WEBVTT - HBO's The Last of Us Ep. 8 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:02.560 Warning this podcast could take spoilers for the Last of 0:00:02.600 --> 0:00:06.400 Us episode eight, and potentially some minor spoilers from ant 0:00:06.440 --> 0:00:09.039 Man in the Wasp Quantumnia in our nerd Out section, 0:00:09.119 --> 0:00:28.680 so be warned. Hello, my name is Jason Concepcio and 0:00:28.720 --> 0:00:30.920 on Rosey Night, and welcome to x ray Vision, the 0:00:30.920 --> 0:00:34.839 Crooked Media podcast where we dived Dee been to your 0:00:34.840 --> 0:00:37.240 favorite shows, movies, comics, and pop culture. 0:00:37.440 --> 0:00:40.320 In this episode, hope you're hungry because in the. 0:00:40.400 --> 0:00:46.040 Hello Dinners, Dennis some delicious venison in the lock we're 0:00:46.080 --> 0:00:49.080 talking about the Lost of Us episode eight and in 0:00:49.159 --> 0:00:51.159 nerd Out it's a theory on I'm Man in the 0:00:51.200 --> 0:00:52.640 Wasp Quantumnia. 0:00:52.760 --> 0:00:53.559 You might have heard of it. 0:00:53.840 --> 0:00:56.120 If you want to jump around, as always, check the 0:00:56.160 --> 0:00:58.760 show notes for the time stamps. Let's get into it. 0:00:58.800 --> 0:01:10.240 Coming up next to the airlock, we're stepping out of 0:01:10.280 --> 0:01:15.480 the airlock and into the restaurant for the Last of 0:01:15.560 --> 0:01:19.480 Us episode eight, titled When We Are in Need, written 0:01:19.480 --> 0:01:23.960 by Craig Mason and directed by Ali Abassi, and we 0:01:24.040 --> 0:01:30.720 open with scenes of deep winter. We see a not 0:01:30.840 --> 0:01:34.960 quite frozen lake somewhere in Colorado. We see a sign 0:01:35.000 --> 0:01:39.080 for Silver Lake, Colorado, and over these wintry images, we 0:01:39.160 --> 0:01:44.440 hear the voice of a man saying, behold, the Tabernacle 0:01:44.480 --> 0:01:47.840 of God is with men. The preacher's name is David. 0:01:48.240 --> 0:01:54.360 He is the leader of a small Christian fundamentalist group 0:01:54.440 --> 0:01:59.160 whose motto is when we are in need, he shall provide. 0:01:59.480 --> 0:02:04.440 And David is reading these lines with sadness. It seems, 0:02:04.560 --> 0:02:08.960 you know, he's got this. He really projects this kind 0:02:09.000 --> 0:02:12.520 of like humility, but almost like he's trying to project 0:02:12.600 --> 0:02:15.839 this humility. He's so he's been, you know, he's been 0:02:16.400 --> 0:02:20.359 weighted down with this responsibility, and he's all too familiar 0:02:20.360 --> 0:02:25.040 with the sadness that that responsibility brings. There's a young 0:02:25.120 --> 0:02:27.880 girl and a woman we assume to be her mother, 0:02:28.000 --> 0:02:31.720 sitting close to the preacher. They look distraught. He then 0:02:31.800 --> 0:02:34.400 asks the girl if she remembers what comes next. She doesn't, 0:02:34.440 --> 0:02:37.360 so he finishes it for her, He says, and God 0:02:37.440 --> 0:02:39.520 will wipe the tears from their eyes, and there will 0:02:39.560 --> 0:02:43.680 be no more death, neither sorrow nor crying. The former 0:02:43.720 --> 0:02:45.760 things are passed away. Do you know what that means? 0:02:46.520 --> 0:02:48.680 And basically it means Heaven is pretty good now this 0:02:49.800 --> 0:02:54.640 the daughter and the woman are the family of We 0:02:54.680 --> 0:02:57.200 are soon to find out of the course of this episode, 0:02:58.160 --> 0:03:03.519 the man who was killed in the previous episode when 0:03:05.520 --> 0:03:07.720 the group of raiders attacked Joel and Ellie. 0:03:08.240 --> 0:03:12.080 Yeah, it's definitely very interesting. I really like the choice 0:03:12.120 --> 0:03:16.080 here to show us what happened, show that the raiders 0:03:16.080 --> 0:03:18.760 were the aggressors, and then to have this kind of 0:03:18.800 --> 0:03:21.359 opening where they want to flip that on its head. 0:03:21.400 --> 0:03:23.640 But there's always this creepy edge to it, where we 0:03:23.760 --> 0:03:25.799 know what really happened, we know what these people do 0:03:25.960 --> 0:03:28.120 to survive, we know they will go out and kill people. 0:03:28.400 --> 0:03:30.760 But here are the family, here's the fallout, and when 0:03:30.800 --> 0:03:33.000 it's again it's that question of what will we do 0:03:33.160 --> 0:03:35.040 to survive? But here we're not going to get an 0:03:35.080 --> 0:03:38.120 empathetic version of that story. This is something, as you 0:03:38.160 --> 0:03:41.040 will gain from the next line that David says, this 0:03:41.080 --> 0:03:42.200 is something much darker. 0:03:42.520 --> 0:03:47.440 Well, in the most empathetic reading of a situation like this, 0:03:48.160 --> 0:03:50.640 you know, in the in the you do what you 0:03:50.760 --> 0:03:55.000 have to do to survive formulation, right, you get killed 0:03:56.160 --> 0:04:02.920 taking another people's stuff. That will just kick off this 0:04:03.040 --> 0:04:06.600 cycle of retribution, you would imagine, And that's very much 0:04:06.640 --> 0:04:11.360 what this, not just this episode, but this series is about. 0:04:11.400 --> 0:04:14.880 On a certain level, and it really seems to no spoilers, 0:04:14.880 --> 0:04:18.120 but to be pointing ahead towards the themes and content 0:04:18.279 --> 0:04:21.719 of the sequel game too. 0:04:21.839 --> 0:04:25.800 It really does. From Kathleen to here, we're really getting 0:04:25.839 --> 0:04:28.680 a lot of hints towards what happens in the in 0:04:28.720 --> 0:04:29.760 the second part of the game. 0:04:30.880 --> 0:04:32.880 And it also like not to belabor it, but it 0:04:32.960 --> 0:04:36.600 also you know, when when that's your dad, you don't 0:04:36.600 --> 0:04:38.840 want to believe they do bad stuff, right, and he 0:04:39.000 --> 0:04:41.640 died doing something good. They did, They died fighting. 0:04:41.680 --> 0:04:46.160 He was a you know, I think that's really powerful 0:04:46.160 --> 0:04:47.800 and I think that they did a great job with 0:04:47.839 --> 0:04:50.920 this character. Is the young girl being your in character. 0:04:51.040 --> 0:04:53.040 She is ignorant to what is really going on in 0:04:53.040 --> 0:04:56.440 this colony, as we will find out, and also as 0:04:56.480 --> 0:05:00.919 we lay alone. David is a mini pulator. He is 0:05:01.040 --> 0:05:06.440 a groomer. He is he is a violent, horrible man. 0:05:06.680 --> 0:05:09.560 You know, this is this is someone who who is 0:05:09.640 --> 0:05:12.120 manipulating the people who follow him. And I love that 0:05:12.200 --> 0:05:15.239 we do get this one moment of somebody who truly 0:05:15.320 --> 0:05:18.640 believes that they have been wronged and they don't know 0:05:18.680 --> 0:05:21.760 the context, and obviously to her it's just a shocking loss. 0:05:22.000 --> 0:05:24.920 But like you said, I like that. It shows that 0:05:24.960 --> 0:05:27.520 seed of retribution, and we'll see the young girl trying 0:05:27.520 --> 0:05:28.760 to seek that out later. 0:05:28.640 --> 0:05:34.360 To the girl asks if they can bury her dad, 0:05:35.120 --> 0:05:38.280 and a look passes between David and a few picked 0:05:38.880 --> 0:05:42.440 men here in the What we are soon to learn 0:05:42.560 --> 0:05:49.599 is like the the restaurant of this former resort, and 0:05:49.760 --> 0:05:52.560 David is like, nah, you know the ground is, it's frozen. 0:05:52.880 --> 0:05:57.640 It's frozen solid folks until the springtime. Don't worry. Well, well, 0:05:58.360 --> 0:05:59.080 let's put a pin. 0:05:59.000 --> 0:06:01.599 In that, a burying thing. 0:06:01.880 --> 0:06:04.520 Let's say March April. We'll come back to it. 0:06:04.760 --> 0:06:07.919 Yeah, And as you will, if you've read The Road, 0:06:08.040 --> 0:06:11.359 if you've watched The Walking Dead, you probably understand that 0:06:11.440 --> 0:06:14.760 this point what is really going on in Silver Lake 0:06:14.880 --> 0:06:18.240 because when when she asks that and David shoots a 0:06:18.279 --> 0:06:21.440 look to his men, you know, including Troy Baker here 0:06:21.440 --> 0:06:23.320 in a new role who played Joel in the game, 0:06:24.839 --> 0:06:27.400 you know what's going on and it is creepy. 0:06:28.120 --> 0:06:31.039 Yeah, yeah, yeah, you definitely feel it. And if you 0:06:31.120 --> 0:06:34.719 don't know right here, you get you certainly you certainly 0:06:34.839 --> 0:06:42.240 understand that something is a miss. Later on David business congregationbuye. 0:06:42.279 --> 0:06:47.040 They head back to their homes and James, his lieutenant, 0:06:47.480 --> 0:06:51.200 comes up. Uh this is the man that David exchanged 0:06:51.200 --> 0:06:54.839 the glance with. And they start talking about the stores, 0:06:55.400 --> 0:06:58.679 how much meat we've got left, Elk Venison all that stuff, 0:06:59.240 --> 0:07:01.520 and Jay is like, you know, one or two weeks 0:07:01.760 --> 0:07:05.000 some so somewhere thereabouts, uh we And and you learn 0:07:05.040 --> 0:07:09.440 that David has groups scouring the surrounding area for supplies, 0:07:09.440 --> 0:07:11.760 but there's really nothing to be found in in this 0:07:12.080 --> 0:07:15.680 in this region. David then tells James that, you know, 0:07:15.720 --> 0:07:18.320 I'm sensing some doubt here, and James's like, what no. 0:07:18.640 --> 0:07:22.280 The congregation like obviously, like it's tough, people are hungry, 0:07:22.280 --> 0:07:26.440 it's very very cold, but they they their faith remains unshaken. 0:07:26.480 --> 0:07:29.720 And David's like, no, no, no, no, no, I'm talking about you, bro, 0:07:30.440 --> 0:07:33.240 what about you? And James is like, no, I still 0:07:33.240 --> 0:07:36.880 believe the less. And it's always when someone says I 0:07:36.920 --> 0:07:40.080 still believe and then goes on to keep talking, you know, 0:07:40.240 --> 0:07:45.200 like that off the bot right, it's like there's no 0:07:45.320 --> 0:07:48.840 butt here, but it feels James. James says, I still 0:07:48.880 --> 0:07:51.520 believe now, and then you know, the last six months 0:07:51.560 --> 0:07:55.280 have been hard, but he insists that he's with David, 0:07:56.760 --> 0:08:01.240 but again it seems like a pretty weak assurance. Back 0:08:01.320 --> 0:08:05.280 with our friends Ellie and Joel, Ellie is checking on 0:08:05.400 --> 0:08:09.920 Joel's wound. You know, it's certainly not bleeding anymore after 0:08:10.040 --> 0:08:14.600 Ellie's kind of hasty and rough sewing up of the injury, 0:08:14.840 --> 0:08:21.200 but you know, infection and the regular yeah, is certainly 0:08:21.200 --> 0:08:24.000 a concern, and yeah, he and Joel is absolutely out 0:08:24.000 --> 0:08:27.720 of it. There's this wonderful like maternal moment, you know, 0:08:27.760 --> 0:08:31.560 with the rolls suddenly flipped, where Ellie choose some jerky, 0:08:31.800 --> 0:08:34.960 you know, almost desperately, and then leaves it on Joel's 0:08:35.400 --> 0:08:39.000 blanket for him to eat should he rouse himself and 0:08:39.080 --> 0:08:41.000 need to need to eat, and then she slips away 0:08:41.000 --> 0:08:44.120 to go hunt. She tries to tackle a rabbit, that 0:08:44.160 --> 0:08:48.440 doesn't work. She and then soon after that she spots 0:08:48.440 --> 0:08:54.360 a deer, takes aim, shoots it, but the animal it's 0:08:54.400 --> 0:08:56.240 not a kill shot, so the animal kind of runs. 0:08:56.280 --> 0:08:59.040 She has to go find it, and of course it 0:08:59.200 --> 0:09:01.720 drops dead right at the feet of David and James, 0:09:01.720 --> 0:09:06.040 who are in the area looking for forage, looking for supplies. 0:09:07.360 --> 0:09:10.200 Ellie gets the drop on him. She's like, drop your rifles, 0:09:10.240 --> 0:09:15.280 turn around, walk away. David goes right into preacher mode 0:09:15.440 --> 0:09:20.559 and he's ready. He's ready, specifically, as we are going 0:09:20.600 --> 0:09:24.320 to learn over the course of this episode. He sees 0:09:24.360 --> 0:09:28.600 a young girl by herself, and David is like, oh shit, 0:09:28.720 --> 0:09:32.560 here we go. Hey, you have ten seconds. Hey, just 0:09:32.679 --> 0:09:38.000 before you before you shoe us off your dear, you 0:09:38.040 --> 0:09:41.360 have ten seconds to talk about you know where you 0:09:41.400 --> 0:09:42.520 are spiritually. 0:09:42.120 --> 0:09:49.040 And you need to help us. We got all the people, women, children, 0:09:49.280 --> 0:09:53.120 you know, he's got trip and he really wants Sally 0:09:53.240 --> 0:09:53.959 to go back. 0:09:53.800 --> 0:09:57.680 With him now, and and and he and he offers 0:09:57.679 --> 0:09:59.439 a trade. He's like, maybe there's something we can help 0:09:59.480 --> 0:10:02.800 you with. You give us half the deer, and you know, 0:10:02.840 --> 0:10:06.400 we have stuff. And then before he can even like 0:10:07.280 --> 0:10:10.440 list anything, she just puts out, do you have medicine? 0:10:11.400 --> 0:10:14.880 And then David is like, aha, here is a vulnerability. 0:10:14.920 --> 0:10:17.440 Here is the thing that I can I sense I 0:10:17.480 --> 0:10:20.880 have leverage here. Uh. And David's like, oh yeah, we 0:10:20.920 --> 0:10:24.319 got uh, we got lots of medicine. You come back 0:10:24.840 --> 0:10:28.560 with us to where cabin Ellie's wisely, he's like no, no, thank. 0:10:28.360 --> 0:10:31.960 God, I was worried for a moment, you know, like 0:10:32.200 --> 0:10:36.680 she's not the most sensible person but for the first time, 0:10:36.720 --> 0:10:38.680 you know, yeah, but I like that here she she 0:10:38.840 --> 0:10:41.559 trusts that guy. That's that instinct that when you're a kid, 0:10:41.600 --> 0:10:44.920 your parents are like, if you feel that, just follow that, 0:10:45.160 --> 0:10:47.040 Like if somebody gives you a bad vibe, don't go. 0:10:47.320 --> 0:10:49.440 And she does the right thing and she's like, I'm 0:10:49.480 --> 0:10:50.440 not going back with you. 0:10:51.280 --> 0:10:55.240 Then she does the slightly less unwise thing but still 0:10:55.360 --> 0:10:59.680 unwise thing, which is she lets James go back to 0:10:59.720 --> 0:11:02.480 get medicine. He goes. David is like, hey, go get 0:11:02.720 --> 0:11:06.680 two bottles of penicillin from Howard and a syringe. James 0:11:06.800 --> 0:11:08.880 is like he is speak in his eye like is 0:11:08.920 --> 0:11:09.400 this cold? 0:11:11.160 --> 0:11:11.480 Yeah? 0:11:11.800 --> 0:11:16.160 Yeah, And David is like, it's not code, James, just 0:11:16.400 --> 0:11:19.680 do it now. When he says it's not code James, 0:11:19.920 --> 0:11:22.280 that should have been Ellie's first clue that like, oh yeah, 0:11:22.280 --> 0:11:26.000 that's right. Part of a group. I'm sending this guy back. 0:11:26.720 --> 0:11:29.600 He might tell somebody, yeah, I need to be I 0:11:29.640 --> 0:11:30.480 need to be on guard here. 0:11:30.520 --> 0:11:32.920 But it's about Joel's survival. I think Ellie has that 0:11:33.080 --> 0:11:37.120 tunnel vision this episode just about how can she help 0:11:37.920 --> 0:11:40.920 the man that she cas so deeply about come through this? 0:11:41.000 --> 0:11:43.840 How can she avoid being alone? Which you know she 0:11:43.920 --> 0:11:46.760 said to Sam was her greatest fear. 0:11:47.480 --> 0:11:51.880 Yeah. So David and Ellie end up in the ruins 0:11:51.880 --> 0:11:54.680 of this house. They've built a fire and they're sitting 0:11:54.679 --> 0:11:58.280 there with this deer carcass and Ellie's got her gun 0:11:58.320 --> 0:12:01.840 on David the whole time, and David is continuing his pitch. 0:12:01.880 --> 0:12:03.400 He's like, why don't you join us? Why don't you 0:12:03.480 --> 0:12:06.000 join our group? Uh? And Ellie's like, it doesn't sound 0:12:06.040 --> 0:12:11.760 that great, because you yourself said that you're starving. Yeah, yeah, 0:12:11.800 --> 0:12:13.760 it doesn't sound like you're doing great. You're stealing my dear. 0:12:14.679 --> 0:12:16.840 I'm a child and I killed idea and now you 0:12:16.880 --> 0:12:18.959 are stealing it from me. I don't think it sounds 0:12:19.000 --> 0:12:20.800 like a good trade. 0:12:20.920 --> 0:12:23.920 And he's like, yeah, but I'm a decent guy and 0:12:24.040 --> 0:12:27.199 I'm just trying to do uh right by the people 0:12:27.600 --> 0:12:31.040 who rely on me. Uh. And she's like, okay, so 0:12:31.120 --> 0:12:33.199 you're their leader and he's like yeah, but but they 0:12:33.320 --> 0:12:36.160 chose that they wanted that to be the thing, and 0:12:36.280 --> 0:12:40.640 Ellie and this is good, this is actually great. That 0:12:40.760 --> 0:12:43.720 Ellie sniffs this out right away, like this is some 0:12:43.800 --> 0:12:47.880 weird cult thing. Like she's very very much. 0:12:49.280 --> 0:12:52.360 Yes, babe, Like one hundred yes. 0:12:53.600 --> 0:13:00.200 And David does not give the most authoritative and sir. 0:13:00.320 --> 0:13:03.520 When Ellie says, is this some weird cult thing? And 0:13:03.600 --> 0:13:10.600 David's verbatim answer his actual answer is uh. He starts 0:13:10.600 --> 0:13:14.600 with this very long uh, and he goes, ah, I'm 0:13:14.679 --> 0:13:18.160 just your basic Yeah, just your basic preacher, Bible preacher. 0:13:18.280 --> 0:13:20.640 That's it. What was the up, bro? 0:13:22.679 --> 0:13:26.720 Everyone in this colony needs to have better prepared answers. 0:13:26.800 --> 0:13:29.240 You're gonna see this at time and time again. I'm like, bro, 0:13:29.360 --> 0:13:31.360 you could have just said no. If somebody asks you 0:13:31.400 --> 0:13:33.680 if it's a cult, just say no. But then we 0:13:33.720 --> 0:13:37.880 will run that for some reason throughout this episode, probably 0:13:37.920 --> 0:13:41.960 his own delusional mind, but David sees something in Ellie 0:13:41.960 --> 0:13:44.319 that he thinks is a kindred spirit. So I also 0:13:44.400 --> 0:13:46.880 wonder if that's why he doesn't immediately lie to her. 0:13:48.160 --> 0:13:51.240 Maybe maybe she likes you cults. I don't want to 0:13:51.240 --> 0:13:52.880 deny it in case she's into it. 0:13:53.480 --> 0:13:55.319 I wanted to talk about this when we get to that, 0:13:55.720 --> 0:13:59.240 but let's talk about it now. I this is part 0:13:59.280 --> 0:14:04.400 of David's hitch to Ellie. I took that to be 0:14:06.080 --> 0:14:11.200 David's just a flat out is grooming he is, You're 0:14:11.240 --> 0:14:14.560 so special, like you're You're the only one that understands me. 0:14:14.679 --> 0:14:17.040 You know, all these people I'm with they don't get it. 0:14:17.080 --> 0:14:20.760 They don't get it the way you understand. Yeah, Like 0:14:20.920 --> 0:14:24.000 you really understand what's going on here, and I feel 0:14:24.000 --> 0:14:29.360 like you're a kindred spit. Like I took that as Oh, 0:14:29.400 --> 0:14:32.800 David's an even deeper scumbag than than than we could, 0:14:32.880 --> 0:14:35.520 than we are than we know about right now. 0:14:35.560 --> 0:14:37.720 He definitely is, and you see that in the way 0:14:37.720 --> 0:14:40.360 that he approaches Ellie, Like the actor who brings him 0:14:40.400 --> 0:14:41.000 to life is. 0:14:42.320 --> 0:14:45.720 So terribly deeply unsettling role. 0:14:46.040 --> 0:14:49.840 It's so quiet and at no point. What I really 0:14:49.840 --> 0:14:52.520 love about this is they don't try and fake us out. 0:14:52.680 --> 0:14:55.960 They understand that we know the genre enough that they 0:14:55.960 --> 0:14:58.160 don't need to make us think, oh, maybe it is 0:14:58.200 --> 0:15:00.240 a good place, because if you think about it, like 0:15:00.440 --> 0:15:03.680 The Walking Dead, I think a lot about the Sanctuary storyline, 0:15:03.680 --> 0:15:05.640 which was actually one of my favorite storylines, where they 0:15:05.680 --> 0:15:08.520 seek out this place that's allegedly the safe place for survivors. 0:15:08.520 --> 0:15:10.800 They get there, they get fed this delicious meal lo 0:15:10.920 --> 0:15:14.840 and behold, oh, actually you're going to be dinner. Like 0:15:13.240 --> 0:15:17.480 season five Walking Down or whenever that happens. But like, 0:15:17.960 --> 0:15:20.880 I like here that from the outset, you are just 0:15:20.920 --> 0:15:26.280 given clues constantly, atmosphere clues, tone clues, visual clues, vibe 0:15:26.280 --> 0:15:29.360 clues that David is just bad news. And I think 0:15:29.400 --> 0:15:32.480 that's a really good way of building the creepiness and 0:15:32.560 --> 0:15:35.120 tension that kind of leads to this explosion of violence. 0:15:35.120 --> 0:15:35.720 At the end of the. 0:15:35.680 --> 0:15:48.160 Episode, X ray Vision will be back and we're back, 0:15:48.480 --> 0:15:51.600 so we get some of David's backstory. He says that 0:15:52.560 --> 0:15:57.080 he was just a math teacher, which again, bad vibes. 0:15:57.200 --> 0:16:00.960 Here's a good yeah, the bad vibes can continue, like 0:16:01.040 --> 0:16:03.880 this was a person working with young people. We should 0:16:03.920 --> 0:16:07.120 assume and consider what we learn over the course of 0:16:07.160 --> 0:16:10.080 this episode very troubling. And he says, you know, I 0:16:10.160 --> 0:16:13.120 was not even religious until after the end of the world. 0:16:13.360 --> 0:16:15.560 We learned that he was at the Pittsburgh QZ, which 0:16:15.560 --> 0:16:20.640 fell due to ongoing battles between Fedra and the Fireflies, 0:16:20.680 --> 0:16:24.800 and then he and some people started heading west and 0:16:25.440 --> 0:16:28.040 they'd find a camp and that raiders would attack the 0:16:28.080 --> 0:16:30.440 camp and then they'd have to move on and picking 0:16:30.520 --> 0:16:33.200 up people along the way, and that's how they came 0:16:33.280 --> 0:16:37.520 to be here in Colorado and He believes that all 0:16:37.560 --> 0:16:41.080 of that, all of that constant kind of movement to 0:16:41.200 --> 0:16:46.960 the west, attack, a search for peace, the death on 0:16:47.120 --> 0:16:50.960 every side, all of that was as it should be, 0:16:50.960 --> 0:16:53.920 because it's what brought them here. All of this happens 0:16:53.960 --> 0:16:57.520 for a reason. Don't believe it. Check this out. And 0:16:57.560 --> 0:17:02.320 then David tells Ellie recently, I sent out a forging 0:17:02.400 --> 0:17:05.080 party of four and winter. It's been hard. Food's been scares, 0:17:05.119 --> 0:17:08.720 people have been starving. Only three men came back. Now 0:17:08.760 --> 0:17:11.080 the man who died was a father, and he was 0:17:11.160 --> 0:17:13.960 killed by a crazy man traveling with a little girl. 0:17:14.000 --> 0:17:18.480 And now Ellie's like, oh fuck, and she stiffens. But 0:17:18.640 --> 0:17:23.879 before she can even think about pulling the trigger on 0:17:23.920 --> 0:17:29.000 her rifle, David's saying, James, lower, you're going to realize 0:17:29.000 --> 0:17:33.199 that they've already got to drop on her. James, for 0:17:33.280 --> 0:17:37.600 his part, recognizes that Ellie was the girl who was 0:17:38.080 --> 0:17:41.399 with the man who killed their companion and their friend. 0:17:42.760 --> 0:17:45.199 And David is like, yeah, but forget all that. Just 0:17:45.200 --> 0:17:48.240 give her the medicine. James is like what it's like, Yeah, 0:17:48.320 --> 0:17:51.800 just give it to her. And then David again offers 0:17:51.840 --> 0:17:53.640 to take Ellie and he's like, I can protect you 0:17:53.640 --> 0:17:55.639 you know you're out here alone. This is no place. 0:17:55.760 --> 0:18:01.040 You know, this world is not safe, or a young 0:18:01.040 --> 0:18:03.200 girl alone. Ellie takes the medicine and runs off, and 0:18:03.280 --> 0:18:05.399 James is like, I can't believe that you're just gonna 0:18:05.440 --> 0:18:09.040 let her get away. But of course he's not going 0:18:09.119 --> 0:18:09.760 to do that. Yeah. 0:18:09.760 --> 0:18:11.680 I feel like this is a good sign as well 0:18:11.680 --> 0:18:14.520 that David is clearly not like a very trusted leader. 0:18:14.680 --> 0:18:16.720 Even though he has this power, he kind of rules 0:18:16.720 --> 0:18:19.840 through this fear, as we'll find out in a couple 0:18:19.840 --> 0:18:22.680 of scenes. And also I just find it very interesting 0:18:22.720 --> 0:18:26.840 that that's James's first thought. It's not like, oh you oh, 0:18:26.880 --> 0:18:29.240 obviously we're gonna follow her, or what's the plan next 0:18:29.280 --> 0:18:31.840 that he just thinks like, oh, you saw a young 0:18:31.880 --> 0:18:33.840 girl and you gave her what you wanted because you're 0:18:33.840 --> 0:18:36.600 a creep. Like it's really interesting. They show you so 0:18:36.640 --> 0:18:39.080 many dynamics in these small moments. 0:18:40.160 --> 0:18:42.840 I think that that's right, and I think that it's 0:18:42.880 --> 0:18:45.280 even more insidious than that, because it tells you that 0:18:45.480 --> 0:18:51.120 David has, even from his followers, a secret side. Yes, 0:18:51.200 --> 0:18:56.520 because James is like the fact that James doesn't understand 0:18:56.880 --> 0:18:59.119 of course David's not gonna leave it here. This is 0:18:59.160 --> 0:19:01.240 not the end of it. You think he's that was 0:19:01.359 --> 0:19:04.639 just like largees, it was just generosity. Nor the fact 0:19:04.680 --> 0:19:08.560 that James doesn't pick that up lets you know that 0:19:09.280 --> 0:19:13.840 David has a deeper, more secret side from the people 0:19:13.920 --> 0:19:18.040 who you know he's ostensibly in this like intimate leadership rule. 0:19:17.920 --> 0:19:21.080 With I love that actually, because that is a great 0:19:21.160 --> 0:19:25.159 read where it's like David's falsification of who he is 0:19:25.200 --> 0:19:28.680 and this kind of kindness and generosity. He has actually 0:19:28.800 --> 0:19:31.800 sold that to them so well that James could believe 0:19:31.880 --> 0:19:33.560 that he would just give this away because he thinks 0:19:33.600 --> 0:19:35.840 it's the right thing to do. And I love I 0:19:35.880 --> 0:19:38.320 love that pickup that I almost kind of didn't even 0:19:38.400 --> 0:19:41.479 realize when I was watching that he wasn't a preacher before. 0:19:41.960 --> 0:19:43.960 When you read it in the context after a couple 0:19:43.960 --> 0:19:46.600 of rewatches and then talking about it with you, that 0:19:46.800 --> 0:19:48.960 is just so creepy because that is a man who 0:19:49.040 --> 0:19:52.040 picked up the beliefs of others in order to become 0:19:52.080 --> 0:19:55.000 a cult leader to make the most of a post 0:19:55.000 --> 0:19:59.640 apocalyptic situation for himself. That's so horrifying. And I think 0:19:59.720 --> 0:20:04.160 that I wrote about this ign this week about this episode. 0:20:04.280 --> 0:20:07.199 I think that is the notion of why these kind 0:20:07.280 --> 0:20:10.119 of characters are always presented as the scariest thing you 0:20:10.160 --> 0:20:13.440 can come up against inever apocalypse. What if it wasn't 0:20:13.480 --> 0:20:15.399 the best of us who thrived at the end of 0:20:15.440 --> 0:20:18.159 the world, but the worst of us. Yeah, and David 0:20:18.240 --> 0:20:21.240 is absolutely that a man who knew how to manipulate 0:20:21.520 --> 0:20:24.120 the end of the world into a situation that now 0:20:24.480 --> 0:20:27.240 he is incredibly happy with because he's surrounded by women 0:20:27.280 --> 0:20:31.280 and children who he is in control of. Very scary stuff. 0:20:31.960 --> 0:20:34.040 This is a great point now. In that opening scene 0:20:34.040 --> 0:20:37.480 where you see David with his flock in that restaurant, 0:20:37.480 --> 0:20:44.520 the first thing that struck me was one the women 0:20:44.680 --> 0:20:47.520 and the men were separate. You saw a mother with 0:20:48.840 --> 0:20:51.360 a young daughter, You saw another mother with a young 0:20:51.440 --> 0:20:55.719 daughter who we didn't meet them too much. But then 0:20:56.040 --> 0:21:01.080 all the men sit at their own tables and it's 0:21:01.160 --> 0:21:04.159 really only David that addresses the women and. 0:21:04.600 --> 0:21:05.600 Who walks among them. 0:21:05.640 --> 0:21:09.280 I just feel, Yeah, immediately You're like, this is there's 0:21:09.280 --> 0:21:12.800 something not right here. This is not good. Whatever is 0:21:12.840 --> 0:21:16.479 going on here is not right now. It's just not 0:21:16.600 --> 0:21:18.280 It's certainly it's awesome. 0:21:19.040 --> 0:21:25.840 Very soon even more of that really nightmarish dynamic. 0:21:26.560 --> 0:21:29.320 So Ellie returns to Joel. She just kind of guesses, 0:21:29.640 --> 0:21:34.400 like where to inject the antibiotics. She does it right 0:21:34.400 --> 0:21:38.560 into the wound, you know. Pad choice like good choice, Yeah, 0:21:38.600 --> 0:21:41.600 good as good a choice as any. We go back 0:21:41.680 --> 0:21:46.440 to silver Lake and the short dinner is getting cooked up. 0:21:47.160 --> 0:21:49.080 It looks like very very red meat. 0:21:49.280 --> 0:21:51.840 Yeah, it looks very fresh, seeing as well, they just 0:21:51.920 --> 0:21:54.320 very very frunning out of meat that surely you would 0:21:54.320 --> 0:21:55.639 have jerkied, etc. 0:21:56.880 --> 0:22:02.639 We're putting this in tomato sauce that we have because 0:22:03.480 --> 0:22:05.640 because that's what we have, but also like it'll help 0:22:05.720 --> 0:22:08.879 cover up any kind of the redness. 0:22:09.440 --> 0:22:09.680 Yeah. 0:22:09.840 --> 0:22:12.320 Folks are kind of sitting around with their plates of 0:22:12.400 --> 0:22:19.280 this meat and there's a great moment. So the moment 0:22:19.600 --> 0:22:24.479 was being cooked up right where the woman who is 0:22:24.560 --> 0:22:28.200 stirring all, you know, everything into the pot, uh, says 0:22:28.280 --> 0:22:32.200 to the guy who brings this tray of meat, well 0:22:32.240 --> 0:22:36.080 what is it? And he just goes, well, first there's 0:22:36.119 --> 0:22:39.120 a long pause two to three, like a very very. 0:22:39.200 --> 0:22:42.560 Long get a quicker on inside in your head, yeah. 0:22:42.359 --> 0:22:47.639 And then he just goes venison. Its like it's a question. 0:22:47.720 --> 0:22:50.320 Yeah, yeah, it has the little little ven. 0:22:54.040 --> 0:22:57.960 So you know, everybody's h sitting around eating there or 0:22:58.040 --> 0:23:00.600 getting ready to eat their plates of and you could 0:23:00.640 --> 0:23:04.640 see there's a there's a really great, kind of very 0:23:04.720 --> 0:23:07.960 very small moment here where you see various people eating. 0:23:08.280 --> 0:23:11.159 Some of them are tearing into it, Others are like 0:23:12.240 --> 0:23:17.119 just nibbling at it. Others seem wary of it, like 0:23:17.240 --> 0:23:20.399 openly wary. And that is when David and James return 0:23:20.480 --> 0:23:25.040 with this big deer that they took off Ellie and 0:23:25.600 --> 0:23:29.199 David could not be happier to be bringing this meat in. 0:23:29.280 --> 0:23:33.000 But then he sees that, oh, people are like, wait, 0:23:33.040 --> 0:23:33.919 what are we eating? 0:23:34.080 --> 0:23:36.480 Yeah? Everyone else is like you just showed up. 0:23:36.760 --> 0:23:40.240 Yeah, you just showed up with the meat. What am 0:23:40.240 --> 0:23:42.760 I eating right now? And David's like, hey listen, okay, wait, 0:23:42.760 --> 0:23:44.960 wait wait wait. This is one of the great fake 0:23:45.000 --> 0:23:47.680 outs in this episode too, where David and David says, okay, 0:23:47.680 --> 0:23:49.639