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Speaker 1: Welcome into the Lounge presented by DraftKings. I'm Ryan Mink

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Speaker 1: here with Garrett Downing, and we are getting ready for

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Speaker 1: the home stretch. Here, Garrett, three games to decide the

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Speaker 1: AFC North. The Ravens are one game behind the Pittsburgh

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Speaker 1: Steelers following the Steelers win on Monday Night Football over

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Speaker 1: the Miami Dolphins. We both watched that game. Turns it

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Speaker 1: off early. It wasn't going the way I wanted.

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Speaker 2: It to go.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I just kind of put cold water on a

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Speaker 3: good football weekend exactly.

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Speaker 1: But the Ravens are still very much in the thick

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Speaker 1: of this race and still control their own destiny. So

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Speaker 1: we're gonna break all that down, give you some injury

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Speaker 1: updates and other updates from John Harball's Monday press conference,

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Speaker 1: as well as look back on some of the film

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Speaker 1: from the ravens twenty four to nothing shutout win over

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Speaker 1: the Cincinnati Bengals. So Garrett, let's just first talk big

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Speaker 1: picture here. The Ravens are still in fine position at

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Speaker 1: thirty seven percent chance of making the playoffs, according to

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Speaker 1: the New York Times slash Athletic, which all right, all right,

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Speaker 1: you know I wish you were higher than that, but

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Speaker 1: I could work with thirty seven and the Ravens control

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Speaker 1: their own fate.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the biggest thing to me is as it

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Speaker 3: stands right now, the Ravens control their own destiny if

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Speaker 3: they went out there in the playoffs. And I think

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Speaker 3: that's the mentality of this team. And I think it

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Speaker 3: is easy to start going down the path of like,

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Speaker 3: had you won this game, you would be in much

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Speaker 3: better position. If you'd only beaten the Steelers, or if

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Speaker 3: you'd beaten the Bengals, or if you pick a game,

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Speaker 3: if you'd won this game, then you would be in

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Speaker 3: a much better situation. And I think it's only natural

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Speaker 3: to kind of go down that line of thinking. And

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Speaker 3: John Harbaugh closed out his press conference on Monday speaking

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Speaker 3: to that a little bit and basically made the point

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Speaker 3: that like, there's no benefit in looking backwards and trying

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Speaker 3: to replay all that in your mind and think about, well,

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Speaker 3: if you had done this, and you'd be in a

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Speaker 3: different situation. The way that the team is looking at

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Speaker 3: it is that this is the situation we find ourselves in.

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Speaker 3: This is our lot, and we need to go and

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Speaker 3: make the most And there again, their mentality is really

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Speaker 3: about winning out, and I think Lamar honestly does a

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Speaker 3: really good job of that. I think it's only natural

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Speaker 3: for fans and us and we're going to talk about

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Speaker 3: all these scenarios of like, well, if the Steelers lose

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Speaker 3: this game, what's the implication. I think that, like Lamar

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Speaker 3: is a is a real guy who sets the tone

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Speaker 3: in terms of like, it's not about what they do,

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Speaker 3: if it's about what we do. Let's go out ourselves

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Speaker 3: and take care of business, and then we don't need

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Speaker 3: to worry about the Dolphins coming up with an upset

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Speaker 4: Don't worry about that, focus on ourselves.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Now winning out would be a real challenge for

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Speaker 1: the Ravens. And now they played much better ball against

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Speaker 1: the Bengals, which we're going to talk about that, you know,

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Speaker 1: kind of the team that we've been expecting to see

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Speaker 1: that here to stay or not?

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Speaker 2: We're going to talk about that. But in order to

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Speaker 2: win out.

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Speaker 1: The Ravens would need to beat the New England Patriots,

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Speaker 1: the Green Bay Packers in Lambeau, and then close out

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Speaker 1: with a victory in Pittsburgh. Those are three Division leaders

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Speaker 1: as it stands right now with the combined record twenty

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Speaker 1: eight thirteen and one, so certainly a daunting challenge to

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Speaker 1: win out Absolutely not impossible. I think the Ravens can

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Speaker 1: do that, but it's not a cakewalk. The Steelers remaining schedule,

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Speaker 1: they traveled to Detroit to face the Lions. Lions are

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Speaker 1: Steelers go to Cleveland for a division rivalry game and

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Speaker 1: then host US in the finale in Pittsburgh. So that's

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Speaker 1: kind of how it's how it is laid out right.

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Speaker 2: Now, let's get into this.

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Speaker 3: Did you know this before we get to all the

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Speaker 3: playoff scenarios on that point of winning out, this was

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Speaker 3: a sat I was not even aware of until this week.

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Speaker 3: Did you know that Lamar Jackson has never lost a

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Speaker 2: Now, some of those there, you go, I mean, I think,

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Speaker 4: That's my point.

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Speaker 3: Now, Now, some of those years didn't play because he

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Speaker 3: in some week eighteen games has sat because the Ravens

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Speaker 3: not a lot of games in that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, us, you know, in that SA size, I want

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Speaker 4: It's sixteen to no.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, that's a lot of games.

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Speaker 3: That's a lot of games. So it's a pretty good

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Speaker 3: stretch there. So hopefully you can keep it going over

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Speaker 2: Which is kind of crazy.

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Speaker 1: I mean it speaks to Lamar like being in kind

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Speaker 1: interesting though, like he and the Ravens. You can't chalk

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Speaker 1: he and the Ravens played some good ball in late December.

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Speaker 3: I do actually think like the cold thing, Like he's

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Speaker 3: well call game. I mean that was the coldest game

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Speaker 3: Lamar looked good and this team played its best overall

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Speaker 3: game yep, And on the Monday Night football game. There

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Speaker 3: playing in the cold. He played in Green Bay for

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Speaker 3: the regularity of his career, and he made the point

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Speaker 3: that like, I'm a California guy that likes walking along

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Speaker 3: in the cold either. But he's played like a thousand

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Speaker 3: So even if you don't like it, I think that

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Speaker 3: Lamar has done fine in cold weather games, as evidenced

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Speaker 2: Yeah, completely agree.

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Speaker 1: All right, So let's go through the scenarios for the

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Speaker 2: That's just the way it works, which is.

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Speaker 1: Fine, Like to be you can't expect to be division

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Speaker 1: Really, to me, it's about forcing that winning getting game

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Speaker 3: Right, You just basically force a game seven, like that's

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Speaker 3: what exactly. That's so considering the way the Raves start

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Speaker 1: And in order to do that, the Ravens can win

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Speaker 1: put yourself in a position to win out. Like we

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Speaker 1: Right, So if the Steelers, the Steelers kick off against

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the Ravens basically have to keep pace with the

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Speaker 4: Yep, that final game.

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Speaker 3: You can't afford to lose any more ground, and you

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Speaker 3: the Lounge at Ravens at NFL dot net. We often

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Speaker 3: get good emails from Andrew Constantino. And Andrew asked, friend

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Speaker 3: of Lounge, friend of the lounge. If the Ravens beat

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Speaker 3: So this situation, the Steelers lose to Detroit, the Ravens

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it would be meaningless in terms of

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Speaker 1: I don't think you're gonna hear anybody hear the arm

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Speaker 1: And so it gets into the whole debate that we've

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Speaker 2: And I think that you know.

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Speaker 1: If guys are ready to play, and like, everybody's sore

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Speaker 2: Get in game again. In Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 2: Me too. I'll tell you who wouldn't like it.

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Speaker 1: So they're showing different ways to win Offensively, they seem

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Speaker 3: We're not gonna be easy. That's a tough assignment. Patriots

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Speaker 3: So as we look back at that game against the Bengals,

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Speaker 1: in particular his sack on the Bengals opening drive, they're

445
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Speaker 1: in range, they're in scoring range, and you know, for

446
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Speaker 1: him to bring down Joe Burrow and the open field

447
00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:00,240
Speaker 1: drive them out of field goal range, I thought that

448
00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:02,120
Speaker 1: was an early statement kind of play.

449
00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:02,600
Speaker 2: Yep.

450
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Speaker 1: And so good to have him back. And I really

451
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Speaker 1: like the combination that he and Draymont Jones give the Ravens.

452
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Speaker 1: I mean, these are two heavy handed, physical dudes, and

453
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Speaker 1: you know, Tavi's that outside lineback kicked Draymont more in

454
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Speaker 1: toward that d ND role that we talked with him

455
00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:24,320
Speaker 1: about another friend at Loune and I just think it

456
00:19:24,359 --> 00:19:28,800
Speaker 1: adds some more bite to this Ravens defense. And really

457
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Speaker 1: it was pretty remarkable the amount of pass rush that

458
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Speaker 1: the Ravens got. Ten quarterback hits on Joe Burrow, five

459
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Speaker 1: of which from Draymont Jones. Tavis also had the pressure

460
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Speaker 1: that on the interception, but it was incredible without blitzing.

461
00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:46,600
Speaker 1: They only have four blitzes the whole game. The Ravens

462
00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:48,920
Speaker 1: did so not a lot of extra pressure from Zach

463
00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:51,480
Speaker 1: Orr but still able to get to Joe Burrow. I

464
00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:54,280
Speaker 1: thought that was a really good sign for this defense

465
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Speaker 1: going down the stretch. They're gonna have to do that

466
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Speaker 1: against Drake May and Georgia. You know they're going to

467
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Speaker 1: need to continue that here down the street.

468
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Speaker 3: Well, you mentioned the interception. That was the other play

469
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Speaker 3: with Tavius that stood out to me. He was the

470
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Speaker 3: one that was applying the pressure on the the Kyle

471
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Speaker 3: van Noy interception, which you kind of forget the start

472
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Speaker 3: of that play because there was so much excitement on

473
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Speaker 3: the back end of the play, which was handing them

474
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Speaker 3: all off to a lowhi Gillman and letting him run

475
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Speaker 3: to the house. But on that play, I give zach

476
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Speaker 3: Ran defensive coaches a lot of credit because that was

477
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Speaker 3: really schemed up.

478
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Speaker 2: Well.

479
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Speaker 4: First of all, Kyle van Noy is.

480
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Speaker 3: Obviously dropping on that play, but also Travis Jones. Travis

481
00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:29,760
Speaker 3: Jones faked base pressure up the middle that he backed

482
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Speaker 3: off into coverage. You don't see the three hundred and

483
00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:34,080
Speaker 3: twenty pounder backing off too often, but the Ravens did that,

484
00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:36,159
Speaker 3: and they've done that who of course we remember the

485
00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:37,880
Speaker 3: Michael Pierce interception from last year.

486
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Speaker 4: The Ravens have.

487
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Speaker 3: Done that with their defensive tackles of that seemed to

488
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Speaker 3: confuse the line and open things up for Tavius to

489
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Speaker 3: get in there and apply pressure on Burrow.

490
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Speaker 1: Well, both guys, I thought van Ney also, it's it's

491
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Speaker 1: this pressure technique where you kind of start your pressure

492
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Speaker 1: you touch, you reach out and touch the offensive lineman,

493
00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:59,199
Speaker 1: so there they slide to block you and then you

494
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Speaker 1: back off. Yeah, right, so they're already kind of committed.

495
00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:04,160
Speaker 1: That opened the lane for Tavius, who did a nice

496
00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:07,360
Speaker 1: job of seizing upon that and kind of beat his

497
00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:12,320
Speaker 1: man also, and then he's barreling down on Joe Burrow.

498
00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:16,960
Speaker 1: Burrow saw Travis Jones. Travis was was dropping underneath to

499
00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:19,200
Speaker 1: kind of take away the quick throat to the tight end.

500
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Speaker 1: That's where Burrow tried to go. He was like, all right,

501
00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:25,359
Speaker 1: I'll test my luck with Travis Jones in coverage or whatever.

502
00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:28,399
Speaker 1: But he's kind of stumbling as he throws and just

503
00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:31,840
Speaker 1: throws up a softball to Kyle van Noy, who picked

504
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Speaker 1: it off.

505
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and then obviously that the rest of that play was,

506
00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:37,040
Speaker 3: uh was one to remember.

507
00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:41,520
Speaker 1: And the question is now Kyle Van Noy went on

508
00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:47,000
Speaker 1: his podcast and he said that he considered taking it

509
00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:49,520
Speaker 1: back all the way, that it was looking pretty good.

510
00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:51,440
Speaker 2: Looking at that end zone all the way down there.

511
00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:53,199
Speaker 2: But he was like, ah, i'll hand it.

512
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Speaker 4: It was pretty good, but it was pretty far.

513
00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:55,400
Speaker 2: He was pretty far.

514
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Speaker 1: And he but he does believe that he could have

515
00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:03,639
Speaker 1: made himself ninety five yards if he had not handed

516
00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:04,680
Speaker 1: off to a Lowhi Gilwin.

517
00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:05,440
Speaker 2: So what do you think?

518
00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:07,800
Speaker 4: Uh, that's a great ques.

519
00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:10,800
Speaker 3: Honestly, Like when I was watching that play and Aloha

520
00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:13,600
Speaker 3: started to get through the offensive lineman kind of get

521
00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:16,720
Speaker 3: through the wash there, it was all of a sudden,

522
00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:18,760
Speaker 3: he was just nothing but green grass. Like, I was

523
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Speaker 3: surprised at how easy he made it look once he

524
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Speaker 3: got past that first layer. So I think that van

525
00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:26,199
Speaker 3: Noy could have probably gotten by the offensive lineman in

526
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Speaker 3: pursuit and then take it to the house. Now there

527
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Speaker 3: was a tight end who was chasing down Tanner Hudson

528
00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:33,359
Speaker 3: right who was right behind, who I think had a

529
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Speaker 3: decent chance of catching Van Noy if he did try

530
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Speaker 3: to take it to the house.

531
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Speaker 4: That was your main that's the main guy that you

532
00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:40,800
Speaker 4: gotta worry about.

533
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Speaker 2: That's the guy. And the offensive linemen weren't really a problem.

534
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Speaker 4: No, they were just they were kind of they were

535
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Speaker 4: there first time the play.

536
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Speaker 1: They were they were there at first, but they were

537
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Speaker 1: going to be beaten breeasily.

538
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Speaker 3: And so then it's a question of can you out

539
00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:57,119
Speaker 3: run Tanner Hudson And that's that's a little dicier for him.

540
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Speaker 1: Well, so I did some digging, all right. I got

541
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Speaker 1: scientific on this because I wanted to answer the question

542
00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:03,720
Speaker 1: would he have made it right? So I went back

543
00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:06,480
Speaker 1: and I looked at Kyle van Noy's top speeds. Okay,

544
00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:09,320
Speaker 1: he hit eighteen miles per hour, that's right around even

545
00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:11,360
Speaker 1: for his career, and he hit it early this year,

546
00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:13,880
Speaker 1: Week one, eighteen miles p hour.

547
00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:15,960
Speaker 2: Not a great play to get it on.

548
00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:18,880
Speaker 1: It was a touchdown, the tip touchdown in Buffalo where

549
00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:20,200
Speaker 1: ball got tipped in back in the ends and he

550
00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:22,480
Speaker 1: was trying he was chasing Josh Allen as Josh Allen

551
00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:26,120
Speaker 1: through that pass and KBN hit eighteen miles per.

552
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Speaker 2: Hour on that pretty good, petty good.

553
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Speaker 1: Okay, now, lo he hit like he was over twenty Yeah, okay,

554
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Speaker 1: But so I plugged this in.

555
00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:37,080
Speaker 2: This is the beauty of AI. Okay.

556
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Speaker 1: I went back and found Tanner Hudson his speed when

557
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Speaker 1: he hit nineteen point five eight miles per trying to

558
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Speaker 1: chase ALOHI okay, So let's say Tanner.

559
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:49,440
Speaker 2: Runs just as fast. Yeah, desplite who he's chasing. Okay.

560
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Speaker 1: The question is would a man traveling eighteen miles p

561
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Speaker 1: hour beat another man traveling nineteen point five eight miles

562
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Speaker 1: p hour in one hundred yard race if he had

563
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Speaker 1: a ten yard head start.

564
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Speaker 2: Kvian had a headstar.

565
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Speaker 4: This is like my act questions back exactly exactly.

566
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Speaker 1: I was like, there's no way I can answer this

567
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Speaker 1: myself anymore.

568
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:07,800
Speaker 4: The train lead's.

569
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Speaker 3: Baltimore at ten ten am exactly That's.

570
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Speaker 1: Exactly what I was thinking about. I was like, there's

571
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Speaker 1: no way I could solve this on my own. But

572
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Speaker 1: this is what AI s here, Okay, so I plug

573
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Speaker 1: that in. Yes, the man traveling eighteen miles per hour

574
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Speaker 1: would beat the man traveling nineteen point five eight miles

575
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Speaker 1: p hour because he completes the remaining distance approximately zero

576
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Speaker 1: point two two seconds faster.

577
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:31,280
Speaker 2: So that's it's tighty.

578
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Speaker 3: He's hustled the entire way down the field, like Gilman

579
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Speaker 3: got to like the twenty yard line and he realized

580
00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:39,359
Speaker 3: that nobody was really going to catch it, and he

581
00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:40,560
Speaker 3: got a cruise into the This was.

582
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Speaker 2: Going to be a photo finish himself. So like, could

583
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Speaker 2: you have gotten a shoelace tackle?

584
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:48,080
Speaker 4: And how much gases in the tank?

585
00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:48,760
Speaker 3: I think?

586
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:50,679
Speaker 2: Right right? Does he maintain that speed?

587
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:53,480
Speaker 1: This train might have been slowing down near the end,

588
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:55,359
Speaker 1: so I don't know.

589
00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:58,400
Speaker 3: All right, Well, look, the uh, the powers of AI

590
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Speaker 3: tell us that he could have done it.

591
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:01,879
Speaker 2: I believe, So you believe. I believe.

592
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:04,440
Speaker 4: I love it. I love it. That's great.

593
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:07,040
Speaker 3: But the other point, just quickly to go back to this,

594
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 3: I mentioned it off the top and talk about Tavius Robinson.

595
00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 3: We got sidetracked with the act questions here. But but,

596
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:14,960
Speaker 3: but our Darius Washington did come back in this game

597
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:19,880
Speaker 3: and didn't have a didn't make a big impact from

598
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Speaker 3: a stat standpoint or anything.

599
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:22,440
Speaker 4: But first of all, like.

600
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Speaker 1: Just incrediblenaps two tackles, yeah, fifty STAPs two tackles, just

601
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Speaker 1: to get back on the field.

602
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:30,040
Speaker 3: Considering the torn achilles in the spring, when a lot

603
00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:33,399
Speaker 3: of people thought that was a season ender, pretty remarkable,

604
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:35,639
Speaker 3: and it also like it speaks to his recovery. And

605
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:37,800
Speaker 3: talked to John Harball about this last week, and he

606
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:39,639
Speaker 3: talked about the fact that it was one of the

607
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Speaker 3: best recovery processes that he's seen and and felt like

608
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 3: this was of course Ardarius deserves a lot of credit

609
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Speaker 3: for working his way back, but had a lot of

610
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Speaker 3: praise for him. And even during the game, he had

611
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Speaker 3: a conversation with our Darius on the sidelines and made

612
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,720
Speaker 3: the point that just basically, how how impressive is it

613
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Speaker 3: that you're able to play be out here, flying around

614
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 3: given what you've had to overcome. Even in the game,

615
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:07,439
Speaker 3: he was thinking about that for Darius Washington, and I

616
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:10,159
Speaker 3: think that speaks to how impressed the Ravens had been

617
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:13,000
Speaker 3: with his work ethic and willingness to try to get

618
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:13,720
Speaker 3: back on this field.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and he inspired this team honestly last week and

620
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Speaker 1: moving forward, just that story of seven months after an

621
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Speaker 1: achilles to work your way back to just get on

622
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 1: the field, Like every other player on this team and

623
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 1: especially the defense, looks around and says, yeah, I'm sore,

624
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:32,120
Speaker 1: but man, look at what that guy just went through.

625
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:33,400
Speaker 2: Just to get back, like to.

626
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:36,720
Speaker 1: Give it everything you got, even when you know it's

627
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 1: not looking good for this team to make the playoffs,

628
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 1: like to keep fighting and get back, Like how how

629
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:44,960
Speaker 1: can I complain about my soreness?

630
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:45,640
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?

631
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 1: And also just the way that Ourdaius plays and everything.

632
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 1: Multiple players said he added some more juice to practice

633
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 1: last week, and then John Harball said the same thing.

634
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 1: In the game, just like watching this guy play, he

635
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,679
Speaker 1: adds an energy level. And we all remember what he

636
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:04,439
Speaker 1: brought to this defense in the second half of last season,

637
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 1: Like here's the shortest dude on the field and he's

638
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,919
Speaker 1: popping people. Yeah, you know, unafraid of anything, and so

639
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 1: that just rubs off on everybody. And I do think

640
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 1: that it could help lift this defense the rest of

641
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:21,399
Speaker 1: the way. The guy who I remember. The story that

642
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:24,360
Speaker 1: I remember is Threll Suggs coming back the Super Bowl year. Yep,

643
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:28,479
Speaker 1: very similar story. That was an achilles that he popped

644
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 1: in the spring, the spring exactly playing basketball or something

645
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 1: like that, I remember, And he came back late in

646
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 1: the year and.

647
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:38,359
Speaker 2: Ravens on the Super Bowl. So right back there we go.

648
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:40,360
Speaker 3: I like the idea of that, hey, because he made

649
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:42,119
Speaker 3: it back way earlier than anybody expected.

650
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:43,960
Speaker 4: I think he wasn't even a full seven months, and the.

651
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 2: Fact that was an incredible recovery, and so yeah, I.

652
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 3: Just think that when you have a guy that does that,

653
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 3: I do think it can serve as a source of motivation.

654
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 3: And that's the case for a Darius. A couple other

655
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:58,840
Speaker 3: notes just from the game on Sunday. One point that

656
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 3: was kind of a fun one is John Harball was

657
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:05,679
Speaker 3: talking about chasing perfection and he mentioned the perfect play

658
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:07,679
Speaker 3: from the game. And it's probably not one that you

659
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:11,200
Speaker 3: necessarily would have thought of as the perfect play because

660
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:13,639
Speaker 3: you're probably thinking, okay, is that the touchdown return? The

661
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 3: interception return? Like what is it? It was actually a

662
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:18,680
Speaker 3: pitch play to the right. Derrick Henry went for about

663
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 3: twenty yards a nineteen yard run, and he said that

664
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Speaker 3: was the perfect play where everybody did exactly what was

665
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Speaker 3: expected of them and the Ravens ended up picking a

666
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Speaker 3: nineteen yard game on that play.

667
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's kind of cool. The bigger, the larger point.

668
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 1: Was you always have to keep chasing perfection. That's what

669
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 1: the Ravens do, right, And they played a great game

670
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Speaker 1: against the Bengals.

671
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Speaker 2: Did they play a perfect game?

672
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Speaker 1: No, But like John Harball's belief is that you can

673
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Speaker 1: achieve perfection. It's not like it's always this carrot on

674
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Speaker 1: this end of the stick that you can never quite.

675
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 2: Get that you can achieve it.

676
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Speaker 1: At times it flashes and said that was an example of.

677
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 2: That perfect play. What I really love.

678
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Speaker 1: About watching that play back because as soon as I

679
00:28:58,720 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 1: came out with the Presthcrams, I was like, all right

680
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 1: to go watch that and it was blocked up exceptionally well.

681
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 1: I think my favorite part of the play, beyond the design,

682
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 1: which was was clever, it was misdirection toss. It was

683
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 1: Charlie Kohler on that play. He's the backside tight end

684
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 1: responsible for kind of backside blocking use man. He pulls

685
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 1: all the way around and Charlie was trucking. Yeah, I

686
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 1: should have looked up top feed on him, and he

687
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 1: was moving to get out in front of that play

688
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 1: and in front of Derek Henry on that run, and

689
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,959
Speaker 1: that just kind of bowls into some Bengals there to

690
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 1: try to kind of clear the rest of the way.

691
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Speaker 1: I thought it was a very impressive hustle play by

692
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Speaker 1: Charlie Kohler, who.

693
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 2: Got the highest grades.

694
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 1: From Pro Football Focus among anybody on the Ravens offense

695
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 1: and continues to get high grades. He's gotten high grades

696
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 1: all really all season, and so that that was a

697
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 1: pretty cool play for Charlie.

698
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Speaker 3: Well, he also had three special teams tackles and got

699
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 3: a game ball after the game did on hardball, so

700
00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 3: the coaches certainly took notice of what he was able

701
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Speaker 3: to do.

702
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 4: And then we have an email here that I want

703
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Speaker 4: to read.

704
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:03,239
Speaker 3: Uh.

705
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 4: This is again.

706
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 3: You can email us at the lounge at Ravens dot

707
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 3: NFL dot net. This is from John Strummel, who says

708
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 3: I had a very dick and seond thought about the season.

709
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 3: The Ravens' best game and their worst game came against

710
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 3: the Bengals, same opponent, wildly different outcomes. It makes this

711
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 3: year feel more unpredictable than any Ravens season that I

712
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 3: can remember. Week to week, even quarter to quarter, It's

713
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 3: impossible to know which version of the team is going

714
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 3: to be there. Curious what you think. Does this season

715
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 3: feel uniquely volatile to you? Or is this just the

716
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 3: modern NFL turned up to eleven and he says thanks

717
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 3: for keeping us saying and entertained this year.

718
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Speaker 4: So what's your take? Is that just I guess actually,

719
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 4: let me just start on this.

720
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Speaker 3: Like my take is that I look around the league

721
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 3: and this is what it seems to be like from it.

722
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 4: Just seems like that's the case.

723
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 1: I feel like we say this every year, but there's

724
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:52,240
Speaker 1: no one dominant team like in the past.

725
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 4: For the past sure, sure, like the Chiefs are out

726
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 4: of it. They've been the dominant team. The Eagles won

727
00:30:58,440 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 4: the Super Bowl last year.

728
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 3: It doesn't take read some of the headlines of Philly

729
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 3: from the past month, like, there's a lot of volatility

730
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 3: in the NFL, and it seems to be more than

731
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 3: I can remember.

732
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Speaker 1: Well, especially Yeah, in the AFC, the traditional Titans are

733
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 1: not leading the way and you know you the division

734
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 1: leaders right now or the New England Patricots who people

735
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 1: thought were going to be better this year, but didn't

736
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 1: think they were going to be like contending for the

737
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 1: number one seed.

738
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 2: Yeah.

739
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 1: Right, And and then you have the North is down

740
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:32,479
Speaker 1: which usually this is really the strongest division. Now Ravens

741
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 1: Steelers duking it out. That's nothing new. The South, the

742
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 1: Jags are leading the way, the Texans are really really good,

743
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 1: the Colts are now the Colts were the kind of

744
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 1: the darling girl in the year. Then you have the

745
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 1: Broncos in the West that are right now the number

746
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 1: one seed in the conference. And so it has been

747
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 1: really weird in the AFC. Now, I do every single

748
00:31:56,600 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 1: year the whole NFL Circle of Pair already graphic comes

749
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 1: out of like, well, this team beat this team, but

750
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 1: then they beat that team and they beat that and

751
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 1: it's just like crazy, like everybody beats everybody, you know

752
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 1: over the.

753
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 2: Course of the NFL season.

754
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 1: It's just at what, at what week of the season

755
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 1: does that circle get completed?

756
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, is the question.

757
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 1: So I do feel like generally speaking, the league is Yeah,

758
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 1: it's it's a tough league to win in. And and

759
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 1: even Charlie Kohler when he joined us talked about this,

760
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 1: like why there's such high variance is because it's such

761
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 1: a team game and you have to have like everybody

762
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 1: doing the right thing to have success. That like it's

763
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 1: even it's easy even for really good teams. Like one

764
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 1: little park goes wrong and you know that plays busted

765
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 1: or and that play decides the game or whatever. Right,

766
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 1: I mean, how many games have the Ravens been in Isaiah?

767
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 2: Likely?

768
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Speaker 1: You know, the call against the Steelers kind of change

769
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 1: that game. The fumble at the goal line against the Bengals,

770
00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 1: maybe that changes that game. Like there's like little time

771
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 1: any things. It's a game of inches that like decide

772
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 1: how a game swings.

773
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 2: And momentum I think is a real thing also in

774
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 2: the league, and so it can be kind of crazy.

775
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, the Ravens did their worst game was

776
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 1: the five turnover game on Thanks Saving Night against the Bengals.

777
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 1: They were very hungry to avenge that loss and felt

778
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 1: like they should have played a whole lot better. And yeah,

779
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 1: this was their best game against the Bengals. Now we

780
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 1: got to do it again against the Steelers. That was

781
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 1: not a great game from start to finish. And now

782
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 1: the Ravens need to go play the best game in

783
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 1: week eighteen.

784
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well before they get to Week eighteen, they got

785
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 3: to play the best game Week sixteen Patriots.

786
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 4: Like that's the question for me.

787
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 3: The final thought here is like can the Ravens keep

788
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 3: Can the Ravens keep it going?

789
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 4: Based on what they did against the Bengals? That is

790
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 4: the question.

791
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 3: Is that version of this team gonna be what we

792
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 3: see on Sunday Night Football against the Patriots.

793
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Speaker 1: I do think that it feels like they've turned a corner,

794
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 1: and I don't want to say that it's just this

795
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 1: past game against the Bengals. A I think the defense

796
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 1: has been playing better really for months now, and now

797
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 1: had they they hadn't played that well against a top

798
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,279
Speaker 1: tier quarterback, you know, as they did they shut down

799
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow.

800
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Speaker 2: That's really hard to do.

801
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 1: Drake may Is has been in the MVP conversation for

802
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 1: much of the year. So can they do it again

803
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 1: against a very good quarterback? That's but I think that

804
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 1: the defense has like been good for a while, right,

805
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 1: it's whether they can achieve that greatness the offense, as

806
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:31,839
Speaker 1: crazy as it sounds like, even when they had the

807
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:35,840
Speaker 1: five turnovers against the Bengals and and at times against

808
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:40,799
Speaker 1: the Steelers, like you've seen these these flashes of like, Okay,

809
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 1: it looks like it's come together, and okay, it looks

810
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:46,360
Speaker 1: like Lamar's healthier now, like he's starting to move better,

811
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:48,400
Speaker 1: he's starting to run a little bit more and be

812
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:51,400
Speaker 1: a little more decisive and and like, oh, man, like

813
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,400
Speaker 1: the way he he ripped that pass from the pocket

814
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 1: and stood in there, Like, man, that I've seen that

815
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:01,439
Speaker 1: Lamar a bunch before, you know, so, like I think

816
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 1: for people like us and our very loyal listeners who

817
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 1: watch this team so much, like you've been kind of

818
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 1: seeing it, and it felt like this win over the

819
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:13,799
Speaker 1: Bengals was to turn the corner moment. Now, that doesn't

820
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 1: guarantee you anything, as you just got done saying like

821
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:19,359
Speaker 1: the variance is crazy, but I do think that there's

822
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 1: real momentum behind the offense and defense for this team

823
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 1: right now.

824
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 3: This might be a terrible analogy, but like whenever I

825
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 3: do a home improvement project and you're working on something,

826
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 3: I can get like a lot of times, like ninety

827
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 3: percent of the way there, but it's also it's always

828
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:36,320
Speaker 3: multiple trips to the hardware.

829
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:38,880
Speaker 2: Str you're just like my wife, you get ninety percent

830
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 2: of the way there.

831
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 3: You know, it's like it's a like I'll have to

832
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 3: go back to the hardware start a couple of times.

833
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:48,319
Speaker 4: I get most of the way there, then I.

834
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 3: Got to watch ten more videos on YouTube and I

835
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 3: got to figure it out. And it's like the Ravens

836
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:54,839
Speaker 3: have done a lot of things where it's like, oh,

837
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 3: they're right there, but you just have to finish the play.

838
00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 3: And like they took a couple more trips in the

839
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 3: hardware and it seems like they've they've turned.

840
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:02,360
Speaker 4: A corner on that front.

841
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 3: And it just that's the way it's and I know

842
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 3: that it's like some fans are tired of hearing like

843
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 3: I don't know, some some fans are tired of hearing like, oh,

844
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 3: we're really close. And it's easy to say that, but

845
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 3: I do genuinely believe there's truth to that. With this

846
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:20,799
Speaker 3: Ravens team and what we've seen from the offense over

847
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,720
Speaker 3: the last month. And it's not like the game against

848
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 3: the Bengals was some like juggernaut offensive performance, but it

849
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 3: was efficient and it like it passed the eye test

850
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:32,959
Speaker 3: to me, and I think that we're going to see

851
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 3: that the rest of the way. That's like my inclination

852
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:39,240
Speaker 3: is that Lamar's healthier. This offense is is finding something

853
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 3: and if they avoid the miscues of basically turnovers in

854
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 3: the red zone, which has undone them this year and

855
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,320
Speaker 3: their losses, if they if they avoid those.

856
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:51,479
Speaker 4: Then I think they're going to be just fine.

857
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:53,360
Speaker 1: Well, I think if they can continue to run the

858
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 1: ball the way that they did against the Bengals, and

859
00:36:56,400 --> 00:37:00,080
Speaker 1: that's a big tall task, you know. I mean, the

860
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 1: Bengals run defense has not been very good this year.

861
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 1: But if the Ravens can continue to do that and

862
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 1: like stay balanced, more balanced than out of third and

863
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:14,359
Speaker 1: tens and all that stuff, Like, I thought that that

864
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:16,840
Speaker 1: really helped the offense against the Bengals.

865
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I'm with you, and I think that the

866
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:21,839
Speaker 3: run game, if you can keep it, if you can

867
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 3: continue operating like Derek Henry had eleven carries average over

868
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 3: nine yards of carry, had one hundred yards. I don't

869
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:28,439
Speaker 3: think that's going to be the case every single week.

870
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 1: But he didn't have a lot offensive plays forty one.

871
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 3: But yeah, but if but there's a long history that

872
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 3: shows that Derek Henry's at his best late in the season,

873
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:41,880
Speaker 3: and I think we saw that on Sunday, and I

874
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:43,919
Speaker 3: expect that to be the case the rest of the way.

875
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:47,879
Speaker 3: And he he runs all those hills unless all those

876
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:50,319
Speaker 3: weights during the offseason so that when the Raves are

877
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 3: in this situation late in the year, the team can

878
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 3: count on him. And I think that they are going

879
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 3: they know that he's ready for that assignment, and I

880
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 3: think that he's going to deliver. And I think this

881
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 3: offense as a whole is is ready to put it

882
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:03,799
Speaker 3: all together and have some really good games here down

883
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 3: the stretch.

884
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 2: YEP, I totally agree with that.

885
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 1: It's gonna be gonna be a fun stretch and Sunday

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Speaker 1: Night football against Patriots is gonna be real fun. So

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Speaker 1: we're still getting ready for that game. We'll be back

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Speaker 1: with you later this week to prep you for that big,

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Speaker 1: big matchup.

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Speaker 2: Th big Sunday night football matchup. Thanks for listening.