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Speaker 4: Use as directed. Oh my back, my neck. All right,

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Speaker 4: let's get into this one.

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Speaker 5: So.

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Speaker 3: Von Miller had some interesting things to say about some

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Speaker 3: of the all time great quarterbacks, and a lot of

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Speaker 4: Von Miller has something to say about that, you know.

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Speaker 6: So there's gonna be a debate between Peyton Manning and

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Speaker 4: You know?

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Speaker 6: For me, it'll always be Peyton Manning. He changed the

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Speaker 6: quarterback position from Chicky Chicky.

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Speaker 4: You know this more than me. You can quarterback from

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Speaker 4: cheke you check.

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Speaker 6: You change the play, come on, Chicken's play changed to

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Speaker 4: He wasn't scrambling and doing all of that stuff. He

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Speaker 7: Man.

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Speaker 6: And people say the guys are humble, but like Bro,

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Speaker 4: Whenever you pulled up. You see his music because he

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Speaker 4: drove for Buick, because he had the Buick deal. I

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Speaker 4: had a fundraiser event for Bum's vision. He was there, man,

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Speaker 7: And ringing endorsement for Peyton Manning there. You may be

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Speaker 7: shocked to hear. What Well, that's why I'm gonna let

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Speaker 7: you go first. I'm gonna I'm gonna throw it over

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Speaker 7: to you. You played in the league. You were good

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Speaker 4: Uh see he said you were good.

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Speaker 7: No, I was good enough, man. I had a good career.

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Speaker 7: It was fun, you know, for someone who came to

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Speaker 4: Dorouble did you years long time?

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Speaker 7: One hundred and fifty nine games on hundred fifty six

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Speaker 4: You won. Seriously, you know what I mean? You got

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Speaker 3: It's one thing to get there is another thing to

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Speaker 4: That's remarkable.

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Speaker 7: So that being said, this is my take, and I've

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Speaker 7: this isn't crazy.

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Speaker 7: I don't think that. And this is why I say that.

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Speaker 7: Vaughn is right. When he says he changed the quarterback

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Speaker 7: Tom Brady, okay, but for my money, Tom B Peyton

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Speaker 7: Manning was a more feared quarterback than Tom Brady.

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Speaker 4: I'll say it like that.

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Speaker 3: I like the way you put that, because at the end,

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Speaker 3: I think Tom Brady was more feared winner, meaning somehow

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Speaker 3: of Tom Brady Peyton. Excuse me, yes, a few examples

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Speaker 3: of this. So first, and let me say this. This

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Speaker 3: Sometimes they are one of the same, sometimes they're not

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Speaker 3: to me, and sometimes you can be the better quarterback,

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Speaker 3: Peyton Manning, but the greater quarterback is Tom Brady. And

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Speaker 3: some of that is brother where you land, because there's

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Speaker 3: he probably y'all want to throw my name. And if

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Speaker 3: we're talking about pure just simple talent throwing the ball,

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Speaker 4: Right, there's a handful of other people.

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Speaker 3: Steve Young might say, hey, don't forget your boy if

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Speaker 3: you're talking just talent. But Tom Brady wasn't that with Peyton.

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Speaker 3: He didn't come in with that. Peyton came in with

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Speaker 3: it's him. But because we judge quarterbacks by what wins. More,

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Speaker 3: we don't judge offensive linemen by wins. We don't drugg safeties, linebackers.

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Speaker 3: Quarterbacks are the only position in football that plays outside

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Speaker 3: he just has the greater story, the greater arc, and

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Speaker 3: that's to me why he's the greatest quarterback of all time.

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Speaker 7: I've lost to Tom Brady up by thirteen with two

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Speaker 4: How did this happen? It's out of control, man, I

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Speaker 3: And that's what I mean. So it's crazy you feared Peyton.

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Speaker 3: The duration of the game right zero to sixty minutes.

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Speaker 7: The first time the Houston Texans beat the Indianapolis Colts,

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Speaker 7: And our game plan and this is what I mean

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Speaker 7: Chris Brown the kicker, not the singer. I mean, he

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Speaker 7: Peyton it for my money, he was the most feared

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Speaker 3: Also a couple of other things you're talking about Peyton.

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Speaker 3: Tom Brady is still I still believe he's to go

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Speaker 3: the greatest when you encompass everything. But he didn't necessarily

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Speaker 3: revolutionize the game. No Manning revolutionized Allah Shack. Nobody's saying

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Speaker 3: Shack's the best ever but sometimes you're talking about the

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Speaker 3: they stopped. You can't do this. We had to change

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Speaker 3: Like that's crazy. Peyton was doing that revolutionizing game, the

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Speaker 3: way you mentioned, the way he was calling things at

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Speaker 3: Daggett John Madden Football had to add the quarterback vision,

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Speaker 3: and he was the only one whose vision was.

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Speaker 4: The entire field. If you remember that.

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Speaker 4: Everybody else will be a slipper or whatever they were.

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Speaker 3: You know, like if you had Anthony richardson right now,

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Speaker 3: it would be like, uh, it'd be yeah, it'd be

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Speaker 7: No, he was a dominant, dominant quarterback in a very

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Speaker 7: scary player to give the ball to. Sure, he just

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Speaker 7: made you guess wrong. Man, I've seen an offensive lineman

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Speaker 7: wide open, and I'm like, how so I want to throw.

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Speaker 3: Some numbers out here. Those guys kind of how they

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Speaker 3: went up against each other, all right, So in terms

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Speaker 3: I had to have matchups. This is Brady all day.

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Speaker 4: Brady's teams posted an eleven and six record against Manning's teams.

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Speaker 3: Manning, however, was three and one against Brady in AFC

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Speaker 3: championship games. Now he won both of those AFC titles.

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Speaker 3: Matt at games when he was with the Broncos and

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Speaker 3: Miller played von Miller of course played a role because

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Speaker 3: listen to his game, he had to get them there.

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Speaker 3: In twenty fifteen, the man had two and a half

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Speaker 3: in a pass breakup in four quarterback hits.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that'll do it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why he's gonna get a jacket to go

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Speaker 9: Tom Brady? Is it post to Bate Manny? I put

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Speaker 3: May listen, I'm not mad at you. This is Tom Brady.

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Speaker 10: It's going off, it's going on. Oh man, I'm not

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Speaker 4: I'm not that man.

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Speaker 10: It's my goat. Four and O beat seven and three.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate it. John, I told you there's like four

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Speaker 7: And then that fourth can maybe be a peyton or

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Speaker 4: Just wins aside. That's just the best quarterback I ever seen.

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Speaker 12: Thanks for taking the call.

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Speaker 13: Listen. I can give Tom Brady the greatest of all time.

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Speaker 13: And what was the results, right, Patrick Boss? The last

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Speaker 12: But he's the others are.

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Speaker 3: I don't think it's a gap. I'm agree with you, Drean.

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Speaker 3: a huge gap. All right, let's go to Vegas with Tony. Tony,

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Speaker 12: Thanks for taking a call. Hey, listen, listen, man. Anybody

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Speaker 12: the stack, I want try to do me a favorite

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Speaker 12: and talk about it when i'm when I'm when I

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Speaker 12: hang up. Okay, go compare tom Brady's number to Marino,

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Speaker 12: to John Alway and to your boy Peyton Manning, and

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Speaker 12: then talk about what you see. Tom Brady holds the

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Speaker 12: record for the most passing yards eighty nine thousand, two

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Speaker 12: hundred fourteen passing touchdown, six hundred forty nine, record season

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Speaker 12: wins two hundred and fifty one, and seven Super Bowls.

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Speaker 3: All right, so, Tony, I'm about to catch you off.

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Speaker 3: You wanted us, Tony, you wanted us to talk about it, Tony,

446
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Speaker 3: thank you for the call. Let me tell you what

447
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Speaker 3: we're gonna say. Tom Brady is that guy without a doubt.

448
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Speaker 3: But let's not act like he didn't play. He was

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Speaker 3: sixty three, Okay, he played till he was sixty three.

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Speaker 7: And you gotta remember, Tom Brady played long enough to

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Speaker 7: beat those records that Drew Brees had and Paydon Manning.

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Speaker 7: So he played three four years longer than those guys

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Speaker 7: to eclipse those records. So if you look at that

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Speaker 7: body of work that they had during the same amount

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Speaker 7: of years that they're played, tom Brady's not close to

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Speaker 7: Drew Brees are paid Manny. Just so you understand, Tony,

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Speaker 7: I get it. The longevity thing, like, no one is

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Speaker 7: going to eclipse Lebron James's scoring title because he's still

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Speaker 7: playing in your twenty two.

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Speaker 4: And probably gonna average at least twenty two.

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Speaker 7: Right, and he may play another year, So that's things

462
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Speaker 7: gonna get up to fifty thousand points. No one's coming

463
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Speaker 7: close to that. But that's that doesn't make him the

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Speaker 7: greatest player ever in my opinion, it makes him the

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Speaker 7: great having the greatest career ever, the greatest longevity of

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Speaker 7: an athlete ever, and those are two different things.

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Speaker 4: In my opinion.

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Speaker 3: One more real question to California. Well, we are in California.

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Speaker 3: You go to Chris in California. Chris, you are with

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Speaker 3: the id couple of Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 10: What's up, guys, Good brother, Good to hear you.

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Speaker 9: Brother.

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Speaker 10: You was just saying about Tom Brady about his stats.

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Speaker 9: He played a long time.

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Speaker 10: You got to think about if he actually could get weapons. Bilichick,

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Speaker 10: he sucked at drafting players.

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Speaker 4: Did you ain't wrong about that? You know what I wrong

478
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Speaker 4: about that?

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Speaker 10: Imagine if he was Sean p with a Sean Payton

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Speaker 10: or with a Andy Reid and actually got weapons.

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Speaker 11: So you can't say that right there.

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Speaker 4: I'll tell you this.

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Speaker 7: Tom Drew Brees made more seventh round and sixth round

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Speaker 7: draft pick receivers to top tier receivers than anybody.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, oh yeah, he got a whole list of Listen,

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Speaker 4: Peyton had all the receivers.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, if Peyton didn't have nothing, he had some receivers,

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Speaker 3: and he had Edrian James for a gang of years

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Speaker 3: as well. But but to you know, when you're looking

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Speaker 3: at what TV twelve was even able to do, you

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Speaker 3: got to look at the other side of the all,

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Speaker 3: Peyton feels like, man, if I had a better defense

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Speaker 3: a handful of years, I would have won some rings,

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Speaker 3: more rings. So it's you're never gonna have the perfect team,

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Speaker 3: you know what I mean? Because Tom would imagine he

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Speaker 3: wanted some more weapons, but he always had a great

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Speaker 3: special teams and a really good defenses. And then Peyton

498
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Speaker 3: always had good offenses, was struggling on the defensive end.

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Speaker 3: So otherwise somebody would run off seven straight if they

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Speaker 3: had the perfect team. Like that, great conversation, appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: If I do want to throw one more at you.

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Speaker 3: As week before we get to Monci, we named a

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Speaker 3: bunch of guys we all kind of agree they're right

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Speaker 3: all in that mix whoever you want to choose, whatever

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Speaker 3: you're liking is. But where is Patrick Mahomes and all this?

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Speaker 3: I want you to answer that. On the other side,

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Speaker 3: if we have a shot in all of this, Mancey

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Speaker 3: is gonna get a set on what's trending MONSI.

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Speaker 3: Patrick Mahomes probably halfway mark of his career. He can,

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Speaker 3: you know, have another eight, nine, ten years. Where is

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Speaker 3: he in all of this? I think he's nipping at

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Speaker 3: the heels. I think he has the ability to surpass

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Speaker 3: even Tom Brady. You know, as long as Andy Reid

518
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Speaker 3: and he sticked together. The defense billed him out last year,

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Speaker 3: for sure, he has to recover.

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Speaker 7: Like last year was a down year for him, even

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Speaker 7: though they were fifteen and two. It surely wasn't because

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Speaker 7: of him and so, and that's to be expected. He's

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Speaker 7: played a lot of football. They've been in a lot

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Speaker 7: of Super Bowls, a lot of NFC Championship games pretty

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Speaker 7: much his whole career, even when he didn't start, but

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Speaker 7: even when he was on the bench, they were playing

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Speaker 7: like that with Alex Smith. So he went to the

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Speaker 7: right situation, the right program, and they're maximizing that. I

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Speaker 7: look for him to have a bounce back year. They

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Speaker 7: shored up that offensive line, took care of my guy

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Speaker 7: Big Tray, and brought some pieces in there. So I'm

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Speaker 7: looking for Kansas City Chiefs and Patrick Mahomes to bounce back.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 7: You know, I think he's clearly one of the if

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Speaker 7: not the top quarterback in the league. Now, other quarterbacks

536
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Speaker 7: bring a little other dimension in terms of running. With

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Speaker 7: Lamar and Josh they have something else. But Patrick Mahomes

538
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Speaker 7: is a murderer with that football man. Yeah, he'll cut

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Speaker 7: your head off.

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Speaker 3: And he I think the adds to the allure of

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Speaker 3: it all is too Sometimes. I talk about this all

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Speaker 3: the time when Rob and I are going at different conversations.

543
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Speaker 3: Sometimes it isn't just numbers. Sometimes it even even just wins.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes it's something has to be magical. Right if Jordan

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Speaker 3: had all the same numbers and that, but he was

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Speaker 3: Tim Duncan, like you kind of view it a little different.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, right, But he was balled.

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Speaker 3: He had to, you know, early on the chain when

549
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Speaker 3: he was doing dump contests and he's got the bag

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Speaker 3: of your shorts, he's ball head. He's got the tongue

551
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Speaker 3: on like all of these things in his layup package

552
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Speaker 3: was something we'd never seen before. He if he was

553
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Speaker 3: doing the same effectiveness but just normal layups, you'd be like, okay,

554
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Speaker 3: it's the asset. It just was something unique. I mentioned

555
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Speaker 3: Muhammad Ali. There been dozens of great fighters, but his style,

556
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Speaker 3: the dancing, the talking, smack in the ring out the

557
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Speaker 3: ring and just his something to it. He had the face,

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Speaker 3: he had the looks. It was just sometimes to me,

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Speaker 3: you have to have that. Patrick Mahomes kind of came

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Speaker 3: in with that. He had the haircut, He's throwing behind

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Speaker 3: the back passes, throwing left handed passes cross the body

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Speaker 3: of the looks. It was just like, Okay, not only

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Speaker 3: are you good, but you're making it fun to watch

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Speaker 3: as well. And I think sometimes you know, that has

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Speaker 3: to be an element to it as well. And Lennox Lewis,

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Speaker 3: nobody likes to bring him up because it was just

567
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Speaker 3: kind of boring.

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Speaker 4: Jab jab jab and I won the fight. Mike Tyson

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Speaker 4: was taking heads off.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so you think highly of him when in reality,

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Speaker 3: I don't know, maybe Lennox Lewis was. I mean, I

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Speaker 3: know they fought, but maybe even if they fought when

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Speaker 3: pre Mike Tyson going to prison, maybe Lennox low still

574
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Speaker 3: wins because he was just maybe a better fighter. But

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Speaker 3: you think highly of Mike because the aesthetics of it

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Speaker 3: all as well set out that to say, I think

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Speaker 3: that's another thing that bodes well for Patrick Mahomes. Those

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Speaker 3: first five years or so, it was a blast to

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Speaker 3: just watch him play. Oh yeah, must see TV. You

580
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Speaker 3: never knew what you were about to see. And I

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Speaker 3: think that plays a role into it too. But yeah,

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Speaker 3: he's got a shot, though he absolutely has to shot.

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Speaker 3: Now what he has to avoid or or replicate that

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Speaker 3: Tom Brady had, So he either has to avoid it

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Speaker 3: or he's gonna have to do it. Tom didn't have

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Speaker 3: that and didn't have another run of like, I don't

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Speaker 3: see him having a lull. That's why I put him

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Speaker 3: up there. That's why, because you know, look, they're gonna

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Speaker 3: get that thing right. It's a well run organization, and

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Speaker 3: so it's.

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Speaker 4: I don't see there. They draft better.

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Speaker 7: Than the Belichick and and and the Patriots did, So

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Speaker 7: I think he has an opportunity to really do something

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Speaker 7: special and I'm here for it. The excitement of that

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Speaker 7: and where we are quarterback wise in this league. I

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Speaker 7: played in, in my opinion, the greatest era of quarterbacks

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Speaker 7: with all the aforementioned Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, all right,

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Speaker 7: Philip Rivers, Philip Rivers.

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Speaker 4: So it was it was NonStop, like you were yeah, man,

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Speaker 4: hold on me.

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Speaker 7: That's that's the sweet, sweet era of of because that's

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Speaker 7: why the league became a passing league, right, that became

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Speaker 7: It became a passing league because of these great quarterbacks

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Speaker 7: and their ability to just shred defenses and take control

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Speaker 7: over offenses. So we're in the dynamic era now then,

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Speaker 7: oh yeah, if that was a passing era, we're in

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Speaker 7: the dynam's it's we're in the Oh cool, I didn't

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Speaker 7: know y'all had another offensive lineman. No, that's our quarterback,

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Speaker 7: Josh Allen, Like, you know, what is this six six

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Speaker 7: ginormous running over people but can pass, but can just

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Speaker 7: jump through people like Superman.

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Speaker 4: I mean, then Lamar Jackson is phenomenal.

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Speaker 3: Jalen hurts his passing just when you're you're out on

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Speaker 3: the passing for him. He outplays Patrick Mahomes and through

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Speaker 3: the air in two Super Bowls and lost one. But

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Speaker 3: and so we're in this just we're in a good space,

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Speaker 3: right Chick Mahomes as we mentioned there too, Bo Knicks

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Speaker 3: get out there. Had four hundred plus yards rushing as well.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, and the quarterback class coming up this year to

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Speaker 7: see what they can do and then next year. So

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Speaker 7: the NFL is in a good spot. Quarterback position, in

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Speaker 7: a quarterback lead is in the league, is in a

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Speaker 7: good spot.

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Speaker 4: Hey Daniels, Shoot, oh man, we got some CJ. Strauss.

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Speaker 3: We got one last dinosaur who's having as having a

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Speaker 3: really nice career and still what's more, he left to

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Speaker 3: be desired. If you're asking him, that would be Jared

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Speaker 3: Goff kind of just I just be there. Yeah, I

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Speaker 3: just don't ask me to run. Matthew Stafford same way.

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Speaker 3: Matthew Stafford adn't run at this no one.

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Speaker 4: But I only didn't mention him because he's older.

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Speaker 3: I was saying like this, Yeah, I get younger matth

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Speaker 3: Staffords almost for Izzy forty almost forty, so thirty seven.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I'm thinking more of the younger guys because

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Speaker 3: I can't. Is there anyone else who's just I'm a

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Speaker 3: statue when I pass?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, those days of looking for that guy, because even

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Speaker 7: justin Herbert, he'll get out there and move, he's got to.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: I don't think there's any a great running quarterback at

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Speaker 7: Oregon too, like he would take off and give it

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Speaker 7: to you.

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Speaker 3: Lamar Jackson is the best player in football though, of course,

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Speaker 3: of course, and this goes to the conversation. Yet, if

645
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Speaker 3: you said it was third and six, who am I

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Speaker 3: giving the ball to anybody in the NFL give the

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Speaker 3: ball to Patrick Mahomes.

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Speaker 4: There in lines of difference right there