Speaker 1: My grandma and your grandma was sitting back the fire.
Speaker 1: My grandma to Grandma, I'm gonna say fire, you're talking
Speaker 1: about hind I go, I go on day jagomo jago. Oh.
Speaker 1: I am very excited. I'm so excited for this week.
Speaker 1: This is we are recording on a Friday night, honey.
Speaker 1: And I would I wouldn't. I would rather not be
Speaker 1: anywhere else. Does that? Does that make sense? I would
Speaker 1: rather not be anywhere else? Yeah, this is the only
Speaker 1: place I want to be, for warning, with you here,
Speaker 1: with you, for warning. I've had such a hard time, uh,
Speaker 1: stringing together sentences, a coherent sentences today lately or today
Speaker 1: today specifically. I was at work and then I went
Speaker 1: into a meeting, and then I froze at least within
Speaker 1: the span of twenty minutes, at least eighteen times. I
Speaker 1: have a canker store under my tongue. I have a
Speaker 1: cold store. You do right here? See it? It's off
Speaker 1: is wit, yes, and now I see you. So I
Speaker 1: clocked the cold star noted. I was in the middle
Speaker 1: of a sentence like yesterday, and I found out that
Speaker 1: I was. I heard myself talking and it was like
Speaker 1: last sank and I was like, this is not work.
Speaker 1: Where were you? I was in the middle of a
Speaker 1: sentence that was my location. Um, you guys, this is
Speaker 1: such this is such a good episode, and you guys
Speaker 1: are in for it, honey, honey, because we not only
Speaker 1: are going to be talking all about RuPaul's Drag Race
Speaker 1: All Stars, to which I can't believe we haven't talked
Speaker 1: about yet. I know, but it's been a little bit
Speaker 1: of a while since our last episode, and it's such
Speaker 1: a good season and we have truly an amazing guest
Speaker 1: to speak about this. I'm a lovely friend. Yes we
Speaker 1: came up with through Story Pirates. Yes, we all were
Speaker 1: in Story Pirates together. Um. She's a contributor g Q,
Speaker 1: contributor to g Q, the host of mouth Time. It's
Speaker 1: a podcast on Reductor. She's so see an editor of Reductress.
Speaker 1: One of the funniest satire UM periodicals on was that
Speaker 1: would that be the word are? Reductress is amazing. She's
Speaker 1: also a writer for the USB Mad Team Pretty Boys.
Speaker 1: She's on the current Lloyd team The Nightmare. You gotta
Speaker 1: check out everywhere all around New York and all over
Speaker 1: the cross the Internet. It's Nicole silver Burn I'm so
Speaker 1: happy to be here. We're so happy. I don't have
Speaker 1: any chill. I'm very happy to be here. It's a
Speaker 1: moment in time. And you've actually been trying to get
Speaker 1: Nicole a long time. I was going to say, like
Speaker 1: an inside look into you know, lost Culturestes does you
Speaker 1: guys tend to record on Tuesdays? And I have a
Speaker 1: recurring Tuesday conflict of rehearsal and it and every time
Speaker 1: I get the text of like are you free, it
Speaker 1: just it kills me to not be free, so it burns.
Speaker 1: But here we are on a Friday night, and all
Speaker 1: of us just have gaping holes in our schedule, huge holes.
Speaker 1: And we're here now, Nicole. The way we start out
Speaker 1: the episodes is we have to we have to dig
Speaker 1: in here and we have to talk about the culture
Speaker 1: that shaped Nicole Silverberg. When did Nicole Silverberg decide culture
Speaker 1: was for her? When was culture for you? Yeah? I
Speaker 1: guess I've just always been, you know, kind of mildly
Speaker 1: aware of culture, even if I didn't know exactly what
Speaker 1: it was. Um, you know, grew up with movies. That's unique. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And and uh, I don't know, I'm PREMI Arizona so
Speaker 1: I don't know if this is true for other people,
Speaker 1: but for me at least, there's a lot of music
Speaker 1: in my house, lots of music, lots of music. My
Speaker 1: parents are both musical but and like love music. Um
Speaker 1: though you know, my dad runs a family business and
Speaker 1: my mom's an accountant, um so, so music isn't necessarily
Speaker 1: a part of their occupation, but there they love music.
Speaker 1: So I guess probably music would be My music was
Speaker 1: the first thing I felt like an expert on, so
Speaker 1: we're wise. This is a question I have because I
Speaker 1: find that this helps define a person. Who is your
Speaker 1: dad's favorite musical artist and who is your mom's favorite
Speaker 1: musical artist? And this is very telling. And do they
Speaker 1: have a favorite musical arts? I mean, they they love
Speaker 1: music and they listened to so much. I think it's
Speaker 1: very hard to choose just one. But I think my
Speaker 1: mom has seen Tom Petty and concert maybe six times.
Speaker 1: That is good. That's a good mom. And like I mean,
Speaker 1: and they love they love so much. But if I
Speaker 1: but my mom is a huge Tom Petty fan, and
Speaker 1: then my dad, I mean, I think I would just
Speaker 1: have to say the Beatles for my dad. But I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of like a lot of classics
Speaker 1: like Bruce Springsteen, Simon and Garfuncle, Carol King, James Taylor.
Speaker 1: You know that was that was kind of the soundtrack
Speaker 1: of my childhood. Now. Nicole selver brig though famously did
Speaker 1: an entire show as meat Love I did see and
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe you didn't just say okay. So my
Speaker 1: my my parents do both love meat Loaf, and my
Speaker 1: dad in particular, had the meat Loaf album Bad out
Speaker 1: of Hell, which sang selections off of for my show
Speaker 1: Last Hear Um in his car and my dad would
Speaker 1: often drive me to school on his way driving to work,
Speaker 1: so a lot of a lot of music on the
Speaker 1: way to work, um, and that just a meat Loaf
Speaker 1: was was definitely a recurring star, although my drive to
Speaker 1: school was shorter than any one song on that album.
Speaker 1: So you gotta love meat Loaf halfway through like one
Speaker 1: track on Bad of Okay, daily ritual where you would
Speaker 1: listen to bad and my dad was always really like
Speaker 1: I've babysat before, and you know, kids just get obsessed
Speaker 1: with songs. They want to hear it over and over
Speaker 1: and over again. You get kind of frustrated, and I
Speaker 1: think when it's your own kid, you have a little
Speaker 1: bit more leeway to be like not right now, how
Speaker 1: but we listen to something else. But my dad would
Speaker 1: let me like obsessively play things over and over and
Speaker 1: over again. I think when I was in seventh grade,
Speaker 1: I became obsessed with the song You're Smiling Face by
Speaker 1: James Taylor, which is like the cheesiest song, and we
Speaker 1: would listen to it on repeat for like fifteen minutes
Speaker 1: every morning at least, I mean, depending on traffic, could
Speaker 1: be more like months. And whenever I ceo smill in
Speaker 1: Face for on loop, okay, but not the worst song
Speaker 1: suction for all could be worse. Could be Jimmy Buffett,
Speaker 1: which was mine. I was like, I was like a
Speaker 1: low key music snob. When I was in eighth grade,
Speaker 1: I went on an international choir tour to England, Scotland
Speaker 1: and Wales with the two song Girls Chorus, of which
Speaker 1: I was apart for nine years. Wow, this is big,
Speaker 1: big choir geek. And we went on like a Beatles tour,
Speaker 1: and I remember thinking that everyone else wasn't a true
Speaker 1: fan of the Beatles like I thought, because none of
Speaker 1: my none of my girlfriends were like into oldies. They
Speaker 1: all loved, like Michelle Branch, which I like, I didn't.
Speaker 1: I was so jealous of Michelle Branch that I didn't
Speaker 1: like her, that makes any sense. I was like, I
Speaker 1: would like to be Michelle Branch. What about you makes
Speaker 1: you able to do this? I mean, she could play
Speaker 1: the guitar, which I definitely couldn't do. But we're it's
Speaker 1: so fine, it's fine. But like for that reason, I
Speaker 1: was just like, you guys don't actually love the Beatles.
Speaker 1: I love the Beatles because I would like wear an
Speaker 1: oversized Abbey Road T shirt like three years anyway. So yeah,
Speaker 1: that's my that's my journey with culture. That's culture. Michelle Branch.
Speaker 1: Somebody came into the Story Parts auditions yesterday and sang
Speaker 1: Michelle Branch, and then somebody came in later and sang
Speaker 1: Michelle Branch again. That's Michelle Branch. Got got represented twice yesterday.
Speaker 1: So the people who just graduated from college were the
Speaker 1: last people who I overlapped with when I was an undergrad.
Speaker 1: So they were freshmen when I was seniors, and a
Speaker 1: couple of them reached out to me about Story Fire
Speaker 1: auditions and they're like, what's your advice I was just like,
Speaker 1: don't sing Disney or a musical theater. So that's like
Speaker 1: my advice. So you know what, Michelle Branch like, it works.
Speaker 1: Actually we remembered them. Can you point out something someone
Speaker 1: I was talking to someone about this and they brought
Speaker 1: up the fact that today's high school students will listen
Speaker 1: to Panic at the Disco as like old band, like
Speaker 1: the way that we might have listened to Wheezer. I
Speaker 1: guess in high school. Isn't that crazy? That's hard? But
Speaker 1: do you think that they actually are listening to Panic
Speaker 1: of the discos? Dumb question? I think they are. I
Speaker 1: think kids these days are loving, like um I read
Speaker 1: since not tragedies. They're like, this is the best song ever,
Speaker 1: Like this is what they used to listen to ten
Speaker 1: years ago. Was it Panic at the Disco that kind
Speaker 1: of had like a comeback recently? Yeah, I think year
Speaker 1: and they did, like Blank two and Good Charlotte are
Speaker 1: putting out new style. I have to say that is
Speaker 1: one thing. And Good Charlotte too, that is one trend
Speaker 1: that I am so happy. I said even at the time,
Speaker 1: like this is dumb. The Good Charlotte Panic at the
Speaker 1: Disco thing, I was I think I like to the
Speaker 1: hits by Good Charlotte. I never liked Panic at the Disco,
Speaker 1: and I really didn't like fall Out Boy. Brand New Okay,
Speaker 1: I saw a brand New in concert. I saw them
Speaker 1: Madison Square Garden and they opened up for Dashboard Confessional,
Speaker 1: who I did not hear of them until college. We
Speaker 1: see they were big for me in high school and
Speaker 1: then in college they continue to be big, like what's
Speaker 1: the Mark Commission? A brand of scar that is a
Speaker 1: really good album and it's so weep be in like tweet.
Speaker 1: And I thought that Death Cab for Cuti and Dashboard Confessional.
Speaker 1: I think in my mind growing when I was in
Speaker 1: high school, I thought they were the same band. But
Speaker 1: it turns out it's Death Cabin Postal Service that we're basic. Yes,
Speaker 1: And I also now have since listened to Dashboard Confessional
Speaker 1: and they don't sound like Death Cab for Cutie. But
Speaker 1: I think it was just something in the name that
Speaker 1: there's makes to each other, maybe such great Heights Postal Service.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you just said that. Um oh wait, can
Speaker 1: I see some one thing about Michelle Branch real quick?
Speaker 1: Please let's discuss Michelle. Seems like we have two Michelle
Speaker 1: branch haters at the table. No, no, no, not a hater,
Speaker 1: but but acknowledging the fact that she's perfectly sure average,
Speaker 1: which honestly is like a wonderful thing sometimes with Santana
Speaker 1: a game of love in the game love Um the
Speaker 1: Spirit Room, you guys, I was obsessed with this two
Speaker 1: thousand one two two maybe circa UM. I just had
Speaker 1: fantasies about her showing up at my middle school and
Speaker 1: playing a pop up because she used to do that,
Speaker 1: and then her inviting me up on stage that we
Speaker 1: could do a duet of Uman so like you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she ends just listen to her stuff again and she
Speaker 1: ends every single word syllable with yet called it everything. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she was giving that pop affectation. She came out at
Speaker 1: the same time as my mortal enemy, Avril Levine, and
Speaker 1: I loved Avril Levine and I loved its n show
Speaker 1: You Can't get rid of Me a bit. Avril Levine
Speaker 1: is a fighter, and I take that from her. Okay,
Speaker 1: Can I tell you I did like um girlfriends whatever? Hey, hey,
Speaker 1: you yeah, that's I was not that I liked her
Speaker 1: moody stuff because I was going, you know, because I
Speaker 1: was a p preteene and I and I just like
Speaker 1: needed that type of thing. I was embarrassed by her
Speaker 1: public behavior, like the wearing a tie and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: Like I didn't think that was cool. I didn't. I
Speaker 1: didn't like idolize her. But her music was like an
Speaker 1: emotional necess city for me in my in my her
Speaker 1: second album, do you remember that Long? Was good? Also
Speaker 1: when I first heard it, right, yeah, so much that
Speaker 1: was I'm thinking about a different one from her first album,
Speaker 1: but that song was so good and also the better
Speaker 1: song on that album I think is I can't remember,
Speaker 1: but like the eighth track on the album I loved
Speaker 1: because well, when I first heard I'm with You, I
Speaker 1: knew it was Avril Levine and we hadn't heard her
Speaker 1: sing like that up until that point. And when she
Speaker 1: started hitting her high notes at the end, I was like, fuck,
Speaker 1: she's actually good and I'm so mad. I remember having
Speaker 1: that feeling about Katy Perry. I didn't. I really didn't
Speaker 1: like Katy Perry when she first came out when I
Speaker 1: was like in high school. And then when I realized
Speaker 1: she actually could sing, though, I was like, damn it,
Speaker 1: she tug. She's not like like I think that Taylor
Speaker 1: Swift has gotten better at singing over the course of
Speaker 1: her career, better microphones that correct her pitch. I'll tell
Speaker 1: you that pechnology has gotten better. But I think she
Speaker 1: just like sounds generally just sounds better. Yeah, and Katie.
Speaker 1: And that's so when Taylor Swift first like started becoming popular,
Speaker 1: I was like, yeahn thank you. And I felt the
Speaker 1: same way about Katy Perry. Let's yawn more just like
Speaker 1: I roll like I hated I kissed a girl. I
Speaker 1: just thought, like, so what I mean that had one hit?
Speaker 1: Wonder written all I know? But okay, but okay, So
Speaker 1: so you know some modern culture. Did you guys see
Speaker 1: the recent video of um Katy Perry on Ellen de
Speaker 1: Generous when she so she's okay. So, so two things,
Speaker 1: I guess three things. First of all, Katy Perry like
Speaker 1: believes believes in like aliens and mermaids and all the stuff,
Speaker 1: and she's like very There are like lots of quotes
Speaker 1: from her in interviews where she reveals herself to be
Speaker 1: a weirdo, but you don't actually hear her saying it,
Speaker 1: so so you kind of can interpret however you want.
Speaker 1: The second thing is is I have like a full
Speaker 1: on fetish for Ellen Degenerous giving money to people, like
Speaker 1: I've seen maybe every single video. And the weird thing
Speaker 1: is that I don't really like her show and I
Speaker 1: hate how she talks to kids. I find it really upsetting.
Speaker 1: Like I think she thinks kids are dumb, and I
Speaker 1: think she talks to kids like they're dumb, And that
Speaker 1: is always something that bothers me when anyone does it.
Speaker 1: But like, and she even is like low key, very
Speaker 1: low key, like smug when she gives money to people,
Speaker 1: because she just she knows the power she has and
Speaker 1: she I think she has a good heart, and I
Speaker 1: think she's a good person, but it's like she smugg
Speaker 1: straight up to anybody, but she's so self right. But
Speaker 1: with those two things put together, Katy Perry. So, so
Speaker 1: there's someone who survived the Orlando shootings and the song
Speaker 1: Rise by Katy Perry, I guess just like got him
Speaker 1: through it, like the time in the hospital and stuff.
Speaker 1: And so she brought Katy Perry into the show to
Speaker 1: surprise him, and I mean everyone's sweeping. It is really touching.
Speaker 1: And then and then Katy Perry says that she will
Speaker 1: pay for this guy's first year college because he wants
Speaker 1: to go to film school. So it's all very moving,
Speaker 1: but Katy Perry is insane, like she just she goes,
Speaker 1: she goes, you're light, We're all lights like, and she
Speaker 1: just means it and it's crazy. It's crazy here she
Speaker 1: was married to Russell Brand. I have a Katy Perry story.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, tell it. So in April, uh, my
Speaker 1: friend Jamie Oski, our friend on Jamie both went to
Speaker 1: this Hillary fundraiser concert. I remember that I got two
Speaker 1: free tickets. But meanwhile we went. We went and it
Speaker 1: was all rich democrats and I felt really gross. But
Speaker 1: we're sitting there and then Katie Perry's the headlining act.
Speaker 1: So Hailary goes up to speak. It's and she says
Speaker 1: a couple of words and it's nice. And then Saty
Speaker 1: Perry goes up and she has this huge set um
Speaker 1: and it's just beautiful, like gay magic ship. And then
Speaker 1: at one point Katy Perry like has to like because
Speaker 1: the whole night has been speeches from her campaign stuff.
Speaker 1: And Bill gave his speech and was amazing, and Chelsea
Speaker 1: gave a speech, Julianne Moore gave a speech blessed and
Speaker 1: then Katy Perry just I guess has to like keep
Speaker 1: the pattern going. And she has this break in her
Speaker 1: set where she just talks to us, to everybody in
Speaker 1: Radio City, and she's like, she just does not know
Speaker 1: how to how to how to talk about politics straight up.
Speaker 1: She's like, don't you want someone who has the blueprints
Speaker 1: for the house so that you have Katie Perry. By
Speaker 1: the way, do you have bay windows so you gotta
Speaker 1: you gotta put you gotta know where to put the
Speaker 1: windows if you want the view. And she just made
Speaker 1: I'm even, this is being very generous. My impression is
Speaker 1: being very Jenner. She was incoherent, could not speak about
Speaker 1: They probably picked up on that because when she was
Speaker 1: at the d n C, the first thing she said
Speaker 1: was I don't have an education, but we all should
Speaker 1: have the option to. And then she sang, which I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: that song is bullshit. I don't care for it. But
Speaker 1: can I tell you why I don't like Evril Levine
Speaker 1: because I was I was fine with Avril. I was
Speaker 1: accepting of her as like someone who was in the
Speaker 1: pop culture like lexicon. I was like, yeah, sure, I
Speaker 1: get complicated skater boys fun. I'm with you. I've just
Speaker 1: heard it, and I guess she can really sing. But
Speaker 1: here's why I don't like evl Levine. It's a moment.
Speaker 1: And when people show you who they are, believe them.
Speaker 1: Thank you. Maya Angelo, Oprah Winfrey and Shawnda Rhymes said that, Yes,
Speaker 1: it's the chicken before the egg situation. Who said it first? Um,
Speaker 1: all contemporaries. They came up together, you know, I think
Speaker 1: they all shared a college. Um. So basically, um, there
Speaker 1: was it was the two Thomas And it's of course
Speaker 1: the vm as are at the end of the summer
Speaker 1: and two one two two, I'm sorry, excuse me two.
Speaker 1: So I'm in. We're in a post nine eleven world.
Speaker 1: I'm in sixth grade. It's a summer after sixth grade.
Speaker 1: I'm going at the seventh grade. I become obsessed with
Speaker 1: a little show called American Idol. I become devout towards
Speaker 1: Kelly Clarkson. I become well known, well known. Rule number
Speaker 1: six of culture not loves Kelly Clarkson. Um. So they
Speaker 1: had Justin and Kelly on the v m as to
Speaker 1: present the award for Best New Artists, and um, they're
Speaker 1: up there and Kelly's doing her like thing. Which was
Speaker 1: her brand at the time, to be like, oh where
Speaker 1: am I like duck a duck a duck like I'm from.
Speaker 1: She did it for such a long time, very well.
Speaker 1: She was the off the chunky blonde highlights. My mom
Speaker 1: to this day says, no one can pull off that
Speaker 1: chunky blonde highlight except Kelly Clark to this day, she
Speaker 1: says it. So they're presenting the award and she's playing
Speaker 1: her thing and doing her things. She was, of course
Speaker 1: being the perfect George bush erraw girl next door of course,
Speaker 1: which is you know, big reason why she took that title.
Speaker 1: Had never been on a plane, never been on a
Speaker 1: plane or something. Remember Burlison, Texas. So um, there, you know,
Speaker 1: announcing that I'm in needs and they cut to avl Levine,
Speaker 1: who's like like fucking around in her seat with her
Speaker 1: band or whatever and like doing her own thing and
Speaker 1: like you know, sticking her tongue out of the camera
Speaker 1: and being like a punk rock princess. And then Avril
Speaker 1: Levine wins. So Avril Levine like makes her way up
Speaker 1: to the stage and Kelly Clarkson goes to hug her.
Speaker 1: Avril Levine takes Kelly's arm, lifts it over her head,
Speaker 1: pushes her out of the way, takes the award and
Speaker 1: starts giving her speech, and I was like, I will
Speaker 1: never forget that's acceptable, and I am so pleased that
Speaker 1: Kelly has had a longer career, and I think that
Speaker 1: it's karma. I think it's true karma. Do you think
Speaker 1: Levin was at that time like yeah, wow, because it
Speaker 1: literally just occurred to me that she was really young. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she was. That was like a thing at the time.
Speaker 1: It was like, um, people guys were like, I think
Speaker 1: she's really fucking hot, like on on like the radio,
Speaker 1: the guys would call out and they'd be like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I've been hearing this song and like I saw on
Speaker 1: t r L and she's hot, and the days will
Speaker 1: be like, well she's eighteen, which was like I've now
Speaker 1: realized has been like a running thing, like Britney Spears
Speaker 1: being just like everyone's sexual desire, and she was people
Speaker 1: people trying to know for sure whether or not Britney
Speaker 1: Spears was a virgin was such a massive part of
Speaker 1: popular culture. In her breast implants too. Yeah, that was well,
Speaker 1: that was like, I mean like a joke on In,
Speaker 1: like when her boob started moving sport about. She was
Speaker 1: such a good sport about it. I get too sad
Speaker 1: talking about Brittany, But hold on, Actually Brittany, Brittany's second
Speaker 1: time hosting was phenomen She was great. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: she had a good turn. I'll engraced to Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I've not seen I've seen, but I will say that, Um,
Speaker 1: I think the the part of the brain of like
Speaker 1: Britney Spears and Linda Lewin that is just like an
Speaker 1: absolute ship storm of chaos that makes them unhealthy is
Speaker 1: probably what also makes them good at like doing a
Speaker 1: live show like U S and l with like not
Speaker 1: having any experience and just being like I can do this,
Speaker 1: Like I don't think they're unrelated. She good. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: I'll never forget. I will never forget. This is a
Speaker 1: big part of my Culturey Potter sketch. I was thinking
Speaker 1: Harry Potter sketch. Yes, but same episode when they do that.
Speaker 1: It was the first ever Debbie down and it was world,
Speaker 1: which is like the whole thing was. And I remember
Speaker 1: when they started breaking, I just like literally was gasping
Speaker 1: for air in my bedroom. And that was when I
Speaker 1: truly fell in love with and watched it back again
Speaker 1: and you still laugh and you know it's so genuine,
Speaker 1: it's so good. It's so good. And also we we
Speaker 1: met a writer at snel's name is James Anderson. Anderson
Speaker 1: literally all my favorite sketches, And I was finding out
Speaker 1: in the moment of meeting him that he was all
Speaker 1: my favorite sketches like Deep House, Dish, Space and Space.
Speaker 1: Probably wouldn't be surprised if he had something to do
Speaker 1: with pen Paulapell. I think co wrote a lot of
Speaker 1: the Gemini's Twin sketches, like he was the gay voice
Speaker 1: that that like little boys like Matt and I at
Speaker 1: the time grew up with from like this is so funny.
Speaker 1: We're responding to this, we want like we want that.
Speaker 1: I just loved telling him like, thank you for literally
Speaker 1: like writing sketches that made me laugh for reasons that
Speaker 1: I didn't even like. It was so it was. It
Speaker 1: just touched on nerve and he introduced us and then
Speaker 1: he was just in his office watching that episode. It
Speaker 1: was the Julie Wee Drivers went from last season. And
Speaker 1: then he sat with us and watched the rest of
Speaker 1: the app and then we talked about drag Race. He
Speaker 1: he loved Georgy, he loved Bob. It was just this
Speaker 1: and then I literally I had the instinct to be like,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but I feel like I have to ask this.
Speaker 1: Did you have anything to do with Deep Past dish?
Speaker 1: And he was like, yeah, that was mine? And I
Speaker 1: literally exploded. I was like, that was my whole life.
Speaker 1: It was really do you remember the sketch Deep Past?
Speaker 1: Whenever it would come on, I would explode. Culture. It's important.
Speaker 1: Culture is everywhere, everywhere. That's not even a rule, that's
Speaker 1: just that's that's just an overhanging. That's just the theme
Speaker 1: of life. One more when more correcting about Avil, and
Speaker 1: then we'll move on to our I don't know how
Speaker 1: I feel about the fact that Avil was literally taken
Speaker 1: over this podcast. I've worked so hard to build Avil
Speaker 1: Levine Get out of Here for songs for the Aragon
Speaker 1: soundtrack phenomenal. I don't know, keep holding on, Yeah, nothing,
Speaker 1: you could say nothing, you can do way when it
Speaker 1: goes even bringing about not even well, they did it
Speaker 1: on Glee and it was pretty emotional, you know. It
Speaker 1: was when Glee was good in season one. Okay, I
Speaker 1: really like to Glee the first season. I will say,
Speaker 1: you know the part of the magnifying glass on your
Speaker 1: on your Instagram where it's like discover. Yeah, yes, there's
Speaker 1: something sinister in my algorithm that Glee fan art makes
Speaker 1: up of it and I don't know how, but it's
Speaker 1: like it's it's so people that are still making Glee
Speaker 1: fan art to this day, what are they trying? What
Speaker 1: are they making? I don't know. Well, so much of
Speaker 1: his unfamiliar to me because I think I only really
Speaker 1: watched the first season of Glee. Me the second season,
Speaker 1: I truly can't remember. But yeah, it's like I just
Speaker 1: want to go there and discover as Instagram wants me to,
Speaker 1: but I cannot because there is so much Glee contect. God,
Speaker 1: Glee was truly good for thirteen episodes. It was truly good.
Speaker 1: It was actually pretty good. I was always weirded out
Speaker 1: by Matthew Morrison's character. Yeah, I felt like I was
Speaker 1: so sexually unsure of what I was supposed to make
Speaker 1: of him. I was pretty sure it's actually what I
Speaker 1: was making of him. But I understand I definitely wanted
Speaker 1: to fuck Will Schuster, in fact, much more than I
Speaker 1: was interested in any of like Schuster was Matthew Morrison. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but I wasn't into you know, rest in Peace. Um
Speaker 1: wasn't into Puck who that's a crazy story. That's insane,
Speaker 1: is insane, but it's also not surprising, like it's crazy,
Speaker 1: but you're just like, I mean, I guess yeah, you
Speaker 1: know who was hot? Was the blonde guy that came
Speaker 1: on like later in the show. I don't know his name, honestly,
Speaker 1: who who knows? You know? Brittany Like Brittany that actress
Speaker 1: was just a backup dancer for Beyonce and and she
Speaker 1: got cash. She was on Beyonce episode of SNL. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then she got cast on Glee. Is just like
Speaker 1: a dancer and then her character just like broke out.
Speaker 1: And like my mom, team at UCB used to be
Speaker 1: like permanently stationed on the schedule after Gravid Water and
Speaker 1: Diana Agron was on on on Gravid Water one week
Speaker 1: and I just saw backstage and I was just like,
Speaker 1: you are so we're just she is I mean, she's beautiful, Yeah,
Speaker 1: she's and she she just says this big smile and
Speaker 1: she's so radiant. I didn't see it because I was
Speaker 1: just there for she was supposed to do the DCM
Speaker 1: gravid water and then something happened when she couldn't do it,
Speaker 1: but she was gonna come. She's good, you probably good.
Speaker 1: I think she was good on the show. I mean
Speaker 1: backstage she was just like, you know, peling around and
Speaker 1: she just seemed like super chill and nice, but but
Speaker 1: also like distractingly. Yeah, yeah, beautiful, she's gorge human who
Speaker 1: I heard is a absolute nightmare And this will shock
Speaker 1: now when is Leah Michelle? In fact, I have a
Speaker 1: friend who was at the same party as her, and
Speaker 1: this might be a little telling, but he went to
Speaker 1: the closet to get his coat, opened the door and
Speaker 1: there was Lea Michelle rifling through all the coats, and
Speaker 1: the host of the party said, Leah, what are you doing?
Speaker 1: And she just came out and said, I was looking
Speaker 1: for drugs? Oh can I say that one here? And
Speaker 1: then you hear about Cornymnteeth. And actually I had another
Speaker 1: friend who we all know. I'll tell you guys off
Speaker 1: the air, but he was friends of the cast member
Speaker 1: on Glee. And apparently, yeah, they all are big, we're big.
Speaker 1: Surprising and again not surprising, but it's like, yeah, you
Speaker 1: give them, you give kids at age a lot of money,
Speaker 1: or honestly, not even kids young adults that age pretending
Speaker 1: to be kids of l A. Where you don't necessarily
Speaker 1: have that much to do. That's why I think, like
Speaker 1: Bowen and I are going out to l A and
Speaker 1: what we people keep saying there's no culture there. There's
Speaker 1: no culture there. It's boring, and I think I feel like, yeah,
Speaker 1: well that must maybe that's the case of why people
Speaker 1: get involved in such weird ship around there is because
Speaker 1: there's not much to do when they have a lot
Speaker 1: of money. Is l A different from New York? I
Speaker 1: think I hear that. I hear that there's a debate
Speaker 1: to be had about people talk about the differences between
Speaker 1: l A and New York. I just you know, if
Speaker 1: someone thinks that one's better than the other, I'd love
Speaker 1: to hear their thoughts. Yeah, I would love to hear
Speaker 1: how you get around in l A. Um, you know
Speaker 1: here they I hear they have uber But you know,
Speaker 1: I'm willing to hear more. Um, guys, today's episode, you
Speaker 1: know this is this is a moment because All Stars
Speaker 1: Too has been so good. We can agree it has
Speaker 1: changed television and actually, I mean it's like feels so
Speaker 1: stupid to say, but it actually has changed my life.
Speaker 1: I would agree with you the mentalities like I this
Speaker 1: is maybe gonna sound bizarre, but I thought today on
Speaker 1: the subway, if I ever saw RuPaul, but I say
Speaker 1: to him, and our friend Jamie Star has seen and
Speaker 1: she did, and she did she handled it the best.
Speaker 1: Best knows. She's an idol. She's how he thinks. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she's a genius. She basically just put her head down,
Speaker 1: walk next to him and said, I just want you
Speaker 1: to know that I love you. And he said, he looked,
Speaker 1: he said I love you too, and he meant it.
Speaker 1: He meant it, and like, the thing is, anyone who
Speaker 1: doesn't know anything about RuPaul thinks that that's a joke
Speaker 1: because you say like and he meant it, and and
Speaker 1: you know, you laughed because for other people that would
Speaker 1: be insane, but it's true. And then look after I
Speaker 1: graduate from college on the train, uh, and then we
Speaker 1: stopped at Wall Street and then people in the car screamed,
Speaker 1: look that's RuPaul. And RuPaul was just had just come
Speaker 1: out of a car, was in this beautiful suit, looked
Speaker 1: so good. Just throw up through up piece sign and
Speaker 1: just wave to people and just looked so cool. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but just a radiant in person. You're like your I
Speaker 1: go straight to that person no matter what you think
Speaker 1: of that person. I was just like, oh God, RuPaul
Speaker 1: is beautiful. Well, I would say just for myself, like
Speaker 1: just like the little nuggets of wisdom that he drops
Speaker 1: make it very clear to me, like life. I had
Speaker 1: to literally pause the episode so this so, I mean,
Speaker 1: you know we're recording this. The third episode just came
Speaker 1: out last night, and the first two episodes were like
Speaker 1: the supersized drama filled and like in wisdom filled episodes,
Speaker 1: and last night it was like a more traditional clipping
Speaker 1: along sort of EPI. But when they were doing the
Speaker 1: judge at the end and um and Katya was being
Speaker 1: criticized for her Princess Die, which you know, we'll talk,
Speaker 1: but when Rue was like, to be fair, yeah, like
Speaker 1: to be fair. You know, Princess Die is the only
Speaker 1: the only person being portrayed here that we actually know
Speaker 1: what she looked like. And maybe Catty didn't have the
Speaker 1: same creativity or didn't have the same leeway to be
Speaker 1: creative as the other queen. I pause to the episode
Speaker 1: and I turned to Branson and I was like, I mean,
Speaker 1: we did not have to say that, but I mean it,
Speaker 1: which is such a like a it's a it's a
Speaker 1: small that's a small, but it's a brilliance of rue.
Speaker 1: But then but then when we said that, I was like,
Speaker 1: but wait a minute, roxy played a perune and you
Speaker 1: technically have photography. But maybe it's not like as burned
Speaker 1: into the consciousness of First of all, I don't even
Speaker 1: world we'll get to that. I would just say, like,
Speaker 1: for me, what makes the whole idea of ru rue
Speaker 1: coming forward? Like being in the consciousness and saying like,
Speaker 1: you know, we're all born naked and the rest is dragged.
Speaker 1: That is so freeing. It's just because I think it's
Speaker 1: truly the first time, like and of course as you
Speaker 1: get into it, as you go into adulthood and as
Speaker 1: you kind of you know, mature, you do realize like
Speaker 1: what is this and what is this? And why do
Speaker 1: I dress this way? And why are they selling me
Speaker 1: things all the time? And why this? I remember the
Speaker 1: first time I ever I think I've said this before,
Speaker 1: but the first time I ever became aware of the
Speaker 1: fact that I was like a pawn in society is
Speaker 1: when Sudie and I were watching The X Factor and
Speaker 1: Sudi said, count how many pepsi cans you see? And
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god. And all of a
Speaker 1: sudden I realized that I was being aggressively catered to
Speaker 1: as a consumer and they and that they didn't care
Speaker 1: about me as a person. And I was like, well,
Speaker 1: what's the world. And then RuPaul talking about like the matrix,
Speaker 1: Like the world is the matrix and whether you're going
Speaker 1: to be a participant in that or not. When you
Speaker 1: realize the matrix, then you can really have fun and
Speaker 1: you know what to like the Man behind the Curtain,
Speaker 1: the Wizard of Oz I think about talking about when
Speaker 1: you see the man behind the curtain, your instinct is
Speaker 1: to be angry, and then you you can decide later
Speaker 1: to not be angered. You can just play in the
Speaker 1: matrix and decide to have fun with it. I mean,
Speaker 1: the thing about RuPaul that is that makes him, in
Speaker 1: my mind like such a religious figure is he truly
Speaker 1: has a a stock like stock philosophies, and I mean
Speaker 1: it's it's it's Jesus esque, and that there are these
Speaker 1: sets of principles that are completely he completely inhabits them,
Speaker 1: he shares them with everybody there for everybody. It's all
Speaker 1: from a place of love, and it's it's not like
Speaker 1: he's not really a very fluid figure in the sense
Speaker 1: that like he's he doesn't have this kind of like
Speaker 1: evolving uh philosophy that like changes depending on the setting.
Speaker 1: It's like, no, you hear him talk about the same
Speaker 1: things over and over again and they're always true, and
Speaker 1: it's so um advance and you go back and watch
Speaker 1: older stuff where he's talking and it's the same, like
Speaker 1: the same nuggets of wisdom. Hear him talk about the
Speaker 1: inner saboteur. I mean, yes, maybe you could probably find
Speaker 1: him talking about it fifty times and it's always correct.
Speaker 1: Like that's the thing that's stunning, you know what. I
Speaker 1: you know what I've been really stewing on lately, and
Speaker 1: like this has been with me for years, but like
Speaker 1: lately I've really paid attention to. This is the Mark
Speaker 1: barn episode where is coming from inside the House. Yes,
Speaker 1: that related to that. Um this part where he goes
Speaker 1: after he talks about the Wizard of Oz and he's
Speaker 1: like and you know what, It's like Dorothy realizes at
Speaker 1: the end of the movie, like it was always in
Speaker 1: her to go home. She always had the power and
Speaker 1: she just didn't realize it and after and she didn't
Speaker 1: realize until after she saw the man behind the curtain
Speaker 1: and then she realizes, Oh, I've had it in me
Speaker 1: all this time, and no, you could do it for me.
Speaker 1: And isn't that like debating? I know that sounds they're cheesy,
Speaker 1: but like it's that's an amazing story. It's just like
Speaker 1: an is RuPaul Buddhist? What is it? Well? I mean
Speaker 1: he he he's he practices yoga. I mean, I'm not
Speaker 1: saying like it's a religious practice. I'm just saying like
Speaker 1: he's he's very spiritual and like connected with like his
Speaker 1: body and like you know, just kind of the other.
Speaker 1: But I don't think he prescribes to anything. Yeah, well
Speaker 1: not that I know of, right, And because I've been
Speaker 1: trying that, it's the closest I've felt to feeling religious
Speaker 1: in a long time, to be honest, because I finally
Speaker 1: have mantras that I can say, and I've been able
Speaker 1: to I think help people by telling them this. You know,
Speaker 1: we have a mutual friend who was struggling a long
Speaker 1: time and we had lunch and I feel like just
Speaker 1: by telling that person, like you know, life is drag,
Speaker 1: Like I feel like that helped, and then something huge
Speaker 1: and like and and so like I don't know, I
Speaker 1: just feel like it means everything to just say, you
Speaker 1: know what, I'm actually going to make the decision to
Speaker 1: not care and just do me because who made the
Speaker 1: rules anyway exactly? You know. I remember like just before
Speaker 1: before I ever started to like feel like a quote
Speaker 1: unquote was doing well and kind of knew myself as
Speaker 1: a comic, I had people that I looked up to
Speaker 1: and I really wanted to find out why. And then
Speaker 1: I went to go see Josh and Aaron's um Josh
Speaker 1: Sharpen Aaron Jackson's uc B show Fucking Identical Twins at
Speaker 1: at uc B, and Shannon O'Neill came out and she
Speaker 1: said something beforehand, which was the reason why this show
Speaker 1: works is because they don't give a fuck like they
Speaker 1: do them And then I clocked that, and then I
Speaker 1: also read Yes Please by Amy Poehler and she said
Speaker 1: something like when you're having fun, everyone well, and that's
Speaker 1: what I was going to say, is like I never
Speaker 1: really thought about fun until recently. Like I just I
Speaker 1: I think I'm I'm a pretty I can be kind
Speaker 1: of intense I think for being a comedian and a
Speaker 1: very serious person for the most point part um and
Speaker 1: like I because I'm not naturally care free, I always
Speaker 1: had linked being care free to having fun or that
Speaker 1: fun is like an activity, not the result of an activity.
Speaker 1: I was like, well, let's do something fun, and then
Speaker 1: whether or not you have fun as irrelevant. But there's
Speaker 1: but Ru. Rue is is constantly in the pursuit of fun,
Speaker 1: and like fun in a way that is just I mean,
Speaker 1: it's there for everybody, and it's there's something deeper to it.
Speaker 1: But like, since seriously like letting Rue into my life
Speaker 1: and my headspace, I've developed more of like a taste
Speaker 1: and an instinct for like finding fun and kind of
Speaker 1: realizing like that actually should be the main mission. What
Speaker 1: Rue says is that fun is not a care freeness
Speaker 1: or a carelessness. It's actually an awareness of circumstances. And
Speaker 1: we're talking about Rue, Paul, Guys. I'm just saying this
Speaker 1: in a way that sounds very cultish, but I think
Speaker 1: it's like I'm fine with it, but like Rue has
Speaker 1: changed my life, yes, she you know, I mean I
Speaker 1: feel I can speak about it. Well. The thing about
Speaker 1: Rue is it rue? Is like not without problems there
Speaker 1: because when it comes to things like gender identity and language,
Speaker 1: like it's so weird, Like, Okay, Donald Trump will come
Speaker 1: in front of a group and he'll be like, people
Speaker 1: want to say this about me, but it's just words,
Speaker 1: and obviously he doesn't mean it because he's so sensitive
Speaker 1: and and do you read it as defensiveness and see
Speaker 1: it as kind of childishness like immaturity. It's it's weird
Speaker 1: to see it's but it's stranger to see ru Paul
Speaker 1: talk about words because he means it. And when he
Speaker 1: says words do not matter and that it doesn't matter
Speaker 1: what you call something and it doesn't and that words
Speaker 1: can't hurt you, it's like that's not true for most people.
Speaker 1: And it's and it's in some ways like a little
Speaker 1: irresponsible to believe that that is how it works. But
Speaker 1: there is like inspiration that I draw from seeing him
Speaker 1: like kind of reachless enlightened state where he's like you
Speaker 1: cannot touch me, because I mean, yeah, I was talking
Speaker 1: to Dylan Marin about that very thing because like I
Speaker 1: was just really worked up one day after some internet
Speaker 1: common or like said something very derogatory and then because
Speaker 1: and Dylan deals with that every day, he really does.
Speaker 1: And then we were talking about this exact point that
Speaker 1: Ruth says that words don't matter, we're shooting her at you,
Speaker 1: and we were like, but wait a minute, doesn't seem
Speaker 1: congrument to this other philosophy that's built around RuPaul. And
Speaker 1: so yeah, that is well, that's drag though, Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: it's it's And again you could also say, you know,
Speaker 1: choosing to be offended or seek out that kind of
Speaker 1: situation is you know, being a part of the mixics
Speaker 1: and willing be being a participant in um the acceptance
Speaker 1: of the bullying you're going to go through. And so like,
Speaker 1: I guess, and I what I think RuPaul like, for example,
Speaker 1: you know he had to take out that you got
Speaker 1: she mail um and everything after contestants that had been
Speaker 1: on the show. We're upset about it and spoke spoke
Speaker 1: out about it. I think RuPaul, maybe he wouldn't admit this,
Speaker 1: but I think he truly feels a little bit offended
Speaker 1: and feels a little bit like, seriously, this is so
Speaker 1: obvious that you're going to like decide to turn against me,
Speaker 1: Like RuPaul, I've heard say like I've been on the
Speaker 1: front lines. Like he's just upset, I think, and maybe
Speaker 1: a little irritated himself for being upset and allowing himself
Speaker 1: to get upset about it, because I think he is
Speaker 1: that like these people that he represents I think one
Speaker 1: way and like are not even biting the hand, but
Speaker 1: like being ungrateful. And I do think that he probably
Speaker 1: checked his own ego about it, or is aware of
Speaker 1: the fact that that is the ego rising well. I
Speaker 1: think I think it's it's hard because it's like, I
Speaker 1: don't think he means that words don't matter. I just
Speaker 1: think it means that you can rise above words that
Speaker 1: like that that that that's that the self prevails. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's really complicated because words, words really can hurt you.
Speaker 1: But they make a point about it on this episode,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, they get into it. Oh
Speaker 1: my gosh. I mean, like, I honestly, I have to
Speaker 1: tell you, I'm like feeling overwhelmed right now because there's
Speaker 1: so much I want to talk about. Because there's Rue,
Speaker 1: there's Roos the person the guru, there's row As the
Speaker 1: host and the mastermind, and then there's just the fucking
Speaker 1: show that I just I mean the show, especially right now,
Speaker 1: in like the trajectory of the season right now, they
Speaker 1: all are very intertwined. So let's start talking about the show.
Speaker 1: We're getting deep, I kind of say, we've we've we've
Speaker 1: gotten deep as ship. Yes, but but you know, I
Speaker 1: have had a hard year and like I just you know,
Speaker 1: and it happens, and like I just I've had like
Speaker 1: just I've just had some ship this year. And I
Speaker 1: in watching RuPaul's drag Race has been in a vital
Speaker 1: part of myself. I mean it's a massive, massive, like
Speaker 1: and and it's not just listening to the Marin interview,
Speaker 1: which I do. I mean I really listened to that
Speaker 1: one because it's just so good and it's like rewatching
Speaker 1: older episodes like it has been a part of healing
Speaker 1: for me this year. So I mean, like I mean,
Speaker 1: and it's and I do have to say, as a woman,
Speaker 1: sometimes it can be confusing because drag is not is
Speaker 1: not my part of my culture. Um, and I'm and
Speaker 1: and there are certain things that by doing it, it's
Speaker 1: appropriation and so I can never fully be like in
Speaker 1: the fandom as much as a gay man can, as
Speaker 1: it should be. But like you kind of it's kind
Speaker 1: of what makes you like a true follower, if that
Speaker 1: makes any sense. Like, I can't put myself in the
Speaker 1: place of a contestant or even a judge on the
Speaker 1: show just by by ruling out like identity, but because
Speaker 1: of the overarching philosophy that Rue has that we're all
Speaker 1: ber naked and the rest is drag, Like you can
Speaker 1: really get like as close as you possibly can and
Speaker 1: still be a part of it all. It's kind of
Speaker 1: even and as gay men who don't do drag cannot
Speaker 1: fully like place ourselves and like immerse ourselves in in
Speaker 1: the same way. It's like there can't be a full
Speaker 1: parity of the things of identity. It's yeah, it's so
Speaker 1: fascinating because the show is truly for everyone. I've never
Speaker 1: met someone who started watching the show and did not
Speaker 1: fall in love with it. And Branson, my boyfriend, straight
Speaker 1: man uh is part of our We have a we
Speaker 1: have a Facebook fan group where we discuss Branson is
Speaker 1: part of the group and he reads everything, but he
Speaker 1: doesn't comment, and he just he and whether or not
Speaker 1: there's a right answer or not, he just is like
Speaker 1: he is even not then just being a straight man.
Speaker 1: He's like it's just He's like, I have opinions, and
Speaker 1: I love talking about them in person. He's like, but
Speaker 1: it feels like co opting the conversation from the place
Speaker 1: of a straight man. He's like, I just can't do it.
Speaker 1: I can say that I welcome those conversations with everybody.
Speaker 1: I mean, I truly just want to talk about it
Speaker 1: with away anyway. Listen, I just I guess, I just
Speaker 1: I just don't care. I just think it's fun. I
Speaker 1: think it's fun for everybody. And also you have to
Speaker 1: remember talking about what who belongs to, what belongs to who,
Speaker 1: Like we're watching men dress up as women and and so,
Speaker 1: and like it's more than that. Yeah, but the thing is,
Speaker 1: we have a contemporary too, and I would like to
Speaker 1: hear what you have to think about this Nicole. And
Speaker 1: this is a great friend of all of ours. And
Speaker 1: I don't even remember, I don't even know if she
Speaker 1: remembers saying this, but one time I was discussing RuPaul's
Speaker 1: drag race with this person and she said, yeah, it's fun.
Speaker 1: It's just a shame that drag queens hate women. And
Speaker 1: I really and this is an extremely smart person, and
Speaker 1: I really had to think about and consider that point
Speaker 1: of view. And I don't even know if they still
Speaker 1: feel this way, but I really had to think about
Speaker 1: and consider and and what do you think about that ideology? Well,
Speaker 1: I think it's hard because because I don't think that
Speaker 1: a lot of drag queens are dressing up as women,
Speaker 1: like that's not how I think. Yeah, for some and
Speaker 1: then for others, it's a character that is an expression
Speaker 1: of femininity, but it's not. It's not an expression of womanhood.
Speaker 1: There's there's so because and and this is this is
Speaker 1: a thought that I have. Uh, when we see on
Speaker 1: RuPaul's Drag Race or in a live performance of drag,
Speaker 1: we're watching the height of a portrayal of an empowered woman.
Speaker 1: And that is not exactly how the natural state of
Speaker 1: womanhood in our society. We don't when we picture a
Speaker 1: woman on the street, we don't see them as a
Speaker 1: supermodel of the world, and we don't see them we
Speaker 1: see them functioning in society, interacting with other people and
Speaker 1: experiencing the oppression that comes along with that. And when
Speaker 1: you think of an empowered woman, it comes in many,
Speaker 1: many different forms. But in a lot of ways, we
Speaker 1: perceive beauty as a weakness that undermines a woman's strength
Speaker 1: of character because we are kind of trained when we're
Speaker 1: growing up that your appearance is antithetical to your intelligence
Speaker 1: or to your sense of self or your creativity or whatever,
Speaker 1: even though of course it isn't. But because the appearance
Speaker 1: of drag is so um crucial to to its success.
Speaker 1: And and so we're watching, we're watching women, and even
Speaker 1: when we say like, oh, she's so fishy, or she
Speaker 1: she passes, or you know whatever, we say, it's not
Speaker 1: it's passes as a woman on the street. It passes
Speaker 1: as a supermodel of the world. And so it's it's like,
Speaker 1: I think it's a love of Yeah, the celebration is
Speaker 1: a love of what womanhood could be. Like I watch
Speaker 1: I watched Drag Queens on the Runway, and I just
Speaker 1: see a type of pride that I like, I feel proud.
Speaker 1: So I don't know, I mean, it's it's hard, like
Speaker 1: I think that there is um when when I know what,
Speaker 1: I know where the thought is coming from. Of like, well,
Speaker 1: it makes because it does make fun of elements of femininity.
Speaker 1: But I think that those elements that are being ridiculed
Speaker 1: are the things that it's holding up A mirror. It's
Speaker 1: not the things that women make fun of them themselves.
Speaker 1: It's it's it's taking possession of what society deems as
Speaker 1: being like something humorous or low about being a woman. Instinct,
Speaker 1: my instinct. I think that was extremely well said. And
Speaker 1: my instinct when I heard this was to of course
Speaker 1: defend the show and defend the queens and defend Roue
Speaker 1: paul Um because I truly feel like it's a celebration. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I really do. I feel like it's I really feel
Speaker 1: like it's um born out of admiration and celebration. And
Speaker 1: to hear that someone could be offended by it, like
Speaker 1: really like send something off on me, I was like,
Speaker 1: oh no, God, well, because the other thing is um.
Speaker 1: Drag Race is so unique because it literally launches careers,
Speaker 1: and so there's also a certain desperation and ambition that
Speaker 1: you see in the show that you definitely see another
Speaker 1: in other reality shows, but it's not as authentic because
Speaker 1: the it's just when you want to win American Idol,
Speaker 1: it's for the chance to become a star. When you
Speaker 1: want to win RuPaul's Drag Race, it is to become
Speaker 1: a start to become the biggest thing in your industry. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean you really, you you walk even if you
Speaker 1: don't win. I mean, yeah, you can come in seventh
Speaker 1: and you can walk away being like I never have
Speaker 1: to have a day job again. I mean, can you imagine.
Speaker 1: I'm honestly, it's it's crazy. I mean, and that's like,
Speaker 1: that's like the mastermind, right, And you know he says like,
Speaker 1: you know this last season being like, you know, the
Speaker 1: hundred queen walking in with Derek Barry and be him
Speaker 1: being like, you know this it's launched the careers of
Speaker 1: a hundred queens, you know. And then like also by association,
Speaker 1: like they're close friends, you know. I think like Thorgies
Speaker 1: success is her cruise success in a way, it's like
Speaker 1: Ruby success. Yeah, I would be interested in how they
Speaker 1: feel about it, but you know, it's it's definitely turns
Speaker 1: the heads in all the directions. Like I say about everything,
Speaker 1: you know, Frank Frank um garcia Hell just posted something
Speaker 1: like this is gonna be then at the time of
Speaker 1: year where a lot of our contemporaries get pretty cool
Speaker 1: jobs and let's be happy for them. And I agree,
Speaker 1: like a rising tide lifts all shift. But I yeah,
Speaker 1: and I think like um, that's with with the Queens too,
Speaker 1: and also drag in general. RuPaul is nominated for an Emmy.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. You look at the content. You look
Speaker 1: at the content and competition like, come on, I mean anyway,
Speaker 1: you watch one episode and you're like, what okay, wait, okay,
Speaker 1: So so this season, Yes, let's talk about the season.
Speaker 1: Uh do you think? I mean? I I have a
Speaker 1: question for you guys, because listeners, we have not been
Speaker 1: able to talk on So this is this is for
Speaker 1: us and for okay, do you guys think that that okay?
Speaker 1: For for people who don't watch the show. Typically, the
Speaker 1: way that the elimination works in a normal season is
Speaker 1: at the bottom two lip sync for their life and
Speaker 1: that the person who then loses, according RuPaul, chooses the
Speaker 1: winner and the loser, and the loser goes home. In
Speaker 1: this season of All Stars, the top two lip sync
Speaker 1: for their legacy. The person who wins chooses who the
Speaker 1: bottom two gets to go home. Do you think that
Speaker 1: the agony and the and the emotion that the queens
Speaker 1: are feeling is what they thought was going to happen
Speaker 1: or did you think that it was going to be
Speaker 1: more that producers thought it was going to be more
Speaker 1: of like a fun caddy thing with drama. But everyone's
Speaker 1: going to be like, well, bitch, we're here to win,
Speaker 1: so this is the way it is. I think that
Speaker 1: it depends on the contestant. And I think that, for example,
Speaker 1: Alyssa Edwards, Queens Queen honestly my favorite, I don't know
Speaker 1: that she will deserve to win in the end. I
Speaker 1: think it's very tough to debate against Alaska. I think
Speaker 1: Alaska is maybe one one of the best drug queens
Speaker 1: ever of all time. I love her, I mean, but
Speaker 1: I think that Alyssa Edwards being so kind of not
Speaker 1: anguished about this whole thing means that she gets it,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And I think, of course
Speaker 1: the producers want there to be agony and drama. That's
Speaker 1: why they sprung on them at the last second. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but those first two episodes, they were hard to were tough,
Speaker 1: and and we had known before that spoiled we had
Speaker 1: we hadn't spoiled. We knew from some intel that this
Speaker 1: was going to be the elimination process. In my mind,
Speaker 1: it was going to be a lot more lightheart like. Yes,
Speaker 1: like you know, because because in a normal season where
Speaker 1: they're not all such close friends. It would be like,
Speaker 1: thank God, I finally have the opportunity send Derek home. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but now it's tough because the relationships. But I also
Speaker 1: think ginger men who just got eliminated by Alyssa does it.
Speaker 1: Her career doesn't hurt for not going on more weeks
Speaker 1: on the show. You know what, No, I don't think so.
Speaker 1: I don't think any of their careers are affected by it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think these are all working queens at the height
Speaker 1: of their fields. I think Coco Montrees will have the
Speaker 1: same or not better career. Do you think that the
Speaker 1: tweets between Coco and Roxy, what do you think about that?
Speaker 1: I think there it's probably it probably feels authentic. Coco
Speaker 1: is probably really mad, or if they're just if this
Speaker 1: is like a setup later and it's like, do you
Speaker 1: actually really have those harsh feelings towards Roxy a year later?
Speaker 1: I think we have to remember that it's drag and
Speaker 1: I think some of them get it and some of
Speaker 1: them don't. And I think some of them are playing
Speaker 1: into it, or I think I think all of this
Speaker 1: is being exhumed for Coco because of the social media reaction.
Speaker 1: They're like, Wow, cocoa Roxy really sucked you over. Follow
Speaker 1: up question that I mean, like I was thinking about
Speaker 1: this day. Do you think that the bit about Fifi
Speaker 1: getting death threats was added into the episode after Fifi
Speaker 1: got can't it seems to on this and this is
Speaker 1: like something that I'm thinking about. So for those of
Speaker 1: you who may not be familiar with it, there's a
Speaker 1: character to call them characters could have to they make
Speaker 1: them into on the show. There's a contestant on the show,
Speaker 1: um on All Stars to Fifi O'Hara, who was on
Speaker 1: season four of Rupol's Drag Race and really has the
Speaker 1: truly the villain persona. She's the villain of the series,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. She was the most knowing,
Speaker 1: vicious contestant in serious history. She was she was a bully.
Speaker 1: She was mean, and she was intolerant, she was selfish,
Speaker 1: She's talk it was horrible. And she's back on the
Speaker 1: show and she was twenty and she was twenty five
Speaker 1: at the time, you know what I mean. Definitely not
Speaker 1: to say that you can't be going through diff I mean,
Speaker 1: a door is twenty five now. So the thing is
Speaker 1: she's come on the All Stars too, and it's been
Speaker 1: pretty clear for her redemption, and she wants to re
Speaker 1: establish her legacy as someone who wasn't mean, as someone
Speaker 1: who wasn't manipulative, as as as a transformed queen, because
Speaker 1: the main conflict was that she thought that, I mean
Speaker 1: kind of similar to Roxy. She thought that that pageant
Speaker 1: pageant queens were true drag queens, that everyone else was
Speaker 1: a hack. Roxy thought that comedy queens were a hack,
Speaker 1: and and Sharon, a spooky queen, was a hack. But
Speaker 1: FIEFI called Sharon Needles go back to party, and that
Speaker 1: was the highest like, you're a cheap ass joke. But
Speaker 1: if you rewatch that fight, that is not the meanest thing.
Speaker 1: She says, No, no, no, no, that's to oh but
Speaker 1: no no, But even that, even that fight where she's
Speaker 1: yelling at Sharon, I rewatched that fight and go back
Speaker 1: to party, say where you belong is like the line,
Speaker 1: but that the whole thing is like kind of worse
Speaker 1: than that, because because Sharon goes to her, Sharon goes
Speaker 1: to her and she's like, well, okay, so I guess
Speaker 1: we'll say it's the meanest thing that Pope says. She goes,
Speaker 1: you're not my sister. Yeah, that I think that's like
Speaker 1: kind of brutal, like because Sharon says, I just wanted
Speaker 1: to tell you because you're like, I can do like
Speaker 1: a sister, and she was, you're not my sister, which
Speaker 1: is like hard and so basically, can you imagine someone
Speaker 1: saying that an All Stars to It's I mean, it's
Speaker 1: it's unthinkable. So basically what's going on in All Stars
Speaker 1: Too is she's come on and she's like, look, that
Speaker 1: wasn't me. I've grown up a lot now. I said
Speaker 1: all those things, but I've changed and now and my
Speaker 1: style of drag has changed. I'm actually more like Sharon
Speaker 1: now than Sharon is. And now she's now become a
Speaker 1: more creative our cosplay play, which, for example, Cosplicy Queen
Speaker 1: is not equal cutting edge. Okay, keep going, so honey,
Speaker 1: she however, has been edited into a sort of villain
Speaker 1: edit again, and you think that someone with experience on
Speaker 1: a reality show who knows should know what not to
Speaker 1: do to get this edit, just wouldn't give him a
Speaker 1: sound bite. But she's a fully come for beloved queen.
Speaker 1: Alyssa Edwards saying she's not that funny is too much
Speaker 1: and like is distracting and just like keep coming for her,
Speaker 1: and it's like, so, what's the deal here? So I mean,
Speaker 1: so Ififie went on her Twitter last week and she said,
Speaker 1: I'm watching this episode at the same time you guys
Speaker 1: you are, I'm devastated. I no idea who was going
Speaker 1: to be getting this villain edit again. The editors have
Speaker 1: screwed me over, the producers have screwed me over. I'm
Speaker 1: getting death threats all over again. This is a nightmare.
Speaker 1: And other queens came to her defense and we're like,
Speaker 1: she was not that bad or what etcetera, etcetera, And
Speaker 1: and those of us on our Facebook group where we
Speaker 1: discuss and ruminate on ruminate on the episodes, we were
Speaker 1: saying like, do we think it's a do we think
Speaker 1: it's producer driven? Do we think it's f FE driven?
Speaker 1: And I had said, I will totally believe that in
Speaker 1: this particular episode she got a villain edit even though
Speaker 1: she didn't do anything wrong. But I do not think
Speaker 1: that the producers would set her up with a villain
Speaker 1: edit if she did not have material to deliver down
Speaker 1: the line. And even in this episode, before last episode,
Speaker 1: there was nothing that she said that was unsavory, like
Speaker 1: um in her in her talking head confessionals, it was
Speaker 1: just it was like this perceived kind of like back Alley,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of mind games that she was playing.
Speaker 1: But in this past week's episode, she had some talking
Speaker 1: heads to the camera where she was being talking about
Speaker 1: a list and it's like, okay, so so first of all,
Speaker 1: I know that there's a big fight coming because it
Speaker 1: is being it is being built up like there's a
Speaker 1: big fight. But I mean, like you said those that
Speaker 1: to producers, if you don't think it's going to be including,
Speaker 1: you can't say that it's an edit if it's what
Speaker 1: you were saying to produce it. To answer your question
Speaker 1: about whether or not heard that whole segment, that whole
Speaker 1: package about her getting death threats for a full year
Speaker 1: was authentic, Like it seems to have worked into the
Speaker 1: workroom scenes where Detox and people are sort of apologized.
Speaker 1: I think so too. I just have I just have
Speaker 1: a gut feeling that producers added that part into the
Speaker 1: episode before it aired this week after last week, like
Speaker 1: they shot pickups no, like I think they had that
Speaker 1: footage and then they were like, let's add in some
Speaker 1: stuff about that, because because I am I feel like
Speaker 1: last week, the blowback to Fifi was so brutal. There's
Speaker 1: a part of me that thinks that producers were like,
Speaker 1: oh no, no, we don't want her getting death threats anymore,
Speaker 1: and like added in like a little bit of a
Speaker 1: SOB story because Matt was pointing out how FIEFI had
Speaker 1: this whole section with what were you saying? I was
Speaker 1: just saying, the edit of the show is confusing this week,
Speaker 1: Its like maybe the show is confusing us a little
Speaker 1: bit on purpose. So I think that for the whole
Speaker 1: first half of the episode, you can't get around the
Speaker 1: fact that literally in the in the opening, when they
Speaker 1: all come back into the workroom and they're getting changed
Speaker 1: out of their outfits from the from the runway for
Speaker 1: the last night, Fefe immediately and goes off on Alyssa.
Speaker 1: It's recurring throughout the episode. She says something to Alyssa
Speaker 1: while they're rehearsing. They have a whole section of Ginger
Speaker 1: Mine assessing Fife's behavior where she's like, Fifi is acting
Speaker 1: manipulative and I think I actually she came on the
Speaker 1: show to do this, blah blah blah. I loved that
Speaker 1: part from gender Ginger was Ginger was great in that
Speaker 1: episode where because also she started off and she's gender.
Speaker 1: She goes, I love Fifi, you know what's true, and
Speaker 1: she was like, but yeah, that was a great moment
Speaker 1: like that, Os was yeah, it's I mean, also, the
Speaker 1: show is so knowing about the edit now, like cutting
Speaker 1: to the producers, like about the sound bites about coming
Speaker 1: back into the workroom. Like the show is so knowing
Speaker 1: about its it knows what it's doing. So then especially
Speaker 1: for something like All Stars, it's like, you know, it's
Speaker 1: us watching the show. It's not first time to yours.
Speaker 1: For the first half of the whole episode, it was
Speaker 1: Fifie this way. And then to have that segment in
Speaker 1: there about how Fifi is getting death threats and have
Speaker 1: that talking head of respected Queen Alaska saying shut the
Speaker 1: funk up to everyone was like hater. Basically like, I'm
Speaker 1: just very interested to see what the end game is
Speaker 1: with Fife with this season because they are giving us
Speaker 1: two different Maybe it is producers during damage control, That's
Speaker 1: what I mean. That was my theory. It seemed so
Speaker 1: out of place that I was just like they they
Speaker 1: had this footage and I'm sure they just were like
Speaker 1: we we are moving forward with our storyline brand the season,
Speaker 1: but we but it out, but we gotta we gotta
Speaker 1: take out a couple minutes of you know, because there
Speaker 1: was no video. Here's another thing, there's no video from
Speaker 1: Meal at the beginning of the episode where um she
Speaker 1: just came in. There was no mini challenge. So I
Speaker 1: mean there was a part of me that was like,
Speaker 1: this was added in. It's just it seems I mean,
Speaker 1: it's a it's a conspiracy theory, but but it is.
Speaker 1: It is my conspiracy theory that it was added in
Speaker 1: as reaction to last week where Fifi bad mouth producers
Speaker 1: for saying that they were giving her a villain edit needlessly,
Speaker 1: which is you know, honestly, I mean, there was there
Speaker 1: was a part in this episode where um she she
Speaker 1: says something to a lista about her. So okay, So
Speaker 1: the part where they're sitting in the chairs and she's
Speaker 1: talking about address the dress, that part was like, Fifi,
Speaker 1: shut the funk up. But the part where they're just
Speaker 1: kind of kidding a round on the stage and she
Speaker 1: said something and she's like, how is how is my
Speaker 1: how is that really good? I mean like both of
Speaker 1: them cracked up at that. I don't think that that
Speaker 1: was like that seemed like no, I would saying rehearsal
Speaker 1: all the time. I mean, like it's it's a joke.
Speaker 1: Who's the fiefie there, I'm the thief. Who do you
Speaker 1: think you're your most spiritually aligned with? Yeah? I would
Speaker 1: do her for snatch came if I had a chance.
Speaker 1: I'm a Katia. You are Katia. I'm okay, we're talking
Speaker 1: about all time, all time. I think I think I
Speaker 1: tried to confide with in this season just because it's
Speaker 1: otherwise it's too broad. Um, I want to say this
Speaker 1: is it's crazy if I see Alaska, but that's not
Speaker 1: even I would say Katia too because I'm because it's
Speaker 1: because I because when she said I finally feel like
Speaker 1: a star, Oh my god, I know it's like, wait,
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't. I don't fully relate to that
Speaker 1: in this in some way, but like that is so
Speaker 1: that's so cool. I mean, she is amazing, I think,
Speaker 1: And and you know what sucks is We're going to
Speaker 1: watch the next episode and the narrative is going to be, well,
Speaker 1: Alyssa just broke the rules that we created and since
Speaker 1: but the only people who care about the rules are
Speaker 1: people who I don't want on the in the show
Speaker 1: anymore anyway, and Roxy, Yeah, I'm not a huge Detox
Speaker 1: can but I knew you guys. I think a lot
Speaker 1: about Detox. I think Detox wants to win very badly.
Speaker 1: I know. I just think that Detox is strength are
Speaker 1: only going to be on the runway. I think Detox
Speaker 1: is a good lip sync or and performer. But I
Speaker 1: said this on The Threat today. It's interesting to watch
Speaker 1: the lip sync between Detox and Alyssa this week because
Speaker 1: you just don't watch Detox. You can't compete with Take
Speaker 1: your eyes off Alissa Edwards. She does the most interesting
Speaker 1: things and funny. She's just you're not able to look
Speaker 1: away from her. And also it's not even just her performance,
Speaker 1: it's the way she does her makeup. It's the way
Speaker 1: she looks. Her eyes explode off the stage. I think
Speaker 1: she's an underrated queen in terms of her looks. I
Speaker 1: will say that Melissa, I mean she's got a distinct
Speaker 1: look that is Alissa Edwards. Like something about the way
Speaker 1: she does her eyes, like you just know it's her.
Speaker 1: It's like when you turn on the radio when you
Speaker 1: know it's um Rihanna, You know what I mean, There's
Speaker 1: just something, right, Riana. What I'm saying is it's like
Speaker 1: it's distinct. It's not just good, it's also distinct, like
Speaker 1: Rox Andrews is good, But is it distinct? Is something
Speaker 1: where people are there's something to be said, And I
Speaker 1: think Alaska is representing this so well. Alaska used to
Speaker 1: have a distinct signature look like the high hair, the beat, whatever,
Speaker 1: But this season she's shown, Oh my god, that's sleep
Speaker 1: from last week, I gaged that was the season for
Speaker 1: me so far. Was Alaska the latex look. Somebody said
Speaker 1: it's what Taylor Swift wish she looked like at the
Speaker 1: met Ball, and I was like, that's literally it, that's true.
Speaker 1: I did Taylor stuffs look at the met Ball. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's where she first started dancing with Tom Hilson.
Speaker 1: If you believe what the people want you to, I
Speaker 1: literally have art. I've got so many. If you think
Speaker 1: that Taylor Swift actually had jury duty, you are mistaken, honey, No, no, no,
Speaker 1: I just I just that is not okay. The day
Speaker 1: after the v m as, when she wasn't there, we're
Speaker 1: suddenly the story comes out, Oh I had jury duty.
Speaker 1: Oh Taylor swifts of the people she goes to jury,
Speaker 1: she took a picture with my mom. I just don't
Speaker 1: believe anything about her is authentic. Okay, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I feel bad, but it's just like I feel bad.
Speaker 1: I don't know, Mike, don't feel bad. The thing is,
Speaker 1: she's had such a weird arc and like we fall
Speaker 1: in love with her, we hate her, we fall back
Speaker 1: in love, we hate her again. I mean, she's now
Speaker 1: gotten to the place where she's too far Yeah, she's
Speaker 1: just too far away. And like, I will always enjoy
Speaker 1: her music. I'm sure I like her music. I love
Speaker 1: what she does for her fans. I do not care
Speaker 1: about who she dates and how many. That is her prerogative.
Speaker 1: You go, girl, shut that said. I heart ts to
Speaker 1: the beach but not Okay, but he was paid to
Speaker 1: wear it, honey, But what's the function, like why it
Speaker 1: can only help his career? It's literally to lie to
Speaker 1: everyone though it's it's it's like, it's like so people
Speaker 1: in Middle America, they believe it, and that to me
Speaker 1: is manipulative, and that that that makes her no better
Speaker 1: than field for a little bit she she is. She
Speaker 1: has posted like four things on Instagram since the since
Speaker 1: since the video, and they're all birthday posts for friends,
Speaker 1: happy birthdays, And he literally said, Kanye West on the thing,
Speaker 1: I'm like this close to overexposure. She's aware of it.
Speaker 1: I hated. Oh that video is so great because she
Speaker 1: sounds so fucking fake on it, the videos, videos for genius.
Speaker 1: I just love anything. I'm a little bit like, let's
Speaker 1: burn the world about the whole thing where I just wanted.
Speaker 1: I want to know. I want every gay celebrity to
Speaker 1: come out. I want everything revealed. I just want this.
Speaker 1: I just don't don't think it's good to everyone have
Speaker 1: all the lies. I don't think it's good for people
Speaker 1: that are good. It's it's not. And I have to
Speaker 1: say I love the draw know it really isn't. I mean,
Speaker 1: I love the drama. I love I love the conspiracies.
Speaker 1: I do believe the conspiracies. But it's on. It's so
Speaker 1: it's so easy to not like her, in my opinion,
Speaker 1: not because not because of the collection of the friends
Speaker 1: or any of that stuff. It's because she is so
Speaker 1: protect Like to me, she seems invincible, Like what could
Speaker 1: she possibly do that would alienate her fan base? She
Speaker 1: already has six like mansions, like what could she possibly do?
Speaker 1: And yet she won't say black lives matter, or she
Speaker 1: won't call herself a feminist, or she won't you know,
Speaker 1: like she wants for Hillary Clinton. So it's like all
Speaker 1: of these things that come from this place of like
Speaker 1: fear and protection of her image. It's so boring to me.
Speaker 1: I'm like, next, Like she's writing her songs like okay,
Speaker 1: like get Mattmern or whatever the fun his name is
Speaker 1: on like some other songs, and for Brittany and we'll
Speaker 1: be fine, yeah, I mean, or something whatever. Hearing like
Speaker 1: the t about her from people that actually work like
Speaker 1: adjacent to her, Like it's pretty revealing. I mean, she's
Speaker 1: so like I can't stress enough. Like she's so good
Speaker 1: to her fans, and she's such a good role model
Speaker 1: for girls in a lot of in a lot of ways,
Speaker 1: like she is the face of her own company, that
Speaker 1: is herself. She plays an instrument, she is going to
Speaker 1: control of her life. She smarts, she doesn't apologize for
Speaker 1: who she dates. I mean, like I do think that
Speaker 1: those things are good. And she is in contact with
Speaker 1: her fans. She's very human. She clearly is grateful for
Speaker 1: the career she has, like she's not an evil person,
Speaker 1: but I just like, I don't know, what does you
Speaker 1: think about the Lena Dunham Amy Schumer um that interview sucks.
Speaker 1: I get money letter and I love it and I
Speaker 1: got and I got it in the morning and I
Speaker 1: was still in bed and I just was like, this
Speaker 1: is awful, shooting victims thing like just I mean, like
Speaker 1: the whole I mean, everything got It's just it was
Speaker 1: all of it was Badah. I think it's just a
Speaker 1: case of like I don't think that they're evil by
Speaker 1: any means. I don't think I don't even think that
Speaker 1: they're racist by any means, Like knowingly, I think that
Speaker 1: they're super privileged. And I think it's a case of
Speaker 1: two super privileged rich people. I just think and like
Speaker 1: talking to each other and then hit and published because
Speaker 1: they feel like they can. I was gonna say, like,
Speaker 1: you know, you think you want to be on a
Speaker 1: fly on the wall, feel like the kind of you
Speaker 1: kind of don't. And it's it's a lot. But Amy
Speaker 1: Schumer is like so from Long Island. It's just when
Speaker 1: she she played a character when she on SNL where
Speaker 1: she was like somebody took it the bachelorette party and
Speaker 1: basically Cecily, it's like Cecily's bachelot party and they're all friends,
Speaker 1: and then it's like her one friend from like the bar, Amy,
Speaker 1: sheone plays like the bartender from the bar she frequents.
Speaker 1: And then um, the press goes missing and Amy was like, okay,
Speaker 1: so somebody took it, and like she something she like
Speaker 1: is that person on some level? Um, Sirens, I think
Speaker 1: that's actually a sign that we should wrap our conversation
Speaker 1: on RuPaul's jag race all starts to with this, So
Speaker 1: how do you see the rest of the season playing
Speaker 1: like map out what you think the rest of the
Speaker 1: season's gonna look like, Nicole the We're now down to six. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're down to six, and I want let's let's give
Speaker 1: a quick recap. We got Alaska the front runner, who
Speaker 1: is you know, incredible entertainer who can do things on
Speaker 1: stage that no one else can. Content. It's a fan
Speaker 1: favorite wild card, I would say, much much improved, new confidence,
Speaker 1: really big time fan favorite. G talx um, you know,
Speaker 1: kind of unparalleled like scene look queen like new drag
Speaker 1: like well known drag queens. Yeah, then we've got Roxy
Speaker 1: Andrews reformed quote unquote bully, runaway Queen of I think
Speaker 1: she's trying, definitely putting in her effort um she I
Speaker 1: think she just I think she's just really good at
Speaker 1: being mean. She's a natural bully, and she's just working
Speaker 1: really hard to just, you know, not indulge that because
Speaker 1: it's a high stress situation. I think she's doing a
Speaker 1: good job. And then we've got villainess Um new cosplay
Speaker 1: artistic queen, former pageant villain of season four, and we
Speaker 1: spoke about at length earlier, how do we see this going? Okay?
Speaker 1: I think this coming week is going to be a
Speaker 1: pairs challenge Top six Classic TOPSI challenge where people are
Speaker 1: paired up and it's going to be Okay, well who
Speaker 1: do we Okay? So I think it's going to be Roxy.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's either going to be I think it's gonna
Speaker 1: be Fifi Alyssa because like that we're being set up
Speaker 1: for that. And then I think it's gonna be I mean,
Speaker 1: I would hope it would be Alaska Cottia because that
Speaker 1: would be so fun. But I think it's going to
Speaker 1: be like Cottia Roxy and Detox Alaska something like that,
Speaker 1: or would be interesting if they paired detox and roxy together,
Speaker 1: is like the two remaining remembers, like the what is
Speaker 1: it now like now that Alaska is out of it?
Speaker 1: Like the two for Alaska Talks. Yeah, but now that
Speaker 1: Alaska is not in Alaska Talk anymore? So what is
Speaker 1: it about road talx roadtox Yeah? Also like sidebar for
Speaker 1: I roll for Alaska Talks. Yeah, um, because it was bullying. Okay,
Speaker 1: So paired challenge. I think paired challenge next week another
Speaker 1: typical um elimination. I think the fall in week is
Speaker 1: going to be when they bring all five queens back,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be half and half, I think someone oh
Speaker 1: probably Yeah, then I guess the doors before and for
Speaker 1: in five probably excuse one of the five from like
Speaker 1: whatever brawl it is. I mean, I think that they're
Speaker 1: going to do something where like the there's gonna be
Speaker 1: like a mini competition just between the eliminated queens and
Speaker 1: whoever wins gets to like replace the person of their
Speaker 1: choosing or maybe the person who eliminated them potentially, And
Speaker 1: then I think that's what I think. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I think that's there's definitely I mean, but who knows
Speaker 1: this This season is truly, it's the architect of the season.
Speaker 1: We can't we can never hope to. But I guess
Speaker 1: I think, I mean, you know, you don't know who
Speaker 1: who's going to make crazy decisions. I would hope that
Speaker 1: the top three would be Alissa, Katia, and Alaska that
Speaker 1: want but you just don't know because none of it
Speaker 1: has made because that's truly up to them. It seems
Speaker 1: like it's not up to the producers, and any top
Speaker 1: three in the last couple of seasons of the actual
Speaker 1: show have been there's been a wild card that stuck
Speaker 1: its way in there. And I think the fact that
Speaker 1: the producers are being so kind of willy and nilly
Speaker 1: with Who Goes Home means that the eliminated Queens must
Speaker 1: come back in a big way. I think there's part
Speaker 1: of me that also thinks like there might just be
Speaker 1: an entire episode that's just eliminated Queens because we have
Speaker 1: this whole vacancy from a door leaving like um but
Speaker 1: but then prepared for that though I have no idea.
Speaker 1: But but it's like, I mean, Rhu just she does
Speaker 1: what she will do. But I think one other thing
Speaker 1: that that I've been thinking about UM obviously Alaska is
Speaker 1: the one to be. She's a revolutionary queen, but I
Speaker 1: wouldn't mind her going home because she's so far ahead
Speaker 1: of everyone else. Like, if you know, if we're talking
Speaker 1: about like Alaska and Asa and Katia, who of those
Speaker 1: three we would rather replace with a wild card? I
Speaker 1: would say I would want Alaska to be replaced just
Speaker 1: because to be more fun to watch, and I would
Speaker 1: I would rather see Katya and Alyssa get to fight
Speaker 1: for the crown then Alaska. Alaska really could have won
Speaker 1: her season, like in a lot of ways she did,
Speaker 1: Like she wasn't the official winner, but she did win
Speaker 1: her season. Yeah, absolutely, and it was I think Jinx's
Speaker 1: win was cool, Like I liked Jinks, but I think
Speaker 1: that Alaska. It's weird watching the show because it feels
Speaker 1: like Alaska one. Yeah alright, Matt, Matt wins. What's your
Speaker 1: outline fort show? I just I think there's been so
Speaker 1: much focus on Fifi that I just think there has
Speaker 1: to be something to do with her. Sometimes what they
Speaker 1: do on the show is they'll focus on a queen
Speaker 1: a lot because their time is up. Yeah. Um, so
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised to see Fifi go Home next week,
Speaker 1: and I also would make the top fucking three. I mean,
Speaker 1: the thing is, in my opinion, in season four, Fifi
Speaker 1: stayed way longer than she should have been. I was
Speaker 1: shocked that she made the top three. So to me,
Speaker 1: like she beat Latrice Royale, I mean, I can't. But
Speaker 1: what the thing is, what if you do watch that
Speaker 1: season you watched the season six lip sync and it's
Speaker 1: Sharon and Fifi's doing It's raining Men. Fifi had tanked
Speaker 1: the challenge for them, then they say they do It's
Speaker 1: raining Men, and Sharon kills her. I mean, Fifi does,
Speaker 1: like her fucking wig comes off and they they disqualified
Speaker 1: William So, which was like the stroke of luck for Fifi.
Speaker 1: But Fifi, Yeah, I do think, though, when I'm rewatching
Speaker 1: season four now because I really needed to final Fifie,
Speaker 1: some of the drags she does towards the end of
Speaker 1: season four is better than a lot of what she's
Speaker 1: done in All Stars to I mean her, she should
Speaker 1: have on a think on Home the first week with
Speaker 1: that horrible performance, her horrible performance, but then that body
Speaker 1: suit wins heamous, I mean, then she comes out with
Speaker 1: that rubber duck bullshit. Okay, so now like, I do
Speaker 1: think we'll have a top three. I I hope that
Speaker 1: they'll give us Alaska, Alyssa, and Katia. However, I do
Speaker 1: have a slight of I just can't see Alyssa winning
Speaker 1: despite what I really want, and I have an aversion
Speaker 1: to Katio winning for some reason. I just feel like
Speaker 1: if Alaska doesn't win, we'll look on it and be like, well,
Speaker 1: we all really know that Alaska was the best. But
Speaker 1: the thing is, like, what would I want to happen?
Speaker 1: I would want to listen to Edwards to win All
Speaker 1: Stars too, But I also think there's something to the
Speaker 1: fact of like she doesn't win and she's like, all right,
Speaker 1: I'll still do my thing. What about you? My only thing?
Speaker 1: And the only thing that also they'll add to this
Speaker 1: just because we're going on time is um I think
Speaker 1: I think we're getting a chantay boat stay or something
Speaker 1: because because it's six laugh and that what we have
Speaker 1: I mean, and even the criticism this week, we're like,
Speaker 1: there's very little to say and and there's the sixth laft.
Speaker 1: There's only three more episodes until we get a top three,
Speaker 1: Like wait a minute, there's there needs to be more.
Speaker 1: We can't just have a six episode season. I think
Speaker 1: I think the series order for this was the season
Speaker 1: order was like eight episodes or something, so we'll see. Well,
Speaker 1: we do have whatever is coming with the eliminated queen. Yes, well,
Speaker 1: what's the preview for next week? Did you? Yeah? It
Speaker 1: was everybody, all the queens like just attacking a Lissa
Speaker 1: for sort of switching the strategy. They also haven't had
Speaker 1: a sewing challenge yet this season, and yeah, they didn't
Speaker 1: go into the challenge for whatever, so basically it was
Speaker 1: entirely focused on them turning on Melissa. Yeah, it's it's
Speaker 1: like it's a shot I'm remembering now. It's like a
Speaker 1: shot of Fifi and Detox and and Roxy all be liked. Well,
Speaker 1: Alyssa changed flipped the script or whatever. So anyway, I
Speaker 1: hate that because honestly, who the fuck if Alyssa had
Speaker 1: eliminated Cott, Uh, that would have been insane, incorrect, incorrect choice.
Speaker 1: And I think I think she's totally in the right
Speaker 1: saying that. Yeah, and also like they didn't look on
Speaker 1: the back line like they were all that shocked. I mean,
Speaker 1: Ginger gives her exit line and then all crack up,
Speaker 1: and it seems like they're all fine, Yeah, I just
Speaker 1: don't want to deal. I don't want to deal with
Speaker 1: them coming for a lesson about this. Well, it's drama, honey.
Speaker 1: Let's move on to I don't think so honey, center
Speaker 1: piece of our podcast here at Lost Culture says, I
Speaker 1: don't think so honey. We have sixty seconds to rail
Speaker 1: against something in culture. But when and I famously do
Speaker 1: not prepare for this, and then I have something prepared,
Speaker 1: You have something prepared. I'm actually going to do a
Speaker 1: call back with mine, so, um, do you mind getting
Speaker 1: you make any time? I'm gonna get the time already.
Speaker 1: And we've had some amazing I don't think so honeys
Speaker 1: in the pass, we've had a high bar. Do you
Speaker 1: are you prepared? I have not prepared something. But that's
Speaker 1: what makes Nicole a great improviser see her on the nightmare.
Speaker 1: And that's what makes this a great segment, is that
Speaker 1: people don't come prepared. Okay, let's go all right, here
Speaker 1: we go. I don't think so, honey, and the sixty
Speaker 1: seconds begins now. I don't think so many people who
Speaker 1: listen to this podcast and don't play it at one
Speaker 1: point five speed, Mama, I don't think so honey, if
Speaker 1: you expect to sit through this podcast and finish this
Speaker 1: episode listening to us at normal speed. I cannot stand
Speaker 1: the speed that normal humans talk at, and I would
Speaker 1: rather die than listen to a podcast of recorded dialogue
Speaker 1: where it's not spoken at one point five speed. Guys,
Speaker 1: try this out, just just just hear me out. I
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey. Play any podcasts, play any YouTube video.
Speaker 1: This has gone on to YouTube videos for me. I
Speaker 1: refused to watch a YouTube video without playing at one
Speaker 1: point five speed because I do not have enough time
Speaker 1: in my day to listen to someone speak at regular speed. Mama,
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. Try this out. Listen to
Speaker 1: this podcast at one point five speed. We all sound
Speaker 1: so much better, so much smarter, so much wittier than
Speaker 1: we would if we if we spoke at just one
Speaker 1: uh one one time speed. Okay, try it out two times.
Speaker 1: Two times speed is too much. One point five is
Speaker 1: just that perfect middle ground. I'm like Goldilocks, bitch, this
Speaker 1: is speed. I don't think so, honey. Listened to this
Speaker 1: podcast at one points that's one minute? Oh I ran
Speaker 1: in a steam there, but my drove Okay, here we go, Matt, Rodgers.
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. Time starts now. I don't
Speaker 1: think so, honey. The face of sensationalism, bo and Yang.
Speaker 1: Here he comes riding through. I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: On my podcast to honestly asserting that you should listen
Speaker 1: to it at an unnatural pace. This is insane. We
Speaker 1: listen to podcasts to connect. We listen to podcasts to
Speaker 1: hear a human voice, not a human voice pitched up. Honey,
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. Listen. I don't want to
Speaker 1: say you shake your head. I don't think so. You
Speaker 1: and this millennial culture, this comment culture coming in here,
Speaker 1: needing to rip apart what's natural. And you know that.
Speaker 1: But I don't think so, honey. Bow and Yang, Bowen Yan.
Speaker 1: You're gonna see him in thirty years. He's gonna have
Speaker 1: a new face. He's gonna be plastic surgery. We're gonna
Speaker 1: go out to l A and Bowen Yang is going
Speaker 1: to prescribe, is going to prescribe to what all? He's
Speaker 1: gonna change himself. I don't need anyone to change my voice.
Speaker 1: My voice is high enough and fast enough. If I
Speaker 1: said something, you can tell I sat at the pace
Speaker 1: I wanted to say. It's I'm gonna say slowly. I
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey. Don't you dare listen to this
Speaker 1: any faster than it should have? And that's one minute, Matt.
Speaker 1: Let's say something clarifying, bitch. Oh yeah, by all means
Speaker 1: be your own pr one point five times. Speed does
Speaker 1: not mean you pitch up. There's nothing to do with
Speaker 1: pitch Mama, don't get it twisted perfect, that's what I mind. Listen.
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry you had to see that. Mommy, daddy,
Speaker 1: Please don't fight. I'm the daddy. I'm the daddy. I'm
Speaker 1: the mam. Alright, so stupid. Alright, Nicole, it's time. This
Speaker 1: is it. It's this is your legacy. This is they
Speaker 1: have to think about it like that, all about legacy.
Speaker 1: This is Nicole's. I can see. I don't think starts
Speaker 1: right now. I don't think so, honey. You you shown
Speaker 1: me in the movie Joy on an airplane? No the
Speaker 1: fuck way, I don't think so, honey. An airplane is
Speaker 1: a fucking prison. I can't leave. There's a screen in
Speaker 1: front of me. I can't tear my eyes away. Well,
Speaker 1: you want me to gouge my eyes on a plane?
Speaker 1: Give me a spoon, Honey, I'll try. The movie Joy
Speaker 1: is a fucking phantasmagoria indulgence by whoever the funk came
Speaker 1: up with the idea. It has no plot, it has
Speaker 1: no talent. I don't think so, honey. You want to
Speaker 1: tell me that Jennifer Lawrence is supposed to play more
Speaker 1: than one age and we're supposed to feel bad for her. Honey,
Speaker 1: Jennifer Lawrence has the most terrible life in that movie,
Speaker 1: and you know how it ends, she gets a more
Speaker 1: terrible life. I don't care about that, mop. Why is
Speaker 1: that movie three hours long? Why is it from the
Speaker 1: three different styles? It's I'm on an airplane, bitch, don't
Speaker 1: do this to me. I don't think so, honey. I'd
Speaker 1: rather the plane go down with me and the president
Speaker 1: on it. Then we have to see one her frame
Speaker 1: of Joy the film one more time and Oscar not.
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. One a minute. Let me
Speaker 1: tell you something. There was a problem in Hollywood, and
Speaker 1: it's Jennifer Lawrence playing age. I can't. She plays all ages.
Speaker 1: She plays your six year old niece, she plays her
Speaker 1: eighty year old dying grandmother of all times? Who are
Speaker 1: you kidding. I don't even think that David Russell came
Speaker 1: up with the story. It's like there was a script
Speaker 1: and David Russell got it and he was like, I
Speaker 1: love it, and then he was like, I'm rewriting it
Speaker 1: it that's right, this right. But her script got totally rewritten.
Speaker 1: She is not responsible for what we saw. But here's
Speaker 1: the thing. It is the worst movie I've ever seen
Speaker 1: any Before it came out, there was like Oscar talked
Speaker 1: about Jennifer Lawrence in the biblepic of a woman that
Speaker 1: came up with the miracle mop. I was like, fuck you,
Speaker 1: I am not seen that, and then I can't. She
Speaker 1: tried to watch her on the plane. Jennifer Lawrence wasn't
Speaker 1: terrible in it. She was. She was fine. She's the
Speaker 1: best she could. But god, that movie is fucking It's
Speaker 1: a scourge. It's I mean, look, this is David Russell
Speaker 1: is so hit or miss though. I mean he's also
Speaker 1: like a bad person miss and he's and the way
Speaker 1: he's talked to what's her name, no, not that's who
Speaker 1: it was disgusting. And he got into a fist fight
Speaker 1: with George George Claney. I can't even deal with I
Speaker 1: literally can't deal with anyone that says that one David masculinity, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that masculine. I mean no, no, I could put someone
Speaker 1: on blast right now. Let's just say I'm close to
Speaker 1: someone that called our neighbor the sea word, even if
Speaker 1: she was being difficult, and I was like, you can't
Speaker 1: do that. You have to tell me after her. Yes,
Speaker 1: we have a lot of names that we need to share.
Speaker 1: We've been a mutual friend. Mutual friend, that's money, all
Speaker 1: the tea, and literally it's no tea, it's all, it's all,
Speaker 1: it's no shade, it's all try. The only name we
Speaker 1: did say today was Jennie Stol God bless. I love her.
Speaker 1: I love her. This has been such an amazing episode.
Speaker 1: And can I tell you this is a reveal. The
Speaker 1: first time at Nicole Silverberg was we were in training
Speaker 1: for story Pirates and we were put in a story
Speaker 1: together for training. It was about I played a bully, yes,
Speaker 1: and you played the bullies girl. And we hadn't spoken
Speaker 1: before that, and Nicole's character choice was to come out
Speaker 1: with a speech impediment. Remember, everyone was like that, that's
Speaker 1: very cool. They hired somebody with a speech impediment. Because
Speaker 1: you did such a good speech impedim And then later
Speaker 1: on we spoke and I was like, she doesn't have
Speaker 1: a speech pedim at all. She just is a genius.
Speaker 1: That's what everything good. That's what everybody was speech impediment realness. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm the bowies, go find We're going to make a
Speaker 1: whirlwind herricane in the hallway authetic. I remember, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: you remember the details. I remember there was stink bombs
Speaker 1: in it. Oh yeah, what do you tho played on
Speaker 1: a janitor. Yes, that was great. And so she's a
Speaker 1: maid it was in that as well. Yes, really insane.
Speaker 1: But this is it's just so funny. And literally I
Speaker 1: did not know that people thought that I had a
Speaker 1: speech in pediment. That gives me a great joy. Literally
Speaker 1: somebody was like, that's crazy. I guess Nicole really has
Speaker 1: a speech and peniman and I was like, you know,
Speaker 1: I guess. You know it's important hires diversity, diversity. We
Speaker 1: needed someone like you can't pronounce that ours um, and
Speaker 1: then you pronounced the ours wonderfully. Thanks stark Yard, guys,
Speaker 1: this has been Nicole Silverberg, thank you so much for
Speaker 1: being a guest host with Anna Dresen and potentially someone
Speaker 1: new now, Yeah, Rachel, thank you, we're taking over the podcast. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we have to get Rachel on um. This is Last
Speaker 1: culturesas tune in next time time. We're so excited and
Speaker 1: watch Ruphl's fucking drag race. Yes, love By. This has
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