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Speaker 2: I need to ask you a question, Joe, because you've

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Speaker 2: And I was wondering when they got Henry Tinnen. When

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that that occurs in many of these cases. Uh,

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Speaker 3: Is chilling to the bone.

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Speaker 2: People oftentimes report hearing multiple shots, and in this case,

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Speaker 2: we heard four to five shots reported and there are

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Speaker 1: If you want to put it in another term. And

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Speaker 1: nothing necessarily grotesque about it. You don't have blood and

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Speaker 1: tissue and all that stuff. What you do have is

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Speaker 1: these little elements that the bullet is leaving behind as

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Speaker 1: it's tracking through this guy's body. And it's very powerful.

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Speaker 1: As matter of fact, more people can appreciate the anatomical

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Speaker 1: orientation with an X ray than they can, Like, if

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Speaker 1: you're looking at a body that's open on the table,

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Speaker 1: you're not used to seeing that. It's shocking to the senses,

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Speaker 1: and they'll, you know, the physicians will point out, well,

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Speaker 1: we've got hemorrhage here and here and here and at all.

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Speaker 1: When you're not used to seeing these things. As a

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Speaker 1: jury member, it all the same, you know. And it

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Speaker 1: took me years working in the more before I was

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Speaker 1: able to disseminate between these two. So if they have

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Speaker 1: these X rays, trust me, that's going to be presented

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Speaker 1: in court. The forensic pathologist is going to address that

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Speaker 1: in court, and they're going to be able to show

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Speaker 1: these these little elements along the way. So they're they're

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Speaker 1: really I think in this case, they're prepped as far

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Speaker 1: as the physical evidence, this connectivity, this big piece that

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Speaker 1: you revealed about the reveal with the tire and how

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Speaker 1: you can track that, and what are the odds that

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Speaker 1: this is gonna you know, I know, And so look,

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Speaker 1: you know, I've always held and I've always said this

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Speaker 1: about about perpetrators, it's merely a Hollywood device when you

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Speaker 1: have some master criminal. Uh. They do exist out there,

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Speaker 1: but they are rare as hens teeth, as they say

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Speaker 1: most and thank goodness that that's the case, because most

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Speaker 1: people do not think these actions through.

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Speaker 2: You mentioned Hollywood.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I did perforated.

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Speaker 2: Bullet going through his skin coming out right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: In Rambo three, yeah, Sylvester Sloan has the gunshot wound

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Speaker 2: and it's he's got to gotta make it stop bleeding, right,

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Speaker 2: and so he takes a little gunpowder and lights it

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Speaker 2: on fire, and you see the fire go right, through

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Speaker 2: from the front to the back, you know, and for

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Speaker 2: screams in pain. But then a minute later he's doing

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Speaker 2: whatever gymnastics or whatever. But that that wouldn't actually serve

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Speaker 2: any real purpose, would it. I mean, would that help.

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Speaker 1: That context what they're trying to do, what they're trying

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Speaker 1: to display his quarterization remember that quarter a wound? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and pouring gun And that's been done in a number

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Speaker 1: of movies years. You know, you're trying to quarterize those

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Speaker 1: in kind of serum so that you, uh, you block

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Speaker 1: off those little broken vessels along the way. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's been done a number of times in the movies

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Speaker 1: and demonstrated. I don't know that it's ever been done

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Speaker 1: in reality, but I can tell you with the injuries

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Speaker 1: that Jared sustained, these were obviously catastrophic. The viscera that

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Speaker 1: this would have passed through and what I mean like

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Speaker 1: the organs and also the adjacent areas. When you begin

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Speaker 1: to think about all the vessels that passed through this area,

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Speaker 1: it's it's so bloody cast catastrophic in this in this

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Speaker 1: context that even if you had a team of surgeons there, Dave,

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Speaker 1: it would be really hard to tie all these off

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Speaker 1: so that he could have survived these injuries. But I

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Speaker 1: do know this, Jared, though he is not with us,

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Speaker 1: will soon have his day in court. I'm Joseph Scott

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Speaker 1: Morgan and this is body bags

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Speaker 2: Mhm