1 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:04,240 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:15,000 Speaker 1: of iHeartRadio. Hello, and welcome to the Friday edition of 3 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 1: Stuff You Missed in History Class. I'm Holly Fry and 4 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 1: I'm Tracy V. Wilson. We talked about drugs this week. 5 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:24,840 Speaker 1: We talked. Yeah, we talked a lot more explicitly about 6 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 1: drugs than we normally do on this podcast. Yeah, because 7 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:34,200 Speaker 1: it's such a I mean, it's such a fascinating moment 8 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 1: in history in terms of how much people are still 9 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:42,200 Speaker 1: learning about the various ways that militaries have deployed stimulant use. 10 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 1: There is one thing that I want to mythbust a 11 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 1: little right out of the gate. Okay, there is footage 12 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 1: of Adolf Hitler at the nineteen thirty six Olympic Games 13 00:00:57,160 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 1: that has been shown in a number of places with 14 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 1: a number of people weighing in, and a lot of 15 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 1: people are like, oh, he's one hundred percent tweaking, He's 16 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 1: on meth. At this point, that does not actually appear 17 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:09,120 Speaker 1: to be the case. Arian Hitler was a mess in 18 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 1: many ways. However, nineteen thirty six was before purvetson was developed. Okay, 19 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:18,399 Speaker 1: he certainly was probably on some stimulants. Although it looks 20 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 1: like that video is probably looped, it's also worth noting 21 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 1: that he had idiopathic Parkinson's disease. Oh so he had 22 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 1: some uncontrollable movements anyway, and I think somebody picked up 23 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 1: one of those and kind of looped it. And it 24 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 1: does look very much like he is, you know, tweaking. 25 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 1: It's a lot of him rocking and kind of like 26 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:45,479 Speaker 1: a frantic mo thing, repeating movements the way you would 27 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 1: associate with someone that is is on methamphetamine. But while 28 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 1: he did certainly take it later, that particular piece of 29 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 1: footage at the Olympics, I think most historians do not 30 00:01:55,520 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 1: think is actually showing that happening. Just FYI, if you 31 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 1: see somebody saying that's what that is, fact check it. 32 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 1: One of the things that I kept thinking about while 33 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 1: doing this research, which was not enjoyable research. This is 34 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:11,359 Speaker 1: like hard aside from the fact that there's a lot 35 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 1: of German language stuff to figure out. It's yucky to 36 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:17,360 Speaker 1: hear about the things that people were going through, and 37 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 1: I tried to not get super graphic in things that 38 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:22,960 Speaker 1: were happening in terms of side effects. But one of 39 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 1: the things that kept my brain functional through all of 40 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:29,920 Speaker 1: this in terms of like associating it with something lighter 41 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 1: or more enjoyable. Did you ever play Call of Duty? No? 42 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 1: Not really. My husband loved it when it had first 43 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 1: come out, and you know, it has some very beautifully 44 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 1: rendered in terms of historical war games, some really beautifully 45 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:50,520 Speaker 1: rendered for the time maps and whatnot that are in 46 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 1: many ways quite accurate. But the funny thing was, you know, 47 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 1: you kind of get to this point where there appear 48 00:02:56,600 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 1: to be like zombies that are on the Nazi side, 49 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 1: and I was like, this was this game inspired by 50 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 1: somebody reading about pervertent use? And I don't know, but 51 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 1: it made me think of video games and that always helps. 52 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 1: Sidebar having nothing to do with pervertent use, but just 53 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 1: as a fun factoid for all of my movie people, 54 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:20,839 Speaker 1: and particularly movie soundtrack people, if you love the work 55 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:24,919 Speaker 1: of Michael Giacchino. He did the score for Call of Duty, 56 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 1: I think for two of those games, and they're beautiful. 57 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:30,959 Speaker 1: That's where we discovered him. I remember bro, my beloved 58 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:32,959 Speaker 1: saying to me at one point, Man, the score for 59 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 1: this game is like unnecessarily good. Yeah, and it is, 60 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 1: which I find interesting. Anyway, I have a kakamemy. It's 61 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 1: not even a theory. I have a kakamemy. I wonder 62 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 1: if anybody's ever explored this. Okay, we mentioned in the 63 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 1: episode that both East and West Germany had kind of 64 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 1: stocked up on pervetin as their tensions, you know, went 65 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 1: on forever, and that pervetin was taken off the market 66 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty. Like that was when it stopped being manufactured, 67 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 1: which seems so recent. I know that's a long time 68 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 1: ago for many people, but like that's during our lifetimes. Yeah, yeah, 69 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 1: that a methamphetamine was relatively easy to get with the prescription. 70 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 1: But then I was like the Berlin Wall fell a 71 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 1: year after they stopped making it. Yeah, chill out when 72 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:26,040 Speaker 1: you know, I was reading the outline and you were 73 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 1: talking about East and West Germany, and I was like, 74 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 1: what what ear? Did the wall come down? Huh? So 75 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:33,600 Speaker 1: I had kind of a similar thought. Well, I'm glad 76 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:37,159 Speaker 1: it wasn't just me. Then, Yeah, I'm glad it wasn't 77 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:41,360 Speaker 1: just me. I had one particular tricky bit early on 78 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:43,599 Speaker 1: in my research, which is that and I say this 79 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 1: in case anybody else starts to go looking at things. 80 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:53,040 Speaker 1: M hmm. Some accounts including I mean it's an older article, 81 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 1: but including a Time magazine article. Get Fritz has shoulds 82 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:03,359 Speaker 1: name wrong? And they call him Friedrich? Huh? And it 83 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:06,839 Speaker 1: made the searching very confusing for a little bit. Yeah, 84 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 1: so if that happens, it's it's Fritz. So it's not 85 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 1: like his name was Friedrich and Fritz was a nickname 86 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:17,360 Speaker 1: or anything like that, not based on anything I saw. Okay, 87 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 1: I could be wrong, but everything I saw had his 88 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:24,840 Speaker 1: name only like that was that really had accounts of 89 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 1: his life and like pharmacological papers that talked about his 90 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 1: life that gave his full name. I don't remember his 91 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:33,360 Speaker 1: Middley moth. The top of my head. It was always Fritz, 92 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 1: no Friedrich. But I could be wrong, but it does 93 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 1: create some confusion if you're searching. Have I ever told 94 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 1: you about I'm so this is embarrassing, but it wasn't 95 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:45,239 Speaker 1: my fault. But it was hilarious after the fact. About 96 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 1: the time I accidentally took speed at work. I this 97 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 1: is ringing a bell, but I don't remember the details. 98 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:57,800 Speaker 1: This is not at our work in the long time 99 00:05:57,839 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 1: we have worked together. It preceded this, and I was 100 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:03,279 Speaker 1: working at a company that I don't want to call 101 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 1: out because I don't want anybody to think like that 102 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 1: they're black A day'sical. I think this is literally just 103 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:10,720 Speaker 1: an instance of things falling through the cracks because this 104 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 1: company contracted with another company that would maintain and manage 105 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:18,920 Speaker 1: our first aid kits. Like we had a breakroom had 106 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:20,719 Speaker 1: a big first aid kid on the wall that had 107 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 1: all of your standards stuff like things for actual emergency use, 108 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 1: but also things like you know, yeah, your basics, like 109 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 1: your end SAIDs, you know, a little tail and all, 110 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:38,279 Speaker 1: et cetera. And I listen, this was in the early 111 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:40,479 Speaker 1: two thousands when you still went to work when you 112 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:43,160 Speaker 1: had a cold. Sometimes. I know that's not great, but 113 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 1: it was definitely a job where I couldn't afford to 114 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 1: take a day off in what I was doing in 115 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 1: the projects that we had going on at the time. 116 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 1: So I had a bit of a cold and I 117 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 1: went to work and I took cold medicine from the 118 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 1: cabinet right and about an hour later, I was just 119 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 1: like like, I was like Eve Bruele. I was crazed. 120 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 1: And I remember saying to my work husband at the time, 121 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 1: I feel crazy, I'm I'm and he looked at my 122 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 1: trash can and picked up the little packet, the single 123 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 1: use packet, and he flipped it over and it was expired. 124 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 1: It was from pre two thousand and four. Had a 125 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 1: drin in't it? Okay? Wow? I just had to ride 126 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 1: it out that day. Yeah. I felt so sweaty and 127 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 1: weird all day long. Yeah, did not enjoy it. Did 128 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:38,239 Speaker 1: not enjoy it. Listen, I did a lot of stupid 129 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 1: things when I was very young, but as an adult, 130 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 1: I'm so boring. I drink a lot of coffee and 131 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 1: I like a cocktail, but that's I'm very boring. I 132 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 1: feel like that story is just one hundred percent not 133 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 1: your fault, and no it wasn't. But it was like 134 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 1: I just had that thing of like, uh, oh, I'm 135 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 1: working in a big corporation and I'm on speed. What 136 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 1: if today's the day? HR asked me a question. Oh no, yeah, 137 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 1: because you get paranoid and I'm already a little anxious, 138 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 1: and it just triggered it in the biggest way. It 139 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 1: was so funny. Yeah, in retrospect, but at the time, 140 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 1: I was like, I don't know how this one packet 141 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 1: and I mean it was if I had paid attention, 142 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 1: which this parts on me you know, if you've ever 143 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 1: used one of those like big cabinets of meds. Yeah, 144 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 1: it's like a little tiny It's like it's a little 145 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 1: tiny thing, just big enough to hold whatever tablet is 146 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:40,679 Speaker 1: in there, with tiny tiny print on it. But like, 147 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 1: in looking at it after the fact, I was like, 148 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 1: the other cold medicines in that cabinet were all very 149 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 1: clearly newer, but it had just not occurred to me 150 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 1: that I was taking a packet that looked a little 151 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:58,680 Speaker 1: long in the tooth. And so that's what happened. But again, 152 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 1: I hope that never happens to anybody, because it's not fun. 153 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 1: A little surprise adrenaline is not enjoy I'm not an 154 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:09,960 Speaker 1: adrenaline junkie to begin with. I'm like, lie down, adrenaline, 155 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 1: let's all chill out. But that was not enjoyable. I 156 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 1: also wanted to ask you if you are old enough 157 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 1: to remember the episode of Family Ties where Alex p. 158 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 1: Keaton starts taking speed. I said yes, really confidently, because 159 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 1: I think I thought you were going to say a 160 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 1: different thing. Oh, because that was an era of very 161 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:49,320 Speaker 1: special episodes of television. Yeah, so I'm pretty confident I 162 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 1: have seen that because I have I watched that show, 163 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 1: but I'm also thinking about, well, what was the what 164 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:03,080 Speaker 1: was the name of it? I don't I'm blanking out 165 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:05,240 Speaker 1: on the name of this show that I watched. All 166 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:09,440 Speaker 1: of it is just not in my brain currently. But 167 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:11,960 Speaker 1: there was a whole plot line in one episode where 168 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 1: one of the characters took a lot of some sort 169 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:18,680 Speaker 1: of stimulant in order to prepare the bell. It was stay, 170 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 1: thank you, it was saved by the bell. Thank you 171 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:23,560 Speaker 1: for saving me from losing my mind. Yeah, but they 172 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:27,560 Speaker 1: also had one not remember saved by the bell. I mean, 173 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:31,680 Speaker 1: all that fine work to memory. Here's what I will 174 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 1: say if anybody in our listening audience is curious and 175 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 1: is like what. There was an episode of Faveratized. So 176 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 1: the plot was that Alex needed to study for a 177 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 1: big exam and he convinced his sister to get diet 178 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 1: pills from her friend. Okay, I should give him an 179 00:10:55,600 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 1: energy boost. Yeah, and then he of course becomes addicted, 180 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:03,079 Speaker 1: which is very funny because like the concept if you 181 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 1: never watched Family Ties, was that their parents had been 182 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 1: like these Berkeley hippies, and Alex P. Keaton was like 183 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 1: this very straight laced, yeah, right wing kid like that 184 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:17,560 Speaker 1: was his former rebellion super uptight, but the parents did not. 185 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:19,120 Speaker 1: It took a long time for them to be like, oh, 186 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 1: something's up with this kid. But if you ever go 187 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 1: looking for this episode, be fore warn that there is 188 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:28,720 Speaker 1: a lot of really really creddy fat phobia in it. 189 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 1: Oh no, yeah, because the deal that gets made is 190 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 1: that this friend will give him diet pills if he 191 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:36,840 Speaker 1: will go out with her, and he doesn't want to 192 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 1: go out with her because she's a fatty. Like it's 193 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:42,319 Speaker 1: really gress, it's really gross, So just know that going in. 194 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 1: But it is also like eighties television, yeah, which you know, 195 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:55,760 Speaker 1: which was an era of incredibly obvious fat phobia on TV. Yeah, 196 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 1: very unkind, And I mean it comes up repeatedly throughout 197 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 1: the episode where it's like we got it, we got it. Anyway, 198 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:05,440 Speaker 1: I all of this was top of mind this week. 199 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 1: It's not about an amphetamine episode, but like that has 200 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:16,439 Speaker 1: reminded me of Designing Women. Wound up on one of 201 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 1: the streaming services and I remembered loving that show so 202 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:24,240 Speaker 1: much and started watching it and was like, wow, this 203 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 1: show is really fat phobic all the time, like all 204 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 1: oh yeah, oh yeah continually, which I just you know, 205 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:38,320 Speaker 1: having grown up in an era that was steeped in it. 206 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 1: It had not really registered until twenty however many years later, 207 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 1: thirty forty years later, how many decades later, Oh my goodness. 208 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 1: I mean that's the case with the lot of a 209 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 1: lot of shows that we loved growing up. When you 210 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:55,840 Speaker 1: go back and revisit them and you're like, like, I 211 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 1: struggle with Maud, which I loved, I should which probably 212 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 1: says a lot about I ended up who I am 213 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 1: and I love me some b Arthur Goodness knows, But 214 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 1: like when I go back and rewatch it. She was 215 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:08,720 Speaker 1: so needlessly mean to her husband a lot of the time, 216 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 1: I'm like, that's not feminism, that's just kind of being 217 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 1: a mean spouse, like right right, But that was the 218 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 1: guys of it anyway, speed use methamphetamine right in the military, 219 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:27,200 Speaker 1: I do. I do marvel at how much it was, 220 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:30,760 Speaker 1: Like we kind of know that people aren't like accurate 221 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:33,840 Speaker 1: about things, but they're they're so energetic, and I'm like, 222 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 1: why is that? Okay, sure I don't I don't get it, 223 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 1: but I'm not a person commanding Nazi troops. No, I 224 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 1: don't know. If they tried to explain it to me 225 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 1: that I would get it any better. But yeah, okay, 226 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 1: it's kind of where I land. It does really really 227 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:59,080 Speaker 1: freak me out that that Kanti is positioned sometimes without 228 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:03,959 Speaker 1: the context of who he really was. It really really 229 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 1: riles me up. Like, don't make it sound like this 230 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:12,000 Speaker 1: dude was competent or like ethical in any way. Do 231 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:14,880 Speaker 1: not like I feel like anytime you talk about it, 232 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 1: you had to do what we did and make clear 233 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 1: like no, no, please don't think because he was horrifying anyway. 234 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 1: I know there's not always room for all of that 235 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 1: context for everybody writing an academic article or a quick 236 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:46,080 Speaker 1: news article. But man, no, we talked about an earthquake 237 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 1: in Lisbon inspired by a trip to Morocco. Yeah, which 238 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 1: still feels a little weird. I thought as I started 239 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 1: researching it that I might have more Morocco to talk 240 00:14:56,640 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 1: about than I did. Yeah, because even and when I 241 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 1: tried to find things that were specifically about Morocco and 242 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 1: about this earthquake, they were vague and did not add 243 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:12,800 Speaker 1: a lot of substance. Yeah. One of the things that 244 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 1: I watched was a video. It was a video lecture. Now, 245 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 1: I'm not going to get into the specifics, because I 246 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 1: do not want to anyone to go harass this person. 247 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 1: But the person who was speaking clearly did not speak 248 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:35,440 Speaker 1: English as their first language, and they described the catastrophe 249 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 1: of this earthquake with the pronunciation catastrophe. And I was 250 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 1: so delighted. That sounds beautiful actually about catastrophe. And it 251 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 1: made me really appreciate all of the beautiful whimsy and 252 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:56,960 Speaker 1: delight that you can find when you just appreciate that 253 00:15:57,080 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 1: it's fine for people to pronounce words different. I knew 254 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 1: exactly the word that was meant, the word that was 255 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 1: meant with catastrophe. The pronunciation of catastrophe brightens my day 256 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:12,760 Speaker 1: a lot. That also would be a great pet or 257 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 1: character name. Yeah, yeah, Monsieur Catastrophe is here for tea. Yeah. 258 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 1: And as he walks in, things just break all around him. 259 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:29,760 Speaker 1: I'm just there's a whole animated series pooling out in 260 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:33,720 Speaker 1: my head now, a catastrophe. It's funny that you mentioned 261 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:38,120 Speaker 1: animated series. Oh yeah, because the whole time we were 262 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 1: talking about this, I was wishing that someone would make 263 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 1: maybe an animated series, maybe a comic book, maybe a 264 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 1: movie that's like a prequel prequel, prequel, prequel to Pacific Rim, 265 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 1: where all of this is an unsutt old Kaiju that 266 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:05,879 Speaker 1: happens to be in the Atlantic. Oh, I would sew 267 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:10,200 Speaker 1: one hundred percent watch an eighteenth century Pacific Rim. Yeah. 268 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:12,480 Speaker 1: I mean, you can't have the Yagers because there's no 269 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:15,639 Speaker 1: Yeager program yet, but the rest would be Listen, Gierm 270 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:17,560 Speaker 1: del Toro wants to make a movie. I'm showing up. 271 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:20,880 Speaker 1: That's all there is, sure, And I loved Pacific Rim, 272 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 1: But I did think about kaiju a lot while we 273 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:29,280 Speaker 1: were talking about the various places that reported unusual seismic 274 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:35,720 Speaker 1: or oceanic activity during the kind of yeah, the surrounding months. Yeah, well, 275 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 1: and it makes sense that if you don't really know 276 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 1: what has happened on the other side of the ocean, 277 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 1: that you might attribute it to some other weird thing. 278 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:47,679 Speaker 1: But I did really like how clear it was that 279 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:50,960 Speaker 1: once people in other places that saw these effects knew 280 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:54,159 Speaker 1: that there had been an earthquake in Lisbon on that 281 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 1: same day, that they made the connection it's kiju, And yeah, 282 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:02,520 Speaker 1: you just rolling over or just rolling over in his sleep, 283 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 1: it's all. Maybe it's two of them and their babies 284 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:12,320 Speaker 1: and they're having an argument with each other. You got 285 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:15,680 Speaker 1: a whole fan fiction. I wasn't even ready for there. Yeah, 286 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:20,960 Speaker 1: I don't know. It just occurred to me. Jim Henson's 287 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:28,159 Speaker 1: Kaiju babies be like Muppet babies, only Kaiju. That's the joke. Okay, 288 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 1: it's the joke. That's why I said Jim Henson's gotcha babies. 289 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:34,840 Speaker 1: I didn't hear the word Jim Henson's over the sound 290 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:37,760 Speaker 1: of my own giggling, and so I missed the joke. 291 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:41,520 Speaker 1: So one of the things, the other things that I 292 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:45,159 Speaker 1: thought about a lot in this episode was just about 293 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:49,400 Speaker 1: what goes into a natural disaster, Like there is the 294 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:54,120 Speaker 1: thing that happens, the event, the earthquake or the flood 295 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:58,360 Speaker 1: or the hurricane or the avalanche or whatever. There's that 296 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 1: thing that happens. But then also what can turn it 297 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:08,080 Speaker 1: into a very horrific story is the response to that disaster, 298 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 1: Like does a government take any kind of action and 299 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:15,639 Speaker 1: what action is that? And we have had other episodes 300 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 1: that have been about other events in history, maybe not 301 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:20,679 Speaker 1: a thing that would we would think of as a 302 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:23,480 Speaker 1: natural disaster, but where the response to it made everything 303 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:27,119 Speaker 1: so much worse. So like the Great Famine in Ireland 304 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:31,719 Speaker 1: was made so much worse by a lot of it 305 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 1: government in action, and some of that in action being 306 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 1: maintaining the status quo of food products being shipped out 307 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:43,119 Speaker 1: of Ireland because they were they had been raised to 308 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:45,040 Speaker 1: be sold, not to be food for the people who 309 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:48,440 Speaker 1: were living there. And I just was that kept thinking 310 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:50,399 Speaker 1: about stuff like that as I was working on this 311 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:53,920 Speaker 1: and seeing all the all the steps that were taken 312 00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 1: to try to make things as undeadly as possible and 313 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:03,880 Speaker 1: the aftermath of this earthquake. Yeah, I mean, as disaster 314 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:09,160 Speaker 1: response initiatives go, this one seems like it was led 315 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:15,280 Speaker 1: with concepts of kindness and genuine care, which theoretically should 316 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:18,440 Speaker 1: be how it always is, but isn't how it always is. Yeah. 317 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:21,879 Speaker 1: I would be willing to bet that if you really 318 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:26,639 Speaker 1: dug into things like who was prosecuted for looting, you 319 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:29,840 Speaker 1: would probably find trends there that would be reflective of 320 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:34,920 Speaker 1: society rights and prejudices within society. Oh yeah, But it 321 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:38,200 Speaker 1: also definitely feels like there was a just a coordinated 322 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:42,520 Speaker 1: effort to save as many people as possible, rebuild in 323 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 1: as sensible a way as possible. We didn't really get 324 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:49,680 Speaker 1: into them, but there were definite efforts on the parts 325 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 1: of academics and scholars to try to save as many 326 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:57,200 Speaker 1: records as possible from you know, the rubble of buildings 327 00:20:57,240 --> 00:21:00,400 Speaker 1: that had been destroyed, or trying to peace to gather 328 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:04,880 Speaker 1: collections that had been lost from other collections that were unaffected. 329 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:09,680 Speaker 1: It was really across the whole spectrum, and this whole effort, 330 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:12,359 Speaker 1: like what was this thought of sometimes as like the 331 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 1: first modern disaster response disaster response effort also being a 332 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 1: part of the modernization of Portugal, which other countries thought 333 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 1: Portugal was really behind on before this happened. That really 334 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:29,359 Speaker 1: struck me that here's the country that the rest of 335 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 1: Europe is like, oh, Portugal, and they're the ones that 336 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:33,960 Speaker 1: are like, we got this, we have a plan, we're 337 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 1: putting initiatives in place, we're moving very quickly, we have 338 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 1: a bias for action, like that's the goal. It's an 339 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:49,199 Speaker 1: interesting juxtaposition, and I wonder I'm sure there's been writing 340 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:53,960 Speaker 1: about how perceptions of Portugal changed in the wake of that. Yeah, 341 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:57,399 Speaker 1: it was alluded to and things that I read but 342 00:21:57,480 --> 00:22:03,280 Speaker 1: not really talked about. The There is also a Lisbon 343 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:08,879 Speaker 1: Earthquake Museum about earthquakes in general and also this earthquake specifically, 344 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:10,639 Speaker 1: and I'm like, I kind of want to go to it. 345 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 1: Get The website has lots lots of helpful information, but 346 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:21,119 Speaker 1: also the museum itself looks really interesting to me. So yeah, 347 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:25,080 Speaker 1: maybe someday in the future we will have a history 348 00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 1: trip to the Portugal. I don't know book it can say? 349 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:32,040 Speaker 1: Book it? Who can say? I'm not sure if there 350 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:36,640 Speaker 1: are any spots still available in our upcoming trip this 351 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:42,439 Speaker 1: September slash October for Octoberfest. Checked in a minute, I 352 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:46,200 Speaker 1: know we were getting pretty slim yeah, on remaining spots, 353 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:50,680 Speaker 1: so we were sold out on single rooms, but there 354 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:54,440 Speaker 1: was still availability for double rooms. I'm looking, I'm looking 355 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:58,880 Speaker 1: it up, you're looking, Holly's looking, uh, sold out, sold out. 356 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:02,800 Speaker 1: The trip is you can join a waitlist if you 357 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:05,760 Speaker 1: are interested and didn't get in on it, because other 358 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:10,560 Speaker 1: people do cancel sometimes and other people slide into those slots. 359 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 1: Define Destinations will reach out to people I presume in 360 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 1: the order in which they got on the waitlist. Yeah, 361 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:19,119 Speaker 1: but yes, right now it is listed. If you go 362 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:21,760 Speaker 1: to the main page, it says like few remain, But 363 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:23,920 Speaker 1: if you go to the actual booking page, they both 364 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:27,800 Speaker 1: say sold out. It says sold out. Okay, Well, if 365 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 1: anyone is curious about it, want to see if maybe 366 00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:34,440 Speaker 1: you want to get on the waitlist. It is at 367 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 1: Defined Destinations dot com is the website where that all 368 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:46,719 Speaker 1: that information is. And then I've already forgotten what the 369 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:49,119 Speaker 1: name of our tour is this time, since we've been 370 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:52,520 Speaker 1: talking about Morocco this whole this whole time, Munich, Octoberfest 371 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:54,960 Speaker 1: and Prague. Yes, that is the one where you will 372 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:57,320 Speaker 1: find the description of this and the place to get 373 00:23:57,320 --> 00:23:59,199 Speaker 1: on the waitlist if you would like to do that, 374 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:04,399 Speaker 1: whatever's coming up on your weekend. I hope it's gonna 375 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:08,600 Speaker 1: go as well as possible for everyone, and I hope 376 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 1: you know, if things are busy, if things are stressful, 377 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:13,000 Speaker 1: I know they're stressful for a lot of people, that 378 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 1: you're able to take a moment, some moments for yourself. 379 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 1: We'll be back tomorrow with a Saturday classic and something 380 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:28,280 Speaker 1: brand new on Monday. Stuff you Missed in History Class 381 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:32,360 Speaker 1: is a production of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, 382 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 1: visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen 383 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:37,119 Speaker 1: to your favorite shows.