04:42.240 has incentivized all this information by paying people. There's that 0:04:42.279 --> 0:04:44.960 great article in The Times a week ago about Don Luker, 0:04:45.080 --> 0:04:47.159 and you know that he just doesn't care about what 0:04:47.200 --> 0:04:50.240 he prints because Musk is paying him. Speaking of things though, 0:04:50.240 --> 0:04:52.280 that do break the pattern. Would you believe me if 0:04:52.279 --> 0:04:55.160 I said Mitch McConnell was really hard on Pete Hegseth 0:04:55.200 --> 0:04:57.200 at the hearing yesterday. 0:04:56.920 --> 0:04:59.479 Yes I would, because it's a guy who vote is 0:04:59.520 --> 0:05:02.520 like the one Republican who voted against all the crazy 0:05:02.960 --> 0:05:06.800 cabinet appointees. So I would believe that. I mean, look, 0:05:06.920 --> 0:05:09.880 Mitch mcconald is how we got here, so I don't 0:05:09.880 --> 0:05:14.120 think anyone should be, you know, feeling too bad for him. 0:05:14.120 --> 0:05:17.200 But that said, he has now realized, you know, he 0:05:17.240 --> 0:05:19.719 doesn't have power anymore, he's not in leadership, and he's 0:05:19.760 --> 0:05:23.800 realized that this is just a disaster, right, that Russia's 0:05:23.839 --> 0:05:26.480 being allowed to do whatever it wants with Ukraine, that 0:05:26.600 --> 0:05:30.880 America is no longer the shining city on the hell. 0:05:31.040 --> 0:05:33.840 This is what it is, man, this is what it is. 0:05:34.400 --> 0:05:37.840 And I think Mitch mcconald understands that he was part 0:05:37.920 --> 0:05:40.479 of this, and you know, I don't think he wishes 0:05:40.600 --> 0:05:43.880 us well. I do think there's some amount of like Oiva, 0:05:44.080 --> 0:05:45.680 I did this going on. 0:05:46.200 --> 0:05:49.880 So we usually don't wait into foreign policy waters. But 0:05:49.920 --> 0:05:52.200 what are the things you and I have often discussed. 0:05:51.800 --> 0:05:54.640 For anything about it? Yes, go on, we do. 0:05:55.520 --> 0:05:57.640 One of the things you and I often discussed, though, 0:05:57.680 --> 0:06:00.240 is what we do want to do is highlight the 0:06:00.240 --> 0:06:02.719 things we think are not getting discussed in the mainstream media. 0:06:02.760 --> 0:06:04.720 I think it's a little concerned that the US has 0:06:04.760 --> 0:06:07.360 reduced the presence of staffers do de deessential in the 0:06:07.360 --> 0:06:10.119 Middle East as tensions with Iran and rise. 0:06:10.880 --> 0:06:13.279 Yeah, look, this is so insane. 0:06:13.320 --> 0:06:13.520 Okay. 0:06:13.640 --> 0:06:16.720 Remember Donald Trump was like, I'm going to make peace 0:06:17.120 --> 0:06:19.400 in the Middle East in the first day. I remember 0:06:19.440 --> 0:06:22.000 that very well. It's like I'm going to end the tension. 0:06:22.520 --> 0:06:23.039 Yeah. 0:06:23.080 --> 0:06:25.919 And then he was like, We're going to develop Palestine, 0:06:27.400 --> 0:06:28.320 kick out all the Palestines. 0:06:29.080 --> 0:06:29.520 The tension. 0:06:29.640 --> 0:06:33.080 Yeah, is the tension. And now it looks like, you know, 0:06:33.200 --> 0:06:36.640 non essential American employees are getting out of Iran because 0:06:36.680 --> 0:06:41.279 something's cooking. Again. This is all hard, Like this is 0:06:41.279 --> 0:06:44.719 the thing about Elon Musk. Government is actually hard. It's 0:06:44.760 --> 0:06:46.640 just hard. It's hard to get a lot of people 0:06:46.760 --> 0:06:48.920 to do stuff. It's hard to make it work right, 0:06:49.440 --> 0:06:53.080 It's hard. So like making peace in the Middle East 0:06:53.520 --> 0:06:56.919 is hard. So part of Donald Trump's whole thing is 0:06:56.960 --> 0:07:01.800 that he is so brash and caw and sometimes his 0:07:02.120 --> 0:07:06.760 escalatory rhetoric works. It usually works with like sane countries 0:07:06.760 --> 0:07:09.280 that would have been our friends anyway, but it doesn't 0:07:09.320 --> 0:07:15.400 work with places like Israel or Raq or Palestine, and 0:07:15.480 --> 0:07:22.480 so really it is just, you know, it's so fucking bad. 0:07:22.640 --> 0:07:26.040 Excuse my friend, And you know, we just have this 0:07:26.200 --> 0:07:35.520 super disorganized, very craven, extremely ideological administration that is like 0:07:35.600 --> 0:07:38.880 a bull in a china shop and somehow still believes 0:07:38.920 --> 0:07:42.720 that Vladimir Putin is a good guy. And that's why 0:07:42.800 --> 0:07:46.080 we can't stop things escalate. There is no peace. It 0:07:46.280 --> 0:07:49.600 just all of this that we're seeing play out is 0:07:49.640 --> 0:07:52.160 everything we said was going to happen. Yes, we were 0:07:52.200 --> 0:07:55.200 wrong about the twenty twenty four cycle, but no, we 0:07:55.200 --> 0:07:57.280 were not wrong about what Donald Trump would do when 0:07:57.280 --> 0:08:04.280 he got an office. Andy Levy is the co host 0:08:04.320 --> 0:08:08.840 of As the World Churns. Welcome to Fast Politics, Andy Levy. 0:08:08.640 --> 0:08:11.040 Thank you, Molly, trying not to do something weird anyway, 0:08:11.080 --> 0:08:13.480 I'm here with a New York Times bestselling author, Molly 0:08:13.600 --> 0:08:17.400 john Fest. So what's up with that, Molly. 0:08:17.440 --> 0:08:19.440 Well, we were getting ready to record, by the way, 0:08:19.480 --> 0:08:22.440 I'm in Chicago. If I don't sound amazing, Jesse is 0:08:22.480 --> 0:08:24.960 probably going to kill me later. But I did get 0:08:25.040 --> 0:08:27.320 a call from my editor that my book How to 0:08:27.360 --> 0:08:30.760 Lose Your Mother, available in many places, is on the 0:08:30.760 --> 0:08:33.720 New York Times bestseller list. And you know, this is 0:08:33.760 --> 0:08:36.719 writing is like what I've done my whole life. So 0:08:37.200 --> 0:08:40.320 to be on the New York Times bestseller list, it's 0:08:40.400 --> 0:08:41.360 pretty fucking cool. 0:08:41.480 --> 0:08:44.880 Yeah, that's amazing, especially for a book that's based on 0:08:44.920 --> 0:08:47.040 a sitcom that went off the air like ten years ago. 0:08:47.440 --> 0:08:51.400 It's a book based on a meme. Right, it's not 0:08:51.440 --> 0:08:55.280 a sick it's a meme. It's a mean book. Yeah, okay, yeah, 0:08:55.280 --> 0:08:58.000 it's a meme books being of meme books, I have 0:08:58.040 --> 0:09:01.400 a whole thesis and I'd like to shop it to 0:09:01.480 --> 0:09:03.760 you and our listeners, and you tell me if you 0:09:03.840 --> 0:09:06.920 think that I'm wrong. I'm open to being wrong because 0:09:06.960 --> 0:09:09.640 now I'm in your time's bestselling author, So I have 0:09:09.880 --> 0:09:12.160 that self esteem buttress that I. 0:09:12.200 --> 0:09:13.319 Can set wrong. Sure. 0:09:13.520 --> 0:09:16.960 Last week, despite the fact that Trump World sort of 0:09:17.040 --> 0:09:20.640 spun it in many different ways, Trump did fight with Elon, 0:09:20.880 --> 0:09:23.600 the guy who has all our data. Then Elon called 0:09:23.640 --> 0:09:26.840 him a pedo. Then Trump called him a drug addict. 0:09:27.320 --> 0:09:29.760 Then Elon said maybe he shouldn't have tweeted all that 0:09:29.800 --> 0:09:33.559 stuff that was this week, and also Trump world lost 0:09:33.600 --> 0:09:36.320 in Cord and Trump the trade war. There are no 0:09:36.480 --> 0:09:39.240 ninety deals in ninety days, you know, everything is just 0:09:39.320 --> 0:09:42.839 sort of cluttering along. And then there's also somehow we're 0:09:42.880 --> 0:09:45.040 going to war with ver we're on. You know, like 0:09:45.120 --> 0:09:48.360 it just seems like all of the sort of last 0:09:48.400 --> 0:09:51.080 week you could still blur your eyes and be like 0:09:51.160 --> 0:09:53.840 Trump two point oho is more organized than to Trump 0:09:54.000 --> 0:09:57.800 one point zero. But now all of a sudden, like 0:09:57.880 --> 0:10:01.040 that illusion is gone and ad And that same time, 0:10:01.160 --> 0:10:04.720 Donald Trump decides that he should send the National Guard 0:10:05.320 --> 0:10:09.679 in to Los Angeles. Probably a coincidence, right. 0:10:10.040 --> 0:10:12.000 I don't know if it's a quincience. Look, I am 0:10:12.280 --> 0:10:14.240 unlike you and Donald Trump. I am not a New 0:10:14.320 --> 0:10:18.000 York Times bestselling author, So I feel kind of like 0:10:18.080 --> 0:10:21.200 the odd man out in this discussion. But I think 0:10:21.240 --> 0:10:23.840 two things can be true as they say. I think 0:10:23.920 --> 0:10:27.880 one is the timing of this is I I think 0:10:27.880 --> 0:10:31.600 you're onto something there. Like I do think that it 0:10:31.640 --> 0:10:35.160 hasn't been a great couple of weeks for Donald Trump 0:10:35.480 --> 0:10:38.720 by a lot of metrics, so his bread and butter 0:10:39.200 --> 0:10:41.800 is always going to be, you know, for his base, 0:10:41.960 --> 0:10:44.200 it's going to be going after brown people and going 0:10:44.240 --> 0:10:48.600 after black people, et cetera. So yeah, I think the timing, 0:10:49.000 --> 0:10:52.760 if it's coincidental, it's it's it's a very I guess. 0:10:52.840 --> 0:10:54.520 I don't want to say it's a good coincidence for 0:10:54.600 --> 0:10:58.280 Donald Trump, but it's the kind of thing that may 0:10:58.320 --> 0:11:01.880 be coincidental that it's a incidents think, is what I'm 0:11:01.880 --> 0:11:04.280 trying to say. But we know this is what Stephen 0:11:04.280 --> 0:11:07.240 Miller has wanted from day one, and they may have 0:11:07.440 --> 0:11:11.040 just seen with regard to the timing, well this happened, 0:11:11.520 --> 0:11:15.040 and then they said, Okay, let's do what we've been 0:11:15.120 --> 0:11:18.320 wanting to do. Let's send in the shock troops. Let's 0:11:18.360 --> 0:11:20.600 send in the jack booted thugs, let's send in the 0:11:20.679 --> 0:11:23.280 National Guard, the Marines. I'm worried that we're going to 0:11:23.320 --> 0:11:24.839 be finding a two front ore, one in t i 0:11:24.880 --> 0:11:28.880 Ron and one at the Grove, and that usually doesn't 0:11:28.960 --> 0:11:30.439 go well. 0:11:30.600 --> 0:11:34.120 Full disclosure. I was at the grove yesterday. There is 0:11:34.160 --> 0:11:37.120 no war at the grove. Now that said, it's a 0:11:37.160 --> 0:11:38.360 weird little MALLLL. 0:11:39.280 --> 0:11:40.880 It is a weird little mall yeah. 0:11:40.720 --> 0:11:42.839 It's a weird little mall. Like what I love about 0:11:42.960 --> 0:11:45.880 La Is there so many weird little spots that make 0:11:45.920 --> 0:11:49.480 no sense. I did nearly get hit by a trolley 0:11:49.559 --> 0:11:51.320 at the Grove buck Is there a trolley. 0:11:51.600 --> 0:11:53.160 Trolley was like four miles. 0:11:54.080 --> 0:11:56.880 Yeah, exactly. But you can still if you're tired enough, 0:11:56.920 --> 0:12:00.480 you can wander in there. So look, I was in 0:12:00.600 --> 0:12:04.400 La till about two hours ago, and I think. 0:12:04.600 --> 0:12:05.560 Did you get breathed? 0:12:05.800 --> 0:12:11.000 Oh yeah, oh yeah. Oh it's just it's mayhem and madness. No, 0:12:11.120 --> 0:12:13.880 it's totally fine. There's like a small area where people 0:12:13.920 --> 0:12:16.720 are protesting. I didn't hear anything, I didn't see anything. 0:12:16.760 --> 0:12:19.240 I didn't see any smoke. You know, it's not what 0:12:19.880 --> 0:12:22.000 the far right wants you to think it is. Now, 0:12:22.760 --> 0:12:24.680 that is why the far right has And there's a 0:12:24.679 --> 0:12:26.840 really good article about this and Wired and in the 0:12:26.880 --> 0:12:32.239 Times there's a they're spreading all these fake AI generated videos, 0:12:32.280 --> 0:12:36.320 so A generated videos, old videos saying that like Los 0:12:36.360 --> 0:12:38.920 Angeles is a healthcape. I would think they would want 0:12:39.000 --> 0:12:41.400 Los Angeles to be a healthcape. I guess they do 0:12:41.520 --> 0:12:43.000 want Los Angeles. 0:12:43.040 --> 0:12:46.839 Yeah, yeah, no, they look they want all those pictures 0:12:46.840 --> 0:12:49.240 to be real, you know, we've got that. They're even 0:12:49.280 --> 0:12:53.280 playing the old hits, the Palette of Bricks, right, I 0:12:53.280 --> 0:12:55.400 think that's right. I don't remember what year it wasn't 0:12:55.480 --> 0:12:58.320 that that first top the chart, but they're bringing it back. 0:12:58.640 --> 0:13:01.400 But yeah, look, I lived in LA for ten years. 0:13:01.480 --> 0:13:04.960 I have a lot of friends in LA. Nobody in 0:13:05.320 --> 0:13:10.160 La is talking about the city being on fire or 0:13:10.320 --> 0:13:13.520 they're riots all over in the streets. That stuff is 0:13:13.520 --> 0:13:16.880 simply just not happening, and we're being lied to for 0:13:16.960 --> 0:13:21.119 a change by the top administration and right wing media. 0:13:21.200 --> 0:13:24.560 If you want to talk about the violence, the violence 0:13:24.600 --> 0:13:28.040 is very one sided and it ain't coming from the protesters. 0:13:28.559 --> 0:13:32.280 Yeah, well, I think I actually have a friend who 0:13:32.400 --> 0:13:34.800 was protesting in New York and she was telling me 0:13:34.840 --> 0:13:38.720 that the ICE agents are trying to get the protesters 0:13:38.760 --> 0:13:43.120 to act out, like there's clearly a want here for escalation, 0:13:43.320 --> 0:13:45.960 but it's not necessarily on the protester side. That said, 0:13:46.200 --> 0:13:48.959 you don't you know, you can't be held responsible forever. 0:13:49.000 --> 0:13:52.240 I mean, I'm sure that a lot of people and 0:13:52.280 --> 0:13:54.560 we saw this, We've seen this with every protest, that 0:13:54.640 --> 0:13:57.360 there are protesters who do stuff that they're not supposed 0:13:57.400 --> 0:14:01.000 to do. So sure, I you know, you don't want 0:14:01.000 --> 0:14:04.560 to like blankets, say that no everyone's behaving. 0:14:04.600 --> 0:14:07.160 Well, sure, no, someone is always going to start a 0:14:07.200 --> 0:14:11.560 drum circle and that is reprehensible and should not be 0:14:11.840 --> 0:14:16.079 tolerated in the year twenty twenty five. But there's going 0:14:16.160 --> 0:14:18.600 to be stuff like that, and you can't you can't 0:14:18.720 --> 0:14:22.320 tar the whole of the protest because somebody has a bongo. 0:14:22.520 --> 0:14:26.480 It's just not fair. And by the same token, you see, 0:14:26.880 --> 0:14:29.240 you know, the media, as as people have pointed out, 0:14:29.280 --> 0:14:31.320 the media love to show cars on fire. That is, 0:14:31.840 --> 0:14:34.640 they can't they they cannot get enough of a car 0:14:34.720 --> 0:14:39.080 being on fire. So there could be one car on fire, 0:14:39.360 --> 0:14:41.840 and we have no idea how it happened, but we 0:14:41.880 --> 0:14:45.320 are going to see that image a thousand goddamn times, 0:14:45.760 --> 0:14:48.000 and there's going to be a lot of handwringing about 0:14:48.040 --> 0:14:51.640 the violence because a car in America is sacred, whereas 0:14:51.680 --> 0:14:54.680 the lives of individuals not so much. 0:14:54.920 --> 0:14:58.200 Not so much, not so much. No, yes, that's right, 0:14:58.440 --> 0:15:01.280 don't burn cars because cars for people. Let me ask 0:15:01.320 --> 0:15:04.040 you a question, now that Trump and Elon have broken up, 0:15:04.720 --> 0:15:08.040 is it still a federal crime to hurt a tesla? 0:15:08.280 --> 0:15:10.240 Or is that has that been rescinded. 0:15:10.880 --> 0:15:13.240 I mean, that's a good question. And in LA it 0:15:13.280 --> 0:15:15.360 seems to be that the protesters are going after the 0:15:15.360 --> 0:15:21.640 Wainbow vehicles because all these self driving cars have cameras 0:15:21.680 --> 0:15:24.360 of all of them, and the police in law enforcement 0:15:24.560 --> 0:15:28.400 and the FEDS are using them to surveil. So I 0:15:28.440 --> 0:15:30.280 was trying to figure out, Yeah, do you think is 0:15:30.360 --> 0:15:33.240 Elon does he have mixed feelings about this? Is he 0:15:33.400 --> 0:15:36.160 like upset that they're going after cars? But on the 0:15:36.200 --> 0:15:38.960 other hand, it's these Google cars like that are competitors 0:15:39.000 --> 0:15:41.760 to Tesla. This is a tough one to judge. Trump 0:15:41.800 --> 0:15:44.480 said he was selling his or he was getting rid 0:15:44.520 --> 0:15:45.520 of his Tesla, didn't. 0:15:45.280 --> 0:15:45.640 You say that? 0:15:45.840 --> 0:15:47.880 Yeah, yeah, which doesn't mean he did say he was 0:15:47.880 --> 0:15:52.160 getting rid of He told a reporter in the West 0:15:52.200 --> 0:15:54.760 Way when he was doing one of his many many 0:15:54.960 --> 0:15:58.680 sprays or you know whatever it's called, that he is 0:15:58.720 --> 0:16:03.080 selling his red Tesla out. Let's just talk about this 0:16:03.240 --> 0:16:08.360 sort of musk trying to retrench himself efforts. Okay, So, 0:16:08.720 --> 0:16:12.840 by the way, the polling on the BBB is the big, bad, 0:16:13.040 --> 0:16:17.600 beautiful Buxom bill is bad, bad, bad, real bad. You 0:16:17.600 --> 0:16:18.640 want to know how bad it is? 0:16:19.120 --> 0:16:19.840 How bad is it. 0:16:20.240 --> 0:16:22.560 I'll tell you how bad it is. It's bad, bad, bad. 0:16:22.760 --> 0:16:25.640 I mean, if I were pulling that badly, it's like 0:16:25.800 --> 0:16:30.160 black death. And then the BBB Big Beautiful Bill two 0:16:30.200 --> 0:16:34.600 to one. Americans opposed independents are three to one negative 0:16:34.640 --> 0:16:38.160 on it BBB bad bad bad. They should have called 0:16:38.160 --> 0:16:39.520 it something else. 0:16:40.200 --> 0:16:43.200 Yeah, well, I guess the people are on Elon's side 0:16:43.400 --> 0:16:46.640 on that one because he was going after the BBB. 0:16:47.160 --> 0:16:50.800 He was going after it because he wanted it to 0:16:51.040 --> 0:16:54.440 give him credits so that his car company could do well, 0:16:54.480 --> 0:16:57.200 not because he gives talk about the data sets. 0:16:57.400 --> 0:16:59.800 Which, by the way, is the same reason he's apologizing 0:16:59.840 --> 0:17:03.280 to Trump. I mean, yeah, I mean the federal contracts 0:17:03.280 --> 0:17:07.960 between you know, SpaceX and and the favors he needs 0:17:07.960 --> 0:17:12.320 for Tesla. I mean, I have got to think that 0:17:12.680 --> 0:17:17.000 this you know, pseudo apology or halfway apology that he 0:17:17.240 --> 0:17:21.280 that he did was spurred on by the boards of 0:17:21.920 --> 0:17:25.199 some of his various companies, by the Tesla board, by 0:17:25.800 --> 0:17:29.359 the people at SpaceX who were like, dude, if the 0:17:29.359 --> 0:17:35.520 federal government cancels SpaceX contracts, we're out of business. I mean, 0:17:35.560 --> 0:17:37.200 they can't stay in business without that. 0:17:37.520 --> 0:17:41.800 Let's just talk for a second about this, this elon 0:17:42.960 --> 0:17:46.600 apology tour. So his he had an early morning tweet 0:17:46.680 --> 0:17:51.240 on Wednesday, which is either today, yesterday, or five years ago, 0:17:52.000 --> 0:17:55.560 and in it he said he regret regretted going quote 0:17:55.640 --> 0:18:00.000 too far in criticizing President Trump. I assume that's the 0:18:00.320 --> 0:18:04.720 HEADO tweet, but it could have been something else. Love 0:18:04.800 --> 0:18:08.800 this administration. Musk's effort, and I mean that with all 0:18:08.880 --> 0:18:11.760 the disdain in the world, that's irony or is it sarcasm? 0:18:11.760 --> 0:18:15.760 It's circus. Musk's efforts to make amends began on Friday 0:18:16.320 --> 0:18:20.399 when he spoke by phone with White House Chief of Staff. 0:18:20.440 --> 0:18:23.400 This is a reporting from Axios, Susie Wilds and Vice 0:18:23.440 --> 0:18:27.320 President Vance. Three people familiar with the discussion said, so 0:18:27.359 --> 0:18:32.840 one of that's Trump. Vance and Susie told Axios that 0:18:33.320 --> 0:18:38.200 Musk call them it matters. Why does it matter? American 0:18:38.240 --> 0:18:40.960 democracy is going to die. It's Musk is trying to 0:18:41.000 --> 0:18:43.879 get Trump to take him back. And then Musk fears 0:18:43.960 --> 0:18:47.560 Trump's beautiful bill will add trillions the federal deficit. Do 0:18:47.600 --> 0:18:49.800 you think he really fears that. I don't think he 0:18:49.840 --> 0:18:50.520 gives a fuck out. 0:18:50.560 --> 0:18:54.919 I don't think. No, he fears it will add money 0:18:54.960 --> 0:18:59.080 to his deficit, yes, you know, uh not not to 0:18:59.119 --> 0:19:01.280 the federal deficat. No, I don't believe for a second 0:19:01.359 --> 0:19:03.359 he gives a shit about that. I mean I was 0:19:03.400 --> 0:19:06.600 talking to I was talking to Si Cup last week 0:19:06.880 --> 0:19:10.679 on my podcast As the World Turns, available wherever you 0:19:10.680 --> 0:19:15.960 get your podcasts, also on YouTube, and uh, she asked 0:19:16.000 --> 0:19:19.040 me who I thought had more to lose in the 0:19:19.400 --> 0:19:21.840 Musk Trump war, and I said, you know, to me, 0:19:21.920 --> 0:19:27.160 it was obviously Musk. I mean, Trump doesn't need Musk anymore. 0:19:27.720 --> 0:19:30.119 This is separate, by the way, from the Republican Party 0:19:30.160 --> 0:19:33.320 maybe needing Musk because it was his money that was 0:19:33.400 --> 0:19:37.119 that is fueling a lot of the you know, that 0:19:37.240 --> 0:19:40.560 is filling a lot of their election coffers. But Trump, 0:19:41.320 --> 0:19:44.400 at least as of today, isn't running for office again, 0:19:45.160 --> 0:19:50.640 So he personally doesn't need Elon really, and he does 0:19:50.720 --> 0:19:53.200 not give a shit about the Republican Party. We know that. 0:19:53.880 --> 0:19:57.080 So telling Trump he needs Elon because the Elon is 0:19:57.080 --> 0:20:01.399 good for the Republican Party, Trump doesn't understand that. But Elon, 0:20:01.640 --> 0:20:04.240 as as we've been talking about, Elon needs Trump because 0:20:04.240 --> 0:20:09.840 his entire livelihood is dependent on taxpayer money, on federal funding. 0:20:10.359 --> 0:20:15.679 So it's not really. You know, if again, if if 0:20:15.720 --> 0:20:18.080 you ask me which one of them was going to blink, 0:20:18.160 --> 0:20:19.920 I would have said, of course it's going to be Musk. 0:20:20.040 --> 0:20:20.560 He has to. 0:20:20.800 --> 0:20:23.960 So that's the question. Now there is the fact that 0:20:24.320 --> 0:20:27.359 some of the companies that Elon has and I you know, 0:20:27.760 --> 0:20:33.040 like SpaceX and Star like, there's no other company that 0:20:33.160 --> 0:20:36.399 necessarily does. I mean, other companies could catch up, but 0:20:36.480 --> 0:20:40.160 they'll be a lack right, So I'm not sure. I mean, 0:20:40.200 --> 0:20:42.520 I've certainly read pieces that say and again this is 0:20:42.640 --> 0:20:45.800 really like be this is like internet, you know, like 0:20:45.880 --> 0:20:48.840 this is like foreign policy stuff. It's just a little 0:20:48.880 --> 0:20:51.359 bit out of my skill set. So I don't know 0:20:51.800 --> 0:20:57.359 what this you know, what satellite manufacturing looks like in 0:20:57.440 --> 0:20:59.800 other countries. You know, I don't know what the what 0:20:59.840 --> 0:21:02.760 the companies are, but there definitely is I don't think 0:21:03.040 --> 0:21:05.520 Elon can be I mean, I don't know that he 0:21:05.560 --> 0:21:08.720 can lose all those government contracts right now, but he 0:21:08.880 --> 0:21:13.280 certainly can lose like EV credits and Tesla is super overvalued, 0:21:13.440 --> 0:21:16.160 right everyone's you know, that's a sort of no known 0:21:16.440 --> 0:21:20.480 So I do think they're and you know, Elon is 0:21:20.600 --> 0:21:24.560 so overleveraged, you know, between X, I mean, he's very rich, 0:21:24.680 --> 0:21:27.679 but he's very leveraged, so you know, there could be 0:21:27.720 --> 0:21:30.000 the margin call from hell there. I mean, I just 0:21:30.000 --> 0:21:32.159 don't know enough about his finances, but I certainly know 0:21:32.560 --> 0:21:34.720 that the fact that he's trying to get back into 0:21:34.760 --> 0:21:37.639 Trump world, you don't do that. Like if things are 0:21:37.680 --> 0:21:40.280 going great, it seems hard for me to imagine that 0:21:40.320 --> 0:21:41.560 he's going to go back and eat grow. 0:21:42.080 --> 0:21:47.880 Yeah, and look, I think you know, Starlink maybe almost 0:21:48.040 --> 0:21:50.040 a one of a kind thing now, you know, with 0:21:50.200 --> 0:21:53.840 satellite Wi Fi and or satellite internet whatever and all 0:21:53.880 --> 0:21:58.560 of that. But again, it is pretty wholly dependent on 0:21:58.720 --> 0:22:02.800 government contracts, not just ours, other governments as well. And 0:22:02.840 --> 0:22:06.280 the thing is, if if Trump decides he's going to 0:22:06.320 --> 0:22:10.440 destroy Elon, you know, damn well, he's gonna tell other 0:22:10.480 --> 0:22:13.560 countries to get rid of their startling systems or to 0:22:13.680 --> 0:22:16.879 not invest in future ones. And that's really like, like 0:22:16.920 --> 0:22:19.520 you said, they may be the only you know, player 0:22:19.560 --> 0:22:22.159 in town right now, that doesn't mean they always will be. 0:22:22.200 --> 0:22:26.080 And they need these future contracts to keep growing as 0:22:26.080 --> 0:22:29.680 a company because that's all that Wall Street Etca. Cares 0:22:29.720 --> 0:22:34.240 about his growth. So I think that's where and the 0:22:34.240 --> 0:22:36.879 same goes for SpaceX space X. Yes, they're kind of 0:22:37.200 --> 0:22:41.280 you know, Bezos has his his his own little penis 0:22:41.320 --> 0:22:44.880 replacement thing going on. But but space X is really 0:22:44.920 --> 0:22:46.200 the only player in the game. 0:22:47.320 --> 0:22:48.560 But they are the player. 0:22:48.600 --> 0:22:51.199 They're a player in the game again because of the 0:22:51.240 --> 0:22:55.040 government contracts, because of contracting with NASA and and things 0:22:55.080 --> 0:22:57.639 like that. So you yank all of those and you 0:22:57.680 --> 0:22:59.399 can say, well, but no one else is doing with 0:22:59.600 --> 0:23:03.040 what's SpaceX is doing. But SpaceX ain't going to be 0:23:03.040 --> 0:23:05.679 doing that if it's just dependent on the private sector 0:23:05.800 --> 0:23:06.400 right now. 0:23:06.960 --> 0:23:08.960 Right, I mean, it's a I think this is a 0:23:09.040 --> 0:23:12.720 real these both of these men are not in great situations. 0:23:12.760 --> 0:23:17.119 And that's okay. That's okay with me. I'm good with that. 0:23:17.240 --> 0:23:19.920 So I just don't understand why there's not more discourse 0:23:19.920 --> 0:23:21.760 about this. So I'm going to make you talk with 0:23:21.800 --> 0:23:23.760 me about it. 0:23:23.920 --> 0:23:25.960 Just about your booking the New York Times bestseller. 0:23:26.720 --> 0:23:30.000 No, but it is. I'm very excited. But the BBB 0:23:30.800 --> 0:23:33.199 is this bill that got through the House and then 0:23:33.280 --> 0:23:35.320 you had all these House members being like, I didn't 0:23:35.359 --> 0:23:37.520 really know what was in it. I just voted for it. 0:23:37.600 --> 0:23:40.800 Marjorie Taylor Green. You know, all these people voted for it, 0:23:41.119 --> 0:23:44.400 and it passed by one vote. Okay, So now it's 0:23:44.440 --> 0:23:47.960 going through the Senate. It's wildly unpopular. You have Elon 0:23:48.080 --> 0:23:51.959 tweeting about it still, uh, And I just wonder like 0:23:52.680 --> 0:23:57.399 why are Democrats not getting you know, like Rand Paul's 0:23:57.400 --> 0:23:59.800 already and now so we know Rand Paul's in now, 0:24:00.359 --> 0:24:04.560 and you know that you only need like three more okay. 0:24:05.080 --> 0:24:09.679 And we have like Bill Cassidy, the Senator from Louisiana 0:24:09.680 --> 0:24:12.080 who's a doctor and should know better. He made a 0:24:12.160 --> 0:24:14.960 deal with RFK Junior where r FFK Junior said, I'm 0:24:15.000 --> 0:24:18.560 not going don't worry. I love vaccines. I just have 0:24:18.640 --> 0:24:23.000 been saying that they cause terrible diseases. So he fired 0:24:23.040 --> 0:24:25.320 the whole vaccine board and he's going to replace them 0:24:25.359 --> 0:24:32.000 with new better maga the doctors okay maybe or just 0:24:32.080 --> 0:24:39.560 not that doctor Oz right and doctor Phil and so. 0:24:39.560 --> 0:24:42.320 So this is a guy who's really been rolled. Okay. 0:24:42.520 --> 0:24:46.200 So I just don't understand why there isn't why Schumer 0:24:46.280 --> 0:24:49.840 is not out there whipping votes against his bill, like what, 0:24:50.600 --> 0:24:54.600 don't laugh at me, don't laugh at me. I were 0:24:55.680 --> 0:25:00.960 Senate Majority Minority leader, I'd be out there being like, look, man. 0:25:00.800 --> 0:25:04.159 This is what I to say, but you can't possibly 0:25:04.240 --> 0:25:07.240 expect that Chuck Schumer would do that. I mean, that's 0:25:07.280 --> 0:25:10.200 what I'm laughing at, is the idea of Chuck Schumer 0:25:10.280 --> 0:25:10.760 doing that. 0:25:11.240 --> 0:25:13.720 Well, if he should be doing that, are you sorry 0:25:13.760 --> 0:25:14.200 to tell you? 0:25:14.480 --> 0:25:17.920 Yes, there's a whole laundry list of things he should 0:25:18.119 --> 0:25:21.240 have been doing, and should be doing and should do 0:25:21.320 --> 0:25:25.120 in the future, and he hasn't really checked off any 0:25:25.119 --> 0:25:28.320 of them as far as I can tell. And you 0:25:28.359 --> 0:25:31.800 know you're right. Look the Democrats. You started your question 0:25:31.960 --> 0:25:34.720 and by saying why are Democrats? And I thought you 0:25:34.760 --> 0:25:37.080 were going to stop there, Like I didn't realize that 0:25:37.119 --> 0:25:38.919 this was going to be about something specific, because the 0:25:39.000 --> 0:25:43.119 question I'm always asking is why are democrats? Because it's 0:25:43.280 --> 0:25:47.959 so frustrating. It's just the fact that there's only like 0:25:48.000 --> 0:25:52.200 a handful of elected Dems who understand what is going 0:25:52.240 --> 0:25:55.119 on right now in this country. There are the people 0:25:55.160 --> 0:25:57.800 like Chuck Schumer who will say that they understand, but 0:25:57.920 --> 0:26:02.560 they won't act like they understand. And as many people 0:26:02.640 --> 0:26:05.880 have said, like we just spent a whole election warning 0:26:06.440 --> 0:26:09.560 about what was going to happen to democracy under Trump 0:26:09.640 --> 0:26:11.800 two point zero, and then as soon as he got 0:26:11.800 --> 0:26:15.360 elected the Democrats acted like they hadn't been running on that. 0:26:16.200 --> 0:26:20.080 So I agree with you, but I think, you know, 0:26:20.200 --> 0:26:25.800 putting your faith in Chuck Schumer. You know, it's like 0:26:26.119 --> 0:26:30.479 seeing a bowl on the table with popcorn in it 0:26:30.560 --> 0:26:34.520 and just assuming it must be you know, fresh new 0:26:34.560 --> 0:26:38.280 popcorn for no reason at all, and then eating it 0:26:38.359 --> 0:26:40.400 and getting botulism and diner. 0:26:41.480 --> 0:26:45.800 That was. That was. I had no idea where it 0:26:45.880 --> 0:26:48.480 was going, dying as I was saying it. 0:26:48.640 --> 0:26:49.880 I had no idea where it was going. 0:26:50.280 --> 0:26:55.119 Andy Levy, Andy Levy, thank you, thank you, thank you. 0:26:56.040 --> 0:26:58.399 Always a pleasure, Molly, Always a pleasure to talk to. 0:26:58.400 --> 0:26:59.760 A New York Times best selling author. 0:27:01.560 --> 0:27:06.159 Brian Merchant is the author of the book and the Substack, 0:27:06.440 --> 0:27:11.119 Blood in the Machine, and host of the podcast System Crash. 0:27:11.320 --> 0:27:12.760 Welcome to Fast Politics. 0:27:12.760 --> 0:27:14.800 Fine, thanks so much for having me, Molly. 0:27:15.280 --> 0:27:18.879 So let's talk about AI. It's going to replace us 0:27:18.920 --> 0:27:20.840 all and solve all of our problems. 0:27:21.160 --> 0:27:24.720 Yeah, that's right. Let's just uh, let's head out to 0:27:24.760 --> 0:27:27.600 the park, let's have a picnic, and we could call it, 0:27:27.640 --> 0:27:29.400 call it, call it a call it a century. 0:27:30.640 --> 0:27:33.199 Sadly, no, I'm going to put it on the blockchain. 0:27:33.480 --> 0:27:36.040 I am married to a venture capitalis he's a good one. 0:27:36.160 --> 0:27:40.800 He's one of the few good ones because he's farf education. Yeah, 0:27:40.840 --> 0:27:43.399 but they were like about five years where everything was 0:27:43.440 --> 0:27:47.320 going on the fucking blockchain. You know, what's on the blockchain? Nothing? Nothing, 0:27:47.320 --> 0:27:51.520 that's on the blockchain. So Trump trump coin, Yes, on 0:27:51.560 --> 0:27:54.400 the blockchain, So can we put this on the blockchain? 0:27:54.600 --> 0:27:55.879 You know? AI is. 0:27:56.480 --> 0:27:59.080 It's interesting because it's not the same level of vaporware 0:27:59.280 --> 0:28:02.360 right where you know, in some cases maybe would be 0:28:02.359 --> 0:28:05.440 better for people who are getting affected by this stuff 0:28:05.480 --> 0:28:08.120 if it were. But like on a couple of different levels, 0:28:08.160 --> 0:28:12.120 like one, like the investment in AI has been through 0:28:12.160 --> 0:28:16.800 the roof. It's bigger than you know, anything related to 0:28:16.800 --> 0:28:20.520 blockchain or NFTs or the metaverse. The last you know, 0:28:20.680 --> 0:28:23.479 handful of cycles from TA come out of Silicon Valley. No, 0:28:23.560 --> 0:28:26.080 Silicon Valley has decided that it's you know, for all 0:28:26.119 --> 0:28:29.000 intents and purposes, all in on AI. So that's one 0:28:29.000 --> 0:28:32.399 of the things that is so unnerving about this moment 0:28:32.520 --> 0:28:36.240 because they're pouring capital into it, whether or not a 0:28:36.320 --> 0:28:38.760 lot of these products can do what they say they 0:28:38.760 --> 0:28:40.959 can do, whether or not they work, whether or not 0:28:41.040 --> 0:28:44.440 they're you know, bullshit machines. Can I say bullshit on 0:28:44.480 --> 0:28:45.000 this show? 0:28:45.200 --> 0:28:49.440 Oh please? This is not cable news, just curcip of storm. 0:28:49.600 --> 0:28:54.760 My listeners love profanity. I wonder I really hate AI, 0:28:55.480 --> 0:28:57.800 and I'll tell you why because I'm a writer and 0:28:57.840 --> 0:29:03.120 I love beautiful pros and I care deeply about my 0:29:03.240 --> 0:29:06.040 words being written by human Am I going to be 0:29:06.240 --> 0:29:08.560 just completely fucked in about two years? 0:29:08.720 --> 0:29:09.840 So as writers? 0:29:10.080 --> 0:29:13.000 You know, I'm a writer myself, and we we are 0:29:13.120 --> 0:29:15.800 used to being fucked right, like we're used to getting 0:29:16.240 --> 0:29:17.320 from all corners. 0:29:17.760 --> 0:29:20.680 I come from a you know, my grandfather, my mother, 0:29:20.800 --> 0:29:24.000 so I am quite used to just watching the business 0:29:24.200 --> 0:29:26.400 definstride itself over and over again. 0:29:26.760 --> 0:29:27.560 But this is new. 0:29:27.920 --> 0:29:31.800 The scale and the ease by which we can be 0:29:31.840 --> 0:29:35.400 fucked now is new and is alarming and is doing 0:29:35.560 --> 0:29:41.280 real wrecking ball level damage to the industry, especially, you know, 0:29:41.480 --> 0:29:45.080 it's especially certain segments of the industry. Right of different, 0:29:45.360 --> 0:29:50.280 there's I think journalism and writing like for magazines. They're 0:29:50.320 --> 0:29:53.200 not going to be replaced outright, but we can already 0:29:53.280 --> 0:29:57.400 see sort of what the glut of AI generated content 0:29:57.440 --> 0:30:00.360 that's showing up in blogs, that's being used by place 0:30:00.480 --> 0:30:02.760 like my former employer, like right, I used to write 0:30:02.760 --> 0:30:05.920 the tech column at the La Times, and after I left, 0:30:06.000 --> 0:30:08.880 they started using this AI insights tool to try to 0:30:08.920 --> 0:30:12.240 add value to it. You know, BuzzFeed is using AI, Sports, 0:30:12.280 --> 0:30:16.080 Illustrated Cnet, all of these places where like AI is 0:30:16.160 --> 0:30:19.200 like coming in from the sides, and it's this. It's 0:30:19.320 --> 0:30:22.160 very cheap. It's just cheap content doing what a bunch 0:30:22.200 --> 0:30:26.400 of cheap stuff does to any market. It degrades it, 0:30:26.160 --> 0:30:30.080 It lowers the value. It makes it harder for people selling, 0:30:30.520 --> 0:30:33.000 you know, the real stuff to make a living. And 0:30:33.040 --> 0:30:36.120 this is happening to artists and writers, graphic designers and marketers. 0:30:36.480 --> 0:30:38.320 This is real and it is you know, like I 0:30:38.320 --> 0:30:40.360 wrote a book about the Luddites, So this is exactly 0:30:40.360 --> 0:30:42.640 what happened to the Luttites who made craft goods, who 0:30:42.640 --> 0:30:45.960 made you know, cloth goods, who produced cloth stuff. Automation 0:30:46.360 --> 0:30:49.760 flooded the market with cheap stuff, and factory owners, you know, 0:30:49.880 --> 0:30:53.120 exploited cheap labor to compete with the people doing the 0:30:53.160 --> 0:30:56.400 real stuff who still wanted to make good quality garments, 0:30:56.520 --> 0:30:58.760 and then put them out of business through push them 0:30:58.760 --> 0:30:59.200 to the street. 0:30:59.280 --> 0:31:00.920 So I think that's where we're going. 0:31:01.440 --> 0:31:04.160 I mean, I I worry there's a lot you know, 0:31:04.240 --> 0:31:09.440 people like you said, people are really desirous of having 0:31:09.680 --> 0:31:13.320 you know, human connection, like reading words written by human 0:31:13.400 --> 0:31:17.200 people don't really seek out AI generated stuff the watcher 0:31:17.280 --> 0:31:19.840 to read, right, Like yeah, So like I think that 0:31:20.000 --> 0:31:22.600 there's still going to be a desire for that, but 0:31:22.720 --> 0:31:25.680 I do think the market's going to be a lot worse. 0:31:25.760 --> 0:31:28.640 And you know, like for people like you and I 0:31:28.640 --> 0:31:31.280 I think it might eat away at our margins. But 0:31:31.360 --> 0:31:33.120 you know, we've been at it for a while, Like 0:31:33.320 --> 0:31:36.800 you know, I have established contacts at different places, like 0:31:37.080 --> 0:31:40.040 I'll probably be okay, You'll probably be okay. But it's 0:31:40.080 --> 0:31:41.720 the people coming up in the field, Like how do 0:31:41.800 --> 0:31:44.120 I get started? Well, like, we just have an AI 0:31:44.240 --> 0:31:47.680 that like generates like our our marketing copy or our 0:31:47.760 --> 0:31:51.240 blog posts for products, or even like doing our sort 0:31:51.240 --> 0:31:54.280 of introductory editing work because it's just cheaper to do. 0:31:54.480 --> 0:31:57.280 So where are people getting footholds in these industries? Where 0:31:57.280 --> 0:32:00.640 are people you know, finding opportunities to sort of even 0:32:00.680 --> 0:32:03.720 break in? And I think AI is just like flooding 0:32:03.760 --> 0:32:07.760 those zones and making them pretty unnavigable and so like 0:32:07.840 --> 0:32:10.640 that along with the creative industries is where I really 0:32:10.680 --> 0:32:12.720 fear for you know, AI's impact here. 0:32:13.040 --> 0:32:16.040 One of the things that seems to super suck to me, 0:32:16.760 --> 0:32:18.800 not to put too fine a point on it, is 0:32:19.320 --> 0:32:23.080 the fake AI art. Now, one of the things that 0:32:23.160 --> 0:32:26.160 I've been told again and again is that AI is 0:32:26.200 --> 0:32:28.800 getting better and better and better. So even though right 0:32:28.840 --> 0:32:31.360 now it's kind of you can still tell what's written 0:32:31.360 --> 0:32:34.400 by AI and what's written by people, you can still 0:32:34.480 --> 0:32:37.680 see that AI art looks a little weird, right there's 0:32:37.720 --> 0:32:42.560 still little bits of reality. Even like the AI videos 0:32:42.560 --> 0:32:45.280 that I've seen, you can sort of tell it's fake. 0:32:45.600 --> 0:32:48.640 I've been promised that everyone's getting smarter and smarter and smarter, 0:32:49.120 --> 0:32:50.880 and that AI is just going to keep going and 0:32:50.880 --> 0:32:52.560 that we're just going to be fucked. But is that 0:32:52.640 --> 0:32:55.160 really true or is that sort of like the blockchain? 0:32:55.560 --> 0:32:58.720 Well, that's you know, the six million dollar question is 0:32:58.800 --> 0:33:01.600 whether or not they can figure out what's called scaling, 0:33:02.120 --> 0:33:06.400 because scaling, you know, training more basically open AI, which 0:33:06.520 --> 0:33:09.360 has led this AI boom, its key insight, can really 0:33:09.400 --> 0:33:11.640 just be boiled down to that. Like they figured out 0:33:11.720 --> 0:33:15.160 that if you scale up the models, feed it more data, 0:33:15.200 --> 0:33:18.640 feed it more compute, feed it more energy, then it'll 0:33:19.000 --> 0:33:23.200 improve the quality of the results, and that has in 0:33:23.280 --> 0:33:25.840 recent months, I kind of hit a wall where like 0:33:25.880 --> 0:33:28.240 some things are getting better, other things are getting worse. 0:33:28.680 --> 0:33:30.200 Reliability is getting worse. 0:33:30.320 --> 0:33:32.560 What's so called hallucinations where it just makes stuff up 0:33:32.640 --> 0:33:35.680 is getting wrong. So there's it's that's not to say 0:33:35.680 --> 0:33:38.200 that they won't figure these things out, but there may 0:33:38.240 --> 0:33:43.160 be sort of a limit to you know, what is 0:33:43.200 --> 0:33:46.080 possible and what we can expect. Certainly, I think the 0:33:46.360 --> 0:33:50.200 quality won't be exponential as the as Silicon Valley it 0:33:50.360 --> 0:33:51.120 likes to sell us. 0:33:51.360 --> 0:33:53.520 Yes, yeah, right, but I would also. 0:33:53.400 --> 0:33:55.400 Just say, like look at what they're I mean, ultimately, 0:33:55.800 --> 0:33:57.760 what they're trying to do is like make it so 0:33:57.840 --> 0:34:00.480 that like you can have that picture of like a 0:34:00.720 --> 0:34:05.000 Disney you know, animated film quality still and just sort 0:34:05.040 --> 0:34:07.840 of poured it over, or you can like famously studio 0:34:07.920 --> 0:34:10.400 ghibli style art and then it can do like a 0:34:10.440 --> 0:34:13.319 service of serviceable enough job. And I think you can 0:34:13.320 --> 0:34:16.600 see like the intent here, which is ultimately like why 0:34:16.719 --> 0:34:18.479 why do we want this stuff to be so good? 0:34:18.840 --> 0:34:21.080 It's like, well, so we don't have to pay animators 0:34:21.120 --> 0:34:23.480 anymore and we can just produce this stuff in our 0:34:23.520 --> 0:34:26.360 own backyards and sort of cut the you know, the 0:34:26.440 --> 0:34:28.879 human artistry element out of the picture, so we can 0:34:29.200 --> 0:34:32.600 save some bucks. That seems to be especially with this 0:34:32.719 --> 0:34:36.680 video generation, especially with the image generation. Like what else 0:34:37.200 --> 0:34:42.280 besides that intent, besides automating human creativity and human work? 0:34:42.320 --> 0:34:44.040 Like why why do we even want to do this 0:34:44.160 --> 0:34:46.600 in the first place, other than to do that or 0:34:46.680 --> 0:34:49.480 to end to make an ad for the capabilities of 0:34:49.560 --> 0:34:52.919 these AI companies so that investors will come and keep 0:34:53.239 --> 0:34:55.680 from feeding money into into the machine. 0:34:55.800 --> 0:34:57.760 So I want to talk to you about this super 0:34:57.800 --> 0:35:02.160 interesting GOP campaign to I love that nobody in Congress 0:35:02.440 --> 0:35:05.919 left or the right has any interest in passing any regulations, right, 0:35:06.000 --> 0:35:08.399 the one thing that they could fucking do to help 0:35:08.480 --> 0:35:11.880 the rest of us. No interest. Okay, God forbid, we 0:35:12.000 --> 0:35:14.320 tell you guys what to do. Don't want to regulate, 0:35:14.400 --> 0:35:18.560 but they do want to prevent other people from regulating. 0:35:19.000 --> 0:35:21.400 So talk us through this. When I saw this, I 0:35:21.520 --> 0:35:24.200 was like, if we all survive this, it will be 0:35:24.200 --> 0:35:28.400 because these people are fucking moron. But so this is 0:35:28.440 --> 0:35:30.799 an idea here that this is a proposal to ban 0:35:31.040 --> 0:35:35.560 AI lawmaking in the reconciliation. How you put that in reconciliation? 0:35:36.040 --> 0:35:39.880 I don't fucking know. You can't cover dental care and insurance, 0:35:39.960 --> 0:35:43.560 but you can put you're not allowed to regulate AI 0:35:43.719 --> 0:35:48.480 in a reconciliation built spoiler, maybe the parliamentarian now just 0:35:48.520 --> 0:35:52.200 as crack and doesn't do any other stuff, so maybe 0:35:52.280 --> 0:35:54.960 she's good with this, but talk to us about this. 0:35:55.040 --> 0:35:57.239 So you're gonna prevent regulation. 0:35:57.200 --> 0:36:00.000 Like wild, wild stuff, Like I mean, I'm old enough 0:36:00.080 --> 0:36:03.440 to remember last year when GOP was like the Party 0:36:03.440 --> 0:36:06.759 of States Rights when the issue was abortion. It's like, oh, 0:36:06.880 --> 0:36:09.839 let's let the states decide because states rights, states rights. 0:36:10.040 --> 0:36:12.799 When it comes to AI, though, like it's just like 0:36:13.160 --> 0:36:17.160 this innovation is just too precious to be regulated. So 0:36:17.239 --> 0:36:20.440 we're going to pass this bill sort of an amendment 0:36:20.560 --> 0:36:24.960 nestled into reconciliation, which is it. I've never seen anything 0:36:25.000 --> 0:36:27.800 like this before, like this is it's it's totally totally 0:36:27.840 --> 0:36:31.200 wild and you're going to love like the justification that 0:36:31.239 --> 0:36:34.600 they give because I called up Energy and Commerce and 0:36:34.680 --> 0:36:37.319 I talked to them about it and amazing and they 0:36:37.360 --> 0:36:40.359 told me how they're planning on justifying this. So yeah, 0:36:40.360 --> 0:36:44.359 So basically, it's this ban on any state's ability to 0:36:44.520 --> 0:36:48.520 enact or enforce laws about AI. That's like you just can't. 0:36:48.760 --> 0:36:51.320 They're saying you can't do it, Like, is it constitutional? 0:36:51.360 --> 0:36:53.560 How are they going to enforce this ban? These are 0:36:53.600 --> 0:36:57.359 great questions, but it's clearly aimed at a few places, right, 0:36:57.480 --> 0:37:01.000 like California being the big economy that it is and 0:37:01.080 --> 0:37:05.160 having passed influential statewide legislation that has then had like 0:37:05.239 --> 0:37:08.400 a knock on effect that everybody that you know, for 0:37:08.480 --> 0:37:12.719 good examples automakers, right, they passed like exhaust standards, and 0:37:12.719 --> 0:37:15.319 then suddenly all the automakers had to just decided to 0:37:15.320 --> 0:37:17.719 make them for the whole state. So Jill p Yeah, 0:37:17.920 --> 0:37:19.799 they don't like this, they don't like that California has 0:37:19.800 --> 0:37:22.120 this power. So it's pretty chiefly aimed I think at 0:37:22.120 --> 0:37:25.000 California and whether or not it might because it's threatening 0:37:25.000 --> 0:37:28.560 to pass a bunch of pretty like pretty common sense 0:37:28.600 --> 0:37:32.080 AI stuff. There's nothing even that's even that crazy. I 0:37:32.160 --> 0:37:35.360 talked to that allowed, yes, con. 0:37:35.440 --> 0:37:37.719 But not allowed at all. Yeah, I talked to one 0:37:37.760 --> 0:37:38.840 of the bill co authors. 0:37:39.000 --> 0:37:41.680 It's stuff like, if your employer is going to use 0:37:41.719 --> 0:37:44.040 AI to like hire or fire you, they have to 0:37:44.120 --> 0:37:46.799 let you know they can't use Yeah, well they have 0:37:46.840 --> 0:37:49.200 to tell you, like right, that's beyond the pale, like 0:37:49.400 --> 0:37:52.680 very common sense stuff. But anyways, the AI industry, Open AI, 0:37:53.080 --> 0:37:56.680 Meta IBM even they've been lobbying full force against this, 0:37:56.760 --> 0:37:59.200 and they've got Trump's an ear because there's so many 0:37:59.480 --> 0:38:01.799 you know, tech folks. 0:38:01.560 --> 0:38:03.440 And they got the money, and they got tech folks 0:38:03.440 --> 0:38:04.520 in the in the White House. 0:38:04.560 --> 0:38:08.080 They had they got Mark Andriesen and David Sachs and 0:38:08.120 --> 0:38:08.640 all these guys. 0:38:08.840 --> 0:38:12.560 Those guys seem great. They seem very yeah. 0:38:11.960 --> 0:38:14.080 Real, real, real shining stars, real wonderful. 0:38:14.120 --> 0:38:14.279 Man. 0:38:14.719 --> 0:38:17.200 The GP slides this in and they're going to say 0:38:17.239 --> 0:38:19.759 we're gonna stop California from being able to do this 0:38:19.840 --> 0:38:25.120 before they even succeed or try. And their justification is, well, 0:38:25.800 --> 0:38:28.840 we are going to start using AI tools to modernize 0:38:28.880 --> 0:38:31.120 like the Department of Commerce, and we're gonna have a 0:38:31.160 --> 0:38:34.160 chatbot in like the GSA and C and the you know, 0:38:34.200 --> 0:38:37.680 Government Services Administration. And if we have these AI tools 0:38:37.719 --> 0:38:39.600 there and we're like you know, buying them from an 0:38:39.640 --> 0:38:44.280 AI company and California regulates it, that might make AI 0:38:44.360 --> 0:38:48.239 more expensive and therefore it's a budget issue that we 0:38:48.280 --> 0:38:52.960 can put into reconciliation. That's their justification that regulation might 0:38:53.000 --> 0:38:58.439 make AI more expensive, and that then they that they could, 0:38:58.440 --> 0:39:00.560 they would have to the government would would have to 0:39:00.600 --> 0:39:03.520 bear those costs, and therefore they have to ban the state's. 0:39:03.280 --> 0:39:08.399 Ability to regulate it whatever. I know, they're just making 0:39:08.680 --> 0:39:09.800 up at this point, right. 0:39:09.719 --> 0:39:12.239 I mean, at this point one of the things that 0:39:12.280 --> 0:39:15.640 I've really been impressed with in this administration is just 0:39:15.960 --> 0:39:20.600 ability to completely lie about almost everything, with making Trump 0:39:20.640 --> 0:39:26.600 one point zero really look like salad days of moral confidence. 0:39:27.040 --> 0:39:29.440 It's really wild like that. They and yeah, they're just 0:39:29.480 --> 0:39:31.600 making shit up to justify it. It does not matter 0:39:31.760 --> 0:39:33.799 like it does. He could have said anything, even though 0:39:33.960 --> 0:39:36.319 they still have something. I guess they just can't tell 0:39:36.320 --> 0:39:38.920 a reporter were just going to do it. We want to, 0:39:39.560 --> 0:39:40.000 we want to. 0:39:40.280 --> 0:39:42.120 That would be a refreshing, right, Yeah. 0:39:42.160 --> 0:39:47.560 So what about the like doomsday scenario AI. We've seen 0:39:47.600 --> 0:39:53.000 this before in movies, right, automates whatever ends up in 0:39:53.040 --> 0:39:56.120 a sort of cold war situation, I mean wargames. Right, 0:39:56.120 --> 0:39:58.799 We've seen this in the eighties, the idea that AI 0:39:58.880 --> 0:40:01.959 would would create nuclear holocaust, Like, what are the adds 0:40:02.000 --> 0:40:06.200 to that? Fifty to fifty forty nine fifty one, I mean, 0:40:06.360 --> 0:40:07.200 tell me what you think. 0:40:07.600 --> 0:40:11.120 So everybody thinks about skynet, right, but I think the 0:40:11.200 --> 0:40:14.680 reality you know, skinett is where like the computers decide. 0:40:14.560 --> 0:40:16.600 To explain that desk because I have no idea what 0:40:16.640 --> 0:40:16.920 that is. 0:40:17.120 --> 0:40:17.319 Yeah. 0:40:17.360 --> 0:40:21.360 Yeah, So Skynet is the villain of the Terminator movies. Yeah, okay, 0:40:21.520 --> 0:40:26.239 we're an AI that has been integrated into the the 0:40:26.280 --> 0:40:29.920 you know, the military, the Department of Defense, becomes self 0:40:29.920 --> 0:40:33.759 aware and then it decides that humans are you know, 0:40:33.800 --> 0:40:36.719 they're trying to shut it down because it becomes too powerful. 0:40:36.920 --> 0:40:39.319 It decides humans are a threat, and then you know, 0:40:39.520 --> 0:40:42.680 the Terminator franchise takes place where the machines try to 0:40:42.719 --> 0:40:46.279 exterminate humanity because it's a threat to AI obviously. And 0:40:46.320 --> 0:40:48.160 that's a lot of like sort of the worst case 0:40:48.160 --> 0:40:51.680 scenarios that are sort of pedled, I think quite usefully 0:40:51.800 --> 0:40:55.600 by the Silicon Valley companies, Like they have an interest 0:40:55.680 --> 0:40:58.919 in us being afraid of this all powerful technology of 0:40:59.040 --> 0:41:01.520 you know, these doomsday scenarios, because then it kind of 0:41:01.640 --> 0:41:05.280 just suggests, right that like their technology is that powerful, 0:41:05.320 --> 0:41:08.759 it has that capacity, and it may not be an 0:41:08.760 --> 0:41:12.880 alluring prospect to have humanity you go down in flames, 0:41:13.400 --> 0:41:15.440 but if the software is that powerful that it can 0:41:15.440 --> 0:41:18.720 certainly like you know, replace Joe at his corner office, 0:41:18.719 --> 0:41:21.120 and they can sell you some enterprise software for a 0:41:21.120 --> 0:41:23.800 profit in the meantime. So they've had like an interest 0:41:23.800 --> 0:41:26.399 in selling this sort of doomsday scenario. But I think 0:41:26.400 --> 0:41:30.600 the real issue is just as scary, and that's that 0:41:30.960 --> 0:41:34.200 it starts getting everybody to sort of outsource their thinking 0:41:34.440 --> 0:41:38.600 to AI, or to feel comfortable just letting AI do 0:41:38.760 --> 0:41:42.680 it and not checking it. And increasingly we are having 0:41:42.680 --> 0:41:46.040 these automated systems that aren't so sophisticated they're going to 0:41:46.120 --> 0:41:48.920 methodically wipe us all out, but that are so clumsy 0:41:49.000 --> 0:41:52.520 that they allow for grave errors. I think like that 0:41:52.719 --> 0:41:56.200 extends to geopolitics, right as we're. 0:41:56.000 --> 0:41:58.719 In we're going to die, so we we may die. 0:41:58.840 --> 0:42:01.759 And you know, one of the things that was going 0:42:01.800 --> 0:42:04.840 on in Israel Gaza was that they were using an 0:42:04.880 --> 0:42:08.360 AI system for like targeting, and they were outsourcing their thinking. 0:42:08.520 --> 0:42:10.840 People were just hitting the button because the AI system 0:42:10.920 --> 0:42:14.480 isn't that sophisticated enough to like really pick the right 0:42:14.520 --> 0:42:17.400 target through it. But it creates that bureaucratic sort of 0:42:17.719 --> 0:42:20.839 buffer zone where people can just feel like, oh, well, 0:42:20.880 --> 0:42:22.919 it's not my problem, it's the AI. And they're hitting 0:42:22.920 --> 0:42:26.000 the button and selecting a new target. And now we 0:42:26.080 --> 0:42:28.960 have all these talks about open ayes, we'll talking to 0:42:29.000 --> 0:42:32.719 the Pentagon and Palenteer, which does AI is taking on 0:42:32.960 --> 0:42:36.520 a larger role with all this targeting software, and I 0:42:36.560 --> 0:42:39.960 think we can expect it's called scientists and researchers called 0:42:39.960 --> 0:42:43.880 this cognitive offloading. So more people are just cognitively offloading 0:42:43.920 --> 0:42:46.799 their tasks and their work to AI systems. And I 0:42:46.840 --> 0:42:50.279 think the result could be a disaster. Yeah, absolutely, Well 0:42:50.320 --> 0:42:50.799 that's good. 0:42:52.840 --> 0:42:56.280 Result could be a disaster, nuclear holocaust, Jesse. 0:42:56.440 --> 0:43:00.239 Any thoughts, so, Brian, I'm particularly obsessed with this not 0:43:00.360 --> 0:43:02.640 hiring young people out of college and what this could 0:43:02.680 --> 0:43:03.560 do that you've wrote about. 0:43:03.600 --> 0:43:05.720 Could you talk a little bit about that. Yeah. 0:43:05.760 --> 0:43:09.759 So there's an interesting figure that's began to surface in 0:43:09.840 --> 0:43:13.400 the economic data, where you know, typically one of the 0:43:13.440 --> 0:43:17.760 most hirable sort of demographics is recent college grads. 0:43:17.840 --> 0:43:18.000 Right. 0:43:18.320 --> 0:43:22.560 They're young, educated, willing to work for less money, and 0:43:22.600 --> 0:43:23.440 they're ambitious. 0:43:23.560 --> 0:43:23.719 Right. 0:43:23.800 --> 0:43:25.640 Usually it's like kind of a no brainer for companies 0:43:25.680 --> 0:43:29.240 to hire these folks. And in recent years that number 0:43:29.680 --> 0:43:32.960 has started to do the number of unemployed recent college 0:43:32.960 --> 0:43:36.200 grads has gone up, and there are a number of 0:43:36.239 --> 0:43:38.560 different theories behind why that may be, but a big 0:43:38.600 --> 0:43:42.040 one is is that more and more companies might just 0:43:42.080 --> 0:43:46.480 be filling those roles with AI or a combination of 0:43:46.520 --> 0:43:52.640 AI and like part time like algorithmically curated gigwork, where 0:43:52.680 --> 0:43:54.200 so instead of like, hey, we don't actually need to 0:43:54.280 --> 0:43:57.080 hire a new salaried person and give them healthcare, they 0:43:57.080 --> 0:43:59.600 were just going to be sort of like writing our 0:43:59.640 --> 0:44:02.360 sort of like our website copy and kind of learning 0:44:02.360 --> 0:44:04.440 the ropes anyways. And now we can have AI just 0:44:04.520 --> 0:44:07.440 like write the website copy or do any number of tasks. 0:44:07.719 --> 0:44:10.440 And so the fear is that like that very important 0:44:10.480 --> 0:44:13.120 sort of ladder you know that I alluded to earlier 0:44:13.520 --> 0:44:16.279 is getting sort of knocked away. And you know, these 0:44:16.400 --> 0:44:19.560 entry level jobs are are getting harder to get and 0:44:19.600 --> 0:44:22.360 taken over by AI because they're also the ones that 0:44:22.400 --> 0:44:26.080 are the less complex and easier to perform by by 0:44:26.160 --> 0:44:27.080 an AI system. 0:44:27.440 --> 0:44:31.280 Yeah, we saw a report this weekend that Amazon coders 0:44:31.320 --> 0:44:34.160 are saying they're being treated like the warehouse workers now, 0:44:34.320 --> 0:44:36.560 and I thought that was particularly telling. 0:44:36.880 --> 0:44:39.360 Absolutely, I mean coding, most of the sort of the 0:44:39.440 --> 0:44:42.120 most vocal sort of opposition tends to come from people 0:44:42.200 --> 0:44:45.239 in creative communities. We have all of these lawsuits from 0:44:45.400 --> 0:44:47.920 artists and authors and people who are standing up and 0:44:48.120 --> 0:44:50.880 you know, the screenwriters and the WGA and the Screen 0:44:50.920 --> 0:44:54.960 Actors Guild that like really fought against companies using AI 0:44:55.160 --> 0:44:56.600 in their last strike. 0:44:56.719 --> 0:44:58.359 But it's starting. 0:44:58.040 --> 0:45:01.360 To hit you know, the software and engineering community really 0:45:01.400 --> 0:45:04.520 hard too. And so far, what I'm hearing from a 0:45:04.520 --> 0:45:08.280 lot of folks is less that it's you know, erasing 0:45:08.320 --> 0:45:11.319 my job, but it's making it suck. Right Like now 0:45:11.400 --> 0:45:14.920 my job is to just produce even more check AI 0:45:15.000 --> 0:45:18.560 generated code. The creativity that went into writing a new 0:45:18.600 --> 0:45:21.480 program has largely been taken away because we're being told 0:45:21.480 --> 0:45:24.000 to sort of churn more stuff out. And so yeah, 0:45:24.040 --> 0:45:27.080 when I saw that Amazon report from workers there who 0:45:27.120 --> 0:45:29.040 are saying that it's you know, they're being turned into 0:45:29.239 --> 0:45:31.920 sort of assembly line workers or feeling like factory workers, 0:45:32.040 --> 0:45:34.080 I could not have been less surprised. This is what 0:45:34.160 --> 0:45:36.600 I talked to a lot of workers affected by AI. 0:45:36.840 --> 0:45:38.480 It's just what, you know, what I did. I put 0:45:38.480 --> 0:45:41.239 out a call, you know, that's my ongoing project is 0:45:41.280 --> 0:45:44.839 called AI Killed My Job. And so I'm I'm I'm 0:45:44.840 --> 0:45:48.799 soliciting testimonies from workers and talk and interviewing workers who've 0:45:48.800 --> 0:45:51.759 had AI come into their workplace, and yeah, I'm hearing 0:45:51.760 --> 0:45:55.480 from a lot of coders and tech workers who say that, 0:45:56.320 --> 0:45:58.480 you know, it has an eraser job out right, but 0:45:58.560 --> 0:46:01.960 it's it's made it a miserable experience, and I think 0:46:02.360 --> 0:46:04.800 that is going to be increasingly universal. I also just 0:46:04.880 --> 0:46:09.920 talk to therapists, therapists who they're being told to integrate 0:46:09.960 --> 0:46:14.200 AI into their work process, and certain steps of the 0:46:14.400 --> 0:46:16.800 of the process if you work for a company like Kaiser, 0:46:17.040 --> 0:46:20.960 are being handed over to AIS in some pretty scary ways, 0:46:21.239 --> 0:46:23.399 like when you call in if you have a mental 0:46:23.480 --> 0:46:28.200 health issue, and now you get an algorithmically dictated system 0:46:28.320 --> 0:46:30.440 that is supposed to weed out whether or not you 0:46:30.520 --> 0:46:32.279 need to talk to a real therapist. So if you're 0:46:32.280 --> 0:46:35.600 in real trouble, then the system is supposed to flag you. 0:46:35.680 --> 0:46:38.239 But the system's wrong a lot. And this is just 0:46:38.280 --> 0:46:39.960 to cut out a job that used to be a 0:46:40.000 --> 0:46:43.320 trained therapist job to you know, say, okay, I understand 0:46:43.360 --> 0:46:46.120 that you're in severe danger to yourself and others. 0:46:46.280 --> 0:46:47.760 I'm going to put you through to a therapist. 0:46:47.920 --> 0:46:51.840 Now we're entrusting that job to an algorithm because Kaiser 0:46:51.920 --> 0:46:54.240 wanted to save some bucks and so This is happening 0:46:54.360 --> 0:46:59.120 in jobs and professions, you know, everywhere where, like illustrators 0:46:59.120 --> 0:47:01.560 and artists and things are like actually, you know, getting 0:47:01.560 --> 0:47:04.080 their work replaced and wiped out everywhere else. It's like 0:47:04.239 --> 0:47:06.880 this degradation and this thing that we really have to 0:47:06.920 --> 0:47:07.359 deal with. 0:47:07.600 --> 0:47:09.399 Thank you, Brian, Thanks so much. 0:47:09.440 --> 0:47:16.880 Molly, No moment of Andrew le Molly john. 0:47:16.760 --> 0:47:18.960 Fest What is your moment of fuck ray? 0:47:19.480 --> 0:47:22.799 First of all, this segment has a familiar ring. I'm 0:47:22.800 --> 0:47:26.920 not sure why, but it reminds me of another segment 0:47:26.960 --> 0:47:27.600 for some reason. 0:47:27.680 --> 0:47:28.319 It'll come to me. 0:47:28.760 --> 0:47:34.560 Yeah, yeah, My moment of fuckery is Trump saying that 0:47:34.920 --> 0:47:37.239 I guess see and Christy know them together, saying they're 0:47:37.280 --> 0:47:41.760 gonna phase out FEMA after the twenty twenty five hurricane season. 0:47:45.560 --> 0:47:48.520 They sit there and they say things. Christino sits there 0:47:48.520 --> 0:47:50.440 and says things like we all know from the past 0:47:50.440 --> 0:47:53.400 that FEMA has failed thousands, if not millions of people, 0:47:53.520 --> 0:47:56.000 and President Trump does not want to see that continue 0:47:56.040 --> 0:47:58.920 into the future. First of all, that's not true. Second 0:47:58.920 --> 0:48:01.000 of all, if FEMA's that, man, why are you waiting 0:48:01.040 --> 0:48:03.960 to laughter the hurricane season like it today? You know, 0:48:04.040 --> 0:48:06.600 if you've got a better idea, you know, this whole 0:48:06.640 --> 0:48:08.880 idea of sending it back to the states, when the 0:48:08.920 --> 0:48:11.399 whole idea is the states are the ones who ask 0:48:11.480 --> 0:48:13.680 the federal government for help when they need it when 0:48:13.680 --> 0:48:15.920 they can't do it on their own. But we're in 0:48:16.000 --> 0:48:19.920 sort of this post federalist world where the federal government 0:48:20.000 --> 0:48:23.879 can nationalize the National Guard on a whim, and then 0:48:23.880 --> 0:48:27.080 at the same time, you know, they can take away 0:48:27.120 --> 0:48:30.920 state resources by getting rid of FEMA. The whole thing 0:48:31.040 --> 0:48:32.279 is just beyond fucked up. 0:48:32.680 --> 0:48:36.359 Yes, Christinome's the one who shot her dog, right, I'm 0:48:36.360 --> 0:48:38.680 not sure I want to be taking advice from that person. 0:48:39.120 --> 0:48:41.680 I feel like her takes may be suspect from the 0:48:41.680 --> 0:48:45.480 fact that she decided that the scene where she shoots 0:48:45.560 --> 0:48:49.759 her puppy and buries it in a gravel pit was 0:48:49.920 --> 0:48:51.880 a good thing to put in her memoir. 0:48:52.280 --> 0:48:55.560 Yeah. On the other hand, she's now the director of 0:48:55.800 --> 0:48:57.000 Homeland Security. 0:48:57.280 --> 0:49:01.160 I don't know, she's something. Maybe she's the Secretary of State. 0:49:01.440 --> 0:49:04.000 She wrote that memoir and then got a promotion. 0:49:04.520 --> 0:49:06.839 Yeah wow. I don't know if working in the Trump 0:49:06.880 --> 0:49:09.120 administration is really a promotion for her. 0:49:09.239 --> 0:49:11.600 She thinks it's a promotion anyway, I mean, and she 0:49:11.640 --> 0:49:14.960 certainly has more power now. So it's like, I'm just 0:49:15.000 --> 0:49:17.799 I'm looking at these quotes. The FEMA thing has not 0:49:18.000 --> 0:49:21.480 been a very successful experiment, and he says, that's what 0:49:21.520 --> 0:49:23.520 you have governors for. When you have a tornado or 0:49:23.560 --> 0:49:25.680 a hurricane. They're supposed to fix those problems. 0:49:25.920 --> 0:49:29.440 Yeah, FEMA hasn't prevented any hurricanes. 0:49:29.880 --> 0:49:31.000 It's true. 0:49:31.640 --> 0:49:33.879 It has not prevented a single hurricane. 0:49:34.000 --> 0:49:36.320 That's because the Jews are more powerful than FEMA. 0:49:36.400 --> 0:49:39.560 Look, man, you said it. I didn't. I'm just agreeing, 0:49:39.719 --> 0:49:42.120 but you know it. I certainly don't control the weather. 0:49:42.400 --> 0:49:45.120 I'm just books don't just appear on the New York 0:49:45.120 --> 0:49:46.200 Times bestseller list. 0:49:46.280 --> 0:49:50.360 Molley, that's right, we use the weather machine. Thank you, 0:49:50.560 --> 0:49:52.279 Andy Levy, Will you come back? 0:49:52.680 --> 0:49:52.839 No? 0:49:53.000 --> 0:49:58.520 Excellent. That's it for this episode of Fast Politics. 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