Speaker 1: This is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show, your
Speaker 1: war room for insider news and draft analysis from deep
Speaker 1: within the confines of Cowboys headquarters at the Star in Frisco.
Speaker 1: And now your host, Kyle Yeomans. It is the Draft
Speaker 1: Show sponsored by Miller Lite. Brian brought us here. I'm
Speaker 1: so happy to be back in this chair. I love Kyle,
Speaker 1: but it's kind of funny sitting on the other side
Speaker 1: over there, like I like kind of directing this. I
Speaker 1: like to make my scouts uncomfortable. How about that for
Speaker 1: an opening today? That's good. You're greater role today with me.
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to be uncomfortable today. You're ready, You're
Speaker 1: not You're not interested in being uncomfortable today talking about
Speaker 1: the NFL Draft. Nah. My anxiety can't take you can't
Speaker 1: take it. Nah. But it's okay. I'm here though, I'm
Speaker 1: here to let's run well. I guess Aisha Morrison, the
Speaker 1: voice of one of my favorite scouts, young scouts trying
Speaker 1: to get it done. What's going on with you? I'm fine,
Speaker 1: I'm here. I think it's the chair I ain't used
Speaker 1: to be in my direct line to sight. Is that
Speaker 1: bothering you? A little bit to probably stressed me. And
Speaker 1: then Bobby's over there. I'm trying to get my laptop
Speaker 1: to turn on people. That's what I'm trying to do.
Speaker 1: Oh no, we need the goods. Well, you do need
Speaker 1: the goods. That's the voice of Bobby Belt one oh
Speaker 1: five three. The fan just got off his morning show.
Speaker 1: I'm sure he did some great work, Robert, thank you
Speaker 1: for that's fore, thank you. And then my teammate on
Speaker 1: the afternoons on one oh five three, Zach Walchuk. Again,
Speaker 1: all my scouting buddies here. You know me, guys, I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna waste a lot of time here. I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna waste a lot of time because I don't believe
Speaker 1: in wasting time on the Draft Show. Oh god, I
Speaker 1: don't believe in that. Perfect but yeah, I mentioned this
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna get to this as as we embark them. Wait, wait,
Speaker 1: forty nine days now, then we say we were fifty days,
Speaker 1: nine days. Forty nine days until we get to sit
Speaker 1: in this room and kind of dissect everything that's going on.
Speaker 1: I do want to ask you guys some questions, and
Speaker 1: this is kind of how this thing is going to
Speaker 1: go today. I'm going to uh, We're gonna try and
Speaker 1: cover a lot of content early in this thing with
Speaker 1: some players I want I want to I want to
Speaker 1: get my guys opinions. I want to get my scouts
Speaker 1: opinions on some of these guys that they're struggling with,
Speaker 1: maybe some guys that are willing to fight for. We'll
Speaker 1: do some twitter on the twenty. But then in the
Speaker 1: last part of the show, we're gonna draft for the
Speaker 1: NFC East and we're gonna take Dame Brugler's mock draft,
Speaker 1: and I've got some names. I'm gonna give my scouts
Speaker 1: a choice here that they can draft for the Eagles
Speaker 1: at ten, and I'm gonna give my scouts some choice
Speaker 1: for the Commanders and for the Giants, and then we'll
Speaker 1: get to the Dallas Cowboys with the names left, and
Speaker 1: we'll try and and try and kind of work through
Speaker 1: this thing in that regard. So you guys ready to
Speaker 1: ready to get going today, It's never been more ready.
Speaker 1: Got you, Bobby Belt, give me a guy that you'll
Speaker 1: absolutely fight for in this draft, Somebody that you would,
Speaker 1: you know if you said, listen, give me the one opportunity.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of times in these war rooms where
Speaker 1: these scouts as they put their board together, they will
Speaker 1: fight for a particular person, whether it's somebody that they're
Speaker 1: on that island by themselves, maybe they've got another scouting
Speaker 1: buddy involved with them. But give me one guy that
Speaker 1: you would absolutely fight for. Stand up on the table,
Speaker 1: bang the table, beat people up to get on your
Speaker 1: football team. Okay, so are we talking about guys that
Speaker 1: have no chance at getting into Dallas twenty six or
Speaker 1: more somebody that we think will be there at some
Speaker 1: point when they're picking. You can give me the guy
Speaker 1: you absolutely one of your favorite players. And I'm not
Speaker 1: talking about a pet cat, But give me somebody. I
Speaker 1: love this guy, but you know what, at twenty six,
Speaker 1: if he gets there, I'm going to cause a ruckus
Speaker 1: in that room. Yeah. I mean I think that when
Speaker 1: you look at if for some way, somehow, obviously a
Speaker 1: guy that would have to slide there would be Joey
Speaker 1: Porter Jr. Who I love and I think is the
Speaker 1: perfect type of corner that they would want here in Dallas,
Speaker 1: the perfect type of player that Joe Witt and Dan
Speaker 1: Quinn could use in the scheme that they need a
Speaker 1: guy who measured in six two and a half thirty
Speaker 1: four inch arms, which is absurd great length, great size,
Speaker 1: great I think play strength, a high I Q a
Speaker 1: good awareness, but that one I don't think is very realistic.
Speaker 1: And so the guy I keep coming back to him,
Speaker 1: and I know we've mentioned him a couple times over
Speaker 1: the last couple weeks. The guy keep coming back to
Speaker 1: that I think is realistically there and I'd be willing
Speaker 1: to fight for among a group of players. Is Luke
Speaker 1: Musgrave the tight end for Morgan State because I think
Speaker 1: that Luke Musgrave, to me, is going to be better
Speaker 1: value where he is than any of the receivers. I
Speaker 1: honestly like Musgrave more than I like any of the receivers,
Speaker 1: more than I like Jackson Smith and Jick but more
Speaker 1: than I like Jordan Addison more than I like Quinton Johnson,
Speaker 1: because I think they all have warts about them that
Speaker 1: other receivers haven't necessarily had in recent years when we've
Speaker 1: had some of the really high end top talent at receiver.
Speaker 1: But Musgrave, to me, just the footwork, I think the
Speaker 1: hands now Obviously, the question with him has also been
Speaker 1: about his availability. His injury history is durability. But if
Speaker 1: you're just talking to me about what type of a
Speaker 1: player he can be, that's a guy that if you
Speaker 1: put him in the offense next year, he's a thousand
Speaker 1: yards to me easy, and I think that he can
Speaker 1: replace what Dalton Schultz did for you, and he can
Speaker 1: do more. He can stretch the field more, and he
Speaker 1: is the type of vertical tight end that I think
Speaker 1: really threatens defense. Is the way that Jerry has talked
Speaker 1: about recently on the bus, in the way that I
Speaker 1: think some people around this team have talked about that
Speaker 1: they'd like to find a really dynamic threat there. Zach Wolchuk,
Speaker 1: he just said that he would fight for Musgrave over
Speaker 1: Smith and Jigba. I've known you now through this draft
Speaker 1: process that that is your favorite player, Is in fact
Speaker 1: that the guy you're going to fight for, or do
Speaker 1: you not feel he is going to be there at
Speaker 1: twenty six for you? I don't think he'll be there
Speaker 1: at twenty six, And if he is, the league has
Speaker 1: made a terrible error in evaluation by letting this guy slide.
Speaker 1: Now I'm gonna go with somebody else because I think
Speaker 1: you guys know my affinity for Jackson Smith and Jigba
Speaker 1: Ohio state wide Ohio state wide receiver and who I
Speaker 1: think is the best wide receiver in the draft, and
Speaker 1: people might be overthinking that he's not when you look
Speaker 1: at some of his college teammates that have come in
Speaker 1: and been productive and they've applauded him for already being better.
Speaker 1: I'm going to go with an edge rusher here, and
Speaker 1: this is a guy who I kind of had as
Speaker 1: a friend first rounder, but it is King Felix is
Speaker 1: what I call him, Felix and a dk uzoma from
Speaker 1: Kansas State. I love this dude, and I don't think
Speaker 1: you can ever go wrong with taking an offensive or
Speaker 1: defensive lineman. I don't know if the Cowboys, we haven't
Speaker 1: heard a lot of edge rusher when it comes to
Speaker 1: them in the first round. But if they decide, hey,
Speaker 1: the corners aren't there, the damn tight end he can
Speaker 1: stretch a little bit. Maybe we don't want to go
Speaker 1: tight end the receivers they get wiped out. This might
Speaker 1: be a guy that I think could be the best
Speaker 1: player on the board. And I saw a lot of
Speaker 1: like Robert mathis like trades in his game. This dude
Speaker 1: competes his ass off, does not quit, high motor, always working,
Speaker 1: compact build, quick off the ball. Does give up some size, right,
Speaker 1: So he's not the biggest dude in the world. Six four,
Speaker 1: two fifty five. He's big enough, yeah, but he doesn't
Speaker 1: look huge on tape. When you watch him play, He's
Speaker 1: got multiple ways to beat you, which is why I
Speaker 1: love him. He shows multiple pass rush moves. He's got
Speaker 1: good hands. He switched his sides. He can play both
Speaker 1: the right and the left end. You know, we talked
Speaker 1: about what if the Cowboys make some cat moves? Yeah, Bobby,
Speaker 1: you talked about this yesterday on our show with like
Speaker 1: a Dorance Armstrong or something like that. Maybe defensive end
Speaker 1: all of a sudden is a sneaky need for them.
Speaker 1: They need to replenish that. I think this is a
Speaker 1: dude that can come in day one and be an
Speaker 1: impact type of player for you. I think he's NFL ready. Zachary,
Speaker 1: give me your list of defensive ends. Okay, give me
Speaker 1: your defensive linz ends down to that player. So I've
Speaker 1: got Willie Anderson one at Alabama. I've got Tyree Wilson,
Speaker 1: it too. Give me Miles Murphy, then Nolan Smith. So
Speaker 1: you feel like all those guys are gonna be gone.
Speaker 1: I think they'd all be gone, Okay, I do, and
Speaker 1: may like Nolan Smith to me was a guy that
Speaker 1: could have been around there, but I think he tested
Speaker 1: so well to come by he's gone. There's no way.
Speaker 1: And then people seem to love Lucas van Ness at Iowa.
Speaker 1: I didn't see it personally, like I think, hold that
Speaker 1: thought because I'm gonna get to some then when we
Speaker 1: get back through. Okay, okay, hold that thought about him.
Speaker 1: But you're looking further. You're looking for an edge because
Speaker 1: you're thinking and maybe you're gonna be wiped out at receiver.
Speaker 1: Possibly you're thinking. You're not enamored with the tight ends
Speaker 1: that might be there, and you're not enamored with any
Speaker 1: potential guard that could be there. Right, Okay, tell me
Speaker 1: about it, scout. Who do you got? If Kalijah Cancie
Speaker 1: from Pittsburgh is still there? I might, I might act
Speaker 1: the fool. I'd like him. I like his flexibility. I
Speaker 1: like well how he shoots gaps. I just like how
Speaker 1: active he is, and he's vicious as a DT, it
Speaker 1: looks like possible he might have some I don't know
Speaker 1: how some teams feel, but similar to um, Tommy that
Speaker 1: performed really well well, I can't perform at a at
Speaker 1: a bare that performed really well at the at Thethwestern
Speaker 1: Northwestern Gap. Yeah, similar to him. I think some teams
Speaker 1: think that this guy may have some flex on the edge,
Speaker 1: possibly because he is such an athlete. So when you
Speaker 1: look at Okay, well, maybe you have a neat for
Speaker 1: an edge situationally, and you trying to find another DT
Speaker 1: to come in here, clog up some some some of
Speaker 1: these lanes and shoot these gaps. I mean he's two
Speaker 1: seventy five. I think he yesterday I liked it. I
Speaker 1: think he was close to two eighties. So yeah, So yeah,
Speaker 1: Colijah Cancy is a guy I might act the full
Speaker 1: four if he's there, but I don't know if he's
Speaker 1: gonna be there. So I think that Colijah Cancy is
Speaker 1: really really good and I would love him here in Dallas. Um.
Speaker 1: I think that again because you mentioned the Cowboys specifically
Speaker 1: do like flexibility. They like guys who can bump inside outside,
Speaker 1: They like guys who can play a bunch of different spots.
Speaker 1: I think for them specifically here in Dallas Canty, especially
Speaker 1: as an edge. I don't think they would ever put
Speaker 1: him at edge just because of the length, because the
Speaker 1: arms came in. What the arms? She was talking about
Speaker 1: other teams? No, no, no, no, no, yeah, yeah, I know.
Speaker 1: I'm just talking about fighting for him here in Dallas.
Speaker 1: I'm referencing that, right, um is that? That's what it?
Speaker 1: But I would love him as long as they're okay
Speaker 1: saying we got a guy who's going to basically play
Speaker 1: three technique for us and that's all he does. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's all OsO DIGGI Zooa does. That's all other guys
Speaker 1: have done for them before. Then I'm all on board
Speaker 1: with that. I like Zach talking about On a dk
Speaker 1: zoma there was an interesting note. I was doing some research,
Speaker 1: one of the things I do when I'm out of combine.
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to find statistical notes things like that.
Speaker 1: Production wise, he's in a league all on his own.
Speaker 1: So he is the only FBS player to combine for
Speaker 1: at least twenty five tackles for loss and more than
Speaker 1: five forced fumbles over the past two seasons. So he's
Speaker 1: performing at a really high level in a conference that
Speaker 1: people rag on all the time for their defense. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so I mean I think production wise, he's great.
Speaker 1: The traits are really interesting with him, and so I
Speaker 1: mean I think those are both good names. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: you you mentioned the traits and all of that stuff
Speaker 1: in the production When we were talking to Will McClay
Speaker 1: on the Draft show, I was a word that he used.
Speaker 1: He used adamantly like production is important to them and
Speaker 1: how I'm assuming that that's something that they're looking at
Speaker 1: more so moving forward. So that's important as well. I
Speaker 1: do like the I do like all the ones that
Speaker 1: you guys are talking about here. The Cancy one is
Speaker 1: very interesting to me because, like I say, I've been
Speaker 1: fortunate if you and I have had the discussion about
Speaker 1: Leroy Glover when I was in pro personnel here with
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, and I'll never forget you couldn't have driven
Speaker 1: a nail up my butt when Jerry Jones asked me,
Speaker 1: you know, we're about to hand this guy five million dollars?
Speaker 1: You okay with that? And it took every bit of
Speaker 1: confidence that I had to say yeah, because you're talking
Speaker 1: about a shorter guy, but you're talking about a guy
Speaker 1: like what I used just talk disruptive, you know, plays
Speaker 1: up field, tackles for loss, things like that. I mean
Speaker 1: that that to me is a very interesting, you know
Speaker 1: interesting time. The guy I would fight for is be
Speaker 1: Jean Robinson. That's the guy I would fight for. Dang,
Speaker 1: I didn't want to be I didn't want us to
Speaker 1: be And I love that. I know that that should
Speaker 1: that should that shouldn't have to be a fight. It shouldn't.
Speaker 1: And but I think, but I think where I think
Speaker 1: it will be a fight is I don't I worry
Speaker 1: about how this Cowboys are going to handle this running
Speaker 1: back sit situation, positional value. I mean, yeah, they've got
Speaker 1: twenty eight million dollars right now tied up in running backs.
Speaker 1: You know that's that's that's a fact. But you know,
Speaker 1: to me, I would have personally started over, is what
Speaker 1: I would have I agree, I would have started over,
Speaker 1: and I would have started with Bijean Robinson is who
Speaker 1: I would have started with. That's the guy I That's
Speaker 1: the guy I kind of I you know, if somehow,
Speaker 1: some way he were to get to me, it would
Speaker 1: be really hard for me to say, guys, that's the
Speaker 1: best player on the board right now, isn't it in it,
Speaker 1: and I would like, I would look every one of
Speaker 1: you in the eye and say that, and I would
Speaker 1: make I would challenge you to tell me that it's
Speaker 1: not true now and I would agree with you. My
Speaker 1: thing is, I feel like in this entire process, and
Speaker 1: you've done this a long time, Brian Bijean, Robinsons have
Speaker 1: done radio a long time too. Bijean might be winning
Speaker 1: this more than any other player because you look at
Speaker 1: the combine and it's like, Okay, you're trying to match up,
Speaker 1: to match up what I saw in film. He tested well,
Speaker 1: the interview process seemed like it went well. The tape
Speaker 1: is fantastic with him. I am just finding it harder
Speaker 1: and harder to believe he's gonna be available when the
Speaker 1: Cowboys are on the clock. Yeah, you mentioned that you
Speaker 1: would start over. I so my only thing about the
Speaker 1: starting over is you are installing a new not a
Speaker 1: totally new, but a new offense this upcoming season. Sure
Speaker 1: would that possibly be a reason why maybe you wouldn't
Speaker 1: just start over, because I did. I saw a lot
Speaker 1: of people talking about that with UH with Tony poll
Speaker 1: again franchise Tach, like I would have just started over
Speaker 1: or whatever. But do you is there some pause with
Speaker 1: the fact that you are bringing in a new offense,
Speaker 1: you have a new running back coach. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: it's it's a lot of shifting going on to just
Speaker 1: be like, hey, Rook, let's go out there and do it.
Speaker 1: Let's be done. I kind of feel like with him,
Speaker 1: I'm loading the wagon and let no. I mean to me,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, oh he is that? Oh? I think so? Yeah.
Speaker 1: And the thing about it is the kid Gibbs from
Speaker 1: Alabama might be just as good close close. That's about
Speaker 1: to say. Yeah, see to me, if if you were,
Speaker 1: if you were step up in that room and say,
Speaker 1: brought us you're wrong. We got Gibbs tag touching Robinson's tag.
Speaker 1: Why can't you just wait? Why that's a better player.
Speaker 1: I would respect, I would respect one of you if
Speaker 1: you said that to me, and I think you would.
Speaker 1: I think you would say, wait a minute, Brian, what
Speaker 1: about that Alabama kid? Why why are we not talking
Speaker 1: about him right now? You know? So I appreciate that.
Speaker 1: All right, let's go around real quick if we can,
Speaker 1: because we got Twitter on the twenty coming up. I
Speaker 1: want to get to these questions too, But I also
Speaker 1: want to know is there a guy that if it
Speaker 1: turns into he's there and you're like, listen, I'm not
Speaker 1: trying to kill these kids, you know when it comes to,
Speaker 1: you know, not wanting them. But is there a pick
Speaker 1: that they would make that you would say that's a
Speaker 1: little tough from I always call it the pin throw
Speaker 1: where you know, darn you know that kind of thing
Speaker 1: where a guy goes and stuff like that. Zach, you
Speaker 1: got a player that if they took him, you would
Speaker 1: just pause. I'm not saying you would just totally. I
Speaker 1: mean you, as a scout, you would put it down,
Speaker 1: you'd mark it on your sheet, and you just get
Speaker 1: ready for the next pick, you know, in the first round.
Speaker 1: And I've seen this and I don't think that this
Speaker 1: guy's a first rounder, but it's it's eca at a Baylor. Yeah, Like,
Speaker 1: I don't think this dude's a first round pick for
Speaker 1: me defensive tackle and I think that I've and you know,
Speaker 1: I've gone back and forth about this. I think Mozzi
Speaker 1: Smith is just better personally. But I mean I looked
Speaker 1: at him. He's a big body. Uh, he's got a
Speaker 1: good anchor, he's good at the point of attack, and
Speaker 1: he's got good awareness and a feel for the game
Speaker 1: in terms of I think he's really good in the
Speaker 1: screen game, but I just didn't I was just underwhelmed
Speaker 1: watching him. I just didn't see a ton of production,
Speaker 1: and I feel like, would you be really wrong about him?
Speaker 1: I could be a hundred percent. I could be wrong
Speaker 1: about him because he's got some you know. I can
Speaker 1: see the Vita vea type of comparison, like as a
Speaker 1: dancing bear type. And it might have just been the
Speaker 1: games I watch, maybe the production. Maybe it's just a
Speaker 1: lacking there. But if they were detained, I don't think
Speaker 1: they would. The Cowboys don't seem like they put a
Speaker 1: massive value in defensive tackle to take him at twenty six. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but Siaki Ecuy, I'd be like, man, they could have
Speaker 1: gone somewhere else. Another guy would be Trent and Simpson
Speaker 1: at a Clemson. I just don't see it with Trent
Speaker 1: and Simpson personally. I think that dude is a bust
Speaker 1: waiting to happen. I don't say that, I really did
Speaker 1: say all that. I would just say he's standard. Okay,
Speaker 1: well give me give me your guy. Uh don't kill me. No, No,
Speaker 1: we're not. It's not about this is not about this
Speaker 1: would be the guy that if they took. And I'm
Speaker 1: just saying if the guy in the room, because there's
Speaker 1: times I trust me, I've sat in that room and
Speaker 1: you we've taken players and I've just put my head
Speaker 1: down and wrote wrote the name down on the on
Speaker 1: the sheet and moved to the next guy. That's what
Speaker 1: I did. So I'm not trying to not trying to
Speaker 1: just you know, kill these kids. I'm just saying, who's
Speaker 1: that name that you have, and maybe it's a guy
Speaker 1: you're struggling with. I'll tell you my guy real quick.
Speaker 1: Is the guy that iowa is van Ness? I struggle
Speaker 1: with him. I mean, if if they took van Ness,
Speaker 1: I would I would put my head down and write
Speaker 1: the name on and would probably be damned wrong about
Speaker 1: the guy. Yeah, you know I probably would be, But
Speaker 1: that's kind of that. I'm just trying to get a
Speaker 1: feel where you are in the room when we make
Speaker 1: this pick. If it's one of these guys, my room's
Speaker 1: not going to be very happier right now. Sure it
Speaker 1: depends for me, it depends on what they're looking for.
Speaker 1: But I would be confused a little bit if they
Speaker 1: took Drew Sanders from an arkisade. Okay, okay, I would
Speaker 1: be confused because of how he plays and what he does.
Speaker 1: These linebackers you've said all along, are not wowing you.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, that's fair, they're not. Yeah, that's fair. No,
Speaker 1: just own that because I agree with I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't disagree with yet I'm struggling with these guys. Well,
Speaker 1: I think that he gets a lot of the attention
Speaker 1: because of the pass rush ability, because of the fact
Speaker 1: that he can do other things that aren't just linebackers stuff.
Speaker 1: But for this defense, I mean, they rush safeties when
Speaker 1: they need to say, they rush from the tackle like
Speaker 1: they do so much from a Russian standpoint that that
Speaker 1: to me would be to add him would be helpful.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, it would be like, do
Speaker 1: I need this or do I need a true linebacker
Speaker 1: right now to man the middle of the field, so
Speaker 1: Micah can do whatever you want to do. So I
Speaker 1: would be weird. It would be like, all right, he
Speaker 1: might be the best linebacker technically, yeah, because he can
Speaker 1: rush the pastor as well, but does he fit into
Speaker 1: this defense right now? That's me y U A couple
Speaker 1: guys probably, and it's one of them that I like
Speaker 1: the potential, but Keiley Ringo in the first round would
Speaker 1: be a little tough. Now. See, they they've developed a
Speaker 1: reputation here in Dallas for when they bank on traits
Speaker 1: and they take somebody that a lot of people are like, oh,
Speaker 1: really raw. The trades are there, but that's raw, and
Speaker 1: there's a lot of questions. It's worked out for them
Speaker 1: a lot in the last decade, and so I would
Speaker 1: I would have my most optimistic view of if they
Speaker 1: are doing then I'm trusting that they know what kind
Speaker 1: of a study and what kind of a student and
Speaker 1: worker this guy will be. So that would be one
Speaker 1: more than Ringo even for me, would probably be Keyon
Speaker 1: White from Georgia. I'm not seeing Keyon White from Georgia
Speaker 1: Tech myself. I would I would struggle with that, and
Speaker 1: I know a lot of people are mocking him, and
Speaker 1: I've seen guys like have him in their top fifty.
Speaker 1: Like at twenty one it was a senior Bowl. It
Speaker 1: was a senior Bowl. The traits are there. I could
Speaker 1: get on board with Keyon White at twenty six. I
Speaker 1: think he's got upside. Yeah, I mean, look, I think
Speaker 1: twenty six is rich, but if the Cowboys made that pick,
Speaker 1: I'd be banking on they know something. They've hit on
Speaker 1: first rounders, and I don't see a Taco Charlton here.
Speaker 1: I mean I see a guy that's got a quick
Speaker 1: get off. I mean he's a he's a former type
Speaker 1: a basketball player, that thin and you can see that body.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's got a strong bull rush. I think
Speaker 1: he's got a good combination of speed and power off
Speaker 1: the edge. I think that's a due that could end
Speaker 1: up being a really good, big difference between Keyon White
Speaker 1: and Taco Charleton. Keyon White can bend. Yeah, Taco Charlton
Speaker 1: didn't show a lot of that, at least I didn't.
Speaker 1: He's at Michigan. But I only bring up Tacco because
Speaker 1: Cowboy fans, right, if you don't like the pick, that'd
Speaker 1: be the immediate comp like, oh, they just they just
Speaker 1: busted on another first rounder here with with Taco taking
Speaker 1: a defensive end and don't look at me like that.
Speaker 1: The early second round guy, I think he's a second rounder.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have him in. I don't think i'd have
Speaker 1: him top fifth. The problem I'm struggling with, and I've
Speaker 1: mentioned Van Ness. I had Van Ness over him. And
Speaker 1: I'm not a van Ness fan. Yeah see, I see
Speaker 1: more explosiveness in White than van Ness. But I think
Speaker 1: I wonder, and you brought this up with the defense
Speaker 1: and the way the Cowboys defense is set up, I
Speaker 1: wonder if it's the way Iowa played Van Nest that
Speaker 1: has me a little timid on him. They're they're a players.
Speaker 1: I always got. It's amazing They've got the players they
Speaker 1: do and they and they are. And you brought it
Speaker 1: up about how technically sound they are and tough and
Speaker 1: you know, all these things about it. Every time I've
Speaker 1: seem to have I've liked an Iowa guy. Iowa guy,
Speaker 1: he's kind of let me down. I like that linebacker Campbell. Yeah, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: that's oh yeah, I mean Jack Campbell. Yeah, he's he
Speaker 1: might be the best linebacker in the draft skin clothes.
Speaker 1: It's good. I mean, as we get down to the
Speaker 1: wire and you start really looking at what everybody can do,
Speaker 1: you're like, yeah, okay. But he, like we talked about it,
Speaker 1: he tested so much better than what I thought he was.
Speaker 1: Want to Jack Campbell. He was surprisingly efficient in coverage,
Speaker 1: like what he does, being able to drop into the
Speaker 1: zone and affect the slam hips just flip naturally. I
Speaker 1: was I was surprised. He was a bright spot to me.
Speaker 1: I was surprised by him too. All Right, I appreciate
Speaker 1: your guys thought about that. We got through that, okay, right,
Speaker 1: was solid. Oh no, I didn't say, oh six, you
Speaker 1: don't like no, no, no, no. I just want to
Speaker 1: see Bobby's face. I just I don't want to. I
Speaker 1: doubt there's an alignment like if Scronsky got down there. Okay,
Speaker 1: we can play. But just in general, I think the
Speaker 1: application of resources, I don't know that I want to
Speaker 1: pick a line Darnel right. I don't think I want
Speaker 1: to pick an off out of Tennessee. I take Darnel
Speaker 1: right in the heart. I don't want to take another
Speaker 1: offensive lineman at twenty six. I just I don't know
Speaker 1: that that's a effective use of resources given the holes
Speaker 1: you have on this team right now. All right, that's
Speaker 1: so fair, I'll like it. All right, Well, we're gonna
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Speaker 1: to twenty six, would you draft them, say, like a
Speaker 1: Will Levis quarterback from Kentucky, I'm gonna fight. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be punching air a quarterback. That's absolutely not And it's
Speaker 1: not just because I'm the biggest Dak Prescott proponent this
Speaker 1: side of Starksville. It's the fact that, again we talk
Speaker 1: about the way you're using your resources. Pick twenty seven.
Speaker 1: In twenty seventeen, the last first round player that the the
Speaker 1: Cowboys have on the board was Dalvin Cook. It did
Speaker 1: not matter to them. They weren't picking her running back
Speaker 1: at twenty seven because they had Ezekiel Elliott here. It
Speaker 1: just wasn't going to be the way that they were
Speaker 1: going to use their resources. And so could they pick
Speaker 1: a quarterback somewhere in the Maybe they get to the
Speaker 1: second round and somebody's there. Maybe they get to the
Speaker 1: third and they think somebody's there and go, this is
Speaker 1: just too good a value for us to pass up.
Speaker 1: On a Day two, maybe they would do something like that.
Speaker 1: But even in the first round, I just I can't
Speaker 1: see I think they would hold somebody hostage for that.
Speaker 1: You want to come up to twenty six and get
Speaker 1: let us come trade with us. That's dream scenario for me,
Speaker 1: because then I think that you're going to be able
Speaker 1: to move out of the first round. I think you
Speaker 1: might be able to pick up a one for next
Speaker 1: year and there's a team that wants skimp and you
Speaker 1: go get that guy so they have a fifth year
Speaker 1: option on them. Now, the question was would you do
Speaker 1: this right? It wasn't what the Cowboys do this. Cowboys
Speaker 1: aren't doing it. I would do this. I think Will
Speaker 1: Levis is a player that I would I would gamble on.
Speaker 1: And I got I got some doubts. What if your
Speaker 1: quarterback is good and the quarterback is good, So what
Speaker 1: are what are you doing? Uh? Maybe I'm trying to
Speaker 1: find a great quarterback and not a good quarterback. And
Speaker 1: if you're you're willing to take the gamble on Levis,
Speaker 1: who is I think still raw? You're willing to take
Speaker 1: that gamble knowing you have the most important position already
Speaker 1: locked up and lots of other questions. But I could
Speaker 1: still trying to win. In that win, I could maybe
Speaker 1: try and improve on that quarterback right, And it's the
Speaker 1: most valuable position in the sport. And if I hit
Speaker 1: on it, and let's say, let's say Dak ends up
Speaker 1: bawling out wins an MVP under the new McCarthy system,
Speaker 1: and end up winning a super Bowl. Now I've got
Speaker 1: a trade chip here, and what's what's your trade? Is
Speaker 1: that not valuable to have the collateral Will Levis? And
Speaker 1: now I can flip that I can getting low picks.
Speaker 1: Turning left, here's the thing. I think if you drafted
Speaker 1: a Will Levis and he never saw the field, the
Speaker 1: most he could get back as a first And so
Speaker 1: all you're doing is delayne having the access to the
Speaker 1: player for two years and you don't get the benefit
Speaker 1: of It's not like you're gonna get more than that.
Speaker 1: By picking well of us, you're just penalizing yourself from
Speaker 1: reaping the benefits of a first round. I think it's
Speaker 1: a fun conversation to have. I wouldn't be opposed to
Speaker 1: any I wouldn't be opposed to doing this, and especially
Speaker 1: for a football team that doesn't seem like they're in
Speaker 1: a position to really take a quarterback much. If you
Speaker 1: have a guy that is a top ten talent that
Speaker 1: falls into your lab and you don't consider that, I
Speaker 1: think it's malpractice. Is he tapped in any other year,
Speaker 1: in a different quarterback lass, next year, he would not
Speaker 1: be talked about. Probably in the top he definitely, he
Speaker 1: might be number three or four. I mean, it depends
Speaker 1: on Hartman. Hartman might be ahead of him. I mean
Speaker 1: he's not. He's not ahead of Williams or twenty seven
Speaker 1: years old. A lot of these guys, a lot of
Speaker 1: these guys are though because of the COVID, they all
Speaker 1: they all gave him an next year. I mean, will
Speaker 1: Levis to me one hundred percent is the number one
Speaker 1: quarterback in last year's class. Like he's better than pick
Speaker 1: it to me, and absolutely so. Yeah, he would have
Speaker 1: nails his right tackles trying to get him murdered every
Speaker 1: single play. He would have been number one last year.
Speaker 1: And I like Levis, Like I think Levis is a
Speaker 1: good player. It's just that's not the correct use of resources.
Speaker 1: And when you look at taking somebody like Levis, while
Speaker 1: you say you could get better, you could be great
Speaker 1: at the position, right, How how long until a player
Speaker 1: like will Levis do you think is legitimately passing Dack
Speaker 1: if he's going to if he if you say Will
Speaker 1: Levis is going to be a better quarterback than Dak
Speaker 1: Prescott one day, Okay, how long is that going to be?
Speaker 1: It's two years he sits, so it would be the
Speaker 1: third year. So that's a long time to wait on
Speaker 1: a chip that's you're not even evaluating it. Probably you're
Speaker 1: not buying into the brock Purty syndrome. Well, the veteran
Speaker 1: quarterback that's played a lot of snaps. Oh, there has
Speaker 1: been a I don't know if you saw the same
Speaker 1: article I did. The Sports Illustrated had an article that
Speaker 1: was really great this week from Connor Or that talked
Speaker 1: about the brock Purty effect. That there're people using this
Speaker 1: term around the league right now that typically guys that
Speaker 1: play a lot of snaps, the more film you put
Speaker 1: on tape, the more you give them the nitpick at quarterback,
Speaker 1: and that in the past that's been a ding for
Speaker 1: them and they'll take the chance on a Trey Lance
Speaker 1: who has a little bit of tape over the other stuff,
Speaker 1: and that purty has maybe changed the view for some
Speaker 1: people on Hendon Hooker, on Max dug On whoever else,
Speaker 1: And so you know that that's something that could end
Speaker 1: out benefiting them, could benefit Malie Cunningham, guys like this,
Speaker 1: and so I think it's interesting. I think Will Levis
Speaker 1: is a good player. I think it is when you
Speaker 1: say mal practice, I think mal practice is taking the quarterball.
Speaker 1: And again I don't think they would. But if you're
Speaker 1: not having that conversation, what are you doing? It's the
Speaker 1: most important position and you you haven't been able to
Speaker 1: get the drive from your guy two years in a row,
Speaker 1: three minutes left, go get it? How bad guy hadn't
Speaker 1: done it? Bobby. There were conversations on this exact show
Speaker 1: about would you trade Dak Prescott for the chance to
Speaker 1: draft Baker Mayfield? And unanimously but it's like yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: It's like, okay, burden the hand versus two in the bush.
Speaker 1: You've got an issue there where if you would have
Speaker 1: made that deal when people were arguing for that deal,
Speaker 1: like yeah, I would do that in the heartbeat. You
Speaker 1: know how far back this franchise would have gotten set
Speaker 1: if you've done that deal, same sort of thing you
Speaker 1: are risking setting your franchise back taking a quarterback in
Speaker 1: twenty set. You absolutely are, and then the conversation, Lordy,
Speaker 1: risk versus reward. Don't nobody want to hear that? Nobody,
Speaker 1: I personally don't want to hear about Oh the drama
Speaker 1: that comes with that. I mean, like, we just want
Speaker 1: to watch football like the ruckas it would cause would
Speaker 1: just drive itself. It don't matter what quarterback they draft
Speaker 1: or when they draft a quarterback, it's gonna bring up
Speaker 1: conversations first round. Yeah, it's gonna be the talk of
Speaker 1: the town for the first two months, and we just
Speaker 1: want to talk about all the other plays. Again, I'm
Speaker 1: moving out of that spot. I'm letting somebody else come
Speaker 1: up so I can get an extra one. Okay. That
Speaker 1: leads me to this question from Eric Ichorn, and Eric said, Okay,
Speaker 1: he's asking what players would have to be off the
Speaker 1: board at twenty six in order for you to feel
Speaker 1: that the Cowboys have been wiped out and would start
Speaker 1: to think about dropping back. Now, we all talked about
Speaker 1: players that we would take potentially at twenty six, But okay,
Speaker 1: our guys are starting not to be on that board.
Speaker 1: Are we interested in blowing the hatches on this thing
Speaker 1: and dive into the bottom. Or are we well, we
Speaker 1: just gonna stand in there and just trust the board
Speaker 1: and make the pick of whoever's on that board. I
Speaker 1: think you trust the board just because you need. I
Speaker 1: ain't gonna say you need. There's plenty of positions that
Speaker 1: you could get better from, like and make your team better.
Speaker 1: I mean specifically the offense, like I guess you want
Speaker 1: to talk about, but like, if they took a good
Speaker 1: DT at twenty six, I wouldn't be mad they took
Speaker 1: receiver at twenty six. I wouldn't be mad to took
Speaker 1: a good tight end at twenty six. I wouldn't be mad.
Speaker 1: Like if they took a good guard at twenty six,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be mad. Like is that how y'all feel?
Speaker 1: Or do y'all like it? It matters, So I guess
Speaker 1: the best way to just probably just limit it to
Speaker 1: positions to think. I think, if the guys that you
Speaker 1: were fighting for are no longer on that board, does
Speaker 1: it does it make you want to bail? Yes? I
Speaker 1: mean that makes me want to bail every time I
Speaker 1: want to bail it. If then, if the right players
Speaker 1: are out there, I guess it just comes down to, like, okay,
Speaker 1: so tackle a position running back who would have to
Speaker 1: be off the board for me to feel like I
Speaker 1: was wiped out at running back? A right Bijon Robinson
Speaker 1: would have to be off the board. Yeah, I'm not
Speaker 1: taking Gibbs at twenty six. I'm not either. I'm and
Speaker 1: I like Gibbs. It's just I'm not gonna go there
Speaker 1: for the way you two or cowards because I like
Speaker 1: Zach Charbonnay that I could take in the second round,
Speaker 1: or Taija Spears, who's an absolute beast. I talked about
Speaker 1: how damn good Gibbs is. Yeah, but I said, how
Speaker 1: you're back, How you're back? He's my RB two. I
Speaker 1: got charbonnais my RB three, and I think Charbonnai is.
Speaker 1: But you wouldn't take him pretty close already in the
Speaker 1: second round almost you wouldn't take him. You really wouldn't
Speaker 1: take it, would you. I don't know that I'm taking
Speaker 1: him with twenty six. I'd rather do you got him
Speaker 1: at your second best back? I know, but I'd think
Speaker 1: I'd rather go ahead and trade back and go ahead
Speaker 1: and get some extra jar backpital how far back? Great?
Speaker 1: You want to go back to thirty one and hold
Speaker 1: that fifth year option, or you want to go into
Speaker 1: the early second. I'm a running back, but I need
Speaker 1: the fifth year option. I think get running back is
Speaker 1: where you most need the fift year option. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know that I have that. That's where you
Speaker 1: get the most value out of it. I think I
Speaker 1: hear you there, but I don't know that I have
Speaker 1: to have it. Bijan Robinson it running back. The receivers
Speaker 1: who would have to be off the board from me
Speaker 1: would be Johnston, Addison, Smith and Jick. But the tight
Speaker 1: ends would have to be on the off the board
Speaker 1: would be Musgrave and kincaid Um all corners, I mean,
Speaker 1: you'd have to have Gonzala, Poor, Witherspoon, Gonzalez, Cam Smith, Banks,
Speaker 1: those are the corners. That about Forbes, I got on again.
Speaker 1: The size thing is very alarming. Time. I'd still Forbes
Speaker 1: is Forbes. I love Forbes, but man, he's one hundred
Speaker 1: and sixty six pounds. I'm sorry, but you know what.
Speaker 1: To be fair, I don't mean to be that guy,
Speaker 1: but I am that that guy played in the SEC
Speaker 1: played bigger, he played a high level and in the
Speaker 1: size one and issue there it was, Hey, I'm I'm
Speaker 1: team Forbes. Look to be fair. Uh yeah, he's a
Speaker 1: one hundred six pounds and there's a whole bunch of
Speaker 1: receivers coming to this class that are one seventy three
Speaker 1: and one seventy eight, and like, I mean, so, I
Speaker 1: mean there's there's plenty of I mean, you're talking about
Speaker 1: putting Forbes on DeVante Smith, who's one hundred and twelve pounds,
Speaker 1: dripping wet, and so I mean, I think we need
Speaker 1: to rethink the weight stuff. That would be that that
Speaker 1: would be the argument you could you could probably for me,
Speaker 1: I have a lot of history with this. That would
Speaker 1: be the argument you could make, would be, look there,
Speaker 1: these receivers are getting smaller too. This isn't Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: interested looking. I need to look that up. I want
Speaker 1: to see what the if you go back over the
Speaker 1: last twenty years, I want to see each five year
Speaker 1: trend of what the average weight of the receivers and
Speaker 1: if they're going down. But that would be the arguing form.
Speaker 1: But still, as athletic as he is, as good a
Speaker 1: player as he is, one hundred and sixty six pound
Speaker 1: corner is terrifying to me. What about Briane. What about
Speaker 1: Brian Branch from Alabama? I think he's tiny. I'm not
Speaker 1: taking I'm not taking any he's I like the player,
Speaker 1: but he looked small. I'm asking, is there any safety
Speaker 1: that you're okay what you're in the first round? I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't have I don't have first branches in a safety.
Speaker 1: To me, Branch is a corner. Um, yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: have a safety in the first round. There wouldn't be
Speaker 1: a safety. Okay, let me ask you this then, the
Speaker 1: way we're talking right now, we don't feel like we
Speaker 1: can get wiped out. I just said, no, there's gonna
Speaker 1: be I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Well no, I mean, and
Speaker 1: I was trying to say that is they like was
Speaker 1: wiped out to them because they have a lot of options, Yes,
Speaker 1: they have so good We're okay, you're not. We're not
Speaker 1: going to bail then, because you guys feel like that
Speaker 1: we got options there to pull, I don't. I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't know, because I mean, there have been let's
Speaker 1: look back over the past in recent years. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: I think there have been three four years in a row,
Speaker 1: and obviously CD was a different scenario. But I think
Speaker 1: there have been a few years. Twenty seventeen. I remember
Speaker 1: the chatter was there's no way you're completely wiped out
Speaker 1: on the edge rushers, and technically they weren't. T J.
Speaker 1: Watt was there, but like, you know, there's no way
Speaker 1: you're wiped out in the edge rushers. And then we
Speaker 1: saw a bunch of them, McKinley, Charles Harris, a bunch
Speaker 1: of them went right leading up to you. You had
Speaker 1: the when they were picking. Then they traded down to
Speaker 1: twelve to pick Mica, where three picks to you, and
Speaker 1: the players left on the board were sul Horn and Certan,
Speaker 1: and you're like, one of these guys, one of these
Speaker 1: might be able to sneak here, and then three boom boom,
Speaker 1: boo boom they go right no row And you know,
Speaker 1: same sort of thing last year where we were sitting
Speaker 1: there watching and going, you know, could this guy slide down,
Speaker 1: could this like like like okay Penning could get here,
Speaker 1: you could get trailing Burkes to you, somebody's going to
Speaker 1: be there, Zion Johnson, and then boom, boom boom they
Speaker 1: go down. And so I like to think maybe out
Speaker 1: of the players I listed at corner and those other positions.
Speaker 1: Maybe they one or two of them I would like
Speaker 1: to think would be there. But I've seen a history
Speaker 1: now of several years of me thinking one or two
Speaker 1: of them gets there, and then they don't. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: they're the run on a sea we got. If you're
Speaker 1: watching on the video right now, we got Brian Branch
Speaker 1: up there from Alabama. Alabama's got three safe boys. Branch
Speaker 1: did not test. Well, That's what I'm saying though. That's
Speaker 1: what I like him. I like to I would take
Speaker 1: him if he's there. See, that's the thing. I'm going
Speaker 1: to Tuscaloose, So I'm getting him faster, I'm getting him
Speaker 1: better jumps. I'm doing whatever I have to. If I
Speaker 1: like the player that much, I'm gonna do that. I'm
Speaker 1: only saying because if you're talking about I think this
Speaker 1: guy plays better close to the lot of scrimmage, I
Speaker 1: think you're absolutely right about to be in the box
Speaker 1: downhill player. Yeah. Absolutely, And he doesn't miss tackles like that.
Speaker 1: And if you are talking about there's conversation with Donovan
Speaker 1: Wilson or whatever, if you are trying to replace that,
Speaker 1: he does so much. Dude, Like I know that people
Speaker 1: think it's a quick thing like, oh yeah, you can
Speaker 1: find another Donovan, but like he's so active, he does
Speaker 1: so much for your run game. I just feel like
Speaker 1: if you are gonna get somebody to replace him, and
Speaker 1: needs to be somebody that is okay playing close to
Speaker 1: the lot of scrimmage Branch Branch has. Branch is not
Speaker 1: the most skilled player across the board. I think out
Speaker 1: of the first round type of players, there's an argument
Speaker 1: I think you could make that Branch has the fewest
Speaker 1: holes in his game for the position of like the
Speaker 1: players in the first round period, like any position anywhere.
Speaker 1: I think that Branch is the most solid across the
Speaker 1: board in terms of there's not a whole bunch of
Speaker 1: glaring issues with Brian Branch to me, let me see
Speaker 1: A that's a good point. I was kind of thinking
Speaker 1: of the guys I was looking. I think Robertson's that
Speaker 1: guy for me, you know, yeah, I'm you know the
Speaker 1: whole thing too with Porter Gonzalez, Witherspoon, those guys I
Speaker 1: need to those corners. I think I got them in
Speaker 1: the right order there. I think I do. I like
Speaker 1: wither Spelling. All right, Well, listen, thanks to everybody who
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Speaker 1: Draft show. We're gonna do a little draft and for
Speaker 1: the NFC East here. And what I've done is I've
Speaker 1: taken the team and we're gonna go in the order
Speaker 1: of how they pick. So the Philadelphia Eagles will be
Speaker 1: the first on the clock at number ten. The Washington
Speaker 1: Commanders will be then on the clock at sixteen, Your
Speaker 1: New York Football Giants will be on the clock at
Speaker 1: twenty five, and your Dallas Cowboys to be on the
Speaker 1: clock at twenty six. So we will start with the
Speaker 1: Philadelphia Eagles. Philadelphia Eagles team needs cornerback, running back, safety, linebacker,
Speaker 1: wide receiver. I'm gonna give you a choice. The Eagles
Speaker 1: can either draft Joey Poor or cornerback at a Penn State,
Speaker 1: or they can trap Bijean Robinson running back out of Texas.
Speaker 1: They can't say, hurt off feelings. What Okay, it's not,
Speaker 1: it's not, it's not. You guys discuss it. You guys,
Speaker 1: discuss it. Discuss it. Yeah, you guys discuss it and
Speaker 1: tell me who you think the best pick for the
Speaker 1: Philadelphia Goles. And I agree with you. They're gonna They're
Speaker 1: gonna break your heart one way or another. One of
Speaker 1: these players. They see the buzz, they see the buzz.
Speaker 1: Better player Bijean and undoubtedly best player to me, still
Speaker 1: the best player I've ranked in the draft. Yeah, Bijean
Speaker 1: is the better player between the two, better position value,
Speaker 1: Porter corner. I think I think Porter is the best
Speaker 1: corner in the draft. If I what I would argue
Speaker 1: for if I was Philadelphia and we're looking at Okay,
Speaker 1: we got Porter and Bijean Robinson here, how cute do
Speaker 1: we want to get? Oh? Yeah, because That's the question,
Speaker 1: is that are your windows? They get another they get
Speaker 1: another pick. You've got another pick at thirty, And I say,
Speaker 1: just if if I'm kicking this around, I go, look,
Speaker 1: we need to address corner and we need to addres
Speaker 1: Us running back. Which do I feel better about? Do
Speaker 1: I feel better about taking Bijon Robinson now and then
Speaker 1: taking Kaylee Ringo at thirty? Okay? Do I feel better
Speaker 1: about Porter now and Gibbs at thirty? I feel better
Speaker 1: about Porter and gives real quick. This is I've based
Speaker 1: this off Dane Burglar's mock draft, and so I'm giving
Speaker 1: you players like if you wanted Gonzalez or Witherspoon or
Speaker 1: one of those, they're gone. So I'm giving you players
Speaker 1: that are available to you you can talk about, because
Speaker 1: Gonzalez was already gone for a corner or This is
Speaker 1: off Dane Burglar's mock draft. And I think for Philly,
Speaker 1: we just saw the impact that having a legit corner
Speaker 1: opposite Sleigh and what it meant for their defense and
Speaker 1: they might lose Bradberry well and then but at the
Speaker 1: same token, I feel like that we also saw how
Speaker 1: having the ball in your quarterbacks hands hurt you towards
Speaker 1: the end of the season because he was banged up,
Speaker 1: and so maybe they are going into this next season
Speaker 1: saying we want to take the ball out of his
Speaker 1: hands a little bit more. We want a more dynamic
Speaker 1: run game, and they've done it by committee. But being
Speaker 1: down at the combine, it didn't sound like Miles Sanders
Speaker 1: was coming back from what I know, So you're you're
Speaker 1: you might need to address that anyway, and they petty
Speaker 1: and if they had the opportunity, but could you see
Speaker 1: Philly maybe shopping a top ten pick. Yeah, talking about it,
Speaker 1: I'm like, you might get there and people might still
Speaker 1: want a quarterback. People might still want So I don't know.
Speaker 1: I love Porter. If I'm sitting in here, I'm saying
Speaker 1: get Porter now, because I think there is a much
Speaker 1: better chance the corner class thins out at thirty than
Speaker 1: the running backs too. And even if I'm not even
Speaker 1: if I'm not getting Bajan Robinson, I think I could
Speaker 1: get Gibbs potentially at thirty. And the scheme that I
Speaker 1: run is very favorable to the running game, and I
Speaker 1: think masks some deficiencies in certain running backs, and so
Speaker 1: I think you can have success there. I need the
Speaker 1: best corner that I can get. Either way, they can
Speaker 1: bleep themselves because I love both those players and I
Speaker 1: hate them. So the group agrees that you would go
Speaker 1: for Porter here, Yeah, Porter here, and then and let
Speaker 1: rob and slide. Are you going? I think that I
Speaker 1: would go with I think I would go with Robinson,
Speaker 1: is what I would. Robinson's a better player, and I would,
Speaker 1: and then I would, and then I would, I would
Speaker 1: tag one. I'd find one of these corners on the
Speaker 1: back end. All right, we go to the commanders there
Speaker 1: now on the clock at sixteen. Their needs are quarterback
Speaker 1: with a queue, quarter back, cornerback with a C guard,
Speaker 1: tight end, linebacker. Your choices are Devin Witherspoon cornerback Illinois
Speaker 1: or Michael Mayer or any plug any one of the
Speaker 1: tight ends you want. Now you know you could you
Speaker 1: could plug it, but at this point Michael mayor I
Speaker 1: did it because he's the best tight end on my board.
Speaker 1: But you could plug in Kincaid or one of those others.
Speaker 1: But we're talking at sixteen right now. Would you take
Speaker 1: Witherspoon or Michael Mayer? And I'm wiped at quarterback at
Speaker 1: this point. Yes, you do not have a quarterback on
Speaker 1: the board. Tight end after got it? Logan Thomas see
Speaker 1: that's yeah, Yeah, this is Washington command. We're in the commanders.
Speaker 1: Oh tighter tots. Yeah. I would go with Witherspoon over
Speaker 1: May right. I've got Witherspoon rated a little bit higher.
Speaker 1: I like may Or a lot. I think he's good,
Speaker 1: but I Thomas is just he's got injury issues. You
Speaker 1: have you have Kincaid number one. I've got Kinkaid number one.
Speaker 1: He's my top tight end. Kincaid No, Musgrave, Musgrave? Cool? Yeah,
Speaker 1: who's your top tight end? Oh? Kaid? Who's Can I
Speaker 1: ask who the top offensive lineman is on the board?
Speaker 1: Do you have that? Or am I ruining your game?
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, Okay, then I won't. I'm fine. Then
Speaker 1: it's Witherspoon. I don't even think about a tight end.
Speaker 1: If it's between a tight end and the corner from
Speaker 1: from Washington. The only thing that would give me some
Speaker 1: pauses depending on what the quality of the offensive line was,
Speaker 1: because you made the good point again of like cornerback
Speaker 1: falls off far faster their offensive line and Washington, yeah
Speaker 1: you don't. You don't have a chance for Sharonski or
Speaker 1: anything like that. Okay, Yeah, then I then give me,
Speaker 1: give me Witherspoon. Yeah, and it's gonna be good because
Speaker 1: I think Ceede Lamb is gonna give him fits and
Speaker 1: he's gonna grab him and get flagged all day. You know.
Speaker 1: It's not like a Witherspoon fan. No, I'm not as
Speaker 1: high on Witherspoon as others are. I'm not either, but
Speaker 1: I would take him right there over Oh yeah too.
Speaker 1: He got to be in the right place, he does.
Speaker 1: He got to be in the right place, the right coaches,
Speaker 1: the right situation for him to see because he is
Speaker 1: such a aggressive in his attitude. Is so? I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm like, is this man a strong safety? Like he
Speaker 1: put in my notes? Is he a safety? I know?
Speaker 1: I usually we're on the same and I would think
Speaker 1: his teammates better in Martin for all the for all
Speaker 1: the chatter about Tyler Smith and how heavily penalized he
Speaker 1: was and how much he holds and what is this
Speaker 1: going to care over the next level? I think way
Speaker 1: more consistently grabbiness at corner in college translates to a
Speaker 1: grabby corner in the NFL, and that always freaks man.
Speaker 1: He does he grabs a lot. He does. I feel
Speaker 1: like he's gonna get flagged on go watch Michigan, and
Speaker 1: he costs them that game. Michigan targeted him in that
Speaker 1: final drive. He had two penalties and set up Michigan
Speaker 1: for the game winning field goal. So you guys are
Speaker 1: taking Witherspoon the grabby, yeah right? For good? Yeah? Perfect?
Speaker 1: Do you want to give him kincaide? No? Okay, thank goodness?
Speaker 1: Who are you? Who are you taking? I think I
Speaker 1: would take uh. I think I would take Witherspoon. Okay
Speaker 1: is what I would do. All right? Here we go.
Speaker 1: The New York Football Giants around the clock at twenty
Speaker 1: five needs wide receiver, cornerback with a seat, center guard, safety,
Speaker 1: linebacker Jordan Addison wide receiver USC's on the board. Emanuel Forbes,
Speaker 1: cornerback Mississippi State is on the board. Who would you
Speaker 1: take between Addison and Forbes at twenty five for the Giants? Boy,
Speaker 1: those two guys their weight combined out up to Osiris Torrance.
Speaker 1: Those are skinny players right there. I'm taking you know, Addison,
Speaker 1: and I know that Danes brought this point up before.
Speaker 1: I believe there is some familiarity in terms of what
Speaker 1: the route running and how clean he is with Addison,
Speaker 1: with Stefan Diggs and Stefan Diggs, and the success that
Speaker 1: that Giants coaching staff had with him in Buffalo. I
Speaker 1: would be really intrigued by the idea of getting a
Speaker 1: weapon like that there to Daniel Jones, especially if you've
Speaker 1: invested in your quarterback like that, I think you should
Speaker 1: start investing in some weapons for him. And so I
Speaker 1: think that's an easy Jordan Addison, real example for me too. Addison, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree. All right, let's move on to your Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 1: Then Addison's the pick at twenty four, right, Dallas Football Cowboys,
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys, Okay, needs, they're looking at corner, guard, receiver, safety,
Speaker 1: tied in here. Your name's at twenty six. According to
Speaker 1: Dan Burglar, they're on your board, Cam Smith, Dalton Kincaid,
Speaker 1: o Cyrus Torrens, Quentin Johnston. He had a corner, a
Speaker 1: tied end, a guard, and a wide receiver. Cam Smith
Speaker 1: a corner, Dalton Kinkaid, the tied end, Oh, Cyrus Torrence,
Speaker 1: the guard, Quinton Johnston the wide receiver from TCU Cowboys.
Speaker 1: You're on the clock, best player, talk it out him
Speaker 1: on your for me isiss Kinkaid is the best of
Speaker 1: If I if I felt any better about Quinton Johnston's
Speaker 1: play strength, I'd go with him. Well, I mean, but
Speaker 1: then when you talk about the size and all that stuff,
Speaker 1: and you look at Kincaid and all the stuff he
Speaker 1: can do receiver wise, no offist to Quinton Johnson. I'm
Speaker 1: just like Quinton Johnston is to me. If I felt
Speaker 1: better about his play strength, if I felt better about
Speaker 1: him getting off the line of scrimmage with press and everything,
Speaker 1: I think he is the perfect fit for some of
Speaker 1: these concepts that they're talking about running on offense next year.
Speaker 1: I just I don't know if the play strength and
Speaker 1: the toughness that the catch point is is that that's
Speaker 1: just what I'd have to have a question if somebody
Speaker 1: could convince me and the like, if I was in
Speaker 1: that room with them, and then Johnson makes a lot
Speaker 1: of plays down the field, if if the scouts could
Speaker 1: convince me, like, if there was somebody in the room
Speaker 1: like and could convince me Quinn Johnson's playstrength isn't going
Speaker 1: to be an issue. Here's why or this is why
Speaker 1: this is gonna be okay, Then I'd feel better about it.
Speaker 1: If I had any lingering questions about it, I would
Speaker 1: go probably did. But you know, I saw, I saw
Speaker 1: a guy that competes. I just I don't know that
Speaker 1: he has the He's just he gets bullied, I feel
Speaker 1: like too much for his size, like in the short
Speaker 1: and intermediate game. And that's gonna be a lot of
Speaker 1: what they're doing next year passing the ball. Yeah, well
Speaker 1: I think a lot. And I really like Quinn watching
Speaker 1: the highlights. Chris Steam's got the highlights stuff on the board.
Speaker 1: Some of it ain't got ain't gotta do with just
Speaker 1: the scheme they run also too, I mean he seemed
Speaker 1: like they're open a lot. There's times where he just
Speaker 1: takes over games like Max Duggan is just feeding him.
Speaker 1: Oh they do not. They don't make the CFP without
Speaker 1: him doing what he did in October against those ranked
Speaker 1: teams when when they went on any other one he
Speaker 1: was putting against rank teams and he was putting like
Speaker 1: one seventy and one. He absolutely is really good for
Speaker 1: what this team is going to do next year, and
Speaker 1: what he'd have to run the kind of you know,
Speaker 1: route tree that he'd run here, I would guess in
Speaker 1: all likelihood, The question to me is can he can
Speaker 1: he beat those press Man corners? Like is he gonna
Speaker 1: get knocked off his route to easy? Everything about timing
Speaker 1: and the the real specificity of it and being just
Speaker 1: dead on. I'd have to be certain that he could
Speaker 1: do that. But that against press that could be the
Speaker 1: argument to me. But I think that could be the
Speaker 1: argument for a lot of these receivers because they a
Speaker 1: lot of them are undersaged. So I mean, I guess
Speaker 1: you could say, like, can these are these guys winning?
Speaker 1: Are these guys is going to be able to win
Speaker 1: with their route running or with their power? I think
Speaker 1: place strength is something he can approve on, you'd hope.
Speaker 1: But I mean he was two o eight massive drop
Speaker 1: massive drop off and receiver in my opinion here compared
Speaker 1: to these other two positions like Kincaid. If we're going
Speaker 1: best player available for me, it's Kincaid you can find.
Speaker 1: I think corner stretches. I think tight end might stretch.
Speaker 1: I don't think receiver does. I think I'd feel better
Speaker 1: about going Quentin Johnson. Now I love Cam Smith. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I think Cam Smith would be in serious
Speaker 1: consideration here. I mean that dude talks, he plays with
Speaker 1: a swagger. I think I'd have a lot of fun
Speaker 1: pairing him with Treyvon Diggs, and they were desperate for
Speaker 1: a number two corner. If I if I take a
Speaker 1: receiver or a tight end in the first round, I'm
Speaker 1: not taking the other position till day three. You got
Speaker 1: to me. Let me change scepting here for you then
Speaker 1: a little bit. Yeah, we're not allowed on our show
Speaker 1: here to talk about specific players, but there's rumors about
Speaker 1: certain receivers that might be available. Now we could talk
Speaker 1: about Beckham, sure, okay, we could talk about him because
Speaker 1: he is on the street, but we can't talk about
Speaker 1: other things that are other unnamed veterans. If if if
Speaker 1: all of a sudden free agency they added one of
Speaker 1: these wide receivers now drafted, not taking now, not taking
Speaker 1: Quentin Johnston, take it with Smith kincaid and and go
Speaker 1: from there and Torrance, because you're probably not going to
Speaker 1: draft a wide receiver if you in fact traded for
Speaker 1: one or signed. This is tough. If you have Smith Kincaid,
Speaker 1: Torrance and you added a receiver, yeah, and it would
Speaker 1: depend on who it is, but my inclination would be
Speaker 1: Torrance is by far the last of those to me,
Speaker 1: I would probably Kincaid still why he's just disgusted. You
Speaker 1: sound like you're disgusted because I whoever you're adding in
Speaker 1: free agency is still a very short term solution for
Speaker 1: an offense that I think needs to grow together. And
Speaker 1: so because of it, Now, if you're telling me and
Speaker 1: there's no receiver out there like this, let's say there's
Speaker 1: a receiver on the trade market who's twenty four years old,
Speaker 1: who's fallen out of favor but as a stud, and
Speaker 1: they go get and acquire him and give an extension
Speaker 1: something like that. If they were to do something like that,
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, I'm changing my priorities and
Speaker 1: I'm not worried about tight end, but in terms, I
Speaker 1: need an immediate, long term weapon here in the passing game.
Speaker 1: So whether that's a receiver or tight end whatever, And
Speaker 1: I don't know that a free agent move for a
Speaker 1: veteran who's past thirty or whatever may do that for me.
Speaker 1: I also want to say, like, I feel like we
Speaker 1: have a whole bunch of faith, and I love Heney
Speaker 1: a firt, love what they do. But the tight end
Speaker 1: position is intricate. It takes time to completely understand it
Speaker 1: and to grow into it. And these guys haven't gotten
Speaker 1: they grown man body, Henny deal, he dealt with some
Speaker 1: soft tissue stuff. You know, I still think you want
Speaker 1: to shore up that room, like progressively. Like, even though
Speaker 1: those guys showed us great things this past year, I
Speaker 1: think it is kind of irrational to just be like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're totally fine there, like heck no, Like I would
Speaker 1: definitely be trying to still add to what they have
Speaker 1: because they still have a lot to learn about the
Speaker 1: position they'll they'll Yeah, I definitely would still be in
Speaker 1: favor of adding a tight end. But if I'm taking
Speaker 1: a receiver at twenty six, then I'm probably not even
Speaker 1: bothering with tight end till the fourth round though, like
Speaker 1: the because I've got other issues at play, I'm not
Speaker 1: going to add a receiver and a tight end and
Speaker 1: ignore a lot of questions at corner, questions with what
Speaker 1: you're doing at running back and all those sorts of things.
Speaker 1: I'm taking Kim Smith, I've Kinkaid and all that. I'm
Speaker 1: voting Kinkaid, Kinkaid. I'm voting Kinkaid also too, I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna fight. I mean, he's my he'd be my number
Speaker 1: one player out of the bunch. But I think they
Speaker 1: got a desperate need a corner. I think it's saying
Speaker 1: all the things that they don't grab a wide receiver.
Speaker 1: I'd take. Johnston's who I would take, Okay, all right,
Speaker 1: so you see you's who I would take. All right.
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