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Speaker 1: It is now fish on the open. Welcome to Draft season.

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Speaker 1: We are back for the twenty twenty four college and

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Speaker 1: pro football season. John Shmulke, Tony Pauline. We're still brought

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Speaker 1: to you by Moodies. And every year we like to

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Speaker 1: lead off our season with the man who comes out

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Speaker 1: with I'll call it the best list on all of sports.

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Speaker 1: It's the annual Freaks List from Bruce Feldman. You can

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Speaker 1: find it on the Athletic. You can also see him

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Speaker 1: on TV covering college football for Fox. Bruce, you got

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Speaker 1: johnsh Milk and Tony Pauline with you. We're all about

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Speaker 1: to get started here. This is airing the Monday after

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Speaker 1: kind We have our little fake college football weekend before

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Speaker 1: the big college football weekend, and it's time for the sprint.

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Speaker 1: My friend that you're ready to go?

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Speaker 2: I am. I love this time of year, especially because

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Speaker 2: we don't ourselves actually have to go sit in a

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Speaker 2: classroom and go to school. That was like the bittersweet

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Speaker 2: part of this time of year was like, I love

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Speaker 2: the football is around the corner. I didn't love that

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Speaker 2: I had to go get new clothes and get ready

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Speaker 2: for the classroom. But now just as a grown up

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Speaker 2: quote unquote, I love it, Bruce.

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Speaker 3: What's the first game you're going to be attending this year, Tony?

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Speaker 2: The first game I have is we go to West

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Speaker 2: Virginia for Penn State West Virginia, So we have a

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Speaker 2: good slate that we know our first three games, it's

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Speaker 2: that game in Morgantown. Then week two we're in ann

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Speaker 2: Arbor for Texas at Michigan, and then week three Alabama Wisconsin,

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Speaker 2: So can't wait, can't wait.

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Speaker 3: And Texas Michigan. Texas Michigan game is going to be huge,

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Speaker 3: not only from a scouting perspective, but you know a

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Speaker 3: national title perspective. Is going to be a big challenge

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Speaker 3: for the new head coach who basically met every challenge

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Speaker 3: that he was presented with last year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you know, look, they're going to be

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Speaker 2: really good, I think on defense again, you know, they

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Speaker 2: got playmakers on the front end, in the back end

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Speaker 2: with Will Johnson. But then they're going to get Queen Yours,

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Speaker 2: who will be an interesting prospect for everybody to check out.

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Speaker 2: You know, he's played a lot now he has really

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Speaker 2: good receivers. They're different receivers because you know he had

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Speaker 2: two high you know, high draft picks with speed, and

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Speaker 2: now they bring in a bunch of guys from the

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Speaker 2: portaland Coon two who are almost as fast as Avier Worthy,

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Speaker 2: not quite you know, one as smaller, but like they

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Speaker 2: should be pretty dynamic and they have a good offensive line.

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Speaker 2: So I think I think that's gonna be.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So why don't we jump into the freaks list, Bruce?

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Speaker 1: As you mentioned, you know you a Penn State and

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Speaker 1: you detach your first game. You got a bunch of

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Speaker 1: guys from both schools on this freaks list. We'll get

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Speaker 1: to some of those, but first, I feel like the

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Speaker 1: list really reflects when you take a look at it,

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Speaker 1: what this draft nine months from now might look like.

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Speaker 1: It's reflected in your list. There's a lot of guys

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Speaker 1: up front on defense, especially on the edge that populates

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and I felt like that was kind

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Speaker 2: of you know, I don't want to say it's sick

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Speaker 2: look all, but you do get a little you know,

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Speaker 2: last year, obviously a Lot two was a great player

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Speaker 2: who was out here on the West Coast, you know

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Speaker 2: where I live, and was was was just an elite

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Speaker 2: technician and you know, had a really interesting backstory. Obviously Dallas.

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Speaker 2: Turner was an explosive guy at Alabama, but you didn't

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Speaker 2: really have what I think now. It's just there's just

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Speaker 2: a lot of dudes that are coming up, and not

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Speaker 2: I alluded to Kenneth Grant from Michigan. I mean, they've

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Speaker 2: had a bunch of freaky d linemen, you know, going back.

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Speaker 2: You know, Rashan Gary's from back where you guys are.

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Speaker 2: You know, New Jersey Kid, he started it. You obviously

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Speaker 2: had Aiden Hutchinson in there. I mean Kenneth Grant's three

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Speaker 2: and those coaches have been there for this whole run,

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Speaker 2: you know he is. I have some video on the

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Speaker 2: Freaks List, you know, with the story on the Athletic

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Speaker 2: Penn State and he runs down Catron Allen, who's a

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is a guy who's three fifty, not

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Speaker 2: Ohio State had two terrific defensive ends who decided to

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Speaker 2: You know what that equation was like for guys who

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's funny because you know Grant Smith. You talk

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Speaker 3: way I like to present it now is Mason Graham

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Speaker 3: is the better football player today, but two or three

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Speaker 3: years down the road, Kenneth Grant has the ability to

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Speaker 3: be the much more dynamic, much more dominant player because

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Speaker 3: would just become a better football player.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think when you see it, I mean,

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Speaker 2: I think that the explosiveness and some of the stuff

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Speaker 2: show up more. It's just like you have this other

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Speaker 2: One guy's a head coach in the NFL, the other

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Speaker 2: You know, he was at Coastal Carolina, was really productive

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Speaker 1: You know, you mentioned Will Johnson. He could be a

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Speaker 1: top ten pick. That to tackle sub Michigan could be

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Speaker 1: top ten picks. There are all three guys you mentioned

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Speaker 1: in your article on the athletic Surprisingly though, and maybe

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Speaker 1: Not a ton of Ohio State guys on your list.

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Speaker 1: You have their guard right, you have He's on there,

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Speaker 1: their linebacker styles is on there. But I feel like

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Speaker 1: there were probably a little bit more representation.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Jeremies and of.

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Speaker 1: Course Jeremiah Smith. Well, I was going to ask you about

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Speaker 1: it to you, Dan, do a lot of people think

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Speaker 1: wide receivers they've ever seen.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, Jeremiah, the people inside Ohio State now

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Speaker 2: I mean, people who've been in recruiting a long time

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Speaker 2: went in the Hall of Fame a couple of weeks ago,

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Speaker 2: Andre Johnson, you know, and so now again, Jeremiah Smith

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Speaker 2: almost an eleven foot broad jump guy. You know. Marvin

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Speaker 2: Harrison Junior is obviously an elite talent and really polished.

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Speaker 2: This guy's stronger, more top end, and I mean he's

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Speaker 2: stronger now than you know, coming right out of high school.

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Speaker 2: So he's really special. But yeah, I think with Ohio State,

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Speaker 2: those guys are really good football players. They're a little

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Speaker 2: the ones you know, we're talking about a little like

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Speaker 2: what Tony was saying with Mason Graham. I mean Jack

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Speaker 2: Sawyer is really really good. Really, you know, they're talking

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Speaker 2: about a really complete guy. I don't know if he's

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Speaker 2: it was also you know, these are not small guys

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Speaker 2: other guy was Dallas Turner. I mean one's like two

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Speaker 2: they're not two seventy, right, And so I think that's

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Speaker 2: a little you know, different math there when you're seeing

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Speaker 2: a guy who's around two fifty compared to a guy

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Speaker 2: who's that much bigger, and you know, probably won't put

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Speaker 3: Go ahead, don yeah, I mean, you know, just since

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Speaker 3: we're talking about Ohio State, you know, Donovan Jackson is

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Speaker 3: on your list the offensive guard and it's probably a

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Speaker 3: good thing that he went back because you know, a

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Speaker 3: year ago at this time, people talking about a Day

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Speaker 3: two pick. Some people said he could maybe slide into

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Speaker 3: the late part of round one. Just had did not

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Speaker 3: have a good year. I mean, Hio State offensive line

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Speaker 3: last year was up and down, and I think Jnovan

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Speaker 3: Jackson was a little bit more down. But as you

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Speaker 3: mentioned in your you know, as he's on your freaks list,

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Speaker 3: he has that innate ability to be a real good,

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Speaker 3: you know, college guard and then project to being an

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, he was a huge recruit coming out

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Speaker 2: of high school. He was id'd that way early on,

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Speaker 2: and he's played a lot. And you remember when he

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Speaker 2: was in there, you had two offensive tackles who you know,

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Speaker 2: both high level prospects, right, and he was the other

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Speaker 2: guy you had noticed. And then I think around him

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Speaker 2: and again, so much offensive line is a cohesiveness of

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Speaker 2: how it kind of the park worked together. I mean,

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Speaker 2: so they had uncertainty at center, you had the offensive

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Speaker 2: tackles were really inconsistent. For lack of a better the

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Speaker 2: most talented one they probably had last year was a

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Speaker 2: transfer from San Diego State who had some gun moments

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Speaker 2: and some not so great moments. I just think, you know,

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Speaker 2: there was still you know, like I mean, Traveon Henderson

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Speaker 2: he going to be healthy to play? There was just

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Speaker 3: I want to go a little bit deeper into your

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Speaker 2: Florida State now has I mean a couple of really

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Speaker 2: you know, I had two you know, defensive tackles high

431
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Speaker 2: up on my freeurst this year. Miami has a bunch

432
00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:41,840
Speaker 2: of dudes in the D line now, especially some of

433
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Speaker 2: the younger guys they have. But and you mentioned NC

434
00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:48,920
Speaker 2: State and Van Now this other guy though, I think,

435
00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:52,560
Speaker 2: you know, I want to see what it looks like

436
00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:55,000
Speaker 2: with him this year in terms of making the leap

437
00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:58,720
Speaker 2: from junior college into into really being in a role

438
00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:00,480
Speaker 2: where I think they're counting on him to be to

439
00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:02,119
Speaker 2: be a very disruptive player.

440
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Speaker 3: Want to talk right outside the top ten. Number eleven,

441
00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:08,919
Speaker 3: Nick emmin Wari of South Carolina. When you watch the

442
00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:11,760
Speaker 3: South Carolina film, you can't not notice this guy because

443
00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:14,680
Speaker 3: he's so big, and he's so huge, moving sideline to

444
00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:18,480
Speaker 3: sideline in center field, just blowing up plays. I mean

445
00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:23,959
Speaker 3: he is a linebacker sized defensive player in the defensive secondary.

446
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Speaker 2: Yeah, his numbers are crazy, Tony. I mean it was

447
00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:31,360
Speaker 2: like the numbers like you know, Shane members the coach,

448
00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:33,160
Speaker 2: when we were talking about because I asked him because

449
00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:35,440
Speaker 2: Nick Harber's my number one guy. You know, he's an

450
00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:38,600
Speaker 2: elite track guy and he's also a super sized receiver,

451
00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:41,639
Speaker 2: and so I asked him about Nick and I was like,

452
00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:44,359
Speaker 2: these numbers are insane that somebody had sent me about him.

453
00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:46,959
Speaker 2: You know, eleven four broad jump, forty two inch vertical,

454
00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:50,399
Speaker 2: also twenty four reps at two twenty five. You know,

455
00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:53,560
Speaker 2: for a linebacker, that's good. Now for a safety, that's insane.

456
00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:55,880
Speaker 2: He's almost two hundred thirty pounds. The other thing that's

457
00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:58,560
Speaker 2: and there he's productive. He's only been there two years.

458
00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:01,560
Speaker 2: He's still only twenty years old. You know, I don't

459
00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:04,439
Speaker 2: know what he projects like in the NFL, but like

460
00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:09,520
Speaker 2: those traits now at twenty years old, those numbers are remarkable.

461
00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:11,800
Speaker 2: And again he's in the SEC. He is not in

462
00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:15,159
Speaker 2: like he's not doing it at a smaller conference where

463
00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:20,000
Speaker 2: he is, you know, big boying like moderately talented guys.

464
00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:23,919
Speaker 2: I mean he's doing this in the SEC, and you know,

465
00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:26,280
Speaker 2: I feel like more people should be talking about him.

466
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Speaker 2: You don't see this kind of production with this kind

467
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Speaker 2: of size and this kind of athleticism in the SEC

468
00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:35,040
Speaker 2: and not people aren't, you know, raving about him. He's

469
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Speaker 2: bigger than Harold Perkins's right, and know, Harrold Perkins had huge,

470
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Speaker 2: you know, reputation coming out of two years ago, out

471
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Speaker 2: of his freshman year. And I'm not saying he's not

472
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Speaker 2: an elite player, because he is, but I'm just more people.

473
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Speaker 2: I think it's because this team, you know, didn't go

474
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Speaker 2: to a bowl game last year that it was just

475
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Speaker 2: kind of like, okay, whatever.

476
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Speaker 1: Penn State is like an edge factory, Bruce. Every year

477
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Speaker 1: it's Shot Robinson, it's a Da Felway a couple of

478
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Speaker 1: years before that. They just churn out these super athletic

479
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:04,040
Speaker 1: edge you guys. And now you have ab Dual Carter

480
00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:06,480
Speaker 1: a couple other guys from Penn State here. Looks like

481
00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:08,800
Speaker 1: the Nitley Lions are once again just churning out those

482
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Speaker 1: guys on the edge up front on defense.

483
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's again they've had They've had so many

484
00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:17,040
Speaker 2: come through there and they're all you know, I feel

485
00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:20,240
Speaker 2: like they're kind of similar in terms of, like, you know,

486
00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:22,480
Speaker 2: whether it's Michael Parsons or somebody who's kind of like

487
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:24,720
Speaker 2: Micah Parsons, and you just kind of go through it.

488
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Speaker 2: In this case, you know, I look, I think James

489
00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:30,640
Speaker 2: Franklin has recruited a lot of big time athletes. We'll

490
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Speaker 2: see what Abdul Carter does. Is he transitions, you know,

491
00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:36,159
Speaker 2: from linebacker to defensive end. I mean, people there do

492
00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:39,439
Speaker 2: make do make some Micah Parsons comparisons. I mean, he

493
00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:42,159
Speaker 2: was a guy last year that you know, he's about

494
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:44,280
Speaker 2: the same size as Chop and he's running in the

495
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Speaker 2: four fours and you know, twenty two and I think

496
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Speaker 2: it's twenty two to four for the GPS numbers. I

497
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Speaker 2: Mean the reason why they were not like a top

498
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Speaker 2: ten team, I think is because, you know, last year,

499
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:05,680
Speaker 2: because the offense when they played elite teams just got

500
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:08,679
Speaker 2: bogged down. Now they Franklin made brought in a different

501
00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:11,520
Speaker 2: offense coordinator, Andy koto Nikki. I mean he's got a

502
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:13,919
Speaker 2: really good rep and done a lot of really good things.

503
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:17,360
Speaker 2: We'll see how We'll see how it goes from this

504
00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:19,960
Speaker 2: point on. But defensively, I mean, Manny Diaz was a

505
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,320
Speaker 2: defense coordinator. Now he's the head coach at Duke. Tom

506
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:26,080
Speaker 2: Allen comes in. He's a really good defensive coach. I

507
00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:28,200
Speaker 2: think they will be very good on defense again.

508
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Speaker 3: Number sixteen Thorp Griffith, a guy that I've watched the

509
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Speaker 3: past couple of years at Harvard. He now takes his

510
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Speaker 3: game to Louisville, which, if he plays well, is going

511
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Speaker 3: to help his draft stock. He was always great as

512
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Speaker 3: a potential eight round pick. But you mentioned how he's

513
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Speaker 3: three hundred and twenty pounds. When you watch the film,

514
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Speaker 3: the guy plays like a three technique tackle in a

515
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:50,879
Speaker 3: sense that he's quick, he's agile, he's mobile, he moves

516
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Speaker 3: incredibly well. He's not just a big guy in the

517
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Speaker 3: middle of the line that takes up space. This guy,

518
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Speaker 3: Thorp Griffith, he's very athletic.

519
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:02,399
Speaker 2: He is. I mean, he was a standout wrestler in

520
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 2: high school in New Hampshire. Also was a youth hockey star,

521
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:08,399
Speaker 2: so I mean he's got different sports backgrounds where that

522
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:12,200
Speaker 2: athleticism kind of carries over. He is a weight room beast.

523
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,159
Speaker 2: I think the big key for him is now as

524
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:18,760
Speaker 2: he makes the move, you know, just basically see it

525
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:22,479
Speaker 2: translate against much better offensive lineman you know around him,

526
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:25,120
Speaker 2: and also there's good talent around him. I mean there's

527
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:28,720
Speaker 2: an edge rusher that Louisville has who's a big time

528
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Speaker 2: you know, I think it's probably I would not be

529
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Speaker 2: surprised if he's a top one hundred pick there. So

530
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Speaker 2: I don't think. You know, we've seen Louisville with some guys, right, yeah,

531
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Speaker 2: Diab a few years ago, they've had They've had some

532
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 2: freaky athletes, but Thor in terms of just weight room

533
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:47,440
Speaker 2: strength and just mauling guys. I mean that that was

534
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 2: a problem in the ivy leagues. We'll see, you know,

535
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:52,120
Speaker 2: if he can do similar in the ACC.

536
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 3: Ashton Gillette is the other defensive end that you were

537
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:59,200
Speaker 3: mentioning from Louisville that just creates havoc. And now having

538
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:00,919
Speaker 3: a guy like Griffith play on the inside, I think

539
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:02,280
Speaker 3: it's just going to make you let that much of

540
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:03,680
Speaker 3: a better player.

541
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Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, he's a South Florida kid. He was

542
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:08,600
Speaker 2: a big time weight room kid. He's been on the

543
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 2: Freaks List before. There's a big time weight room kid

544
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:14,360
Speaker 2: coming out of like the Boca area, Bocaaton area and

545
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:18,960
Speaker 2: he's been really good. You know, I think I'm actually

546
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:22,760
Speaker 2: surprised he has not gotten more attention given how productive

547
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:26,280
Speaker 2: he has been. Louisvio last year played Florida State in

548
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:28,879
Speaker 2: the ACC title game. But I just feel like sometimes

549
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:31,679
Speaker 2: some of those ACC players, even though it's you know,

550
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,399
Speaker 2: been a Power five and now Power four conference, unless

551
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 2: you're at Florida State or Clemson, you tend to fly

552
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:39,639
Speaker 2: under the radar, right Like Peyton Wilson was a you know,

553
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 2: if he didn't have the injury history, but he going

554
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,119
Speaker 2: into the draft, but he was an amazing player. And

555
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:50,640
Speaker 2: while yeah, and so you know, again, I think Ashton

556
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,200
Speaker 2: is one of those guys. I'm not saying he's he's

557
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 2: going to be a top thirty pick, but I think

558
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:57,919
Speaker 2: he'll test really well and he's going to make a

559
00:26:57,920 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 2: ton of plays this year.

560
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Speaker 1: All right, I want to go to number seventeen on

561
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 1: your list, the guy that in very early mock draft,

562
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:05,479
Speaker 1: so do you have him as the top FO four

563
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:08,199
Speaker 1: player in the class. That's James Pierce, the defensive end

564
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:11,919
Speaker 1: slash edge player out of Tennessee. Talking to the coaches

565
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 1: there and the people around the country, is that how

566
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 1: he's generally viewed as one of these guys that could

567
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:19,200
Speaker 1: be the first overall pick if everything goes right for him.

568
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 2: Maybe. I mean he's interesting in that I talked to

569
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 2: somebody who'd been in Knoxville, one of the scouts just

570
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 2: last week, and he was like, you know, he was

571
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 2: two hundred eight pounds when he got there, and he

572
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 2: was up to I think two forty eight when the

573
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:36,479
Speaker 2: scout was there middle of last week. I mean, he

574
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 2: can run and run and run. The question had been

575
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,479
Speaker 2: just how big was he? Well, now he's almost two

576
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty pounds. Now we'll see if he can

577
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 2: stay there. If he is he two forty eight you know,

578
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:48,919
Speaker 2: at the beginning of camp and then he ends up

579
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 2: at two thirty eight you know into the season, who knows,

580
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 2: but no one questions. I mean, he makes a play

581
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 2: in the bowl game and they're against the Iowa and

582
00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 2: it's a pick six. The GPS numbers on him were crazy.

583
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 2: It's like and it almost doesn't look like he's even

584
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 2: running that fast, but they are like numbers of a

585
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 2: top wide receiver. Again, and he's bigger now, but still

586
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,199
Speaker 2: I think he should be in that discussion. You know,

587
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 2: a top ten pick I don't, you know, it would

588
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:17,880
Speaker 2: be interesting if he'd be the first pick in the draft.

589
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:23,400
Speaker 2: But he can run and he really had a breakout

590
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 2: year last year, and I think there's a lot to

591
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:25,880
Speaker 2: like there.

592
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 3: Number twenty two and twenty three, you got back to

593
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 3: back receivers on opposite ends of the of the country,

594
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:36,439
Speaker 3: and they've got basically opposite games. You got to Kwan Felton,

595
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,239
Speaker 3: Norfolk State transfer, who goes back for a six year,

596
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:43,479
Speaker 3: who's more of your downfield, explosive, vertical threat. And then

597
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 3: you have a player to Toria McMillan, who you mentioned earlier,

598
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 3: who's the bigger, more dominant game possession, possession receiver type

599
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 3: of player who I think McMillan could go very early.

600
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 3: But it's gonna be Filton, who I think is going

601
00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 3: to raise the eyebrows at the combine with the super

602
00:28:59,520 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 3: fast time.

603
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, Felton, super explosive, you know. And it's interesting because

604
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 2: Kyron Drones, who was the first year started last year

605
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 2: a quarterback, another freaky athlete. I mean, he's like, he

606
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 2: looks like a linebacker. I remember he was a Baylor

607
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 2: before and I remember seeing him in warmups. He wasn't

608
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 2: the starter and I was like, man, that guy looks

609
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 2: like he'd be a linebacker. And they're like he could.

610
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 2: He could be anything he wants. And he's a smart

611
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 2: kid who went in there and they got way better

612
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 2: as the year went on. And you know, Felton is

613
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:29,719
Speaker 2: one of they have some really good receivers. They had

614
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 2: a really good receiver who started his career at Old Dominion,

615
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 2: got hurt last year, only played like two games and

616
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 2: he's back, and like they have big athletic receivers. Temac.

617
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 2: You know, if people have not seen him, I mean,

618
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 2: he is a special player. Jed Fish told me when

619
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 2: I was doing Freaks List, he was like, he's the

620
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 2: biggest freak athlete I've seen it. Jedfish has been in

621
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 2: the NFL for a long time in coaching. His ball

622
00:29:56,080 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 2: skills are incomparable, right, I mean, he was a top

623
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 2: level volleyball player, great basketball player. He's not quite six ' five,

624
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:07,960
Speaker 2: he's six four and change two hundred and ten pounds

625
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 2: and his timing and it's just remarkable. You can watch.

626
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 2: You know, we talked about Travis Hunter earlier. I mean,

627
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 2: he's got a touchdown on Travis Hunter in the red zone.

628
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 2: There's nothing Travis Hunter can do to stop him. I mean,

629
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 2: like he is a special player. I don't know how

630
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 2: fast he will time. He might be four four nine,

631
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 2: he might be four five five. I don't know he

632
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 2: You know, when I talked to one of the strength

633
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 2: coaches who used to be there and is now at Washington,

634
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 2: he was like, he came in he was a nineteen

635
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 2: mile per hour guy. Now he's like twenty one to nine.

636
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 2: So he's definitely progressed. He's not going to even the

637
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 2: film will tell you he's a forty inch vertical jump guy.

638
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 2: Guys who coached him like, oh, yeah, he's verticals forty

639
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 2: He's like no. When I talked to Tedoro about a

640
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 2: month ago, he's like, no, it's like up to thirty

641
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 2: four inches and it was like thirty one before. He

642
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 2: was like, it's all my timing. People think much, you know,

643
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 2: and it's like, also, I think some of that. He's

644
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 2: a volleyball player. So you if you watch film of

645
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 2: you know, volleyball player spike in the ball, you know

646
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 2: they have crazy ability to ascend off of like their

647
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 2: plant foot and just you know, come up out of

648
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 2: the ground. And that's not a vertical jump, right, because

649
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 2: it's different to run up and do it. I mean,

650
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 2: I can't say enough you know, like positive things about

651
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 2: what kind of playmaker he is. Again, I mean they

652
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 2: trust in him so much. I think he's one of

653
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 2: I would say he's one of the five best players

654
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 2: in college football right now.

655
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:41,959
Speaker 1: Wow, all right, that's something to keep an eye on.

656
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 1: You know, you talk to Rus about it being cyclical

657
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 1: with the defensive lineman in the draft, So I'm going

658
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 1: to the running back position now. We didn't see a

659
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 1: running back going last year's draft until second half of

660
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 1: a round number two with Jonathan Brooks and who's coming

661
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 1: off an ACL injury. You have two running backs between

662
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 1: twenty and thirty. You got a cup more in your

663
00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 1: top fifty five, including Ashton jon Day from boy State,

664
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 1: which I've watched. He's a lot of fun to watch.

665
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 1: What do you think of the running backs groups on

666
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 1: your list? And if that classes, you think gonna look

667
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 1: a little bit better this year than it did last year.

668
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 2: Yeah. Nick Singleton is at Penn State is definitely a size, speed,

669
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 2: kind of freaky guy. You know, he had a more

670
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 2: productive freshman year in twenty twenty twenty twenty two than

671
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 2: he did last year in terms of I think it

672
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 2: was averaging seven yards of carry as a freshman than

673
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 2: last year it was like four and a half. But

674
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 2: again the offense kind of bogged down. I thought for them,

675
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 2: he's really gifted. Ashton genty from Boise State is a

676
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 2: great all around running back. I suspect as you get

677
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 2: closer to the you know, the draft process, people are

678
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:47,719
Speaker 2: going to marvel at his all around skills. You know,

679
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 2: he is, he's really good. He's not even twenty one yet,

680
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 2: so he couldn't he couldn't go to Mountain West Media

681
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 2: days because they had it in a casino in Vegas

682
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 2: that you had to be at least twenty one to

683
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 2: get in. From Boise State, it decided to him separately

684
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 2: and to get that visibility. But he's a really, really

685
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 2: good player, Like they could make the playoff and it

686
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 2: would be a big part would be because he's so special.

687
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 2: I mean, he's he's a great all around running back.

688
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 2: And again his numbers are really good testing wise, but

689
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 2: he is, he's such a great receiver and I think

690
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 2: he's such a such a complete back. He'll be fun

691
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 2: to watch this year.

692
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 1: The other two running backs, real Tony Real quick. The

693
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 1: other two running backs on your list was Caden Fvegan,

694
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 1: the big guy at like two fifty that you guys

695
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 1: do with Derrick Henry comparisons in the right up and

696
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 1: then I'm gonna butcher this basual Tutin from Virginia Tech.

697
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, Tootin's super explosive. You know, forty inch vertical guy

698
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:48,239
Speaker 2: four three two, uh forty is not no one there

699
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 2: as big as as Fagan. Fagan is. Like when I

700
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 2: talked to Brett Bielma, they were, you know, talking about

701
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 2: their comparing his measurables to Derrick Henry, and they match

702
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 2: up really well in terms of what they what they've

703
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 2: seen him do and what Henry did in the combine process.

704
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 2: I he is that big, And Bilma told me a

705
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 2: story goes when we were recruiting him, I told everybody

706
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 2: in our program, do not mention one word about defense.

707
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 2: He is a running back because a lot of times

708
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:23,240
Speaker 2: those guys come in and they hang on a second,

709
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:29,919
Speaker 2: you have to get out of the room. So when

710
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 2: they when they were talking about him, it was just like,

711
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 2: you have to you have to make sure that he

712
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 2: does not get the idea that we're going to switch

713
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 2: him because that's what everybody else is telling him, right,

714
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 2: and so he had. You know, there was a runny

715
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:46,400
Speaker 2: at a catch and run earlier in the year. I

716
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 2: want to say it was like a fifty yard run

717
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:50,759
Speaker 2: where you see that speed he's just kind of fly

718
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 2: in for and he's a huge back. I mean, he's

719
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:57,399
Speaker 2: a legit two fifty plus. So I'm interested to see

720
00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 2: how his career kind of transitions. There Again, they think

721
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 2: he could be a great anything, you know, but they

722
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:06,880
Speaker 2: love him as a running back and they're going to

723
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:07,839
Speaker 2: ride him.

724
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 3: I want to talk about two players in the bottom

725
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 3: half of the thirties that you have. Go back to

726
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 3: the receiver. You talked about McMillan being underrated, Bowl Collins.

727
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 3: I mean, here's the guy who with the past years,

728
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 3: especially last year when he was on the field, did

729
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:23,360
Speaker 3: nothing but make plays after play after play at Clemson

730
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 3: transfers to note your Dame. You watch the film Collins

731
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 3: makes plays. You read your article on about what a

732
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 3: freak you know, what a good athlete he is. If

733
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 3: you talk to NFL scouts and they have a free

734
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:38,760
Speaker 3: agent grade on this guy, I just don't understand.

735
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 2: You want. I think some of it might have been

736
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:46,320
Speaker 2: consistency issues. Maybe you know how well does did he

737
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 2: consistently catch the ball before? I don't. It's interesting because

738
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 2: his numbers are really really high level, you know, from

739
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:56,319
Speaker 2: what the coach that Notre Dame gave me. And that's

740
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 2: the area where they got to take a big step up.

741
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 2: They bring in Riley Leonard, who's really good athlete himself,

742
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 2: the duke quarterback who's banged up last year, but he

743
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 2: can run. And if Notre Dame is going to be

744
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 2: a team that can get in the playoff and make

745
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 2: some noise, they need somebody to emerge as a go to,

746
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:18,799
Speaker 2: you know, a difference maker outside and maybe he can

747
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:21,799
Speaker 2: be it. I mean, physical tools are there, it's just

748
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 2: I think the consistency to really be that guy. But

749
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,439
Speaker 2: there's some wow stuff there. I mean, again, they lost

750
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 2: some good receivers you know, from last year, and they

751
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 2: didn't have a lot of depth outside. He is. I

752
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 2: think he was a big get for them and we'll see,

753
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 2: we'll see what what he what he can give them

754
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:41,319
Speaker 2: this year because they really need that pass game to

755
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 2: get going. They have an interesting Week one game they're

756
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 2: gonna play. Mike Elko is a new coach, at Texas

757
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:48,320
Speaker 2: A and M. He was the defensive coordinator there and

758
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:49,880
Speaker 2: then he went to Duke and did terrific. You know,

759
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 2: he's a new Jersey guy. He knows Riley Leonard better

760
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 2: than anybody because he was his coach at Duke the

761
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 2: last couple of years. I think most people are assuming

762
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:01,919
Speaker 2: that Notre Dame will win that game, but that's that's

763
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:02,720
Speaker 2: not going to be easy.

764
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 1: I want to give the offensive line some love here, Bruce.

765
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 1: You have two guys in your top ten, Jaden Roberts

766
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 1: out of Alabama and Iowa. Big surprise developing a good center,

767
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,360
Speaker 1: like we haven't seen that before. Logan Jones, who's just

768
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 1: two ninety three. There was some Linderbaum comparisons there. And

769
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 1: then Will Campbell, I know he has teammate at LSU

770
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:22,320
Speaker 1: is pretty good too. But a lot of people think Campbell,

771
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:24,359
Speaker 1: you know, could be the first offensive lineman off the board.

772
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 1: If you want to talk about those three guys a

773
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 1: little bit.

774
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, Will Campbell has been as advertised, he was a

775
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 2: huge recruit for them at LSU and the coaches love him.

776
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 2: They think he's the best lineman they've seen there in

777
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 2: a long time, you know, and he was really good

778
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:39,879
Speaker 2: last year. I don't think he's given up a sack

779
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:44,320
Speaker 2: in like a year and a half. I think he

780
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 2: If you told me he was a top three pick

781
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:49,320
Speaker 2: this year, it wouldn't surprise me. I really think he's

782
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 2: he's that good all around, especially based on what the

783
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:57,359
Speaker 2: what the coaches at LSU, the way they talk about him.

784
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 2: Jayden Roberts might be the strongest guy in college football.

785
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 2: You know, it's just like the strength numbers are insane

786
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 2: for him. He's also like eighteen percent body fat. He's

787
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 2: in the you know, three hundred and twenty five pound range.

788
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 2: I mean, he's a really really good football player. The

789
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 2: third one, you know, Iowa, As you said, I mean,

790
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 2: whether it's worse, whether it's Lindenbaum. I mean when I

791
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 2: talked to Kirk Farns, who you know, blind guy at

792
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 2: trade who knows it probably better than any head coach

793
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:28,879
Speaker 2: I think, at least in college football. You know the thing,

794
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 2: he just kind of rose raving about Logan Jones and

795
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 2: he compared him to Lindenbaum. And he was like, you know,

796
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 2: based on how he moves and how he plays, you

797
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 2: would have thought he was a high school wrestler. He

798
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 2: actually wasn't. He was a great, you know, all around

799
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 2: athlete though, and the numbers for him for the last

800
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 2: couple of years inside the Iowa inside the Iowa Strength

801
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 2: program have have been really eye popping. So I thought

802
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:56,319
Speaker 2: I had no problem putting him in as a top

803
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 2: ten guy. He's not. You know, if he was probably

804
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:01,319
Speaker 2: ten pounds bigger, I think that would probably make him

805
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:04,320
Speaker 2: a lot more attractive right now in terms of that

806
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 2: because he was a he's been more of a developmental guy,

807
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:09,720
Speaker 2: you know, having been a D lineman then moving over.

808
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 2: But I think he had a good first year and

809
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 2: we'll see, you know, how he progresses. He had he

810
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:18,839
Speaker 2: was coming off some injury in January, so some of

811
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:22,319
Speaker 2: the testing didn't happen this year. But you know, Kirk

812
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:24,279
Speaker 2: ference can't say enough good things about him.

813
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816
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Speaker 3: I'm Gonna stay on the offensive line Number thirty nine,

817
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 3: one of my favorite guys in the country, armand Membo

818
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:43,240
Speaker 3: of the right tackle for the Missouri Tigers he's gonna

819
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 3: be guard in the NFL. But when you watch this guy,

820
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 3: he's big, well, he's wide, he's strong, but he also

821
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 3: moves very well. And you talk about his numbers, not

822
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 3: only his strength numbers, but his ten yard time and

823
00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:59,800
Speaker 3: his athletic numbers. I mean, here's a guy who's got,

824
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 3: as far as I'm concerned, scheme, versatility and next level.

825
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 3: He can play god as in a power gap scheme

826
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 3: because he's got the strength. You could also use him

827
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 3: in his own blocking scheme because he's able to get

828
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 3: out quickly on the second level and take minebackers out

829
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 3: of the action.

830
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. He I mean, and they have been really excited

831
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 2: about him for a while. Last year was a breakout

832
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:22,400
Speaker 2: year from MISSOO. They obviously finished the year they beat

833
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 2: Ohio State in a big bowl game and that was

834
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 2: huge for that program. He's going to test very well.

835
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:30,359
Speaker 2: You know, he was a guy who had multiple like

836
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 2: he was played a lot of soccer growing up, and

837
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 2: I think you see kind of that athleticism translate, you know.

838
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:38,839
Speaker 2: And you know, Brandon Jones, the old line coach, has

839
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 2: been talking him up to me since he got there

840
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 2: from you know, he was the former O line coach

841
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 2: at Houston, and he had some really good players there,

842
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 2: And this one again, I agree with you. He's a guy.

843
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:54,239
Speaker 2: You know, he may have the length to even play

844
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:56,839
Speaker 2: at right tackle. I know he's not the tallest, but

845
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 2: there's a lot of stuff because his athleticism is so good,

846
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:03,279
Speaker 2: and they really they're really big believers in him as

847
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 2: a talent because he's just a really, really smooth athlete.

848
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 1: You have two guys, Bruce in your top forty from

849
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 1: these two programs, but you can talk about them generally.

850
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 1: How do you think the passing games and who might

851
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 1: emerge from the Alabama and LSU programs this year? You know, LS,

852
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:22,360
Speaker 1: you and all the guys graduate last year Alabama Jermaine

853
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 1: Burton kind of came along as they went along. He

854
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 1: got drafted on Day two of the NFL Draft. You know,

855
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 1: how do you see those two passing attacks evolving and

856
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:31,880
Speaker 1: who might emerge from those groups that could be an

857
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 1: impact in the NFL Draft in April.

858
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, first for LSU because you obviously had the Heisman

859
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 2: Trophy winner and then you had two first round receivers

860
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 2: and one of you guys obviously are going to see

861
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 2: a lot of or seen a lot.

862
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:46,399
Speaker 1: Of By the way, he is pretty damn special. Watching

863
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 1: him every day in practice, he is Unbelievablelakue Neighbors, Holy cow.

864
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:51,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's you know, just to stay on him for

865
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:54,759
Speaker 2: two seconds. Like I remember doing the one of the

866
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 2: draft articles I did where I'm talking to two different

867
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 2: receivers coaches in the NFL and they were like, oh,

868
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 2: he's number one on our board ahead of It surprised

869
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:09,319
Speaker 2: me because, like, you know, Marvin Harrison Junior was such

870
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 2: a complete receiver. But I think people are like, yeah,

871
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 2: he doesn't have like the juice that Neighbors has, you know.

872
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:19,840
Speaker 2: And again I'm sure if you ask twenty guys, they

873
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 2: all twenty wouldn't have set Neighbors obviously, but there was

874
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 2: that kind of like wow factor to him at LSU.

875
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 2: So the one of the guys who was a holdover

876
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 2: from that group who came in when Neighbors came in.

877
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 2: Chris Hilton was a high level track guy and you know,

878
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 2: I you know, know t J. Huschmanzada out here, you know,

879
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:44,880
Speaker 2: longtime NFL receiver trains guys. He had Hilton and Hilton

880
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:47,240
Speaker 2: he was like, he's running it in four to nine

881
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 2: and you see some serious explosiveness from him. The new

882
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:56,879
Speaker 2: quarterbacks Garrett nus Meyer's dad, Doug, former NFL quarterback who's

883
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 2: been in the NFL, the coach a long time now

884
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 2: with the Eagles. He's a really talalthy quarterback and sling

885
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 2: it around really good. Got a little bit of the

886
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:06,319
Speaker 2: gun slinger kind of vibe to him. So I think

887
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 2: the biggest thing with him is taking care of the

888
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 2: ball and not you know, being careful with turnovers. But

889
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 2: he's really good. I mean he I think he has

890
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:17,279
Speaker 2: a chance to have a big, big season. You know,

891
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 2: they they lost two great receivers. But as we said,

892
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:22,840
Speaker 2: you know, and I you know, John, you you referenced

893
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 2: this before, and it's right. It's not just Will Campbell there.

894
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 2: That's a really good offensive line. You know, they have

895
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 2: talent on the other side of the line. You know,

896
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 2: they have experience, and so I think the offense is

897
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:36,279
Speaker 2: going to be really good. That's not the question mark there.

898
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:38,919
Speaker 2: I mean. Nuss Meyer ended up leading them to a

899
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 2: comeback win against against Wisconsin in the bowl game. I

900
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 2: think they were down fourteen and he rallied them and

901
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 2: that was you know, Neighbors wasn't in there in the

902
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 2: second half. I mean, I don't you know they were

903
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 2: it was like the new guys kind of going. So

904
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 2: I think they'll be really good. Alaban was going to

905
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:58,239
Speaker 2: be I'm fascinated to see Kalen de Boor comes in there.

906
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:01,880
Speaker 2: We saw he had as explosive in offense as anybody

907
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 2: last year with Pennix and those three receivers that he

908
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 2: had in a really offensive line. And now he inherits

909
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:11,759
Speaker 2: Jalen Milroe, who's super dynamic as an athlete, has a

910
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:13,920
Speaker 2: strong arm and a really good work ethics. So we'll

911
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:16,799
Speaker 2: see how that picks up. You know, I think what

912
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:20,319
Speaker 2: they had, which was hard to kind of come off of.

913
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:23,319
Speaker 2: They had like a historic run of receivers under Nick

914
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:26,239
Speaker 2: Sabe and then you know they had the four at

915
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:28,719
Speaker 2: one point where obviously DeVante Smith was the headliner, but

916
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,839
Speaker 2: you know, the other guys were terrific too, and then

917
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 2: last year there was a you know, it was noticeable

918
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 2: drop off. You know, even Jamis and Williams from before

919
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 2: he transferred in was obviously special athletically. We'll see how

920
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:43,759
Speaker 2: it picks up. They have some young receivers. I know

921
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:46,479
Speaker 2: they're really excited, but they're really really young and two.

922
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:48,719
Speaker 3: Of their best receivers transferred out once we were playing

923
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:51,279
Speaker 3: in Texas this year, Isaiah Bond, I want to go

924
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:55,360
Speaker 3: deep into your list. Ty French now at West Virginia.

925
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 3: I remember watching this cap when he played at Gordon

926
00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 3: Webb and at the time, I mean, you look like

927
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:04,399
Speaker 3: almost a safety size linebacker the way he played, making

928
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 3: plays all over the place, his range, where he pursued

929
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 3: the action. Read your article and the athletic numbers on

930
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:14,720
Speaker 3: this guy is off or off the chart. And obviously

931
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 3: coming from Guard to Webb who nobody watches play, No

932
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:19,760
Speaker 3: one's going to know about Ty French at West Virginia.

933
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:23,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a dominant player there. Neil Brown, the

934
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:26,360
Speaker 2: head coach Westerner, I talked to you know last night actually,

935
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 2: and we were talking about some other guys and we

936
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:30,760
Speaker 2: talked about him. He's like, he's a really, really good player.

937
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 2: He's going to test great. I think they're really excited

938
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 2: about him, you know. He I think, you know, I

939
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 2: wonder if in terms of the NFL side of it,

940
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:41,760
Speaker 2: will he come across as a little bit of a tweener. Now,

941
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 2: I think tweener seems like it's more of an issue

942
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 2: if you're looking at somebody as a top fifty pick

943
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:50,319
Speaker 2: as opposed to once you get further down. But he's

944
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:55,439
Speaker 2: a really, really explosive athlete and he makes a ton

945
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:58,439
Speaker 2: of plays, and I think, you know there, I think

946
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:00,360
Speaker 2: the question is, you know, where does he fit in

947
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:02,279
Speaker 2: a certain defense? But I think he's going to be

948
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 2: a big problem. You know we were talking about, you know,

949
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:09,479
Speaker 2: I have Penn State West Virginia right out of the gate.

950
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 2: That is a chance to be a kind of coming

951
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 2: out party for him. I think for again Gardner Web guy.

952
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 2: It's not like Gardner Webb hasn't had any you know,

953
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:18,240
Speaker 2: I've had a couple of Gardner Web Freaks Liss guys

954
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 2: in the past, but he's one that I think now

955
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 2: has a chance to make a splash.

956
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 1: At that point, I should have warned you about this

957
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 1: question before I asked it. Bruce, I'm going to go

958
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:30,239
Speaker 1: back to last year's Freaks list. The Giants have a

959
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:34,399
Speaker 1: guy named Elijah Chapman in Camp Baby Bison, and he's

960
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 1: listened to six feet tall. I'd stod next time with

961
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 1: him wearing cleets. Dude ain't six feet tall. But I

962
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 1: talked to Andre Patterson, who's a longtime NFL defensive line

963
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:44,839
Speaker 1: coach the other day, and he said, keep in mind

964
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:47,439
Speaker 1: this is a room with Dexter Lawrence in it, that

965
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:50,760
Speaker 1: Chapman is the strongest guy in his room as a rookie,

966
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:54,279
Speaker 1: and he's been flashing all over camp. So I'm going

967
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 1: to make you go back put your thinking cap on

968
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:58,800
Speaker 1: the last year. What can you tell me about Elijah Chapman?

969
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:02,759
Speaker 2: You know, Elijah Chapman had I hate to do this,

970
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 2: you know, I feel like I'm guilty becase I'm gonna

971
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 2: do it twice in the podcast. But they're you know,

972
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 2: sometimes you get really short, undersized interior guys and if

973
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:15,360
Speaker 2: they're super explosive and twitchy, they you know, they're the

974
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:18,239
Speaker 2: poor man's Aaron Donald, right or they're or at least

975
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 2: they're the poor man's Elijah Cansey, you know. And this guy,

976
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:25,839
Speaker 2: I think he's probably strong, stronger than Elijah. I mean.

977
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:28,759
Speaker 2: And when I talk to people at SMU, they were like,

978
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 2: you have to have this is you know, it might

979
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 2: have been even two years ago where he was that way,

980
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 2: and it was like you wonder what he was gonna

981
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 2: be in the NFL because you think, okay, he can

982
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 2: help in special teams. Is he a guy who somebody

983
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:47,439
Speaker 2: would make as like a short yardage fullback because he's

984
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 2: so strong and so explosive, Like there's a lot of

985
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:53,319
Speaker 2: stuff you can do with them. I'm I'm not surprised

986
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 2: that he has created some buzz with the Giants. I

987
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 2: am surprised you said what you just said, because Dexter

988
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:01,879
Speaker 2: Lewentz is like seven are sixty pounds bigger than him.

989
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:04,400
Speaker 1: Legitimately, yes, Cyan's.

990
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 2: Compared to him, But I'm not surprised he's created a

991
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 2: lot of buzz because he's a pretty special athlete in

992
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:10,560
Speaker 2: his own right.

993
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 3: I asked you about the last guy in your list.

994
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 3: I'm glad to see him make the list. Brett Gabbert.

995
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 3: And that name sounds the familiar to a lot of viewers,

996
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:21,759
Speaker 3: yet it is the it is the little brother of

997
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:24,319
Speaker 3: Blaine Gabbert. I mean, this is a guy. When he's

998
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 3: on the field, he shows a lot of skills, got

999
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 3: a good arm, he's mobile. But the guy just can't

1000
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 3: stay Hell, they can't stay on the field. Went back

1001
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:34,359
Speaker 3: to Miami will Howe for another season. Hopefully it works

1002
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 3: out for him this year.

1003
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:37,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he had to go back. I mean he

1004
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 2: so last October late October, they're six and one, Toledo's

1005
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:45,759
Speaker 2: six and one, and they're playing a game and he

1006
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 2: breaks his leg and it's gruesome. Chuck Martin is the

1007
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:50,920
Speaker 2: head coach there. He told me, I went out on

1008
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 2: the field and it's like a little kid at a

1009
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 2: her move. You're saying, don't look at don't look, don't look,

1010
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 2: and he goes. I peeked down and I got noxious,

1011
00:48:57,640 --> 00:48:59,480
Speaker 2: and I was like, why did I do that? And

1012
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 2: when they basically gave Gabbart a twelve to sixteen month

1013
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:09,880
Speaker 2: timetable for his recovery, wow, he was like, I'm making

1014
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:11,360
Speaker 2: it back. This is going to be my He's a

1015
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:12,799
Speaker 2: six year guy, this is going to be my last

1016
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:15,400
Speaker 2: year of college football. I'm making it back for the opener.

1017
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:18,359
Speaker 2: And so part of why he's on the Freaks list

1018
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 2: is his his his resilience and toughness to get back.

1019
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 2: He's already back at practice. He told me he will

1020
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 2: be the starter when I open. I think the day

1021
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 2: is like instead of twelve to sixteen month, it's like

1022
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:31,719
Speaker 2: three hundred and fifteen days from the time he got

1023
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:34,880
Speaker 2: hurt to that. And Tony Wright, because he had a

1024
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:39,440
Speaker 2: broken collar bone. The year before, he missed about half

1025
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:41,360
Speaker 2: the season. You know, he's not like his brother in

1026
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:44,920
Speaker 2: terms of like I remember, I remember Blaine. He's like

1027
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 2: a lead eleven quarterback. He's big. I mean, I don't know,

1028
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:51,279
Speaker 2: I'm trying to remember. He's probably every bit of six

1029
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 2: four two twenty and he could really run. You know,

1030
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 2: his brother's probably like three inches shorter. And I imagine

1031
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 2: at some point he will be a coach if he

1032
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 2: wants to be a coach. And I want to see,

1033
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 2: you know, like they're a good team and he's a

1034
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:10,200
Speaker 2: great leader, and everybody's kind of kind of wowed by

1035
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:15,239
Speaker 2: his toughness and his unselfishness and all those things. And

1036
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:19,000
Speaker 2: you know, he told me when he was laying on

1037
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:20,880
Speaker 2: the on the ground, he goes, I remember he was.

1038
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 2: He was like, I was not worried about me. I'll

1039
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 2: be fine. I just felt really bad that my family

1040
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 2: and friends would all come in to see this game,

1041
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:31,400
Speaker 2: you know, or what they were thinking, knowing I was

1042
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 2: there on a broken leg with the bone sticking out

1043
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:34,399
Speaker 2: of the skin.

1044
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 1: Yeh, final question from me, Bruce, and then and then

1045
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:40,280
Speaker 1: I'll let Tony wrap us up here. I like asking

1046
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:42,279
Speaker 1: you this it's open ended, so I apologize for that

1047
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 1: ahead of time. But no one's more plugged into college

1048
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:47,959
Speaker 1: football talks more people than you do. What's the underrated storyline, Lauren?

1049
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 1: College football this year that you don't think enough people

1050
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:52,360
Speaker 1: are talking about that you think is really going to

1051
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:55,400
Speaker 1: impact how this year's goes, which obviously is going to

1052
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:56,839
Speaker 1: impact what happens in the NFL Draft.

1053
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:00,640
Speaker 2: I don't know if this is exact actly where you'd

1054
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 2: want me to go. But the thing that I think

1055
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:05,719
Speaker 2: people don't know enough or haven't realized yet is that

1056
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:07,920
Speaker 2: you know, this time of year, especially this week, you know,

1057
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:11,920
Speaker 2: had the AP Top twenty five come out, and you

1058
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 2: see the top ten teams or top twenty five, but

1059
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 2: you you know, see that and you're just conditioned to think, Okay,

1060
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:19,799
Speaker 2: there's gonna be a twelve team playoff, and you know

1061
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:21,800
Speaker 2: that's how it's going to kind of shape off of

1062
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 2: whatever the top twenty five looks like. And that's probably

1063
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 2: not going to be the way it is because you're

1064
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 2: going to have all the ACC and the Big twelve

1065
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 2: in addition to the SEC in the Big Ten, those

1066
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:37,840
Speaker 2: conference champs are going to have automatic automatic buys, and

1067
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:40,239
Speaker 2: they're going to be the top four seeds. If the

1068
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 2: Big twelve is what I think it is, you may

1069
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:44,359
Speaker 2: have a ten to three champ that's probably not even

1070
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:46,800
Speaker 2: in the top eight, but they're going to be sitting

1071
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:50,279
Speaker 2: there at number four in the poll, and and there

1072
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 2: are they will already for sure the one team that

1073
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:57,920
Speaker 2: makes the twelve team playoff that started the season preseason unranked.

1074
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:00,879
Speaker 2: And the reason why that is is because there are

1075
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 2: no teams outside the Power four in the top twenty

1076
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:07,320
Speaker 2: five preseason top twenty five. Usually there are a couple

1077
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 2: that make that somewhere between like eighteen and twenty five.

1078
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 2: This year there aren't. Well one of those teams that's

1079
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 2: not is going to make the playoff. And I just

1080
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 2: think as people sit there and watch the course of

1081
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:20,240
Speaker 2: the season, that's going to be really fascinating to see,

1082
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:23,279
Speaker 2: you know, how many teams are still in play for

1083
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:24,240
Speaker 2: a playoff spot.

1084
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:25,280
Speaker 1: That's a great answer.

1085
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:29,280
Speaker 3: One question about the list this year. Did you find

1086
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:32,400
Speaker 3: that you had more small school players in the past

1087
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 3: same amount or less? When I say small school players,

1088
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 3: I'm talking about non FBS schools.

1089
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:42,439
Speaker 2: I have had a lot in the last couple of years,

1090
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:45,880
Speaker 2: but I definitely feel like I might have had more

1091
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 2: I do. There was a few that, like, you know,

1092
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 2: it's funny because I did a second Day story after

1093
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:56,040
Speaker 2: Freaks List and there's a player from and because this

1094
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:58,360
Speaker 2: is like, you know, a giant's podcast, I feel like

1095
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:00,920
Speaker 2: I can say this school it's like Middlebury College in Vermont.

1096
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 2: If I do most college football stuff. I didn't even

1097
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:05,880
Speaker 2: think they know where Vermont is much less. We're Middlebury.

1098
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:11,920
Speaker 2: And Thomas Perry is a offensive lineman who is super strong.

1099
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:14,319
Speaker 2: Another guy who, by the way, was a you'll see

1100
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 2: a trend here. It was a it was a top

1101
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:20,399
Speaker 2: level high school wrestler. Schools in the New England area

1102
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:23,080
Speaker 2: did not even recruit him. He went to Middlebury's gone

1103
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:27,920
Speaker 2: there and he started to get some buzz like Duke Manuweather,

1104
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:30,800
Speaker 2: who's you know, great with o Lie guys in the process.

1105
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:33,560
Speaker 2: He's been working with this kid. He had him for

1106
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:36,640
Speaker 2: like five weeks and his strength numbers are really really

1107
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:41,919
Speaker 2: high level. His his agility numbers are still good. He's

1108
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:44,120
Speaker 2: somebody I was like on the fence on I probably

1109
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 2: should have had him on, but I wanted to at

1110
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:49,920
Speaker 2: least tell his story of you know, his rise, and

1111
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:52,239
Speaker 2: so I ended up doing like a separate story on him,

1112
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:55,040
Speaker 2: and there's like five other guys who are like kind

1113
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:57,680
Speaker 2: of look almost on the cut. As you know, as

1114
00:53:57,719 --> 00:53:59,799
Speaker 2: you guys had asked me about Gabbert, I definitely wanted

1115
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 2: to have Gabert on there this year, and I thought

1116
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 2: it was a good way to kind of end. It's

1117
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:06,960
Speaker 2: actually like a story within the Freaks List, but you know,

1118
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:09,400
Speaker 2: I could have easily done one hundred and twenty guys,

1119
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 2: and so I wanted to at least bring some of

1120
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:14,960
Speaker 2: those other small school guys that I didn't have room for. Like,

1121
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:17,560
Speaker 2: I mean, we didn't talk about this, but on one

1122
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:19,439
Speaker 2: of the guys in the Freakslist, there's a really really

1123
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:23,480
Speaker 2: good offensive tackle from William and Mary. It's two hundred

1124
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:26,240
Speaker 2: and forty pounds out of high school and had William

1125
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:28,359
Speaker 2: and Mary offered him and a school in Virginia I'd

1126
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:32,920
Speaker 2: never heard of was the other school. And he's gonna

1127
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:36,920
Speaker 2: test great, and they they, you know, really love what

1128
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:39,080
Speaker 2: they see from this kid. It's a big, big deal

1129
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:41,520
Speaker 2: that he's still there and like didn't get poached by

1130
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:44,000
Speaker 2: a power of five school offering him a ton of

1131
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:45,319
Speaker 2: money to come play for them.

1132
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:49,480
Speaker 3: Grant Charles Grant is the offensive tackle from William and

1133
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:52,319
Speaker 3: Mary and he's already graded. He's already predict projected by

1134
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 3: Scott to be a day to prospect. So we'll be

1135
00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:57,759
Speaker 3: seeing him in the postseason, probably at the Senior Bowl.

1136
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:02,799
Speaker 2: I like it. Yeah, he's definitely one that like everybody loves.

1137
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:04,440
Speaker 2: He's got good laying him. He's not three hundred and

1138
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:07,000
Speaker 2: twenty pounds. He's now up to three hundred, but again

1139
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:08,360
Speaker 2: he was two forty in high school.

1140
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:11,000
Speaker 1: That's great, Bruce. Before we say goodbye, here, tell the

1141
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:13,080
Speaker 1: folks everything else you have gone on where they can

1142
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:14,600
Speaker 1: find you on Fox, what else you have in the

1143
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:16,880
Speaker 1: athletic and if you want to, you can give a

1144
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:18,680
Speaker 1: clue as to how difficult it is putting this thing

1145
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:21,839
Speaker 1: together and how time consuming is. I think we all

1146
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:23,839
Speaker 1: appreciate it when it comes out. Every year. We talk

1147
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:25,359
Speaker 1: to you twice. You talk to you now, We talk

1148
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:28,480
Speaker 1: to you when you have your little you know, inside

1149
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:30,680
Speaker 1: college football, mock draft type of thing before the draft.

1150
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:32,640
Speaker 1: But just tell people what you're doing where they can

1151
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:34,359
Speaker 1: find you, and then kind of how you put this

1152
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:35,359
Speaker 1: thing together every year.

1153
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I spent quite a bit of time on

1154
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:40,600
Speaker 2: it and a lot, a ton of phone calls and

1155
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 2: texts and everything, but it's it's a you know, it's

1156
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:45,799
Speaker 2: something I love working on. I feel like it's it's

1157
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:47,680
Speaker 2: the best way for me to get ready for the season.

1158
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:49,719
Speaker 2: I feel like it's also a great way to spotlight

1159
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:52,879
Speaker 2: a lot of the guys who you know, come through

1160
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:55,400
Speaker 2: the Senior Bowl, you know, East West, you know, process

1161
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:57,440
Speaker 2: to kind of get out in front of it. I mean,

1162
00:55:57,520 --> 00:55:59,880
Speaker 2: I'm grateful to a lot of the Scouts and nfls

1163
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:02,840
Speaker 2: who have you know, I can share notes with the

1164
00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:06,319
Speaker 2: kind of and kind of talk through some stuff. I mean,

1165
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:09,280
Speaker 2: it's my favorite thing to do. Uh, it's my favorite

1166
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:10,600
Speaker 2: thing to work on, I should say, you know, in

1167
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:13,880
Speaker 2: terms of that. And you know, if anybody it's like

1168
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:17,239
Speaker 2: just check out the Freaks List. You can find it

1169
00:56:17,239 --> 00:56:20,320
Speaker 2: somewhere on the Athletic or find it on my somewhere

1170
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:23,120
Speaker 2: on my social media. You know, I've tweeted out a

1171
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:24,640
Speaker 2: bunch of different links because it's just one of those

1172
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:27,600
Speaker 2: things where there's like one hundred and one different stories

1173
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:29,680
Speaker 2: in it. You know, like there's a ton of guys,

1174
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:32,799
Speaker 2: Like we can't talk about every single guy in there.

1175
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:35,440
Speaker 2: We would be doing this for like three days, you

1176
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:37,520
Speaker 2: know kind of thing. And that's what I love about

1177
00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:40,480
Speaker 2: it because there's just so many different ways that people

1178
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:41,440
Speaker 2: can can find it.

1179
00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:43,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, and your colleague Dan Brugo is don a good job.

1180
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:46,200
Speaker 1: He's putting his preseason list out there too. And then

1181
00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:47,440
Speaker 1: totally why don't I tell the folks when they can

1182
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:49,680
Speaker 1: find your preseason stuff as well before we say goodbye here.

1183
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:53,839
Speaker 3: Obviously sports Sketa going through all the conference team by

1184
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:57,160
Speaker 3: team with rating all the NFL prospects. Some guys that

1185
00:56:57,200 --> 00:56:59,560
Speaker 3: are going to be top one hundred picks, some guys

1186
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:03,520
Speaker 3: that write now great is undrafted selections, but that will

1187
00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:06,239
Speaker 3: change as we saw with Jayden Daniels last year. Who

1188
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:09,040
Speaker 3: a year ago when we were doing this this show,

1189
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:11,080
Speaker 3: you always projected to be a fifth round pick ends

1190
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:12,560
Speaker 3: up as a second pick of the draft.

1191
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:15,200
Speaker 1: And that's why they play the games. And Bruce Fox

1192
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:17,600
Speaker 1: Sports one Fox College Football too.

1193
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:20,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, Big New Yeah, I'm on with the Big New

1194
00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:22,960
Speaker 2: kickoff show. Like I said, we have we have some

1195
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:24,840
Speaker 2: great games out of the gate. We actually have I'm

1196
00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:27,160
Speaker 2: in studio for a week zero game. We have New

1197
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:31,960
Speaker 2: Mexico against Montana State. Montana State's a good FS really

1198
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:34,480
Speaker 2: good FCS program. So can't wait for the season. The

1199
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:35,280
Speaker 2: games are almost.

1200
00:57:35,080 --> 00:57:37,520
Speaker 1: Here, Bruce, thanks so much. That's your first episode of

1201
00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 1: Draft season, brought to you by Moodies for Tony, for Bruce,

1202
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:41,520
Speaker 1: I'm SCHMLK. We'll see you next time. Everybody,