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Speaker 1: now at patreon dot com. Slash Jenkinsan Jones. I think

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Speaker 1: it was John sent us the Billboard tweet that there

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Speaker 1: were fourteen rap albums in the top Billboard Top one hundred,

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Speaker 1: which is the lowest number in like twenty something years.

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Speaker 1: Ten years ago it was forty seven. And I think

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Speaker 1: the even crazier thing about it being fourteen albums is

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Speaker 1: only three of them came out this year, which led

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Speaker 1: to the four of us are having a conversation with

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Speaker 1: the group chat about first of all, how sad that is,

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Speaker 1: and then second of all, is this the cyclical thing

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Speaker 1: that we've seen in rap music our whole lives, or

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Speaker 1: is this rap transitioning to a place that like jazz

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Speaker 1: or other serious art forms that had a lot of

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Speaker 1: energy behind them have gone where it becomes almost more

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Speaker 1: of an academic thing, that is more of an old

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Speaker 1: person thing that like, it's not kids doing saxophone battles

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Speaker 1: in the hallways of high schools and ship anymore, obviously,

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Speaker 1: So what what you know? What do you what do

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Speaker 1: y'all think about it and uh and uh you know

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Speaker 1: what are your what are your thoughts?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, going back to the whole cyclical thing,

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Speaker 2: you know that you mentioned, like we've seen rap have

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Speaker 2: its levels, have its ups and downs, right, And the

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Speaker 2: thing is that throughout rap history, we always saw like

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Speaker 2: shifts happen, right, Like we would see a rapper come

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Speaker 2: along and like you know, kind of kill the old

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Speaker 2: guard and bringing like the new guard, like we saw

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Speaker 2: Rock Kim, you know, kill kill the old school. We

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Speaker 2: saw like DMX kill the Shiny Suit era. We saw

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Speaker 2: like you know, no Limit Cash Money, crunk, the crunk movement,

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Speaker 2: the trap movement. We saw that like kind of ushering

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Speaker 2: the era of the South's dominance, shifting that from New

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Speaker 2: York's dominance. So it's it's something that always happens in rap,

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Speaker 2: Like we saw Kanye and the Blog era rappers, they

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Speaker 2: shift the ship from like the gangster rap to like

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Speaker 2: the non tough guy rap too, right. So it's it's

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Speaker 2: something that that frequently always happens where you know, we

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Speaker 2: have these lulls and some new blood comes in, rereads

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Speaker 2: some new life into the genre, and the genre shifts over,

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Speaker 2: you know, to a better place than it was before,

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Speaker 2: but it's just I don't know, I don't know, I'm

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Speaker 2: not I'm not knowing if that's gonna happen this time.

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Speaker 2: I'm not knowing if there's gonna be like a new rapper,

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Speaker 2: you know, some new talent that's gonna come along and

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Speaker 2: shift shit. So I am a bit concern about like

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Speaker 2: the genre, because the genre right now, it's just it's

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Speaker 2: just way too niche, right, Like it's like like like

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Speaker 2: we were talking like, you know, of course we've got

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Speaker 2: the the Elder Statesman, the Drake's, the j Coles, the Kendricks,

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Speaker 2: who are you know, kind of the king of that generation,

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Speaker 2: like the generation under them? You would probably say Travis

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Speaker 2: Scott is the biggest rapper in that on that tier, right,

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Speaker 2: and he is incredibly popular, but he still feels niche,

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Speaker 2: you know, he still feels like he's kind of in

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Speaker 2: a niche like like he's not the popular that fifty

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Speaker 2: cent was, where he was undeniable and everybody loved him

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Speaker 2: and your Mama loved him and Oprah logged right, right, Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: Travis Scott is not that type of famous and that's

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Speaker 2: that's kind of what concerns me, is that it feels

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Speaker 2: like rap is just becoming so compartmentalized. It's not being

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Speaker 2: the I mean, of course rap is still like a

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Speaker 2: global phenomenon, but it's just we're not having these stars

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Speaker 2: who are just undeniable and global sensations. And you know,

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Speaker 2: I try not to sound like the old nigga in

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Speaker 2: the club, like a grandpa here, because I never lose

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Speaker 2: sight that rap is a young man's sport, right. But

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Speaker 2: the thing is, back in the day, Bro, we were

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Speaker 2: having young rappers who were undeniable that whole you know,

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Speaker 2: this same for you, just for the youngins. It didn't

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Speaker 2: apply as widely to rap as it does now. Right, Like,

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Speaker 2: we had fucking fifty cent he was twenty seven, the

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Speaker 2: biggest music act in the world for like a year

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Speaker 2: or two after he dropped at Richard Truck Dit Try,

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Speaker 2: And we had fucking outcasts who are like twenty six.

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Speaker 2: You know, when Oure three thousand dropped Hai and that

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Speaker 2: was the biggest fucking song on the planet. We had

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Speaker 2: like Eminem and Ja Rue and Nelly and they were

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Speaker 2: all like twenty five and they were the biggest acts

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Speaker 2: of music. And now it doesn't seem like that's the case.

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Speaker 2: Bro like, I just don't think you can you can

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Speaker 2: do the whole you know this ain't for you, old man.

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Speaker 2: I don't think you can explain away rap on some

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Speaker 2: you know, paint with that brought up a brush. Right now,

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Speaker 2: I do think that there's like kind of a problem

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Speaker 2: with star power right now, with with with the genre