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Speaker 1: Hey everybody, and welcome to another edition of the Dave

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Speaker 1: Pash Podcast. I'm your host ESPN and Arizona Cardinals play

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Speaker 1: by play announcer Dave Pash. My guest this week is

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Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals head coach Jonathan Gannett JG. As he's known

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Speaker 1: around the building and to his friends across the NFL

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Speaker 1: man he is a breath of fresh air, great energy, enthusiasm,

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Speaker 1: so smart, detail oriented, and the players love him and

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Speaker 1: I think the fans are going to continue to find

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Speaker 1: out that they're going to fall in love with JG

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Speaker 1: as well, based on the fact that Cardinals are going

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Speaker 1: to win and when the winning comes, the coach has

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Speaker 1: always beloved and I think we saw glimpses of that

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Speaker 1: last year. You can see why there is a culture

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Speaker 1: built and a foundation that's been laid and it's heading

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Speaker 1: in a positive direction. Starts with Michael Manti, asin Fort

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Speaker 1: and coach gannon and we're going to talk with JG

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Speaker 1: about a lot of things regarding the upcoming season. We'll

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Speaker 1: also get deep into detail on his ever growing relationship

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Speaker 1: with quarterback Kyler Murray.

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Speaker 2: Our relationship has been awesome. I think it's going to

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Speaker 2: go to another level. I think it can still grow,

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Speaker 2: as any relationship can, but it comes from a place

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Speaker 2: of we understand each other, we trust each other.

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Speaker 1: up the heat in the Valley with the Arizona Cardinals

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Speaker 1: fandom card by HeLa River Resorts and Casinos. Time now

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Speaker 1: for our conversation with Cardinals head coach Jonathan Gannon.

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Speaker 2: JG.

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Speaker 1: First of all, great Sceni man, thanks for doing this.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for having me on. Yeah, good to see you too.

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Speaker 2: So give me belated birthday? Did you turn forty five?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Close, You're off by just a bit JG. When

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Speaker 1: you start to get to this point, you'll see it

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Speaker 1: in the future. They're no longer happy man, They're just birthdays.

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Speaker 1: Birth But I appreciate it, buddy, Thank you, thank you so.

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Speaker 1: First of all, what you're one of year two? For you,

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Speaker 1: when you think about the differences that you've noticed so far,

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Speaker 1: what's the easier what's more challenging?

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Speaker 2: Maybe I probably would say, Dave, that's a good question.

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Speaker 2: Easier is you have kind of a template of what

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Speaker 2: you used, how you did things, why you made those decisions.

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Speaker 2: The hard thing is is I always look and say

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Speaker 2: all right, we're going to make a change. While I

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Speaker 2: was convicted on that, why are we making a change?

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Speaker 2: So I think it's just like turning over every stone

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Speaker 2: to say, if we are going to make a change,

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Speaker 2: here's why. Why are we doing that? Hopefully for the

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Speaker 2: betterment of the players all the time, but I think that,

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Speaker 2: you know, we got a lot of good people in

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Speaker 2: take their input and their opinion and then ultimately make

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Speaker 2: the decision. But it's probably a double edged sword. Like

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Speaker 2: things that you're convicted on, you always want to look

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Speaker 2: at everything, how can we make it better? And then

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Speaker 2: sometimes it's like, well, I'm not just going to change

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Speaker 2: the change. This was really good and let's keep it good.

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Speaker 2: You know, so other things, you know, you might say,

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Speaker 2: sticking with your conviction convictions, but always growing.

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Speaker 1: I've talked with and worked with a lot of coaches

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Speaker 1: over the years that give up play calling. That's what

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Speaker 1: they loved, but gave it up for obvious reasons. You're

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Speaker 1: running now a whole franchise or in college, which it

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Speaker 1: is a franchise. It's just called college football, but it's

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Speaker 1: the same thing and probably even more duties with college football,

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Speaker 1: and a lot of those guys miss it. How did

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Speaker 1: look when you look back, How hard was it, you know,

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Speaker 2: That's a great question. Not hard, because I was convicted

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Speaker 2: I will say so it wasn't hard to say, hey,

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Speaker 2: So it's all good. But that's the one thing get

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Speaker 2: don't want to give that up, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: I totally get it, you know, But for me, knowing myself,

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Speaker 2: how we're set up, the people we have in place,

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Speaker 1: In terms of preparation for a game, game management, player relationships,

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Speaker 1: working with your staff. What do you think you learn

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you just hit it all. Those are

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Speaker 2: the big ones. I would think that I would say this.

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Speaker 2: You have to be intentional, and I am intentional. But

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Speaker 2: you've got to check in with the players every day,

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Speaker 2: all of them. And it's hard to do, you know

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Speaker 2: what I mean, because there's a finite amount of time

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Speaker 2: the practice field, in the meeting room. But I like

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Speaker 2: staying on top of the connection that I have with

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Speaker 1: I'm sure it's even harder when you're dealing with a

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Speaker 1: Kyler loves you like it's very clear he's been very

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Speaker 2: I think kind of just natural, honestly, Dave. I think,

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Speaker 2: you know, and then he was kind of on a

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Speaker 2: So that was a little bit different for me as

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Speaker 2: well navigating that. But I you know, our relationship has

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Speaker 2: I think it's can still grow as any relationship can,

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Speaker 2: We trust each other. He knows I have the best

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Speaker 2: for me too. So it's been really cool. But I

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Speaker 1: I did an NBA playoff game in Oklahoma City last

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Speaker 1: He brought the guys with him, got them tickets. They

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Speaker 1: because again, you've been around a lot of players, a

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Speaker 2: Really far, really far? I think those type of experiences

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Speaker 2: just for him to do that, obviously it shows what

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Speaker 2: person that he is. You know, he likes to connect

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Speaker 2: it's cool for those guys to spend time with each other. Honestly,

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Speaker 2: I'm disappointed. I get the I didn't get the invite

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Speaker 2: that he likes me, we're not on that level yet

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Speaker 2: because I didn't get an invite to either one. What exciting.

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Speaker 2: I hope he hears this because I'm mad.

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Speaker 1: I have no idea if he listens to this or not.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure anybody listens to this kid. Everybody I

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Speaker 1: know Wolf does not know. For effect. Wolf has no

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Speaker 1: idea this podcast even exists. Wolf, I think was playing

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Speaker 1: for the Browns. By the way, when you were growing up,

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Speaker 1: he was Bill Belichick's special team if you remember that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, where you talked about it. He lived pretty close

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Speaker 2: where I grew up. Yeah, it's pretty cool.

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Speaker 1: What excites you the most now that you've seen Kyler

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Speaker 1: going through camp, first off season where he's healthy in

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Speaker 1: your system, What excites you the most?

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Speaker 2: Just time on task, you know, the ability to take

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Speaker 2: understanding make it your own. Withdrew, the process of him

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Speaker 2: going through learning the offense, getting reps now you know

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Speaker 2: that process has been really fun for me, a non

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Speaker 2: forces growth when you when you go have that back

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Speaker 1: Obviously, everybody knows about the running ability and I don't

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Speaker 1: and M. Even his ball placement and accuracy or something,

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Speaker 1: I don't know that people realize how good that is.

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Speaker 1: Obviously that's very important in the NFL. Do you think

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Speaker 1: so much on the legs that scares decordinators maybe more

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Speaker 2: Might real Absolutely, I'll just using my experience going against them.

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Speaker 2: I think everyone sees the plays that he makes with

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Speaker 2: his legs and those are the wow splash plays, right.

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Speaker 2: But to me, when you play out when we're getting

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Speaker 2: that guy doesn't make that play. That scares you, you

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Speaker 2: really miss a lot of throws. And even if we're perfect,

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Speaker 1: I want to ask you about you know several early

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Speaker 1: Am. I run to say that safety is your baby,

432
00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:02,600
Speaker 1: one of your babies, one of my babies.

433
00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:03,680
Speaker 2: That's probably my baby.

434
00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:08,439
Speaker 1: So Jalen Thomas are two good ones. Jay, What what

435
00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:11,080
Speaker 1: stands out to you the most, because sometimes safeties don't

436
00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:12,400
Speaker 1: get talked about unless you.

437
00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:15,880
Speaker 2: See them make a yeah or or a bad play. Yeah, yeah,

438
00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:19,359
Speaker 2: bad play. I always laugh. I say that that I

439
00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:21,720
Speaker 2: always say with the safety position. This is just my opinion.

440
00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:24,880
Speaker 2: The first thing that I use to kind of talk

441
00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:27,280
Speaker 2: about the safety position, the first word I would use

442
00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:30,440
Speaker 2: take the I don't go to physical skill set first,

443
00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:35,280
Speaker 2: I go to the word reliability. And for what we

444
00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:38,920
Speaker 2: ask those guys to do, two very multiple guys and

445
00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:41,480
Speaker 2: add Rabbit and Joey Blunt and Dre into that, you know,

446
00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:45,000
Speaker 2: uh d haul into that right now. What we ask

447
00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:47,640
Speaker 2: those guys to do is play a hybrid position. There

448
00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:49,959
Speaker 2: is no such thing in our defense. And really, in

449
00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:54,000
Speaker 2: my opinion, in football anymore, the box safety or the

450
00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:57,480
Speaker 2: post safety like it's two thousand when you're trying to

451
00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:00,280
Speaker 2: when you're trying to defend offenses and two I and

452
00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:05,920
Speaker 2: twenty four, that's that's no longer in my opinion. People

453
00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:09,080
Speaker 2: I guess try to do it. But whatever, they do

454
00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:10,919
Speaker 2: a lot for us, and they do a lot pre

455
00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:14,639
Speaker 2: snap with communication and calls and checks and you know,

456
00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:17,720
Speaker 2: all those things. So they got to be quick processors.

457
00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:20,200
Speaker 2: They got to be smart. They got to no, no,

458
00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:22,639
Speaker 2: what is going on, not just their position, but the

459
00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:26,000
Speaker 2: other positions as well. They got a process and then

460
00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:27,560
Speaker 2: they got to play, you know, and we put those

461
00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:30,560
Speaker 2: guys in different spots, but I like where that safety

462
00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:31,360
Speaker 2: room is right now.

463
00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:35,040
Speaker 1: You mentioned rabbit Taylor Demerson, Yeah, Dadrien Taylor Demerson for

464
00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:37,800
Speaker 1: people that maybe hear Taylor Demerson and think Taylor's his

465
00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:39,639
Speaker 1: first name, but you know, when we're calling it, sometimes

466
00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:39,919
Speaker 1: you just.

467
00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:41,959
Speaker 2: Called the last name hyphenated.

468
00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:44,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, what stands out to you about him? The speed

469
00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:47,399
Speaker 1: is everybody knows about that. Yeah, and we've seen that

470
00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:48,800
Speaker 1: on display some of the games.

471
00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:51,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would think that. I mean, like you see

472
00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:54,040
Speaker 2: where he has ranged. You see violence when he's a hitter.

473
00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:57,000
Speaker 2: You know, he can make tackles, but he's he's trying

474
00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:00,480
Speaker 2: to hit you, knock you out a little bit. He's

475
00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:03,080
Speaker 2: got good coverage ability, He's got really good range, and

476
00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:05,480
Speaker 2: I think he's really taking a step this last probably

477
00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:08,400
Speaker 2: his last ten days, kind of right before week one

478
00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:11,560
Speaker 2: and then going to Indy of the reliability part, you

479
00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:13,879
Speaker 2: know what I mean. And it's not to say that

480
00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:16,520
Speaker 2: he wasn't reliable. It's just like, do you see how

481
00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:19,760
Speaker 2: those two yards would make a difference where you were aligned?

482
00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:24,040
Speaker 2: You know, And it's like that type of detail that

483
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:27,280
Speaker 2: goes into winning and losing the down for yourself if

484
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:28,719
Speaker 2: the ball comes to and he's done a really good

485
00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:29,199
Speaker 2: job with that.

486
00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:33,439
Speaker 1: I remember going to this was an Alabama practice at

487
00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:37,560
Speaker 1: the Sugar Bowl two years ago and watching Nick Saban

488
00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:42,840
Speaker 1: out there coaching the dbs in practice like he was

489
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:46,080
Speaker 1: a dB coach. Yeah, and you said earlier, there's parts

490
00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:49,960
Speaker 1: of this you miss. How much do you like have

491
00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:51,480
Speaker 1: conversations with a lot?

492
00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:54,000
Speaker 2: Okay? I think the dB coaches get sick of me

493
00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:56,520
Speaker 2: coming in there, coming in their office. You know, why

494
00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:59,200
Speaker 2: don't you go bug you know, the d line coach

495
00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:01,040
Speaker 2: or the tight end which why are you always coming

496
00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:05,000
Speaker 2: in here? You know? Yeah, we got two great dB

497
00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:07,879
Speaker 2: coaches and Ryan Smith and Patrick Tony A reason why

498
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:10,600
Speaker 2: we hired him. I knew I didn't want to micromanage

499
00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:13,520
Speaker 2: that is at practice. Do I you know, do I

500
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:17,159
Speaker 2: add a little input? Yeah? I do, and they value that.

501
00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:20,399
Speaker 2: I think, I don't, you know, go overboard with that.

502
00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:22,960
Speaker 2: But truthfully, Mike Zimmer was a little bit of the

503
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:24,960
Speaker 2: same way. You know, I worked for him for four years.

504
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:27,320
Speaker 2: He's the head coach. He would get he would mix

505
00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:29,520
Speaker 2: it up in those dB drills, and as a coach,

506
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:31,439
Speaker 2: I learned from that, you know what I mean? Like

507
00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:33,159
Speaker 2: JG set up this drill a little bit different here,

508
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:34,560
Speaker 2: let me show you, and he would just jump in

509
00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:36,480
Speaker 2: and it was he didn't tell you he was jumping

510
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:38,520
Speaker 2: and he was just jumping in. And I learned a lot,

511
00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:40,440
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And he's the head coach.

512
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:41,760
Speaker 2: He didn't do whatever he wants, you know, I mean.

513
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:44,320
Speaker 2: So I never took that as a slight or or

514
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:46,879
Speaker 2: or get my feelings hurt because the head coach has

515
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:49,000
Speaker 2: taken over a drill or something like that. The guy

516
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:50,600
Speaker 2: can flat out coach, you know what I mean, So

517
00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:52,280
Speaker 2: coach him up, you know I mean, And I'll learn

518
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:54,479
Speaker 2: from that, and then when you're with the offense, then

519
00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 2: I'll make that drill a little bit better, you know

520
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,760
Speaker 2: what I mean. So it's been cool, But yeah, I

521
00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:01,320
Speaker 2: think the dB coaches get a a little tired of

522
00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:02,680
Speaker 2: me walking in their offices.

523
00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:05,880
Speaker 1: I know, Philly is different. It's it's a unique sports down.

524
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:09,879
Speaker 1: So maybe as a coordinator, you walked around in that

525
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:11,480
Speaker 1: town and went out to dinner and people came up

526
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:14,840
Speaker 1: to you and had suggestions. Have you noticed that here

527
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:16,200
Speaker 1: as the head coach and.

528
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:19,199
Speaker 2: I have, Yeah, it's it's it's a good it's a

529
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,240
Speaker 2: good sports tign. I think that most of the time,

530
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:23,399
Speaker 2: it's hey, you know, sign an aograph, take a picture.

531
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:25,320
Speaker 2: You love what you're doing. It's been it's been an

532
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 2: awesome community for us in that regard, but there are

533
00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:31,720
Speaker 2: certain fans, Hey, you better do this a little better. Yeah,

534
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:34,320
Speaker 2: I got it, you know, so, uh No, it's been

535
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:38,480
Speaker 2: really positive. The fans are awesome. I love the fan base,

536
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:41,679
Speaker 2: even when you're out of town. You know, some of

537
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:43,920
Speaker 2: our players would allude to it. They you know, they're

538
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:45,600
Speaker 2: they're fans, you know. I mean, they want to see

539
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:46,600
Speaker 2: us do well, and that's cool.

540
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:48,480
Speaker 1: Last couple, I'll get you out here. And I appreciate

541
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:51,359
Speaker 1: the time. The age group you're in. It's kind of

542
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:53,359
Speaker 1: like there's a lot of guys now in the league

543
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:55,920
Speaker 1: that are around your age, guys that are in your contemporaries,

544
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 1: you to coach with or against. How much do you

545
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:01,840
Speaker 1: guys communicate and do you notice a difference in terms

546
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 1: of how you approach things that maybe guys that are

547
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:04,720
Speaker 1: fifteen twelve.

548
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:06,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think yeah, because I think, like you know,

549
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 2: as we all grew up under somebody and you have

550
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,240
Speaker 2: all these different experiences and work for different people, and

551
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,159
Speaker 2: then you get with guys that are your age, and

552
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:17,360
Speaker 2: then you separate. You know, Shane's one, Nick Sirianni's one,

553
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:21,280
Speaker 2: you know, a bunch of different guys. But I think

554
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 2: what's cool is is you try to if you're really

555
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 2: about trying to improve and learn, you take all that

556
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:29,960
Speaker 2: and then you kind of put your own spin on

557
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,639
Speaker 2: it and you make it your own. I think the

558
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,240
Speaker 2: game and how everything's set up does look a little

559
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 2: bit different just because of how the game's evolved, you know,

560
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:41,399
Speaker 2: and that starts really with the high school level and

561
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 2: then college, and then that bleeds into the pros. You know,

562
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 2: so the games evolved, Like, you know, a defense that

563
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:51,160
Speaker 2: was awesome in nineteen ninety five, you're not playing those

564
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 2: quarterbacks or those formations or what those teams were doing.

565
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 2: So you're not gonna look like that. Like I used

566
00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:00,719
Speaker 2: to love this one call way back today and I

567
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 2: was like, man, we got to run that, And they're like,

568
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:04,879
Speaker 2: are you out of your mind? This ain't going to work, Like,

569
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 2: look at what it's good. We don't even see iback

570
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 2: pro you know what I mean? Like, I guess you're right,

571
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 2: you know, So I think you just got to you

572
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:16,359
Speaker 2: gotta continually adapt and evolve and learn to stay not

573
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 2: even ahead of the curve, to stay with the curve,

574
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 2: you know. But that's the cool thing about ball.

575
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 1: Was there anything last one, anything, whether it was you

576
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:29,159
Speaker 1: being around Bobby Petrino when you were either as a

577
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 1: player or on a staff as a young guy, different

578
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:35,199
Speaker 1: stops in the NFL, or maybe even as you know,

579
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 1: an area of scout or college scout that you were

580
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:39,680
Speaker 1: anything that, like you were surprised last year like, oh wow,

581
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 1: I remember kind of this and this helped me as

582
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 1: a head coach.

583
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:44,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I'll use Bobby as an example. That

584
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 2: was kind of my first my first introduction when I'm

585
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:50,879
Speaker 2: twenty two to twenty three years old coaching right or

586
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 2: twenty four, As is quality control in Atlanta, Like the

587
00:27:54,160 --> 00:28:00,359
Speaker 2: amount of detail that goes into planning a practice to

588
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 2: maximize every minute was like like awe inspiring to me,

589
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,120
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And it was like, man,

590
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 2: is that what it takes? Like, yeah, that's what it takes,

591
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:15,399
Speaker 2: you know. And I that always stuck with me just

592
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 2: like whatever job, whatever role you have, you better max

593
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:23,679
Speaker 2: out because if you don't, you're gonna get passed, you

594
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 2: know what I mean? And it'll show, you know. And

595
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:28,400
Speaker 2: that was always one thing that I kind of took

596
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 2: away from what is the minute I started? Man, you

597
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 2: got you better be all in and you better be

598
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,359
Speaker 2: thinking about it constantly, you know what I mean. You

599
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 2: better be poking holes, and you better be go over

600
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 2: it once, go over it twice, go over it again.

601
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 2: Probably go over it again, you know what I mean?

602
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 2: Because sure enough there'll be times Oh yeah, I'll just

603
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 2: wing it out there. You're gonna be swimming upstream. So

604
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 2: that was one thing that I thought was always cool

605
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 2: that I learned at a quick age or at a

606
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 2: young age, very quickly. You bet, if you want to

607
00:28:57,600 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 2: do this, you better.

608
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 1: Be detailed out. I can see that with you, Like

609
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 1: I your energy. Do you wake up this way like firef.

610
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 2: I hit the cold tub, I do. After I plunge,

611
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 2: I wake I get it going.

612
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 1: But uh, you do the plunge every day.

613
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 2: By the way, almost every day I get my twelve

614
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 2: minutes a day, twelve minutes a week, so it's different days.

615
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 2: I kind of got different routines in the morning depending

616
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 2: on what the day is. But I honestly, Dave, like

617
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 2: I haven't worked a day in my life, like so

618
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 2: it's like I'm rip roaring, I got to watch. I

619
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 2: don't speed to get to the building because I want

620
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 2: to get in the building, you know what I mean?

621
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 2: And and and I love my time at home. It's

622
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 2: not that it's like I say, like I enjoy being here.

623
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 2: It's not. It's not hard for me to have energy

624
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 2: and enthusiasm about what I'm doing because honestly, it comes

625
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 2: from gratitude, like I'm lucky to be doing what I'm

626
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 2: doing so and I really believe that, and and a

627
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 2: lot of people help me get to where I'm at.

628
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 2: So it'd be like, you know what, if you're not

629
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 2: all in and you don't have that attitude and you

630
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,160
Speaker 2: walk around the building with your head down, like what

631
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 2: are you really doing? You know what I mean? So

632
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 2: I think that's honestly just kind of who I am.

633
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 1: Well, we're glad to have you, man. It's been appreciate.

634
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 1: It's been great, coach. I appreciate the time, and I

635
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 1: can't wait to.

636
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 2: See what the season gets us. All right, thank you.

637
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 1: Tremendous conversation with JG. Just love again his enthusiasm, energy

638
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 1: and passion and he loves ball. He loves every second

639
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 1: of it, and I just appreciate too his gratitude for

640
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 1: the position that he's been given. But it's clear, based

641
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 1: on what we saw last year, he's earned every bit

642
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 1: of it. And really cannot wait to see what the

643
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 1: season holds for JG and the Cardinals. Here in a

644
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 1: couple of weeks when the Cardinals take on Buffalo, good

645
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 1: stuff on some of the position battles there from JG.

646
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 1: I think the thing that stood out the most the

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