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Speaker 1: this Monday, j P Shadrick, Pete Prisco, Tony Boselli coming up.
Speaker 1: Here's what's on the program today and a full review
Speaker 1: of the Jaguars Texans game yesterday at NRG Stadium thirty
Speaker 1: fourteen the final. The Texans get their first win of
Speaker 1: the year. The offense struggled yesterday, Yes they did. They
Speaker 1: were two or four in red zone and then that
Speaker 1: doesn't count another one where they reached the twenty one
Speaker 1: yard line and didn't come away with points. The defense
Speaker 1: played pretty well through three quarters and seemed to run
Speaker 1: out of gas and the fourth. We'll get to social
Speaker 1: questions in the second hour. We'll go around the National
Speaker 1: Football League UH Pete Tony for the Elias Sports Bureau.
Speaker 1: The Jaguars are the first team in NFL history to
Speaker 1: lose three consecutive games to winless teams, excluding the season opener.
Speaker 1: Happy Monday. How are we doing? Yeah, JP, I'm not
Speaker 1: sure that's really how I want to start the show. Um, well, reality, Well,
Speaker 1: I think it was when you fix your earpots. I
Speaker 1: mean they really bothered them. They stick out, like it's
Speaker 1: like the most annoying thing I'm gonna do. You want
Speaker 1: Menna do like you and dug my head like, yeah,
Speaker 1: at least he's done on this phone, Like somebody on
Speaker 1: this show so annoying. You're so annoying an individual. Sometimes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: not a great stat I think, you know the last
Speaker 1: you know, we've had backback years with bad stats. I
Speaker 1: think last year was like five games in a row
Speaker 1: like the worst you know, margin to the feed or
Speaker 1: something crazy like that. This year it's three trade teams
Speaker 1: getting their first win, not including the opening weekend, and
Speaker 1: so those are stats that you don't want, I mean
Speaker 1: as a franchise. And it's back to back years. And
Speaker 1: it was a bad game, you know. And it's not
Speaker 1: like the Houston Texas or a good football team. I mean,
Speaker 1: Pete and I said it all week and it was
Speaker 1: confirmed me watching tape and it was confirmed watching them
Speaker 1: on the field. That's that It's not like that's a
Speaker 1: great football team. You lost to by sixteen and and
Speaker 1: we'll talk about all of it today, but you know
Speaker 1: kind of the you know, the feeling that in the
Speaker 1: conversation I should say more around fans and talk radio
Speaker 1: and all of us is like, well, if they haven't
Speaker 1: done this, and they well, if they've done that, if
Speaker 1: they could have got this break, and I said it
Speaker 1: this morning, at some point that you gotta stop that talk,
Speaker 1: because that's really how losing teams talk. You know, winning teams.
Speaker 1: You know, teams that win week in a week out
Speaker 1: are fighting for the playoffs every year. It's not that
Speaker 1: the mantra isn't well, if we really just got done
Speaker 1: this or made this field goal, it didn't make this mistake,
Speaker 1: we would have won the game. At some point, you
Speaker 1: just gotta win the game. Pete, I mean, you gotta
Speaker 1: stop talking about all the things you need to do
Speaker 1: and just do it. Here's my advice to all Jaguar
Speaker 1: fans out there. Learn this. Cheer us Jets. I mean, seriously,
Speaker 1: you got to become a Jets fan. You know, if
Speaker 1: they win one or two, become a Jets fan. It's
Speaker 1: the easiest way and slops all your problems. Jets win
Speaker 1: a game or two and you don't win the get
Speaker 1: you get your Rember Lawrence? Simple, are we really gonna
Speaker 1: start the show therapy? I mean six next week? It's
Speaker 1: nineven week six, Yet we're just finished week five. We're
Speaker 1: in the beginning stage. I want to see all the
Speaker 1: tweets coming in today at the sli j E jets jets.
Speaker 1: Did you watch Lawrence Saturday night? Is so good? He
Speaker 1: is so good? Gosh, he's good. Um. I don't want
Speaker 1: to Trevor. If I took Trevor Lawrence and put them
Speaker 1: in this offense right now as is, they'd be explosive
Speaker 1: as health that is. I still think they need a
Speaker 1: pass catching tight end you can block or whatever to
Speaker 1: go with it. But the rest of those guys are
Speaker 1: good players. Offensive line is playing pretty good. Uh, the
Speaker 1: running back is really good. And sure they have to
Speaker 1: get involved with shoot outs because what's on the other
Speaker 1: side of the ball. But solves all your problems, well,
Speaker 1: I don't know if it solves all the problems, because
Speaker 1: you got we'll talk about defense later. Problems. I there's
Speaker 1: some problems on that side of the ball, and I
Speaker 1: don't want to go down to Trevor Lawrence. Thing number
Speaker 1: one there's a bunch of teams with no wins right now?
Speaker 1: I mean how I mean it's and I maybe it's
Speaker 1: like this every year, but you have a bunch of
Speaker 1: bad teams. I mean, the Jets are bad, the Giants,
Speaker 1: the Giants are bad, but they're bad. The Falcons are terrible. Um,
Speaker 1: what other? Is there one more winless team? That's Giants?
Speaker 1: Falcons are the three winless teams? Yeah, yeah, and so
Speaker 1: and then you got a bunch of teams with one
Speaker 1: wins Cincinnati, Houston, Jacksonville, Denver, the Chargers, Washington, Detroit, Minnesota,
Speaker 1: and those are the one win team. But that's between
Speaker 1: the difference between those teams that have won a game yet,
Speaker 1: as they all drafted a quarterback high in the first
Speaker 1: round and Matt Ryan's get up in the years, but
Speaker 1: he was a high first round pick. So was Jones.
Speaker 1: So is Donald. So that Donald and Jones? Have they done?
Speaker 1: You give up on them? Are they finished? Would you
Speaker 1: give up on those guys for that guy? Yeah? I
Speaker 1: think with two I'm and I'm a Donald. I mean
Speaker 1: that's he's a nice guy. I mean I still think
Speaker 1: Donald's bed. I think Jones could be good. I don't
Speaker 1: think it's almost unfair to evaluate those guys with what
Speaker 1: they have around them. The teams are so bad. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's go back to the Jaguars. Yeah, let's get back
Speaker 1: to the Okay, we'll let back to the Jaguards. Look,
Speaker 1: I thought the defense competed a little bit. I thought offensively,
Speaker 1: I didn't like some of the play calls. I'll be
Speaker 1: honest with you. Um. I thought the offensive line did
Speaker 1: some good things. He had time to sitting there. Um,
Speaker 1: And the receivers are gonna be good players. I there
Speaker 1: were a little problem and the kicker, come on, get Maddie,
Speaker 1: you kidding me? Four yards? Four yard? And then he
Speaker 1: couldn't quite get to the gold. Yeah, it was. It
Speaker 1: was a bad day for mr. But guys, this has
Speaker 1: been this has been a really good red zone team
Speaker 1: this year. And they finally get to the red zone.
Speaker 1: They've been able to cash in a good amount. And
Speaker 1: two of the or two or four in the red
Speaker 1: zone yesterday and then the other one the line. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because that's the friende red zone. Yep. So they missed
Speaker 1: on three opportunities in the red zone or right around
Speaker 1: the red zone yesterday, which is not hated, its absolutely hated.
Speaker 1: It well. I think they had a missus signment on
Speaker 1: the chanal call because they do the swing past him
Speaker 1: and you have Keelan Cole blocking down like on the
Speaker 1: defensive end. Him and Cam are doubling the defensive end.
Speaker 1: So either Cam was supposed to pull out and lead
Speaker 1: the way or Celan Cole went the wrong way. I
Speaker 1: mean there was a blown assignment there. It was not
Speaker 1: even we were talking about on this swing pass to
Speaker 1: the left. I'll talking about the one where he took
Speaker 1: the hand off and that it probably should have been chanals.
Speaker 1: You can argue that that wasn't. Yeah, but I know
Speaker 1: the swing pass you're talking about, because there was about
Speaker 1: eight waiting they had like a missus signmon. Something was
Speaker 1: messed up there. It was not designed right. And if
Speaker 1: it was, if that's how it was designed, it's the
Speaker 1: worst design plays ever seen because you have guys, you know,
Speaker 1: going the wrong way. Um. They weren't good in the
Speaker 1: red I don't think they were good offensively. I didn't
Speaker 1: like the overall game plants. Thought they got away from
Speaker 1: the past game too too soon. I mean, here's my
Speaker 1: frustration in the last two you mean away from the
Speaker 1: run game. Yeah, I'm sorry, run game. Here's my frustration.
Speaker 1: Last two weeks you played in the thirty first ranked
Speaker 1: rush defensive the league and the thirty second Russian defense
Speaker 1: in the league, and you had early success and then
Speaker 1: just I mean, that's a game. In my opinion, I
Speaker 1: said it in the pre game. I'd give I handed
Speaker 1: off forty times. Number one, you have a defense that's
Speaker 1: you know, beat up and struggling when they're healthy. Shorten
Speaker 1: the game, run the ball. You have a good offensive
Speaker 1: lineman they stink or stopping the run. You have a
Speaker 1: good young back. I think you quarterback struggle a little
Speaker 1: bit right now, I don't you know. And if you
Speaker 1: look at the flat the straight numbers, you say, well, mint,
Speaker 1: who is putting up good numbers put over three yards again?
Speaker 1: The reality to me is he doesn't look comfortable in
Speaker 1: the pocket. Um. And unless the guy is like really
Speaker 1: wide open, it's not like he drives it into tight
Speaker 1: spaces and is throwing guys open. In this league, guys
Speaker 1: aren't gonna be wide open all the time. You gotta
Speaker 1: put it in small spots and and really Um helped
Speaker 1: them get open and put them where they can, you know,
Speaker 1: contest for and everything else. I just I don't think
Speaker 1: he's playing great football right now, and I don't even
Speaker 1: I think the offense is, you know, because of its sputters.
Speaker 1: And I don't understand why Dave Gruten is getting away
Speaker 1: from the run game so far. And I'm a big,
Speaker 1: big family Jake Gruten. I think he's a good offensive coordinator,
Speaker 1: and it's almost like he senses that he has on
Speaker 1: the other side of the defense is struggling, and so
Speaker 1: that anytime he gets behind it feels like we get
Speaker 1: to the past too soon. But yesterday was not the
Speaker 1: time to do it. Robins were Robinson's first two carries
Speaker 1: of the game, because I think they won one one
Speaker 1: for nine or something, first down eleven and then here's
Speaker 1: the thing. First play the game, he won eleven yards.
Speaker 1: Next three plays pass pass, pass off the field. Yeah
Speaker 1: he went, and he went for four yards and four
Speaker 1: yards on the next drive on first and second down,
Speaker 1: So yeah, he should be. He should have been carrying
Speaker 1: the ball more early in the game. Then he went
Speaker 1: for fourteen yards, so he went the next the next drive,
Speaker 1: he carried it three straight times and even on one
Speaker 1: in the second quarter where he looked like he had
Speaker 1: nothing and he kind of popped and ducked down low
Speaker 1: and got about six or seven yards on the sideline.
Speaker 1: Remember that run. What he had in the half. He
Speaker 1: had to have almost all those yards at the half.
Speaker 1: Three in the first half, five and a second and
Speaker 1: the second. Yeah, there is there's the graphic. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: that's just terrible. I can't get away from it. In
Speaker 1: a close game like that. Yeah. Yeah. And of course,
Speaker 1: remember Doug Moron after the game and again today, said, hey,
Speaker 1: you know, with all these defensive injuries that we had,
Speaker 1: there was a feeling they had to push the ball
Speaker 1: down the field and try to score some points, a
Speaker 1: little more points on offense than they had before. Considering
Speaker 1: I don't buy it, he said, way this time I
Speaker 1: would tell Doug, if you sitting here, I disagree, because
Speaker 1: if you're going to play the worst defensive the worst,
Speaker 1: not the second worst, not the third worst. And and
Speaker 1: their middle linebacker was out yesterday too, yes, and one
Speaker 1: of the better players is gone. I mean, this is
Speaker 1: a ad rushed defense. The Vikings gashed them with a
Speaker 1: little offensive line, and you had this big offensive line
Speaker 1: physical like you gotta run the ball because you shorten
Speaker 1: the game, keep your defense on the sidelines. Keep Deshaun Watson,
Speaker 1: who by the way, is not playing very good football
Speaker 1: either in my opinion, keep him on the sideline and
Speaker 1: shorten the game and run the ball. Because here's the
Speaker 1: other thing that like, I would ask Doug and everyone else,
Speaker 1: you know how many points? What was the high point
Speaker 1: total of the of the Texas going into that game.
Speaker 1: It wasn't It wasn't many. It wasn't thirty. I'll say
Speaker 1: that it was. It was high point total three. This
Speaker 1: is not a good offense. And you watch a game
Speaker 1: last night, right, Yes, Vikings did when they went there
Speaker 1: because their defense thinks they controlled the ball. They ran
Speaker 1: the ball. They gashed them. They did it the week
Speaker 1: before against the Texans. You gotta you've got an ability
Speaker 1: to get roll the clock. Will you have a bad defense,
Speaker 1: you have to do it, you know. Now, that's a
Speaker 1: big plan. If you go there and you get followed
Speaker 1: up after a quarter and a half, then you got
Speaker 1: to amend it. But there were opportunities to run the
Speaker 1: ball yesterday. Do you know me, I'm a past first guy.
Speaker 1: I would have run that kid way more yesterday. He
Speaker 1: carries that you have in the first half, JP, Yes,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry eight of eight of his thirteen eight carries
Speaker 1: in the first half. That's not enough. But but even
Speaker 1: so to five and a second half, they weren't the
Speaker 1: game to get away from the I mean they were,
Speaker 1: it was it was ten seven and a half time. Now,
Speaker 1: remember two guys that the Texans had like a seven
Speaker 1: team play drive in the first half at one point,
Speaker 1: like seven and a half minutes. Also, so I don't
Speaker 1: care the same JP the time the time possession. The
Speaker 1: Jaguars had the advantage of the time of possession a
Speaker 1: half time. They've had more time on the field than
Speaker 1: the Texas, and so you have to run the ball.
Speaker 1: This is a bad defense you're playing, and you have
Speaker 1: a defense that's beat up and it's not playing well.
Speaker 1: And by the way, you're playing an offense in the
Speaker 1: texts that haven't scored points. It's like the perfect rescue.
Speaker 1: I was literally expecting this would be a handoff test,
Speaker 1: like like how many how many? I said, I said
Speaker 1: before the game. Minimum this is a rookie who has
Speaker 1: not had a heavy load of carries coming into the game,
Speaker 1: Like I would have been fine giving him thirty five,
Speaker 1: Like you just load them up and like we're riding
Speaker 1: you and then if if you get tired, were put
Speaker 1: in the backup whoever. I don't even know who the
Speaker 1: backup is because they don't play. Chris Thompson's your third
Speaker 1: down back. Who's the backup running back? I don't even
Speaker 1: know who it is. I covered the team. I couldn't
Speaker 1: even tell you who would be like the next I
Speaker 1: don't know. But this is where you find out. This
Speaker 1: is the game they gave up one. They gave up
Speaker 1: coming in this game a hundred any one point eight
Speaker 1: yards a game that was it was. It was a
Speaker 1: bad right, no doubt. In the first two drives, Robinson
Speaker 1: had five carries, right, and then on that drive after
Speaker 1: they kicked the field goal went up three. Nothing Houston
Speaker 1: did after that seven team play drive. It was early
Speaker 1: second quarter. He got a carry on first and tent
Speaker 1: after a completion of Chanale, he got to carry for
Speaker 1: no game. Then they passed the rest of that drive
Speaker 1: and twelve play touchdown drive to take the lead seven
Speaker 1: to three at that point. So a lot of the
Speaker 1: carries came early first quarter and then they kind of
Speaker 1: got away from it. I mean, and I'm sure Jay
Speaker 1: Gruden will I mean his argument to me, he was like, well,
Speaker 1: we the ball lemon straight times and score a touchdown,
Speaker 1: so we needed So I just don't think you can
Speaker 1: do that consistently. I mean, I don't think that the
Speaker 1: team's I mean, what did that? Wait did did the
Speaker 1: Texans come out in the second half and get a
Speaker 1: field goal? Right? Yes? Okay? So what was the drive?
Speaker 1: The drive after that drive? After that? Robinson right in
Speaker 1: minus four yards, Minshew's sacked for minus five Minshew's short
Speaker 1: right to Chris Thompson for fifteen yards and it's fourth
Speaker 1: and four and they punted, okay, and I actually get like,
Speaker 1: you lose. I mean, oh, Shaughnessy missed the block right
Speaker 1: there there run encounter, you know, uh, and he comes
Speaker 1: to you Norwell pins J J. Watt, he's got as soon.
Speaker 1: He's got to be right off the rear end of
Speaker 1: Norrawell because he picks up Zack Randolph and there's no
Speaker 1: one there and here we go. We're I mean, and
Speaker 1: he just that's okay, guys, miss blocks, I miss blocks everyone,
Speaker 1: And so I actually okay with um Jay throwing it
Speaker 1: on second and fourteen, I mean, now you're like, and
Speaker 1: he gets sacked, so that's fine. It was a bad drive.
Speaker 1: But even after that, you're still in the game. It
Speaker 1: was at that point it ends up being they didn't.
Speaker 1: It was did you go to twenty to seven at
Speaker 1: that point? JP? It was, yeah, thirteen seven at that point.
Speaker 1: Then yeah, I got to twenty to seven after that, yes,
Speaker 1: and yeah, then you're almost out of it, though, no
Speaker 1: you're not. Pete. The start of the fourth quarter, when
Speaker 1: did they scored him May seven? It was early fourth quarter,
Speaker 1: fourteen twenty four left, fourteen twenty four. You have plenty
Speaker 1: of time if you run the ball down the field
Speaker 1: and go score, take four or five minutes, and they
Speaker 1: did minutes left, and it's it's it's ten minutes, and
Speaker 1: they did. To your point, they got it within twenty fourteen,
Speaker 1: a ten play drive and it was ten eighteen to play. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: they didn't exactly what you just said. My point is, Pete,
Speaker 1: you gotta run. How many droll rushers in the game
Speaker 1: that they have. I don't think they're you're playing the
Speaker 1: worst rush defense in the league. You gotta run the ball.
Speaker 1: All right, let's come back. We've got plenty ahead obviously
Speaker 1: with this on the offensive side. We've got a touch
Speaker 1: on the defense as well. Yes, Tony, Yes, listen. I
Speaker 1: think and I've been a big advocate Jay Gruden like.
Speaker 1: I think he's a good coordinator. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: he has approved tracker. We did Cincinnati, I was happy.
Speaker 1: I like him. I just did last two weeks when
Speaker 1: playing bad rusty defenses. You know, I get late in
Speaker 1: the fourth quarter in Cincinnati, you had the like abandoned
Speaker 1: it and you had to throw it. I get that
Speaker 1: up until then, I just I don't think we're running
Speaker 1: the ball en up and giving a touch of James Romans.
Speaker 1: All right, we're gonna set rips him rips if we're
Speaker 1: gonna circle back around to that and just a little bit,
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Speaker 1: Welcome Back Jaguars Happy Hour on this Monday, the aftermath
Speaker 1: of a thirty to fourteen loss for the Jaguars to
Speaker 1: the Houston Texans. J F Shadrick, Tony b Silly Pete
Speaker 1: Prisco the Jaguars. We'll get to the defense coming up.
Speaker 1: We'll circle back around to the offense. So uh well,
Speaker 1: we'll hear from Dug maron coming up on what happened
Speaker 1: on fourth and one as well a little bit later
Speaker 1: in the show. Um, But the Jaguars made a roster
Speaker 1: move just moments ago. Gentlemen involving the kicking position. Stephen
Speaker 1: Houska has been released. Harld Davis defensive lineman released as well.
Speaker 1: The Jackson promoted kicker John Brown from the practice squad
Speaker 1: and Karen Reid defensive lineman. Both of those guys are
Speaker 1: on the active roster. John Brown was with the Bengals
Speaker 1: and the forty Niners. He was undrafted as a kicker
Speaker 1: in He was a soccer player at Kentucky and then
Speaker 1: he transferred to Louisville and switched to football during his
Speaker 1: junior year. So he will now be the fifth kicker
Speaker 1: if he has kicking stats of this game Sunday, the
Speaker 1: fifth kicker in six weeks for the Jaguars, which will
Speaker 1: be a new franchise record for kickers used in a
Speaker 1: season for the Jacksonville Jaguars. The Jacks had four kickers
Speaker 1: back in two thousand two, the year after Mike Hollis
Speaker 1: p you know it might it might five and five
Speaker 1: what is it, five and six weeks might be in
Speaker 1: the NFL. I mean I was, I'm trying to figure
Speaker 1: out what the season record would be and I can't.
Speaker 1: You know, it's a deep dig, so it's got to
Speaker 1: be close, right, I mean as soon as six week
Speaker 1: two thousand and two they had four. It was a
Speaker 1: year after Hollis, so Hollis had left in free agency,
Speaker 1: and then they I don't know if there was injuries
Speaker 1: or what. I wasn't around then, but two thousand two
Speaker 1: they had four field goal kickers that season that had stats.
Speaker 1: Can you name of the selling Tony you're muted for today?
Speaker 1: I mean today we got two hours. Tony said this
Speaker 1: was the best three minutes of the show. Yet actually yeah,
Speaker 1: let's let's put that thing on mute all the time.
Speaker 1: So it's been a while since the Jags have had
Speaker 1: this many kickers. Actually, this will be a new new high.
Speaker 1: So anyway, you now your now your sound is even
Speaker 1: that high? What do you mean my sound isn't that high? Here?
Speaker 1: You perfectly you can't hear me? Is he a little fat? No?
Speaker 1: We got him clear. It's probably because you have one
Speaker 1: of earbudd in the by the way, but no, you
Speaker 1: don't have one the computer. What is going on? Hey, Pete?
Speaker 1: Why is like dealing with camera your like nose, mouth
Speaker 1: and shirt because it's on my laptop. You're close to
Speaker 1: the video, You're like, really, we can't even see above
Speaker 1: your eyes peint, Like, move your candy back, put your earbuds.
Speaker 1: What do you want to see this? What is that?
Speaker 1: I don't want to see? They're not even playing football
Speaker 1: right now? Why do we want to see? That? Will be?
Speaker 1: They will be playing football? And you know what, this
Speaker 1: is the year they're going to the National Championship. They're
Speaker 1: going to the Natty. They're gonna run through the pack
Speaker 1: twelve and get in. They're not going to beat usc.
Speaker 1: USC's a joke. I feel bad for you, all right?
Speaker 1: Can we the pack twelve is awful? Can we get
Speaker 1: back to the Jaguars please? Okay, he's just for the record,
Speaker 1: thank you. All right, we'll get the kickers coming up one.
Speaker 1: That was the breaking news a moment ago. The Jaguars
Speaker 1: anounced that. All right, let's also get back to the
Speaker 1: offense a little bit later, because that's a long conversation.
Speaker 1: Joe said, you were going to be the kicker, j P.
Speaker 1: Could your reach from forty could you wait? Would you
Speaker 1: have made a field goal from twenty four yard? Yes?
Speaker 1: Or no? Oh no, no, no, no, no, no. Kicking
Speaker 1: has never been my deal man, No way. Yeah, make it?
Speaker 1: If I had one of those uh Dempsey flat footed,
Speaker 1: a club foot, you gotta go kick at soccer style?
Speaker 1: Could you make it? No? No, I hit the long
Speaker 1: snapper and he wouldn't even make it to the holder.
Speaker 1: He would just he would fall down. One from twenty
Speaker 1: four yards is just embarrassing. I actually thought that. I
Speaker 1: thought that the fact that the forty nine yarder came
Speaker 1: up short was worse. Yeah you're right, Yeah, you're right.
Speaker 1: They were back to back to that made it even
Speaker 1: worse than them just by themselves. All right, let's touch
Speaker 1: on defense here, because going into the game yesterday, a
Speaker 1: bunch of starters out, I mean, Josh Allen didn't make
Speaker 1: the trip. C J Henderson was out with the shoulder,
Speaker 1: Miles Jack was inactive. So it's like, oh, here we go.
Speaker 1: Dakota Allen's getting the start at linebacker. You got Sydney
Speaker 1: Jones out there at corner who has bounced around a
Speaker 1: little bit in the league, and then Caleb and Chason
Speaker 1: is making his first career start at defensive end. And
Speaker 1: then Josh Jones gets run out of the game with
Speaker 1: an injection. But you know what, j don't forget about.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't understand why no one's talking about
Speaker 1: this person. No nickel quarterback either, DJ Starter he goes
Speaker 1: out as well. So that's five if you want to
Speaker 1: get those guys either way. Veteran corner and was not available.
Speaker 1: So they're going into the game it's like, oh, this
Speaker 1: could be real trouble. But for the first three quarters,
Speaker 1: guys they held their own and played well. I had
Speaker 1: a couple of takeaways and I thought I thought they
Speaker 1: played pretty well early. Well. Tony's right though, that Texans
Speaker 1: offense isn't good. It's not that David Johnson looks like
Speaker 1: it takes him a week and a day to get
Speaker 1: to the hole, and when there's a hole, it takes
Speaker 1: him a week in a day to get through it.
Speaker 1: He's slow. Watts is not playing well. Those were bad decisions.
Speaker 1: He made bad decisions. I thought the receivers have speed.
Speaker 1: They're not bad, but they're not. They're little. They have
Speaker 1: little receivers, and they don't have a number one. They
Speaker 1: got a bunch of number twos and threes and and
Speaker 1: so it's not a good offense. What do you think
Speaker 1: of the offensive line? They have thought because the Tunsil
Speaker 1: makes a lot of money to play left tackle. He's okay,
Speaker 1: I mean he listen, he's in the upper echelon. But
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if I pay him points
Speaker 1: to million dollars a year for three years. Okay, you
Speaker 1: see that much better than Cam Robinson right now? Yesterday? No, No,
Speaker 1: I've actually think Kim's better in the run. Tunks a
Speaker 1: little bit better in the past. But that's not a
Speaker 1: good offense. And so yeah, there weren't playing and granted
Speaker 1: Jackson has had a bad defense and they were down
Speaker 1: well and we still we still didn't get pressures some
Speaker 1: pressure on him. None. It was better. I mean we
Speaker 1: blitzed better. We got home with the b and they
Speaker 1: flushed him. They flushed him. Part of it, yeah, but
Speaker 1: part of that JP is and Peter, I would love
Speaker 1: your perspective. I don't think Watson is very good in
Speaker 1: the pocket yere. He's all over the place. I don't
Speaker 1: think he is either. I've watched all his games and
Speaker 1: gone back and watched him. I think he's struggling. And
Speaker 1: when you look up at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: what were his numbers. His numbers were, we're bad, They're
Speaker 1: pretty good. With three touchdowns the two interceptions, Watson was
Speaker 1: twenty five thirty five passing for three fifty nine, three touchdowns,
Speaker 1: two picks, one nine. I know the picks were bad,
Speaker 1: but I mean that's on the paper, that's not it wasn't.
Speaker 1: That's it this way like min choose games at times, Tonty.
Speaker 1: It wasn't as good as the stats. Yeah, that's fair.
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean he made some Now, in fairness
Speaker 1: to Watson, he made some really pretty deep throws. Now,
Speaker 1: he missed a wide open David Johnson, but he made
Speaker 1: some pretty deep throws. Yeah, the one on the sideline
Speaker 1: when when he ran from the slot on claybro that
Speaker 1: was a great bro. Hey, how about some of these
Speaker 1: How about some of these guys that stepped in yesterday
Speaker 1: to start on defense. Sidney Jones was great. But Sidney
Speaker 1: Jones I thought, was he got an interception a couple
Speaker 1: of past breakups. I thought he was good. He's gotta
Speaker 1: be on the field. He's gotta be on the field
Speaker 1: no matter what. Pressed with. Another guy was impressed with.
Speaker 1: I thought d J. Hayden. I thought Trey Herndon, um
Speaker 1: like praise. Not the fastest guy, we know that, but
Speaker 1: he's a tough Sammy defender. And I thought he was
Speaker 1: physical in the run. He came up and made some
Speaker 1: tackles against David Johnson and the line of scrimmage from
Speaker 1: the nickel position. Really impressed with him. Um was good
Speaker 1: to see Daniel Thomas out there. He was throwing the action.
Speaker 1: I thought he was okay. Um Koda Ellen made a
Speaker 1: couple of plays. He was much better than he was
Speaker 1: the week before. After a week of preparation and getting
Speaker 1: a lot of reps, Tayson still was not making much
Speaker 1: of an impact. Um. He had a chance one shot
Speaker 1: on the stunt on the stunt on the stunt that
Speaker 1: he just missed him. But he's still learning, and you know,
Speaker 1: which is normal for young working defensive ends, especially since
Speaker 1: he was not it's a newer position for him. I
Speaker 1: contend that and JP, you watched more SEC football than
Speaker 1: any of us, But I don't remember Chase. I'm putting
Speaker 1: his hand on the ground a lot playing defensive end
Speaker 1: on first and second down for else. That's right. I
Speaker 1: mean we say that every week, but that's what he's
Speaker 1: doing now. It's true. Yeah, but it's hard. It's not
Speaker 1: an easy transition for you. I say, yes, even Brian
Speaker 1: made a play in the backfield tackle for loss. David
Speaker 1: made one. You're in the two laughing. You're the ones
Speaker 1: laughing three smiling JP. JP was chuckling, and you laughed.
Speaker 1: You smiled, You had a big sprint on your face.
Speaker 1: It was good, It was good, happy to be here.
Speaker 1: It was good for him. It is good for a
Speaker 1: table to get that play in the backfield. Three tackles,
Speaker 1: one for a loss. Also, Dwan Smooth had a day
Speaker 1: and Duck Bron said it's probably the best days had
Speaker 1: at least a couple of years on this team. Um,
Speaker 1: yesterday had two tackles, had a sack, three quarterback hits,
Speaker 1: which was a good good day at the office for
Speaker 1: Smooth yesterday. He's a good, rotational, try hard guy. That's
Speaker 1: what he is. Okay, But so I agree with that,
Speaker 1: and I thought you did have a good day. But
Speaker 1: guess what, that's where I think David Bryan is too,
Speaker 1: a good rotational, try hard guy, right and I think
Speaker 1: they've got a lot of those guys right now. Correct.
Speaker 1: I would agree that how did Hamilton's play in there,
Speaker 1: because I couldn't really focus in on him. Doesn't do much,
Speaker 1: does he. I mean, he's pretty good and he's a
Speaker 1: big body. He's getting better, but he does a pretty
Speaker 1: good job against Ron. He's not gonna give you much
Speaker 1: pass rush. I mean, he's a nose guard. He's the
Speaker 1: first and second down those guard. He's gonna be a
Speaker 1: pretty I think he's gonna be a pretty good down
Speaker 1: player though in the run. Actually yeah, as a person
Speaker 1: second down those guy. But he's not a dynamic pass rusher.
Speaker 1: I don't think he care no. Al Right, guys, let's
Speaker 1: come back. We'll get back into the offensive talk again. Yes,
Speaker 1: we will sure you want me to come back. We've
Speaker 1: got an hour and a half, so we could probably
Speaker 1: fill all that with the offensive talk with Tony and
Speaker 1: this one we'll also get to the special teams talk again.
Speaker 1: The Jaguars made a kicking change today again. A second
Speaker 1: hour coming up in a little bit. We'll have your
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Speaker 1: push the ball down the field. We wanted to, um,
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Speaker 1: do a better job, you know, converting a lot of
Speaker 1: those things. I mean to go in there and you know,
Speaker 1: we felt like we were going to have to score,
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Speaker 1: that we were trying to put together was, you know,
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Speaker 1: Morone and Houston yesterday after the loss to the Texans
Speaker 1: thirty to fourteen, Welcome Back Jaguars Happy Hour, j P.
Speaker 1: Shaddrick Tony was Sully Pete Frisco your social questions coming
Speaker 1: up in the second hour of the show. So the
Speaker 1: offense there, there was the answer right there that we
Speaker 1: talked about earlier. That was the plan was to push
Speaker 1: it down. Gardner through the ball forty nine times in
Speaker 1: the game way too me. What's is it? What does
Speaker 1: he how many attempts does he have this season? Right
Speaker 1: now he has the fourth most attempts in the league,
Speaker 1: six and he's second in completions a hundred and thirty
Speaker 1: seven this year in the league started too much? And
Speaker 1: what's the stat? JP? I saw that like in the
Speaker 1: last five times or four times, or however many times
Speaker 1: or maybe his entire career that he throws for three
Speaker 1: yards though they lose, but that stack gets thrown around
Speaker 1: all the time in the NFL. Usually if you throw
Speaker 1: for over three hundred, not not anymore. But he used
Speaker 1: it used to be if he took for over three
Speaker 1: and yard you were trailing, but not anymore. That's not
Speaker 1: it's it's a different stat now. My point is, you know,
Speaker 1: that's why I just stats with quarterbacks there. You have
Speaker 1: to change your perspective. It's not like it used to be.
Speaker 1: I mean, you have to look at the whole thing.
Speaker 1: I mean, because if you start playing from behind these
Speaker 1: soft coverages and in all the open spaces, you better
Speaker 1: put some yards up. Yeah, it's it's more about the eyes,
Speaker 1: what I tell you, rather than the than the numbers.
Speaker 1: I mean, look, week one, three yard, it's an efficient week.
Speaker 1: It's a good week. But he didn't drive the ball
Speaker 1: down the field. Two was probably his best game. Yeah
Speaker 1: when they rallied back in the game. Yeah, yeah, that
Speaker 1: was probably his best game. But I mean, I I
Speaker 1: just I think Tony's right when he says he doesn't
Speaker 1: throw guys open. If you're wide open, he'll find him.
Speaker 1: And he's still not comfortable in the pocket. He's too
Speaker 1: jump in there. He gets out too soon. You have
Speaker 1: to have the confidence you have to get. You have
Speaker 1: to have the confidence to see it and then have
Speaker 1: the arm strengthen order the confidence your arm that you
Speaker 1: can just sit there and fired in that tight window.
Speaker 1: And I wonder, you know, especially because he gets It's
Speaker 1: almost like as the clock goes on, he starts moving
Speaker 1: around and his feet are unsettled. And we saw it
Speaker 1: early in the game. He actually missed a pretty open
Speaker 1: um Lebiscuits chernaut because he's like out of nowhere. He's
Speaker 1: climbing up, like running up the pocket and then trying
Speaker 1: to throw it on the move and the ball it
Speaker 1: sales on him. So um, And I know, people listen,
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to nitpick or pick on Gardner again.
Speaker 1: I want him to be the guy. The bottom line is,
Speaker 1: if you look at this team right now, you're one
Speaker 1: and four and you were struggling the last couple of
Speaker 1: weeks to score points when it matters. Now you're scoring
Speaker 1: points late, you're trying to come back, and you're doing stuff. Um,
Speaker 1: but if you look at and you're barely doing that.
Speaker 1: The Dolphins, you scored thirteen points, against the Bengals, you
Speaker 1: scored what was but all very late. And against the Texans,
Speaker 1: who are terrible defensively, he scored fourteen. And this is
Speaker 1: gonna league whatever. This isn't a league where everyone score points,
Speaker 1: all right, So let's ask the question. We asked the
Speaker 1: question guy, and I said, we have sixteen weeks to
Speaker 1: make that decision, or seventeen weeks with the bye. I like,
Speaker 1: you know, in seventeen weeks, here's another one. All right, Pete,
Speaker 1: can he get better from this? You know we're gonna
Speaker 1: ask that every week? Yeah, well you asked it every week.
Speaker 1: You asked the other one every week. The difference what
Speaker 1: you are what you are usually that's all I'm gonna say.
Speaker 1: I mean, he is what is time out? Though, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna call you on that because two years ago Josh
Speaker 1: Allen was awful. A year ago, at this time, he
Speaker 1: was below average and looked like, oh my gosh, he
Speaker 1: can't see it. He can't stay in the pocket. He
Speaker 1: runs at first opportunity. He's inaccurate, get a big ar,
Speaker 1: but inaccurate, and he slowly got better throughout last year.
Speaker 1: Tell him, tell him, tell him the year. In the playoffs,
Speaker 1: there was still the question they didn't win because Josh
Speaker 1: Allen wasn't ready for them to win a playoff game.
Speaker 1: Then he comes out this year and the dude is
Speaker 1: dealing and the dudes like, MVP. You don't tell me Pete,
Speaker 1: you are what you are because you're a quote unquote
Speaker 1: and what was he when he came out? He was
Speaker 1: a six ft five for a normal is athletic you knew,
Speaker 1: you knew it would just take a little bit of
Speaker 1: footwork and he would be fine. No, that's but Pete,
Speaker 1: that's not fair because no one else, like there's the
Speaker 1: majority of people were not on that side about Josh Allen.
Speaker 1: They thought he was gonna another one. He's gonna play tonight.
Speaker 1: Justin Herbert when he came out of Oregon to a
Speaker 1: lot of people thought he's gonna have issues. Correct, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I like him watching him because I mean, now, if
Speaker 1: you're telling me now a better comment from you that
Speaker 1: would make sense outside of what you just said being dumb.
Speaker 1: But you can't get better? Is this like there's certain
Speaker 1: traits that if you have, then you have more room
Speaker 1: to grow as a quarterback. Like you see what is
Speaker 1: this ceil about? Let me finish, Let me finish. Justin Herbert,
Speaker 1: I'll use him. Six four athletic and has a rocket
Speaker 1: for an arm. Maybe some questions about decision making in college?
Speaker 1: Is he accurate enough? Well, he's come out in the
Speaker 1: pros and yeah, Can you get better in the pocket?
Speaker 1: Can he make better decisions? Absolutely? But he's accurate, he
Speaker 1: has a gun, he's big, and he's fast. And so
Speaker 1: if your point is like there's certain characteristics that you
Speaker 1: either have or you don't, I agree with that. But
Speaker 1: to say a guy kick it better, I tell what
Speaker 1: I'm saying is there's a ceiling. He can get better,
Speaker 1: but he ain't going over the ceiling. Where's a guy
Speaker 1: like Josh Allen could get better and that ceiling is
Speaker 1: way higher and we're seeing it now. Same with Herbert.
Speaker 1: That's not what you said, Pete, you said, don't get better? Okay,
Speaker 1: you know what I meant. Last year has meant you
Speaker 1: better than he was last year? Yes? Is he? I
Speaker 1: don't know how much better is he than he his
Speaker 1: last year? That's a good question. I like that. That's
Speaker 1: not a not a lot better, but he's better. I
Speaker 1: think he's better. That's interesting moments. I think so. But Okay,
Speaker 1: if Justin Herbert goes the same level of better that
Speaker 1: that minds you goes to, who's gonna be a better quarterback? Well?
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, there are certain traits that Justin
Speaker 1: Herbert have that you are what you are, But you
Speaker 1: have to define that, Pete, because if you said that
Speaker 1: same thing with Drew Brees. And I hate doing this
Speaker 1: because Drew Brees is a little bit of an anomaly.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's not a lot of guys like but
Speaker 1: he got better year after year. Every year he got better.
Speaker 1: And it's not like he has a rocket for a
Speaker 1: right arm. It's not like he's six five. Wasn't he
Speaker 1: like a second round pick though? It wasn't like he
Speaker 1: was deep down the draft like I agree with you.
Speaker 1: I mean, j P, that's a good point. That's a
Speaker 1: big time player coming out of the big t Okay,
Speaker 1: al right, get a compared to Drew Brees, does he
Speaker 1: have the does Gardner means you have the same arm
Speaker 1: Drew Brees has. No, I can't disagree, okay to him, No,
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm just saying, but my comparison to Drew Brees, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'll compare him to Russell Wilson, a third rounder. Again,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he has the physical traits. Excuse me
Speaker 1: as far as arm strength is that Russell Wilson. But
Speaker 1: my contention with you is making the comment he can't
Speaker 1: get better? Can he can get Okay, let me take
Speaker 1: that comment back. He can get better, but his better
Speaker 1: getting better isn't going to be high enough to make
Speaker 1: him the long term answer. That's all say. And I'm
Speaker 1: not sure I agree with you. I know you're strong
Speaker 1: in that. I'm leaning towards that way. By the way,
Speaker 1: I know you're strong. If you just said in fairness,
Speaker 1: in fairness, you would have said the exact same thing
Speaker 1: about Russell Wilson five years ago. Uh. Probably not. Oh,
Speaker 1: you're so full of it. You were the most anti
Speaker 1: I was in the world. I just said I thought
Speaker 1: he was I thought he was decent. I didn't think
Speaker 1: he was a superstar early in those years, and you
Speaker 1: never thought he wouldn't be. He's a superstar is remember
Speaker 1: he is, he's mobile, he has a big arm um
Speaker 1: true or false, And he has a big arm you compared.
Speaker 1: And he's accurate, and he like is a student of
Speaker 1: the game. And he's competitive, you said, Pete. And I
Speaker 1: will hope I will find somebody who has articles you
Speaker 1: were so you said, Russell Wilson is just a guy.
Speaker 1: He only wins because of the defense. He only were
Speaker 1: it wins because of the stuff around him. He's not earlier.
Speaker 1: Your quote, No, your quote was he's not a franchise quarterback,
Speaker 1: and it's a basic only what you said. Hold on
Speaker 1: based on you saying and if you use the same
Speaker 1: thing you just said about gardiament Show, then Russell just
Speaker 1: is who he is. He can't get any better, and
Speaker 1: I don't buy that. Well, he first off, he had
Speaker 1: the scoring defense, led the league in scoring four straight years.
Speaker 1: Pretty easy to play quarterback with that guy, know, And
Speaker 1: now he's better. I give you that the best in
Speaker 1: the nflpare him to. He's not the best in the NFL,
Speaker 1: but you're gonna compare him to. You're gonna compare. So
Speaker 1: you just compare gardnerments. You're getting better than Drew Brees
Speaker 1: and Russell Wills. Quarterback issues are solved. You know you're
Speaker 1: missing the point. Pete J. P helped me here. I'm saying,
Speaker 1: it's unfair to say a guy can't get better. Now
Speaker 1: you want to you did say that. If you want
Speaker 1: to say, because of his arm strength and his size,
Speaker 1: there's limitations how good he can be, that's fair. That's fair.
Speaker 1: That is a fair comment. What is the ceiling? I
Speaker 1: don't know what that is? Is it? Ryan Fit it
Speaker 1: is it is? It is it? Uh? It's fat? Is
Speaker 1: it a guy like the Jets quarterback Um darn Darnald? No,
Speaker 1: the weak arm, No, the weak arm Chad Pennington. Chat.
Speaker 1: I don't think he's gonna be as good as chat Pennington.
Speaker 1: All right, let's take a time out and think about it.
Speaker 1: We'll come back. We've got to talk about the kickers
Speaker 1: before we going further. Did I not dominate Pete right
Speaker 1: there in that segment? He was? He dominant? Yeah. I'm
Speaker 1: kind of with Tony on this one, because you know,
Speaker 1: you've been said you said before that Russell Wilson was good,
Speaker 1: not great, Pete. That's your track records. That's not what
Speaker 1: you said that Carson Palmer was better than Wilson in
Speaker 1: the NFC West at one point too. I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: I don't know, we're back in a moment you said
Speaker 1: Carson Palmer was better than Wilson and the NFC West
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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, you work on things in certain situations.
Speaker 1: I think that we felt very comfortable with I don't
Speaker 1: think we did a good job executing, and I don't
Speaker 1: think we sold it well enough. At the corner was
Speaker 1: able to get off on it. So, um, you know,
Speaker 1: you work on something during the week, you feel comfortable
Speaker 1: about it, you know when you're gonna call it in
Speaker 1: that situation, and we just didn't execute it. So to
Speaker 1: ask your question, if if I had to go back
Speaker 1: and know when it wasn't gonna work, would I would?
Speaker 1: I would rather run something else, Obviously I would. That's
Speaker 1: like we're on discussing that fourth in one play with
Speaker 1: the direct snap to James Robinson and he fumbled before
Speaker 1: the past attempt and welcome back to Jaguar's Happy Hour.
Speaker 1: J P. Shadrick, Pete Prisco, Tony Boselli for the record, Pete,
Speaker 1: you gave the Seahawks draft a C plus. That was
Speaker 1: a draft that had Bruce Servants and Russell Wilson draft
Speaker 1: go back on the first one. I met. My reason
Speaker 1: and for giving them that great was they signed Matt
Speaker 1: Flynn to a big contract and then drafted Russell Wilson.
Speaker 1: So you get to give him a bad grade for
Speaker 1: one or the other. Right, Yeah, give him the bad
Speaker 1: grade for Matt one because it was an A plus
Speaker 1: on Russell world was not only the draft was loaded
Speaker 1: to go read that draft. Bruce Evans is a good player.
Speaker 1: Who else Bruce servant, Bobby Wagner, Russell Wilson gave a
Speaker 1: C C plus plus, Robert Turban, J Howard J Howard
Speaker 1: defensive tackle, linebacker Corey Tumor, corner act Jeremy Lane, safety,
Speaker 1: Winston Guy we know him, offensive guard Jr. Sweezy and
Speaker 1: defensive end Greg Scruggs. It was a great is an
Speaker 1: A plus raft? But you know, just like, just like,
Speaker 1: just like he blew it on the last segment, I'll say,
Speaker 1: yeah that you went and regraded this in and gave
Speaker 1: it an A plus. So wait, way to go hindsight, pet,
Speaker 1: I know, but no. See what I do is I
Speaker 1: go back and admit my mistakes. Unlike most people, they
Speaker 1: let theirs just sit there. I admit my mistakes. I'll
Speaker 1: write them out every year. I go back three years
Speaker 1: to the draft and go back and look at my stupidity,
Speaker 1: how I made mistakes, but more than that, how the
Speaker 1: team made mistakes. So can you can you like that's
Speaker 1: a good exercise that shows humility and self awareness to
Speaker 1: make sure you call out when you're an idiot, which
Speaker 1: could be often. Can you do that with the last segment. No,
Speaker 1: because you know what I meant. You took something when
Speaker 1: you perfect You know you agree with me, you just
Speaker 1: don't want to say it. No, I don't. I think
Speaker 1: he I think he can get better. Okay, well, I
Speaker 1: mean get better. How like? How give me? Give me
Speaker 1: the level of getting better that he's growing for yards
Speaker 1: the game and and staying in the pocket longer. What's better?
Speaker 1: I think? I think I think he can recognize defense
Speaker 1: is better. I think he can anticipate his defense is
Speaker 1: very well. Then, no, I think you can get better.
Speaker 1: I think you can anticipate better. I think he can
Speaker 1: be better in the pocket, keeping his eyes down field.
Speaker 1: I think all those things. Okay, I think he can
Speaker 1: get I think he has gotten a little better anticipating,
Speaker 1: even though he's not great at it. I think he's
Speaker 1: gotten better at things in the pocket, even though he's
Speaker 1: not great at it. But I don't think all that
Speaker 1: will ever take him to a point where he's the
Speaker 1: guy and that Okay, that's a fair point. Now I
Speaker 1: can't argue that, and I'm not even sure I disagree
Speaker 1: with you at this point. I want to. I want to.
Speaker 1: I want to see more so that if you would
Speaker 1: have gone with that last segment, Pete, I would say,
Speaker 1: you know what, that's fair because there's gonna be limitations
Speaker 1: on He's never gonna grow. Um, he's not gonna I mean,
Speaker 1: how much could his arms strength increase? Which is the
Speaker 1: difference when you use Josh Allen as the analogy. You
Speaker 1: can't use Josh Allen, I'm not. My analogy was the
Speaker 1: fact that he got better, but he had the ability
Speaker 1: to and the tools to get not much better, whereas
Speaker 1: we don't know that. We don't see that with men show.
Speaker 1: And the question is is what it is? The ceiling
Speaker 1: are the things that are limited limited gardenments? You will
Speaker 1: they make the ceiling too low for him to be
Speaker 1: a Francise quarterback. And everyone likes to go back to
Speaker 1: the Patriots picking Tom Brady in the in the fifth
Speaker 1: in the sixth round and now is one of the
Speaker 1: all time greatest quarterbacks. Ever, it's an anomaly. Number one,
Speaker 1: it doesn't happen very often. Number two, tom Brady had
Speaker 1: a strong arm. Brady is six four or six five. However,
Speaker 1: taally is tom Brady was not a great athlete, right so,
Speaker 1: and he couldn't run very well. He's never run very well,
Speaker 1: but what Tom Brady proved he was was great, super
Speaker 1: smart rate to recognize the defense is and is one
Speaker 1: of the best pocket pass there's a buying time in
Speaker 1: the pocket in the history of the game. His his
Speaker 1: limiting factors of athletic ability, especially in the air that
Speaker 1: he became great, which is we're not big enough to
Speaker 1: stop him. He still had a high ceiling and he
Speaker 1: proved that out and that people missed it in the draft. Well,
Speaker 1: it's one of the great missus that all you gotta
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Speaker 1: have concerns all over the place, but you know, I
Speaker 1: believe in the guys that we have. I believe that
Speaker 1: we're all, you know, on the same page. You know,
Speaker 1: everybody's fighting their tail off. Like efforts not an issue
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Speaker 1: Welcome back second hour of Jaguars Happy Hour on this Monday,
Speaker 1: after a thirty to fourteen loss to the Texans. Fifth
Speaker 1: in a row that the Jags have lost to Houston,
Speaker 1: fourth of a row the Jags have lost this season.
Speaker 1: J P, Shadrick, Pete Prisco, Tony BROSSELLI glad you're along
Speaker 1: with us. Big stories. Well yes, before we get before
Speaker 1: we getting a big story. Sorry, I wanna cut you off,
Speaker 1: um min. She said something. I want to give Dougs
Speaker 1: some credit because I mean, you know, question calls and
Speaker 1: you know we didn't like the call to go on
Speaker 1: and we're questioning. You know, Jay Gruden is getting away
Speaker 1: from the run game and everything else. But this is
Speaker 1: the one thing that Doug and his coaching staff has
Speaker 1: done a great job with. The one thing you can't
Speaker 1: question is how hard these guys play. I mean, it
Speaker 1: is a group that plays hard from the first snap
Speaker 1: the last step. And you know what that is a
Speaker 1: reflection of Doug Rown and his coaching staff. They have
Speaker 1: a lot of young players. It is not easy to
Speaker 1: coach this many rookies and second year players, and especially
Speaker 1: with the offseason these guys had and trying to install
Speaker 1: and get things in there, and the fact that they
Speaker 1: have come out and that they and I know one,
Speaker 1: no one wants to hear this as fans, and I
Speaker 1: get it. It's about winning. You're losing and being one
Speaker 1: of four stinks. It's awful, and losing the way we've
Speaker 1: lost a few last few weeks is no fun and
Speaker 1: it stinks. But these guys, you can't question the effort
Speaker 1: in the preparation and the hard work these guys are
Speaker 1: putting in. They're young, they're inexperience, and they're inconsistent, and
Speaker 1: that's why you've seen a lot of these issues. And
Speaker 1: they don't seem like they get and there they don't.
Speaker 1: Nobody likes losing. But back in the day when when
Speaker 1: I covered you guys, and you guys lost your babies
Speaker 1: about it. Half the team. I mean, seriously, it's in
Speaker 1: one game and you go in the locker room and
Speaker 1: they'd start screaming at you and yelling at you. And getting.
Speaker 1: I mean, you would agree that it's different, Tony, Well,
Speaker 1: this is now we don't know either because we're not
Speaker 1: in the locker room. Pete. That's true, but I mean,
Speaker 1: but it doesn't seem like this is the teammate. And
Speaker 1: granted it's a lot of young players. I get it,
Speaker 1: but even that team, when Tony was on the team,
Speaker 1: they had young players. When they'd lose, it was like
Speaker 1: you'd go in the locker room and it would be
Speaker 1: like it was nasty almost at times. And I don't
Speaker 1: know why that was. Maybe it was me, but I was.
Speaker 1: All signs point to that, yes, probably, but Tony knows
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about. It was different. It was like
Speaker 1: an it was an anger after lost this and when
Speaker 1: what team you talking about? Nineties? Even the team to take,
Speaker 1: I'll take the team which was bad that team too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we were not I mean I was not pleasant to
Speaker 1: be around if we lost. Oh but you were. You
Speaker 1: were not pleasant, but you stood up and you answered
Speaker 1: the questions and you were never totally disrespectful. There were times,
Speaker 1: I mean, you and I have talked about this on
Speaker 1: the show. A number of times. I was in a
Speaker 1: bad mood and I might be a little bit uh cranky,
Speaker 1: short or cranky and pushed back. But I always knew
Speaker 1: that you guys had a job to do, and I
Speaker 1: respected the job the media had to do. That it
Speaker 1: was part of the process, and that win or lose,
Speaker 1: you have to stand up and take your medicine. And
Speaker 1: you know, and you know, you always knew in the
Speaker 1: back of your head that you were going to be
Speaker 1: a member of the media. I can honestly say that
Speaker 1: is not true. It's gonna need the Hall of Fame
Speaker 1: votes that some day. So yeah, that Tony knows what
Speaker 1: I'm talking about. Tony knows exactly what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: It's just and I don't get and that's that's not
Speaker 1: a bad thing. By the way, It doesn't mean they
Speaker 1: care any less, just that they they seem to be
Speaker 1: guys that want to go out and play hard, work
Speaker 1: hard if you lose. It's not getting ugly, which I
Speaker 1: think is. And I'm gonna go back to the flipping
Speaker 1: of the culture because the last team you had problems
Speaker 1: with some of those guys. There were some guys that
Speaker 1: were nasty and the culture wasn't great. So I think
Speaker 1: that's a good thing. And now and I here's the
Speaker 1: flip of the flip side of that peak. The test
Speaker 1: is coming that if you keep on rolling off loss
Speaker 1: after loss after loss. Let me know, it'll be interesting
Speaker 1: to see how Doug manages his young team if they
Speaker 1: can't get a win this week against Detroit Um, which
Speaker 1: is not a really very very good team, but they
Speaker 1: have a very good quarterback and they are fighting for
Speaker 1: a coaching staff, fighting for their jobs. Um. I guess
Speaker 1: similar to Jacksonville. If you lose this one and then
Speaker 1: you gotta go to l A and you're one and
Speaker 1: six going into that bye week, it'll be interesting. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But I just don't get this that this is a
Speaker 1: group made up of guys that are going to get nasty.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you just think about it, they don't
Speaker 1: see him. Somebody I heard on the radio the other day.
Speaker 1: I was listening to Jacksonville radio the other day and
Speaker 1: I and and somebody said that Minshew was a little
Speaker 1: short with his answers last week. Is that true? JP
Speaker 1: in Cincinnati? No, during the week last week, because he
Speaker 1: seems like he's always the guy that comes up and
Speaker 1: answer the questions. He's you know, I don't I didn't
Speaker 1: really see that honestly, he's he answers a question, he
Speaker 1: kind of gives you a quote or two that that
Speaker 1: will be a money quote, but then he doesn't give
Speaker 1: you a lot either. You know, he'll say some things
Speaker 1: without saying anything. But he seems like a guy that
Speaker 1: eat at his core, So he might get tired of
Speaker 1: answering the same questions we can. But I don't think
Speaker 1: he's I think he's the same way you talked about
Speaker 1: Tony though. I think he understands why he has to
Speaker 1: be there. Yeah, yeah, I heard he's great with the media. Again,
Speaker 1: I understand that, but I just heard that. I don't
Speaker 1: know who said it. Maybe it was one of the
Speaker 1: guys on Franjie show or heyes, or one of those
Speaker 1: guys said it, and it was I'll say this too,
Speaker 1: knowing the competitor that he is, and I don't know
Speaker 1: him well, len't mind you, but knowing being around the
Speaker 1: building a little bit, and I wouldn't be surprised at
Speaker 1: all if he's upset with the way things are going
Speaker 1: right now, and maybe it does bleed a little bit.
Speaker 1: That's so I'm with you, guys. I would be angry too,
Speaker 1: But I didn't notice it let's put it that way.
Speaker 1: And if you heard that, maybe somebody what I heard
Speaker 1: on the radio. I don't. I don't live there anymore.
Speaker 1: I'm not that locker room, not around the team every day. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but neither is anybody. But I don't think. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: would be more upset if he wasn't upset about what's
Speaker 1: going on right now. And I think he wants to
Speaker 1: go win games and be a great quarterback, So why
Speaker 1: wouldn't he be a little bit maybe had a little
Speaker 1: bit of attitude? Okay, fine. It would be frustrating to
Speaker 1: be a media guy covering the team nowadays because the
Speaker 1: way everything is, you can't really cover him. You're not
Speaker 1: covering him. So weird man not being in there. It
Speaker 1: really is. Yeah, I mean, you got no relationships, you
Speaker 1: got no gossip, know who you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it. It'd be tough to cover with the tea
Speaker 1: if I was the beat guy, and nowadays, in this year,
Speaker 1: I would have a hard time with it. I'd be
Speaker 1: calling guys on the phone, and you gotta be able
Speaker 1: to communicate, like I don't know the rookie class, I
Speaker 1: don't know those guys drift Like what right? What kind
Speaker 1: of guy is James Robinson, Like I've seen him on
Speaker 1: the conference calls. I'm sure he's a nice he seems
Speaker 1: like a nice guy, and he's playing well, and but
Speaker 1: it'd be nice to just have a ten minute conversation
Speaker 1: with him. I don't know if i'd know what any
Speaker 1: of these guys look like if I saw him on
Speaker 1: the street, right, I mean, it's it's just like you
Speaker 1: never We're never around him. Like when Fred was out
Speaker 1: of his rookie yeard. I remember going to his locker
Speaker 1: and sitting there talking to him, and he said he
Speaker 1: could rush for two thousand. I had a headline and
Speaker 1: he could have yeah, and he could scored a lot
Speaker 1: of touchdowns if Tom didn't take him out either. Don't
Speaker 1: say that, believe me. Yeah. Let's get to some of
Speaker 1: the headlines of the day, of course, the offense struggling
Speaker 1: in key moments. Yesterday in Houston, there were three times
Speaker 1: inside the twenty five yard line that they came away
Speaker 1: with zero points, and one of those that they got
Speaker 1: to the twenty one at the deepest point and then
Speaker 1: had a holding call and missed a forty nine yard
Speaker 1: field goal. They were down inside the tenant one point
Speaker 1: had a fourth and one came away without points. Did
Speaker 1: they bail on the run tune soon? That's a talking
Speaker 1: point today, Gardner though, as we've talked about this show already,
Speaker 1: he's throwing at forty nine times a game. That maybe
Speaker 1: a bit too many, especially when a lot of that
Speaker 1: game was a one score game a lot of the time. Yesterday,
Speaker 1: defense though, did their best considering the the starters that
Speaker 1: were out of the football game. Four sharters missed yesterday
Speaker 1: and another was kicked out ejected from the game, but
Speaker 1: got away from that group of guys on defense in
Speaker 1: the fourth quarter. Either way, it's a fourth straight loss
Speaker 1: and the third straight loss to a team that I
Speaker 1: don't want a game yet, Let's stay, let's stay at
Speaker 1: the defense be it. I'd like to beat your perspective
Speaker 1: and this defense get better this year? Or is this
Speaker 1: an off season problem? Maybe Jeff and I have talked
Speaker 1: about it quite a bit. You think this is an
Speaker 1: off season issue that you can't address still, then it
Speaker 1: is what it is, and that they're gonna give a
Speaker 1: bunch of points every week. Or can they get better?
Speaker 1: M uh, they have a chance to get a little
Speaker 1: bit better, But I don't think it's gonna be significantly better.
Speaker 1: I think they lack power players inside to push the pocket.
Speaker 1: They lack corners who well, let's let me correct myself,
Speaker 1: because I think Henderson and Herndon and maybe if Sidney
Speaker 1: Jones starts playing, you had it's the group, isn't that
Speaker 1: isn't awful? What do you think about the safety spot?
Speaker 1: I mean, you got Wilson back, he made a play yesterday.
Speaker 1: Josh Jones is a really good He's really good, really
Speaker 1: good at the run. Not a good coverage guy. I mean,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't mean to be fair. I can't remember him
Speaker 1: being a liability coverage though. Yeah maybe, but um, but
Speaker 1: if you get Wilson back and you've got a good group,
Speaker 1: that's not a bad group. But again, if all goes
Speaker 1: back Tony, you know what this league is all about,
Speaker 1: passers and pass rushers. If you have a pastor in
Speaker 1: the pass rusher and pass rushers, you should be good.
Speaker 1: So I'll say this, I think I think they can
Speaker 1: get better. I think there's a ceiling how good they
Speaker 1: can be. But the only way they're getting better is
Speaker 1: than Miles Jack is healthy the rest of the year
Speaker 1: and Josh Allen um finds his group as a pass rusher.
Speaker 1: That's on the chance out closed with those guys to playing.
Speaker 1: I know Alan wasn't close, but how it sounded like
Speaker 1: Jack was close at one point. I think the word
Speaker 1: I heard of the press conference today JP. Correct me
Speaker 1: if I'm wrong that Doug Rowne felt good about everyone
Speaker 1: being back this week or injury wise, except for Andrew
Speaker 1: wingerd and Josh Lambeau. Correct. Yeah, Lambeo was going to
Speaker 1: be until they switched the schedule around, and he had
Speaker 1: a chance right after that original by, but now it's
Speaker 1: going to be after the new by. But yeah, Wingered
Speaker 1: is out for a little bit. Sounds like abdominal issue.
Speaker 1: But the other guys they said they see about Josh
Speaker 1: Allen on Wednesday. Didn't have anything really definitive today on Alan.
Speaker 1: But we'll see on Wednesday when they all come back
Speaker 1: to practice. So Allen didn't make it, so he was
Speaker 1: done to begin with. Yeah, I think they can get
Speaker 1: better like Allan's I'm still a big believer in Josh Allen.
Speaker 1: I think he's a really good player, so um and Miles.
Speaker 1: Jack is the best player in the football team right now.
Speaker 1: He gets back healthy. That's gonna help him. And I
Speaker 1: do believe that table On Chason can get better throughout
Speaker 1: the year and he'll get more comfortable rush in the
Speaker 1: pastor and the position these Playingcuse I do think he's
Speaker 1: a good athlete and he has some physical gifts that
Speaker 1: can help. But I see him getting better throughout the year.
Speaker 1: So I think they can't get better because I think
Speaker 1: the rushed the pastor. You know, they'll be improved as
Speaker 1: the year goes on. Yeah, I would agree with you.
Speaker 1: I think they can get better. I just don't know
Speaker 1: how much better. And I gotta get down interior guys pocket.
Speaker 1: That's what they need. They need down interior guys who
Speaker 1: can push the pocket. And that's an offseason deal. Man.
Speaker 1: You can't do that right now. Hard to do that
Speaker 1: right now. I mean, they're promoting guys in the practice squad,
Speaker 1: but you can't go outside the building and just find those.
Speaker 1: I mean, and in the last four games all Austins
Speaker 1: they've given up over I mean they have three. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's just that's hard to win football games when you're
Speaker 1: giving with that many points. They're not. It's a league
Speaker 1: full of bad defenses and they're one of the worst
Speaker 1: let's be honest about it. You said last week they're
Speaker 1: the worst. Pete, Yeah, they might be, so you said
Speaker 1: they were. I'm just now you're backing on. I'm trying
Speaker 1: to I'm trying to be nicer this week. You're a
Speaker 1: little harsh last week, I'll say they're the worst. They're
Speaker 1: the worst defense in the league. I mean, Pete like
Speaker 1: he's extremes. You can't get better. This ceiling is this
Speaker 1: is what is? Are they the worst team in the league? Defense? No?
Speaker 1: Who is? Um? I was gonna say the Bengals probably
Speaker 1: they got what Geno ackages on the field. They don't
Speaker 1: have the Jets. The Jets are terrible on the defense.
Speaker 1: They're bad, They're they're probably the Jets and the Jaguars
Speaker 1: are probably two of the worst. They're two worst. Trying
Speaker 1: to think who else is really bad? The Falcons are
Speaker 1: pretty close. Everybody don't give them mhm alright, let's let's
Speaker 1: get back to defense too. You know, they're on pace
Speaker 1: to give it the most yards in the history of
Speaker 1: the NFL, right now, the defense and they're five and
Speaker 1: oh what about the Miami Dolphins scored more points at
Speaker 1: that stadium in Santa clar contin any other team ever
Speaker 1: going in there. Think about that. It's crazy. It's amazing,
Speaker 1: really is Hey, let's come back in a moment and
Speaker 1: social questions. We got some doozies today. How many j
Speaker 1: et As did you get? I don't know. Check your
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Speaker 1: roll along on this Monday. J. P. Shadrick with Pete
Speaker 1: Prisco in South Florida and Tony Boselli somewhere Where are
Speaker 1: you today? Tony? I'm okay. Oh you're at the beach,
Speaker 1: all right? Good? Couldn't tell. I couldn't tell from that
Speaker 1: vantage point if you're watching on Jaguars Facebook or Jaguars
Speaker 1: dot Com at this time. Now for social media questions,
Speaker 1: we put the bat signal out early in the day
Speaker 1: and here's what we've come up with today. Question number
Speaker 1: one at Samuel Underscore of Underscore Duval, what's the worst
Speaker 1: mistake we made this past offseason? A good one. I'll
Speaker 1: let you go first. I gotta think about that. Stumped. Wow,
Speaker 1: what a question. The worst mistake? Um? Wow? This was
Speaker 1: this one guy keep its status quoe. Yeah. I mean
Speaker 1: some would say, you know, Klaus, right, Klaus letting some
Speaker 1: of those kind of guys go. No, the bigger most
Speaker 1: people would say the biggest mistake was keeping it status quo.
Speaker 1: Let's be honest, coaching staff and GM is what you mean, correct.
Speaker 1: I could argue getting to the point where it was
Speaker 1: so toxic that one of your best young defensive players
Speaker 1: and Goway didn't want to stay on the roster and
Speaker 1: was willing to go pay play for what six million
Speaker 1: dollars less or seven million dollars left, whatever it was
Speaker 1: in um Minnesota instead of signing a deal with you.
Speaker 1: Because the bottom line is, and we can argue whether
Speaker 1: in Goquay was worth the money he was asking for,
Speaker 1: which I would say many millions too much for Gockway.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, if you figure out how
Speaker 1: to get a deal done within Gockway, you use that
Speaker 1: first rounder on probably someone else in Cable, on Chase,
Speaker 1: on Dad, you know, to some issues you have another
Speaker 1: parts of the roster possibly um. And so I think
Speaker 1: it's it's it's always bad to get rid of guys
Speaker 1: who love football and are good players. Um that you
Speaker 1: drat that you found in the third round. I would
Speaker 1: say that, And I get why they had to. It
Speaker 1: was too much water in the bridge. And if and
Speaker 1: not being a part of those negotiations, if Dave Caldwell
Speaker 1: and the Jaguars organization told us that he was not
Speaker 1: signing for anything under twenty million, then um, that would
Speaker 1: make then maybe it's not as big as a mistake. Um.
Speaker 1: I mean outside of that getting bad luck of signing
Speaker 1: defensive interior defensive linement. One you had a bad heart
Speaker 1: and another one who decided to op out. You know,
Speaker 1: is that a bad decision or bad luck? It's just
Speaker 1: bad all the way around. It's tough to place that
Speaker 1: on um Dave and Doug. Um, you didn't know al
Speaker 1: would just gonna opt out. You know, this pandemic was
Speaker 1: gonna be what it is. I still don't understand the
Speaker 1: process of the pre physical um of Gunter before you
Speaker 1: signed it as a free agent. Why the issue wasn't
Speaker 1: caught beforehand? Um, you know, so not knowing enough about that,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to comment, but that's probably more bad
Speaker 1: luck than bad decision. And then I think a lot
Speaker 1: of people would probably agree with a lot of people
Speaker 1: would say the base mistake was is not making a change. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask you this, Tony. You said if they
Speaker 1: had signed in gock Way, they wouldn't drafted Calevan Chason. Correct,
Speaker 1: you wouldn't need them, You wouldn't need them. Okay, Okay,
Speaker 1: let's go through the back end after Chason was picked,
Speaker 1: and you tell me which guy you would want on
Speaker 1: the roster in place of him, just that you know,
Speaker 1: Jalen Reagor I'm gonna who that is the place wide
Speaker 1: receiver for the Eagles, justin Jefferson. He's really good. But
Speaker 1: you do have to Chennault in the second. That's fine,
Speaker 1: but just really good. Okay, Yeah, he's very Kenneth Murray,
Speaker 1: the linebacker been a linebacker for the Chargers. He's not
Speaker 1: really good. Great, he's good, But okay, you would have
Speaker 1: probably you've already already signed, so you're not gonna pick
Speaker 1: up uh who you're going to get it out? Uh
Speaker 1: Jordan's Love No, no, uh Jordan Brooks, No Patrick Queen,
Speaker 1: But you're already signed Shoberaiah Wilson the right tackle. No, No,
Speaker 1: ig Manogady, No Jeff Gladney. You'd already drafted the corner.
Speaker 1: You're gonna draft another one in the first round. Well,
Speaker 1: you could argue that, and how's that corner? The guy
Speaker 1: you just said, how's he playing? Gladn He plays for
Speaker 1: the Vikings. You saw him last night. He played for
Speaker 1: He's a good player. But you already drafted Henderson at nine. Overall,
Speaker 1: you're doing two corners where wherever you could argue. But
Speaker 1: at my point is I guess you would argue if
Speaker 1: you if you didn't got what would just meant that,
Speaker 1: you know, when you had a second round, a second
Speaker 1: first round, or would you would you put a spend
Speaker 1: it on a big man inside. I mean, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of things that mean. It's a lot of what ifs.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying listen, by the way, I'm not even
Speaker 1: arguing that trading in Gockway was the wrong move overall,
Speaker 1: because you have to understand what the negotiations were, how
Speaker 1: much money he's working for. I mean, the question stumped me,
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, and I'm I was grasping
Speaker 1: at straws a little bit to figure out what the
Speaker 1: biggest mistake in this offseason was. And I didn't want
Speaker 1: to jump on the bandwagon with Pete who said keeping
Speaker 1: status quo and so um. Like. I could argue that
Speaker 1: trading and Dockway was the right move because of um
Speaker 1: the contract situation, but I go back to the bad
Speaker 1: blood in the feelings between the organization and in Gockway.
Speaker 1: We're not just this. This past offseason is an issue
Speaker 1: that was boiling. It was a boiling issue or rising
Speaker 1: to the top of a major issue over the last
Speaker 1: probably twelve months. So. But but the way the draft
Speaker 1: dropped out, you know, because you think you'd if you
Speaker 1: if you had a got Way, you'd want a big
Speaker 1: power player inside. That's what you would ideally, like it
Speaker 1: really wasn't. There wasn't one there. Yeah, you'd have to
Speaker 1: make that you don't have to pick kin Law at
Speaker 1: number nine and then get the corner later in the draft. Correct.
Speaker 1: So there you go. There's question number one, and that's
Speaker 1: a doozy that that got us going here on the
Speaker 1: social questions. Let's go to question number two at Jags.
Speaker 1: As we continue to get deeper into the season, as
Speaker 1: Gardner approving more and more to not be the guy
Speaker 1: in Eric quotes, what would he have to do consistently
Speaker 1: in the remaining eleven games to show he's the franchise
Speaker 1: I say win? Yeah, I mean that's a dumb player.
Speaker 1: That's a dumb answer. Well, thanks to win games. That's
Speaker 1: part of it. You have to show that you can
Speaker 1: win games. You have to show that you're progressing and
Speaker 1: improving and that the skill set you have um are
Speaker 1: greater than any deficiency that we know about arm strength
Speaker 1: and everything else. So you have two great such a
Speaker 1: get to me, I'm so good at one of those
Speaker 1: other skill sets. And I'll go back to the question
Speaker 1: about the off season. I could argue that the mistake
Speaker 1: was is not making a move to go get Justin
Speaker 1: Herbert in the first round, if even if you have
Speaker 1: to trade up, because that's I mean, I'm of the opinion.
Speaker 1: Until you know you have a franchise quarterback, I think
Speaker 1: you have to go get one. You have to go
Speaker 1: find one. And so you could argue that was a mistake.
Speaker 1: Um uh. And but as far as Minshew and what
Speaker 1: you know you have to see, I think you have
Speaker 1: to see progress. I think you've seeing better in the pocket.
Speaker 1: I see you have to see him starting participating better,
Speaker 1: making those throws down the field, pressing the ball down
Speaker 1: the field into the tight windows with accuracy um and
Speaker 1: being consistent in it um to a point that it
Speaker 1: overcomes any limitations that you know he has. As far
Speaker 1: as our arm strength, here's what he needs to do.
Speaker 1: Get the doctors to give him Jake Gluten. Here we
Speaker 1: go and get that arm on there, and then you
Speaker 1: buy that you'd have a really good quarterback. Well by
Speaker 1: you saying that, Pete, you don't think there's anything he
Speaker 1: can do that you believe that there's nothing he can
Speaker 1: do to prove to you that he is the franchise quarterback. No,
Speaker 1: I would disagree with that. And I think winning's part
Speaker 1: of it. Yeah, Pete, winning winning what winning three games?
Speaker 1: Is that part of it? No? No, no, no, they
Speaker 1: have to find a way to win. I think you
Speaker 1: have to get you have to get to seven. By
Speaker 1: the way, somebody sent in a comparison. I don't know
Speaker 1: if you were going to read it on the air,
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna jump the gun anyways, Case Keenum, Oh,
Speaker 1: he said, that's the ceiling is Case Keenum. Do you
Speaker 1: agree with that? Pete? Case Keenum might have had a
Speaker 1: little stronger harm to be honestly, but I see I
Speaker 1: see what he's saying. I do see what he's saying.
Speaker 1: Case Keena moved around. But if that's the case that
Speaker 1: you have to go get a quarterback, well, if you
Speaker 1: have the first pick, you're going to get a quarterback anyway.
Speaker 1: I don't care if you don't have the first pick.
Speaker 1: If you have a top ten pick, you have to
Speaker 1: go get a quarterback. You have to go find a way.
Speaker 1: I agree, I agree, I agree. Anyways, I think they do.
Speaker 1: And I came into the season with an open mind.
Speaker 1: I really did. I thought he I wanted to see
Speaker 1: him get better in the pocket. I wanted to see
Speaker 1: him driving. So I'm gonna ask you. I'm gonna ask
Speaker 1: you a question, Pete, with what you saw last year
Speaker 1: from the team and from Gardner, minshoot and having two
Speaker 1: first rounders Harvard, would you traded up two picks in
Speaker 1: front of the Chargers to go get Herbert? Yes? Absolutely,
Speaker 1: you know, I have a herb. I think I liked
Speaker 1: Herbert coming out of college too. I thought he was
Speaker 1: I thought he had a lot of uh characteristics that
Speaker 1: you like. And um, I really liked them coming out.
Speaker 1: But they do. You remember the scuttle butt was his personality.
Speaker 1: Wasn't you know at him buy any of it? I
Speaker 1: tell you what. They love him in Los Angeles. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and the players love him. That's the biggest compliment, right,
Speaker 1: He's got it. Believe me, he's got it. You know
Speaker 1: when you see it, you know when you see it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that's interesting because I mean, and I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna sit here and say I would have been that
Speaker 1: strong where I'd have traded two picks up to go
Speaker 1: get him. Um, but in hindsight, in hindsight, you do it.
Speaker 1: I do it right right this second. But I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna I'm not gonna be there. I like them coming
Speaker 1: out a lot, um, but I you know, I just
Speaker 1: I wasn't convinced. I was not convinced coming into the
Speaker 1: season and We talked about this in the offseason JP
Speaker 1: and and on shows. Um the Gardener was the man
Speaker 1: not saying he but I also wasn't convinced he wasn't.
Speaker 1: And when you are in a position of indecision with
Speaker 1: your quarterback, then I think you gotta go find guys
Speaker 1: to compete with them. So you could have You could
Speaker 1: have gone up to four because the Giants wanted to tackle,
Speaker 1: and there were four of them in that draft, And
Speaker 1: if they had traded back to nine, they still could
Speaker 1: have got Wills or Beckton rather than take Thomas, So
Speaker 1: you could have gone to nine into four and got
Speaker 1: him if you wanted them. You know how I feel
Speaker 1: about Herbert I I I'm with you. I'm I think
Speaker 1: the kid is going to be it. I think he's
Speaker 1: gonna be He is the guy that picked the partner draft,
Speaker 1: coming in by everybody for his accuracy, much like Josh
Speaker 1: Allen was. But you can look at him and you say,
Speaker 1: you know what, there's a lot to work with their
Speaker 1: He's gonna be a good player. But they didn't. So
Speaker 1: this is what this is what it is. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but and that's why I'm not going to give up
Speaker 1: home Gardner yet. I'm not in the same campus beat.
Speaker 1: I think there is stuff he can do to prove
Speaker 1: to me at least that he is the future of
Speaker 1: this franchise. But but Tony, Okay, People will say, well,
Speaker 1: what if he was in Jacksonville's offense, would he have
Speaker 1: the same success he's had? The charges of it? The
Speaker 1: Chargers don't have a ton of talent on offense. We
Speaker 1: actually the offensive, the offensive line is better for the Jaguars,
Speaker 1: the receiving the receiving corps is a little bit better
Speaker 1: for the Williams. Has it been? And and so is
Speaker 1: the tight ends really good too? On her Henry? Yeah,
Speaker 1: so they're a little Mike Williams hasn't been on the field.
Speaker 1: He's been throwing the guy that touched out as his
Speaker 1: last week and came the guys off the street. All right.
Speaker 1: Our next question comes from at Brandon Bushyight won seven. Pete,
Speaker 1: I need your take on this. Oh boy, I can't wait.
Speaker 1: Is it too early to admit the showburn experiment is
Speaker 1: a bust? I know Tony's response will be no, because
Speaker 1: he's been able to help Miles Shack moved to his
Speaker 1: correct position. But I feel nine of the middle linebackers
Speaker 1: could have done that. Uh. To answer your question, yes, okay, wait,
Speaker 1: time out, time explain why he's a bust. I don't know.
Speaker 1: He's not a bus Is he worth the money they
Speaker 1: spent on that? Okay, that's fair, that's a fair quint.
Speaker 1: That's fair. And the answer to my answer would be no,
Speaker 1: I have not seen anything that and I think JP
Speaker 1: correct me if I'm wrong. Show is one of the
Speaker 1: higher paid middle linebackers in the league. Is that correct?
Speaker 1: I would say probably yes, Okay, And I don't know,
Speaker 1: And I don't think he's one of the more impactful
Speaker 1: middle linebackers in the NFL. I don't think he makes
Speaker 1: huge mistakes. Um. I think he's in the right place
Speaker 1: for the most part. But I have not seen him
Speaker 1: make impact plays per se. Uh. Now we're only five
Speaker 1: games in. It's very early. Um. Right now, I'd qualify
Speaker 1: him as a solid player, but it's like it fairness
Speaker 1: to him. The guys in front of him aren't occupying
Speaker 1: a lot of bodies either. They're not that you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, They're not great up front. So it
Speaker 1: is one of those situations where it might be nice
Speaker 1: to see him evaluated in a situation where he has
Speaker 1: a lot more help around them. So I'm I will
Speaker 1: give him, I will give him that benefit of the doubt.
Speaker 1: But he's not a bus. That's I mean, he's not
Speaker 1: a bus. Okay, He's the guys that are making more
Speaker 1: than him right now, right inside linebackers mostly Jalen Smith
Speaker 1: who hasn't played close to that country draft, Zach Cunningham
Speaker 1: he's a stud now he's good. Miles Jack, he's a stud,
Speaker 1: Dion Jones, Bobby Wagner, he's do you see him? He
Speaker 1: is so good on Alexander. I'm good too, so then
Speaker 1: showbur this year. Yeah he was hurt last year. But
Speaker 1: but I mean there are guys you could go get too.
Speaker 1: I mean you, I am always looking for a young
Speaker 1: bumper to go run and chase. That's what I'm looking for.
Speaker 1: I I try and find a guy like that, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like, Okay, can can Jack Porterman
Speaker 1: play at all? You know you drafted him. I think
Speaker 1: he's a inside middle. I don't think he's gonna be
Speaker 1: out there at nigglebe No, but he would he could
Speaker 1: play on first a second down because he was I know,
Speaker 1: but still need a nickel and schober can play Nickel.
Speaker 1: I don't think he's chasing guys. Hey, you're paying Nickel
Speaker 1: that kind of money, don't you know? He know you do?
Speaker 1: You pay an every down linebacker that kind of money?
Speaker 1: But is he good enough? And as a thumper, that's
Speaker 1: the question. Is he more of a nickel on linebacker?
Speaker 1: I think you can dump. I think he's that. I don't.
Speaker 1: I just don't know how he can run? Do you humper?
Speaker 1: I wouldn't watch him. I would even Cleveland. I would
Speaker 1: have never qualified. Like running. He's a sideline to Silente Chase.
Speaker 1: He's a running and Chase gun. I thought you were
Speaker 1: talking about quarterman. I'm sorry, quarter right, He's That's what
Speaker 1: I was talking about. Yeah, No, Schobers not out of
Speaker 1: curiosity where the Schobert ranking PF grades, Not that this
Speaker 1: is dangerous territories for me because I might lose it.
Speaker 1: You're not gonna lose it. I'll find it though. All right,
Speaker 1: Next question, j Next, we got time for two more.
Speaker 1: Let's go to social number four. Do you see Scott
Speaker 1: oh six oh two? What is the likelihood with the
Speaker 1: trade deadline approaching and we try and trade to get
Speaker 1: more draft picks for example, D D. Westbrook isn't active,
Speaker 1: but he could be used by a team looking for
Speaker 1: more wide receiver. Then yeah, but you're not gonna get
Speaker 1: any real trade value for d D. Westbrook. What do
Speaker 1: you think he gonna get back at six seventh rounder?
Speaker 1: Why would you do that? I mean, unless someone willing
Speaker 1: to give you a third or fourth rounder, I'm not
Speaker 1: sure why you trade d he that depth. He doesn't
Speaker 1: cost you anything. I mean, I hate it for d
Speaker 1: D that he has to sit on the bench, but
Speaker 1: I'm not sure six or seventh rounders. And the forced
Speaker 1: media real excited about moving the guy that started somebody
Speaker 1: gets in case somebody gets hurt. Yeah, I keep it.
Speaker 1: By the way, Shoberd is seven ranked uh inside linebacker.
Speaker 1: So there's sixty four if you count two for each teams,
Speaker 1: that's the bottom half. Okay, let's put it by comparison.
Speaker 1: Miles Jack is number one, as great as ninety one.
Speaker 1: Showbird is forty seven and is great is the nine
Speaker 1: number one? Yeah, he's been playing so well, but but
Speaker 1: his grade was what I say is grade was Showbert's
Speaker 1: grade is forty forty seven point eight. That's a significant difference.
Speaker 1: Hut that and and if you want to rank and
Speaker 1: run defenses by far as worse, let's not a long
Speaker 1: one more question social question, all right from at sick Win.
Speaker 1: Have we hit rock bottom yet? And if not, what
Speaker 1: is the bottom? Well, as they always say, it could
Speaker 1: always be worse, right, guys, Well, I think this is
Speaker 1: a question not just this year. I think this is
Speaker 1: a feeling over the last you know, outside of seventeen,
Speaker 1: the last decade is probably this comment. I mean, because
Speaker 1: it's been you know, you haven't been a good football
Speaker 1: team for a long time outside of out of the
Speaker 1: side of the one year in seventeen, which was a
Speaker 1: lot of fun and they got today's championship, almost to
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. And so I think the frustration of
Speaker 1: the fan base and everyone's and I get it. I
Speaker 1: mean it's hard to argue, you know, you start one
Speaker 1: in four and you lose, really you lost three bad
Speaker 1: games in a row, um, And I think there's a
Speaker 1: lot of despair and discouragement out there in uh in
Speaker 1: JAG's fan world. Here's how low, here's the lowest that,
Speaker 1: this is the lowest, this is the lowest that could go.
Speaker 1: You go one in fifteen and you don't get the
Speaker 1: first pick. That's as low as it can go. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it'd be pretty bad. I mean, he's not wrong because
Speaker 1: it depresses me thinking about it. That's as bad as
Speaker 1: it gets. They can't go any lower than that. And
Speaker 1: remember the whole idea. Oh that ramspick might be pretty
Speaker 1: good too. It might have another there four and one. Great.
Speaker 1: Thanks feet for cheering us up. Appreciate that. Thanks for
Speaker 1: the social media questions tonight. Keep them coming every week
Speaker 1: here on Diaguars Happy Hour. We're back. In a moment,
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Speaker 1: on this Monday after the Jaguars loss in Houston yesterday,
Speaker 1: fourth consecutive losing result for the Jags are now one
Speaker 1: and four, and we'll go through the f C South
Speaker 1: standings and the power rankings cover this should be Radio.
Speaker 1: Let's start around the SEC South, of course. The Texans
Speaker 1: beat the Jacks for their first win of the season yesterday,
Speaker 1: the third consecutive team that has beaten the Jags for
Speaker 1: their first win of the season. The Indianapolis Colts lost
Speaker 1: to the Browns and the Browns might actually be good
Speaker 1: and what four one for the first time since it's
Speaker 1: a ninety four since Bill Belichick was there and Nick
Speaker 1: Saban was an assistant. And the Titans are playing football
Speaker 1: tomorrow night for the first time in two weeks. They'll
Speaker 1: be playing after all those positive tests in the building.
Speaker 1: They're playing the Bills Josh Allen four and oh and
Speaker 1: the bill is hot to start. Who you got in
Speaker 1: that game Tuesday? First of all for the Tennessee Titan,
Speaker 1: I'm taking the Bills. I think the Titans defense is awful.
Speaker 1: I think thirty points in the last two games. They're
Speaker 1: not good on defense. I think jo Josh Allen's gonna
Speaker 1: light them up. And how much have they practiced? Tony
Speaker 1: as a player, If you don't get a couple of
Speaker 1: practices and is that bad, well, I think you're a
Speaker 1: little bit rusty. I mean, you can put the pads
Speaker 1: on for the first time. I'll tell you what, You'll
Speaker 1: be fresh. Let be running around feel good. That's what
Speaker 1: I mean. Is it? Is it a good thing or
Speaker 1: is it a bad thing? Um? I can't even comprehend
Speaker 1: that being out that long, that's two weeks, be very
Speaker 1: little activity all virtual. I mean, have they put the
Speaker 1: pads on one time in two weeks? Yeah? I think
Speaker 1: I think it's um. I think it's a big I
Speaker 1: think it's a disadvantage as much as players don't like
Speaker 1: the practice because they want to play games only. I
Speaker 1: do think, you know, practice doesn't matter, and uh, I
Speaker 1: think they're at a disadvantage. And I think, yeah, I
Speaker 1: think the Bills have an advantaged even I think the
Speaker 1: Bills are really good. By the way, the Bills get
Speaker 1: caught looking ahead to the Chiefs next week. No, I
Speaker 1: think I think Sean mcderham a really good coach. Me too,
Speaker 1: me too. So of course, now that we mentioned the
Speaker 1: Browns over the Colts, Peter, the Brown's good. All of
Speaker 1: a sudden, they could run it. They leave the league
Speaker 1: and running. They're a leading And what they've done is
Speaker 1: they made it so it makes easy throws for Baker
Speaker 1: Mayfield when he is in the pocket, though he's threw
Speaker 1: two terrible interceptions and Rivers played awful yesterday. Did you
Speaker 1: see how to pick six for the rounds? Oh? Yeah,
Speaker 1: Ronnie Harrison, Yeah, the Browns do really well, Pete. And
Speaker 1: they can rush the pastor Myles garrettson piece. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: do again. I think Kevin, I I met Kevin Stefansky
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, and I've gotten to know
Speaker 1: him a little bit. He is exactly what they needed
Speaker 1: in that organization. He's a Philly guy, he's you know,
Speaker 1: he knows, he's got a little bit of an attitude,
Speaker 1: but he's also smart. Right. I think he's gonna be
Speaker 1: a hell of a coach. I really do. I think
Speaker 1: they're on the right moving in the right direction. They're
Speaker 1: still not great on defense, even though they rushed the pastor,
Speaker 1: they still have some issues on defense. Philip Rivers is
Speaker 1: not very good. Whoa Oh my gosh, think about it.
Speaker 1: They've lost two games and he cost them both of them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think because I mean, see, he's the issue there
Speaker 1: right now because they're playing good defense, good weapons. They
Speaker 1: don't have a new weapons outside either. T y Olton
Speaker 1: can't get going, and so where else is he going
Speaker 1: with it? The tight end Moalley cox is had some
Speaker 1: good games, but where else what do they have? And
Speaker 1: no speed? Really, So you don't think he's the issue
Speaker 1: right now? No, I don't think he's playing well at all.
Speaker 1: I think he's an issue. Yes, that's yeah, I know,
Speaker 1: because you love him. So let's get to our power
Speaker 1: rankings going into week six. Actually, with another game in
Speaker 1: week five remaining tomorrow night Tony get us started. Please
Speaker 1: AFC South Power rankings highly anticipated painful listening to be
Speaker 1: a painful segment for me. Um, I'm going Tennessee is
Speaker 1: number one, even though I think the Bills are gonna
Speaker 1: be and I still think they're the best team in
Speaker 1: the an SC South. Um the culture number two. Um,
Speaker 1: even though I think I hate to say, because I
Speaker 1: really like Philip Rivers as well as a player, but
Speaker 1: he might be on the doorstep of being done. Um,
Speaker 1: because I think they have a really good defense. They
Speaker 1: can run the ball. Uh, this is hurts right now
Speaker 1: where I'm about to say, but I can't deny it.
Speaker 1: The Texans won, The Texans are three, and the Jags
Speaker 1: are in the door there the doormat there last, I'll
Speaker 1: agree with across the board. I would if if the
Speaker 1: Colts had won, clearly they would have been the best
Speaker 1: team in the division. But the way that Rivers has
Speaker 1: played those two losses, come on, they lost to the Jaguars.
Speaker 1: You should have won that game through two was it
Speaker 1: two picks in that game? And he too yesterday he
Speaker 1: just he didn't look good. He doesn't look good and
Speaker 1: So there's Pete daily scored twenty points against the Jaguars.
Speaker 1: They're gonna bench him? Pete, Well, there's people are asking
Speaker 1: that question. They asked Frank Reich about it today and
Speaker 1: he said, no, yeah, would you bend him? Not yet? Yeah,
Speaker 1: at least you gotta let him play it out. For
Speaker 1: so ranked quarterbacks in the AFC the South, Danny Hill
Speaker 1: might be one Watson too, uh minshewn and rivers the
Speaker 1: way he's playing. I mean, that's what I'm saying. I
Speaker 1: think I might agree with you. But you know what, Tony,
Speaker 1: we're killing rivers up until the last week and we
Speaker 1: went and played to the Bears and they won. He
Speaker 1: was completing over seventies something present of his bars is
Speaker 1: but he's still is a hard time drying. He like
Speaker 1: he's another one has a hard time driving it down
Speaker 1: the field. Yeah, because he's always been a guy that
Speaker 1: uses his lower body and torque and drive the ball.
Speaker 1: And I don't think he has any power anymore. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's just getting old. He's done, probably, Pete, what are
Speaker 1: your power rankings are the same as Tony's? Yes, exactly
Speaker 1: the same, exact No controversy this week. Okay, to get
Speaker 1: blown out. What if the Titans. Let's let's spin it forward.
Speaker 1: What if the Titans kept blown out? It's still I'm
Speaker 1: still picking the Titans over every teams out. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: they're not that good. They're not that good. It's a
Speaker 1: bad division, alright. So the a f C South Power
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Speaker 1: League and our final moments here and recap week number five.
Speaker 1: And the Falcons made moves today after their loss to
Speaker 1: the Panthers six. Demetrough out the general manager and Dan
Speaker 1: Quinn also out today. Pete in Atlanta after an oh
Speaker 1: and five starts. Yeah, that's one of those situations where
Speaker 1: he came back last year he's gonna get fired. Last
Speaker 1: year he rallied him and they said, Okay, we'll give
Speaker 1: me a shot to turn it around, and you go
Speaker 1: oh and five and blow double digit leads. I mean,
Speaker 1: they had to make a change, and it's not surprising.
Speaker 1: And as far as the METROF you usually get two
Speaker 1: coaches and you're done. That's pretty simple in the NFL,
Speaker 1: not surprising, Tony. I hate because I like both those guys,
Speaker 1: and I really like Dan Queennez in person, and you know,
Speaker 1: I think he's a good football coaches and it was
Speaker 1: time to make a change. I get it why I
Speaker 1: hated for him, And I really like Thomas de me Trump.
Speaker 1: I've had a lot of good conversations with them, and
Speaker 1: if you look at they had, they're probably one of
Speaker 1: the greatest runs in the history of the franchise under him,
Speaker 1: um for a little up until the last three years.
Speaker 1: So I hate it for both those guys, but it
Speaker 1: is the NFL, and this is how this business works.
Speaker 1: They never really recovered from that Super Bowl loss when
Speaker 1: they had the big lead, and they were never the
Speaker 1: same organization really after that point. Obviously, they didn't really
Speaker 1: recover from that. The Ravens over the Bengals three dominant,
Speaker 1: seven sacks of Borrow. The Ravens are pretty good here,
Speaker 1: Pete obviously well, but Lamar Jackson is not playing like
Speaker 1: he did a year ago. Inaccurate. Yeah, he's got her
Speaker 1: shooting the ball over the place. It's just not good
Speaker 1: right now. And he's kind of pick up his game now.
Speaker 1: He was dinged a little bit and didn't practice last week,
Speaker 1: so he didn't run as much. But you know how
Speaker 1: I feel, Tony. I think once you have to be
Speaker 1: able to throw from the pocket, because once the ability
Speaker 1: to run the way he's run so far goes away,
Speaker 1: the teams defend them differently. And it's never. You don't
Speaker 1: get faster as you get older. We we know, I
Speaker 1: believe me. I can speak from experience, and I know
Speaker 1: old man to spell. He can speak from experience as well.
Speaker 1: You don't get older as you You don't get faster
Speaker 1: to get older. So eventually he's got to start playing
Speaker 1: inside that pocket and making frozen there. And uh, he's
Speaker 1: not playing that well right now. And I thought he
Speaker 1: made progress last year and that and um even earlier.
Speaker 1: Yere he I thought. But then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: that Thursday night game I did, he was all over
Speaker 1: the place, inaccurate, didn't play well. I didn't, and you know,
Speaker 1: and then the Kansas City game, I'm sorry on Thursday,
Speaker 1: the Monday night game against Kansas City, he just did
Speaker 1: not Man, he was just so inaccurate. And yeah, and
Speaker 1: he hasn't played great the last two weeks. They've won
Speaker 1: football games because they have some talent and he can
Speaker 1: still beat with his legs to you, so athletic. But
Speaker 1: he's gonna play better. I think he will. He's a
Speaker 1: competitive defense. Won that game yesterday. They got all of
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow. We can't they can't pretend. I know, well
Speaker 1: they protected against one team. Let's move along. The Raiders
Speaker 1: over the Chiefs forty to thirty two. And well, they
Speaker 1: called it. They said, in order for this to be
Speaker 1: a rivalry, the Raiders said they gotta win some of
Speaker 1: these games against the Chiefs. They went out and did it.
Speaker 1: Derek Carr had our car had a nice game yesterday.
Speaker 1: He did have a nice game, and that A couple
Speaker 1: of things about that game. One Antonio will know this.
Speaker 1: The Chiefs play offensive line is not playing very well. There,
Speaker 1: you know right right tackle Mitchell Schwartz played great last year.
Speaker 1: He's not playing very well. The rest of the line's
Speaker 1: not playing well. He's taking too many shots, and I
Speaker 1: think teams are starting to make him like Gus Bradley
Speaker 1: always does, make him be patient, and he doesn't like it.
Speaker 1: He doesn't like it at all. And they did a
Speaker 1: really good job. The Raiders. They spied him the whole
Speaker 1: game with RD and key. They did a lot of
Speaker 1: really creative things, and uh, I think it's they got
Speaker 1: to pick it up. And they played the Bills next
Speaker 1: week the Chiefs and they lost the left tackle assembly
Speaker 1: he was card off the build, I mean guard injury,
Speaker 1: the guard guard to Tornell attendance in both knees. Yes,
Speaker 1: and the same play. Yes, how does that happen? Happened
Speaker 1: a wide receiver named Wendell Davis years ago, and it
Speaker 1: happens to Bronco player once as well. That it's it's weird.
Speaker 1: He's done. Agreed with everything you said. Pete Cardinals over
Speaker 1: the Jets thirty to ten. The Jets are awful. The
Speaker 1: Steelers over the Eagles thirty eight twenty nine, and not
Speaker 1: too far down the road, the Jags get the Steelers
Speaker 1: Chase Claypool receivers everywhere. Every single year, they've been looking
Speaker 1: at Antonio Brown, Emmanuel Sanders always guys, they've always find
Speaker 1: him in the you know, second Brown and he hasn't
Speaker 1: done anything this year. Deante Johnson, who didn't play, got
Speaker 1: hurt yesterday. There there, I'll tell you what get them early,
Speaker 1: because they're gonna be good late in the season when
Speaker 1: that offense all gets together and plays the entire year.
Speaker 1: They play the Browns speak, that's an interesting game. That
Speaker 1: would be a good game. That's a good football game
Speaker 1: because that's a good defense. And see how good that
Speaker 1: run games. They didn't play well on defense yesterday, Tony,
Speaker 1: they didn't well. Wentz played good, which I was happy
Speaker 1: for him. I mean, and he's played with a bunch
Speaker 1: of don name receivers. He actually played pretty well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Rams over Washington thirty to ten. The big story though,
Speaker 1: Alex Smith back playing after two years of rehab. What
Speaker 1: a story. It's amazing. I mean, it was a great
Speaker 1: story to see and it's it's so terrible when you
Speaker 1: think his rehab to get back and he plays and
Speaker 1: on the same day Dak Prescott just an awful injury.
Speaker 1: And yeah, but his injury was not as bad as
Speaker 1: al Smith. No, Alex Smith had the knee and it
Speaker 1: was all but they did have a compound fracture. So
Speaker 1: they had a surgery last night to make sure the
Speaker 1: wound was not getting infected in anything. So that's what happened.
Speaker 1: That's what happened. To h what happened to Alex Fifth
Speaker 1: He basically got infection in their acceptance. Yeah, terrible. And
Speaker 1: the Cowboys rallied to win that game, by the way,
Speaker 1: over the Giants thirty seven to thirty four. The Dolphins
Speaker 1: they're not very good. The Cowboys are the football games. No,
Speaker 1: their defense is terrible. Dolphins went out to San fran
Speaker 1: and knocked off Totin forty three to seventeen. What well,
Speaker 1: when Ryan Fitzpatrick gets hot, man, there's no stop at him.
Speaker 1: You know, when he gets hot, he is unbelievable. But
Speaker 1: he can get really cold. He was hot right from
Speaker 1: the start. Forty Niners are terrible. They're playing like fourth
Speaker 1: stringers in the second there it's they can't rush the
Speaker 1: pastor the bad defense right now. And Garoppolo was terrible.
Speaker 1: Are they gonna move on from Garopolo after the year.
Speaker 1: I don't know. They might. They might eat I mean,
Speaker 1: he was coming off an injury and he could see
Speaker 1: he wasn't fully. But they play the Rams Sunday night.
Speaker 1: That's you know, that's a survival test almost all now. Wow.
Speaker 1: And then the Seahawks rallied. Russell Wilson, your guy Pete
Speaker 1: had a big game and a big rally. Again that's
Speaker 1: not the story though. Would you have gone for it
Speaker 1: on fourth down or would you have kick to make
Speaker 1: it eight? I like that he went for you need inches.
Speaker 1: If you can't get inches, what are you doing? By
Speaker 1: the way, I sent out a screenshot on Twitter and
Speaker 1: from uh the run there is the now the fullback
Speaker 1: is the fullback lead, so he takes on the linebacker.
Speaker 1: But Tony, all he has to do is make one
Speaker 1: little bounce to the right and he walks in. He
Speaker 1: walks in. Yeah, I think I like that because, like,
Speaker 1: first of all, you're telling me you're gonna go bet
Speaker 1: on Russell Wilson not getting two point conversion? Right, Okay,
Speaker 1: it's like start, that's probably the thirty or something. But
Speaker 1: I to the kickoff here. You were running right through
Speaker 1: them the whole game. And by the way, that's right,
Speaker 1: and they have a terrible defense, and if you get
Speaker 1: an inch, you win the game. The percentages I think
Speaker 1: would tell you to go for it. If you want
Speaker 1: to go to this whole analytics book. I think the
Speaker 1: analystics they go for it because of the percentages. I
Speaker 1: was told to tell me, if you think if do
Speaker 1: you think that guy should have scored a touchdown. It's
Speaker 1: so hard. You take pictures and like it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's still he still should I was told there would
Speaker 1: be no math Monday night football. Justin Herbert is the
Speaker 1: man in l A for the one and three Los
Speaker 1: Angeles Chargers, and this week they'll head to New Orleans
Speaker 1: to face one of the all time greats and Drew
Speaker 1: Brees and the two and two Saints. No Michael Thomas,
Speaker 1: he sucked a teammate during practice this week. Who you
Speaker 1: got in the Superdome tonight? I'm taking the Saint. I
Speaker 1: think it's gonna be close. I think Herbert's gonna play well.
Speaker 1: By the way, good Ford Sean Payton, that must have
Speaker 1: been a nasty fight. Because you've got Tony, You've been
Speaker 1: around practice fights. Somebody must have punched he must Did
Speaker 1: it go the question I have? Did it go into
Speaker 1: the locker room afterwards? And that's where the punch happened?
Speaker 1: Because I'm gonna go the practice field. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I've been involved in the fights when I've been on teams.
Speaker 1: When the fight goes into the locker room and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, guys are gonna whack what team, Tony,
Speaker 1: what team? What team? Tell us more. I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna tell you more. Um, but it must
Speaker 1: have been bad because typically coaches don't suspend a guy
Speaker 1: for a fight on the practice fields. Gone, he must
Speaker 1: have been out of control. I'm gonna pick the sins too,
Speaker 1: but I think it's really close. I think my biggest
Speaker 1: concern about the charges no Joey Bosto, or at least
Speaker 1: it's questionable. I don't know if he's gonna play night.
Speaker 1: That's gonna hurt him. All right, See you next week, Tony.
Speaker 1: We'll talk to you, Pete Prisco, Tony Boselli. I'm j P. Shadrick.
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