WEBVTT - Jaguars Happy Hour: Monday, October 12 0:00:02.360 --> 0:00:08.360 It is Monday, October twelve. This is Jet Bars Happy Hour, 0:00:10.800 --> 0:00:13.600 Jack Wars Happy Hours, brought to you by Jet Home 0:00:13.680 --> 0:00:18.160 Loans and now full time radio host, part time place 0:00:18.239 --> 0:00:26.079 kicker J Negative. That's that is not not true. Welcome 0:00:26.079 --> 0:00:29.360 in Jaguars Happy Hour, presented by Jet Home Loans on 0:00:29.400 --> 0:00:33.720 this Monday, j P Shadrick, Pete Prisco, Tony Boselli coming up. 0:00:33.720 --> 0:00:36.920 Here's what's on the program today and a full review 0:00:36.920 --> 0:00:41.680 of the Jaguars Texans game yesterday at NRG Stadium thirty 0:00:41.800 --> 0:00:44.960 fourteen the final. The Texans get their first win of 0:00:45.000 --> 0:00:50.320 the year. The offense struggled yesterday, Yes they did. They 0:00:50.360 --> 0:00:52.360 were two or four in red zone and then that 0:00:52.400 --> 0:00:54.560 doesn't count another one where they reached the twenty one 0:00:54.640 --> 0:00:57.000 yard line and didn't come away with points. The defense 0:00:57.200 --> 0:00:59.720 played pretty well through three quarters and seemed to run 0:00:59.760 --> 0:01:01.760 out of gas and the fourth. We'll get to social 0:01:01.840 --> 0:01:04.840 questions in the second hour. We'll go around the National 0:01:04.920 --> 0:01:09.720 Football League UH Pete Tony for the Elias Sports Bureau. 0:01:09.800 --> 0:01:12.280 The Jaguars are the first team in NFL history to 0:01:12.319 --> 0:01:16.760 lose three consecutive games to winless teams, excluding the season opener. 0:01:17.360 --> 0:01:21.960 Happy Monday. How are we doing? Yeah, JP, I'm not 0:01:22.000 --> 0:01:28.360 sure that's really how I want to start the show. Um, well, reality, Well, 0:01:28.400 --> 0:01:30.760 I think it was when you fix your earpots. I 0:01:30.760 --> 0:01:33.520 mean they really bothered them. They stick out, like it's 0:01:33.600 --> 0:01:35.880 like the most annoying thing I'm gonna do. You want 0:01:35.880 --> 0:01:38.800 Menna do like you and dug my head like, yeah, 0:01:38.840 --> 0:01:40.959 at least he's done on this phone, Like somebody on 0:01:41.000 --> 0:01:46.600 this show so annoying. You're so annoying an individual. Sometimes. Yeah, 0:01:46.720 --> 0:01:49.040 not a great stat I think, you know the last 0:01:49.520 --> 0:01:51.640 you know, we've had backback years with bad stats. I 0:01:51.640 --> 0:01:53.440 think last year was like five games in a row 0:01:53.560 --> 0:01:57.120 like the worst you know, margin to the feed or 0:01:57.160 --> 0:02:00.480 something crazy like that. This year it's three trade teams 0:02:00.480 --> 0:02:03.680 getting their first win, not including the opening weekend, and 0:02:03.720 --> 0:02:07.160 so those are stats that you don't want, I mean 0:02:07.280 --> 0:02:09.600 as a franchise. And it's back to back years. And 0:02:09.639 --> 0:02:12.200 it was a bad game, you know. And it's not 0:02:12.240 --> 0:02:14.120 like the Houston Texas or a good football team. I mean, 0:02:14.120 --> 0:02:15.640 Pete and I said it all week and it was 0:02:15.680 --> 0:02:19.040 confirmed me watching tape and it was confirmed watching them 0:02:19.080 --> 0:02:20.600 on the field. That's that It's not like that's a 0:02:20.600 --> 0:02:24.639 great football team. You lost to by sixteen and and 0:02:24.720 --> 0:02:26.960 we'll talk about all of it today, but you know 0:02:27.040 --> 0:02:30.640 kind of the you know, the feeling that in the 0:02:30.680 --> 0:02:33.320 conversation I should say more around fans and talk radio 0:02:33.360 --> 0:02:34.800 and all of us is like, well, if they haven't 0:02:34.800 --> 0:02:36.480 done this, and they well, if they've done that, if 0:02:36.480 --> 0:02:39.040 they could have got this break, and I said it 0:02:39.080 --> 0:02:42.519 this morning, at some point that you gotta stop that talk, 0:02:42.600 --> 0:02:45.960 because that's really how losing teams talk. You know, winning teams. 0:02:46.200 --> 0:02:47.880 You know, teams that win week in a week out 0:02:47.880 --> 0:02:50.640 are fighting for the playoffs every year. It's not that 0:02:50.760 --> 0:02:52.960 the mantra isn't well, if we really just got done 0:02:52.960 --> 0:02:55.240 this or made this field goal, it didn't make this mistake, 0:02:55.320 --> 0:02:57.000 we would have won the game. At some point, you 0:02:57.000 --> 0:02:58.920 just gotta win the game. Pete, I mean, you gotta 0:02:58.960 --> 0:03:01.240 stop talking about all the things you need to do 0:03:01.280 --> 0:03:04.799 and just do it. Here's my advice to all Jaguar 0:03:04.880 --> 0:03:19.240 fans out there. Learn this. Cheer us Jets. I mean, seriously, 0:03:19.520 --> 0:03:21.880 you got to become a Jets fan. You know, if 0:03:21.919 --> 0:03:25.399 they win one or two, become a Jets fan. It's 0:03:25.440 --> 0:03:28.000 the easiest way and slops all your problems. Jets win 0:03:28.040 --> 0:03:29.840 a game or two and you don't win the get 0:03:30.040 --> 0:03:34.240 you get your Rember Lawrence? Simple, are we really gonna 0:03:34.320 --> 0:03:39.600 start the show therapy? I mean six next week? It's 0:03:39.640 --> 0:03:42.320 nineven week six, Yet we're just finished week five. We're 0:03:42.320 --> 0:03:44.800 in the beginning stage. I want to see all the 0:03:44.880 --> 0:03:51.520 tweets coming in today at the sli j E jets jets. 0:03:53.200 --> 0:03:58.040 Did you watch Lawrence Saturday night? Is so good? He 0:03:58.240 --> 0:04:01.480 is so good? Gosh, he's good. Um. I don't want 0:04:01.480 --> 0:04:04.240 to Trevor. If I took Trevor Lawrence and put them 0:04:04.240 --> 0:04:06.800 in this offense right now as is, they'd be explosive 0:04:06.840 --> 0:04:09.800 as health that is. I still think they need a 0:04:09.800 --> 0:04:11.840 pass catching tight end you can block or whatever to 0:04:11.880 --> 0:04:13.280 go with it. But the rest of those guys are 0:04:13.320 --> 0:04:16.280 good players. Offensive line is playing pretty good. Uh, the 0:04:16.360 --> 0:04:20.200 running back is really good. And sure they have to 0:04:20.200 --> 0:04:21.920 get involved with shoot outs because what's on the other 0:04:21.920 --> 0:04:27.559 side of the ball. But solves all your problems, well, 0:04:27.880 --> 0:04:29.680 I don't know if it solves all the problems, because 0:04:29.720 --> 0:04:35.479 you got we'll talk about defense later. Problems. I there's 0:04:35.520 --> 0:04:37.400 some problems on that side of the ball, and I 0:04:37.440 --> 0:04:39.600 don't want to go down to Trevor Lawrence. Thing number 0:04:39.600 --> 0:04:42.479 one there's a bunch of teams with no wins right now? 0:04:42.520 --> 0:04:45.680 I mean how I mean it's and I maybe it's 0:04:45.720 --> 0:04:47.440 like this every year, but you have a bunch of 0:04:47.480 --> 0:04:49.760 bad teams. I mean, the Jets are bad, the Giants, 0:04:49.760 --> 0:04:55.920 the Giants are bad, but they're bad. The Falcons are terrible. Um, 0:04:56.040 --> 0:04:59.359 what other? Is there one more winless team? That's Giants? 0:04:59.400 --> 0:05:03.720 Falcons are the three winless teams? Yeah, yeah, and so 0:05:03.800 --> 0:05:05.040 and then you got a bunch of teams with one 0:05:05.080 --> 0:05:14.760 wins Cincinnati, Houston, Jacksonville, Denver, the Chargers, Washington, Detroit, Minnesota, 0:05:15.520 --> 0:05:18.119 and those are the one win team. But that's between 0:05:18.720 --> 0:05:21.080 the difference between those teams that have won a game yet, 0:05:21.080 --> 0:05:23.080 as they all drafted a quarterback high in the first 0:05:23.160 --> 0:05:25.960 round and Matt Ryan's get up in the years, but 0:05:25.960 --> 0:05:27.839 he was a high first round pick. So was Jones. 0:05:27.880 --> 0:05:31.719 So is Donald. So that Donald and Jones? Have they done? 0:05:32.080 --> 0:05:34.279 You give up on them? Are they finished? Would you 0:05:34.320 --> 0:05:40.359 give up on those guys for that guy? Yeah? I 0:05:40.320 --> 0:05:42.359 think with two I'm and I'm a Donald. I mean 0:05:42.400 --> 0:05:45.120 that's he's a nice guy. I mean I still think 0:05:45.160 --> 0:05:48.440 Donald's bed. I think Jones could be good. I don't 0:05:48.440 --> 0:05:51.159 think it's almost unfair to evaluate those guys with what 0:05:51.200 --> 0:05:55.440 they have around them. The teams are so bad. Yeah, 0:05:56.240 --> 0:05:58.080 let's go back to the Jaguars. Yeah, let's get back 0:05:58.080 --> 0:06:00.240 to the Okay, we'll let back to the Jaguards. Look, 0:06:00.839 --> 0:06:04.480 I thought the defense competed a little bit. I thought offensively, 0:06:04.600 --> 0:06:06.320 I didn't like some of the play calls. I'll be 0:06:06.360 --> 0:06:08.960 honest with you. Um. I thought the offensive line did 0:06:09.000 --> 0:06:11.920 some good things. He had time to sitting there. Um, 0:06:11.960 --> 0:06:15.160 And the receivers are gonna be good players. I there 0:06:15.200 --> 0:06:18.680 were a little problem and the kicker, come on, get Maddie, 0:06:19.400 --> 0:06:26.080 you kidding me? Four yards? Four yard? And then he 0:06:26.080 --> 0:06:31.960 couldn't quite get to the gold. Yeah, it was. It 0:06:32.040 --> 0:06:36.080 was a bad day for mr. But guys, this has 0:06:36.120 --> 0:06:39.119 been this has been a really good red zone team 0:06:39.160 --> 0:06:40.800 this year. And they finally get to the red zone. 0:06:40.839 --> 0:06:43.279 They've been able to cash in a good amount. And 0:06:43.760 --> 0:06:45.080 two of the or two or four in the red 0:06:45.160 --> 0:06:49.520 zone yesterday and then the other one the line. Yeah, 0:06:49.680 --> 0:06:53.520 because that's the friende red zone. Yep. So they missed 0:06:53.520 --> 0:06:55.640 on three opportunities in the red zone or right around 0:06:55.640 --> 0:07:01.320 the red zone yesterday, which is not hated, its absolutely hated. 0:07:01.320 --> 0:07:03.320 It well. I think they had a missus signment on 0:07:03.320 --> 0:07:06.280 the chanal call because they do the swing past him 0:07:06.320 --> 0:07:09.520 and you have Keelan Cole blocking down like on the 0:07:09.600 --> 0:07:12.760 defensive end. Him and Cam are doubling the defensive end. 0:07:12.840 --> 0:07:15.760 So either Cam was supposed to pull out and lead 0:07:15.800 --> 0:07:18.240 the way or Celan Cole went the wrong way. I 0:07:18.280 --> 0:07:20.320 mean there was a blown assignment there. It was not 0:07:20.400 --> 0:07:22.280 even we were talking about on this swing pass to 0:07:22.360 --> 0:07:26.120 the left. I'll talking about the one where he took 0:07:26.160 --> 0:07:32.080 the hand off and that it probably should have been chanals. 0:07:32.280 --> 0:07:35.960 You can argue that that wasn't. Yeah, but I know 0:07:36.000 --> 0:07:37.640 the swing pass you're talking about, because there was about 0:07:37.680 --> 0:07:41.200 eight waiting they had like a missus signmon. Something was 0:07:41.280 --> 0:07:43.640 messed up there. It was not designed right. And if 0:07:43.640 --> 0:07:45.480 it was, if that's how it was designed, it's the 0:07:45.480 --> 0:07:48.640 worst design plays ever seen because you have guys, you know, 0:07:48.920 --> 0:07:51.600 going the wrong way. Um. They weren't good in the 0:07:51.600 --> 0:07:53.760 red I don't think they were good offensively. I didn't 0:07:53.800 --> 0:07:55.600 like the overall game plants. Thought they got away from 0:07:55.600 --> 0:07:57.960 the past game too too soon. I mean, here's my 0:07:58.000 --> 0:08:00.600 frustration in the last two you mean away from the 0:08:00.680 --> 0:08:04.440 run game. Yeah, I'm sorry, run game. Here's my frustration. 0:08:04.560 --> 0:08:06.320 Last two weeks you played in the thirty first ranked 0:08:06.640 --> 0:08:10.440 rush defensive the league and the thirty second Russian defense 0:08:10.480 --> 0:08:13.880 in the league, and you had early success and then 0:08:13.960 --> 0:08:17.120 just I mean, that's a game. In my opinion, I 0:08:17.120 --> 0:08:19.119 said it in the pre game. I'd give I handed 0:08:19.120 --> 0:08:21.680 off forty times. Number one, you have a defense that's 0:08:21.840 --> 0:08:24.640 you know, beat up and struggling when they're healthy. Shorten 0:08:24.720 --> 0:08:27.480 the game, run the ball. You have a good offensive 0:08:27.520 --> 0:08:29.560 lineman they stink or stopping the run. You have a 0:08:29.560 --> 0:08:32.000 good young back. I think you quarterback struggle a little 0:08:32.000 --> 0:08:35.040 bit right now, I don't you know. And if you 0:08:35.080 --> 0:08:37.079 look at the flat the straight numbers, you say, well, mint, 0:08:37.080 --> 0:08:39.439 who is putting up good numbers put over three yards again? 0:08:39.760 --> 0:08:43.640 The reality to me is he doesn't look comfortable in 0:08:43.640 --> 0:08:47.360 the pocket. Um. And unless the guy is like really 0:08:47.360 --> 0:08:49.960 wide open, it's not like he drives it into tight 0:08:50.000 --> 0:08:53.440 spaces and is throwing guys open. In this league, guys 0:08:53.440 --> 0:08:55.280 aren't gonna be wide open all the time. You gotta 0:08:55.280 --> 0:08:58.400 put it in small spots and and really Um helped 0:08:58.440 --> 0:09:00.840 them get open and put them where they can, you know, 0:09:00.920 --> 0:09:05.760 contest for and everything else. I just I don't think 0:09:05.760 --> 0:09:08.480 he's playing great football right now, and I don't even 0:09:09.040 --> 0:09:12.080 I think the offense is, you know, because of its sputters. 0:09:12.120 --> 0:09:14.080 And I don't understand why Dave Gruten is getting away 0:09:14.080 --> 0:09:15.480 from the run game so far. And I'm a big, 0:09:15.480 --> 0:09:18.000 big family Jake Gruten. I think he's a good offensive coordinator, 0:09:18.440 --> 0:09:21.640 and it's almost like he senses that he has on 0:09:21.720 --> 0:09:24.160 the other side of the defense is struggling, and so 0:09:24.280 --> 0:09:26.480 that anytime he gets behind it feels like we get 0:09:26.520 --> 0:09:28.360 to the past too soon. But yesterday was not the 0:09:28.360 --> 0:09:31.640 time to do it. Robins were Robinson's first two carries 0:09:31.679 --> 0:09:33.000 of the game, because I think they won one one 0:09:33.080 --> 0:09:38.640 for nine or something, first down eleven and then here's 0:09:38.679 --> 0:09:41.000 the thing. First play the game, he won eleven yards. 0:09:41.440 --> 0:09:46.880 Next three plays pass pass, pass off the field. Yeah 0:09:46.880 --> 0:09:49.000 he went, and he went for four yards and four 0:09:49.080 --> 0:09:51.640 yards on the next drive on first and second down, 0:09:52.000 --> 0:09:54.959 So yeah, he should be. He should have been carrying 0:09:54.960 --> 0:09:56.679 the ball more early in the game. Then he went 0:09:56.720 --> 0:09:59.200 for fourteen yards, so he went the next the next drive, 0:09:59.240 --> 0:10:03.200 he carried it three straight times and even on one 0:10:03.559 --> 0:10:06.040 in the second quarter where he looked like he had 0:10:06.080 --> 0:10:08.200 nothing and he kind of popped and ducked down low 0:10:08.240 --> 0:10:10.160 and got about six or seven yards on the sideline. 0:10:10.200 --> 0:10:12.560 Remember that run. What he had in the half. He 0:10:12.600 --> 0:10:14.200 had to have almost all those yards at the half. 0:10:15.800 --> 0:10:17.599 Three in the first half, five and a second and 0:10:17.720 --> 0:10:19.760 the second. Yeah, there is there's the graphic. I'm sorry, 0:10:19.880 --> 0:10:22.559 that's just terrible. I can't get away from it. In 0:10:22.600 --> 0:10:26.240 a close game like that. Yeah. Yeah. And of course, 0:10:26.679 --> 0:10:29.400 remember Doug Moron after the game and again today, said, hey, 0:10:29.480 --> 0:10:32.240 you know, with all these defensive injuries that we had, 0:10:32.559 --> 0:10:34.200 there was a feeling they had to push the ball 0:10:34.240 --> 0:10:37.040 down the field and try to score some points, a 0:10:37.040 --> 0:10:39.960 little more points on offense than they had before. Considering 0:10:41.280 --> 0:10:45.679 I don't buy it, he said, way this time I 0:10:45.720 --> 0:10:48.040 would tell Doug, if you sitting here, I disagree, because 0:10:48.040 --> 0:10:50.880 if you're going to play the worst defensive the worst, 0:10:50.960 --> 0:10:54.280 not the second worst, not the third worst. And and 0:10:54.440 --> 0:10:57.800 their middle linebacker was out yesterday too, yes, and one 0:10:57.800 --> 0:10:59.640 of the better players is gone. I mean, this is 0:10:59.679 --> 0:11:03.360 a ad rushed defense. The Vikings gashed them with a 0:11:03.480 --> 0:11:06.840 little offensive line, and you had this big offensive line 0:11:06.880 --> 0:11:10.000 physical like you gotta run the ball because you shorten 0:11:10.040 --> 0:11:13.280 the game, keep your defense on the sidelines. Keep Deshaun Watson, 0:11:13.320 --> 0:11:15.000 who by the way, is not playing very good football 0:11:15.000 --> 0:11:17.720 either in my opinion, keep him on the sideline and 0:11:17.920 --> 0:11:20.240 shorten the game and run the ball. Because here's the 0:11:20.280 --> 0:11:24.360 other thing that like, I would ask Doug and everyone else, 0:11:24.840 --> 0:11:27.319 you know how many points? What was the high point 0:11:27.360 --> 0:11:30.040 total of the of the Texas going into that game. 0:11:31.679 --> 0:11:34.240 It wasn't It wasn't many. It wasn't thirty. I'll say 0:11:34.280 --> 0:11:39.960 that it was. It was high point total three. This 0:11:40.000 --> 0:11:45.120 is not a good offense. And you watch a game 0:11:45.200 --> 0:11:50.800 last night, right, Yes, Vikings did when they went there 0:11:50.840 --> 0:11:54.319 because their defense thinks they controlled the ball. They ran 0:11:54.440 --> 0:11:57.040 the ball. They gashed them. They did it the week 0:11:57.080 --> 0:11:59.680 before against the Texans. You gotta you've got an ability 0:11:59.720 --> 0:12:01.440 to get roll the clock. Will you have a bad defense, 0:12:01.440 --> 0:12:04.559 you have to do it, you know. Now, that's a 0:12:04.679 --> 0:12:06.560 big plan. If you go there and you get followed 0:12:06.640 --> 0:12:08.640 up after a quarter and a half, then you got 0:12:08.640 --> 0:12:10.760 to amend it. But there were opportunities to run the 0:12:10.760 --> 0:12:13.400 ball yesterday. Do you know me, I'm a past first guy. 0:12:13.640 --> 0:12:16.640 I would have run that kid way more yesterday. He 0:12:16.720 --> 0:12:23.040 carries that you have in the first half, JP, Yes, 0:12:24.240 --> 0:12:27.800 I'm sorry eight of eight of his thirteen eight carries 0:12:27.800 --> 0:12:30.800 in the first half. That's not enough. But but even 0:12:30.840 --> 0:12:32.920 so to five and a second half, they weren't the 0:12:32.960 --> 0:12:35.640 game to get away from the I mean they were, 0:12:36.720 --> 0:12:38.920 it was it was ten seven and a half time. Now, 0:12:39.000 --> 0:12:42.760 remember two guys that the Texans had like a seven 0:12:42.800 --> 0:12:45.040 team play drive in the first half at one point, 0:12:45.040 --> 0:12:47.959 like seven and a half minutes. Also, so I don't 0:12:48.040 --> 0:12:52.640 care the same JP the time the time possession. The 0:12:52.679 --> 0:12:54.920 Jaguars had the advantage of the time of possession a 0:12:54.960 --> 0:12:57.800 half time. They've had more time on the field than 0:12:57.840 --> 0:13:01.960 the Texas, and so you have to run the ball. 0:13:02.120 --> 0:13:05.880 This is a bad defense you're playing, and you have 0:13:05.960 --> 0:13:08.440 a defense that's beat up and it's not playing well. 0:13:08.520 --> 0:13:10.160 And by the way, you're playing an offense in the 0:13:10.200 --> 0:13:13.199 texts that haven't scored points. It's like the perfect rescue. 0:13:13.480 --> 0:13:17.120 I was literally expecting this would be a handoff test, 0:13:17.360 --> 0:13:21.800 like like how many how many? I said, I said 0:13:21.840 --> 0:13:25.920 before the game. Minimum this is a rookie who has 0:13:26.000 --> 0:13:28.720 not had a heavy load of carries coming into the game, 0:13:29.080 --> 0:13:31.600 Like I would have been fine giving him thirty five, 0:13:31.760 --> 0:13:34.040 Like you just load them up and like we're riding 0:13:34.080 --> 0:13:36.960 you and then if if you get tired, were put 0:13:36.960 --> 0:13:38.360 in the backup whoever. I don't even know who the 0:13:38.360 --> 0:13:41.240 backup is because they don't play. Chris Thompson's your third 0:13:41.240 --> 0:13:43.120 down back. Who's the backup running back? I don't even 0:13:43.120 --> 0:13:45.120 know who it is. I covered the team. I couldn't 0:13:45.120 --> 0:13:50.439 even tell you who would be like the next I 0:13:50.480 --> 0:13:52.720 don't know. But this is where you find out. This 0:13:52.800 --> 0:13:55.640 is the game they gave up one. They gave up 0:13:55.920 --> 0:13:58.199 coming in this game a hundred any one point eight 0:13:58.280 --> 0:14:02.160 yards a game that was it was. It was a 0:14:02.200 --> 0:14:07.920 bad right, no doubt. In the first two drives, Robinson 0:14:08.000 --> 0:14:11.080 had five carries, right, and then on that drive after 0:14:11.120 --> 0:14:13.360 they kicked the field goal went up three. Nothing Houston 0:14:13.440 --> 0:14:15.559 did after that seven team play drive. It was early 0:14:15.600 --> 0:14:18.920 second quarter. He got a carry on first and tent 0:14:19.000 --> 0:14:21.160 after a completion of Chanale, he got to carry for 0:14:21.200 --> 0:14:24.240 no game. Then they passed the rest of that drive 0:14:24.280 --> 0:14:27.960 and twelve play touchdown drive to take the lead seven 0:14:28.000 --> 0:14:29.800 to three at that point. So a lot of the 0:14:29.840 --> 0:14:32.760 carries came early first quarter and then they kind of 0:14:32.760 --> 0:14:37.160 got away from it. I mean, and I'm sure Jay 0:14:37.240 --> 0:14:39.720 Gruden will I mean his argument to me, he was like, well, 0:14:39.800 --> 0:14:43.080 we the ball lemon straight times and score a touchdown, 0:14:43.240 --> 0:14:45.080 so we needed So I just don't think you can 0:14:45.120 --> 0:14:47.240 do that consistently. I mean, I don't think that the 0:14:47.320 --> 0:14:50.760 team's I mean, what did that? Wait did did the 0:14:50.800 --> 0:14:52.320 Texans come out in the second half and get a 0:14:52.360 --> 0:14:56.560 field goal? Right? Yes? Okay? So what was the drive? 0:14:56.760 --> 0:14:59.720 The drive after that drive? After that? Robinson right in 0:15:00.160 --> 0:15:04.400 minus four yards, Minshew's sacked for minus five Minshew's short 0:15:04.520 --> 0:15:07.320 right to Chris Thompson for fifteen yards and it's fourth 0:15:07.360 --> 0:15:11.640 and four and they punted, okay, and I actually get like, 0:15:11.680 --> 0:15:14.840 you lose. I mean, oh, Shaughnessy missed the block right 0:15:14.840 --> 0:15:19.160 there there run encounter, you know, uh, and he comes 0:15:19.160 --> 0:15:24.960 to you Norwell pins J J. Watt, he's got as soon. 0:15:25.120 --> 0:15:26.880 He's got to be right off the rear end of 0:15:26.920 --> 0:15:30.000 Norrawell because he picks up Zack Randolph and there's no 0:15:30.040 --> 0:15:32.440 one there and here we go. We're I mean, and 0:15:32.480 --> 0:15:35.240 he just that's okay, guys, miss blocks, I miss blocks everyone, 0:15:35.960 --> 0:15:39.240 And so I actually okay with um Jay throwing it 0:15:39.400 --> 0:15:41.600 on second and fourteen, I mean, now you're like, and 0:15:41.680 --> 0:15:43.920 he gets sacked, so that's fine. It was a bad drive. 0:15:44.400 --> 0:15:47.760 But even after that, you're still in the game. It 0:15:47.880 --> 0:15:50.400 was at that point it ends up being they didn't. 0:15:50.440 --> 0:15:52.880 It was did you go to twenty to seven at 0:15:52.920 --> 0:15:56.320 that point? JP? It was, yeah, thirteen seven at that point. 0:15:56.400 --> 0:15:59.400 Then yeah, I got to twenty to seven after that, yes, 0:15:59.520 --> 0:16:01.600 and yeah, then you're almost out of it, though, no 0:16:01.720 --> 0:16:04.720 you're not. Pete. The start of the fourth quarter, when 0:16:04.760 --> 0:16:07.400 did they scored him May seven? It was early fourth quarter, 0:16:07.440 --> 0:16:10.800 fourteen twenty four left, fourteen twenty four. You have plenty 0:16:10.800 --> 0:16:13.120 of time if you run the ball down the field 0:16:13.200 --> 0:16:15.480 and go score, take four or five minutes, and they 0:16:15.520 --> 0:16:18.840 did minutes left, and it's it's it's ten minutes, and 0:16:18.880 --> 0:16:22.240 they did. To your point, they got it within twenty fourteen, 0:16:22.240 --> 0:16:27.600 a ten play drive and it was ten eighteen to play. Yeah, yeah, 0:16:27.760 --> 0:16:31.280 they didn't exactly what you just said. My point is, Pete, 0:16:31.400 --> 0:16:33.800 you gotta run. How many droll rushers in the game 0:16:33.840 --> 0:16:36.400 that they have. I don't think they're you're playing the 0:16:36.440 --> 0:16:39.120 worst rush defense in the league. You gotta run the ball. 0:16:39.280 --> 0:16:42.840 All right, let's come back. We've got plenty ahead obviously 0:16:43.000 --> 0:16:45.680 with this on the offensive side. We've got a touch 0:16:45.680 --> 0:16:48.920 on the defense as well. Yes, Tony, Yes, listen. I 0:16:48.960 --> 0:16:52.120 think and I've been a big advocate Jay Gruden like. 0:16:52.200 --> 0:16:54.200 I think he's a good coordinator. I mean, I think 0:16:54.240 --> 0:16:57.000 he has approved tracker. We did Cincinnati, I was happy. 0:16:57.560 --> 0:16:59.920 I like him. I just did last two weeks when 0:17:00.080 --> 0:17:03.280 playing bad rusty defenses. You know, I get late in 0:17:03.320 --> 0:17:05.800 the fourth quarter in Cincinnati, you had the like abandoned 0:17:05.840 --> 0:17:07.320 it and you had to throw it. 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We can't go out there 0:21:12.960 --> 0:21:16.240 and you know, hope for a bad call, hope for 0:21:16.280 --> 0:21:20.400 them to penalize themselves. So I mean, we can gain 0:21:20.440 --> 0:21:23.479 a momentum. I definitely believe that I felt like, if 0:21:23.520 --> 0:21:26.800 we eliminate the explosives will be a whole better defense. 0:21:27.720 --> 0:21:30.359 That's Avrey Jones in the post game yesterday in Houston, 0:21:30.480 --> 0:21:33.440 Welcome Back Jaguars Happy Hour on this Monday, the aftermath 0:21:33.560 --> 0:21:36.560 of a thirty to fourteen loss for the Jaguars to 0:21:36.600 --> 0:21:39.720 the Houston Texans. J F Shadrick, Tony b Silly Pete 0:21:39.760 --> 0:21:42.720 Prisco the Jaguars. We'll get to the defense coming up. 0:21:42.760 --> 0:21:45.720 We'll circle back around to the offense. So uh well, 0:21:45.720 --> 0:21:48.240 we'll hear from Dug maron coming up on what happened 0:21:48.280 --> 0:21:50.360 on fourth and one as well a little bit later 0:21:50.440 --> 0:21:53.520 in the show. Um, But the Jaguars made a roster 0:21:53.680 --> 0:21:58.119 move just moments ago. Gentlemen involving the kicking position. Stephen 0:21:58.160 --> 0:22:02.400 Houska has been released. Harld Davis defensive lineman released as well. 0:22:02.840 --> 0:22:06.000 The Jackson promoted kicker John Brown from the practice squad 0:22:06.160 --> 0:22:09.520 and Karen Reid defensive lineman. Both of those guys are 0:22:09.560 --> 0:22:12.520 on the active roster. John Brown was with the Bengals 0:22:12.560 --> 0:22:14.800 and the forty Niners. He was undrafted as a kicker 0:22:14.840 --> 0:22:18.639 in He was a soccer player at Kentucky and then 0:22:18.680 --> 0:22:21.159 he transferred to Louisville and switched to football during his 0:22:21.280 --> 0:22:24.760 junior year. So he will now be the fifth kicker 0:22:24.800 --> 0:22:26.960 if he has kicking stats of this game Sunday, the 0:22:27.000 --> 0:22:29.680 fifth kicker in six weeks for the Jaguars, which will 0:22:29.680 --> 0:22:33.879 be a new franchise record for kickers used in a 0:22:34.040 --> 0:22:37.159 season for the Jacksonville Jaguars. The Jacks had four kickers 0:22:37.200 --> 0:22:39.960 back in two thousand two, the year after Mike Hollis 0:22:40.040 --> 0:22:43.200 p you know it might it might five and five 0:22:43.800 --> 0:22:48.200 what is it, five and six weeks might be in 0:22:48.280 --> 0:22:50.560 the NFL. I mean I was, I'm trying to figure 0:22:50.560 --> 0:22:53.120 out what the season record would be and I can't. 0:22:53.240 --> 0:22:56.080 You know, it's a deep dig, so it's got to 0:22:56.119 --> 0:22:59.640 be close, right, I mean as soon as six week 0:23:00.000 --> 0:23:02.560 two thousand and two they had four. It was a 0:23:02.600 --> 0:23:05.080 year after Hollis, so Hollis had left in free agency, 0:23:05.680 --> 0:23:07.639 and then they I don't know if there was injuries 0:23:07.720 --> 0:23:10.280 or what. I wasn't around then, but two thousand two 0:23:10.280 --> 0:23:13.959 they had four field goal kickers that season that had stats. 0:23:15.080 --> 0:23:20.600 Can you name of the selling Tony you're muted for today? 0:23:20.800 --> 0:23:25.080 I mean today we got two hours. Tony said this 0:23:25.320 --> 0:23:28.320 was the best three minutes of the show. Yet actually yeah, 0:23:28.359 --> 0:23:30.680 let's let's put that thing on mute all the time. 0:23:32.480 --> 0:23:35.479 So it's been a while since the Jags have had 0:23:35.520 --> 0:23:38.840 this many kickers. Actually, this will be a new new high. 0:23:40.320 --> 0:23:45.440 So anyway, you now your now your sound is even 0:23:45.480 --> 0:23:49.440 that high? What do you mean my sound isn't that high? Here? 0:23:49.480 --> 0:23:53.359 You perfectly you can't hear me? Is he a little fat? No? 0:23:53.560 --> 0:23:55.320 We got him clear. It's probably because you have one 0:23:55.320 --> 0:24:00.480 of earbudd in the by the way, but no, you 0:24:00.560 --> 0:24:07.560 don't have one the computer. What is going on? Hey, Pete? 0:24:07.640 --> 0:24:14.040 Why is like dealing with camera your like nose, mouth 0:24:14.200 --> 0:24:18.320 and shirt because it's on my laptop. You're close to 0:24:18.359 --> 0:24:21.720 the video, You're like, really, we can't even see above 0:24:21.800 --> 0:24:25.280 your eyes peint, Like, move your candy back, put your earbuds. 0:24:25.880 --> 0:24:27.800 What do you want to see this? What is that? 0:24:28.160 --> 0:24:32.080 I don't want to see? They're not even playing football 0:24:32.200 --> 0:24:34.359 right now? Why do we want to see? That? Will be? 0:24:34.480 --> 0:24:36.240 They will be playing football? And you know what, this 0:24:36.320 --> 0:24:38.280 is the year they're going to the National Championship. They're 0:24:38.280 --> 0:24:40.400 going to the Natty. They're gonna run through the pack 0:24:40.600 --> 0:24:43.919 twelve and get in. They're not going to beat usc. 0:24:46.080 --> 0:24:50.359 USC's a joke. I feel bad for you, all right? 0:24:50.440 --> 0:24:53.000 Can we the pack twelve is awful? Can we get 0:24:53.040 --> 0:24:56.439 back to the Jaguars please? Okay, he's just for the record, 0:24:57.240 --> 0:25:00.199 thank you. All right, we'll get the kickers coming up one. 0:25:00.400 --> 0:25:02.360 That was the breaking news a moment ago. The Jaguars 0:25:02.400 --> 0:25:04.879 anounced that. All right, let's also get back to the 0:25:04.960 --> 0:25:07.320 offense a little bit later, because that's a long conversation. 0:25:07.680 --> 0:25:09.480 Joe said, you were going to be the kicker, j P. 0:25:09.600 --> 0:25:12.000 Could your reach from forty could you wait? Would you 0:25:12.040 --> 0:25:14.280 have made a field goal from twenty four yard? Yes? 0:25:14.440 --> 0:25:18.840 Or no? Oh no, no, no, no, no, no. Kicking 0:25:18.960 --> 0:25:24.159 has never been my deal man, No way. Yeah, make it? 0:25:24.280 --> 0:25:28.040 If I had one of those uh Dempsey flat footed, 0:25:30.720 --> 0:25:34.760 a club foot, you gotta go kick at soccer style? 0:25:34.840 --> 0:25:38.360 Could you make it? No? No, I hit the long 0:25:38.400 --> 0:25:41.280 snapper and he wouldn't even make it to the holder. 0:25:41.600 --> 0:25:46.120 He would just he would fall down. One from twenty 0:25:46.160 --> 0:25:49.680 four yards is just embarrassing. I actually thought that. I 0:25:49.800 --> 0:25:52.119 thought that the fact that the forty nine yarder came 0:25:52.200 --> 0:25:56.560 up short was worse. Yeah you're right, Yeah, you're right. 0:25:56.800 --> 0:25:58.480 They were back to back to that made it even 0:25:58.560 --> 0:26:01.560 worse than them just by themselves. All right, let's touch 0:26:01.640 --> 0:26:04.920 on defense here, because going into the game yesterday, a 0:26:05.000 --> 0:26:07.639 bunch of starters out, I mean, Josh Allen didn't make 0:26:07.720 --> 0:26:10.000 the trip. C J Henderson was out with the shoulder, 0:26:10.080 --> 0:26:13.000 Miles Jack was inactive. So it's like, oh, here we go. 0:26:13.560 --> 0:26:16.919 Dakota Allen's getting the start at linebacker. You got Sydney 0:26:17.000 --> 0:26:19.800 Jones out there at corner who has bounced around a 0:26:19.840 --> 0:26:22.200 little bit in the league, and then Caleb and Chason 0:26:22.280 --> 0:26:24.800 is making his first career start at defensive end. And 0:26:24.840 --> 0:26:27.159 then Josh Jones gets run out of the game with 0:26:27.320 --> 0:26:30.920 an injection. But you know what, j don't forget about. 0:26:31.240 --> 0:26:33.520 I mean, I don't understand why no one's talking about 0:26:33.520 --> 0:26:39.919 this person. No nickel quarterback either, DJ Starter he goes 0:26:39.960 --> 0:26:42.080 out as well. So that's five if you want to 0:26:42.119 --> 0:26:48.080 get those guys either way. Veteran corner and was not available. 0:26:48.240 --> 0:26:50.080 So they're going into the game it's like, oh, this 0:26:50.200 --> 0:26:52.520 could be real trouble. But for the first three quarters, 0:26:52.560 --> 0:26:54.480 guys they held their own and played well. I had 0:26:54.480 --> 0:26:56.040 a couple of takeaways and I thought I thought they 0:26:56.080 --> 0:26:59.200 played pretty well early. Well. Tony's right though, that Texans 0:26:59.280 --> 0:27:04.399 offense isn't good. It's not that David Johnson looks like 0:27:04.440 --> 0:27:05.840 it takes him a week and a day to get 0:27:05.920 --> 0:27:08.080 to the hole, and when there's a hole, it takes 0:27:08.160 --> 0:27:09.600 him a week in a day to get through it. 0:27:09.800 --> 0:27:14.520 He's slow. Watts is not playing well. Those were bad decisions. 0:27:14.560 --> 0:27:19.399 He made bad decisions. I thought the receivers have speed. 0:27:19.480 --> 0:27:23.080 They're not bad, but they're not. They're little. They have 0:27:23.240 --> 0:27:25.720 little receivers, and they don't have a number one. They 0:27:25.760 --> 0:27:28.240 got a bunch of number twos and threes and and 0:27:28.400 --> 0:27:30.080 so it's not a good offense. What do you think 0:27:30.119 --> 0:27:32.680 of the offensive line? They have thought because the Tunsil 0:27:33.000 --> 0:27:36.359 makes a lot of money to play left tackle. He's okay, 0:27:36.440 --> 0:27:38.440 I mean he listen, he's in the upper echelon. But 0:27:38.560 --> 0:27:40.080 I mean, I don't know if I pay him points 0:27:40.080 --> 0:27:43.320 to million dollars a year for three years. Okay, you 0:27:43.400 --> 0:27:46.000 see that much better than Cam Robinson right now? Yesterday? No, No, 0:27:48.560 --> 0:27:51.159 I've actually think Kim's better in the run. Tunks a 0:27:51.280 --> 0:27:53.440 little bit better in the past. But that's not a 0:27:53.480 --> 0:27:57.240 good offense. And so yeah, there weren't playing and granted 0:27:57.320 --> 0:27:59.480 Jackson has had a bad defense and they were down 0:27:59.560 --> 0:28:03.159 well and we still we still didn't get pressures some 0:28:03.240 --> 0:28:05.920 pressure on him. None. It was better. I mean we 0:28:06.040 --> 0:28:08.000 blitzed better. We got home with the b and they 0:28:08.080 --> 0:28:11.720 flushed him. They flushed him. Part of it, yeah, but 0:28:11.800 --> 0:28:14.040 part of that JP is and Peter, I would love 0:28:14.080 --> 0:28:16.159 your perspective. I don't think Watson is very good in 0:28:16.200 --> 0:28:18.920 the pocket yere. He's all over the place. I don't 0:28:18.960 --> 0:28:21.000 think he is either. I've watched all his games and 0:28:21.160 --> 0:28:23.639 gone back and watched him. I think he's struggling. And 0:28:23.840 --> 0:28:25.159 when you look up at the end of the day, 0:28:25.480 --> 0:28:29.000 what were his numbers. His numbers were, we're bad, They're 0:28:29.000 --> 0:28:35.000 pretty good. With three touchdowns the two interceptions, Watson was 0:28:35.160 --> 0:28:39.080 twenty five thirty five passing for three fifty nine, three touchdowns, 0:28:39.160 --> 0:28:43.680 two picks, one nine. I know the picks were bad, 0:28:43.760 --> 0:28:46.560 but I mean that's on the paper, that's not it wasn't. 0:28:46.760 --> 0:28:50.160 That's it this way like min choose games at times, Tonty. 0:28:50.240 --> 0:28:53.760 It wasn't as good as the stats. Yeah, that's fair. 0:28:53.960 --> 0:28:56.280 I mean, I mean he made some Now, in fairness 0:28:56.360 --> 0:29:00.160 to Watson, he made some really pretty deep throws. Now, 0:29:00.240 --> 0:29:02.080 he missed a wide open David Johnson, but he made 0:29:02.160 --> 0:29:06.280 some pretty deep throws. Yeah, the one on the sideline 0:29:06.280 --> 0:29:09.240 when when he ran from the slot on claybro that 0:29:09.360 --> 0:29:12.760 was a great bro. Hey, how about some of these 0:29:13.160 --> 0:29:15.320 How about some of these guys that stepped in yesterday 0:29:15.400 --> 0:29:18.280 to start on defense. Sidney Jones was great. But Sidney 0:29:18.320 --> 0:29:20.240 Jones I thought, was he got an interception a couple 0:29:20.240 --> 0:29:23.120 of past breakups. I thought he was good. He's gotta 0:29:23.120 --> 0:29:24.720 be on the field. He's gotta be on the field 0:29:24.760 --> 0:29:28.000 no matter what. Pressed with. Another guy was impressed with. 0:29:28.120 --> 0:29:31.680 I thought d J. Hayden. I thought Trey Herndon, um 0:29:31.840 --> 0:29:34.040 like praise. Not the fastest guy, we know that, but 0:29:34.160 --> 0:29:36.720 he's a tough Sammy defender. And I thought he was 0:29:36.880 --> 0:29:39.120 physical in the run. He came up and made some 0:29:39.240 --> 0:29:41.959 tackles against David Johnson and the line of scrimmage from 0:29:41.960 --> 0:29:45.800 the nickel position. Really impressed with him. Um was good 0:29:45.840 --> 0:29:48.000 to see Daniel Thomas out there. He was throwing the action. 0:29:48.040 --> 0:29:53.320 I thought he was okay. Um Koda Ellen made a 0:29:53.320 --> 0:29:55.680 couple of plays. He was much better than he was 0:29:55.760 --> 0:29:58.040 the week before. After a week of preparation and getting 0:29:58.040 --> 0:30:00.840 a lot of reps, Tayson still was not making much 0:30:00.880 --> 0:30:04.040 of an impact. Um. He had a chance one shot 0:30:04.240 --> 0:30:06.480 on the stunt on the stunt on the stunt that 0:30:06.560 --> 0:30:10.480 he just missed him. But he's still learning, and you know, 0:30:10.600 --> 0:30:14.200 which is normal for young working defensive ends, especially since 0:30:14.240 --> 0:30:16.400 he was not it's a newer position for him. I 0:30:16.440 --> 0:30:19.680 contend that and JP, you watched more SEC football than 0:30:19.720 --> 0:30:23.360 any of us, But I don't remember Chase. I'm putting 0:30:23.400 --> 0:30:25.560 his hand on the ground a lot playing defensive end 0:30:25.600 --> 0:30:27.400 on first and second down for else. That's right. I 0:30:27.440 --> 0:30:30.040 mean we say that every week, but that's what he's 0:30:30.080 --> 0:30:32.800 doing now. It's true. Yeah, but it's hard. It's not 0:30:32.880 --> 0:30:37.160 an easy transition for you. I say, yes, even Brian 0:30:37.240 --> 0:30:40.520 made a play in the backfield tackle for loss. David 0:30:40.560 --> 0:30:47.040 made one. You're in the two laughing. You're the ones 0:30:47.160 --> 0:30:52.720 laughing three smiling JP. JP was chuckling, and you laughed. 0:30:52.920 --> 0:30:54.680 You smiled, You had a big sprint on your face. 0:30:54.720 --> 0:30:58.000 It was good, It was good, happy to be here. 0:30:58.920 --> 0:31:00.520 It was good for him. It is good for a 0:31:00.600 --> 0:31:02.800 table to get that play in the backfield. Three tackles, 0:31:02.840 --> 0:31:04.840 one for a loss. Also, Dwan Smooth had a day 0:31:04.880 --> 0:31:06.800 and Duck Bron said it's probably the best days had 0:31:07.240 --> 0:31:10.120 at least a couple of years on this team. Um, 0:31:10.440 --> 0:31:14.400 yesterday had two tackles, had a sack, three quarterback hits, 0:31:15.120 --> 0:31:17.480 which was a good good day at the office for 0:31:17.560 --> 0:31:21.280 Smooth yesterday. He's a good, rotational, try hard guy. That's 0:31:21.320 --> 0:31:24.360 what he is. Okay, But so I agree with that, 0:31:24.480 --> 0:31:25.800 and I thought you did have a good day. But 0:31:25.840 --> 0:31:27.920 guess what, that's where I think David Bryan is too, 0:31:27.960 --> 0:31:30.920 a good rotational, try hard guy, right and I think 0:31:30.960 --> 0:31:33.320 they've got a lot of those guys right now. Correct. 0:31:33.920 --> 0:31:36.160 I would agree that how did Hamilton's play in there, 0:31:36.280 --> 0:31:38.840 because I couldn't really focus in on him. Doesn't do much, 0:31:38.880 --> 0:31:41.040 does he. I mean, he's pretty good and he's a 0:31:41.120 --> 0:31:43.200 big body. He's getting better, but he does a pretty 0:31:43.200 --> 0:31:44.880 good job against Ron. He's not gonna give you much 0:31:44.920 --> 0:31:46.680 pass rush. I mean, he's a nose guard. He's the 0:31:46.720 --> 0:31:49.120 first and second down those guard. He's gonna be a 0:31:49.160 --> 0:31:51.040 pretty I think he's gonna be a pretty good down 0:31:51.120 --> 0:31:54.360 player though in the run. Actually yeah, as a person 0:31:54.440 --> 0:31:57.480 second down those guy. But he's not a dynamic pass rusher. 0:31:57.520 --> 0:32:00.880 I don't think he care no. Al Right, guys, let's 0:32:00.920 --> 0:32:05.560 come back. We'll get back into the offensive talk again. Yes, 0:32:05.680 --> 0:32:08.840 we will sure you want me to come back. 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Cheers 0:35:32.840 --> 0:35:36.920 eighty proof Tito's handmade Vodka, distilled and bottled in Austin, Texas. 0:35:37.040 --> 0:35:55.600 Tito's Vodka dot Com. We want to be able to 0:35:55.680 --> 0:35:58.440 push the ball down the field. We wanted to, um, 0:35:58.800 --> 0:36:00.520 you know, we thought we'd be able to you know, 0:36:00.680 --> 0:36:04.040 do a better job, you know, converting a lot of 0:36:04.080 --> 0:36:06.400 those things. I mean to go in there and you know, 0:36:06.520 --> 0:36:08.000 we felt like we were going to have to score, 0:36:08.360 --> 0:36:10.839 and we did it. And I think the game plan 0:36:10.960 --> 0:36:13.040 that we were trying to put together was, you know, 0:36:13.120 --> 0:36:15.360 to be aggressive and push the ball down the field 0:36:15.440 --> 0:36:18.479 and you know, score points. You know, we felt coming 0:36:18.520 --> 0:36:20.160 in with you know a lot of the you know, 0:36:20.280 --> 0:36:23.600 the defensive players out UM, you know, we thought we 0:36:23.640 --> 0:36:25.400 wanted to get a game plan where you know, we 0:36:25.440 --> 0:36:27.239 can score. And I mean that's that's as simple as 0:36:27.280 --> 0:36:30.719 it is I think you know that's that's what we 0:36:30.800 --> 0:36:34.000 were playing and we didn't execute it. That coach set 0:36:34.080 --> 0:36:37.480 Morone and Houston yesterday after the loss to the Texans 0:36:37.600 --> 0:36:40.200 thirty to fourteen, Welcome Back Jaguars Happy Hour, j P. 0:36:40.320 --> 0:36:44.399 Shaddrick Tony was Sully Pete Frisco your social questions coming 0:36:44.480 --> 0:36:47.040 up in the second hour of the show. So the 0:36:47.120 --> 0:36:49.040 offense there, there was the answer right there that we 0:36:49.239 --> 0:36:51.319 talked about earlier. That was the plan was to push 0:36:51.360 --> 0:36:54.160 it down. Gardner through the ball forty nine times in 0:36:54.200 --> 0:37:00.120 the game way too me. What's is it? What does 0:37:00.160 --> 0:37:03.120 he how many attempts does he have this season? Right 0:37:03.160 --> 0:37:06.799 now he has the fourth most attempts in the league, 0:37:07.640 --> 0:37:10.440 six and he's second in completions a hundred and thirty 0:37:10.520 --> 0:37:16.960 seven this year in the league started too much? And 0:37:17.040 --> 0:37:19.200 what's the stat? JP? I saw that like in the 0:37:19.280 --> 0:37:21.839 last five times or four times, or however many times 0:37:21.920 --> 0:37:24.440 or maybe his entire career that he throws for three 0:37:24.600 --> 0:37:30.200 yards though they lose, but that stack gets thrown around 0:37:30.239 --> 0:37:32.080 all the time in the NFL. Usually if you throw 0:37:32.160 --> 0:37:34.080 for over three hundred, not not anymore. But he used 0:37:34.120 --> 0:37:35.279 it used to be if he took for over three 0:37:35.320 --> 0:37:38.640 and yard you were trailing, but not anymore. That's not 0:37:39.040 --> 0:37:42.320 it's it's a different stat now. My point is, you know, 0:37:42.719 --> 0:37:46.440 that's why I just stats with quarterbacks there. You have 0:37:46.520 --> 0:37:48.480 to change your perspective. It's not like it used to be. 0:37:48.760 --> 0:37:50.080 I mean, you have to look at the whole thing. 0:37:50.160 --> 0:37:52.319 I mean, because if you start playing from behind these 0:37:52.360 --> 0:37:55.480 soft coverages and in all the open spaces, you better 0:37:55.520 --> 0:37:59.520 put some yards up. Yeah, it's it's more about the eyes, 0:37:59.680 --> 0:38:02.200 what I tell you, rather than the than the numbers. 0:38:02.280 --> 0:38:08.440 I mean, look, week one, three yard, it's an efficient week. 0:38:08.880 --> 0:38:10.920 It's a good week. But he didn't drive the ball 0:38:10.960 --> 0:38:16.600 down the field. Two was probably his best game. Yeah 0:38:16.640 --> 0:38:18.840 when they rallied back in the game. Yeah, yeah, that 0:38:18.960 --> 0:38:22.200 was probably his best game. But I mean, I I 0:38:22.360 --> 0:38:26.000 just I think Tony's right when he says he doesn't 0:38:26.080 --> 0:38:29.520 throw guys open. If you're wide open, he'll find him. 0:38:29.719 --> 0:38:31.680 And he's still not comfortable in the pocket. He's too 0:38:31.800 --> 0:38:37.680 jump in there. He gets out too soon. You have 0:38:37.760 --> 0:38:39.360 to have the confidence you have to get. You have 0:38:39.440 --> 0:38:41.279 to have the confidence to see it and then have 0:38:41.400 --> 0:38:43.560 the arm strengthen order the confidence your arm that you 0:38:43.640 --> 0:38:46.040 can just sit there and fired in that tight window. 0:38:46.120 --> 0:38:49.640 And I wonder, you know, especially because he gets It's 0:38:49.640 --> 0:38:52.880 almost like as the clock goes on, he starts moving 0:38:52.920 --> 0:38:54.960 around and his feet are unsettled. And we saw it 0:38:55.000 --> 0:38:57.160 early in the game. He actually missed a pretty open 0:38:57.840 --> 0:39:01.439 um Lebiscuits chernaut because he's like out of nowhere. He's 0:39:01.520 --> 0:39:03.839 climbing up, like running up the pocket and then trying 0:39:03.880 --> 0:39:06.239 to throw it on the move and the ball it 0:39:06.360 --> 0:39:10.560 sales on him. So um, And I know, people listen, 0:39:10.640 --> 0:39:13.880 I'm not trying to nitpick or pick on Gardner again. 0:39:14.760 --> 0:39:17.160 I want him to be the guy. The bottom line is, 0:39:17.400 --> 0:39:19.000 if you look at this team right now, you're one 0:39:19.040 --> 0:39:22.160 and four and you were struggling the last couple of 0:39:22.200 --> 0:39:25.320 weeks to score points when it matters. Now you're scoring 0:39:25.400 --> 0:39:28.600 points late, you're trying to come back, and you're doing stuff. Um, 0:39:29.239 --> 0:39:31.400 but if you look at and you're barely doing that. 0:39:31.600 --> 0:39:36.279 The Dolphins, you scored thirteen points, against the Bengals, you 0:39:36.360 --> 0:39:42.320 scored what was but all very late. And against the Texans, 0:39:42.360 --> 0:39:45.920 who are terrible defensively, he scored fourteen. And this is 0:39:45.960 --> 0:39:48.680 gonna league whatever. This isn't a league where everyone score points, 0:39:49.000 --> 0:39:52.880 all right, So let's ask the question. We asked the 0:39:52.960 --> 0:39:59.920 question guy, and I said, we have sixteen weeks to 0:40:00.000 --> 0:40:02.880 make that decision, or seventeen weeks with the bye. I like, 0:40:03.000 --> 0:40:05.440 you know, in seventeen weeks, here's another one. All right, Pete, 0:40:05.600 --> 0:40:09.120 can he get better from this? You know we're gonna 0:40:09.120 --> 0:40:11.680 ask that every week? Yeah, well you asked it every week. 0:40:11.760 --> 0:40:15.719 You asked the other one every week. The difference what 0:40:15.920 --> 0:40:18.439 you are what you are usually that's all I'm gonna say. 0:40:18.520 --> 0:40:21.359 I mean, he is what is time out? Though, I'm 0:40:21.400 --> 0:40:25.840 gonna call you on that because two years ago Josh 0:40:25.960 --> 0:40:30.000 Allen was awful. A year ago, at this time, he 0:40:30.239 --> 0:40:34.120 was below average and looked like, oh my gosh, he 0:40:34.280 --> 0:40:36.440 can't see it. He can't stay in the pocket. He 0:40:36.560 --> 0:40:40.840 runs at first opportunity. He's inaccurate, get a big ar, 0:40:40.880 --> 0:40:44.319 but inaccurate, and he slowly got better throughout last year. 0:40:45.840 --> 0:40:52.600 Tell him, tell him, tell him the year. In the playoffs, 0:40:52.840 --> 0:40:56.479 there was still the question they didn't win because Josh 0:40:56.560 --> 0:40:59.000 Allen wasn't ready for them to win a playoff game. 0:40:59.239 --> 0:41:01.800 Then he comes out this year and the dude is 0:41:01.960 --> 0:41:08.239 dealing and the dudes like, MVP. You don't tell me Pete, 0:41:08.400 --> 0:41:11.040 you are what you are because you're a quote unquote 0:41:13.800 --> 0:41:17.200 and what was he when he came out? He was 0:41:17.320 --> 0:41:22.759 a six ft five for a normal is athletic you knew, 0:41:23.080 --> 0:41:24.520 you knew it would just take a little bit of 0:41:24.600 --> 0:41:28.279 footwork and he would be fine. No, that's but Pete, 0:41:28.360 --> 0:41:31.440 that's not fair because no one else, like there's the 0:41:31.560 --> 0:41:34.120 majority of people were not on that side about Josh Allen. 0:41:34.160 --> 0:41:37.520 They thought he was gonna another one. He's gonna play tonight. 0:41:37.640 --> 0:41:39.200 Justin Herbert when he came out of Oregon to a 0:41:39.280 --> 0:41:42.560 lot of people thought he's gonna have issues. Correct, Yeah, 0:41:42.600 --> 0:41:45.319 I like him watching him because I mean, now, if 0:41:45.360 --> 0:41:48.440 you're telling me now a better comment from you that 0:41:48.480 --> 0:41:51.240 would make sense outside of what you just said being dumb. 0:41:51.680 --> 0:41:54.920 But you can't get better? Is this like there's certain 0:41:55.000 --> 0:41:57.919 traits that if you have, then you have more room 0:41:58.000 --> 0:42:00.759 to grow as a quarterback. Like you see what is 0:42:00.800 --> 0:42:03.440 this ceil about? Let me finish, Let me finish. Justin Herbert, 0:42:03.440 --> 0:42:07.920 I'll use him. Six four athletic and has a rocket 0:42:08.000 --> 0:42:12.080 for an arm. Maybe some questions about decision making in college? 0:42:12.560 --> 0:42:14.680 Is he accurate enough? Well, he's come out in the 0:42:14.760 --> 0:42:17.000 pros and yeah, Can you get better in the pocket? 0:42:17.040 --> 0:42:20.080 Can he make better decisions? Absolutely? But he's accurate, he 0:42:20.320 --> 0:42:23.960 has a gun, he's big, and he's fast. And so 0:42:24.719 --> 0:42:27.200 if your point is like there's certain characteristics that you 0:42:27.320 --> 0:42:30.440 either have or you don't, I agree with that. But 0:42:30.560 --> 0:42:33.480 to say a guy kick it better, I tell what 0:42:33.680 --> 0:42:37.080 I'm saying is there's a ceiling. He can get better, 0:42:37.520 --> 0:42:39.839 but he ain't going over the ceiling. Where's a guy 0:42:39.920 --> 0:42:42.880 like Josh Allen could get better and that ceiling is 0:42:43.120 --> 0:42:46.120 way higher and we're seeing it now. Same with Herbert. 0:42:46.120 --> 0:42:50.080 That's not what you said, Pete, you said, don't get better? Okay, 0:42:50.360 --> 0:42:54.320 you know what I meant. Last year has meant you 0:42:54.440 --> 0:42:58.400 better than he was last year? Yes? Is he? I 0:42:58.480 --> 0:43:00.080 don't know how much better is he than he his 0:43:00.160 --> 0:43:01.839 last year? That's a good question. I like that. That's 0:43:02.040 --> 0:43:04.120 not a not a lot better, but he's better. I 0:43:04.160 --> 0:43:11.120 think he's better. That's interesting moments. I think so. But Okay, 0:43:11.600 --> 0:43:15.719 if Justin Herbert goes the same level of better that 0:43:16.080 --> 0:43:20.200 that minds you goes to, who's gonna be a better quarterback? Well? 0:43:20.239 --> 0:43:22.680 I mean, I mean, there are certain traits that Justin 0:43:22.760 --> 0:43:28.000 Herbert have that you are what you are, But you 0:43:28.080 --> 0:43:29.960 have to define that, Pete, because if you said that 0:43:30.040 --> 0:43:33.040 same thing with Drew Brees. And I hate doing this 0:43:33.120 --> 0:43:35.800 because Drew Brees is a little bit of an anomaly. 0:43:36.239 --> 0:43:38.920 I mean, there's not a lot of guys like but 0:43:39.040 --> 0:43:42.399 he got better year after year. Every year he got better. 0:43:42.760 --> 0:43:44.440 And it's not like he has a rocket for a 0:43:44.560 --> 0:43:48.320 right arm. It's not like he's six five. Wasn't he 0:43:48.719 --> 0:43:51.120 like a second round pick though? It wasn't like he 0:43:51.280 --> 0:43:54.320 was deep down the draft like I agree with you. 0:43:54.800 --> 0:43:56.480 I mean, j P, that's a good point. That's a 0:43:56.560 --> 0:43:58.720 big time player coming out of the big t Okay, 0:43:58.960 --> 0:44:01.800 al right, get a compared to Drew Brees, does he 0:44:01.920 --> 0:44:03.920 have the does Gardner means you have the same arm 0:44:04.000 --> 0:44:13.160 Drew Brees has. No, I can't disagree, okay to him, No, 0:44:13.360 --> 0:44:16.839 I'm not. I'm just saying, but my comparison to Drew Brees, Okay, 0:44:17.040 --> 0:44:20.120 I'll compare him to Russell Wilson, a third rounder. Again, 0:44:20.239 --> 0:44:22.960 I'm not saying he has the physical traits. Excuse me 0:44:23.000 --> 0:44:26.080 as far as arm strength is that Russell Wilson. But 0:44:26.320 --> 0:44:29.560 my contention with you is making the comment he can't 0:44:29.560 --> 0:44:33.040 get better? Can he can get Okay, let me take 0:44:33.080 --> 0:44:36.040 that comment back. He can get better, but his better 0:44:36.239 --> 0:44:39.640 getting better isn't going to be high enough to make 0:44:39.719 --> 0:44:42.719 him the long term answer. That's all say. And I'm 0:44:42.760 --> 0:44:45.000 not sure I agree with you. I know you're strong 0:44:45.080 --> 0:44:47.239 in that. I'm leaning towards that way. By the way, 0:44:47.400 --> 0:44:51.240 I know you're strong. If you just said in fairness, 0:44:51.360 --> 0:44:53.640 in fairness, you would have said the exact same thing 0:44:53.680 --> 0:44:59.680 about Russell Wilson five years ago. Uh. Probably not. Oh, 0:44:59.800 --> 0:45:02.480 you're so full of it. You were the most anti 0:45:03.520 --> 0:45:06.399 I was in the world. I just said I thought 0:45:06.440 --> 0:45:08.080 he was I thought he was decent. I didn't think 0:45:08.080 --> 0:45:10.560 he was a superstar early in those years, and you 0:45:10.680 --> 0:45:14.960 never thought he wouldn't be. He's a superstar is remember 0:45:15.239 --> 0:45:23.719 he is, he's mobile, he has a big arm um 0:45:24.719 --> 0:45:29.320 true or false, And he has a big arm you compared. 0:45:29.920 --> 0:45:32.880 And he's accurate, and he like is a student of 0:45:32.920 --> 0:45:36.120 the game. And he's competitive, you said, Pete. And I 0:45:36.160 --> 0:45:39.120 will hope I will find somebody who has articles you 0:45:39.280 --> 0:45:42.439 were so you said, Russell Wilson is just a guy. 0:45:42.880 --> 0:45:45.160 He only wins because of the defense. He only were 0:45:45.239 --> 0:45:48.440 it wins because of the stuff around him. He's not earlier. 0:45:48.920 --> 0:45:52.320 Your quote, No, your quote was he's not a franchise quarterback, 0:45:52.719 --> 0:45:55.040 and it's a basic only what you said. Hold on 0:45:55.239 --> 0:45:57.319 based on you saying and if you use the same 0:45:57.400 --> 0:46:00.719 thing you just said about gardiament Show, then Russell just 0:46:01.160 --> 0:46:03.440 is who he is. He can't get any better, and 0:46:03.600 --> 0:46:06.440 I don't buy that. Well, he first off, he had 0:46:06.480 --> 0:46:09.680 the scoring defense, led the league in scoring four straight years. 0:46:09.760 --> 0:46:13.279 Pretty easy to play quarterback with that guy, know, And 0:46:13.360 --> 0:46:16.480 now he's better. I give you that the best in 0:46:16.560 --> 0:46:20.799 the nflpare him to. He's not the best in the NFL, 0:46:20.800 --> 0:46:23.360 but you're gonna compare him to. You're gonna compare. So 0:46:23.480 --> 0:46:25.800 you just compare gardnerments. You're getting better than Drew Brees 0:46:25.800 --> 0:46:30.799 and Russell Wills. Quarterback issues are solved. You know you're 0:46:30.840 --> 0:46:33.120 missing the point. Pete J. P helped me here. I'm saying, 0:46:33.400 --> 0:46:36.000 it's unfair to say a guy can't get better. Now 0:46:36.400 --> 0:46:39.040 you want to you did say that. If you want 0:46:39.080 --> 0:46:42.560 to say, because of his arm strength and his size, 0:46:42.920 --> 0:46:46.879 there's limitations how good he can be, that's fair. That's fair. 0:46:47.280 --> 0:46:51.880 That is a fair comment. What is the ceiling? I 0:46:51.920 --> 0:46:57.640 don't know what that is? Is it? Ryan Fit it 0:46:57.760 --> 0:47:00.440 is it is? It is it? Uh? It's fat? Is 0:47:00.520 --> 0:47:06.680 it a guy like the Jets quarterback Um darn Darnald? No, 0:47:06.840 --> 0:47:09.919 the weak arm, No, the weak arm Chad Pennington. Chat. 0:47:12.480 --> 0:47:14.320 I don't think he's gonna be as good as chat Pennington. 0:47:14.360 --> 0:47:16.560 All right, let's take a time out and think about it. 0:47:16.719 --> 0:47:19.120 We'll come back. 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So, um, you know, 0:51:39.640 --> 0:51:41.440 you work on something during the week, you feel comfortable 0:51:41.440 --> 0:51:42.840 about it, you know when you're gonna call it in 0:51:43.200 --> 0:51:47.200 that situation, and we just didn't execute it. So to 0:51:47.239 --> 0:51:48.799 ask your question, if if I had to go back 0:51:48.840 --> 0:51:50.560 and know when it wasn't gonna work, would I would? 0:51:50.560 --> 0:51:54.520 I would rather run something else, Obviously I would. That's 0:51:54.560 --> 0:51:56.920 like we're on discussing that fourth in one play with 0:51:57.200 --> 0:52:00.319 the direct snap to James Robinson and he fumbled before 0:52:00.400 --> 0:52:03.160 the past attempt and welcome back to Jaguar's Happy Hour. 0:52:03.280 --> 0:52:07.280 J P. Shadrick, Pete Prisco, Tony Boselli for the record, Pete, 0:52:07.640 --> 0:52:13.320 you gave the Seahawks draft a C plus. That was 0:52:13.400 --> 0:52:18.200 a draft that had Bruce Servants and Russell Wilson draft 0:52:20.360 --> 0:52:24.919 go back on the first one. I met. My reason 0:52:25.000 --> 0:52:27.799 and for giving them that great was they signed Matt 0:52:27.840 --> 0:52:30.240 Flynn to a big contract and then drafted Russell Wilson. 0:52:30.360 --> 0:52:32.640 So you get to give him a bad grade for 0:52:32.719 --> 0:52:35.040 one or the other. Right, Yeah, give him the bad 0:52:35.040 --> 0:52:37.640 grade for Matt one because it was an A plus 0:52:38.080 --> 0:52:40.840 on Russell world was not only the draft was loaded 0:52:40.880 --> 0:52:43.160 to go read that draft. Bruce Evans is a good player. 0:52:43.160 --> 0:52:48.520 Who else Bruce servant, Bobby Wagner, Russell Wilson gave a 0:52:48.640 --> 0:52:56.880 C C plus plus, Robert Turban, J Howard J Howard 0:52:56.920 --> 0:53:01.480 defensive tackle, linebacker Corey Tumor, corner act Jeremy Lane, safety, 0:53:01.560 --> 0:53:05.440 Winston Guy we know him, offensive guard Jr. Sweezy and 0:53:05.520 --> 0:53:09.520 defensive end Greg Scruggs. It was a great is an 0:53:09.560 --> 0:53:13.080 A plus raft? But you know, just like, just like, 0:53:13.960 --> 0:53:15.960 just like he blew it on the last segment, I'll say, 0:53:16.040 --> 0:53:19.719 yeah that you went and regraded this in and gave 0:53:19.760 --> 0:53:23.000 it an A plus. So wait, way to go hindsight, pet, 0:53:23.280 --> 0:53:25.279 I know, but no. See what I do is I 0:53:25.400 --> 0:53:28.319 go back and admit my mistakes. Unlike most people, they 0:53:28.400 --> 0:53:31.279 let theirs just sit there. I admit my mistakes. I'll 0:53:31.320 --> 0:53:33.879 write them out every year. I go back three years 0:53:34.120 --> 0:53:36.600 to the draft and go back and look at my stupidity, 0:53:37.120 --> 0:53:40.160 how I made mistakes, but more than that, how the 0:53:40.280 --> 0:53:44.439 team made mistakes. So can you can you like that's 0:53:44.440 --> 0:53:47.080 a good exercise that shows humility and self awareness to 0:53:47.200 --> 0:53:49.000 make sure you call out when you're an idiot, which 0:53:49.040 --> 0:53:52.480 could be often. Can you do that with the last segment. No, 0:53:53.480 --> 0:53:55.960 because you know what I meant. You took something when 0:53:56.000 --> 0:53:58.560 you perfect You know you agree with me, you just 0:53:58.640 --> 0:54:01.399 don't want to say it. No, I don't. I think 0:54:01.400 --> 0:54:04.719 he I think he can get better. Okay, well, I 0:54:04.800 --> 0:54:09.320 mean get better. How like? How give me? Give me 0:54:09.440 --> 0:54:13.800 the level of getting better that he's growing for yards 0:54:13.800 --> 0:54:17.279 the game and and staying in the pocket longer. What's better? 0:54:17.400 --> 0:54:19.480 I think? I think I think he can recognize defense 0:54:19.560 --> 0:54:22.759 is better. I think he can anticipate his defense is 0:54:22.840 --> 0:54:24.799 very well. Then, no, I think you can get better. 0:54:24.920 --> 0:54:26.680 I think you can anticipate better. I think he can 0:54:26.719 --> 0:54:28.840 be better in the pocket, keeping his eyes down field. 0:54:29.080 --> 0:54:31.359 I think all those things. Okay, I think he can 0:54:31.400 --> 0:54:34.560 get I think he has gotten a little better anticipating, 0:54:34.680 --> 0:54:36.719 even though he's not great at it. I think he's 0:54:36.760 --> 0:54:39.160 gotten better at things in the pocket, even though he's 0:54:39.160 --> 0:54:41.360 not great at it. But I don't think all that 0:54:41.680 --> 0:54:43.920 will ever take him to a point where he's the 0:54:44.000 --> 0:54:46.640 guy and that Okay, that's a fair point. Now I 0:54:46.719 --> 0:54:48.960 can't argue that, and I'm not even sure I disagree 0:54:49.000 --> 0:54:50.480 with you at this point. I want to. I want to. 0:54:50.480 --> 0:54:52.640 I want to see more so that if you would 0:54:52.680 --> 0:54:54.440 have gone with that last segment, Pete, I would say, 0:54:54.440 --> 0:54:56.960 you know what, that's fair because there's gonna be limitations 0:54:57.040 --> 0:55:00.920 on He's never gonna grow. Um, he's not gonna I mean, 0:55:01.080 --> 0:55:04.320 how much could his arms strength increase? Which is the 0:55:04.400 --> 0:55:06.640 difference when you use Josh Allen as the analogy. You 0:55:06.719 --> 0:55:09.680 can't use Josh Allen, I'm not. My analogy was the 0:55:09.719 --> 0:55:14.000 fact that he got better, but he had the ability 0:55:14.040 --> 0:55:16.840 to and the tools to get not much better, whereas 0:55:16.880 --> 0:55:19.040 we don't know that. We don't see that with men show. 0:55:19.320 --> 0:55:21.440 And the question is is what it is? The ceiling 0:55:22.280 --> 0:55:25.520 are the things that are limited limited gardenments? You will 0:55:25.560 --> 0:55:27.279 they make the ceiling too low for him to be 0:55:27.360 --> 0:55:29.719 a Francise quarterback. And everyone likes to go back to 0:55:29.800 --> 0:55:32.080 the Patriots picking Tom Brady in the in the fifth 0:55:32.280 --> 0:55:34.239 in the sixth round and now is one of the 0:55:34.280 --> 0:55:37.319 all time greatest quarterbacks. Ever, it's an anomaly. Number one, 0:55:37.400 --> 0:55:40.520 it doesn't happen very often. Number two, tom Brady had 0:55:40.560 --> 0:55:44.520 a strong arm. Brady is six four or six five. However, 0:55:44.600 --> 0:55:48.800 taally is tom Brady was not a great athlete, right so, 0:55:49.280 --> 0:55:51.920 and he couldn't run very well. He's never run very well, 0:55:52.160 --> 0:55:56.160 but what Tom Brady proved he was was great, super 0:55:56.239 --> 0:55:59.040 smart rate to recognize the defense is and is one 0:55:59.040 --> 0:56:01.239 of the best pocket pass there's a buying time in 0:56:01.320 --> 0:56:05.160 the pocket in the history of the game. His his 0:56:05.360 --> 0:56:09.400 limiting factors of athletic ability, especially in the air that 0:56:09.520 --> 0:56:12.640 he became great, which is we're not big enough to 0:56:12.680 --> 0:56:14.560 stop him. He still had a high ceiling and he 0:56:14.640 --> 0:56:17.400 proved that out and that people missed it in the draft. Well, 0:56:17.480 --> 0:56:19.000 it's one of the great missus that all you gotta 0:56:19.040 --> 0:56:21.880 do is go back and day it. 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Keep putting that same effort forward and 1:00:27.920 --> 1:00:32.640 address his issues. Gardner Minshew after the game yesterday in Houston, 1:00:32.680 --> 1:00:35.800 Welcome back second hour of Jaguars Happy Hour on this Monday, 1:00:36.120 --> 1:00:38.840 after a thirty to fourteen loss to the Texans. Fifth 1:00:38.880 --> 1:00:40.880 in a row that the Jags have lost to Houston, 1:00:41.400 --> 1:00:44.080 fourth of a row the Jags have lost this season. 1:00:44.320 --> 1:00:48.439 J P, Shadrick, Pete Prisco, Tony BROSSELLI glad you're along 1:00:48.480 --> 1:00:52.360 with us. Big stories. Well yes, before we get before 1:00:52.360 --> 1:00:54.720 we getting a big story. Sorry, I wanna cut you off, 1:00:55.240 --> 1:00:58.520 um min. She said something. I want to give Dougs 1:00:58.560 --> 1:01:01.320 some credit because I mean, you know, question calls and 1:01:01.560 --> 1:01:03.000 you know we didn't like the call to go on 1:01:03.240 --> 1:01:06.000 and we're questioning. You know, Jay Gruden is getting away 1:01:06.000 --> 1:01:07.520 from the run game and everything else. But this is 1:01:07.560 --> 1:01:09.320 the one thing that Doug and his coaching staff has 1:01:09.360 --> 1:01:12.040 done a great job with. The one thing you can't 1:01:12.120 --> 1:01:14.440 question is how hard these guys play. I mean, it 1:01:14.640 --> 1:01:16.959 is a group that plays hard from the first snap 1:01:17.240 --> 1:01:20.520 the last step. And you know what that is a 1:01:20.600 --> 1:01:23.120 reflection of Doug Rown and his coaching staff. They have 1:01:23.200 --> 1:01:25.120 a lot of young players. It is not easy to 1:01:25.200 --> 1:01:28.160 coach this many rookies and second year players, and especially 1:01:28.200 --> 1:01:30.760 with the offseason these guys had and trying to install 1:01:30.880 --> 1:01:32.960 and get things in there, and the fact that they 1:01:33.000 --> 1:01:35.280 have come out and that they and I know one, 1:01:35.440 --> 1:01:37.000 no one wants to hear this as fans, and I 1:01:37.080 --> 1:01:38.960 get it. It's about winning. You're losing and being one 1:01:39.000 --> 1:01:42.600 of four stinks. It's awful, and losing the way we've 1:01:42.640 --> 1:01:44.560 lost a few last few weeks is no fun and 1:01:44.640 --> 1:01:47.960 it stinks. But these guys, you can't question the effort 1:01:48.160 --> 1:01:50.360 in the preparation and the hard work these guys are 1:01:50.360 --> 1:01:53.600 putting in. They're young, they're inexperience, and they're inconsistent, and 1:01:53.640 --> 1:01:55.160 that's why you've seen a lot of these issues. And 1:01:55.200 --> 1:01:59.800 they don't seem like they get and there they don't. 1:02:00.080 --> 1:02:02.520 Nobody likes losing. But back in the day when when 1:02:02.520 --> 1:02:05.000 I covered you guys, and you guys lost your babies 1:02:05.040 --> 1:02:08.920 about it. Half the team. I mean, seriously, it's in 1:02:09.040 --> 1:02:10.560 one game and you go in the locker room and 1:02:10.600 --> 1:02:12.960 they'd start screaming at you and yelling at you. And getting. 1:02:13.320 --> 1:02:17.400 I mean, you would agree that it's different, Tony, Well, 1:02:17.480 --> 1:02:19.680 this is now we don't know either because we're not 1:02:19.720 --> 1:02:24.280 in the locker room. Pete. That's true, but I mean, 1:02:24.360 --> 1:02:27.360 but it doesn't seem like this is the teammate. And 1:02:27.640 --> 1:02:29.920 granted it's a lot of young players. I get it, 1:02:30.400 --> 1:02:32.200 but even that team, when Tony was on the team, 1:02:32.200 --> 1:02:34.840 they had young players. When they'd lose, it was like 1:02:34.960 --> 1:02:36.480 you'd go in the locker room and it would be 1:02:36.600 --> 1:02:40.080 like it was nasty almost at times. And I don't 1:02:40.080 --> 1:02:43.320 know why that was. Maybe it was me, but I was. 1:02:43.760 --> 1:02:47.760 All signs point to that, yes, probably, but Tony knows 1:02:47.800 --> 1:02:49.840 what I'm talking about. It was different. It was like 1:02:50.000 --> 1:02:53.600 an it was an anger after lost this and when 1:02:53.760 --> 1:02:58.240 what team you talking about? Nineties? Even the team to take, 1:02:58.280 --> 1:03:03.120 I'll take the team which was bad that team too. Yeah, 1:03:03.200 --> 1:03:05.320 we were not I mean I was not pleasant to 1:03:05.360 --> 1:03:08.960 be around if we lost. Oh but you were. You 1:03:09.080 --> 1:03:11.960 were not pleasant, but you stood up and you answered 1:03:12.000 --> 1:03:16.720 the questions and you were never totally disrespectful. There were times, 1:03:18.080 --> 1:03:19.640 I mean, you and I have talked about this on 1:03:19.680 --> 1:03:21.480 the show. A number of times. I was in a 1:03:21.560 --> 1:03:25.120 bad mood and I might be a little bit uh cranky, 1:03:25.280 --> 1:03:28.960 short or cranky and pushed back. But I always knew 1:03:29.000 --> 1:03:30.280 that you guys had a job to do, and I 1:03:30.400 --> 1:03:32.560 respected the job the media had to do. That it 1:03:32.640 --> 1:03:34.560 was part of the process, and that win or lose, 1:03:34.600 --> 1:03:36.560 you have to stand up and take your medicine. And 1:03:36.840 --> 1:03:39.400 you know, and you know, you always knew in the 1:03:39.440 --> 1:03:40.640 back of your head that you were going to be 1:03:40.680 --> 1:03:45.520 a member of the media. I can honestly say that 1:03:45.760 --> 1:03:47.200 is not true. It's gonna need the Hall of Fame 1:03:47.320 --> 1:03:53.600 votes that some day. So yeah, that Tony knows what 1:03:53.680 --> 1:03:56.600 I'm talking about. Tony knows exactly what I'm talking about. 1:03:57.240 --> 1:03:59.280 It's just and I don't get and that's that's not 1:03:59.360 --> 1:04:00.920 a bad thing. By the way, It doesn't mean they 1:04:01.000 --> 1:04:03.600 care any less, just that they they seem to be 1:04:04.640 --> 1:04:06.560 guys that want to go out and play hard, work 1:04:06.640 --> 1:04:10.080 hard if you lose. It's not getting ugly, which I 1:04:10.200 --> 1:04:12.160 think is. And I'm gonna go back to the flipping 1:04:12.160 --> 1:04:15.720 of the culture because the last team you had problems 1:04:15.760 --> 1:04:18.840 with some of those guys. There were some guys that 1:04:18.880 --> 1:04:22.920 were nasty and the culture wasn't great. So I think 1:04:23.080 --> 1:04:25.720 that's a good thing. And now and I here's the 1:04:25.720 --> 1:04:28.040 flip of the flip side of that peak. The test 1:04:28.160 --> 1:04:30.919 is coming that if you keep on rolling off loss 1:04:30.960 --> 1:04:34.680 after loss after loss. Let me know, it'll be interesting 1:04:34.720 --> 1:04:37.680 to see how Doug manages his young team if they 1:04:37.680 --> 1:04:40.720 can't get a win this week against Detroit Um, which 1:04:40.800 --> 1:04:42.400 is not a really very very good team, but they 1:04:42.400 --> 1:04:45.040 have a very good quarterback and they are fighting for 1:04:45.960 --> 1:04:49.720 a coaching staff, fighting for their jobs. Um. I guess 1:04:49.760 --> 1:04:52.520 similar to Jacksonville. If you lose this one and then 1:04:52.520 --> 1:04:54.920 you gotta go to l A and you're one and 1:04:55.000 --> 1:04:58.240 six going into that bye week, it'll be interesting. Yeah. 1:04:58.800 --> 1:05:00.600 But I just don't get this that this is a 1:05:00.640 --> 1:05:02.680 group made up of guys that are going to get nasty. 1:05:03.080 --> 1:05:04.760 I mean, if you just think about it, they don't 1:05:04.800 --> 1:05:06.800 see him. Somebody I heard on the radio the other day. 1:05:06.800 --> 1:05:08.400 I was listening to Jacksonville radio the other day and 1:05:08.440 --> 1:05:11.280 I and and somebody said that Minshew was a little 1:05:11.400 --> 1:05:14.040 short with his answers last week. Is that true? JP 1:05:14.800 --> 1:05:19.080 in Cincinnati? No, during the week last week, because he 1:05:19.240 --> 1:05:21.040 seems like he's always the guy that comes up and 1:05:21.120 --> 1:05:23.880 answer the questions. He's you know, I don't I didn't 1:05:24.000 --> 1:05:27.040 really see that honestly, he's he answers a question, he 1:05:27.160 --> 1:05:29.080 kind of gives you a quote or two that that 1:05:29.120 --> 1:05:32.080 will be a money quote, but then he doesn't give 1:05:32.080 --> 1:05:34.040 you a lot either. You know, he'll say some things 1:05:34.120 --> 1:05:37.720 without saying anything. But he seems like a guy that 1:05:39.480 --> 1:05:42.240 eat at his core, So he might get tired of 1:05:42.360 --> 1:05:45.000 answering the same questions we can. But I don't think 1:05:45.080 --> 1:05:46.959 he's I think he's the same way you talked about 1:05:47.000 --> 1:05:49.440 Tony though. I think he understands why he has to 1:05:49.520 --> 1:05:52.680 be there. Yeah, yeah, I heard he's great with the media. Again, 1:05:52.840 --> 1:05:55.320 I understand that, but I just heard that. I don't 1:05:55.320 --> 1:05:56.760 know who said it. Maybe it was one of the 1:05:56.840 --> 1:05:58.720 guys on Franjie show or heyes, or one of those 1:05:58.720 --> 1:06:01.800 guys said it, and it was I'll say this too, 1:06:02.120 --> 1:06:04.280 knowing the competitor that he is, and I don't know 1:06:04.440 --> 1:06:06.960 him well, len't mind you, but knowing being around the 1:06:07.040 --> 1:06:10.200 building a little bit, and I wouldn't be surprised at 1:06:10.240 --> 1:06:12.439 all if he's upset with the way things are going 1:06:12.600 --> 1:06:15.000 right now, and maybe it does bleed a little bit. 1:06:16.720 --> 1:06:21.760 That's so I'm with you, guys. I would be angry too, 1:06:22.000 --> 1:06:24.560 But I didn't notice it let's put it that way. 1:06:24.600 --> 1:06:27.000 And if you heard that, maybe somebody what I heard 1:06:27.040 --> 1:06:28.760 on the radio. I don't. I don't live there anymore. 1:06:28.800 --> 1:06:31.040 I'm not that locker room, not around the team every day. Yeah, 1:06:31.280 --> 1:06:34.480 but neither is anybody. But I don't think. Yeah, I 1:06:34.520 --> 1:06:37.880 would be more upset if he wasn't upset about what's 1:06:37.880 --> 1:06:39.840 going on right now. And I think he wants to 1:06:39.920 --> 1:06:42.480 go win games and be a great quarterback, So why 1:06:42.480 --> 1:06:44.680 wouldn't he be a little bit maybe had a little 1:06:44.680 --> 1:06:47.240 bit of attitude? Okay, fine. It would be frustrating to 1:06:47.320 --> 1:06:50.360 be a media guy covering the team nowadays because the 1:06:50.440 --> 1:06:52.680 way everything is, you can't really cover him. You're not 1:06:52.800 --> 1:06:55.320 covering him. So weird man not being in there. It 1:06:55.440 --> 1:06:58.600 really is. Yeah, I mean, you got no relationships, you 1:06:58.720 --> 1:07:02.000 got no gossip, know who you know what I mean, 1:07:02.080 --> 1:07:03.760 it's it. It'd be tough to cover with the tea 1:07:04.280 --> 1:07:07.360 if I was the beat guy, and nowadays, in this year, 1:07:07.560 --> 1:07:09.400 I would have a hard time with it. I'd be 1:07:09.720 --> 1:07:14.040 calling guys on the phone, and you gotta be able 1:07:14.080 --> 1:07:17.080 to communicate, like I don't know the rookie class, I 1:07:17.160 --> 1:07:22.600 don't know those guys drift Like what right? What kind 1:07:22.600 --> 1:07:25.440 of guy is James Robinson, Like I've seen him on 1:07:25.480 --> 1:07:27.560 the conference calls. I'm sure he's a nice he seems 1:07:27.560 --> 1:07:29.680 like a nice guy, and he's playing well, and but 1:07:29.760 --> 1:07:31.880 it'd be nice to just have a ten minute conversation 1:07:31.960 --> 1:07:34.480 with him. I don't know if i'd know what any 1:07:34.560 --> 1:07:36.640 of these guys look like if I saw him on 1:07:36.680 --> 1:07:42.080 the street, right, I mean, it's it's just like you 1:07:42.200 --> 1:07:44.800 never We're never around him. Like when Fred was out 1:07:44.840 --> 1:07:46.560 of his rookie yeard. I remember going to his locker 1:07:46.640 --> 1:07:48.320 and sitting there talking to him, and he said he 1:07:48.360 --> 1:07:53.360 could rush for two thousand. I had a headline and 1:07:53.480 --> 1:07:56.920 he could have yeah, and he could scored a lot 1:07:56.960 --> 1:08:00.680 of touchdowns if Tom didn't take him out either. Don't 1:08:00.720 --> 1:08:06.840 say that, believe me. Yeah. Let's get to some of 1:08:06.920 --> 1:08:10.560 the headlines of the day, of course, the offense struggling 1:08:10.600 --> 1:08:13.720 in key moments. Yesterday in Houston, there were three times 1:08:13.760 --> 1:08:16.519 inside the twenty five yard line that they came away 1:08:16.640 --> 1:08:20.040 with zero points, and one of those that they got 1:08:20.080 --> 1:08:21.600 to the twenty one at the deepest point and then 1:08:21.640 --> 1:08:23.679 had a holding call and missed a forty nine yard 1:08:23.800 --> 1:08:26.080 field goal. They were down inside the tenant one point 1:08:26.760 --> 1:08:29.439 had a fourth and one came away without points. Did 1:08:29.520 --> 1:08:31.800 they bail on the run tune soon? That's a talking 1:08:31.880 --> 1:08:35.799 point today, Gardner though, as we've talked about this show already, 1:08:36.680 --> 1:08:39.200 he's throwing at forty nine times a game. That maybe 1:08:39.240 --> 1:08:41.400 a bit too many, especially when a lot of that 1:08:41.479 --> 1:08:44.479 game was a one score game a lot of the time. Yesterday, 1:08:44.560 --> 1:08:48.400 defense though, did their best considering the the starters that 1:08:48.479 --> 1:08:52.080 were out of the football game. Four sharters missed yesterday 1:08:52.200 --> 1:08:55.479 and another was kicked out ejected from the game, but 1:08:55.960 --> 1:08:58.760 got away from that group of guys on defense in 1:08:58.840 --> 1:09:02.200 the fourth quarter. Either way, it's a fourth straight loss 1:09:02.920 --> 1:09:04.519 and the third straight loss to a team that I 1:09:04.600 --> 1:09:07.800 don't want a game yet, Let's stay, let's stay at 1:09:07.840 --> 1:09:09.559 the defense be it. I'd like to beat your perspective 1:09:09.560 --> 1:09:12.760 and this defense get better this year? Or is this 1:09:12.840 --> 1:09:15.040 an off season problem? Maybe Jeff and I have talked 1:09:15.080 --> 1:09:17.640 about it quite a bit. You think this is an 1:09:17.680 --> 1:09:19.680 off season issue that you can't address still, then it 1:09:19.840 --> 1:09:21.160 is what it is, and that they're gonna give a 1:09:21.240 --> 1:09:23.280 bunch of points every week. Or can they get better? 1:09:24.680 --> 1:09:27.760 M uh, they have a chance to get a little 1:09:27.800 --> 1:09:30.080 bit better, But I don't think it's gonna be significantly better. 1:09:30.280 --> 1:09:34.839 I think they lack power players inside to push the pocket. 1:09:35.080 --> 1:09:40.479 They lack corners who well, let's let me correct myself, 1:09:40.520 --> 1:09:44.439 because I think Henderson and Herndon and maybe if Sidney 1:09:44.479 --> 1:09:46.720 Jones starts playing, you had it's the group, isn't that 1:09:47.200 --> 1:09:50.240 isn't awful? What do you think about the safety spot? 1:09:50.280 --> 1:09:52.719 I mean, you got Wilson back, he made a play yesterday. 1:09:53.800 --> 1:09:57.880 Josh Jones is a really good He's really good, really 1:09:57.920 --> 1:10:02.200 good at the run. Not a good coverage guy. I mean, 1:10:02.240 --> 1:10:05.160 I wouldn't mean to be fair. I can't remember him 1:10:05.160 --> 1:10:10.080 being a liability coverage though. Yeah maybe, but um, but 1:10:10.720 --> 1:10:12.760 if you get Wilson back and you've got a good group, 1:10:12.840 --> 1:10:14.720 that's not a bad group. But again, if all goes 1:10:14.760 --> 1:10:16.479 back Tony, you know what this league is all about, 1:10:16.840 --> 1:10:19.560 passers and pass rushers. If you have a pastor in 1:10:19.600 --> 1:10:22.240 the pass rusher and pass rushers, you should be good. 1:10:23.120 --> 1:10:25.080 So I'll say this, I think I think they can 1:10:25.160 --> 1:10:27.080 get better. I think there's a ceiling how good they 1:10:27.080 --> 1:10:28.600 can be. But the only way they're getting better is 1:10:28.600 --> 1:10:30.479 than Miles Jack is healthy the rest of the year 1:10:30.920 --> 1:10:35.000 and Josh Allen um finds his group as a pass rusher. 1:10:35.120 --> 1:10:38.360 That's on the chance out closed with those guys to playing. 1:10:38.400 --> 1:10:40.920 I know Alan wasn't close, but how it sounded like 1:10:41.080 --> 1:10:44.160 Jack was close at one point. I think the word 1:10:44.200 --> 1:10:46.360 I heard of the press conference today JP. Correct me 1:10:46.360 --> 1:10:49.559 if I'm wrong that Doug Rowne felt good about everyone 1:10:49.680 --> 1:10:53.960 being back this week or injury wise, except for Andrew 1:10:54.000 --> 1:10:59.400 wingerd and Josh Lambeau. Correct. Yeah, Lambeo was going to 1:10:59.520 --> 1:11:01.800 be until they switched the schedule around, and he had 1:11:01.840 --> 1:11:05.080 a chance right after that original by, but now it's 1:11:05.080 --> 1:11:07.439 going to be after the new by. But yeah, Wingered 1:11:07.520 --> 1:11:10.840 is out for a little bit. Sounds like abdominal issue. 1:11:11.520 --> 1:11:13.400 But the other guys they said they see about Josh 1:11:13.439 --> 1:11:16.839 Allen on Wednesday. Didn't have anything really definitive today on Alan. 1:11:16.880 --> 1:11:18.840 But we'll see on Wednesday when they all come back 1:11:18.880 --> 1:11:21.680 to practice. So Allen didn't make it, so he was 1:11:21.760 --> 1:11:24.599 done to begin with. Yeah, I think they can get 1:11:24.680 --> 1:11:27.880 better like Allan's I'm still a big believer in Josh Allen. 1:11:27.880 --> 1:11:32.080 I think he's a really good player, so um and Miles. 1:11:32.160 --> 1:11:34.280 Jack is the best player in the football team right now. 1:11:34.520 --> 1:11:36.760 He gets back healthy. That's gonna help him. And I 1:11:36.880 --> 1:11:39.719 do believe that table On Chason can get better throughout 1:11:39.760 --> 1:11:41.479 the year and he'll get more comfortable rush in the 1:11:41.520 --> 1:11:43.840 pastor and the position these Playingcuse I do think he's 1:11:43.840 --> 1:11:47.040 a good athlete and he has some physical gifts that 1:11:47.120 --> 1:11:49.400 can help. But I see him getting better throughout the year. 1:11:49.439 --> 1:11:51.200 So I think they can't get better because I think 1:11:51.200 --> 1:11:53.479 the rushed the pastor. You know, they'll be improved as 1:11:53.520 --> 1:11:56.760 the year goes on. Yeah, I would agree with you. 1:11:56.800 --> 1:11:58.280 I think they can get better. I just don't know 1:11:58.360 --> 1:12:04.280 how much better. And I gotta get down interior guys pocket. 1:12:04.439 --> 1:12:06.880 That's what they need. They need down interior guys who 1:12:06.920 --> 1:12:09.720 can push the pocket. And that's an offseason deal. Man. 1:12:09.800 --> 1:12:12.040 You can't do that right now. Hard to do that 1:12:12.160 --> 1:12:14.519 right now. I mean, they're promoting guys in the practice squad, 1:12:14.600 --> 1:12:16.800 but you can't go outside the building and just find those. 1:12:19.040 --> 1:12:21.479 I mean, and in the last four games all Austins 1:12:21.520 --> 1:12:27.160 they've given up over I mean they have three. I mean, 1:12:27.200 --> 1:12:29.519 that's just that's hard to win football games when you're 1:12:29.520 --> 1:12:33.479 giving with that many points. They're not. It's a league 1:12:33.520 --> 1:12:35.400 full of bad defenses and they're one of the worst 1:12:35.600 --> 1:12:38.120 let's be honest about it. You said last week they're 1:12:38.120 --> 1:12:42.160 the worst. Pete, Yeah, they might be, so you said 1:12:42.200 --> 1:12:46.599 they were. I'm just now you're backing on. I'm trying 1:12:46.640 --> 1:12:49.320 to I'm trying to be nicer this week. You're a 1:12:49.360 --> 1:12:52.720 little harsh last week, I'll say they're the worst. They're 1:12:52.720 --> 1:12:55.400 the worst defense in the league. I mean, Pete like 1:12:55.520 --> 1:12:59.160 he's extremes. You can't get better. This ceiling is this 1:13:00.200 --> 1:13:04.680 is what is? Are they the worst team in the league? Defense? No? 1:13:05.439 --> 1:13:11.000 Who is? Um? I was gonna say the Bengals probably 1:13:12.640 --> 1:13:15.160 they got what Geno ackages on the field. They don't 1:13:15.200 --> 1:13:19.879 have the Jets. The Jets are terrible on the defense. 1:13:20.200 --> 1:13:22.679 They're bad, They're they're probably the Jets and the Jaguars 1:13:22.720 --> 1:13:26.559 are probably two of the worst. They're two worst. Trying 1:13:26.560 --> 1:13:29.600 to think who else is really bad? The Falcons are 1:13:29.600 --> 1:13:37.559 pretty close. Everybody don't give them mhm alright, let's let's 1:13:37.600 --> 1:13:43.519 get back to defense too. You know, they're on pace 1:13:43.600 --> 1:13:45.160 to give it the most yards in the history of 1:13:45.200 --> 1:13:48.640 the NFL, right now, the defense and they're five and 1:13:48.720 --> 1:13:51.960 oh what about the Miami Dolphins scored more points at 1:13:52.600 --> 1:13:55.840 that stadium in Santa clar contin any other team ever 1:13:56.040 --> 1:13:58.960 going in there. Think about that. It's crazy. It's amazing, 1:13:59.080 --> 1:14:01.120 really is Hey, let's come back in a moment and 1:14:01.560 --> 1:14:07.760 social questions. 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Shadrick with Pete 1:17:19.400 --> 1:17:24.280 Prisco in South Florida and Tony Boselli somewhere Where are 1:17:24.360 --> 1:17:29.439 you today? Tony? I'm okay. Oh you're at the beach, 1:17:29.520 --> 1:17:31.439 all right? Good? Couldn't tell. I couldn't tell from that 1:17:31.760 --> 1:17:34.919 vantage point if you're watching on Jaguars Facebook or Jaguars 1:17:34.960 --> 1:17:38.759 dot Com at this time. Now for social media questions, 1:17:38.800 --> 1:17:41.320 we put the bat signal out early in the day 1:17:42.160 --> 1:17:45.920 and here's what we've come up with today. Question number 1:17:45.960 --> 1:17:51.679 one at Samuel Underscore of Underscore Duval, what's the worst 1:17:51.800 --> 1:18:00.160 mistake we made this past offseason? A good one. I'll 1:18:00.200 --> 1:18:04.040 let you go first. I gotta think about that. Stumped. Wow, 1:18:04.520 --> 1:18:11.640 what a question. The worst mistake? Um? Wow? This was 1:18:11.920 --> 1:18:17.360 this one guy keep its status quoe. Yeah. I mean 1:18:19.040 --> 1:18:22.000 some would say, you know, Klaus, right, Klaus letting some 1:18:22.120 --> 1:18:25.160 of those kind of guys go. No, the bigger most 1:18:25.160 --> 1:18:27.720 people would say the biggest mistake was keeping it status quo. 1:18:28.200 --> 1:18:34.559 Let's be honest, coaching staff and GM is what you mean, correct. 1:18:35.800 --> 1:18:38.320 I could argue getting to the point where it was 1:18:38.400 --> 1:18:41.759 so toxic that one of your best young defensive players 1:18:41.920 --> 1:18:44.160 and Goway didn't want to stay on the roster and 1:18:44.520 --> 1:18:46.599 was willing to go pay play for what six million 1:18:46.640 --> 1:18:49.200 dollars less or seven million dollars left, whatever it was 1:18:49.960 --> 1:18:52.720 in um Minnesota instead of signing a deal with you. 1:18:53.000 --> 1:18:56.679 Because the bottom line is, and we can argue whether 1:18:56.720 --> 1:18:58.960 in Goquay was worth the money he was asking for, 1:18:59.160 --> 1:19:01.439 which I would say many millions too much for Gockway. 1:19:02.240 --> 1:19:03.960 But at the same time, if you figure out how 1:19:04.000 --> 1:19:06.320 to get a deal done within Gockway, you use that 1:19:06.439 --> 1:19:09.280 first rounder on probably someone else in Cable, on Chase, 1:19:09.400 --> 1:19:11.920 on Dad, you know, to some issues you have another 1:19:12.040 --> 1:19:15.240 parts of the roster possibly um. And so I think 1:19:15.280 --> 1:19:18.000 it's it's it's always bad to get rid of guys 1:19:18.040 --> 1:19:21.200 who love football and are good players. Um that you 1:19:21.320 --> 1:19:23.000 drat that you found in the third round. I would 1:19:23.000 --> 1:19:25.280 say that, And I get why they had to. It 1:19:25.400 --> 1:19:28.479 was too much water in the bridge. And if and 1:19:28.760 --> 1:19:31.400 not being a part of those negotiations, if Dave Caldwell 1:19:31.479 --> 1:19:33.439 and the Jaguars organization told us that he was not 1:19:33.560 --> 1:19:37.960 signing for anything under twenty million, then um, that would 1:19:38.000 --> 1:19:40.760 make then maybe it's not as big as a mistake. Um. 1:19:42.080 --> 1:19:44.559 I mean outside of that getting bad luck of signing 1:19:44.680 --> 1:19:47.720 defensive interior defensive linement. One you had a bad heart 1:19:48.240 --> 1:19:50.920 and another one who decided to op out. You know, 1:19:51.200 --> 1:19:53.120 is that a bad decision or bad luck? It's just 1:19:53.240 --> 1:19:55.680 bad all the way around. It's tough to place that 1:19:56.400 --> 1:19:59.720 on um Dave and Doug. Um, you didn't know al 1:19:59.800 --> 1:20:02.040 would just gonna opt out. You know, this pandemic was 1:20:02.080 --> 1:20:04.560 gonna be what it is. I still don't understand the 1:20:04.840 --> 1:20:10.000 process of the pre physical um of Gunter before you 1:20:10.080 --> 1:20:12.479 signed it as a free agent. Why the issue wasn't 1:20:12.479 --> 1:20:16.000 caught beforehand? Um, you know, so not knowing enough about that, 1:20:16.040 --> 1:20:18.519 I'm not going to comment, but that's probably more bad 1:20:18.640 --> 1:20:20.439 luck than bad decision. And then I think a lot 1:20:20.479 --> 1:20:22.559 of people would probably agree with a lot of people 1:20:22.600 --> 1:20:26.320 would say the base mistake was is not making a change. Okay, 1:20:26.400 --> 1:20:29.040 I'm gonna ask you this, Tony. You said if they 1:20:29.080 --> 1:20:32.880 had signed in gock Way, they wouldn't drafted Calevan Chason. Correct, 1:20:33.240 --> 1:20:36.080 you wouldn't need them, You wouldn't need them. Okay, Okay, 1:20:36.439 --> 1:20:38.920 let's go through the back end after Chason was picked, 1:20:38.920 --> 1:20:40.519 and you tell me which guy you would want on 1:20:40.560 --> 1:20:43.080 the roster in place of him, just that you know, 1:20:44.800 --> 1:20:48.880 Jalen Reagor I'm gonna who that is the place wide 1:20:48.920 --> 1:20:53.800 receiver for the Eagles, justin Jefferson. He's really good. But 1:20:53.960 --> 1:20:56.439 you do have to Chennault in the second. That's fine, 1:20:56.720 --> 1:21:03.920 but just really good. Okay, Yeah, he's very Kenneth Murray, 1:21:03.960 --> 1:21:07.360 the linebacker been a linebacker for the Chargers. He's not 1:21:07.439 --> 1:21:10.720 really good. Great, he's good, But okay, you would have 1:21:10.760 --> 1:21:14.000 probably you've already already signed, so you're not gonna pick 1:21:14.080 --> 1:21:22.720 up uh who you're going to get it out? Uh 1:21:23.040 --> 1:21:29.719 Jordan's Love No, no, uh Jordan Brooks, No Patrick Queen, 1:21:30.479 --> 1:21:36.040 But you're already signed Shoberaiah Wilson the right tackle. No, No, 1:21:36.320 --> 1:21:40.240 ig Manogady, No Jeff Gladney. You'd already drafted the corner. 1:21:40.240 --> 1:21:42.920 You're gonna draft another one in the first round. Well, 1:21:43.120 --> 1:21:45.400 you could argue that, and how's that corner? The guy 1:21:45.479 --> 1:21:47.720 you just said, how's he playing? Gladn He plays for 1:21:47.800 --> 1:21:49.600 the Vikings. You saw him last night. He played for 1:21:49.920 --> 1:21:53.000 He's a good player. But you already drafted Henderson at nine. Overall, 1:21:53.720 --> 1:21:56.439 you're doing two corners where wherever you could argue. But 1:21:56.439 --> 1:21:58.160 at my point is I guess you would argue if 1:21:58.200 --> 1:22:00.280 you if you didn't got what would just meant that, 1:22:00.840 --> 1:22:02.759 you know, when you had a second round, a second 1:22:02.800 --> 1:22:05.439 first round, or would you would you put a spend 1:22:05.479 --> 1:22:07.200 it on a big man inside. I mean, there's a 1:22:07.240 --> 1:22:08.639 lot of things that mean. It's a lot of what ifs. 1:22:08.640 --> 1:22:11.120 I'm not saying listen, by the way, I'm not even 1:22:11.280 --> 1:22:15.200 arguing that trading in Gockway was the wrong move overall, 1:22:15.320 --> 1:22:17.960 because you have to understand what the negotiations were, how 1:22:18.040 --> 1:22:20.800 much money he's working for. I mean, the question stumped me, 1:22:20.880 --> 1:22:23.120 to be honest with you, and I'm I was grasping 1:22:23.200 --> 1:22:24.960 at straws a little bit to figure out what the 1:22:25.000 --> 1:22:27.720 biggest mistake in this offseason was. And I didn't want 1:22:27.760 --> 1:22:30.800 to jump on the bandwagon with Pete who said keeping 1:22:30.840 --> 1:22:34.360 status quo and so um. Like. I could argue that 1:22:34.680 --> 1:22:37.559 trading and Dockway was the right move because of um 1:22:38.120 --> 1:22:41.960 the contract situation, but I go back to the bad 1:22:42.040 --> 1:22:45.360 blood in the feelings between the organization and in Gockway. 1:22:45.400 --> 1:22:47.800 We're not just this. This past offseason is an issue 1:22:47.920 --> 1:22:51.360 that was boiling. It was a boiling issue or rising 1:22:51.439 --> 1:22:53.679 to the top of a major issue over the last 1:22:54.160 --> 1:22:58.320 probably twelve months. So. But but the way the draft 1:22:58.520 --> 1:23:00.240 dropped out, you know, because you think you'd if you 1:23:00.360 --> 1:23:01.800 if you had a got Way, you'd want a big 1:23:01.880 --> 1:23:04.560 power player inside. That's what you would ideally, like it 1:23:04.600 --> 1:23:07.640 really wasn't. There wasn't one there. Yeah, you'd have to 1:23:07.760 --> 1:23:09.320 make that you don't have to pick kin Law at 1:23:09.400 --> 1:23:12.400 number nine and then get the corner later in the draft. Correct. 1:23:13.800 --> 1:23:16.599 So there you go. There's question number one, and that's 1:23:16.600 --> 1:23:19.000 a doozy that that got us going here on the 1:23:19.080 --> 1:23:22.120 social questions. Let's go to question number two at Jags. 1:23:23.760 --> 1:23:25.680 As we continue to get deeper into the season, as 1:23:25.720 --> 1:23:28.679 Gardner approving more and more to not be the guy 1:23:29.080 --> 1:23:32.480 in Eric quotes, what would he have to do consistently 1:23:32.560 --> 1:23:35.680 in the remaining eleven games to show he's the franchise 1:23:38.640 --> 1:23:43.040 I say win? Yeah, I mean that's a dumb player. 1:23:43.040 --> 1:23:45.760 That's a dumb answer. Well, thanks to win games. That's 1:23:45.840 --> 1:23:47.320 part of it. You have to show that you can 1:23:47.360 --> 1:23:49.240 win games. You have to show that you're progressing and 1:23:49.320 --> 1:23:53.599 improving and that the skill set you have um are 1:23:53.720 --> 1:23:56.639 greater than any deficiency that we know about arm strength 1:23:56.680 --> 1:23:58.840 and everything else. So you have two great such a 1:23:59.560 --> 1:24:01.000 get to me, I'm so good at one of those 1:24:01.000 --> 1:24:03.160 other skill sets. And I'll go back to the question 1:24:03.200 --> 1:24:06.080 about the off season. I could argue that the mistake 1:24:06.280 --> 1:24:09.160 was is not making a move to go get Justin 1:24:09.240 --> 1:24:11.280 Herbert in the first round, if even if you have 1:24:11.360 --> 1:24:14.120 to trade up, because that's I mean, I'm of the opinion. 1:24:14.200 --> 1:24:16.680 Until you know you have a franchise quarterback, I think 1:24:16.680 --> 1:24:17.800 you have to go get one. You have to go 1:24:17.920 --> 1:24:20.639 find one. And so you could argue that was a mistake. 1:24:21.240 --> 1:24:25.680 Um uh. And but as far as Minshew and what 1:24:26.080 --> 1:24:27.600 you know you have to see, I think you have 1:24:27.640 --> 1:24:30.200 to see progress. I think you've seeing better in the pocket. 1:24:30.280 --> 1:24:32.599 I see you have to see him starting participating better, 1:24:32.960 --> 1:24:35.240 making those throws down the field, pressing the ball down 1:24:35.280 --> 1:24:38.640 the field into the tight windows with accuracy um and 1:24:38.840 --> 1:24:42.120 being consistent in it um to a point that it 1:24:42.280 --> 1:24:45.519 overcomes any limitations that you know he has. As far 1:24:45.600 --> 1:24:47.760 as our arm strength, here's what he needs to do. 1:24:49.000 --> 1:24:51.840 Get the doctors to give him Jake Gluten. Here we 1:24:51.960 --> 1:24:57.600 go and get that arm on there, and then you 1:24:57.800 --> 1:25:00.360 buy that you'd have a really good quarterback. Well by 1:25:00.439 --> 1:25:03.280 you saying that, Pete, you don't think there's anything he 1:25:03.400 --> 1:25:05.960 can do that you believe that there's nothing he can 1:25:06.000 --> 1:25:12.479 do to prove to you that he is the franchise quarterback. No, 1:25:15.320 --> 1:25:18.360 I would disagree with that. And I think winning's part 1:25:18.400 --> 1:25:22.880 of it. Yeah, Pete, winning winning what winning three games? 1:25:23.000 --> 1:25:25.439 Is that part of it? No? No, no, no, they 1:25:25.520 --> 1:25:28.120 have to find a way to win. I think you 1:25:28.200 --> 1:25:30.519 have to get you have to get to seven. By 1:25:30.600 --> 1:25:32.960 the way, somebody sent in a comparison. I don't know 1:25:32.960 --> 1:25:34.200 if you were going to read it on the air, 1:25:34.240 --> 1:25:39.599 but I'm gonna jump the gun anyways, Case Keenum, Oh, 1:25:39.720 --> 1:25:43.640 he said, that's the ceiling is Case Keenum. Do you 1:25:43.720 --> 1:25:46.519 agree with that? Pete? Case Keenum might have had a 1:25:46.560 --> 1:25:50.640 little stronger harm to be honestly, but I see I 1:25:50.720 --> 1:25:52.880 see what he's saying. I do see what he's saying. 1:25:53.280 --> 1:25:56.600 Case Keena moved around. But if that's the case that 1:25:56.680 --> 1:26:00.640 you have to go get a quarterback, well, if you 1:26:00.720 --> 1:26:03.519 have the first pick, you're going to get a quarterback anyway. 1:26:03.880 --> 1:26:05.479 I don't care if you don't have the first pick. 1:26:05.520 --> 1:26:07.400 If you have a top ten pick, you have to 1:26:07.439 --> 1:26:09.280 go get a quarterback. You have to go find a way. 1:26:10.080 --> 1:26:13.040 I agree, I agree, I agree. Anyways, I think they do. 1:26:13.720 --> 1:26:16.040 And I came into the season with an open mind. 1:26:16.680 --> 1:26:19.519 I really did. I thought he I wanted to see 1:26:19.560 --> 1:26:21.559 him get better in the pocket. I wanted to see 1:26:21.640 --> 1:26:23.800 him driving. So I'm gonna ask you. I'm gonna ask 1:26:23.840 --> 1:26:26.200 you a question, Pete, with what you saw last year 1:26:26.280 --> 1:26:28.960 from the team and from Gardner, minshoot and having two 1:26:29.000 --> 1:26:33.320 first rounders Harvard, would you traded up two picks in 1:26:33.520 --> 1:26:36.520 front of the Chargers to go get Herbert? Yes? Absolutely, 1:26:37.080 --> 1:26:39.960 you know, I have a herb. I think I liked 1:26:40.000 --> 1:26:41.760 Herbert coming out of college too. I thought he was 1:26:42.000 --> 1:26:44.880 I thought he had a lot of uh characteristics that 1:26:44.960 --> 1:26:48.080 you like. And um, I really liked them coming out. 1:26:48.320 --> 1:26:51.640 But they do. You remember the scuttle butt was his personality. 1:26:51.880 --> 1:26:53.519 Wasn't you know at him buy any of it? I 1:26:54.960 --> 1:26:57.880 tell you what. They love him in Los Angeles. Yeah, 1:26:59.800 --> 1:27:02.640 and the players love him. That's the biggest compliment, right, 1:27:03.720 --> 1:27:06.320 He's got it. Believe me, he's got it. You know 1:27:06.479 --> 1:27:10.240 when you see it, you know when you see it. Yeah, 1:27:10.400 --> 1:27:12.680 I mean that's interesting because I mean, and I'm not 1:27:12.720 --> 1:27:14.160 gonna sit here and say I would have been that 1:27:14.320 --> 1:27:16.160 strong where I'd have traded two picks up to go 1:27:16.240 --> 1:27:20.840 get him. Um, but in hindsight, in hindsight, you do it. 1:27:22.600 --> 1:27:24.640 I do it right right this second. But I'm not 1:27:24.720 --> 1:27:26.960 gonna I'm not gonna be there. I like them coming 1:27:27.000 --> 1:27:32.160 out a lot, um, but I you know, I just 1:27:33.040 --> 1:27:35.760 I wasn't convinced. I was not convinced coming into the 1:27:35.800 --> 1:27:38.000 season and We talked about this in the offseason JP 1:27:38.160 --> 1:27:41.800 and and on shows. Um the Gardener was the man 1:27:42.240 --> 1:27:44.360 not saying he but I also wasn't convinced he wasn't. 1:27:44.760 --> 1:27:47.000 And when you are in a position of indecision with 1:27:47.120 --> 1:27:49.080 your quarterback, then I think you gotta go find guys 1:27:49.120 --> 1:27:51.679 to compete with them. So you could have You could 1:27:51.720 --> 1:27:55.400 have gone up to four because the Giants wanted to tackle, 1:27:55.560 --> 1:27:57.600 and there were four of them in that draft, And 1:27:57.680 --> 1:27:59.760 if they had traded back to nine, they still could 1:27:59.760 --> 1:28:02.560 have got Wills or Beckton rather than take Thomas, So 1:28:02.920 --> 1:28:05.320 you could have gone to nine into four and got 1:28:05.400 --> 1:28:07.519 him if you wanted them. You know how I feel 1:28:07.560 --> 1:28:10.080 about Herbert I I I'm with you. I'm I think 1:28:10.160 --> 1:28:12.280 the kid is going to be it. I think he's 1:28:12.280 --> 1:28:15.080 gonna be He is the guy that picked the partner draft, 1:28:15.160 --> 1:28:18.880 coming in by everybody for his accuracy, much like Josh 1:28:18.920 --> 1:28:21.240 Allen was. But you can look at him and you say, 1:28:21.320 --> 1:28:23.040 you know what, there's a lot to work with their 1:28:23.120 --> 1:28:26.720 He's gonna be a good player. But they didn't. So 1:28:27.360 --> 1:28:30.080 this is what this is what it is. Yeah, yeah, 1:28:30.400 --> 1:28:31.840 but and that's why I'm not going to give up 1:28:31.880 --> 1:28:34.760 home Gardner yet. I'm not in the same campus beat. 1:28:35.080 --> 1:28:36.760 I think there is stuff he can do to prove 1:28:36.880 --> 1:28:38.560 to me at least that he is the future of 1:28:38.640 --> 1:28:41.479 this franchise. But but Tony, Okay, People will say, well, 1:28:41.520 --> 1:28:43.560 what if he was in Jacksonville's offense, would he have 1:28:43.600 --> 1:28:45.680 the same success he's had? The charges of it? The 1:28:45.760 --> 1:28:47.760 Chargers don't have a ton of talent on offense. We 1:28:47.880 --> 1:28:51.520 actually the offensive, the offensive line is better for the Jaguars, 1:28:52.960 --> 1:28:54.800 the receiving the receiving corps is a little bit better 1:28:54.920 --> 1:28:58.880 for the Williams. Has it been? And and so is 1:28:58.920 --> 1:29:00.800 the tight ends really good too? On her Henry? Yeah, 1:29:00.840 --> 1:29:03.120 so they're a little Mike Williams hasn't been on the field. 1:29:03.160 --> 1:29:05.040 He's been throwing the guy that touched out as his 1:29:05.160 --> 1:29:09.200 last week and came the guys off the street. All right. 1:29:09.240 --> 1:29:12.880 Our next question comes from at Brandon Bushyight won seven. Pete, 1:29:12.960 --> 1:29:15.439 I need your take on this. Oh boy, I can't wait. 1:29:16.320 --> 1:29:18.800 Is it too early to admit the showburn experiment is 1:29:18.840 --> 1:29:21.519 a bust? I know Tony's response will be no, because 1:29:21.560 --> 1:29:24.680 he's been able to help Miles Shack moved to his 1:29:24.720 --> 1:29:27.600 correct position. But I feel nine of the middle linebackers 1:29:27.680 --> 1:29:36.160 could have done that. Uh. To answer your question, yes, okay, wait, 1:29:36.280 --> 1:29:39.680 time out, time explain why he's a bust. I don't know. 1:29:40.040 --> 1:29:43.160 He's not a bus Is he worth the money they 1:29:43.240 --> 1:29:45.439 spent on that? Okay, that's fair, that's a fair quint. 1:29:45.640 --> 1:29:48.640 That's fair. And the answer to my answer would be no, 1:29:50.040 --> 1:29:52.840 I have not seen anything that and I think JP 1:29:53.000 --> 1:29:54.880 correct me if I'm wrong. Show is one of the 1:29:54.920 --> 1:29:57.080 higher paid middle linebackers in the league. Is that correct? 1:29:57.320 --> 1:30:02.000 I would say probably yes, Okay, And I don't know, 1:30:02.280 --> 1:30:04.120 And I don't think he's one of the more impactful 1:30:04.160 --> 1:30:06.679 middle linebackers in the NFL. I don't think he makes 1:30:06.760 --> 1:30:09.519 huge mistakes. Um. I think he's in the right place 1:30:10.200 --> 1:30:12.320 for the most part. But I have not seen him 1:30:12.760 --> 1:30:16.200 make impact plays per se. Uh. Now we're only five 1:30:16.240 --> 1:30:20.880 games in. It's very early. Um. Right now, I'd qualify 1:30:20.960 --> 1:30:24.120 him as a solid player, but it's like it fairness 1:30:24.200 --> 1:30:27.160 to him. The guys in front of him aren't occupying 1:30:27.200 --> 1:30:29.200 a lot of bodies either. They're not that you know 1:30:29.200 --> 1:30:31.800 what I mean, They're not great up front. So it 1:30:32.320 --> 1:30:35.080 is one of those situations where it might be nice 1:30:35.120 --> 1:30:39.439 to see him evaluated in a situation where he has 1:30:39.439 --> 1:30:42.760 a lot more help around them. So I'm I will 1:30:42.840 --> 1:30:45.400 give him, I will give him that benefit of the doubt. 1:30:47.040 --> 1:30:49.600 But he's not a bus. That's I mean, he's not 1:30:49.680 --> 1:30:52.639 a bus. Okay, He's the guys that are making more 1:30:52.720 --> 1:30:58.240 than him right now, right inside linebackers mostly Jalen Smith 1:30:58.280 --> 1:31:01.640 who hasn't played close to that country draft, Zach Cunningham 1:31:02.520 --> 1:31:07.240 he's a stud now he's good. Miles Jack, he's a stud, 1:31:08.520 --> 1:31:14.400 Dion Jones, Bobby Wagner, he's do you see him? He 1:31:14.560 --> 1:31:19.880 is so good on Alexander. I'm good too, so then 1:31:19.920 --> 1:31:25.920 showbur this year. Yeah he was hurt last year. But 1:31:26.240 --> 1:31:28.920 but I mean there are guys you could go get too. 1:31:29.080 --> 1:31:31.519 I mean you, I am always looking for a young 1:31:31.800 --> 1:31:34.120 bumper to go run and chase. That's what I'm looking for. 1:31:34.240 --> 1:31:38.600 I I try and find a guy like that, you 1:31:38.640 --> 1:31:43.080 know what I mean? Like, Okay, can can Jack Porterman 1:31:43.160 --> 1:31:46.920 play at all? You know you drafted him. I think 1:31:46.960 --> 1:31:51.960 he's a inside middle. I don't think he's gonna be 1:31:52.000 --> 1:31:54.920 out there at nigglebe No, but he would he could 1:31:54.960 --> 1:31:59.720 play on first a second down because he was I know, 1:31:59.800 --> 1:32:02.000 but still need a nickel and schober can play Nickel. 1:32:02.560 --> 1:32:05.519 I don't think he's chasing guys. Hey, you're paying Nickel 1:32:05.600 --> 1:32:08.080 that kind of money, don't you know? He know you do? 1:32:08.200 --> 1:32:10.320 You pay an every down linebacker that kind of money? 1:32:10.840 --> 1:32:12.840 But is he good enough? And as a thumper, that's 1:32:12.880 --> 1:32:15.439 the question. Is he more of a nickel on linebacker? 1:32:16.439 --> 1:32:18.400 I think you can dump. I think he's that. I don't. 1:32:18.520 --> 1:32:22.720 I just don't know how he can run? Do you humper? 1:32:24.040 --> 1:32:27.479 I wouldn't watch him. I would even Cleveland. I would 1:32:27.479 --> 1:32:32.920 have never qualified. Like running. He's a sideline to Silente Chase. 1:32:33.240 --> 1:32:34.960 He's a running and Chase gun. I thought you were 1:32:34.960 --> 1:32:40.720 talking about quarterman. I'm sorry, quarter right, He's That's what 1:32:40.800 --> 1:32:43.920 I was talking about. Yeah, No, Schobers not out of 1:32:44.000 --> 1:32:48.080 curiosity where the Schobert ranking PF grades, Not that this 1:32:48.200 --> 1:32:50.160 is dangerous territories for me because I might lose it. 1:32:51.720 --> 1:32:54.880 You're not gonna lose it. I'll find it though. All right, 1:32:55.240 --> 1:32:57.599 Next question, j Next, we got time for two more. 1:32:57.680 --> 1:33:00.719 Let's go to social number four. Do you see Scott 1:33:00.760 --> 1:33:02.720 oh six oh two? What is the likelihood with the 1:33:02.760 --> 1:33:05.800 trade deadline approaching and we try and trade to get 1:33:05.880 --> 1:33:08.360 more draft picks for example, D D. Westbrook isn't active, 1:33:08.360 --> 1:33:09.840 but he could be used by a team looking for 1:33:09.960 --> 1:33:13.120 more wide receiver. Then yeah, but you're not gonna get 1:33:13.120 --> 1:33:15.240 any real trade value for d D. Westbrook. What do 1:33:15.280 --> 1:33:16.960 you think he gonna get back at six seventh rounder? 1:33:16.960 --> 1:33:21.760 Why would you do that? I mean, unless someone willing 1:33:21.800 --> 1:33:23.320 to give you a third or fourth rounder, I'm not 1:33:23.320 --> 1:33:26.559 sure why you trade d he that depth. He doesn't 1:33:26.600 --> 1:33:28.200 cost you anything. I mean, I hate it for d 1:33:28.280 --> 1:33:29.560 D that he has to sit on the bench, but 1:33:30.160 --> 1:33:33.200 I'm not sure six or seventh rounders. And the forced 1:33:33.280 --> 1:33:36.280 media real excited about moving the guy that started somebody 1:33:36.320 --> 1:33:38.760 gets in case somebody gets hurt. Yeah, I keep it. 1:33:39.040 --> 1:33:43.120 By the way, Shoberd is seven ranked uh inside linebacker. 1:33:44.120 --> 1:33:47.439 So there's sixty four if you count two for each teams, 1:33:47.520 --> 1:33:51.360 that's the bottom half. Okay, let's put it by comparison. 1:33:51.800 --> 1:33:54.240 Miles Jack is number one, as great as ninety one. 1:33:55.040 --> 1:34:00.679 Showbird is forty seven and is great is the nine 1:34:00.840 --> 1:34:06.519 number one? Yeah, he's been playing so well, but but 1:34:07.520 --> 1:34:11.240 his grade was what I say is grade was Showbert's 1:34:11.280 --> 1:34:21.200 grade is forty forty seven point eight. That's a significant difference. 1:34:22.640 --> 1:34:26.960 Hut that and and if you want to rank and 1:34:27.160 --> 1:34:33.680 run defenses by far as worse, let's not a long 1:34:34.000 --> 1:34:37.040 one more question social question, all right from at sick Win. 1:34:38.560 --> 1:34:42.000 Have we hit rock bottom yet? And if not, what 1:34:42.320 --> 1:34:45.320 is the bottom? Well, as they always say, it could 1:34:45.479 --> 1:34:50.200 always be worse, right, guys, Well, I think this is 1:34:50.240 --> 1:34:52.200 a question not just this year. I think this is 1:34:52.240 --> 1:34:55.280 a feeling over the last you know, outside of seventeen, 1:34:55.400 --> 1:34:58.599 the last decade is probably this comment. I mean, because 1:34:58.880 --> 1:35:04.120 it's been you know, you haven't been a good football 1:35:04.120 --> 1:35:06.400 team for a long time outside of out of the 1:35:06.439 --> 1:35:08.400 side of the one year in seventeen, which was a 1:35:08.439 --> 1:35:10.680 lot of fun and they got today's championship, almost to 1:35:10.680 --> 1:35:12.800 the Super Bowl. And so I think the frustration of 1:35:12.840 --> 1:35:14.840 the fan base and everyone's and I get it. I 1:35:14.880 --> 1:35:17.040 mean it's hard to argue, you know, you start one 1:35:17.080 --> 1:35:19.639 in four and you lose, really you lost three bad 1:35:19.720 --> 1:35:23.519 games in a row, um, And I think there's a 1:35:23.560 --> 1:35:26.360 lot of despair and discouragement out there in uh in 1:35:26.520 --> 1:35:31.880 JAG's fan world. Here's how low, here's the lowest that, 1:35:35.000 --> 1:35:37.120 this is the lowest, this is the lowest that could go. 1:35:38.000 --> 1:35:40.040 You go one in fifteen and you don't get the 1:35:40.120 --> 1:35:45.800 first pick. That's as low as it can go. Yeah, 1:35:45.800 --> 1:35:51.800 it'd be pretty bad. I mean, he's not wrong because 1:35:51.840 --> 1:35:55.960 it depresses me thinking about it. That's as bad as 1:35:56.000 --> 1:35:58.640 it gets. They can't go any lower than that. And 1:35:58.640 --> 1:36:01.639 remember the whole idea. Oh that ramspick might be pretty 1:36:01.680 --> 1:36:08.840 good too. It might have another there four and one. Great. 1:36:09.000 --> 1:36:12.080 Thanks feet for cheering us up. Appreciate that. Thanks for 1:36:12.160 --> 1:36:16.200 the social media questions tonight. Keep them coming every week 1:36:16.240 --> 1:36:19.000 here on Diaguars Happy Hour. We're back. 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The Texans 1:40:18.640 --> 1:40:22.000 beat the Jacks for their first win of the season yesterday, 1:40:22.960 --> 1:40:25.280 the third consecutive team that has beaten the Jags for 1:40:25.360 --> 1:40:28.040 their first win of the season. The Indianapolis Colts lost 1:40:28.120 --> 1:40:31.559 to the Browns and the Browns might actually be good 1:40:32.280 --> 1:40:34.120 and what four one for the first time since it's 1:40:34.160 --> 1:40:36.880 a ninety four since Bill Belichick was there and Nick 1:40:36.960 --> 1:40:40.360 Saban was an assistant. And the Titans are playing football 1:40:40.479 --> 1:40:43.880 tomorrow night for the first time in two weeks. They'll 1:40:43.880 --> 1:40:47.080 be playing after all those positive tests in the building. 1:40:47.880 --> 1:40:50.000 They're playing the Bills Josh Allen four and oh and 1:40:50.080 --> 1:40:52.640 the bill is hot to start. Who you got in 1:40:52.720 --> 1:40:55.400 that game Tuesday? First of all for the Tennessee Titan, 1:40:56.400 --> 1:40:59.120 I'm taking the Bills. I think the Titans defense is awful. 1:40:59.680 --> 1:41:01.880 I think thirty points in the last two games. They're 1:41:01.920 --> 1:41:04.639 not good on defense. I think jo Josh Allen's gonna 1:41:04.720 --> 1:41:07.400 light them up. And how much have they practiced? Tony 1:41:07.800 --> 1:41:10.280 as a player, If you don't get a couple of 1:41:10.320 --> 1:41:14.519 practices and is that bad, well, I think you're a 1:41:14.560 --> 1:41:16.599 little bit rusty. I mean, you can put the pads 1:41:16.640 --> 1:41:18.360 on for the first time. I'll tell you what, You'll 1:41:18.400 --> 1:41:21.560 be fresh. Let be running around feel good. That's what 1:41:21.600 --> 1:41:23.120 I mean. Is it? Is it a good thing or 1:41:23.160 --> 1:41:26.840 is it a bad thing? Um? I can't even comprehend 1:41:26.920 --> 1:41:29.639 that being out that long, that's two weeks, be very 1:41:29.680 --> 1:41:32.640 little activity all virtual. I mean, have they put the 1:41:32.680 --> 1:41:35.679 pads on one time in two weeks? Yeah? I think 1:41:35.760 --> 1:41:37.519 I think it's um. I think it's a big I 1:41:37.560 --> 1:41:40.000 think it's a disadvantage as much as players don't like 1:41:40.080 --> 1:41:42.240 the practice because they want to play games only. I 1:41:42.360 --> 1:41:46.200 do think, you know, practice doesn't matter, and uh, I 1:41:46.240 --> 1:41:50.240 think they're at a disadvantage. And I think, yeah, I 1:41:50.360 --> 1:41:52.720 think the Bills have an advantaged even I think the 1:41:52.760 --> 1:41:54.599 Bills are really good. By the way, the Bills get 1:41:54.640 --> 1:41:58.280 caught looking ahead to the Chiefs next week. No, I 1:41:58.520 --> 1:42:01.320 think I think Sean mcderham a really good coach. Me too, 1:42:01.800 --> 1:42:04.600 me too. So of course, now that we mentioned the 1:42:04.640 --> 1:42:07.640 Browns over the Colts, Peter, the Brown's good. All of 1:42:07.680 --> 1:42:09.960 a sudden, they could run it. They leave the league 1:42:09.960 --> 1:42:12.960 and running. They're a leading And what they've done is 1:42:13.000 --> 1:42:15.160 they made it so it makes easy throws for Baker 1:42:15.240 --> 1:42:17.680 Mayfield when he is in the pocket, though he's threw 1:42:17.720 --> 1:42:21.560 two terrible interceptions and Rivers played awful yesterday. Did you 1:42:21.600 --> 1:42:24.960 see how to pick six for the rounds? Oh? Yeah, 1:42:25.080 --> 1:42:30.519 Ronnie Harrison, Yeah, the Browns do really well, Pete. And 1:42:30.600 --> 1:42:33.680 they can rush the pastor Myles garrettson piece. Yeah, they 1:42:33.720 --> 1:42:38.080 do again. I think Kevin, I I met Kevin Stefansky 1:42:38.120 --> 1:42:39.320 a couple of years ago, and I've gotten to know 1:42:39.400 --> 1:42:43.160 him a little bit. He is exactly what they needed 1:42:43.200 --> 1:42:47.360 in that organization. He's a Philly guy, he's you know, 1:42:47.479 --> 1:42:49.479 he knows, he's got a little bit of an attitude, 1:42:49.520 --> 1:42:52.120 but he's also smart. Right. I think he's gonna be 1:42:52.120 --> 1:42:54.720 a hell of a coach. I really do. I think 1:42:54.760 --> 1:42:56.880 they're on the right moving in the right direction. They're 1:42:56.880 --> 1:42:59.120 still not great on defense, even though they rushed the pastor, 1:42:59.200 --> 1:43:02.040 they still have some issues on defense. Philip Rivers is 1:43:02.120 --> 1:43:05.880 not very good. Whoa Oh my gosh, think about it. 1:43:05.960 --> 1:43:08.679 They've lost two games and he cost them both of them. Yeah, 1:43:08.720 --> 1:43:12.320 I think because I mean, see, he's the issue there 1:43:12.400 --> 1:43:16.720 right now because they're playing good defense, good weapons. They 1:43:16.760 --> 1:43:19.160 don't have a new weapons outside either. T y Olton 1:43:19.200 --> 1:43:21.760 can't get going, and so where else is he going 1:43:21.880 --> 1:43:24.400 with it? The tight end Moalley cox is had some 1:43:24.520 --> 1:43:27.439 good games, but where else what do they have? And 1:43:27.640 --> 1:43:30.599 no speed? Really, So you don't think he's the issue 1:43:30.680 --> 1:43:32.720 right now? No, I don't think he's playing well at all. 1:43:32.840 --> 1:43:39.519 I think he's an issue. Yes, that's yeah, I know, 1:43:39.600 --> 1:43:42.639 because you love him. So let's get to our power 1:43:42.800 --> 1:43:47.720 rankings going into week six. Actually, with another game in 1:43:47.760 --> 1:43:51.439 week five remaining tomorrow night Tony get us started. Please 1:43:51.520 --> 1:43:56.560 AFC South Power rankings highly anticipated painful listening to be 1:43:56.640 --> 1:44:00.280 a painful segment for me. Um, I'm going Tennessee is 1:44:00.360 --> 1:44:02.360 number one, even though I think the Bills are gonna 1:44:02.360 --> 1:44:03.680 be and I still think they're the best team in 1:44:03.680 --> 1:44:07.479 the an SC South. Um the culture number two. Um, 1:44:07.840 --> 1:44:10.000 even though I think I hate to say, because I 1:44:10.280 --> 1:44:12.160 really like Philip Rivers as well as a player, but 1:44:12.840 --> 1:44:16.800 he might be on the doorstep of being done. Um, 1:44:17.080 --> 1:44:19.559 because I think they have a really good defense. They 1:44:19.600 --> 1:44:22.240 can run the ball. Uh, this is hurts right now 1:44:22.240 --> 1:44:24.040 where I'm about to say, but I can't deny it. 1:44:24.400 --> 1:44:26.840 The Texans won, The Texans are three, and the Jags 1:44:26.880 --> 1:44:31.200 are in the door there the doormat there last, I'll 1:44:31.200 --> 1:44:34.800 agree with across the board. I would if if the 1:44:34.880 --> 1:44:36.640 Colts had won, clearly they would have been the best 1:44:36.680 --> 1:44:38.920 team in the division. But the way that Rivers has 1:44:38.960 --> 1:44:41.400 played those two losses, come on, they lost to the Jaguars. 1:44:41.479 --> 1:44:43.360 You should have won that game through two was it 1:44:43.400 --> 1:44:46.479 two picks in that game? And he too yesterday he 1:44:46.680 --> 1:44:49.439 just he didn't look good. He doesn't look good and 1:44:49.600 --> 1:44:55.000 So there's Pete daily scored twenty points against the Jaguars. 1:44:56.920 --> 1:44:59.960 They're gonna bench him? Pete, Well, there's people are asking 1:45:00.040 --> 1:45:02.640 that question. They asked Frank Reich about it today and 1:45:02.760 --> 1:45:09.960 he said, no, yeah, would you bend him? Not yet? Yeah, 1:45:09.960 --> 1:45:12.040 at least you gotta let him play it out. For 1:45:12.360 --> 1:45:19.080 so ranked quarterbacks in the AFC the South, Danny Hill 1:45:19.200 --> 1:45:25.200 might be one Watson too, uh minshewn and rivers the 1:45:25.280 --> 1:45:29.400 way he's playing. I mean, that's what I'm saying. I 1:45:29.520 --> 1:45:31.880 think I might agree with you. But you know what, Tony, 1:45:32.040 --> 1:45:35.720 we're killing rivers up until the last week and we 1:45:35.760 --> 1:45:37.760 went and played to the Bears and they won. He 1:45:37.880 --> 1:45:40.439 was completing over seventies something present of his bars is 1:45:41.080 --> 1:45:42.880 but he's still is a hard time drying. He like 1:45:43.000 --> 1:45:44.720 he's another one has a hard time driving it down 1:45:44.720 --> 1:45:47.360 the field. Yeah, because he's always been a guy that 1:45:47.560 --> 1:45:50.000 uses his lower body and torque and drive the ball. 1:45:50.040 --> 1:45:52.639 And I don't think he has any power anymore. Yeah, 1:45:52.720 --> 1:45:57.880 he's just getting old. He's done, probably, Pete, what are 1:45:57.880 --> 1:46:02.679 your power rankings are the same as Tony's? Yes, exactly 1:46:02.760 --> 1:46:08.680 the same, exact No controversy this week. Okay, to get 1:46:08.720 --> 1:46:10.920 blown out. What if the Titans. Let's let's spin it forward. 1:46:10.960 --> 1:46:13.599 What if the Titans kept blown out? It's still I'm 1:46:13.640 --> 1:46:16.200 still picking the Titans over every teams out. Yeah, and 1:46:16.240 --> 1:46:19.640 they're not that good. They're not that good. It's a 1:46:19.680 --> 1:46:23.639 bad division, alright. 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Yeah, that's one of those situations where 1:50:44.320 --> 1:50:46.280 he came back last year he's gonna get fired. Last 1:50:46.360 --> 1:50:48.519 year he rallied him and they said, Okay, we'll give 1:50:48.600 --> 1:50:50.280 me a shot to turn it around, and you go 1:50:50.400 --> 1:50:53.040 oh and five and blow double digit leads. I mean, 1:50:53.080 --> 1:50:55.440 they had to make a change, and it's not surprising. 1:50:55.720 --> 1:50:58.519 And as far as the METROF you usually get two 1:50:58.560 --> 1:51:01.679 coaches and you're done. That's pretty simple in the NFL, 1:51:02.280 --> 1:51:07.040 not surprising, Tony. I hate because I like both those guys, 1:51:07.280 --> 1:51:10.040 and I really like Dan Queennez in person, and you know, 1:51:10.160 --> 1:51:12.160 I think he's a good football coaches and it was 1:51:12.240 --> 1:51:14.439 time to make a change. I get it why I 1:51:14.520 --> 1:51:16.400 hated for him, And I really like Thomas de me Trump. 1:51:16.400 --> 1:51:18.080 I've had a lot of good conversations with them, and 1:51:18.120 --> 1:51:19.920 if you look at they had, they're probably one of 1:51:19.960 --> 1:51:22.200 the greatest runs in the history of the franchise under him, 1:51:22.439 --> 1:51:25.040 um for a little up until the last three years. 1:51:25.120 --> 1:51:27.040 So I hate it for both those guys, but it 1:51:27.200 --> 1:51:29.519 is the NFL, and this is how this business works. 1:51:30.680 --> 1:51:34.080 They never really recovered from that Super Bowl loss when 1:51:34.120 --> 1:51:36.160 they had the big lead, and they were never the 1:51:36.240 --> 1:51:39.800 same organization really after that point. Obviously, they didn't really 1:51:39.840 --> 1:51:44.360 recover from that. The Ravens over the Bengals three dominant, 1:51:44.439 --> 1:51:48.120 seven sacks of Borrow. The Ravens are pretty good here, 1:51:48.200 --> 1:51:52.680 Pete obviously well, but Lamar Jackson is not playing like 1:51:52.840 --> 1:51:56.400 he did a year ago. Inaccurate. Yeah, he's got her 1:51:56.400 --> 1:51:58.519 shooting the ball over the place. It's just not good 1:51:58.760 --> 1:52:01.320 right now. And he's kind of pick up his game now. 1:52:01.479 --> 1:52:03.760 He was dinged a little bit and didn't practice last week, 1:52:03.800 --> 1:52:05.720 so he didn't run as much. But you know how 1:52:05.760 --> 1:52:08.360 I feel, Tony. I think once you have to be 1:52:08.439 --> 1:52:11.160 able to throw from the pocket, because once the ability 1:52:11.240 --> 1:52:13.559 to run the way he's run so far goes away, 1:52:13.840 --> 1:52:17.120 the teams defend them differently. And it's never. You don't 1:52:17.160 --> 1:52:19.439 get faster as you get older. We we know, I 1:52:19.520 --> 1:52:21.280 believe me. I can speak from experience, and I know 1:52:21.600 --> 1:52:24.160 old man to spell. He can speak from experience as well. 1:52:24.479 --> 1:52:25.920 You don't get older as you You don't get faster 1:52:26.040 --> 1:52:28.479 to get older. So eventually he's got to start playing 1:52:28.560 --> 1:52:32.080 inside that pocket and making frozen there. And uh, he's 1:52:32.120 --> 1:52:34.240 not playing that well right now. And I thought he 1:52:34.320 --> 1:52:38.280 made progress last year and that and um even earlier. 1:52:38.360 --> 1:52:40.200 Yere he I thought. But then all of a sudden, 1:52:40.240 --> 1:52:42.920 that Thursday night game I did, he was all over 1:52:43.000 --> 1:52:45.320 the place, inaccurate, didn't play well. I didn't, and you know, 1:52:45.439 --> 1:52:48.920 and then the Kansas City game, I'm sorry on Thursday, 1:52:48.960 --> 1:52:50.599 the Monday night game against Kansas City, he just did 1:52:50.640 --> 1:52:53.880 not Man, he was just so inaccurate. And yeah, and 1:52:54.000 --> 1:52:55.840 he hasn't played great the last two weeks. They've won 1:52:55.920 --> 1:52:58.240 football games because they have some talent and he can 1:52:58.280 --> 1:53:01.040 still beat with his legs to you, so athletic. But 1:53:01.840 --> 1:53:03.680 he's gonna play better. I think he will. He's a 1:53:03.720 --> 1:53:07.360 competitive defense. Won that game yesterday. They got all of 1:53:07.880 --> 1:53:12.960 Joe Burrow. We can't they can't pretend. I know, well 1:53:13.000 --> 1:53:17.280 they protected against one team. Let's move along. The Raiders 1:53:17.400 --> 1:53:20.200 over the Chiefs forty to thirty two. And well, they 1:53:20.280 --> 1:53:22.360 called it. They said, in order for this to be 1:53:22.439 --> 1:53:25.160 a rivalry, the Raiders said they gotta win some of 1:53:25.240 --> 1:53:27.000 these games against the Chiefs. They went out and did it. 1:53:27.080 --> 1:53:29.439 Derek Carr had our car had a nice game yesterday. 1:53:30.120 --> 1:53:32.280 He did have a nice game, and that A couple 1:53:32.320 --> 1:53:35.000 of things about that game. One Antonio will know this. 1:53:35.479 --> 1:53:38.679 The Chiefs play offensive line is not playing very well. There, 1:53:39.000 --> 1:53:41.800 you know right right tackle Mitchell Schwartz played great last year. 1:53:41.840 --> 1:53:43.479 He's not playing very well. The rest of the line's 1:53:43.520 --> 1:53:46.160 not playing well. He's taking too many shots, and I 1:53:46.240 --> 1:53:49.639 think teams are starting to make him like Gus Bradley 1:53:49.640 --> 1:53:52.800 always does, make him be patient, and he doesn't like it. 1:53:53.120 --> 1:53:55.120 He doesn't like it at all. And they did a 1:53:55.160 --> 1:53:57.519 really good job. The Raiders. They spied him the whole 1:53:57.560 --> 1:53:59.160 game with RD and key. They did a lot of 1:53:59.240 --> 1:54:02.280 really creative things, and uh, I think it's they got 1:54:02.360 --> 1:54:04.120 to pick it up. And they played the Bills next 1:54:04.160 --> 1:54:08.439 week the Chiefs and they lost the left tackle assembly 1:54:08.560 --> 1:54:10.799 he was card off the build, I mean guard injury, 1:54:10.960 --> 1:54:18.840 the guard guard to Tornell attendance in both knees. Yes, 1:54:19.600 --> 1:54:24.439 and the same play. Yes, how does that happen? Happened 1:54:24.680 --> 1:54:26.920 a wide receiver named Wendell Davis years ago, and it 1:54:26.960 --> 1:54:30.519 happens to Bronco player once as well. That it's it's weird. 1:54:31.640 --> 1:54:38.080 He's done. Agreed with everything you said. Pete Cardinals over 1:54:38.120 --> 1:54:40.480 the Jets thirty to ten. The Jets are awful. The 1:54:40.560 --> 1:54:44.720 Steelers over the Eagles thirty eight twenty nine, and not 1:54:44.880 --> 1:54:46.960 too far down the road, the Jags get the Steelers 1:54:48.160 --> 1:54:54.760 Chase Claypool receivers everywhere. Every single year, they've been looking 1:54:54.760 --> 1:54:59.240 at Antonio Brown, Emmanuel Sanders always guys, they've always find 1:54:59.320 --> 1:55:04.680 him in the you know, second Brown and he hasn't 1:55:04.720 --> 1:55:07.240 done anything this year. Deante Johnson, who didn't play, got 1:55:07.320 --> 1:55:11.240 hurt yesterday. There there, I'll tell you what get them early, 1:55:11.360 --> 1:55:12.960 because they're gonna be good late in the season when 1:55:13.000 --> 1:55:15.040 that offense all gets together and plays the entire year. 1:55:15.040 --> 1:55:17.560 They play the Browns speak, that's an interesting game. That 1:55:17.600 --> 1:55:19.440 would be a good game. That's a good football game 1:55:19.440 --> 1:55:21.200 because that's a good defense. And see how good that 1:55:21.280 --> 1:55:23.880 run games. They didn't play well on defense yesterday, Tony, 1:55:24.200 --> 1:55:27.280 they didn't well. Wentz played good, which I was happy 1:55:27.360 --> 1:55:29.480 for him. I mean, and he's played with a bunch 1:55:29.480 --> 1:55:32.240 of don name receivers. He actually played pretty well. Yeah, 1:55:32.520 --> 1:55:35.360 Rams over Washington thirty to ten. The big story though, 1:55:35.400 --> 1:55:38.560 Alex Smith back playing after two years of rehab. What 1:55:38.640 --> 1:55:41.720 a story. It's amazing. I mean, it was a great 1:55:41.800 --> 1:55:46.200 story to see and it's it's so terrible when you 1:55:46.240 --> 1:55:49.720 think his rehab to get back and he plays and 1:55:49.840 --> 1:55:55.160 on the same day Dak Prescott just an awful injury. 1:55:55.480 --> 1:55:58.000 And yeah, but his injury was not as bad as 1:55:58.000 --> 1:56:01.160 al Smith. No, Alex Smith had the knee and it 1:56:01.280 --> 1:56:04.520 was all but they did have a compound fracture. So 1:56:04.560 --> 1:56:06.160 they had a surgery last night to make sure the 1:56:06.200 --> 1:56:09.600 wound was not getting infected in anything. So that's what happened. 1:56:09.600 --> 1:56:12.600 That's what happened. To h what happened to Alex Fifth 1:56:12.640 --> 1:56:17.760 He basically got infection in their acceptance. Yeah, terrible. And 1:56:17.840 --> 1:56:19.960 the Cowboys rallied to win that game, by the way, 1:56:20.000 --> 1:56:23.000 over the Giants thirty seven to thirty four. The Dolphins 1:56:23.000 --> 1:56:26.160 they're not very good. The Cowboys are the football games. No, 1:56:26.360 --> 1:56:30.320 their defense is terrible. Dolphins went out to San fran 1:56:30.400 --> 1:56:35.800 and knocked off Totin forty three to seventeen. What well, 1:56:36.200 --> 1:56:39.320 when Ryan Fitzpatrick gets hot, man, there's no stop at him. 1:56:39.760 --> 1:56:42.640 You know, when he gets hot, he is unbelievable. But 1:56:42.720 --> 1:56:44.960 he can get really cold. He was hot right from 1:56:44.960 --> 1:56:47.880 the start. Forty Niners are terrible. They're playing like fourth 1:56:47.960 --> 1:56:50.320 stringers in the second there it's they can't rush the 1:56:50.360 --> 1:56:53.600 pastor the bad defense right now. And Garoppolo was terrible. 1:56:54.440 --> 1:56:56.480 Are they gonna move on from Garopolo after the year. 1:56:57.000 --> 1:56:59.760 I don't know. They might. They might eat I mean, 1:57:00.120 --> 1:57:01.680 he was coming off an injury and he could see 1:57:01.720 --> 1:57:05.080 he wasn't fully. But they play the Rams Sunday night. 1:57:05.200 --> 1:57:08.720 That's you know, that's a survival test almost all now. Wow. 1:57:08.960 --> 1:57:12.240 And then the Seahawks rallied. Russell Wilson, your guy Pete 1:57:12.880 --> 1:57:15.240 had a big game and a big rally. Again that's 1:57:15.280 --> 1:57:16.760 not the story though. Would you have gone for it 1:57:16.840 --> 1:57:18.320 on fourth down or would you have kick to make 1:57:18.360 --> 1:57:23.840 it eight? I like that he went for you need inches. 1:57:23.880 --> 1:57:25.960 If you can't get inches, what are you doing? By 1:57:26.000 --> 1:57:27.960 the way, I sent out a screenshot on Twitter and 1:57:28.080 --> 1:57:32.920 from uh the run there is the now the fullback 1:57:33.080 --> 1:57:35.600 is the fullback lead, so he takes on the linebacker. 1:57:35.920 --> 1:57:37.640 But Tony, all he has to do is make one 1:57:37.680 --> 1:57:40.520 little bounce to the right and he walks in. He 1:57:40.680 --> 1:57:45.240 walks in. Yeah, I think I like that because, like, 1:57:45.840 --> 1:57:48.080 first of all, you're telling me you're gonna go bet 1:57:48.120 --> 1:57:52.160 on Russell Wilson not getting two point conversion? Right, Okay, 1:57:55.480 --> 1:57:59.720 it's like start, that's probably the thirty or something. But 1:57:59.880 --> 1:58:03.680 I to the kickoff here. You were running right through 1:58:03.760 --> 1:58:06.240 them the whole game. And by the way, that's right, 1:58:06.400 --> 1:58:09.160 and they have a terrible defense, and if you get 1:58:09.240 --> 1:58:12.960 an inch, you win the game. The percentages I think 1:58:13.000 --> 1:58:14.480 would tell you to go for it. If you want 1:58:14.520 --> 1:58:16.160 to go to this whole analytics book. I think the 1:58:16.200 --> 1:58:19.160 analystics they go for it because of the percentages. I 1:58:19.360 --> 1:58:21.200 was told to tell me, if you think if do 1:58:21.280 --> 1:58:23.920 you think that guy should have scored a touchdown. It's 1:58:23.960 --> 1:58:26.240 so hard. You take pictures and like it's like, yeah, 1:58:26.760 --> 1:58:29.640 he's still he still should I was told there would 1:58:29.680 --> 1:58:33.280 be no math Monday night football. Justin Herbert is the 1:58:33.360 --> 1:58:35.120 man in l A for the one and three Los 1:58:35.160 --> 1:58:37.840 Angeles Chargers, and this week they'll head to New Orleans 1:58:37.880 --> 1:58:39.680 to face one of the all time greats and Drew 1:58:39.760 --> 1:58:42.480 Brees and the two and two Saints. No Michael Thomas, 1:58:42.760 --> 1:58:45.760 he sucked a teammate during practice this week. Who you 1:58:45.880 --> 1:58:49.960 got in the Superdome tonight? I'm taking the Saint. I 1:58:50.000 --> 1:58:52.360 think it's gonna be close. I think Herbert's gonna play well. 1:58:52.480 --> 1:58:55.040 By the way, good Ford Sean Payton, that must have 1:58:55.120 --> 1:58:56.960 been a nasty fight. Because you've got Tony, You've been 1:58:56.960 --> 1:59:01.920 around practice fights. Somebody must have punched he must Did 1:59:02.360 --> 1:59:04.440 it go the question I have? Did it go into 1:59:04.480 --> 1:59:07.600 the locker room afterwards? And that's where the punch happened? 1:59:08.080 --> 1:59:11.120 Because I'm gonna go the practice field. Yeah, I mean, 1:59:11.360 --> 1:59:13.760 I've been involved in the fights when I've been on teams. 1:59:13.760 --> 1:59:15.280 When the fight goes into the locker room and all 1:59:15.280 --> 1:59:17.760 of a sudden, guys are gonna whack what team, Tony, 1:59:17.960 --> 1:59:20.680 what team? What team? Tell us more. I'm not gonna 1:59:20.720 --> 1:59:23.640 I'm not gonna tell you more. Um, but it must 1:59:23.680 --> 1:59:26.600 have been bad because typically coaches don't suspend a guy 1:59:26.800 --> 1:59:30.480 for a fight on the practice fields. Gone, he must 1:59:30.480 --> 1:59:32.720 have been out of control. I'm gonna pick the sins too, 1:59:33.000 --> 1:59:35.560 but I think it's really close. I think my biggest 1:59:35.560 --> 1:59:37.760 concern about the charges no Joey Bosto, or at least 1:59:37.760 --> 1:59:39.400 it's questionable. I don't know if he's gonna play night. 1:59:39.440 --> 1:59:42.320 That's gonna hurt him. All right, See you next week, Tony. 1:59:42.360 --> 1:59:45.960 We'll talk to you, Pete Prisco, Tony Boselli. I'm j P. Shadrick. 1:59:46.000 --> 1:59:48.200 Will catch you next week. Jaguars Happy Hour on the 1:59:48.280 --> 1:59:49.760 Jaguars Digital Network