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Speaker 1: And welcome in lay. Kick is Live. It is Sunday Night,

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Speaker 1: February twenty seventh of the over Over twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 1: jam packed high at top a festive and sunny for

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Speaker 1: a change, downtown Nashville, Tennessee. Happy to have you alongside.

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Speaker 1: Got a lot of interesting things happening in the world

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Speaker 1: of well streaming entertainment tonight that a lot of us

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Speaker 1: are jacked up for. But this is wall to wall

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Speaker 1: college football. It's very quiet. If you haven't noticed around

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Speaker 1: the SEC A lot of you think that's a good thing. Nope,

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Speaker 1: that means disasters probably right around the corner. We're going

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Speaker 1: to talk about that to lead the show off in

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Speaker 1: just a second. A lot of you want balance in

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Speaker 1: college football too, and everyone's screaming every which way, but

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Speaker 1: up about a theory ast how we can achieve that

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Speaker 1: fabled balance, that competitive balance, even though we've never had

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Speaker 1: it in the history of the sport. People think, in

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Speaker 1: typical unicorn fashion, it's over there, just around the corner. Well,

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Speaker 1: to some extent, you may be right, just for the

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Speaker 1: wrong reasons. I will detail momentarily. Paying players got a

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Speaker 1: question about this in the old late kick inbox and

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Speaker 1: I'm going to go down a road that I don't

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Speaker 1: typically like going down tonight, only because I don't like

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Speaker 1: what the truth is. It's not convenient for my argument.

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Speaker 1: But in the interest to full disclosure, I will give

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Speaker 1: you the real, give you the behind the curtain on

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Speaker 1: why paying the players has a lot of people both

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Speaker 1: right and wrong in the same conversation. All that plus

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Speaker 1: the Oregon Mood Tracker. The Mood Tracker series continues tonight

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Speaker 1: on Late Kick and we will Hey, we'll start spring

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Speaker 1: and well now if you're a Missouri and in a

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Speaker 1: few weeks, all across the country. So very very interesting

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Speaker 1: times in the Mood Tracker, and we're going to continue

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Speaker 1: to do that as we turn our way on through spring.

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Speaker 1: The Twitter spaces idea is a go Just stay tuned.

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Speaker 1: That's all I can tell you at Late Kick, Josh,

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Speaker 1: make sure you're following on the social platforms. Stay tuned.

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Speaker 1: You know, I used to do something down in Columbus

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Speaker 1: know why we stop doing it, but it's just simple

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Speaker 1: shout outs. Add someone DM me the other day I

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Speaker 1: think it was yesterday, and say hey, I live in Salisbury, Maryland,

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Speaker 1: would pronounce it. The locals pronounce of Salisbury. Now, I

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Speaker 1: don't believe in that anymore than I believe syrup should

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Speaker 1: be pronounced syrup. But it's not my town, it's your town.

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Speaker 1: So Jesse Colin. They are watching us tonight in Salsbury

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Speaker 1: and Maryland, and they're watching us tonight also in Rexburg, Idaho.

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Speaker 1: I think it's a first for us to hear from Rexburg. Now,

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Speaker 1: So thank you so much. Wherever you're tuned in tonight

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Speaker 1: you for being tuned in. We're giving shout outs. We're

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Speaker 1: giving geographical shout outs on the show from now on.

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Speaker 1: I don't ever know why I got away from that.

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Speaker 1: So look, let's dive into this. We need to have

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Speaker 1: a nice, honest, open forum here to start the show

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Speaker 1: tonight about approval ratings, but not presidential We don't delve

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Speaker 1: coaching approval ratings, because we have some very unprecedented in

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Speaker 1: it's time show us or we're moving on. Where is it?

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Speaker 1: instinctively said that. To me makes me proud because that

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Speaker 1: means the work that we're doing around this time every

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Speaker 1: Sunday night and Thursday night is working. But the more

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Speaker 1: I thought about it, you were right, and so yes,

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Speaker 1: certainly everything you need for t ball practice and everything

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Speaker 1: you need for maybe softball practice or soccer or everything

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Speaker 1: that you're about to do in the spring. I'm going

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Speaker 1: to buy a bike at some point from academy. Yes,

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Speaker 1: that's available at Academy, But man, if you weren't dead

436
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Speaker 1: on the money accurate, everything I need for storm chasing

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Speaker 1: there is too. But what do I have to do

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Speaker 1: with Jesse at SMH. Well, I started running down the

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Speaker 1: list of things that we need for storm chasing, and

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Speaker 1: I'm just casually rattling off everything that's normally in my

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Speaker 1: go bag, and I mentioned gloves, and Jesse looks at

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Speaker 1: me like a confused baby seal and says, you need

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Speaker 1: gloves for gloves and stormchains are you talking about? And

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Speaker 1: I said, Jesse, how many search and rescue operations have

445
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Speaker 1: you ever been in? And he said non. He was

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Speaker 1: the shruggy emoji. Gloves are imperative, second only to shoes

447
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Speaker 1: and headgear. Gloves are imperative. A lot of broken glass,

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Speaker 1: a lot of darkness, a lot of really really unfamiliar

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Speaker 1: places geographically, Gloves imperative. Hey, you got them in abundance

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Speaker 1: at Academy Sports and Outdoors. So I don't know what

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Speaker 1: you're planning to do this spring. I'm telling you what

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Speaker 1: I'm planning to do. But I'm also saying in the

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Speaker 1: next sentence, no matter what you are planning to do,

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Speaker 1: in all likelihood, especially if it has to do with

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Speaker 1: the outdoors, Academy Sports and Outdoors has you hooked up

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Speaker 1: in every way imaginable And they have us hooked up

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Speaker 1: every week, and we thank them for that. We had

458
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Speaker 1: we had an interesting couple of weeks that just went

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Speaker 1: by with the college football playoff and all that, and

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Speaker 1: I didn't want to do another playoff segment tonight directly,

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Speaker 1: but you remember what was it about a week ago?

462
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Speaker 1: We were doing a segment about the playoff and I

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Speaker 1: was sharing my thoughts when we were reacting to the

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Speaker 1: playoff news that it's not going to expand until twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty five or six or whenever it is, and what

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Speaker 1: I tried to do so I tried to show you

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Speaker 1: there's a lot more common ground here. But then the

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Speaker 1: other thing I want to do emphasize to you is

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Speaker 1: a lot of people want the playoff expanded because they're

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Speaker 1: searching for something else. They don't just want to look

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Speaker 1: at a bigger bracket because it looks pretty. You're wanting

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Speaker 1: to expand the playoff because it's a means to an end.

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Speaker 1: You're trying to get to a final destination in college football,

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Speaker 1: and so Colin, here's a better endpoint for you. So

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Speaker 1: with that in mind, I decided to talk about this

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Speaker 1: on tonight's show. A lot of complaints about college football. Obviously,

477
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Speaker 1: a lot of you want to expand the playoff, and

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Speaker 1: people are upset with how targeting is enforced, yours truly included.

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Speaker 1: But what's the number one complaint if you guys, were

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Speaker 1: to stop and think for a second, maybe maybe you

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Speaker 1: make this complaint, but at the very least you hear

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Speaker 1: this complaint right along with me. What is the number

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Speaker 1: one complaint that most folks have about college football right now?

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Speaker 1: It probably sounds something like this, tired of the same

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Speaker 1: teams winning all the time. I'm tired of there being

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Speaker 1: the same three or four teams with a choke hold

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Speaker 1: on the sport, and it seems that there's a glass

488
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Speaker 1: ceiling on ninety five percent of these programs and they

489
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Speaker 1: just can't break through. I would give you counterpoints to

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Speaker 1: back up that that may not be entirely true, but

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Speaker 1: I understand the larger argument there. The larger argument is true,

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Speaker 1: there are a few programs that stand out above the rest.

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Speaker 1: Kind of has always been that way, but I will

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Speaker 1: grant you, over the past several years, it's really really

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Speaker 1: stood out, really been emphasized. That is one of the

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Speaker 1: most popular arguments around the college football water cooler. Ironically,

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Speaker 1: it also coincides with one of the least understood things

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Speaker 1: in college football, and that is how to solve that problem?

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Speaker 1: How do you achieve the balance that everyone so desperately

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Speaker 1: longs for in college football? Well, a lot of folks think,

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Speaker 1: like we just talked about, like we've talked about for

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Speaker 1: a long time. A lot of people think that that

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Speaker 1: change comes through an expanded playoff. The thinking out there,

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Speaker 1: which I do, I agree with it all, But the

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Speaker 1: thinking out there is, you expand the playoff. Therefore more

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Speaker 1: teams make the playoff every year. Therefore, by default, some

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Speaker 1: teams are going to make it in for the first

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Speaker 1: time every year. Therefore, those teams and programs are going

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Speaker 1: to be able to go out on the recruiting trail

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Speaker 1: and they're going to be able to sell to student athletes.

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Speaker 1: This is a place now where you have a chance

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Speaker 1: to play for a national championship, whereas in the past

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Speaker 1: you didn't. Now I can tell you I think the

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Speaker 1: impact will be negligible. I don't think it will have

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Speaker 1: a dimes worth of an impact, and it certainly will

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Speaker 1: have fractionally the impact that a lot of people expect

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Speaker 1: that to. I say this based on interaction with actual

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Speaker 1: high school recruits. They don't talk about that stuff. Fans do,

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Speaker 1: media folks do. The players don't talk about it. They

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Speaker 1: don't talk about them going to a college program. Because

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Speaker 1: I'll have access to the playoff. In fact, they don't

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Speaker 1: even talk about winning a championship at the forefront of

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Speaker 1: their decision making. They do want to be in a

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Speaker 1: position to compete at the highest level. They do want that,

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Speaker 1: they want to be developed, and they want to play

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Speaker 1: in the NFL. That's what they want. And that's not

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Speaker 1: really going to change even if you have a sixty

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Speaker 1: four team playoff. But since everyone wants to talk about

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Speaker 1: the expanded playoff, then the next sentences, oh and by

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Speaker 1: the way, when you expand the playoff and more teams

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Speaker 1: making in the playoff, well, then slowly, maturely, will infuse

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Speaker 1: a little more parody and a little more balance into

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Speaker 1: recruiting rankings. It won't happen that way. I'm very confident

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Speaker 1: in saying that. But I am here to tell you

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Speaker 1: it doesn't have to be that way anyway, cause it's

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Speaker 1: not like I'm telling you that. And then in the

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Speaker 1: next Senate saying and that's the bottom line, because stone

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Speaker 1: Cold said, so, there is no alternative. There is an alternative.

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Speaker 1: There's one that actually makes sense. There is a very tangible,

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Speaker 1: very theoretically achievable alternative out there that actually could produce

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Speaker 1: all the results you're looking for. You don't even have

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Speaker 1: to mess with the playoff. Do whatever you want to

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Speaker 1: with it. You don't have to mess with the playoff though.

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Speaker 1: There could already be some factors in play, and so

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Speaker 1: I wanted to tell you where those could come from.

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Speaker 1: They come from recruiting. That's the name of the game,

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Speaker 1: always has been, always will be talent acquisition. And it

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Speaker 1: doesn't change because the playoff format changed any more than

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Speaker 1: running a lawnmower over a weed stops the weed from going.

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Speaker 1: The weed just grows back. If you want to kill

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Speaker 1: a weed, obviously you got to attack it by the root. Well,

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Speaker 1: there's a big problem, at least for those of you

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Speaker 1: who want a lot more balance in the sport. There's

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Speaker 1: been a big problem over the last several years in

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Speaker 1: this country when it comes to college football, and it

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Speaker 1: stems from places like California and Texas and Florida where

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Speaker 1: there is an abundance, just a wealth of talent that

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Speaker 1: has not stayed home. In fact, it is left home

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Speaker 1: and gone to a few places like Tuscaloosa and Clemson

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Speaker 1: and Columbus, Ohio to such a disproportionate degree that those

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Speaker 1: programs have won national championships in some cases because of

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Speaker 1: taking your talent. But that just sounds broad, that's overarching.

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Speaker 1: Here's our word of the year so far, anecdotal that

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Speaker 1: could be anecdotal in nature. Well, it's not so. What

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Speaker 1: I had our production executives do today, and boy did

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Speaker 1: they ever do it. I said, let's just look at

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Speaker 1: all the foreign five star talent from those three states

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Speaker 1: over the past eight years, and let's illustrate exactly how

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Speaker 1: big this talent drain has been. Because I'm going to

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Speaker 1: summarize all this with a very simple conclusion in a

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Speaker 1: second that will give you the balance that you're looking

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Speaker 1: for in college football. Colin, Let's start in California. The

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Speaker 1: state of California twenty fifteen to twenty twenty two, in recruiting,

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Speaker 1: thirty nine point seven percent of four and five star

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Speaker 1: players remained in the state, meaning over sixty percent of

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Speaker 1: the four and five star players left the state In

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty alone. Bryce Young went to Alabama, dj Uyanglilay

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Speaker 1: goes to Clemson. C J. Stroud goes to Ohio State,

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Speaker 1: which are the three poster children. As far as I'm

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Speaker 1: concerned for the programs that have raided all three of

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Speaker 1: these areas to a very very high degree. Those were

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Speaker 1: three of the top quarterbacks in America. If I change

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Speaker 1: even one of those, think about how different things seem

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Speaker 1: right now. Now there's a change that's happened in California

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Speaker 1: just in the last month or two, and that's at

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Speaker 1: head coach at Southern cal So. Yes, is there some

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Speaker 1: hope to be had here? Sure there is. We'll talk

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Speaker 1: about that in just a second. But think about that,

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Speaker 1: under forty percent of the in state talent four and

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Speaker 1: five star in variety has stayed home in California. Let's

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Speaker 1: go to Texas. What about the lone star state. I

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Speaker 1: would argue Texas has not been nearly as big a

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Speaker 1: culprit here as the other two. But State of Texas

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Speaker 1: two thousand and twenty two, going all the way back

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Speaker 1: to twenty fifteen, fifty two point three percent of four

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Speaker 1: and five star players have stayed home. Forty seven point

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Speaker 1: seven percent have left. Now. Look, jimbo Fisher has had

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Speaker 1: a lot to do with this. Tom Herman had a

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Speaker 1: lot to do with this. Even though Texas didn't capitalize

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Speaker 1: on the talent, they kept a lot of the talent home.

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Speaker 1: Texas has kept more than half of their in state

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Speaker 1: four and five stars home the past eight years. But

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Speaker 1: think about the names, and think about the impact these names.

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Speaker 1: I've had Jalen Waddle, for example, even in a good

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Speaker 1: year otherwise for Texas, one of the biggest impact offensive

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Speaker 1: players in America. Top ten NFL draft pick goes to Alabama.

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Speaker 1: Ohio State's loaded up off the state of Texas. JK.

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Speaker 1: Dobbins at, Jeff Okuda, Garrett Wilson, Jackson Smith, and Jigba

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Speaker 1: all those guys go to Ohio State from the State

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Speaker 1: of Texas like a little pipeline has been built. It's

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Speaker 1: not over. In fact, it gets a whole lot worse

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Speaker 1: when we get down to the Sunshine State. I love

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Speaker 1: visiting the state of Florida, been down there a lot recently,

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Speaker 1: But whoo Florida. State of Florida, twenty fifteen to twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty two, forty point one percent of in state four

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Speaker 1: and five star players have stayed home. Nearly sixty percent,

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Speaker 1: nearly six out of every ten four and five star

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Speaker 1: players in the state of Florida have left the State

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Speaker 1: of Florida. Famously, Alabama beat Ohio State a couple of

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Speaker 1: years ago in a National Championship game in which every

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Speaker 1: member of Alabama secondary was from the state of Florida.

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Speaker 1: Here are some guys who don't play defense who have

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Speaker 1: left Florida to go to Alabama. You've probably heard of

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Speaker 1: some of them. Amari Cooper's one of them, Calvin Riddley

625
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 1: is one of them, Jerry Judy's one of them, Alex

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Speaker 1: Leatherwood's one of them. And then you got the guys

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Speaker 1: like patzer Tan and Jordan Batlan, Josh Job. There was

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Speaker 1: a guy named Derrick Henry that chose to leave the

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Speaker 1: state of Florida to go to Alabama. They have won championships.

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Speaker 1: They have done no less than win championships off the

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Speaker 1: back of the talent that they have taken from the

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Speaker 1: state like Florida. And they've gone into Texas and they've

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Speaker 1: gone into California. My question to you is how do

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Speaker 1: you change that? Well, it's very simple. The way you

635
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Speaker 1: change the dominance from a few programs when they're taking

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Speaker 1: your talent is to do something that doesn't let them

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Speaker 1: take your talent as much. No one is going to

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Speaker 1: shut off Alabama recruiting. No one's going to shut off

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Speaker 1: Ryan Day. The question is not whether you can completely

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Speaker 1: make him go over in your state. The question is

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00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 1: what would happen if they had a couple less kids

642
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 1: that caliber from your state per cycle. That's why guys

643
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 1: like Lincoln Riley going to USC or Mario Christoval going

644
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 1: to Miami, or Jimbo being at Texas A and M

645
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 1: Steve Sarkeesian and his staff being at Texas, Billy Napier

646
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 1: and the staff he's putting together at Florida. That's why.

647
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 1: That's the key. While everyone out there, while the casual

648
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 1: society of college football is arguing about what an expanded

649
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 1: playoff is going to do for parody in this sport,

650
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 1: it's not going to do anything for the sport that

651
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 1: doesn't first change here. This is how you change it

652
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 1: at the root level. You're trying to run the lawnmower

653
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 1: over the weed. It doesn't work. This is how you

654
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 1: fundamentally change it. You lock down at least to a

655
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 1: greater degree, South Florida. And then if Mario misses on kids,

656
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 1: don't let it be to Alabama. Let it be to

657
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 1: University of Florida or Florida State, Texas and Texas A

658
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 1: and M. To be honest with you, I don't have

659
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 1: a whole lot of concern about. I think one of

660
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 1: the programs that has the most right now is Oklahoma.

661
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 1: Oklahoma has gone a long way in fortifying this run.

662
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 1: They've been on from getting guys from the state of Texas,

663
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 1: and they've gotten some guys from California too, and that

664
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 1: was Lincoln Riley recruiting. Let's see if that continues. You know,

665
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 1: the nil thing not to mention, just a couple of

666
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 1: really good recruiting staffs in the state of Texas. Right now.

667
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 1: I think Texas is well on their way. But let

668
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 1: me throw you some hypothetical numbers. What if instead of

669
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 1: let's say California, what if California, instead of keeping forty

670
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 1: percent of their players home, what if they just kept

671
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 1: half of them? What if they kept fifty percent. Now,

672
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 1: there's only one truly major recruiter out there right now,

673
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,959
Speaker 1: all due respect to UCLA, there's only one major recruiting

674
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 1: power out there right now, and that's USC So I

675
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 1: understand there is not even enough room for all the

676
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 1: four and five star talent in California. That's why I'm

677
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 1: putting that number at fifty percent. Let's just hit it

678
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 1: fifty percent. Keep fifty percent of the end state four

679
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 1: and five star talent home. How big a difference does

680
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 1: that make. What about the state of Texas. I think

681
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 1: Texas is well on their way. What if Texas is

682
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 1: keeping sixty percent of their in state four and five

683
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:08,280
Speaker 1: star talent home. I think they're going to hit that number,

684
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 1: by the way. In fact, do you look at the

685
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two cycle. If you're watching on YouTube right now,

686
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 1: they were will above sixty percent last year. And if you,

687
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:18,799
Speaker 1: on average are hitting at that level over let's say

688
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,239
Speaker 1: a four or five year rolling span, you have fundamentally

689
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 1: changed the trajectory of this sport for a number of

690
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,400
Speaker 1: out of state programs. What about the state of Florida.

691
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:29,879
Speaker 1: This number's abysmal, down near forty percent over the last

692
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,840
Speaker 1: several years. What if we turn that upside dad? What

693
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 1: if we just go sixty percent? What if Florida and

694
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,400
Speaker 1: Florida State and Miami and UCF If you want to

695
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 1: get involved in the party, that's cool. What if they

696
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 1: combine to keep sixty percent of the in state four

697
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 1: and five star talent home. You have just totally altered

698
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 1: college football. If you do that, Alabama's not going to

699
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 1: be bad all of a sudden, nor is Ohio State.

700
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 1: But boy, while you elevate your programs, it's kind of

701
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 1: a twofold reaction. You're elevating your program at the expense

702
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 1: of some of those other major pro This is the

703
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:03,280
Speaker 1: key to balance in college football has been for a while.

704
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 1: I think the state of Florida first and foremost, but

705
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 1: then also secondarily what Lincoln Riley can do in southern California,

706
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 1: and then to it somewhat a lesser extent because it

707
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 1: never was a huge problem what Jimbo and Steve Sarkisian

708
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 1: are doing in Texas. That's your key. And if you

709
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:20,400
Speaker 1: ever want balance here, if you ever want to stop

710
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 1: looking at teams like Bama or Georgia or Ohio State

711
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 1: any given year in November and asking, boy, how's anyone

712
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:29,319
Speaker 1: ever going to beat them? Well, you're asking that now

713
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:31,799
Speaker 1: because of the players they're getting from other states. This

714
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 1: is how you somewhat slow that down and at the

715
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 1: very least you have a little more competitive balance at

716
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:38,360
Speaker 1: the end of the year. So they're telling you that

717
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:40,880
Speaker 1: one way solves it, I'm telling you another way we'll

718
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 1: solve it. And I just happen to believe we're right

719
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 1: on this. Moving right along Mood Tracker time, we're going

720
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 1: to Oregon. Also, I got a really good question, so

721
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 1: stay tuned for this. At the end of the show.

722
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 1: I got a really good question about paying players and

723
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 1: whether there actually is money to pay players. A lot

724
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:01,280
Speaker 1: of folks think that's the direction we're headed. I happened

725
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 1: to be one of them. As of as of now,

726
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 1: the way things currently are situated now, there may not be.

727
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 1: Could the way things are situated right now be a

728
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 1: disguise for the way things actually are? Yeah, I think

729
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 1: that could also be the case. I'll untangle all that

730
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 1: in just a second. Oregon Mood Tracker time. Excellent candidate.

731
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:24,320
Speaker 1: The Orgon Ducks an excellent candidate for the mood Tracker

732
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 1: and everything. This is the mood Tracker is what we

733
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 1: do for every major program, and we do it multiple

734
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 1: times a year. We want to take the temperature of

735
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:32,799
Speaker 1: the fan base. I was over on duck Territory dot

736
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,319
Speaker 1: com earlier today and I was on the board and

737
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 1: I asked, hey, fill in the blank, guys, my current

738
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:41,800
Speaker 1: mood towards Oregon football is what got some really good answers.

739
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 1: But this is always fluid with every program, but it's

740
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 1: especially been fluid with Oregon over the last month and

741
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 1: a half, understandably, so there's been a coaching change here.

742
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,399
Speaker 1: Now here's what the college football public saw. They saw

743
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:56,319
Speaker 1: Mario Christobal leave and then they tuned out. But of

744
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 1: course we did not. Oregon fans didn't. We didn't. We

745
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 1: saw Dan lanninge hired former defensive coordinator University of Georgia.

746
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 1: He's brought in a really high caliber recruiting staff out there,

747
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:10,879
Speaker 1: And we did not do the Oregon mood tracker intentionally

748
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 1: last month. We wanted to wait because it's never smart

749
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:16,840
Speaker 1: to do a mood tracker while a program is in

750
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 1: coaching transition to raw. There's no perspective. So now we

751
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 1: got a little ways under our belts and we're sort

752
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 1: of out of that dust storm and things have settled

753
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 1: and you've got logic that overtakes emotion hopefully eventually. But

754
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:34,840
Speaker 1: there were some wild takes in the meantime. I was

755
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 1: in some of those Oregon Twitter spaces and former players

756
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:40,800
Speaker 1: on there talking about being used by Mario christapaul. I

757
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 1: never understood that being used. If you got used, then

758
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:46,320
Speaker 1: you got nothing out of him. He just took everything

759
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 1: from you, and that's clearly not the case. So anyway,

760
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 1: all that's behind us now. Now we get a true

761
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 1: raw mood tracker from Oregon. The organ mood tracker right

762
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 1: now is I would call it take it back out

763
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:00,919
Speaker 1: to see because they were out there for a little while.

764
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 1: They put together a really solid talent roster and they

765
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:05,400
Speaker 1: were ready to see out on the open water of

766
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 1: college football. How they measured up with the big boys, Well, obviously,

767
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 1: you make a coaching change, you bring it into port

768
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 1: and they got banged up along the way a couple

769
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:16,799
Speaker 1: of times against the likes of Utah. But now you've

770
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 1: got your coaching staff in place. It's very important to

771
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 1: distinguish here what just happened and what didn't happen at Oregon.

772
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 1: What didn't happen is they had to get an entirely

773
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 1: new boat. That's not the case. They did not have

774
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 1: a portal exodus. Half the roster did not leave. They've

775
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 1: got a really really sound foundation of talent there. I mean,

776
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 1: they got a really really good collection of players across

777
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 1: multiple position units. They're not just loaded at one spot.

778
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 1: So they don't need a new boat. They just needed

779
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 1: a new crew, and they got the new crew. Now

780
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 1: a lot of You don't know a lot about these

781
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 1: guys you're looking at if you're watching on YouTube right now.

782
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 1: The new Oregon coaching staff, and we'll have time throughout

783
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:55,760
Speaker 1: the spring and summer to detail some of these guys

784
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 1: in a more granular fashion. But look at the talent

785
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 1: bos right now. They got a couple of at least

786
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 1: legitimate options at quarterback. Ty Thompson is the guy who's

787
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:08,800
Speaker 1: been there a couple of years. Bo Nick's transferred m

788
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:13,840
Speaker 1: But the obvious biggest fear, whether you're inside or outside

789
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 1: the program, is that they will not be able to

790
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,839
Speaker 1: maintain the recruiting run that they had been on. So

791
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:23,400
Speaker 1: just talent acquisition won't be there long term. That's the

792
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 1: biggest fear. Talent level will drop. But there is a

793
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 1: growing sense of internal optimism around the Oregon program. Here's

794
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:35,759
Speaker 1: where it really comes from. They're thinking to themselves up there,

795
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:40,880
Speaker 1: if it's a big if, but if recruiting remains comparable

796
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 1: to what it had been under Mario Christbaul and they

797
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 1: got a really good recruiting staff in there, so they've

798
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 1: made their intentions clear. If recruiting stays comparable to what

799
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:52,799
Speaker 1: it was, what they're thinking to themselves is we may

800
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 1: be in a position to upgrade the program. Because see

801
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:58,800
Speaker 1: the dirty little secret that no one wanted to talk about,

802
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 1: but now they'll talk about out in the open is

803
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 1: Oregon fans were never crazy about their staff on Saturdays.

804
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 1: They loved what they were doing on recruited trail, but

805
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 1: they never thought that they were going into a Saturday

806
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 1: about to outscheme anyone, about to outthink anyone, out smart anyone.

807
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:18,759
Speaker 1: It's just that that was not the mo there. Offensively.

808
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 1: Orgon was not running circles around anyone. The fan base

809
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:25,279
Speaker 1: up there felt at times they underachieved relative to the

810
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 1: offensive potential, and you can lay that in a million

811
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 1: different folks feet. But whatever the case is, broad strokes purposes,

812
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 1: Orgon fans are looking and saying, holo, if we've got

813
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 1: a good recruiting staff, which we do, and we maintain

814
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 1: roughly the same caliber of recruiting, we may have some

815
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 1: guys here that offer us the ability to net upgrade

816
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 1: the program. And who would have expected that nationally? And

817
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 1: that's where some of the optimism's coming from. Because they

818
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:51,880
Speaker 1: got some good coaches up there, got really good recruiters.

819
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 1: The whole mystery is exactly how will they be Dan

820
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 1: Lanning's never been a head coach before. What does that mean.

821
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 1: I don't know. They're about to find out. Well, they

822
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:02,799
Speaker 1: were willing to roll the dice with him, though, I'll

823
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 1: tell you that. And there were some other folks who

824
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 1: would have wanted that job, and they were willing to

825
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 1: roll the dice and go with Dan Lanning. Now there's

826
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 1: this other kind of subcurrent that I think it's a

827
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 1: waste of time entirely. And there's another subcurrent that says, well,

828
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 1: why should we buy into this, because maybe if Dan

829
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:21,320
Speaker 1: Lanning achieves at a high level, we're just going to

830
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 1: be waiting for the inevitable, and that's him leaving us

831
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 1: for a better job. Mario christovaual left you in a

832
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 1: pretty unique circumstances. I mean, it was his alma mater.

833
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 1: I didn't think he was going to leave, but he left.

834
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 1: But the point is it took something pretty unique. Oregon

835
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 1: is pretty unique, and that's why it took something pretty

836
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 1: unique to pull him away from there. I don't have

837
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:43,360
Speaker 1: in fact, I think it's dumb to have those fears.

838
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 1: It's always there, outside of a few examples like Kirby

839
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 1: Smart's not gonna leave Georgia. Nick Saban's not going to

840
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 1: leave Alabama. Outside of that, I mean, Brian Kelly just

841
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:56,280
Speaker 1: left a notre dame for LSU. So pretty much anything's

842
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 1: on the table. How big a waste of time is

843
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 1: it going to bed every night worrying about that. No,

844
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:04,319
Speaker 1: you hopefully have a situation there where it's going to

845
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 1: be too good for them to leave. Make it that way.

846
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 1: But look, if you don't make it that way, christ

847
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:11,239
Speaker 1: of Baul just left you better than you were when

848
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 1: he found you when he got there. If Dan Lanning

849
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 1: does the same, great, then you go find another guy,

850
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 1: and eventually you find the guy that stays around ten

851
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:23,719
Speaker 1: to fifteen years and totally immerses himself in Oregon and

852
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:26,320
Speaker 1: vice versa, and he's a legend for the next fifty years.

853
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:28,839
Speaker 1: But there is some optimism up there that is not

854
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Speaker 1: being felt nationally. Right now, all people know is that

855
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 1: Mario left, and half of them don't even know who

856
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:36,760
Speaker 1: the new head coach up there is. Well, that's okay,

857
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:38,840
Speaker 1: that's okay. A lot of coaches that have gone on

858
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:41,799
Speaker 1: to have success that people didn't immediately take notice of.

859
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:44,840
Speaker 1: Dan Lanning could just be the next in that line.

860
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Speaker 1: I wanted to get to this question before we log

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Speaker 1: out here. Ton. I appreciate you guys being logged in

862
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Speaker 1: by the way with us. Make sure you subscribe to

863
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:56,439
Speaker 1: the channel while you're here. It's free and we don't

864
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Speaker 1: really we don't spam you or anything. Just subscribe and

865
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 1: it helps us out video while you're here. So, I

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Speaker 1: got a question that I wanted to address. Got this, Uh,

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Speaker 1: I can't remember when this came in. Irrelevant, We'll read

868
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Speaker 1: the question. Here's a question from Stevie. He said, for

869
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Speaker 1: people who say paying players is inevitable, where does that

870
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:17,319
Speaker 1: money come from? I don't know for sure, but don't

871
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 1: most athletic departments barely break even as it is. Hashtag

872
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 1: late kick and pat State. You know what new rule

873
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 1: around here if you want your question answered, throw that

874
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 1: hash throw that paate State hashtag, or that late kick

875
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:31,759
Speaker 1: cashtag out there. Probably make it a lot easier for

876
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 1: Jesse and company to find them too. Hey, this is

877
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:36,400
Speaker 1: a good question, though. There are a lot of layers

878
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:38,279
Speaker 1: to this question, whether you realize it or not. So

879
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:40,719
Speaker 1: let's break down the camps. This is an age old

880
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:43,840
Speaker 1: argument should players be paid or not? And we're not

881
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:47,320
Speaker 1: talking nil here. To be clear, he is talking about

882
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 1: players being paid based on the money that universities are

883
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 1: making off of everything from merchandise sales to gate receipts

884
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:58,879
Speaker 1: to TV money and everything in between. And you've got

885
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 1: one camp that says, no, the scholarship's enough. They're getting

886
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 1: a whole lot more from that school than the school

887
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:06,360
Speaker 1: is from them, unless they're a true superstar player. And

888
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:08,799
Speaker 1: then you get another camp that says, you wouldn't be

889
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:11,320
Speaker 1: cashing those checks if it weren't for the free labor

890
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 1: on the field on Saturdays doing the work for you

891
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 1: while you sit in the skybox in a sweater vest.

892
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:17,880
Speaker 1: We understand that we're not here to rehash this. No

893
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 1: one's really changing their mind on that. But what Stevie

894
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:23,839
Speaker 1: asked is, Okay, let's say we do want to pay

895
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:25,840
Speaker 1: the players. Well, if I'm looking at our P and

896
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:28,480
Speaker 1: L sheet here, our profit losses sheeting, it says that

897
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 1: we're barely in the black, or in some cases we're

898
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Speaker 1: in the red. Where's the money coming from? This is

899
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 1: where a little bit more nuanced discussion has to be had.

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Speaker 1: It's not a discussion I like, because I do not

901
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 1: like wading into these waters. Because of the implications. But

902
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:47,279
Speaker 1: I do know what the truth is, and I will

903
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:51,840
Speaker 1: share with you the truth. If I were, for example,

904
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 1: let's say, an ultra successful businessman in the Northeast, and

905
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 1: I didn't like the tax structure in my state, I

906
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:00,840
Speaker 1: could hide a lot of my assets, hide them anywhere

907
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:03,879
Speaker 1: from Switzerland to the Caymans and everywhere in between. There

908
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 1: are ways, in other words, to get around that. If

909
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 1: I had a sail boat and I didn't want to

910
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:10,400
Speaker 1: pay a premium tax on it, I just parked that

911
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 1: thing in Florida, well, similarly, believe it or not, in

912
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:18,759
Speaker 1: major college athletics, there are also ways to hide this

913
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 1: huge pile of money that is on the table right now.

914
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 1: Because here's what I can't have. If I'm an administrator

915
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:27,440
Speaker 1: and I got this huge mountain of cash on the table,

916
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 1: I know if I report this on a piece of

917
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 1: paper and people see that I got that much money

918
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 1: in my coffers, it's going to make me look really

919
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:39,759
Speaker 1: bad if I'm not paying these players. And so I

920
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 1: got to go and put this money somewhere. And in

921
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 1: the world of college athletics, there are two very convenient

922
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:48,839
Speaker 1: places that you can put it. It's not Switzerland. It's

923
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Speaker 1: not the Caymans. It's called facilities, and it's called coaching salaries.

924
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:56,840
Speaker 1: Have you noticed how both have exploded over the past

925
00:45:56,880 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 1: decade or so. Have you noticed everything from waterfall slides

926
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Speaker 1: and everything in between. Look at the facilities, how immaculate

927
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Speaker 1: they are. Look at how high these coaching salaries are.

928
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Speaker 1: You've got coordinators making more than all but a few

929
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 1: head coaches used to make. Now I'm of the opinion

930
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:17,279
Speaker 1: that those coaching salaries are warranted. But regardless of what

931
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Speaker 1: I think for a second, there's a reason they're so high.

932
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Speaker 1: And it's not strictly because a bunch of administrators think

933
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Speaker 1: those coaches, those grizzled veterans, they've just earned every one

934
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Speaker 1: of these pennies will paying them. They got to get

935
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Speaker 1: rid of the money, they got to port somewhere, and

936
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Speaker 1: they got to do it so that they can reasonably

937
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 1: look at you at the end of the day and say,

938
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Speaker 1: how in the world are we gonna pay these guys.

939
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 1: We're barely getting by as it is. It's always been

940
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Speaker 1: wink and nod understood behind the scenes. The situation financially

941
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Speaker 1: is not nearly as dire as it's made to look

942
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 1: sometimes on the good old fashioned budgetary sheet they pass

943
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 1: out to you. It's just that the money is placed

944
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 1: in places where we know that early. Those are still

945
00:46:57,520 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 1: our assets. We can get that back anytime we need to.

946
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 1: But also, even if that is the case, you got

947
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 1: another problem. If you're of the opinion that you don't

948
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 1: want to pay the players, you got another problem. In

949
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 1: the future. Whether I like it or not, there is

950
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 1: coming on the horizon multiple reworked TV deals up to

951
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:19,479
Speaker 1: an including in all likelihood a very expanded playoff that's

952
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:23,319
Speaker 1: going to pour nine figures extra into the sport every

953
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 1: year to be divvied up. A vast majority of that

954
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 1: is going to go to the high profile conferences to

955
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 1: be divvied up amongst high profile programs, and then you're

956
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 1: gonna have any more, even more money on the table.

957
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 1: You can't spend it all, you can't get rid of

958
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 1: it all. And so that's why, for several reasons, this

959
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:41,479
Speaker 1: being one of them, a lot of us think there's

960
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 1: probably coming a day where some form of employment is

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Speaker 1: given to those players. Now, I know that makes a

962
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 1: lot of you sick, But if you think about what

963
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:52,799
Speaker 1: the alternatives are right now, and you think about the

964
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:55,360
Speaker 1: wild West nature and what's able to happen in the

965
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 1: transfer portal and guys just freely moving back and forth

966
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 1: paying really no penalty, pay even less penalty than coaches

967
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 1: do if you think about it from a contractual standpoint,

968
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:06,440
Speaker 1: when they move back and forth. There are a lot

969
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 1: of folks who think, Okay, we can't put that toothpaste

970
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 1: back in the tube. What can we do moving forward? Well,

971
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 1: we can't legislate anything on these guys if they're not employees.

972
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:18,719
Speaker 1: How do we label them as employees? What kind of

973
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 1: bridge or in some cases a rubicon do you have

974
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 1: to cross that provides some sort of control and check

975
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:28,319
Speaker 1: can balance back in this thing that we've let get

976
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 1: out of control. Well, the answer probably is that, and

977
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. That also coincides with That coincides

978
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:38,399
Speaker 1: with revenue sharing between conferences or universities, whatever the case

979
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 1: may be, and players. And so that is coming down

980
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:44,440
Speaker 1: the road, and the answer to Stevie's question from where

981
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:46,880
Speaker 1: it will come from, It could already be done now

982
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:49,319
Speaker 1: if they wanted to or they were forced to, And

983
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 1: it especially will be able to be done once you

984
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 1: up that financial intake from new or Rework television deals.

985
00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:00,440
Speaker 1: So Stevie, don't you worry if it's paid that you

986
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Speaker 1: want for those players. The last thing in the world

987
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 1: you need to worry about is whether the finances are

988
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:08,840
Speaker 1: going to be available. A good show tonight. I appreciate

989
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 1: you guys being tuned in. Remember what I said, The

990
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 1: Twitter spaces idea is a go. I got all good

991
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:18,360
Speaker 1: feedback about it. And the fun thing about this is

992
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 1: we're going to be able to interact, you know, with

993
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 1: other notable figures out there, shall we say, And we

994
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:26,160
Speaker 1: can do it on a moment's notice. We don't even

995
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:27,799
Speaker 1: have to give a heads up. Just it's a go.

996
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 1: So make sure you're following at late Kick Josh on

997
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 1: Twitter or Instagram. You guys can be involved in that.

998
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:34,799
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a great concept. It's kind of like

999
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 1: a call in radio show. It's just wonderful, but it's

1000
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:40,239
Speaker 1: on a social media appen Stap all right, we got

1001
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 1: to get out of here. We got a lot to

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Speaker 1: do still tonight for director Colin, for producer Jesse, for

1003
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 1: producer Jordan on the podcast side of things. Not to

1004
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 1: forget our little Angel producer Jordan and all of our

1005
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 1: production executives behind this here Wall, I'm Josh Pate. Have

1006
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Speaker 1: a great start to your week. Thanks for watching, and

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Speaker 1: God bless you.