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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of the Official Jets podcast, The

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Speaker 1: Draft Podcast, presented by PEPSI. We got a great episode

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Speaker 1: in store. Former GM of the New York Jets, Mike

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Speaker 1: Tannenbaum does work for ESPN. He has his own thing,

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Speaker 1: the thirty third Team. He was great. Yeah, he's fantastic,

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Speaker 1: and he did a very good job as GM in

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Speaker 1: the New York Jets. I think his run here overall,

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Speaker 1: sixteen years with the Jets, seven years as GM. Remember

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Speaker 1: the last time the Jets were in the playoffs two

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Speaker 1: thousand nine, two ten, they came a fraction away from

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Speaker 1: actually going to the Super Bowl in Dallas. Would were

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Speaker 1: not able to complete that comeback against the Pittsburgh Steelers,

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Speaker 1: But that was a hell of a team, that two

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Speaker 1: thousand ten team who took down Peyton Manning in his place,

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Speaker 1: then Tom Brady in his place, and I thought it

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Speaker 1: was gonna be a historical run. Well, I think a

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Speaker 1: lot of Jets fans were hoping that it would be

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Speaker 1: historical when that team was a lot of fun to

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Speaker 1: watch too. Brian Baldinger just put out a breakdown of

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Speaker 1: the OH nine Jets, focusing on the offensive line. Thomas Jones,

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Speaker 1: Seawan Green Leon Washington, who of course is now back

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Speaker 1: in the building as an assistant special teams coach. And

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Speaker 1: you know, it's fascinating to see how good that team was.

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Speaker 1: And I think Mike offered great perspective of bringing in

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Speaker 1: a rookie quarterback, which a lot of people are expecting

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Speaker 1: the Jets to do in just a couple of weeks

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Speaker 1: here in April's draft. Happen and even Joe Douglas alright,

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Speaker 1: it's happening. So anyway, Um, Mike has great inside because

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Speaker 1: he's been in the war room. We've talked about a

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Speaker 1: lot of things, you know, when do you discuss trading

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Speaker 1: up and what types of players do you want to

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Speaker 1: surround your rookie quarterback with? And he was great, really,

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Speaker 1: and you know, I don't want to spoil anything. So

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Speaker 1: with that being said, let's hear from Mike Tannenbaum. I

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Speaker 1: heard you on the radio the other day. You said

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Speaker 1: that Zack Wilson you believe is the right pick for

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Speaker 1: the Jets at two. Can you elaborate on why you

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Speaker 1: believe that and what does Zach Wilson now bring to

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Speaker 1: a rookie I like him a lot. I think he

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Speaker 1: makes a lot of throws that you see traditionally from

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Speaker 1: the pocket. Um, but I think what really separates him

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Speaker 1: I think his accuracy down the field is really something

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Speaker 1: that is unusual. And I think when you look at

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Speaker 1: the characteristics of these top five quarterbacks, what separates him

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Speaker 1: in my mind to clearly make him the second best

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Speaker 1: cut for the Jets right now that he is the

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Speaker 1: guy at number two because this quarterback class appears pretty

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Speaker 1: talented at the top. Yeah, I mean, I surely don't know,

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Speaker 1: but um, it certainly seems that way. And uh for

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Speaker 1: me again, I think it's trivial on straw lines. Zach

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Speaker 1: Wilson draw line, and that I think is really interesting

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Speaker 1: conversation amongst the next three. And then after that, I

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Speaker 1: think there's a big line to see who the sixth

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Speaker 1: a lot of people anticipate Joe Douglass to add either

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Speaker 1: playmakers or protection for Zach Wilson, assuming he's the number

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Speaker 1: two overall pick in your opinion, Mike, what is the

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Speaker 1: more important play there if the Jets were to add

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Speaker 1: you know, if they had a choice of a playmaker

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Speaker 1: or a protector at twenty three and thirty four and

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Speaker 1: so on. Yeah, I think it's offensive line, offensive line

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Speaker 1: and offensive line after that, because if you can't protect him,

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Speaker 1: nothing else matters. And when I had the privilege of

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Speaker 1: of great teams that we had, and a lot of

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Speaker 1: that was in the formulive years of my career. I

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Speaker 1: just saw in two thousand and five we had lost

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Speaker 1: And when I was promoted to GM, I just we

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Speaker 1: there were some other really good players that draft running

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Speaker 1: You can't went on the road, you can't handle crowd noise,

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Speaker 1: else really doesn't matter. You could run four to four

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Speaker 1: it's really really hard to win consistently in our league.

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Speaker 1: You moved up a couple of times in two thousand nine,

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Speaker 1: of course, to draft Mark Sanchez. What changes for the

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Speaker 1: you know, and we'll see obviously presumptively it will be

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Speaker 1: so it was Rex Ryan Mark Sanchez, and you know,

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Speaker 1: And you know, I think from a front office ownership

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Speaker 1: and again, assuming it's gonna be Zach Wilson, you know

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Speaker 1: you want them to grow together, and that's gonna be

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Speaker 1: I think that's great because they're gonna grow together, they're

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Speaker 1: and ultimately that just brings them closer together. Um, and

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Speaker 1: that's really what you want. Um. There's a lot of

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be really good. You know, when you lose

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Speaker 1: may be, it's gonna be really bad. And those scars

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Speaker 1: and life experiences, unless you actually live it, it's really

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Speaker 1: hard to explain. But to be able to have a

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Speaker 1: in my opinion, ultimately productive. How unique is this place

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Speaker 1: New York, in this organization because when you took Sanchez,

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Speaker 1: of course he was coming out of USC and you're

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Speaker 1: New York. If the Jets do indeed take Wilson, here's

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Speaker 1: a kid who grew up in Utah and he's coming

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Speaker 1: to the bright lights of the big city. Yeah, New

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Speaker 1: it's a really good point. You just don't know how

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Speaker 1: that's gonna go. And you know where the facility is

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Speaker 1: and being in that part of the country in Mars County, like,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot more options that people perceive it to be. UM,

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Speaker 1: but there's no doubt, like Zach Wilson, coming from Provo,

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Speaker 1: big difference. What kind of challenges do you think that

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Speaker 1: this draft process, where it's mostly through zoom or solely

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Speaker 1: certain pro days. Yeah, everyone's deal with that. We speak

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Speaker 1: And you know, you hear some people talk about, you know,

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Speaker 1: you know, for being part of the that that's part

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Speaker 1: you're certainly getting some of that through the zooms. But

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Speaker 1: it's just not the same. You just do the best

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Speaker 1: you Ken. I want to ask you about the trade route.

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Speaker 1: In seven seasons the GM of the Jets, you made

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Speaker 1: eighteen trades that dealt away twenty eight draft choices and

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Speaker 1: eight players on the other side of the coin, you

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Speaker 1: acquired fourteen draft choices and five players. What did you

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Speaker 1: enjoy most about that um direction in order that you

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Speaker 1: used to help your team? Geez, I can't believe you

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Speaker 1: made some intern do all that research or I don't

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Speaker 1: know how those trades worked out, you know, Yeah, a

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Speaker 1: lot of those trades did work out. Yeah, some of

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Speaker 1: know for me, like, look, I was raising this business

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Speaker 1: it was it was a mindset which was scour just

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Speaker 1: So it was really just more of a mindset, Hey

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Speaker 1: it's like we signed a guy one time, Austin Howard,

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Speaker 1: It just it's a mindset of just always trying to

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Speaker 1: relates to draft day trades, you just you never know, um,

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Speaker 1: what's gonna happen. Look at Miami, you know we're sitting there.

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Speaker 1: The number one player on our board in Steen was

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Speaker 1: Laramie Tunsel. We had a very good left tackle in

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Speaker 1: You know, Lara Vi Tulsa was a good person. There

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Speaker 1: it's fun, it's exciting, it's nerve wracking, and you sit

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Speaker 1: you have to make decisions really really fast. What about

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Speaker 1: the decision looking back on it, because I know a

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Speaker 1: lot of people are hoping that Carl Lawson provides that

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Speaker 1: kind of speed and explosiveness off the edge that John

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Speaker 1: Abraham did. What went into the thinking there of you

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Speaker 1: getting rid of an edge rusher, But on the turn

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Speaker 1: you mentioned that, Eric, because one of the things that's

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Speaker 1: back from Provo to go work with John Beck, and

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Speaker 1: I mean there's so much out there about him. It's

428
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Speaker 1: really a great story in all seriousness. And he worked

429
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Speaker 1: as a door daft driver and Mother's Day because he

430
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Speaker 1: could get more tips because of the traffic there was

431
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Speaker 1: on that. I mean, he it's a great story. But

432
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Speaker 1: the point is like at some point, like, Okay, we

433
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Speaker 1: got Exac Wilson is a great kid, you know his history.

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Speaker 1: Let's spend more time on the lower round picks to

435
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Speaker 1: make sure that you know we're as thorough um in

436
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Speaker 1: that part of the draft, because oftentimes, like that's could

437
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Speaker 1: be the difference between having great depth or not. Are

438
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Speaker 1: there any players in this draft that you just like,

439
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Speaker 1: like they're they're just your guys, whether that's potential first

440
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Speaker 1: round talent or fifth round talent, just a couple of

441
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Speaker 1: guys that you really like for any particular reason. Yeah,

442
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Speaker 1: I mean I think sometimes we overcomplicate things. So you know,

443
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Speaker 1: tell you guys like Patrick's or Tan, like, in my opinion,

444
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Speaker 1: if we weren't talking about quarterbacks every ten seconds, it

445
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Speaker 1: seems like he's a great player. Like I don't see

446
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Speaker 1: a hole in his game. I think he's a plug

447
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Speaker 1: and play player and you need a starting corner. You're

448
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Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys, like, go put him in and in

449
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Speaker 1: ten years you'll be happy. Um. And I think sometimes

450
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Speaker 1: like we over complicate things. He's a great player, he's

451
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Speaker 1: a good person, he has great ball skill, he's a

452
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Speaker 1: great time to athlete. He's been coached by Nick Saban

453
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Speaker 1: like that those are like to me, like, I don't

454
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Speaker 1: think we've talked about those sort of like situations enough

455
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Speaker 1: where like those are the players to me that those

456
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Speaker 1: are foundational bed rock players at a premium position. Quickly,

457
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Speaker 1: what's the ceiling for Kyle Pitts out of Florida. A

458
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Speaker 1: lot of people are talking about him attering this draft,

459
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Speaker 1: how unique a prospect and playmaker he is. So I'm

460
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Speaker 1: really fortunate. Um. You know, we started an organization called

461
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Speaker 1: the thirty third Team, which is a lot of head

462
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Speaker 1: coaches and gms, and we spend a lot a lot

463
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Speaker 1: of time looking at guys like Kyle Pitts, and it's

464
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Speaker 1: actually also a great way for us to help others

465
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Speaker 1: get started. We have really really smart grad students and

466
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Speaker 1: we put together stuff every week. And you know, so

467
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Speaker 1: we asked that question to candidly. It was we have

468
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Speaker 1: great defensive coaches, so John Fox, Wade Phillips, Eric Mingini,

469
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Speaker 1: guys that are really experienced in defending proof fences. And

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Speaker 1: you know that they said, Hey, you know, Kyle Pitts,

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Speaker 1: like to a man, was, we're gonna count him as

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Speaker 1: a receiver, Like he's gonna have to prove that he

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Speaker 1: could block. And what I mean by that is, even

474
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Speaker 1: if he's in line with his hand down at three

475
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Speaker 1: point stance, he's gonna be covered by a corner or safety.

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Speaker 1: No one's gonna put a linebacker on Kyle Pitts. And

477
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Speaker 1: at some point Kyle Pitts is gonna have to move

478
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Speaker 1: somebody off the ball or cut somebody off on the backside,

479
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Speaker 1: uh in a meaningful way. Like one of the many

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Speaker 1: reasons Rob Gronkowski is a great player or Hall of

481
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Speaker 1: Famer was he was a good blocker, and therefore you

482
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Speaker 1: couldn't cover him with a linebacker, and he was gonna

483
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Speaker 1: overwhelm you, you know, in terms of capturing the edge.

484
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Speaker 1: And I think Pitts is a dynamic player. I like

485
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Speaker 1: him a lot, but I don't think he's this mismatch

486
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Speaker 1: that people think he is. From a standpoint of people

487
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Speaker 1: are going to cover him and defend him like a receiver.

488
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Speaker 1: And again, like to hear it through the lens of

489
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Speaker 1: guys like John Fox and coach Vannginie and Wade Phillips like,

490
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Speaker 1: don't get me wrong, I think he's a great player,

491
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Speaker 1: but I think there's gonna be answers for him at

492
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Speaker 1: our level. Now if you sit there and cover two

493
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Speaker 1: and let him run right down the middle, Yeah, he's

494
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Speaker 1: gonna put up some real tremendous highlight plays. But for

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Speaker 1: him to be a great pro, at some point he's

496
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Speaker 1: gonna have to make a block as a tight end.

497
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Speaker 1: They're jumping back and forth here, and you've been really

498
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Speaker 1: gracious with your time. We appreciate you. Mike, your favorite

499
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Speaker 1: story as far as you moving up to get to

500
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Speaker 1: role Reavis, when did you know that, Hey, this guy

501
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Speaker 1: was not just good, he's ridiculously special and um, can

502
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Speaker 1: you just talk about the process of the trade itself. Yeah, so, um,

503
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Speaker 1: you're a guy that had the pro to working with

504
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Speaker 1: for a long time. Terry Bradway, Terry was actually at

505
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Speaker 1: Durrell's pro day, and going back in the number of

506
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Speaker 1: years Durrell played at pitt it was the old Big

507
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Speaker 1: East and that year there just weren't very good receivers

508
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Speaker 1: in the Big East. So the roll was a late

509
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Speaker 1: declaring jr. So there's just wasn't a lot of information

510
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Speaker 1: on the period and then when you watch the tape,

511
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:10,359
Speaker 1: you just couldn't see him playing against great competition. And

512
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Speaker 1: Terry called me from the airport in Pittsburgh after Durrell's workout.

513
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Speaker 1: He's like, Mike, I'm just telling you, and we needed

514
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Speaker 1: a corner desperately and Aaron Ross from Texas Leon Hall

515
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Speaker 1: were the other two corners. We had a first round

516
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Speaker 1: pick and we felt like we had to come out

517
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Speaker 1: of this with one of those three players. And he's like,

518
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Speaker 1: I'm just telling you. This workout was phenomenal. We watched

519
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Speaker 1: the tape of it and Durrell was the thing that

520
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Speaker 1: may Durrell really special, guys, was people don't realize how

521
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Speaker 1: strong he was. But in addition he had his unbelievable workout.

522
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Speaker 1: His change of direction was crazy. So now you marry

523
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Speaker 1: strength and quickness, and now you have a Hall of

524
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Speaker 1: Famer obviously, and we made what I was able to

525
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Speaker 1: do on that trade was the night before UM, good

526
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Speaker 1: friend of mine GM of the then Panthers, Marty Herny,

527
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Speaker 1: who's out with Washington, I reached an agreement principle with

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Speaker 1: him for us to move up. Um. It was for

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Speaker 1: a second, I think like a fourth round pick, and

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Speaker 1: I think it was elemon spots And basically I'm like, Marty,

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Speaker 1: we're coming up for one player. And I'm just telling you,

532
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Speaker 1: like right now, like if we're coming up, here's exactly

533
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Speaker 1: what I can do. Do not ask me for more

534
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Speaker 1: on the clock. This is it. He's like, we'll make

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Speaker 1: a deal, but on the clock, don't expect to do

536
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Speaker 1: it for a lesson that. I'm like, no, we've done

537
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Speaker 1: a hundred deals. We have a deal. It's one player.

538
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Speaker 1: If it's done, if he's there, they wanted to move back,

539
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Speaker 1: we want to move up. So as soon as the

540
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Speaker 1: third te pick was turned in, I knew Rivas was

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Speaker 1: a jet because I could trust Marty. The compensation was

542
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Speaker 1: locked in, and it was like, you know, it was

543
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:46,359
Speaker 1: much harder to train for Sanchez than it was for

544
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Speaker 1: Rivas for for reasons that has to do with lead

545
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Speaker 1: rules that we could talk about, but the Rivas thing

546
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Speaker 1: was really locked in the night before. Alright, Mike, as

547
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Speaker 1: he said, you've been so gracious with your time, I

548
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Speaker 1: have one five question for you, going back to your

549
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Speaker 1: mock draft. You have Zach Wilson that too. We've talked

550
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Speaker 1: about the importance of offensive line, you have the Jets

551
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Speaker 1: taking Xavin Collins at twenty three, Why is he the

552
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Speaker 1: right pick for the Jets at twenty three? And could

553
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Speaker 1: you give us a name potentially that you like for

554
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Speaker 1: the Jets at thirty four? Yeah, So, look, mccollins. I

555
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:23,639
Speaker 1: love his length, I love his versatility. Um, he's a

556
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Speaker 1: good athlete. He's a little bit longer. You know, there's

557
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Speaker 1: a couple of other edge rushers. I like ziz Asulari

558
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Speaker 1: from Georgia. I kind of like those athletic types. I

559
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 1: think Quitty Pay from Michigan is a great up the

560
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Speaker 1: field pass rusher. I just think Collins and o Lowry

561
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 1: are those three. Those two guys to me have much

562
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Speaker 1: better movement space. I think I'm really interested to see

563
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Speaker 1: how coach Sala evolves this defense. I think Collins is

564
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 1: a good fit. And again I liked a little bit

565
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Speaker 1: of a longer guy there, you know, three y four. Look,

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Speaker 1: I think at some point the Jets can use it

567
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Speaker 1: back and you know, those guys are kind of clumped

568
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Speaker 1: up there, like Naji Harris. I don't know if like

569
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Speaker 1: at the end makes it there, but like Travis at

570
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Speaker 1: the End from Clemson. What I love about his game,

571
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Speaker 1: guys is he's a great not good. He's a great

572
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Speaker 1: pass receiver. So what I like about that is, like,

573
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Speaker 1: we gotta get Zach Wilson off to a good start.

574
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Speaker 1: If I'm the Jets, just get him the long handoffs,

575
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 1: like just check the ball down. Let at the end

576
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Speaker 1: make plays in space. And I think if they could

577
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Speaker 1: come out with either like Javonte Williams and North Carolina,

578
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Speaker 1: Naji Harris from Alabama or at the end from Clemson,

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Speaker 1: you know, and they're one of those players are there

580
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Speaker 1: at the top of the second, I think that would

581
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Speaker 1: be again through the lens of putting this quarterback in

582
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Speaker 1: the best position possible to be successful, would be something

583
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Speaker 1: to consider. You lad this franchise to a SC championship

584
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Speaker 1: game appearances after the two thousand nine and two thousand

585
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Speaker 1: and ten seasons. We talked a little bit about your

586
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Speaker 1: history today as far as putting a team together just

587
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Speaker 1: from your view watching it from afar, because you're very

588
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 1: much involved football with ESPN and the thirty third team. Uh,

589
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 1: do you like the way Joe has gone about trying

590
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Speaker 1: to construct this thing? Yeah? Absolutely, I don't you know,

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Speaker 1: I don't think you'd really quible a bunch of what

592
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Speaker 1: he's done. You know, you certainly can have the discussion of, hey,

593
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Speaker 1: should we hold on to Sam Donald and pair him

594
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Speaker 1: with Zach Wilson. You you can certainly say, hey, we're

595
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Speaker 1: not gonna play Zack Wilson and you're one much of

596
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Speaker 1: the way Mahomes didn't, or going back a wild Chad

597
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 1: Pennington sat for two years behind viding Testimy and not

598
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 1: really worked out well. It just seems like in this

599
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 1: day and age, rookie quarterbacks are just being put on

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Speaker 1: the field. You know, we saw that with Joe Burrow

601
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 1: obviously with two uh Justin Herbert played early last year.

602
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 1: Um so, but beyond that, I would just you know,

603
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 1: I know Joe's background Baltimore, how much he puts value

604
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Speaker 1: on the lines. I know he's trying to address that

605
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Speaker 1: to a certain extent with George Fan and some of

606
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Speaker 1: the other moves last year. But having all those picks

607
00:30:57,480 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 1: is obviously a great place to be. And now it's

608
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Speaker 1: you know about execution and knowing Joe, I'm sure they

609
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 1: would be very well prepared. What I said, fascinating interview,

610
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Speaker 1: great insight. Was there anything that stood out to you

611
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 1: in particular? Build it up front, and that's something that

612
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 1: we're talking about throughout this draft process is how do

613
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Speaker 1: you handle using the tent picks? Um what areas do

614
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 1: you have to target? Where are your needs? If you're

615
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 1: bringing a young quarterback, which the Jets are doing, you

616
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 1: got to build it up front. And that's something that

617
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 1: Joe Douglas has continued to stress since day one of

618
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Speaker 1: him getting here. His first pick was McKay Beckton, of course,

619
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Speaker 1: and then I think back to two thousand nine, Mike

620
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 1: moved up a couple of times in order to get

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Speaker 1: Mark Sanchez. Mark Sanchez walked into a historically good situation

622
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Speaker 1: because of what Tannon Bomb had done building that roster

623
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Speaker 1: to get to that point. That oh six draft Greens, Brickshaw,

624
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Speaker 1: Furgus and the glasses are coming on round one, number

625
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Speaker 1: four overall overall, excuse me, might just discuss the trade,

626
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Speaker 1: the Man Gold Abraham trade. He gets back in the

627
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Speaker 1: first round, number twenty nine overall. He got Eric Smith

628
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Speaker 1: in the third round, Brad Smith in the fourth round,

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Speaker 1: Leon and Washington in the fourth round, Drew Coleman in

630
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Speaker 1: the sixth round, who was a very good reserved in

631
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Speaker 1: the defensive backfield. But what he did with that young quarterback.

632
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Speaker 1: I can't point to a rookie quarterback whoever walked into

633
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Speaker 1: a better situation. Well, so I think that it's a

634
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 1: great point. And from hearing Mike talked about the O

635
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 1: eight team, it seemed like a lot of pieces were

636
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:48,239
Speaker 1: in place. This is a different situation where Joe and

637
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 1: coach Sala are building this up. But we know that

638
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 1: Joe's emphasis has always been on the offensive line. And

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Speaker 1: maybe this is wrong of me to think, but it

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Speaker 1: just feels like there's an offensive lineman or to who

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Speaker 1: will be a New York Jet at the end of

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Speaker 1: the April twenty nine to make first draft, because when

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Speaker 1: you look at what the Jets did in free agency,

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Speaker 1: they signed Dan Feeney, but Joe Douglas consistently talks about

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Speaker 1: the his will to add through the draft, and it

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Speaker 1: just feels like when you marry that up with what

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Speaker 1: we know about his vision of the offensive line, it

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Speaker 1: feels like there's a move to be made there. I

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Speaker 1: agree with that. I think to probably in a low

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Speaker 1: one as far as offensive alignment here out of these

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Speaker 1: time pics, and then you're gonna look at your undrafted

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Speaker 1: free agents, are gonna get on the phones and try

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Speaker 1: to sign up some guys and create more competition and

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Speaker 1: depth along the line. But yeah, I would agree with that.

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Speaker 1: I think right now you have your foundational piece and

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Speaker 1: McKay beck. Then what a draft pick that wash Connor

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Speaker 1: McGovern ret returns in the middle. He has played guard

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Speaker 1: before if you ever went in the center direction. I'm

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Speaker 1: just saying, as far as the draft is concerned, George Fan,

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Speaker 1: I think is gonna be a good system fit just

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Speaker 1: because they're gonna ask these guys to get out and

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Speaker 1: move and take angles, and I think that works to

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Speaker 1: fans advantage. But yeah, Joe Douglas is certainly not done

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Speaker 1: adding to that line, and we saw him really fortify

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Speaker 1: I thought the wide receiver position. That doesn't mean they're

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Speaker 1: not gonna get another receiver here in the draft, but

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Speaker 1: bringing a Corey Davis and Keelan Cole uh put you

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Speaker 1: in a better spot how you into the draft. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it'll be interesting to see how it all breaks down

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Speaker 1: in a couple of weeks. By the time this posted,

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Speaker 1: like you said, it might be one week before the

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Speaker 1: NFL Draft right around the corner. That's all we have

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Speaker 1: on this episode of the Official Jets Podcast, The Draft Podcast,

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