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Speaker 1: Hey, y'all, welcome back to our next episode of I

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Speaker 1: Have Some Thoughts, our pop culture podcast where we are

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Speaker 1: talking about all the hot topics talking that are happening

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Speaker 1: in pop culture, but of course from a mental health

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Speaker 1: leans and I am again today joined Bybria, our production assistant.

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Speaker 1: How are you, Riya?

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Speaker 2: I'm good.

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Speaker 1: I'm good, good, Very excited to see you again and

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Speaker 1: to hear what is on our list for today.

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Speaker 2: Yes, lots to talk about. So first things first, we

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Speaker 2: have Scary Movie six. So, after thirteen years since the

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Speaker 2: last film, Scary Movie franchise is back. Did you see

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Speaker 2: the movie first?

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Speaker 1: I did not. I feel like maybe I saw the

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Speaker 1: first one, but I definitely have not seen two through five.

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Speaker 2: Okay, okay, Well, Scary Movie six hit theaters this past weekend.

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Speaker 2: It launched at number one on the box office. It

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Speaker 2: opened out one hundred and five point five million dollars worldwide,

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Speaker 2: and it's now bigger than actually every other movie in

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Speaker 2: the franchise. However, a few days before the official premiere,

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Speaker 2: the movie debuted on Rotten Tomatoes and it had a

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Speaker 2: thirty two percent score from early viewers. Now, I feel

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Speaker 2: like when it comes to black movies, especially the recent ones,

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Speaker 2: we've seen a lot of contrast between like critical reviews

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Speaker 2: and audience love for a movie, and it sparked a

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Speaker 2: lot of conversations online about why projects that resonate with

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Speaker 2: black audiences are often judged differently by mainstream critics. So

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Speaker 2: we saw something similar with Union Tuscany, with Hallie Bailey

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Speaker 2: and Riggage on Page earlier this year, where studios were

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Speaker 2: really looking at that film to determine the future of

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Speaker 2: black rom coms. Last year it was Sinners. It was

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Speaker 2: like out for two days and everyone's not probably yet,

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Speaker 2: and then can you give it some time? So why

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Speaker 2: does black entertainment have to prove its value in ways

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Speaker 2: that other forms of entertainment don't.

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Speaker 1: Oh, this is so frustrating because it feels like, I mean,

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Speaker 1: we had this conversation on the podcast right around like

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Speaker 1: You Me and Tuscany, and like this idea that, like people,

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Speaker 1: the studios are waiting on like one film to indicate

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Speaker 1: the success of everything after, And it just feels every

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Speaker 1: time there is a new movie, the goalpost continues to move,

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Speaker 1: and I just think it's so unfair. But I mean,

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Speaker 1: it largely happens because we are not the ones in

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Speaker 1: power in Hollywood.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: Of course, there are some people who are doing big

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Speaker 1: things like Will Packer and Tyler Perry, and people who

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Speaker 1: have the resources that could do their own things. But

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Speaker 1: largely I think many of the people who are making

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Speaker 1: films are at the back and call of other people

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Speaker 1: who don't necessarily look like us, right, And so I

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Speaker 1: think it is the process of continuing to have to

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Speaker 1: prove yourself, even though the last five have proved themselves, right,

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Speaker 1: and the fact that like A six got made indicated

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Speaker 1: it's not your thing, right, So I think that the

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Speaker 1: success of the previous films and clearly the success of

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Speaker 1: this one indicates that there is definitely a market for it,

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Speaker 1: even if it is just the hate watch, right, like

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, And then like I feel like I see

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Speaker 2: They feel very passionate about their work and part of

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Speaker 2: But ultimately people do work hard towards those like Grammys,

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Speaker 2: those Oscars, those Emmys, and things of that nature. So

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Speaker 2: why do ratings and awards and my critical acclaim hold

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Speaker 2: also how the artists are creating too.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I think it's largely how we're socialized. Right,

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Speaker 1: if we are not a part of the industry, and

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Speaker 2: Cre That's so true because I think that even a

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Speaker 2: for example. So that's so true, right, So our next topic,

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Speaker 2: We're actually going to go back to Lotto. So a

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Speaker 2: few weeks ago on I have some thoughts. We discussed

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Speaker 2: really good conversation about how sometimes women the pressure to

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Speaker 2: It hit her much harder than she expected. Now, a

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Speaker 2: lot of people completely understand this, because obviously pregnancy puts

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Speaker 1: I don't know that there's any of it that you

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Speaker 1: can't exact, honestley. And you know, I think people kind

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Speaker 1: More from our conversation after the break.

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Speaker 2: And then we have Russell Wilson who had announced his retirement.

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Speaker 2: So this past week, Russell Wilson shared via Instagram that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that. Take a break and recalibrate, and

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Speaker 2: then let's see exactly Thanks exactly, Well that was our

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Speaker 1: Perfect another round of excellent topics. Thank you so much

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