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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to Stephane.

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Speaker 1: Never told your protection of I Heart Radio. For today's

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Speaker 1: a feminist Movie Friday. We're talking about the twenty seventeen

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Speaker 1: drama comedy crime film which is a fun um Dedra

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Speaker 1: and Laney Robert Train directed by Sydney Freeland, who is

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Speaker 1: a trans and Navajo director, and written by Shelby Farrell.

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Speaker 1: It stars Ashley Murray as Did Tanner, Daniel Nicolay as

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Speaker 1: Freeland was born on a Navajo reservation in New Mexico

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Speaker 1: to a Navajo father and Scottish mother. And if you

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Speaker 1: haven't seen it yet, you can watch it on Netflix.

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Speaker 1: It's really fun. I really enjoyed the music and the visuals.

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Speaker 1: We were talking about that before Santa, that we both

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Speaker 1: really enjoyed it. Yeah, So watching it, I was like,

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Speaker 1: I get a little wary coming into teen dramas, especially

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Speaker 1: when I know, oh no, they're already set up to fail,

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Speaker 1: essentially like the family, the background, what's happening, And I'm like,

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Speaker 1: I don't like these stories. They made me feel phils

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Speaker 1: And as I've told you recently, for some reason, I'm

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Speaker 1: really sensitive, but everything right now. But it was so good,

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Speaker 1: it was so like uplifting. Just go ahead and put

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Speaker 1: this in. We do not condone crying of any soul.

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Speaker 1: We're not saying that you know, this should have happened

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Speaker 1: or whatnot, and that it was right or wrong. Just

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Speaker 1: you know, we enjoyed it for what it was we did.

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Speaker 1: I love that. Like you're imagining the headline the next day,

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Speaker 1: it is going to be smimty condoned. I'm just saying

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Speaker 1: there's too much of that past background and juvenile court

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Speaker 1: But I get it, but but don't do it. I thought,

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Speaker 1: I'm interested to hear your thoughts because there are some

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Speaker 1: things I was like, if that's Samantha has some some

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Speaker 1: few points on this, um, I will say, And I'm

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Speaker 1: curious about this as well. Um, it did not make

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Speaker 1: me miss high school at all, Like, not at all, right,

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Speaker 1: I do. I think it's really interesting. I love she

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Speaker 1: shares Amida, who has her own podcast and it is

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Speaker 1: a comic icon as well. And she was in another

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Speaker 1: recent show that I was like, she is so perfect

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Speaker 1: there's always hopefully. I'm really this is my hope is

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Speaker 1: that there's hopefully there's one who really seeks to help

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Speaker 1: the students out. And she's jaded and she was like,

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Speaker 1: I don't claim this whatever, But at the same time,

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Speaker 1: as the the woman who helps Laney and I we're

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Speaker 1: talking about it, but who helps Laney in the pageant?

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Speaker 1: I was like, huh, she's not the bad white woman

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Speaker 1: character you're I was anticipating. But yeah, I did find

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Speaker 1: that interesting. But I thought it was so kind. The

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Speaker 1: movie was a very kind conversation about that. But yes,

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Speaker 1: high school in itself like oh yeah, because they're jerks,

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Speaker 1: Like that's kids are mean. High school is just a

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Speaker 1: like rough, stressful, dramatic time. There's all these choices that

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Speaker 1: young and don't know what you want right right. I

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Speaker 1: I was like, Wow, I really didn't. I don't miss this, right.

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Speaker 1: I think there's a lot to be said. Again, I

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Speaker 1: want to talk about it. This is a lead up,

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Speaker 1: So if you want to watch this before we start,

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Speaker 1: uh into our plot. You should go watch it because

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Speaker 1: obviously we're gonna spoil the hell out of it, but

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Speaker 1: guess you have to have the bad friendships so for

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Speaker 1: the sister friendship, which is a whole different level. Yes,

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Speaker 1: and that's that's something we'll be talking about obviously perhaps um.

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Speaker 1: But before we do that, we did want to go

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Speaker 1: over the plot. So the movie centers on the Tanners,

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Speaker 1: who are a multiracial family. You've got the mother, Marigold,

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Speaker 1: And then the children Dear Laney and Jet, and after

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Speaker 1: their mother is taken to jail, Deirdre and Laney decide

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Speaker 1: to almostly Deirdre, who convinces Laney Um decide to rob

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Speaker 1: mother out of jail. Right. So, Dedra is a smart

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Speaker 1: the environment, but compared to what it was, hey, um So,

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Speaker 1: come for her. Here we go, Yes, here we go.

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Speaker 1: So Deeja convinces Laney to help her in this venture

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Speaker 1: going to redeem itself? No? Okay. So Laney gets in

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Speaker 1: Essentially though it was this whole thing. I love this

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Speaker 1: now Detra's counselor is someone involved? Um? And then of

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Speaker 1: able to not have to you know, go through a

426
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:26,040
Speaker 1: moment of like complete breakdown when I'm eating a certain

427
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:27,960
Speaker 1: type of foodbare like, oh my god, I remember this

428
00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:30,800
Speaker 1: from my past. That was not a good moment. It

429
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:32,359
Speaker 1: would be great if I didn't have to experience that.

430
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:36,040
Speaker 1: But I think she has a great making sure to

431
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:38,159
Speaker 1: keep it lighthearted. And I think that again, this is

432
00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 1: considered a teen movie. Didn't realize this, uh, But because

433
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:46,200
Speaker 1: of that, she wanted to tackle enough but not overwhelmed

434
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:49,159
Speaker 1: where it's causing more trauma, which is what happens with

435
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:53,440
Speaker 1: a lot of these movies in general. And again, when

436
00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 1: we talk about inappropriate laughter and when we say inappropriate

437
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:58,399
Speaker 1: meaning you find this inappropriate, but for us, this is

438
00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:00,640
Speaker 1: how we cope, I think this is kind along those

439
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:04,959
Speaker 1: same lines in that field. Yeah. And also we did

440
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:08,240
Speaker 1: pick out this movie because of his Native American Heritage Month,

441
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 1: and this is one of the top rated films and

442
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:13,160
Speaker 1: I see why, and I love it, and I'm really

443
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 1: sad that it took me to go down this list

444
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 1: during this month to actually see this movie. Yes. Yes,

445
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:23,879
Speaker 1: And one of the things that's really important about this

446
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 1: movie is that it was because so often indigenous stories

447
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:31,000
Speaker 1: are told by people who are not Indigenous, but this

448
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:34,879
Speaker 1: was an Indigenous person who was directing it and a

449
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:38,040
Speaker 1: transperson who was directing it. Then you could just feel that.

450
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:42,520
Speaker 1: And I thought throughout all of it, and I did.

451
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:45,359
Speaker 1: We'll talk about that a little bit more in a second.

452
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:48,920
Speaker 1: I did want to talk about the family aspects and

453
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:53,320
Speaker 1: the sisterhood aspect, but first we did mention earlier pornification,

454
00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:55,760
Speaker 1: and that's an episode we've done in the past, um

455
00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 1: that a lot of people. It resonated with a lot

456
00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:00,680
Speaker 1: of people, and that was something And I was watching

457
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 1: this always like yes, do you dress so like having

458
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 1: to play this role of taking care of your younger

459
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:11,440
Speaker 1: siblings and having to take on these responsibilities on top

460
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 1: of like trying to get to college and on top

461
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:18,119
Speaker 1: of like making money to college, all of this stuff,

462
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:20,920
Speaker 1: and it just made me think of like this whole

463
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 1: idea of the hustle and how girls and women are

464
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:30,680
Speaker 1: really being expected to do it all. Like no one's asking, right,

465
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:33,400
Speaker 1: are you? Like is this too much? Is it? We're

466
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:37,200
Speaker 1: just being expected? Like that's the level is you better

467
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:42,320
Speaker 1: handle your own stuff and if you can't, that's on you, right,

468
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,359
Speaker 1: Like what we see is the very like small slim

469
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:47,440
Speaker 1: bit of the mother where she's just working and you

470
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:50,400
Speaker 1: don't know what's happening to where we realize what she's

471
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 1: done trying to do for the family. Um. And then

472
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:55,200
Speaker 1: we come to the father who literally has not paid

473
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:59,359
Speaker 1: any child supports but hands over thirteen dollars. Yeah, but

474
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,520
Speaker 1: we all so see that he leaves toys on the

475
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,200
Speaker 1: train track for his son like it's it's very cute

476
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:07,920
Speaker 1: the way he does it. Again, that does not absolve

477
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 1: him from what he is uh done in the past

478
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 1: and continues to do uh for the to the kids essentially.

479
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 1: But yeah, and we do see that breakdown as the

480
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,880
Speaker 1: oldest sibling taking care of her her family, taking care

481
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 1: of her siblings, trying to find her own way in life,

482
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 1: really trying to come out of something that's that she

483
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 1: wants the more in that conversation, and then having the

484
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 1: breakdown of being an eighteen year old and figuring out

485
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,119
Speaker 1: how to get out of a thing that she doesn't like,

486
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 1: but also being loyal to her family, so that divide

487
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 1: with her like taking the money and trying to make

488
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:44,879
Speaker 1: more money and then getting caught up in making that

489
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,879
Speaker 1: money is this whole big thing, and it is that

490
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 1: that is the complication, and that is part of that

491
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:54,119
Speaker 1: conversation we had about promnification, feeling guilty when you're older

492
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 1: because you are trying to take care of yourself and

493
00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:00,040
Speaker 1: that is so unnatural. So that conflict and we do

494
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 1: get to see that, especially when it comes down to it.

495
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 1: And I think they did a smart job in making

496
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 1: this like two older sisters, because the whole complex, and

497
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 1: she would even more complex to have an older brother

498
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 1: and an older sister, because that complicated of who's going

499
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:17,400
Speaker 1: to be the caretaker is often laid on the girl

500
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 1: no matter what typically, and especially when it comes to healthcare, childcare,

501
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:26,639
Speaker 1: all of that. Yeah. Yeah, And I mean when I

502
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 1: was watching it, I just kept thinking, like, you're so smart,

503
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 1: She's so smart that she's bored. She made I was like, daily,

504
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:38,720
Speaker 1: that's really good. Yes, but like as you said that,

505
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 1: there were just all these things where she was set

506
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 1: up to fail, all these obstacles working against her, and

507
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 1: it's just watching it, I was just exhausted, Like this

508
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 1: is way too much. I could not imagine trying to

509
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 1: figure out how to pay for the bills with the

510
00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:00,200
Speaker 1: power going off, how to fight off CPS two, keep

511
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 1: your family together, So being the caretaker and constantly being

512
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 1: there as well as realizing I need to do this

513
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 1: for my mom who seems to not care. I don't

514
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 1: know what's happening, but she seems to not care. On

515
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 1: top of the fact that she's trying to live her

516
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 1: own life, which she really had high hopes for which

517
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 1: was dashed within a day. And I think it's also

518
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 1: like this conversation for her to not be her mother.

519
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 1: So when Dedra is talking to Laney about her I

520
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 1: don't understand why this pageant is a big deal for you.

521
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 1: We need all these other things we need to think about,

522
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 1: you know, the basic needs of our home. And then

523
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 1: hearing what happened between her mother and Laney, and then

524
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 1: hearing what's happening between Laney and the friend, and realizing

525
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 1: the bigger you know, casualty in this level for her, like, oh,

526
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 1: she is already low in confidence, but now we're really

527
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 1: killing her spirit. And I'm part of this because I'm

528
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 1: not I'm kind of putting on the mother phase of

529
00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 1: doing my own things and trying to do to care

530
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 1: for the bab knees. Once again, is that bigger conversation

531
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 1: in homes that are financially and economically. In trouble is

532
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 1: that you can't get to these bigger knees, these these

533
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 1: emotional traumas because you're trying to care for the basic needs,

534
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 1: and it becomes problematic in itself. And though they are

535
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 1: doing the damned best they can, they're still that giant

536
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 1: part missing and it can go awry. Mm hmm. Yeah.

537
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 1: Watching it, I I just felt like, even though they

538
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 1: went about it in such different ways, the mom and

539
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 1: Didre had kind of the same, like this ambition of

540
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 1: like more, and for Deedre, I feel like she lost

541
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 1: for a minute, she lost herself in it where she

542
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 1: was just like we could keep going um and she

543
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 1: had to have that kind of human moment with her

544
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 1: sister where she was like, no, we were just going

545
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 1: to do this to get her mom out, like I

546
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 1: thought we were going to stay together. But I do

547
00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 1: think that narrative was really really interesting. I think that

548
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 1: there was that whole kind of narrative of pushing marginalized

549
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 1: communities into crime for this basic survival and then blaming

550
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 1: these communities for it, because I mean, what else were

551
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 1: they gonna do? Like like when that guy says like, oh,

552
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 1: it's about Victorian, why would it ever be the v Victorian. Well,

553
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 1: there's so much working against you, right, then this is

554
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 1: option for you, and especially like for children for trying

555
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 1: to keep their family together. I don't know, I just

556
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 1: felt so it made sense, like your options are so few,

557
00:31:45,600 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 1: then rob train. Right. This is the whole conversation with

558
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 1: this as well, when we're talking about marginalized communities and

559
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 1: again what I've seen and I don't think we have

560
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 1: anybody in our listenership that would ever argue that these

561
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 1: possibilities could happen. But the fact of the matter is

562
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 1: when the cards are stacked against you, there's only so

563
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 1: much you can do. And of course this was the overarching,

564
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 1: like obviously sarcastic response of we're gonna rob a train,

565
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 1: you know, because that sounds ridiculously like implausible. But when

566
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 1: I see oftentimes and it's not necessarily that they're just

567
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 1: going for needs, it is literally a conversation of I

568
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 1: don't understand why we can't do this, but they can.

569
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 1: And it's this conversation that I've had for a long time,

570
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 1: and then within my social work community of like part

571
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 1: of this problem is, yeah, these kids are angry. The

572
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 1: movie in itself was like finding basic needs, realizing they

573
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 1: can do it, realizing they can get away with it.

574
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 1: So going for the more uh for this specific plot.

575
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 1: But what I've seen specifically in marginalized communities is that

576
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 1: they are angry because they're not afforded that same level

577
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 1: of privilege, and so they will do what they can

578
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 1: to try to equal it out or even it out

579
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 1: with no regards to others, because there's no regards to them.

580
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 1: You know, there's just this pattern of this conversation that

581
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 1: we have to have that, Yeah, when you talk about

582
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 1: what is happening, and it feels so when someone is robbed,

583
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 1: it feels like you're being violated. I get it, I

584
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 1: see it. But when we talk about the underlying issues

585
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 1: of some of the things that are being stolen are

586
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 1: iPhones and and silly things, but at the same time

587
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 1: it's like, but it's a luxury, but at the same time,

588
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 1: it's a status. And there is also this conversation of

589
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 1: how we are pitting are because against each other when

590
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 1: it comes to items like this, as well as the

591
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 1: fact that people are tired of having to do the basic.

592
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 1: I get tired of doing the basic. I am fairly privileged.

593
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 1: I get it. But as the person who was doing

594
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 1: three jobs at one point in time, I was really

595
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 1: wishing I could have been that one person was like, Man,

596
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,399
Speaker 1: where's my uncle. Where's my dead uncle? Who's gonna give

597
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 1: me a hundred thousand bucks? Uh? Because he's dead now,

598
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 1: Like I really wish I could have had that one.

599
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:17,800
Speaker 1: But the fact of the matter is I don't. I

600
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 1: don't want anyone to die. But all of that to

601
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 1: say is that there is that level of like, yeah,

602
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 1: you have a whole level of privilege when things are

603
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:28,360
Speaker 1: not equal, and then because it's not equal, you're not

604
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:31,400
Speaker 1: able to meet the equity that needs to happen in

605
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 1: order for things to be balanced out because equal no

606
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 1: longer becomes the even playing field. It just makes you

607
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:39,399
Speaker 1: realiended some more and hope you can be okay again

608
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:41,360
Speaker 1: being a conversation and we're making this a really big thing,

609
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 1: and I get really needed about it. I know I do.

610
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 1: But there's this conversation of yes, we are creating and

611
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 1: fostering a community and an environment that says this is

612
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 1: your only option. Good luck with it, survive. Yeah, And

613
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 1: I mean this was a it, like we said in

614
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 1: a lighthearted movie. And I think that there are considerations

615
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 1: to keep in mind. But the way it was, I

616
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 1: think it was beautiful and it presented all this all

617
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 1: these issues in a way that didn't feel so like upsetting.

618
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 1: But at the end and they were like confronting the

619
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:21,400
Speaker 1: cop and recording, and I was like this terribly, Like

620
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 1: I was scared because of our real world issues and

621
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 1: how that could have gone. And I kept thinking, you know, yeah,

622
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 1: this is these kids did this because they thought they

623
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 1: had to, and then they could have died for it, right, Yeah,

624
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 1: I found that interesting with the fact that again I

625
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:45,279
Speaker 1: think it also equates to the one with a superiority

626
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:48,840
Speaker 1: complex really needing to solve a crime and gave no

627
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:52,359
Speaker 1: care to who it was affecting. And when he makes

628
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:54,239
Speaker 1: the statement of it doesn't matter, all I need is

629
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 1: that arrest, which is yeah, it's an implication too. Yeah,

630
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 1: that's the belief of a lot of law and order.

631
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 1: And that's part of the problem as well, which is

632
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 1: also when we talk about the loss of life in

633
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 1: general and then talking about well, they shouldn't have done

634
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:11,880
Speaker 1: these things, but like, but no matter what they did,

635
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,360
Speaker 1: they didn't deserve to die. They didn't deserve that. What

636
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 1: is happening and it's kind of that same lines of, uh,

637
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:21,359
Speaker 1: I assume you're a bad person because people in your

638
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 1: life are bad people, or and or whatever the situation

639
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:28,759
Speaker 1: may have been. The system is corrupt, so therefore I

640
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Speaker 1: will I will use my assumptions on you, and that

641
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 1: will be law, that will be the instatement. And I

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00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 1: think again they did play this out well as well

643
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 1: as the fact that, like I did see a feeling

644
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 1: I don't know about you. When Dejo walks away from

645
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 1: the white cop, the white cop looks really confused, and

646
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 1: she looks like she feels guilty for ruining his job.

647
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 1: And I don't know if that's the case, but she

648
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 1: has a weird look. It's not satisfaction. It's not satisfaction.

649
00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:01,319
Speaker 1: When I my first take was it was like confusion,

650
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:03,840
Speaker 1: like she didn't know how to feel. But yeah, it

651
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 1: wasn't satisfaction. It was definitely more of a mess of emotions,

652
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 1: I think again having to do what she had to do.

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00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 1: Mm hmm oh. And then I did want to briefly

654
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 1: touch on We've talked a little bit about single motherhood

655
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:22,279
Speaker 1: throughout this, but I do think I appreciated the way

656
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 1: um this movie presented the complexities of that, like you

657
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:31,880
Speaker 1: had the prunification aspect, but she also saw the mother's

658
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:35,919
Speaker 1: side and you understood it like it you get, yeah,

659
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 1: doing what she had to do, doing what she had

660
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 1: to do, doing the best she could a lot of things,

661
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 1: and the systems set up against her. But yeah, it's

662
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 1: just when you see that scene when she finally was

663
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:50,719
Speaker 1: like no, I was saving up for this, and he

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00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:54,360
Speaker 1: just thought, Wow, even in this little montage, I'm exhausted

665
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 1: for you, like so much that is being put on

666
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:08,359
Speaker 1: put on her getting it's just constant having to fight

667
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 1: in having to work and having to do all this

668
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 1: stuff and being tired, right, it's kind of the vibe.

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00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 1: I I think it's an interesting concept to be able

670
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 1: to see the main point of view for the sibling.

671
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 1: So it's setting up for Didre and her sister as

672
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 1: the main characters, and then you see like the peripheral

673
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 1: oh yeah, yeah, yeah, as a kind of like, hey,

674
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 1: it's not as completely as this as well as the side.

675
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 1: I think it's a reminder for Dedra, which is not

676
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 1: for everyone, that she does have people there for her.

677
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 1: She just it's a different way than what she needs sometimes, right, right,

678
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 1: And that's not to say, like, as we said that

679
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 1: portification episode, that that can have major issues and long

680
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 1: term impacts. But I liked that they presented the single

681
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 1: mother is like, well, this is what she was dealing

682
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 1: with two Like, it was very complex and I thought

683
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:58,400
Speaker 1: very fleshed out of like they all had these things

684
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 1: that they were dealing with, and there's is a complicated

685
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 1: conversation again when you don't have outside support, and we've

686
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 1: talked about that and what does this look like and

687
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:09,279
Speaker 1: doing your damned this so that you can keep the

688
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 1: family together. Yes, yes, um, And speaking of I mean,

689
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:16,399
Speaker 1: one of the most beautiful aspects that we've been talking

690
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 1: about it was this bond of the sisters throughout the

691
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:21,799
Speaker 1: movie and seeing it grow. And I did really love

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00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 1: how we got to see them kind of like be

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00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 1: happy with each other and build each other up, and

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00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 1: then they'd have these fights, and it was really nice

695
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 1: to see them like makeup from the fights as well,

696
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 1: Like it was always a pretty like, oh, no, I've

697
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 1: done wrong, I want to make up for it, which again, yet, look,

698
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 1: these are teen kind of comedy drama movies, so that

699
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:46,799
Speaker 1: doesn't always happen in real life. But it was nice.

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00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 1: It was like refreshing to see this sister relationship bloom

701
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:53,439
Speaker 1: and have them support each other and really like fill

702
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:56,720
Speaker 1: in the gaps of where the other person was missing

703
00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:01,320
Speaker 1: and like needed that support. It was really really really lovely.

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00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 1: I thought it was. Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely the heart

705
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 1: of the movie. I would say though, it was I

706
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 1: feel like the mother at that and that was that

707
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 1: was good. That was good. And then yes, representation, as

708
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 1: we said this was it was refreshing also to see

709
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 1: this an Indigenous story that was told from an Indigenous voice,

710
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 1: because that doesn't happen often enough. And I did think

711
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:31,319
Speaker 1: that was interesting as well, because there was a theme,

712
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:34,360
Speaker 1: as I said, throughout the movie of um taking credit

713
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:38,239
Speaker 1: for other people's work and what other people have done,

714
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:42,800
Speaker 1: and I thought that was that was pretty fascinating because

715
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,239
Speaker 1: that has been what has happened a lot when it

716
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:49,439
Speaker 1: comes in terms of these Indigenous stories and who's making

717
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:52,880
Speaker 1: them and who's getting the credit for them. But you

718
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 1: see like Dedre and Laney be like, no, you're taking

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00:40:56,719 --> 00:41:00,160
Speaker 1: credit for what I've done. You're taking credit for all

720
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 1: the work that I've put into something. And I was like, yeah,

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00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 1: I think they did. Again, we talked about how the

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00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 1: school like really looked like an actual what I would

723
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 1: have thought of as the high school when I saw

724
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 1: as a high schooler instead of the glam squad that

725
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 1: was like territorially around. I definitely had a friend like

726
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 1: Claire definitely did not to that extreme, but Boo like

727
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 1: trying to like gaslight me and so that that could

728
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 1: be her, you know, hype girl essentially and never really

729
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 1: being the center of anything and everything like that wasn't lovely. Um,

730
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:37,360
Speaker 1: it wasn't in high school tho. It was more middle school.

731
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 1: But like seeing that as a representation, but yeah, I

732
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 1: think like having those kind of like looks and seeing

733
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 1: what was happening with that, it was it was good

734
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 1: to see in that level, Like not necessarily like I

735
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 1: don't want everybody to be like high school is awful,

736
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 1: but insentially like the actual look of the high school.

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00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 1: They actually used the real people what you would see

738
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 1: instead of this glam looking squad. And yeah, like everybody

739
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:05,400
Speaker 1: being represented well and like the diversity throughout. So it

740
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 1: was nice to see that on top of yeah, yeah,

741
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 1: and I think plenty of storylines, Like I said, they

742
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 1: didn't go how I thought, and they kind of resolved

743
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 1: in a way that felt more realistic in comparison to

744
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:21,799
Speaker 1: these high school films, glam films that you're talking about,

745
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 1: where I was like, yeah, yeah, get you're getting to

746
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:30,839
Speaker 1: fight at pageant. Yeah, uh, that seems about right. Yeah,

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00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 1: And I did appreciate that as well. And I thought

748
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 1: it was a pretty accurate depiction of high school, uh

749
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 1: in a lot of ways. And it was interesting to

750
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:42,279
Speaker 1: see Laney, like she's struggling with this self confidence and

751
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 1: like being in this pageant and kind of figuring out

752
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 1: like her personality through that, or at least the personality

753
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 1: like she'd been too afraid to perhaps show in front

754
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 1: of people. And I did want to touch on two

755
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 1: before we finish up here. I think that shame was

756
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 1: a big theme throughout this of where you live and

757
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:09,360
Speaker 1: where you go to school and where you work and

758
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 1: what you can afford and like what money offers you.

759
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 1: And I just thought that was pretty powerful like throughout it,

760
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 1: like I feel like there were a lot of things

761
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:24,399
Speaker 1: in the family they didn't share because of shame, because

762
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:27,320
Speaker 1: they were ashamed, Like the mom was ashamed of what

763
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 1: she felt was like too little she could offer, and

764
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 1: Dedre was kind of ashamed because she wanted to go

765
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 1: into this you know, big college or nice college and

766
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 1: get out of where she was when she she wrote

767
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:42,239
Speaker 1: on her like application like anywhere two hundred miles from

768
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:45,359
Speaker 1: here or something like just a lot of a lot

769
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 1: of this shame and how it kept a lot of

770
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:52,799
Speaker 1: the characters quiet about things that you know, if they

771
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 1: hot and felt shame of it, and then they could

772
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 1: have talked about it and then maybe they wouldn't have

773
00:43:57,160 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 1: had these issues. But it's all so like the shame

774
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:06,920
Speaker 1: is a lot of societal stuff like right, well, I

775
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 1: mean we definitely touch on a little bit. Again they

776
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 1: don't go too deep, but like about mental health with

777
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 1: the mother having a breakdown and what that looked like

778
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 1: and we didn't know exactly why, and honestly, when you

779
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 1: first meet the mom, you really think there may be

780
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 1: a psychiatric level of needs that we don't understand. They're

781
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:24,440
Speaker 1: not going to talk about, but we see what that

782
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 1: goes through. And then the shame that Laney has called

783
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:30,320
Speaker 1: out for her mom's actions at one point in time,

784
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 1: Laney being shy and really trying to find any competence

785
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 1: whatsoever to be seen in general. Again, she talks about

786
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:38,880
Speaker 1: how she just doesn't know anything, she's not good at anything.

787
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 1: You have the teacher trying to encourage her. I will say,

788
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 1: I feel like that was the biggest fantasy level that

789
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:46,880
Speaker 1: everybody in the school was supportive of them. I was like, well,

790
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 1: you know that's not always true, especially of those who

791
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 1: are in the marginalized community. But I do love that this.

792
00:44:51,880 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 1: I wish it was a thing, right right, Yeah, but yeah,

793
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 1: we both really enjoyed this movie. We recommend it. You

794
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 1: have Netflix, it's on there. Um, it's yeah, it's a

795
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 1: it's a fun watch. It's not that long if you're

796
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 1: looking for something, it's not trauma, and it's like you

797
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 1: can you can sit and enjoy and laugh like it's

798
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:18,799
Speaker 1: a it's a thing, and then just have a moment.

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00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 1: You do have a little bit of willing suspicion of

800
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 1: disbelief there, a little bit like I said, I guess

801
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:26,319
Speaker 1: I'm too caught up in that world. I'm like, that's

802
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 1: not how I turned out. Yeah, for sure, there were

803
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:33,439
Speaker 1: moments where I was like, oh no, but that's true

804
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 1: with a lot of the things. But that doesn't make

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00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 1: it any less as good as it is. Like we

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00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:41,239
Speaker 1: would tend to recommend, yes, go check it. Out and

807
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:44,280
Speaker 1: then let us know your thoughts and also what movie

808
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 1: should we watch next? Keep coming. Yes, you can evail

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