1 00:00:02,800 --> 00:00:05,280 Speaker 1: The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 2 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:14,000 Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. Cowboys This is Mediamash, 3 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:18,320 Speaker 1: a roundtable of Cowboys insiders, drumping wisdom and offering sizzling 4 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:21,560 Speaker 1: takes on the current state of your Dallas Cowboys. 5 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 2: Now your host, Newie Scrugs. 6 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:33,880 Speaker 3: Media Mash, the Mini Camp Edition, Mandatory Mini Camp Editions, 7 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 3: Why I'm here coming to you till we got four 8 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:38,880 Speaker 3: guys from the Star in Frisco, The SBC podcast. 9 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:39,839 Speaker 4: Do you have new Scrugs and. 10 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 3: Shaq Taylor's word, there's Nick Harris bringing you cowboy takes 11 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:44,519 Speaker 3: here by. 12 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:48,479 Speaker 4: The way, in case you didn't check your Twitter. Okay, 13 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 4: are you kidding? Let's not check our Twitter. 14 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 2: You want another Emmy? 15 00:00:55,320 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 5: No, they will, No Nick one an Emmy up for one. 16 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 3: August nineteenth, Finally Netflix is going to release that whole 17 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 3: Jerry Jones documentary because remember they followed around for two 18 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:10,679 Speaker 3: years and they're all here, so finally they now have 19 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 3: it ready to go. So August nineteenth, America's team, the 20 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 3: Gambler and his Cowboys and aren't burial Edwarder and Rick 21 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:21,319 Speaker 3: Gozlan friend, they're Hall of Famers, Hall of Famer. 22 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:24,039 Speaker 4: Yeah, they've been interviewed for this. Can you give us 23 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 4: any sneak peek anything. 24 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 5: They were primarily interested in our involvement, direct involvement in 25 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:38,399 Speaker 5: the Orlando incident in which Jerry said some very public, 26 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 5: very demeaning things about Jimmy Johnson immediately after they'd won 27 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 5: back to back Super Bowls that ultimately led to the 28 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 5: demise of that partnership prematurely. How premature it was, nobody knows, 29 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 5: but I think Jimmy would have coached one more year 30 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:55,560 Speaker 5: for the chance to win three Super Bowls in a row. 31 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 5: But they were very interested in that, and I was 32 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 5: interested in doing it because I had heard that the 33 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 5: version as I remember thirty some years ago, was not 34 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 5: exactly the version Jerry, which so I felt it was 35 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 5: important for the sake of accuracy that Rick and I 36 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:19,239 Speaker 5: participate in that. And you know, the whole thing began 37 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 5: when we were walking out of the bar late that night, 38 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:26,120 Speaker 5: and a group of about a dozen sports writers drinking 39 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:28,679 Speaker 5: at a table near where Jerry was drinking with Larry 40 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 5: lace Well started had been reduced to about four people, 41 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 5: and we went to walk out to the elevator to 42 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 5: go to our respective rooms. And Jerry grabbed me by 43 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:41,959 Speaker 5: the pants leg and said, you don't want to you 44 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:43,360 Speaker 5: don't want to leave now, and I said why not? 45 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:45,359 Speaker 5: He said, you're going to miss the story of the year. 46 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 5: And I said, what's the story of the year And 47 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 5: he said, I'm going to fire that blankety blankety blankety 48 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 5: blankety blankety blankety Jimmy Johnson. And so I felt like 49 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 5: we should sit down and have another beer with the man. 50 00:02:56,960 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 6: I can attest that that storyline is very important to 51 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:01,679 Speaker 6: that Netflix show because two years ago we were in Carolina. 52 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:04,800 Speaker 6: This is twenty twenty three, and that press conference has 53 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 6: happened and the game has already started. We're trying to 54 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 6: get back up to the to the press bucks and 55 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 6: all the Netflix cameras are coming through watch out where 56 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 6: with Netflix, we need to get the elevators. 57 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 7: Like we're working to guys like. 58 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 8: F off, Yeah, that's the proper answer. 59 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:18,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, well that's what they did. They were that's exactly 60 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 4: what we did. Yeah, that's exactly what we did, and 61 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 4: and like we don't work for you, we don't. We're like, 62 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 4: oh you have a job, Yeah I do too. We 63 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 4: gotta be upset, Yeah, we don't care. 64 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 5: Well, maybe maybe that maybe we will get some sense 65 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 5: of why that decision was announced in such a weird 66 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 5: fashion on the road. It's seemingly like a haphazard production 67 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 5: of announcing Jimmy Johnson's going in uh to the Ring 68 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 5: of Honor. 69 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 3: Finally, as it was interrupted since it was playing. It 70 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 3: was playing, and so it was during the nfl FA 71 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 3: show with Jimmy's a part of So they made the 72 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 3: announcement there. Then they held the press conference before the game, 73 00:03:56,600 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 3: game kicks off. 74 00:03:57,600 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 4: They're still talking. But to do it all on the 75 00:03:59,280 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 4: road made no sense. 76 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 7: That's so weird. 77 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 5: I had and Jimmy had been told so many times 78 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 5: that that Jerry was going to put him in that 79 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 5: he came not to became to the point where he 80 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 5: doubted it would ever really happen. 81 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, I remember when I sat with Jerry at training 82 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 3: camp the year before and said, Jerry, this is petty. 83 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:22,799 Speaker 3: Jerry got a little upset and he said it wasn't 84 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:25,360 Speaker 3: his job to worry about putting Jimmy Johnson in sniveling. 85 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 3: It's not matter. It doesn't matter Jimmy sniveling or not. 86 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:29,599 Speaker 3: And then Kala Shaw comes the next day. It writes 87 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:32,159 Speaker 3: a column off the off the sniveling thing. But this 88 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 3: is my theory. This is just my theory about that 89 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 3: whole day in Charlotte. 90 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 4: They needed an ending. What's the best ending? 91 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:44,480 Speaker 6: You could have doing it in New he scruggs his homestate. 92 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 6: That's the best ending. 93 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 9: And they could have been like the Sopriano could have 94 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 9: faded to black, but full circle tied together. 95 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 3: Now, what's the worst thing that could happen? That's It's 96 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:55,159 Speaker 3: always been one of the things I thought. The worst 97 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 3: thing could happen is if Jimmy passed away and he 98 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:00,159 Speaker 3: never got in the ring on in Jerry's. 99 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 4: Or if this series was done without Jerry making it 100 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:05,719 Speaker 4: right with Jimmy. Isn't it a beautiful thing? How do 101 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:08,720 Speaker 4: you make how do you make yourself the hero? Mister 102 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:11,720 Speaker 4: magnanimous boy? I should I should do this. 103 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:14,159 Speaker 5: I forgot I forgive him for everything he did to 104 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 5: me and my franchise. 105 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:20,359 Speaker 4: Dammy, giv you know you's wrong, But I come on 106 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 4: in anyway. Just it may, but it should be fascinating 107 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:24,360 Speaker 4: the whole thing. 108 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:26,799 Speaker 3: Because he had said at training him nobody was getting 109 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 3: in that year and it was not playing, and all 110 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:31,280 Speaker 3: of a sudden it's gonna happen on December thirty to 111 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 3: find out. 112 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 4: And it was October November when. 113 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 7: We found out, Charlotte, that was November. 114 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 4: Yeh, yeah, it was November, right before Thanksgiving. 115 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:38,480 Speaker 3: And then all of a sudden, it used you less 116 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:39,840 Speaker 3: than a month to go ahead and put him in 117 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 3: there at the final home game, so which you know, 118 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 3: heck of a game. Heck of a game that day. 119 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 3: So interesting stuff. So anyway, it's coming out here. We'll 120 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 3: be able to check it all out in August August 121 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 3: nineteen Netflix. 122 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 4: I can't wait. They do a good job. They do, 123 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:56,920 Speaker 4: They do a good job if it's In. 124 00:05:56,839 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 5: Fact, I was not sure I wanted to participate in 125 00:05:59,839 --> 00:06:03,359 Speaker 5: it initially when asked because I felt like, and this 126 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 5: is the point i made to them, like the most 127 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 5: valuable thing I'd taken away personally from my thirty plus 128 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:15,159 Speaker 5: years of covering this team was that night and what happened, 129 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 5: specifically because I was involved directly in the story, like 130 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 5: there's never been a part of a story like this before. 131 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:26,479 Speaker 5: No coach has ever left an organization at by decree 132 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:29,920 Speaker 5: of the owner after winning back to back Super Bowls 133 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:33,159 Speaker 5: and to have had a first hand role in the 134 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:35,480 Speaker 5: whole thing. I mean, I didn't participate in the decision, 135 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 5: but I saw it all play out in a way 136 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:40,280 Speaker 5: that only me and Rick Goslin for the most part, 137 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:42,279 Speaker 5: so saw it play out because the other two guys 138 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 5: we got rid. 139 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 8: Of, and you coushed him to say, I don't mean 140 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 8: we killed. 141 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:48,480 Speaker 4: But we did. We didn't move them. We didn't kill him, 142 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 4: but we would have. 143 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:52,599 Speaker 6: We would have if we'd had to the pond. 144 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 5: But all the things that happened in the immediate aftermath 145 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 5: of that were part of this whole thing too that 146 00:06:57,920 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 5: I don't think anybody knows it. So if I was 147 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:02,279 Speaker 5: ever going to do a book, nobody reads books anymore, 148 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 5: nobody pays writers to write books anymore. But I was 149 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 5: ever going to do a book, that would probably be 150 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 5: the most interesting part of the book. And am I 151 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 5: just gonna give it to Netflix? Why you can still 152 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 5: do it? 153 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 4: Though? Still do the book? You can still do it. 154 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 3: And plus you're you haven't seen what their version is 155 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 3: going to be, right, because there's always different versions of 156 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 3: the stories. 157 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 9: You already said, Hey, no, there's a there's a Jimmy perspective, 158 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 9: there's a Jerry perspective, there's a Ricking perspective. 159 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 3: How many books have we seen about the Civil War 160 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 3: written about Lincoln Michael right, right, So there's always another 161 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 3: perspective of another view. 162 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 5: So, and it was interesting yesterday at Mini Camp, the 163 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 5: first day at Mini Caamp, I was I was standing 164 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 5: there and somebody in the organization came by and said, 165 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 5: I'm keeping an eye on interviews you would Ritt Goslin 166 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 5: do together? And I said, what does that mean? If 167 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:56,040 Speaker 5: you screamed the Netflix? If they like, do you have 168 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 5: editorial influence in this project? 169 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 4: They claim they don't. They claim that Netflix is making 170 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 4: all of the decisions whatever. 171 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 2: Believe exactly. 172 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, you go, let Netflix come in here and just 173 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 3: just just poor gasoline all on. 174 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 4: You know, I got it. 175 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 3: It's very interesting because were you even born, Nick? Okay, yeah, Nick, wasn't. 176 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 7: I don't think my mother graduated high school, to be honest. 177 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 4: Wow, that's that's the fun part about these stories, Nick, 178 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 4: you miss a lot, but I love hearing it, hearing 179 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 4: story time, story time with those who are here. So 180 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 4: there's way more to Jerry than that. Yes, and but 181 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:36,679 Speaker 4: you know before you were born. 182 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 5: Uh, did you know that these guys were actually good? 183 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:42,719 Speaker 5: It's like that they Yeah, they were dominated postseason. 184 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, like they won rings a whole so I've heard. 185 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, So what's upon a time emmett led the league 186 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 3: in rushing and they won a super Bowl and and 187 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:55,000 Speaker 3: then his contract was up and Jerry played hardball. And 188 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 3: it made me think, as we were in the locker 189 00:08:56,960 --> 00:09:00,440 Speaker 3: room earlier today, there's another player who's really good that 190 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 3: Jerry's playing hardball with, named Micah Parsons. 191 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 5: And he hasn't so far said two hundred guys could 192 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 5: rush the passer in this defense. 193 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:12,840 Speaker 4: I hadn't said that yet. Or five hundred, yeah, or 194 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 4: five hundred. 195 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:15,200 Speaker 9: So no, has he decided to go to first two 196 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 9: games without him? 197 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 4: True? True? 198 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:23,720 Speaker 5: And I doubt as far as we know. 199 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:26,080 Speaker 2: George Seifford one city. No, he was saying talking about 200 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:26,680 Speaker 2: Jimmy's brass. 201 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 4: Yes, Jimmy's brass. 202 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:29,440 Speaker 2: Yes again, no about that either. 203 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 7: I talked. 204 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:33,720 Speaker 2: Glory Days was early nighties baby. 205 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 4: Yes, Yes, they were good, they were good. The ping 206 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 4: pong label was getting from working in the locker room today. 207 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 7: Yeah, you have a ping pong table the nineties, get 208 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 7: out of here. 209 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:42,559 Speaker 4: Knew it. 210 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 9: We had one on the Uh when do we have 211 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:46,959 Speaker 9: the ping pong table? 212 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 2: Was that after Parcess. 213 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 4: Everything like that. 214 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 5: Either Parcels ain't having no ping pong tables? 215 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 2: Who had the ping pong table? 216 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:58,840 Speaker 4: That seems like a way type thing. Dave Campo, Campo 217 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 4: chan Gaily, one of those guys had I'll tell you 218 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:04,839 Speaker 4: who it wasn't. 219 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 5: Jimmy Johnson and Bill Parcells and Mike McCarthy. 220 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 3: There you go, There you go. Mike is here doesn't 221 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:19,079 Speaker 3: have the contract. How much do we look at Jerry 222 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 3: Jones and and him his management knowing he's going to 223 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:26,680 Speaker 3: get this deal done, but you're trying to put a 224 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:31,679 Speaker 3: new defense in. I'm still trying to just understand. Haven't 225 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:36,479 Speaker 3: we learned anything from Dak Prescott and Ceedee Lambs. 226 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 4: I'm perplexed. I still don't know why. 227 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:42,319 Speaker 9: I'm perplexed, because there's no penance for doing what you do. 228 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:45,839 Speaker 9: There's no penalty. You are the head chief and bottle 229 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:48,080 Speaker 9: Washington the phrase, so there's. 230 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 2: No penance for whatever you do. Whatever you do is 231 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:50,200 Speaker 2: all good. 232 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:53,440 Speaker 5: So here's what I here's what I remember about Jerry's 233 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 5: stance on all this, and like he's very resolute about 234 00:10:56,800 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 5: the fact that it doesn't matter when I pay these guys, right, 235 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 5: I don't know how he justifies that it saves him 236 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 5: money because it never has. But like last year, when dat, 237 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 5: I mean, your quarterback signs on the day you're kicking 238 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:12,320 Speaker 5: off the season, Like if he'd waited any longer, he'd 239 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 5: had to have, you know, McCarthy call a timeout and 240 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:17,480 Speaker 5: run down during the first quarter and sign him during 241 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 5: the time out. 242 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 4: But even after the. 243 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 5: Season, even after CD missed everything last year at this 244 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 5: time and in training camp at the end of the season, 245 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:29,440 Speaker 5: Jerry still denied that that had anything to do that 246 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 5: his abs has had anything to do with the problems 247 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 5: that they had initially on offense. So you can't convince 248 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 5: like both the players said it did, and yet Jerry 249 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:39,080 Speaker 5: insists that it didn't. 250 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 4: And so there's no reasoning with him on this. 251 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 9: Because he's comfortable with ambiguity. Everybody's not comfortable with ambiguity. 252 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 6: The issue from our perspective with Micah specifically, is that 253 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 6: you're dealing with two very good salesmen. You're dealing with 254 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 6: Jerry Jones and you're dealing with David Mulligta, and it's 255 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 6: two people that are really is who the agent is? 256 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 6: Apparently that's uh how to look that one up. These 257 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:02,199 Speaker 6: are two people who have history of being able to 258 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 6: shape narratives and say as they please. So I am 259 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 6: very curious to see what Jerry has to say in 260 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 6: response to what Mike I had yesterday. Being it was 261 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 6: my question, I asked, Okay, you said it's in the 262 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:12,839 Speaker 6: owner's hands, so are you waiting on the phone call? 263 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:14,720 Speaker 6: And he's like, yeah, he has to get the green light. 264 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 6: It's in the owner's hands. So I want to go 265 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:18,720 Speaker 6: to Jerry and be like, so is it as simple 266 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:20,320 Speaker 6: as you just need to call Michael, you just need 267 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:21,960 Speaker 6: to call David? Or is there more to it? Are 268 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:23,960 Speaker 6: they not answering that phone call? Is there a phone 269 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:25,960 Speaker 6: call that they are waiting on from TJ. Watt, from 270 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 6: Trey Hendrick? So how does that go? 271 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 9: Hey, the player controls all of this because the agent 272 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 9: works for the player. Just like if you sell in 273 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 9: the house, the real estate agent works for you. And 274 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 9: at a certain point, if your house hasn't moved, price 275 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 9: it to sell it today, you know within reason. So 276 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:44,720 Speaker 9: if Michael wants to move and he can say, hey, David, 277 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 9: let's get it going. U go make it happen, and 278 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 9: David'll be like, no, we need bro, I'm trying to 279 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:53,280 Speaker 9: get it done. Let's go make it happen. But so 280 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:56,560 Speaker 9: many times players forget that they worked for agents. I 281 00:12:56,559 --> 00:12:58,560 Speaker 9: mean that they that they employed the agent, and the 282 00:12:58,640 --> 00:12:59,959 Speaker 9: agent does what you ask him to do. 283 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 5: But they're also influenced by like the players Union, like 284 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 5: they want this to be a record deal. Sure you know, 285 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 5: I mean, and the players usually feel like they have 286 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:13,560 Speaker 5: some obligation to do that for those who are going 287 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:16,680 Speaker 5: to follow them. If they have the leverage that Mica 288 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:19,440 Speaker 5: seems to have right now, that Dacus so effectively, that 289 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:22,920 Speaker 5: CDU so effectively, That don't mean that you can't say, hey. 290 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:24,960 Speaker 2: David, let's go get it done. That just means you 291 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:27,680 Speaker 2: go say make the call and start the conversation. 292 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 4: I just look at You've. 293 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:35,080 Speaker 3: Got a new head coach who's unproven, never done this before, 294 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 3: got a defensive coordinator's trying to put in a new systems, 295 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 3: the third straight defensive coordinator you've got here. You saw 296 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:44,959 Speaker 3: some of the issues that last year Mike Zimmer spoke 297 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 3: about toward the end of the season, things he wished 298 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 3: he would have done to try to put these coaches 299 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 3: in a better position and the player in a better position. 300 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 4: It would be hoopy to sign him. 301 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:56,720 Speaker 3: And that's me thinking about just what they said last 302 00:13:56,800 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 3: year CD lamb adak. 303 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:01,520 Speaker 4: These guys were here. That's the I'm perplexed. I don't 304 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 4: I don't get well. 305 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:06,679 Speaker 5: I guess we should commend Michael Parsons for doing what 306 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 5: Trey Hendrickson's not doing and what TJ. 307 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 4: Watt's not doing. 308 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:14,240 Speaker 5: They're both trying to create leverage by withholding services and 309 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 5: Mike could have certainly done that. He chose not to, 310 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 5: even though they are I mean, he's been challenged right 311 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 5: to be a leader, and he's kind of showing Jerry. 312 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 5: I'm surrendering leverage here because I am participating in this 313 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 5: offseason as everybody learns this new defense. I am having 314 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 5: conversations with my new teammates about what it takes to succeed, 315 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 5: you know, at this level in the NFL. He could 316 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 5: be withholding all of that and he's not. 317 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 4: Well. 318 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 3: It is fascinating, and I think we're all in agreements 319 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:48,120 Speaker 3: going to get done because Jerry doesn't lose players he wants. 320 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:49,960 Speaker 4: Except for de Marcus Ware. 321 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 7: Jordan Lewis, I disagree with you. I'm Jordan Lewis, both okay, you. 322 00:14:57,200 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 4: Didn't want the Marcus Ware. 323 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 5: I think there were other people who didn't want DeMarcus 324 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:04,320 Speaker 5: Ware and didn't think he was worth the money at 325 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 5: that time, coming off all the injuries. I think Jerry 326 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 5: would have signed DeMarcus Ware if it had been. 327 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 4: Up to him. Exclusively, He and ultimately he makes a 328 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 4: final decision. I know he and I were at Toys 329 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:15,800 Speaker 4: r Uss. 330 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 3: Jerry, are you and DeMarcus de Marcus Toys r User? 331 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 7: So it has been a long time, Yes, yes it was. 332 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 4: It was they've done bank. Yes, they have been open 333 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 4: since I've been born. 334 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 3: Yes, see what happens when you're about five? 335 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 4: See what happens when you paid DeMarcus Ware. 336 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 3: He we both talked about he was he was anticipating 337 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 3: I'm gonna be back, and he was literally, don't I 338 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:41,160 Speaker 3: don't know if anybody's gonna sign I don't know. 339 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 4: He was. 340 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 3: He was worried about his career, like, you know what, 341 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:47,200 Speaker 3: what what will happen to me? 342 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:48,080 Speaker 2: Nothing? 343 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 4: I said, Yeah, somebody's going. Then you got a call 344 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:51,800 Speaker 4: from Peyton Manning. 345 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, one wh went on what got got paid, won 346 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:57,200 Speaker 3: a Super Bowl and helped Von Miller turn his career. 347 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:03,280 Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, he's in the Hall of Fame. So but yeah, no, 348 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 4: there were there were. 349 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 3: That's an interesting call because there were definitely some people 350 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 3: who thought he's over priced, he's injured, and the same 351 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 3: thing happened to Tea Knew later on and who went 352 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 3: on to become a dude who lasted forever. It seemed 353 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:17,240 Speaker 3: like so mistakes had been made around here, states have 354 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:20,800 Speaker 3: been made so. 355 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 5: So, but generally that statement is accurate. He very rarely 356 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 5: does anybody leave this organization that Jerry truly values. All right, 357 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 5: let's get some UHT for Jimmy. 358 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 4: But he did did that. I did the whole first 359 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 4: full circle thing, just like flix. Jimmy made Jerry do it. 360 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 3: Uh, when we come back, some mandatory mini camp notes 361 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 3: from the fellas here, we'll do that. 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We're training camp, so 414 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:03,680 Speaker 3: so I've got to get it all in mandatory media camp. 415 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:05,840 Speaker 3: Maybe we got Jack Taylor got it murder, there's ny 416 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:08,680 Speaker 3: Caris I am new He Scruggs all right. 417 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 4: Media camp notes that you've seen here so far. 418 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:13,560 Speaker 6: Start with you, Nick, Yeah, we could start with MICA's 419 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:16,080 Speaker 6: participation today, specifically put the helmet on. 420 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:17,840 Speaker 7: After talking to Jerry Jones yesterday. 421 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 6: He put the helmet on today and participated in individual drills, 422 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 6: and then once the team drills started he backed off 423 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 6: a little bit. But talking about some other guys, it's 424 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 6: we've seen a lot of George Pickens in these last 425 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:29,800 Speaker 6: couple of days. During many camp or excuse me, during 426 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 6: OTA's I think it was more of a situation of 427 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 6: them working him in seeing how he would respond if 428 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 6: targets were going elsewhere. But we've really seen the target 429 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:39,480 Speaker 6: share for number three get picked up over the course 430 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 6: of the last couple of days. 431 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 7: That's been good to see. 432 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:43,680 Speaker 6: One thing that stood out to me today was a 433 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 6: Dak Prescott to Jake Ferguson touchdown on a seam route. 434 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:49,640 Speaker 6: Jake Ferguson did talk about that in a locker room 435 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:52,360 Speaker 6: and said that's his favorite route. It's Dak's favorite route 436 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:55,240 Speaker 6: to throw, and those two didn't connect on it last 437 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:57,639 Speaker 6: year too much. Obviously did not connect on it for 438 00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:00,040 Speaker 6: a touchdown, but they did today, and so that that 439 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 6: is one thing that they're looking to translate into Brian 440 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:06,200 Speaker 6: Schottenheimer's offense. One defensive guy that just continues to stand out. 441 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:08,440 Speaker 6: He's had a registered pass break up and every single 442 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 6: media availability through OTAs and through Mini camp is a 443 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 6: cornerback Hyer Elam. 444 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:14,640 Speaker 4: Now, they can't really. 445 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:18,480 Speaker 6: Do a whole lot physicality wise during these off season settings, 446 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:20,000 Speaker 6: so you know, take it with a grain of salt, 447 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:22,399 Speaker 6: but I think it is notable that you you have 448 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 6: a setting where you cannot be as physical and there's 449 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 6: a guy registering a PBu every single timeout. So found 450 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:31,120 Speaker 6: that interesting for for Kyri Elam. 451 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:33,920 Speaker 5: To just kind of add to some of the US 452 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:38,199 Speaker 5: observations Nick just made, Uh, Mike watching Micah Parsons do 453 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:40,879 Speaker 5: some of the pass rush circuit and watching the guys 454 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:42,800 Speaker 5: they've Matt Eberflus. 455 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:45,920 Speaker 4: Has a ton of pass rush guys on this defense, 456 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 4: so Roku looks good. 457 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:49,680 Speaker 5: Yeah, just there's a bunch there's a bunch of the 458 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:52,399 Speaker 5: guys they you know, acquired and you know, either in 459 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 5: trades or through unrestricted free agency, who are veterans and 460 00:20:55,840 --> 00:21:00,400 Speaker 5: former number one picks, you know, Solomon, Thomas Turner. I mean, 461 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:02,680 Speaker 5: they've got a lot of guys there. I don't know, 462 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:06,359 Speaker 5: like you said, about the interior defensive line, that's the 463 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:08,480 Speaker 5: big question and that's not going to get answered until 464 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 5: late into training camp, preseason games, and the start of 465 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 5: the regular season whether they can defend the run inside. 466 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:19,639 Speaker 5: But I think those he's gonna have, they're gonna have 467 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:22,199 Speaker 5: a lot of options in terms of edge rushers. And 468 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:24,440 Speaker 5: then yeah, I mean the thing that impresses me most 469 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:27,840 Speaker 5: about George Pickens is he seems to know where to 470 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 5: line up all the time. Like I only saw once 471 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:34,000 Speaker 5: in two days where CD had him switch spots, and 472 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:36,080 Speaker 5: there were times where they're both on the same side 473 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:39,200 Speaker 5: of the formation and CD's in the slot. There's times 474 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:41,600 Speaker 5: where they're both on opposite sides and they're both in 475 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:44,720 Speaker 5: the slot. And Picking said today that he's being expected 476 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:46,959 Speaker 5: to learn, you know, all the receiver positions and move 477 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:49,639 Speaker 5: around just like Cede Lamb does. So that could be 478 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:52,280 Speaker 5: a really dynamic combination. I mean, I think these guys 479 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:53,800 Speaker 5: are going to score a lot of touchdowns this year. 480 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:57,200 Speaker 3: So I ended up talking to Elam in the locker 481 00:21:57,320 --> 00:22:00,840 Speaker 3: room as Well and asked, hey, what's kind of the 482 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:03,479 Speaker 3: big difference from from here in Buffalo? He's like, hey, 483 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:05,159 Speaker 3: you know I was there during training camp. I was 484 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 3: I had let them two years in a row in 485 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:09,600 Speaker 3: pass breakups. You guys out there getting it done. But 486 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:11,960 Speaker 3: the coaches kind of had some things that they wanted 487 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:13,639 Speaker 3: to do differently. But he said he felt like he 488 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:16,679 Speaker 3: had a real opportunity here in Shock. That made me 489 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:20,080 Speaker 3: kind of look towards this cornerback. Room's got a lot 490 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:22,680 Speaker 3: of questions in it right now. So there's an opportunity 491 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:25,080 Speaker 3: for him to show us. Whereas in training camp in July, 492 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:27,360 Speaker 3: and if Brian Schottenheimer lives at the way he talks 493 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 3: about one in competition, see where this thing goes from. 494 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:32,560 Speaker 8: That just smells like BS man, number one pick, you 495 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:33,639 Speaker 8: ain't get no opportunity. 496 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:36,000 Speaker 9: Come on, man, stop you from a defensive mind to 497 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:36,840 Speaker 9: head coach, stop you. 498 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:39,800 Speaker 5: And Well and Buffalo traded him and what did they? 499 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:41,880 Speaker 5: What did was there number one need in. 500 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:42,919 Speaker 4: The draft cornerback? 501 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 2: So it just didn't work out there. 502 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:49,719 Speaker 9: I buy that for whatever reason, here you have an opportunity. 503 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 2: So you could take you could take full advantage of it. 504 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:53,679 Speaker 2: Because they definitely need corners. 505 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:56,960 Speaker 9: I was, you know, I'm not surprised, but you know 506 00:22:57,040 --> 00:23:00,399 Speaker 9: why they're not sniffing around Gyr Alexander just to see 507 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 9: is there a fit. 508 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:02,440 Speaker 4: Because it's not cheap. 509 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:07,719 Speaker 5: You ain't you ain't you ain't paid Michael Parsons not 510 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 5: to mention all the games. 511 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:11,159 Speaker 2: You're trying to win games, you're trying to save money. 512 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:12,920 Speaker 4: I mean it's a position. 513 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:16,400 Speaker 9: And like we know, Michael go get done, so okay, fine, 514 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:20,080 Speaker 9: and you know, maybe giving his set of circumstances because 515 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:22,199 Speaker 9: he ain't played, but I think thirty four games in 516 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:26,440 Speaker 9: the last four years, you get a Stephan Gilmore's kind 517 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:28,720 Speaker 9: of why don't you come to the biggest, you know, 518 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:32,880 Speaker 9: biggest team in town, the biggest team in the hotlight 519 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:33,440 Speaker 9: on you? 520 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:36,359 Speaker 4: Is she better than Jalen Ramsey? I don't know. 521 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 3: Depends on who he is and what the cost the 522 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 3: cost is there, but cost for Ramsey is exorbitant. 523 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 2: And I mean this is. 524 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:44,240 Speaker 3: One where I go back to that Mickey used to 525 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:46,920 Speaker 3: always when I re sure. Mickey always talked about saying, 526 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:49,160 Speaker 3: you know, look at what, look at who's letting him 527 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:52,440 Speaker 3: go and why this is a playoff team in the 528 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:53,119 Speaker 3: Green Bay package. 529 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:55,479 Speaker 4: You've been there foreverything had men. Thanks, we're good, We're good. 530 00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:57,160 Speaker 4: And they invested the first round picking the guy. 531 00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:01,119 Speaker 9: Everybody let the everybody let go this year. There's some 532 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 9: reason why you're being let go. But some teams can 533 00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 9: be picky then others about who they want to add 534 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:09,480 Speaker 9: off the trash heap. And so I just said investigate. 535 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:11,920 Speaker 9: I just say, son, I like caught agent Hunch coming 536 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:14,200 Speaker 9: down here, take it out. You know, have some three forks, 537 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 9: you know, see Dee maci mcguiss. 538 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:18,480 Speaker 2: You know, see we can get a little text mix. 539 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:20,359 Speaker 2: I mean whatever, See, we can get something done. 540 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:23,600 Speaker 6: Circling back to the opportunity that Kyrie Elam has. Let's 541 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:25,760 Speaker 6: say he does have an opportunity week one, week two. 542 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 6: When Trayvon Digs comes back, that opportunity is gone. It's 543 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,720 Speaker 6: gonna be Trayvon Diggs dron Bland the slot. 544 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:32,920 Speaker 4: How many games is Bland missed? 545 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:35,280 Speaker 6: Yeah for sure, for sure. But what does that what 546 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:38,600 Speaker 6: does that opportunity look like? When seven is arriving, it's like, hey, 547 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,240 Speaker 6: thank you for your services, but you are reserved to 548 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 6: a reserve now again. 549 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:46,600 Speaker 8: I mean yes and no, you can make yourself. 550 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:50,160 Speaker 5: Bland can play the slot he's really Yeah, that's fair. 551 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:53,560 Speaker 5: If he's exceptional. When those two players are on the 552 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:56,159 Speaker 5: field and they're healthy and they're gonna play outside, I mean, 553 00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:57,240 Speaker 5: then Bland can move inside. 554 00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:58,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I mean. 555 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 8: You can make yourself a factor. 556 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:02,440 Speaker 2: But it's up to you, and you're not getting to 557 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:03,240 Speaker 2: befitted a doubt. 558 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:07,800 Speaker 9: But if you play so well, you can y'all figure 559 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 9: it out. 560 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 2: I'm here, I've been making it. I've been making to 561 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:10,439 Speaker 2: do what to do. 562 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:12,680 Speaker 5: I do disagree with one thing you said. Since I've 563 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:14,679 Speaker 5: been let go in my profession, I didn't think it 564 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:16,359 Speaker 5: was justified. There was any merit to it at all. 565 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:18,399 Speaker 5: So I disagree with you said there's a reason they 566 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:18,840 Speaker 5: got let go. 567 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:23,800 Speaker 3: But he was probably standing cap casualty, Like yes, the 568 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 3: writer once told me was there's his story. 569 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:31,160 Speaker 4: Their story is somewhere something like in the middle right anyway. 570 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:33,119 Speaker 2: To tah Yeah, yeah, okay. 571 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:36,080 Speaker 5: So but it's also possible in Elim's case that they 572 00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:38,960 Speaker 5: play they use them in a different way, Like they 573 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:41,240 Speaker 5: know what he couldn't do in Buffalo and how he 574 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:43,879 Speaker 5: got exploited in Buffalo, and so they can use him 575 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:47,200 Speaker 5: in a different way in their scheme. Whereas Buffalo maybe 576 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:49,639 Speaker 5: really Sean mcdermot's the head coach, he doesn't want to 577 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:51,159 Speaker 5: change his scheme to a comedy of player. 578 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:53,720 Speaker 2: That's all very true to me. 579 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:56,200 Speaker 3: This is just one of those And obviously they're they're 580 00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:58,960 Speaker 3: taking some chances on some guys here and trying to look, Hey, 581 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,640 Speaker 3: what can we find. I know when I go to camp, 582 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:03,800 Speaker 3: that'll be a player that I want to look at. See, okay, 583 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:07,480 Speaker 3: here it is what could happen? Just knowing that there's 584 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:11,280 Speaker 3: an opportunity in that room because things aren't set. Yes, 585 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:14,280 Speaker 3: yes Diggs is coming back, but we don't know what 586 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 3: he's going to be, where he's at and will. 587 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:19,720 Speaker 4: He be ready for Philadelphia? Will be ready for the seconds? 588 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 5: You didn't look like the same guy when he came 589 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:24,240 Speaker 5: off his previous knee injury, let alone now a second one, 590 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,359 Speaker 5: and that was what more a complex one? 591 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:27,240 Speaker 4: Right, right? 592 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:30,879 Speaker 3: So we don't know. And in a seventeen game season 593 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:34,359 Speaker 3: with this schedule some of the you see some receivers 594 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:36,600 Speaker 3: on the schedule, baby, and. 595 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:37,960 Speaker 5: If they're thinking they want to get out of this 596 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:39,960 Speaker 5: contract at the end of the year, if they could 597 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:43,199 Speaker 5: easily give you an opportunity that that digs what otherwise 598 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:45,440 Speaker 5: aren't And you. 599 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:48,040 Speaker 4: And I are thinking right there, right there, you know. 600 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:51,800 Speaker 6: I'm getting also the last deals us the last year 601 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:54,000 Speaker 6: on Elam's deal. So if they did get that opportunity, 602 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:55,640 Speaker 6: they'd still to pay somebody at the end of the day. 603 00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 3: But you know how much you pay and how he 604 00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:01,400 Speaker 3: pays a whole lot, I mean for sure, And you've 605 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 3: done this long enough to know there if Elam has 606 00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:07,879 Speaker 3: a good year and he feels good here, he. 607 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:09,800 Speaker 8: Go back to the team to offer him the most money. 608 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:10,360 Speaker 4: Look at. 609 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:14,240 Speaker 3: There was a guy that I you know, they got that. 610 00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:18,119 Speaker 3: So so there's a possibility. And just if you're comfortable, 611 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:21,760 Speaker 3: especially just if you felt like, man, there's issues in 612 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:23,720 Speaker 3: Buffalo that didn't go right, and you feel like things 613 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:24,560 Speaker 3: are good around. 614 00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:26,600 Speaker 5: Here, and there are unique circumstances here and the coaches 615 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:27,119 Speaker 5: believe in you. 616 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,960 Speaker 4: Again, no state taxes. I could see them getting a 617 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 4: deal done with him. 618 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:33,600 Speaker 3: And you know Bland is up too, So I mean 619 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:36,399 Speaker 3: there's between I mean, there's so many guys that they 620 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:39,439 Speaker 3: got to think about contract. Well, everybody can't stay first, 621 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:41,760 Speaker 3: it's gonna be up. Bland is going to be up here. 622 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,120 Speaker 3: Tyler Smith is getting he's getting the point where they're 623 00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:45,960 Speaker 3: gonna have to make him because he's gonna get paid 624 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:46,560 Speaker 3: high numbers. 625 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:48,840 Speaker 4: Here, there's decisions. 626 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:50,720 Speaker 3: There are decisions to be made, and then when you 627 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:52,840 Speaker 3: talk about Diggs's contract, you got to see the juice 628 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:54,840 Speaker 3: worts to squeeze there as you're trying to figure this 629 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:59,439 Speaker 3: thing out. So there their money becomes and Pickins Pickens 630 00:27:59,560 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 3: is up. 631 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:03,720 Speaker 6: I mean, Brandon Aubrey, it's gonna be the highest paid 632 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:04,399 Speaker 6: kicker contract. 633 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:07,640 Speaker 8: But you know you're dismissive with the kicker right there. 634 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:10,480 Speaker 3: No no, no nouse to me. That's that's probably easy. 635 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:12,080 Speaker 3: Francise got that. 636 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 7: That is the easy one. 637 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:20,560 Speaker 3: We got you, Franceise tag on that one, gotchas. 638 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:20,760 Speaker 5: Unless you could work out to deal with him during 639 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:22,360 Speaker 5: the year and use the tag. 640 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:25,359 Speaker 2: For you'd rather use the tag on something more valuable. Kicker. 641 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,320 Speaker 6: Nothing's more valuable with him, though he did just change 642 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:31,680 Speaker 6: his agent to Todd France Prescott, so not that long ago. 643 00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:32,879 Speaker 2: He's ben take him to the wish. 644 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:38,560 Speaker 5: Todd Francis record against his front office undisputed. 645 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:44,960 Speaker 4: Like Dolphins about first about Butt Wising, he's undefeated mill 646 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:45,520 Speaker 4: so far. 647 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:47,760 Speaker 5: We're only doing the last show until training cap if 648 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:49,640 Speaker 5: we keep talking like this, we might be doing the 649 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:50,160 Speaker 5: last show. 650 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:54,240 Speaker 4: Look, these aren't things. 651 00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:02,560 Speaker 3: Chris Bean, nobody not a little shot the snipers being there, 652 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,160 Speaker 3: but some of these things, man, you know they as 653 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:09,760 Speaker 3: an organization, they they were talking about it because they've 654 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:11,960 Speaker 3: put it out here for us, and when you're in 655 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,800 Speaker 3: a salary cap era and you're thinking about that, you 656 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 3: have to talk about it. 657 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:17,840 Speaker 5: They truly don't have a long term commitment to any 658 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:19,960 Speaker 5: of these corners, as many as they seem to have. 659 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,160 Speaker 5: And that's a position I don't think anybody here feels 660 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,840 Speaker 5: certainty about in terms of it being what they need. 661 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,400 Speaker 3: As we get ready for training because mandatory mini campus 662 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:32,760 Speaker 3: this week, then they're off for break than they in 663 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,440 Speaker 3: late late July head to Oxnar, California, and we come back. 664 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:38,120 Speaker 3: What's one player you're really going to be looking for 665 00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:39,680 Speaker 3: to see in training campus right now? 666 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:41,720 Speaker 4: It's the other ware. 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But other than that, it's great. 717 00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,320 Speaker 4: When you see them bringing the truck in and they're 718 00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:31,560 Speaker 4: putting the fish in the seafog, you're like, oh, yes, yes, 719 00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:34,680 Speaker 4: one of the twenty five best seafood shocks voted in America. 720 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:36,880 Speaker 4: All Right, Jack Taylor, the Hall of. 721 00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,239 Speaker 3: Famer, where soon be Hall of Famer Nick Harris. By 722 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:40,760 Speaker 3: the way, jaqu'es working on the book. One day, he'll 723 00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:42,640 Speaker 3: tell exactly what it is. But it's big time stuff, 724 00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:44,280 Speaker 3: I know because he's working on something here. So I 725 00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:47,040 Speaker 3: can't wait, can't wait, under coverings in the lab all 726 00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:49,239 Speaker 3: the time, working on the book here. All right, when 727 00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:53,200 Speaker 3: we get to training camp, one player, okay, one player 728 00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:54,440 Speaker 3: that you're going to keep your eye out on, that 729 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:57,200 Speaker 3: you're looking forward to seeing it, I'll start Tyler got 730 00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:02,680 Speaker 3: from me as everybody's yeah, the left. 731 00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:04,120 Speaker 4: Hand, those who aren't with Malzie Smith. 732 00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:06,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, because. 733 00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,280 Speaker 3: All of this other stuff we're talking about, if Dak 734 00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:14,320 Speaker 3: is getting creamed, it won't matter, it won't matter, and 735 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,040 Speaker 3: I thought Jake Ferguson said a little something in there 736 00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:19,840 Speaker 3: about last year, I'd stay any we had to chip, 737 00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:22,040 Speaker 3: which meant I had to go help Tyler Smith. 738 00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:24,560 Speaker 4: I could run a route, I mean, Tyler get that 739 00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:25,080 Speaker 4: could run. 740 00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:27,040 Speaker 5: Around what without a touchdown for the first time of 741 00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:29,440 Speaker 5: my whole life at any level, because I was asked 742 00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:32,360 Speaker 5: to do different things. Yes, yes, we're giving up touchdowns 743 00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:33,440 Speaker 5: to protect our quarterback. 744 00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:36,200 Speaker 4: Yeah and still didn't still got hurt. So anyway, that 745 00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:38,280 Speaker 4: was mine there and Nick, you and are we're thinking 746 00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:39,080 Speaker 4: alike right there. 747 00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:40,760 Speaker 6: I'll want you all flip it, just to make it 748 00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:42,880 Speaker 6: a different Terrence Steel on the other side of the 749 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:46,320 Speaker 6: offensive line, I have one and a half questions on 750 00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:48,440 Speaker 6: the offensive line going into this year, and one of 751 00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:50,840 Speaker 6: them is not the rookie. It's Tyler Guyden. That's the 752 00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:53,520 Speaker 6: full question. The half question is Terrence Steele. How much 753 00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,600 Speaker 6: will this new coaching staff benefit Terrence Steele Because we 754 00:33:56,680 --> 00:34:01,200 Speaker 6: understand that there are not necessarily disagreements, but differences is 755 00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:04,720 Speaker 6: in philosophy between what Terrence Steele was accustomed to doing 756 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,160 Speaker 6: and then when the Mike Solari system came into place 757 00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:10,680 Speaker 6: here in Dallas. Now it's a completely different offensive system. 758 00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:13,920 Speaker 6: It's an offensive line focused offensive coordinator. They're bringing a 759 00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:17,080 Speaker 6: guy that Steel has already been commending as far as 760 00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:19,479 Speaker 6: his work goes. How does that help translate his game 761 00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:21,799 Speaker 6: and does that help benefit him and get him back 762 00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:23,840 Speaker 6: on track these last couple of years. You look at 763 00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:26,360 Speaker 6: the pressures numbers, you look at the sack numbers, not 764 00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:28,279 Speaker 6: the penalty numbers. Gattan holds that, but you look at 765 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:30,680 Speaker 6: the other two and you see Steel at the top. 766 00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:34,680 Speaker 6: So can Steele have a rebound rebound year and get 767 00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:35,680 Speaker 6: back on the positive track? 768 00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,880 Speaker 5: He played every snap, It played every one of like 769 00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:40,480 Speaker 5: six entire NFL. 770 00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:41,920 Speaker 4: No, he played every snap he did. 771 00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:43,880 Speaker 6: He did last year he didn't. I think it was 772 00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:47,320 Speaker 6: a year before where he miss missed like ten to three. Yeah, okay, yeah, that's. 773 00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:50,280 Speaker 5: Crazy, and being on the field is exceptional. 774 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:52,840 Speaker 6: It is how coming off that torn a cl MCL 775 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,000 Speaker 6: that he had and what was that twenty two? Uh, 776 00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:58,640 Speaker 6: that's the availability part. It's there now, it's the ability 777 00:34:58,719 --> 00:34:59,759 Speaker 6: part for sure. 778 00:34:59,800 --> 00:34:59,960 Speaker 16: Well. 779 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:01,839 Speaker 5: Well, the first two names that came to mind when 780 00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,080 Speaker 5: you said before the break, we were going to identify 781 00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:06,440 Speaker 5: one player that we were going to watch most closely. 782 00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:08,080 Speaker 4: The two guys can mind it for me. 783 00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:10,520 Speaker 5: Were both first round picks Tyler Geydon and so I'll 784 00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:13,120 Speaker 5: say Moszi Smith, like, if they're going to stop the run, 785 00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:16,640 Speaker 5: he's got to hold off. You know, two late round 786 00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:18,600 Speaker 5: draft picks that are going to challenge him. 787 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:22,120 Speaker 4: For his job. Was the verbiage excited to see most 788 00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:23,560 Speaker 4: interested to see it, interested to. 789 00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:25,440 Speaker 7: See Okay, okay, just make sure it wasn't excited. 790 00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:28,400 Speaker 5: So he's like he's played a lot, but he hasn't 791 00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:31,800 Speaker 5: performed to their expectations. I think his jobs on the line, 792 00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:34,400 Speaker 5: his careers on the line, at least as a cowboy. 793 00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:37,680 Speaker 5: And I think Matt eberflu Is the new defensive coordinator, 794 00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:40,040 Speaker 5: his third defensive coordinator in three seasons. They haven't made 795 00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:42,719 Speaker 5: it easy on him by changing systems and coaches all 796 00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,360 Speaker 5: the time. But my understanding is Matt Eberflus had a 797 00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:48,080 Speaker 5: pretty high opinion of Mozzie Smith when they when he 798 00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:48,640 Speaker 5: was drafted. 799 00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:50,360 Speaker 4: So let's see if you can make something. 800 00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:50,640 Speaker 2: Out of him. 801 00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:53,839 Speaker 3: Parcells said he learned from Tom Landry. By year three, 802 00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:54,640 Speaker 3: we got to see something. 803 00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:59,319 Speaker 9: It's year three, yeah, and also you say you get 804 00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:00,239 Speaker 9: some somethinge year. 805 00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:04,759 Speaker 3: You know, so far he's left you wanting you get 806 00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:06,560 Speaker 3: Philadelphia right out of the gate and Ta Kwon. 807 00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:10,120 Speaker 4: Barkley, here you go. But and a running quarterback, as 808 00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:10,840 Speaker 4: much as. 809 00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:14,279 Speaker 3: We speak about on your left tackle, he's got to 810 00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:17,000 Speaker 3: get it going. We also know the way to beat 811 00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,480 Speaker 3: the Cowboys the LA past few seasons is run the 812 00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:20,080 Speaker 3: ball on him. 813 00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:22,960 Speaker 4: So, Mazie Smith, he's got to show you something. And 814 00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,040 Speaker 4: you're right. I think his career is on the line. 815 00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:26,920 Speaker 4: I expect him to be on this team. 816 00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:31,800 Speaker 3: But if he performs in year three with the combination 817 00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:33,600 Speaker 3: of what he performed in year one and two, I 818 00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:35,200 Speaker 3: don't expect him to be here year four. 819 00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:36,520 Speaker 4: That's just my take. 820 00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:42,799 Speaker 9: I'm torn between two guys, so name both. First one 821 00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:45,759 Speaker 9: is Jake Ferguson. Can he get back to being a 822 00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:48,160 Speaker 9: stretch of field, big play tight end, a guy who's 823 00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:51,000 Speaker 9: a difference maker. Your quarterback really enjoys tight ends, as 824 00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:54,640 Speaker 9: evidenced by Dalton Schiltz's numbers before he left. And so 825 00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:57,600 Speaker 9: I think if Jake Ferguson can be a factor even 826 00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:00,000 Speaker 9: with the guys on the outside, you should he should 827 00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,399 Speaker 9: be able to have a nice year. They need him 828 00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:04,279 Speaker 9: to have a nice year because I think they run 829 00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:06,480 Speaker 9: a game is shady, so you need to tight end 830 00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:08,520 Speaker 9: to help you move the change there. And then the 831 00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:12,000 Speaker 9: other one is Deryn Bland. Is he I've seen all 832 00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:15,080 Speaker 9: world of Arn Bland and then I've seen he's iight, 833 00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:16,239 Speaker 9: Deryn Bland. 834 00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:17,000 Speaker 2: And so who is he? 835 00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:19,000 Speaker 9: And to me that's the question, you know, are you 836 00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:23,239 Speaker 9: an upper restaurant corner or are you you know, just 837 00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:27,000 Speaker 9: pretty good? And I think this year, you know, we'll 838 00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,440 Speaker 9: get we'll get a real opportunity to see what. 839 00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:31,200 Speaker 4: About Vonte Williams. 840 00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:34,080 Speaker 5: I think one of those running backs has to do 841 00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:37,799 Speaker 5: something like they can't go into next this season like 842 00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:39,200 Speaker 5: they did last year at running back. 843 00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:43,760 Speaker 4: Look, I think this this running back room has been last. 844 00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:52,319 Speaker 9: Year skinniest fake Yeah too, shit shit, But I am 845 00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:53,399 Speaker 9: I'm a Williams fan. 846 00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:56,160 Speaker 4: I like Williams, And I know you say, hey, well, 847 00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:57,840 Speaker 4: if he was that good or with the why do 848 00:37:57,920 --> 00:37:58,839 Speaker 4: Sean Payton let him go? 849 00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:00,160 Speaker 13: On? 850 00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:02,160 Speaker 5: Peyton let him go and drafted a running back in 851 00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:04,840 Speaker 5: Harvey to start and they signed JK. 852 00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:05,840 Speaker 4: Dobbins yesterday. 853 00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:06,160 Speaker 12: Yeah. 854 00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:08,279 Speaker 9: I think this is more a case of they think 855 00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:11,080 Speaker 9: the offensive line, if they'll commit to running the ball, 856 00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:16,239 Speaker 9: the offensive line they think will create holes that make 857 00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:17,400 Speaker 9: the runner better. 858 00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:20,680 Speaker 4: Clearly they're throwing bodies at this thing. 859 00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:23,600 Speaker 5: I mean, he led Denver rushing two years in a row. 860 00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:25,320 Speaker 5: But he wasn't the same player after blowing out his 861 00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:26,480 Speaker 5: knee as he was before. 862 00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:28,720 Speaker 4: No, he was not the player that he wasn't North Carolina. 863 00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:35,160 Speaker 5: But and he's exceptional on third down as a receiver blockings, 864 00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:37,839 Speaker 5: but is he going to take Jayden Blue snaps as 865 00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:38,640 Speaker 5: a third down back? 866 00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:41,160 Speaker 3: This is this is going to be that beauty of 867 00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:43,839 Speaker 3: camp and seeing exactly what what happens and how they 868 00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:44,520 Speaker 3: go through things. 869 00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:46,400 Speaker 9: But no, they also got to they also have to 870 00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:48,799 Speaker 9: stay in games to play the way that Schattonhimer says 871 00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,720 Speaker 9: they want to play, because if you if you're behind, 872 00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:54,680 Speaker 9: you can't do run the ball thing. Play action doesn't 873 00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:57,000 Speaker 9: mean as much. And so for them it's can you 874 00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:59,040 Speaker 9: stay in the games long enough to play this style 875 00:38:59,120 --> 00:38:59,920 Speaker 9: that you want to. 876 00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:06,839 Speaker 3: I think Williams could be as effective as Rico daddle was. 877 00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:10,880 Speaker 3: And you look at the numbers toward the end of 878 00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:12,680 Speaker 3: the year, you know, Rico Daddell had. 879 00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:16,919 Speaker 4: A good year. They scored six rushing touchdowns. I think 880 00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:21,600 Speaker 4: that can improve very much. So and and you better, Oh, 881 00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:22,080 Speaker 4: I mean. 882 00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:24,719 Speaker 3: I thought Jerry did have a very good point where 883 00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:26,400 Speaker 3: he talked about the end of the offensive line was 884 00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:31,040 Speaker 3: also an issue of what happened last year, and clearly 885 00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:32,200 Speaker 3: they'll be better if. 886 00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,400 Speaker 5: They collected a lot of assets. 887 00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:37,920 Speaker 6: Problem their biggest issue. I think with Ricos. Rico is 888 00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:39,680 Speaker 6: a good back. Rico is a good back. He wasn't 889 00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:41,879 Speaker 6: a finisher. They didn't have a finisher. I don't feel 890 00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:43,560 Speaker 6: like they have a finisher on this roster right now. 891 00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:46,879 Speaker 6: Fisher being getting to the goal line, getting those first downs, 892 00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:48,000 Speaker 6: getting those hard earned yards. 893 00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:48,560 Speaker 7: They didn't have that. 894 00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:51,600 Speaker 4: He was not a dynamic player. He didn't have any 895 00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:52,040 Speaker 4: long run. 896 00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:54,680 Speaker 5: So I mean through week nine, Dak, your thirty one 897 00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:57,120 Speaker 5: year old quarterback, had your longest run to Jack though. 898 00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:00,720 Speaker 5: Now you need better than that, any of these guys 899 00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:01,600 Speaker 5: better than just a guy. 900 00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:03,160 Speaker 2: Was Nick going to be better? 901 00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:04,919 Speaker 4: I don't know it coming off. 902 00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:09,880 Speaker 7: And because Clarence wants him to know, See Nick took it. 903 00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:12,160 Speaker 2: There, I wasn't taking it there first. 904 00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:13,120 Speaker 4: Will be back here in a moment. 905 00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:19,880 Speaker 5: It'll be in the next tour group that walks by. 906 00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:21,520 Speaker 2: Yea, you can't. 907 00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,000 Speaker 9: You can't solve all your problems in one year. So 908 00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:26,920 Speaker 9: they threw all these assets, all this coach and all 909 00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:29,600 Speaker 9: this stuff at the offensive line, and then next year 910 00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:30,800 Speaker 9: you'll go get a runner. 911 00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:33,520 Speaker 6: While I one hundred percent agree with it. When I 912 00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:35,919 Speaker 6: first got into this building, the two biggest issues were 913 00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:37,960 Speaker 6: we can't run the ball, we can't stop the run. 914 00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:41,439 Speaker 6: Jerry Jones said that every off season and it's still 915 00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:44,160 Speaker 6: the same. It's still those still the two those are 916 00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:46,480 Speaker 6: still the two biggest questions we have going in training camp. 917 00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:48,279 Speaker 7: Can they run the ball? Can they stop the run? 918 00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:50,520 Speaker 9: And I feel better about the ability to run the 919 00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:51,399 Speaker 9: ball and stop the run. 920 00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:55,440 Speaker 7: I agree, I agree, still a concern, oh, definitely concern. 921 00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:58,319 Speaker 4: That's why I did the preseason little thing here. 922 00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:01,799 Speaker 3: I got seven wins in the possible because I still 923 00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,480 Speaker 3: feel just there they're probably two years away from being 924 00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:06,399 Speaker 3: able to get all this stuff they need to get 925 00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:07,239 Speaker 3: fixed fixed. 926 00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:08,920 Speaker 9: And then what then then you got a quarterback issue 927 00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:09,840 Speaker 9: at two years from. 928 00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:12,640 Speaker 4: Now between who. 929 00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:15,120 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, you know, then then you all the 930 00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:15,680 Speaker 2: talk will be. 931 00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:17,280 Speaker 4: But I got Joe Joe Mixon. 932 00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:20,000 Speaker 2: I forgot about him, Joe Milton. 933 00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,040 Speaker 4: Milton, I'm sorry what I say, mixing. They wish they 934 00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:22,520 Speaker 4: had Joel. 935 00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:24,640 Speaker 2: He will be like twenty nine and have never started 936 00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:24,919 Speaker 2: the game. 937 00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:28,359 Speaker 4: Yet he started a game. I'm sorry, I beat Joe 938 00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:31,000 Speaker 4: Buffalo Bills. Man beat the Bills. 939 00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:32,080 Speaker 7: That'll be arch Manning time. 940 00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:36,319 Speaker 3: Yeah, arch Man, I'm telling you man, arch Manning is 941 00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:39,080 Speaker 3: not coming out for all these arch Man not coming 942 00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:42,120 Speaker 3: two years, that's what you say. Now, hein't coming out 943 00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:44,759 Speaker 3: after a year. No, that kid will not come out 944 00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:45,359 Speaker 3: after the seats. 945 00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:46,359 Speaker 2: That's what you say. 946 00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:50,360 Speaker 6: I did that kid's recruitment. That family is very intentional 947 00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:51,320 Speaker 6: about every. 948 00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:53,279 Speaker 4: Sexont is what I say. 949 00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:56,360 Speaker 6: Unless unless he goes out win's a Heisman National championship, which. 950 00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:57,920 Speaker 9: Less they want him to play for the Saints, and 951 00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:01,319 Speaker 9: the Saints of the worst team. Maybe are you sure 952 00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:03,680 Speaker 9: they wanted I said, if they wanted him to play 953 00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:07,000 Speaker 9: for this like you might see the natural things. 954 00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:08,880 Speaker 2: Oh, but he might not want. 955 00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:12,800 Speaker 5: That pressure offensive coordinator of the Saints might want Doug Myre. 956 00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:13,680 Speaker 2: Yeah. 957 00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:17,360 Speaker 4: Are we saying we don't believe in Kellen Moore Brookie 958 00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:18,520 Speaker 4: head coach. I never said that. 959 00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:21,080 Speaker 7: You wouldn't be the first person in the building. 960 00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:24,759 Speaker 9: That's why that's why he's That's why he did this 961 00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:25,319 Speaker 9: head coach. 962 00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:29,120 Speaker 4: They they decided they did not want young Kelling Moore 963 00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:30,040 Speaker 4: as their their head. 964 00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:33,640 Speaker 9: Coach will be interesting. We can make the jump from 965 00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:35,040 Speaker 9: coordinated to coach. 966 00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:37,520 Speaker 5: He needs talent, and yeah, he's in a bad situation 967 00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:39,759 Speaker 5: that there's a reason that was the last job opening 968 00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:40,320 Speaker 5: in the NFL. 969 00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:43,520 Speaker 3: Cap hell, there's no talent out there, and you're right 970 00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:45,399 Speaker 3: there there, they're there. They got some problems. So good 971 00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:47,200 Speaker 3: good luck to him and Dougnsmire down there in the 972 00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:47,640 Speaker 3: big easy. 973 00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:49,120 Speaker 2: At least at least food is good. 974 00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:55,160 Speaker 4: At least you were losing duca boy man losing gumbo 975 00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:58,680 Speaker 4: some about one fifty. I don't think foods that important 976 00:42:58,680 --> 00:42:59,200 Speaker 4: to him. 977 00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:00,920 Speaker 2: Well, we'll see what he weise it in. 978 00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:02,839 Speaker 6: Hey, Williams seafood is right by the airport. You can 979 00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:03,919 Speaker 6: stop buying for your head out. 980 00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:09,560 Speaker 4: Yes, yes, miss boys. All right, Hey guys, this was fun. 981 00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:15,160 Speaker 3: We'll we'll reconvene next month per so or whenever they 982 00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:15,600 Speaker 3: tell us. 983 00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:17,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, we'll get the note whatever allowed. 984 00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:19,000 Speaker 2: Whenever we'll get a sponsor. 985 00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:23,279 Speaker 4: Ed'll tweet it out. I will nick edj T. 986 00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:26,399 Speaker 3: I'm doing Christ Josh and everybody here Dallas Cowboys dot 987 00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:27,960 Speaker 3: com talk to you next month right here on the 988 00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:29,360 Speaker 3: medium ash Dallas Cowboys. 989 00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:33,200 Speaker 1: This has been a production of dallascowboys dot com and 990 00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:35,200 Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.