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Speaker 1: Hi guys, Nancy Grace here. Welcome to Part five of

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Speaker 1: for being our partner. Welcome to Session five. Daycare dangers, babycenters,

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Speaker 1: nannies from hell, not on my watch. You know. Sometimes

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Speaker 1: I drive past the twins school and I wonder what's

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Speaker 1: going on in there? And yes, when they were in

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Speaker 1: place school, that was me outside looking in the window.

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Speaker 1: Is that wrong? But why? Why did I do it?

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Speaker 1: Because I am haunted. I'm haunted by true life cases

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Speaker 1: for students have been abused, mistreated, harmed, or even killed

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Speaker 1: by their care givers, the very people that moms and

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Speaker 1: dads trust with the ones they love the most, whether

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Speaker 1: it's a babysitter, a high class nanny from an elite agency,

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Speaker 1: or a paid by the our daycare. We as a

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Speaker 1: nation leave our children in the care of others so

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Speaker 1: we can work. My mother did it so she could

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Speaker 1: punch a calculator. Her mother did it so she could

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Speaker 1: stand up all day and work in a factory. My

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Speaker 1: daughter will probably do it one day, as will my son,

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Speaker 1: just because we have to leave them so we can

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Speaker 1: work does not mean we cannot protect them. The pain

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Speaker 1: I felt as a crime victim would be magnified ten

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Speaker 1: thousand times over if that victim were my child. I

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Speaker 1: don't think I could live with myself if I made

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Speaker 1: a bad decision in child care and it resulted in

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Speaker 1: even a bruise. You may have the best school, you

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Speaker 1: may have who you think is a great babysitter, nanny

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Speaker 1: or daycare, but very often we I can't see the danger,

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Speaker 1: but there is a method of protecting your child when

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Speaker 1: out of your sight. I don't want to be that

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Speaker 1: parent asking why, and I don't want you to be

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Speaker 1: that parent either. My child a victim over my cold

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Speaker 1: dead body. Where do I start? How can we go

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Speaker 1: to work and ensure that our children are safe? Straight

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Speaker 1: out to you, Francy Haikes. I'm concerned specifically about children

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Speaker 1: too young to speak for themselves. That would be inference.

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Speaker 1: And the seminal case on Nanny's from Hell, Louise Woodward.

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Speaker 1: I covered that case life and I will never forget it.

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Speaker 1: The parents very educated, very wealthy, and affluent. I think

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Speaker 1: both of them were doctors, and they looked along and

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Speaker 1: hard before they went to an agency that sent them.

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Speaker 1: Louise Woodward. Now she was a brit and you know

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Speaker 1: a lot of Americans are taken in by the sophisticated

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Speaker 1: British accent. She seemed very worldly in a good way.

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Speaker 1: She loved Broadway. She was accomplice, she had an education.

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Speaker 1: Everything what went wrong.

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Speaker 2: Well, she had three days of training. It turns out

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Speaker 2: three days of training. She went from babysitting occasionally, as

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Speaker 2: most young girls do even today, to being a full

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Speaker 2: time nanny of two children, including Matthew Epan, who was

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Speaker 2: only eight months old when.

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Speaker 1: She murdered him. You know, there was a lot of

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Speaker 1: discussion about what happened with baby Mattie, and I'm trying

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Speaker 1: to think of ways that I can take that tragedy

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Speaker 1: other people. For instance, you have an infant that can't

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Speaker 1: speak for itself, what do you look for? What are

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Speaker 1: the signs that your babysitter or your nanny is a danger.

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Speaker 2: You have to look for things like mystery bruises that

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Speaker 2: which eight month old Matthew clearly was not. Then you

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Speaker 2: have to look at his nonverbal cues. How did he

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Speaker 2: Or did he cry? And again you look for injuries,

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Speaker 2: Is he drinking all the bottles that he's supposed to

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Speaker 2: Does the child seem healthy and happy? Those are really

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Speaker 2: the big signs still love for well.

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Speaker 1: Those are of course non verbal cues because the baby

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Speaker 1: can't tell you. I'm all about nanny Kim's and home security.

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Speaker 1: It's not just for intruders. When I first had the twins,

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Speaker 1: I had not only a babysitter, but a second babysitter

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Speaker 1: very often I would have the two babysitters and my

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Speaker 1: freaked out by cases, just like Louise Woodward and the

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Speaker 1: brutal death of baby Mattie Matthew Apen. What was the

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Speaker 1: cause of death with Matthew Apen.

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Speaker 2: Well, it looked like what we called then we called

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Speaker 2: a shaken slamming case. So it looked like the baby

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Speaker 2: had brain injury and a two and a half inch

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Speaker 2: skull fracture. And I just want to emphasize, you know this, Nancy,

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Speaker 2: from being a prosecutor, I just want to emphasize, it's

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Speaker 2: actually not easy to fracture a baby's skull. They're a

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Speaker 2: little bit soft, they're a little bit malleable. That's why

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Speaker 2: you'll hear forensic medical examiners say on the witness stand

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Speaker 2: when they see injuries just like this that it's the

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Speaker 2: same kind of injury we'd get in a car crash,

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Speaker 2: that kind of terrible impact injury. So it's shaken.

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Speaker 3: Baby, silver can have infants will have impact which is

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Speaker 1: That you don't get that from falling off the sofa.

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Speaker 2: No, you absolutely don't. And that's what Matthew even had.

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Speaker 2: The medical examiner found specifically that he had a skull

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Speaker 2: fracture that it looked to him to be blunt force trauma,

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Speaker 2: which is not the same as you would get in

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Speaker 2: a fall injury. And I know in that case they

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Speaker 2: went and they measured all the surfaces. Louise Woodward told

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Speaker 2: police at one point that she had dropped him on

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Speaker 2: the floor, but by the time trial came around, it

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Speaker 2: was I popped him onto the bed, and because that

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Speaker 2: she claimed to drop him on the floor. But you know, Nancy,

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Speaker 2: that is classic child murderer defense. Well he fell or

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Speaker 2: I just dropped him a very short distance. All they

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Speaker 2: ever do is minimize what's happened. But in that minimization

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Speaker 2: you get a kernel of truth.

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Speaker 1: Well, also, there is a shaken baby syndrome, which is

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Speaker 1: a close head injury. It's deadly, it's fatal. When you

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Speaker 1: or do whatever it is the adult wants it to do.

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Speaker 1: They shake the baby and what that does is cause

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Speaker 1: a coup contrac coup effect. That means that brain actually

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Speaker 1: permanent brain damage that ends very often in death. What

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to say is when you come home and

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Speaker 2: The often show signs of that brain injury early. There's vomiting,

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Speaker 2: there's lethargy, there's oftentimes the baby has trouble staying awake.

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Speaker 2: These are all symptoms that something is wrong with your child,

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Speaker 2: something's wrong with the child's brain, and oftentimes that's how

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Speaker 2: parents figure out there's something wrong. But by the time

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Speaker 2: the child has been vomiting for some time, then the

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Speaker 2: and it's too late.

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Speaker 1: So what can I learn from this? The parents used

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Speaker 1: a good agency. She had references, and I'm curious about references.

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Speaker 2: So there's one thing that I think we need to

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Speaker 2: be doing as parents. There are no second chances when

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Speaker 2: you read the story, this woman was breaking rules, staying

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Speaker 2: out late, drinking, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. And

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Speaker 2: the parents probably felt like, we're in too deep. We

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Speaker 2: and they kept giving her more chances. There are no

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Speaker 2: second chances. As soon as you break the first rule.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, you're not going to be in charge of

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Speaker 2: my children.

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Speaker 1: And there were warnings as innocent as they may be,

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Speaker 2: And being a little belligerent with them about the rules,

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Speaker 1: So there was some butting of heads. An angry babysitter

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Speaker 1: taking care of your baby. Recent killings in New York

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Speaker 1: where the children were killed by the nanny who had

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Speaker 1: never exhibited any sign mental illness of any sort. In fact,

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Speaker 1: help me clean up. You know, I'm working all the time.

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Speaker 1: Then she and nanny fell overburdened and overwhelmed and killed

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Speaker 1: the children. That was her answer to being stressed out,

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Speaker 1: So she slaughtered those children. That's a horrible case. Its

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Speaker 1: appearance from yours a nightmare because we as moms are

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Speaker 1: overridden with guilt because we have to leave our children

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Speaker 1: to make a living, to support our children. We want

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Speaker 1: we want to work, and we want to be a

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Speaker 1: great mom. And so you're already feeling guilty about it.

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Speaker 1: A lot of moms. Are you trust this babysitter, You

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Speaker 1: they're harming your children. Those are two extreme cases, but

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Speaker 1: it happens quite often with babysitters and nannies. But concerning

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Speaker 1: about the Louis Woodworth cases, they think they've got this

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Speaker 1: Krim de la Krem, this great posh agency. When you're

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Speaker 1: looking at references, it's not just they went to school here, yes,

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Speaker 1: I've known her this long. I need references from other

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Speaker 1: families where they have been a babysitter or a nanny.

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Speaker 1: Now do you go about finding someone you can trust

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Speaker 1: to babysit your children.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think first all you have to think of

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Speaker 2: it as is, do not say go on to Craigslist. No, no,

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Speaker 2: it wasn't point too. Don't worry. Never, that's never going

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Speaker 2: to come out of my mouth for any reason. You

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Speaker 2: have to think of it as a pyramid, stacking of security.

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Speaker 1: As a pyramid.

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Speaker 2: The base really is things like background checks, criminal checks,

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Speaker 1: Do you recall the case of Cooper film, and it's

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Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about daycare. First of all, I don't

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Speaker 2: Oh absolutely so in my mind, you know, stop beating

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Speaker 1: Right, it doesn't have to be that accident. That brings

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Speaker 2: Well, and to your point, social media can be a

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Speaker 2: If you're not checking out on social media at a minimum,

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Speaker 1: The story of Baby Autumn is one that seems to

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Speaker 2: so the babysitter flew into a rage and killed her.

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Speaker 2: I mean, she killed her over a jacket. We'll never

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Speaker 2: know really what happened, because every time these women, it

432
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Speaker 2: seems like it's almost always women in these caregivers. Every

433
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 2: time these caregivers murder a child in their care, we

434
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,359
Speaker 2: only have their side of the story, and of course

435
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:52,000
Speaker 2: they minimize what has happened. I suspect that she brutally

436
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:57,080
Speaker 2: injured that child very purposefully slamming her somewhere or hitting

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Speaker 2: her with something causing that level of head trauma.

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Speaker 1: She was only three years old and the parents had

439
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 1: tried so hard to have a child and they finally

440
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Speaker 1: get baby Autumn and she loses her life that way.

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Speaker 2: This child had a black eye and bloody lips and

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Speaker 2: I think a split chin while she was in the

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Speaker 2: care of the babysitter, So there were signs. Now, I'm

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Speaker 2: assuming that she probably gave the parents, because you know,

445
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Speaker 2: a three year old fall down. I'm sure she gave

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00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:34,520
Speaker 2: them good explanations. But those are definitely red flags that

447
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:39,360
Speaker 2: should have led to a nanny camp, further investigation, maybe even.

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Speaker 1: Calling in zero tolerance and zero But becau's the thing

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Speaker 1: about the nanny cams. I let the babysitters know that

450
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Speaker 1: there are nanny cams. In fact, I call them and say,

451
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Speaker 1: John David is crawling up the bookcase right now. If

452
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Speaker 1: you would just turn around, you could see that. Or

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Speaker 1: did you turn the lights off and so and so room?

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Speaker 1: Or could she turn the lights on outside? If I

455
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,359
Speaker 1: had to be out of town early night watching, yeah,

456
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Speaker 1: I'm watching, deal with it. And if you don't like it.

457
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Speaker 1: Don't cast a check and go somewhere else, Cleanny. I mean,

458
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna be watching. It sounds sort of silly.

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Speaker 2: We don't have any kids in the house, but we

460
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:22,119
Speaker 2: have a pet cam so that when we go out

461
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Speaker 2: of town for extended periods of time, I can make

462
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Speaker 2: sure that our pet sitter is actually coming in and

463
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Speaker 2: taking care of our pets. I mean, if I had

464
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Speaker 2: a child, I would certainly be doing that minimum amount.

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Speaker 1: So they're very very low costs. As a matter of fact,

466
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 1: you can now get them tied in with your cable company.

467
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:44,439
Speaker 1: It's so easy to do. You can get them online

468
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:46,879
Speaker 1: stuffed into a teddy bear if you want to keep

469
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 1: it a secret. But I like to put it out

470
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:51,679
Speaker 1: there with a secret, and that's right, it's not a secret.

471
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Speaker 1: I am watching. As you know, there are the issues

472
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Speaker 1: of over medication at daycares and with babies and nannies

473
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:02,880
Speaker 1: when they don't want to deal with the baby, they

474
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Speaker 1: put the baby's sleep with, say Ben Adrill. Yes, really

475
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Speaker 1: have to watch out when your child is lethargic when

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Speaker 1: you pick it up. Children aren't supposed to be a lethargic.

477
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,360
Speaker 1: They're not tired. I may be dragging my tail at

478
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Speaker 1: the end of the day. But they are full of energy.

479
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Speaker 1: They want to stay up all night. We can model that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So when they are lethargic, that's a big red flow.

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Speaker 2: And when a daycare center or a service or a

482
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Speaker 2: home daycare has too many children, that's when we hear

483
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Speaker 2: about those cases because that person and I just really

484
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Speaker 2: oppose one person at a daycare too on every level.

485
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Speaker 2: But when it's one person, they can't handle that many children,

486
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Speaker 2: and that's what happens. They medicate those kids so that

487
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 2: they can either go watch television and eat in peace,

488
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Speaker 2: or just not deal with the children generally and put

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Speaker 2: them all to sleep effectively.

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Speaker 1: Here's another issue with babysitters and daycares. Who else comes

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Speaker 1: to visit. You know, you may have a babysitter or

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Speaker 1: a nanny. You don't want their boyfriend riding up on

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Speaker 1: his motorcycle and coming in to watch a movie and

494
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 1: have a beer. No, you don't know that boyfriend, You

495
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 1: don't know anything about them, and you don't want that

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Speaker 1: person around your child. Just like in the home. Don't

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Speaker 1: expose your children if you can help it to the

498
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Speaker 1: TV repairman, the cable guy, the phone guy. No, you

499
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 1: don't know them. You don't want them watching your child. No,

500
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 1: that gives them an opportunity to get to know your

501
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 1: child and plan to abduct your child. I know it

502
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 1: sounds crazy, but it happens, Francy. It does happen. It

503
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 1: does happen.

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Speaker 2: And what's really frightening is that if your child sees

505
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 2: the cable guy come in or the refrigerator repairman and

506
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 2: sees you talking to him and bantering about with him,

507
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 2: if that person comes back when you're not home, that

508
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 2: child feels like they know that person. That is a

509
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 2: huge risk to expose your child to someone you can't

510
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Speaker 2: possibly know their background, So you.

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Speaker 1: Don't want them pulling up ten minutes after you drive

512
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Speaker 1: out of the driveway or go down the elevator. You know,

513
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Speaker 1: we're talking about nanny cams and babycams. A big fear

514
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 1: now is baby monitor hacking. And it happens where people

515
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 1: can get control of your baby monitor. It's on a frequency,

516
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 1: and if you can get into the frequency, you can

517
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Speaker 1: see what's happening in someone's home.

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Speaker 2: It's been really the video baby monitors. But even now

519
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 2: we've got Alexa in our house and everything's wired together.

520
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 2: And if you don't think people can see your stuff

521
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 2: through your webcams and through your TV sets and every

522
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Speaker 2: technology device in your house now is able to be hacked.

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Speaker 1: How do we go about preventing the hacking. So a

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Speaker 1: lot of people don't want to get them because they

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Speaker 1: I don't want to be hacked.

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Speaker 2: That's well, it's all about cyber security. It's generally about cybersecurity.

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Speaker 2: There's really two things you need to worry about if

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Speaker 2: you have any kind of a baby monitor or frankly

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Speaker 2: a webcam on.

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Speaker 1: Your laptop, which we all do now, or on your iPad.

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Speaker 2: That is first, you have to worry about whether or

532
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 2: not you're keeping up with security updates on your phone,

533
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 2: your iPad, you your laptop, and your baby monitor. More importantly, though,

534
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 2: is your own wireless router. If you're someone who has

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00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 2: an unsecured wireless router, you are really begging for trouble

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00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 2: in your house because then they can get into every

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Speaker 2: single device that you have, So have good password security

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00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 2: on both the baby monitor and the router. Don't have

539
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 2: the same password security. One of the things of all

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Speaker 2: these cases of recent baby monitor hacking, the parents all

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Speaker 2: admitted that when they first opened the box and turned

542
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Speaker 2: on and installed the baby monitor over the internet. They

543
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 2: just left it at the default password, which you can

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Speaker 2: find online, just like you can for any device that

545
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 2: you have. It's zero zeros. Here's here are one, two, three, four.

546
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 2: If you forget it, you too can go online to

547
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 2: get the original manufacturer's password. So the first thing you

548
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 2: have to do is change that and make it something secure.

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00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 2: Think a little bit about cybersecurity. Do you want someone

550
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 2: walking in your house and rummaging around your things. That's

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00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 2: why you have locks on your doors and alarms. Think

552
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 2: of your computers the same and your router the same ways.

553
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 2: Those are gateways into your home. You've got to secure them.

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Speaker 1: It's overwhelming, and it's easy to be lulled into a

555
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 1: sense of complacency. It won't happen to me, It will

556
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 1: happen to them because they did X, Y and Z,

557
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 1: which I would never do. That's not true. These types

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Speaker 1: of crimes happen across the boards, regardless of your race, socioeconomics, education.

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00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 1: Look at baby Maddie's parents, both of them physicians from

560
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 1: fantastic schools in a wealthy and affluent neighborhood. Maybe Maddie

561
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 1: is dead through no fault of theirs. It happened to them,

562
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 1: It can happen to us unless we stop it. That

563
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 1: was a tidal wave of information. Let's boil it down. Daycarees, babysitters,

564
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 1: nannies from hell. Let's tackle daycare first. Good indications of

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00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 1: high quality childcare. First of all, there should be small

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Speaker 1: groups of children. Look for two staff in the room

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Speaker 1: at all times. Is the changing station where everybody can

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00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 1: see it? You want that? Are there windows so you

569
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 1: can see through the doors? Now in some states there

570
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 1: are quality rating systems and websites that you can check

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Speaker 1: when you're looking for daycare. You want regular visits from

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Speaker 1: a child care health consultant in that daycare, that's every

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00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 1: one to three months. Always make sure the daycare is

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Speaker 1: licensed by the state at the very least. Ask about

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Speaker 1: staff turnover. You want low staff turnover. Make sure the

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00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:30,839
Speaker 1: daycare runs background checks on all the employees, including a

577
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:35,759
Speaker 1: criminal record check and a motor vehicle record check. You

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00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 1: don't want some woman with eight DUIs taking care of

579
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 1: your baby. If she'll drive drunk, will she take care

580
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:47,359
Speaker 1: of your baby drunk? And remember, while background checks can

581
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 1: show you red flags, you should take the interview process

582
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 1: and reference checks very seriously in order to get the

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00:34:56,239 --> 00:35:00,360
Speaker 1: full picture of your future care giver. You think of

584
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:06,959
Speaker 1: safety as a pyramid background checks, criminal history references, then

585
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 1: making observations. Drop in whenever you feel like it, especially unannounced.

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00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 1: If they don't want you to show up unannounced, then

587
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 1: you don't want them. That's a problem. Does your daycare

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00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 1: have a nanny kim and can you stream into it?

589
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:33,759
Speaker 1: If not, why not? Childcare is expensive, but choose to

590
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:37,959
Speaker 1: spend your money on the safety of your children. Let's

591
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 1: think about your babysitter. First of all, don't want your

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00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 1: babysitter or nanny bring over the boyfriend. Okay, you don't

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00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 1: know him and you don't want him in your home

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Speaker 1: around your children. Remember, with babysitters zero tolerance, there are

595
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Speaker 1: no second chances when it comes to taking care of

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Speaker 1: your child. A great tip use social media and your

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00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:12,839
Speaker 1: personal circle to find a good babysitter or nanny. Research

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00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 1: your caregivers, babysitters nannies on social media. Look at what

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00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 1: they post on Facebook. If every other picture is them

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00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:24,879
Speaker 1: holding a drink or a joint, you don't want them.

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00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 1: Hold your caregivers accountable. Get a nanny cam. Tell them

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00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:37,800
Speaker 1: you're watching, it's not a secret. What if your child

603
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 1: can't tell you what's wrong? Think about signs of abuse

604
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 1: and distress in your children. Does your baby cry or

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00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 1: put up a fight when it's time to go to

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00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:55,719
Speaker 1: daycare or when the sitter walks in the room. Have

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00:36:55,840 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 1: you ever come home to find unexplained bruises, gratches, or injuries.

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00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 1: Have you noticed changes in the behavior of your children?

609
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 1: Have they become especially clingy? Do they isolate themselves? Or

610
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 1: have they turned overly aggressive? Have they begun to wet

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00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 1: the bed when it didn't happen before. Do they exhibit

612
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 1: more infantile behavior than normal? Do they suddenly begin complaining

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00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 1: of tummy aches or headaches when the babysitter shows up

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00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 1: or after being with the babysitter. If your child is

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00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:45,760
Speaker 1: lethargic after being at daycare or with a babysitter, you

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00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 1: must take them to urgent care or call the doctor immediately.

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00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 1: Hows your babysitter or caregiver describe your child in a

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00:37:56,840 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 1: negative way, belittled your child, or seem apathetic towards your child?

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00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:09,280
Speaker 1: Have they behaved irrationally to your knowledge? Do they seem

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00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:14,319
Speaker 1: harsh with discipline. Do they act controlling or jealous with

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00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 1: family members? We have to discuss sex abuse. Does your

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00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 1: child have itching or an injury to their genital area?

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00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 1: Do they have any difficulties sitting down or walking? Have

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00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:38,399
Speaker 1: they demonstrated sexual knowledge or curiosity beyond their age? That's

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00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 1: a warning sign about your caregiver. The moment you suspect

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00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 1: abuse or neglect, remove your child as quickly as possible.

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00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 1: Take your child to a pediatrician or a health care

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00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:59,240
Speaker 1: provider to be examined immediately. Doctors, social workers, nurses, psychologists

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Speaker 1: are requi wired under the law to report cases of

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00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 1: suspected abuse. As to baby monitors, practice good password security

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Speaker 1: on your monitor, your computer, and the router. Do not

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00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 1: use the default password on the baby monitor. You can

633
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 1: look up the default password online. Please update your security

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00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 1: updates on a regular basis. Please consult the materials that

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00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 1: we have given you. In addition to this series, there

636
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Speaker 1: are downloads. There's information and even more tips regarding babysitters,

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Speaker 1: nannies and daycares from Hell