WEBVTT - Midterms Ain’t Midterming! | MiniPod 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:03.200 Native lamb Pod is the production of iHeartRadio in partnership 0:00:03.240 --> 0:00:05.000 with Reason Choice Media. 0:00:05.120 --> 0:00:08.360 Well come, well come, well come, well come, well come, welcome. 0:00:09.720 --> 0:00:11.240 Okay, welcome home everybody. 0:00:11.280 --> 0:00:15.080 This is a Native Lamppod Mini pod and Today. Because 0:00:15.120 --> 0:00:17.239 sometimes we tend to be in gloom and doom, We're 0:00:17.280 --> 0:00:20.200 just gonna stay in the doom, So we at the 0:00:20.360 --> 0:00:23.600 end of most shows tell you how many days are 0:00:23.680 --> 0:00:26.200 left to the midterms. Now, Andrew might be feeling like, 0:00:26.280 --> 0:00:30.880 woo hoo midterms. I think me and Tiff really might 0:00:30.920 --> 0:00:33.440 feel a way about telling y'all how many days are 0:00:33.520 --> 0:00:35.840 left to the midterms, because I don't really know these 0:00:35.880 --> 0:00:39.040 things gonna damn happen, So tif, I think that might be. 0:00:39.440 --> 0:00:40.400 Where you're resting. 0:00:41.440 --> 0:00:44.040 Even if they are gonna happen, are they gonna cheat 0:00:44.080 --> 0:00:46.320 like they did? I still feel like they did in 0:00:46.479 --> 0:00:49.239 the twenty twenty four election. I don't have dad. I 0:00:49.280 --> 0:00:51.440 got a gut feeling. I'm telling about the black women 0:00:51.479 --> 0:00:54.480 in the Holy Goes We'll be spot on. So I'm 0:00:54.520 --> 0:00:58.040 curious to know if you guys think we should still 0:00:58.040 --> 0:00:59.680 be telling people how many days are left. 0:01:02.280 --> 0:01:05.080 I say that I think it's pointless. I get so 0:01:05.240 --> 0:01:08.039 frustrated when people say, Andrew already disagree with me. But 0:01:08.400 --> 0:01:10.440 I'm just gonna tell you, Andrew, I think it is 0:01:10.600 --> 0:01:14.520 pointless when people start talking to me like we just 0:01:14.520 --> 0:01:16.760 gotta hold on for one more year then the midterms. 0:01:16.800 --> 0:01:19.160 I'm hold on to what? What do we think the 0:01:19.200 --> 0:01:22.600 midterms are going to change? And after going out and 0:01:22.600 --> 0:01:25.080 telling everybody gotta vote, gotta votetta vote, gotta vote, and 0:01:25.240 --> 0:01:28.200 the country I know Angela believes the election is stolen. 0:01:28.280 --> 0:01:32.160 I can only go on what is before us, and 0:01:32.280 --> 0:01:34.640 that is that millions of people cast ballots for this. 0:01:34.880 --> 0:01:38.680 But I will say, Angela, the Latasha has been the 0:01:38.720 --> 0:01:42.880 most compelling to me in giving me actual facts that 0:01:43.000 --> 0:01:45.920 suggest the election is stolen. And I've really I'm hesitant 0:01:45.959 --> 0:01:47.880 to share what she said. So y'all give me a 0:01:47.880 --> 0:01:49.560 little bit of grace because I could be saying it 0:01:49.880 --> 0:01:53.280 incorrectly because I don't know the exact jurisdictions. But she 0:01:53.480 --> 0:01:57.080 was saying there were places where people would vote down 0:01:57.200 --> 0:02:02.800 ballot completely Democrat and not the top Republican and it 0:02:02.920 --> 0:02:06.480 happened overwhelmingly, and we should have her come on so 0:02:06.480 --> 0:02:09.280 she can say it directly. But when she said that, 0:02:09.320 --> 0:02:11.760 I'm like now, that is information to me, that is 0:02:11.880 --> 0:02:15.960 that's factual, it's logical, and it gives you a head 0:02:15.960 --> 0:02:19.960 scratch where yes, that does require, you know, some investigation. 0:02:20.280 --> 0:02:22.840 But even if they did, okay, it is here now, 0:02:22.960 --> 0:02:25.040 like what they're not gonna say, okay, takes these back seats. 0:02:25.080 --> 0:02:29.040 We stole it, like they have already instituted this authoritarian regime. 0:02:29.280 --> 0:02:32.400 And I don't know any post industrialized country that has 0:02:32.400 --> 0:02:36.839 come this far into authoritarianism and turned around. So why 0:02:36.919 --> 0:02:39.000 we think all of a sudden we're gonna have free 0:02:39.000 --> 0:02:41.280 and fair elections in this country for midterms, which we've 0:02:41.280 --> 0:02:43.679 never really had, as black folks know all too well, 0:02:43.720 --> 0:02:45.600 and as women know all too well, we've never really 0:02:45.639 --> 0:02:48.680 had that. But we think somehow in four hundred and 0:02:48.919 --> 0:02:53.360 eighty days that we're going to have a better chance 0:02:53.400 --> 0:02:55.600 at democracy. I just don't think so. But find Andrew, 0:02:55.600 --> 0:02:58.320 you've been shaking your head, So go ahead and tell 0:02:58.360 --> 0:02:59.160 me how I'm wrong. 0:02:59.320 --> 0:03:02.240 I think, so long as elections are still determining who 0:03:02.280 --> 0:03:05.119 is going to be running the country, serving as your mayor, 0:03:05.120 --> 0:03:07.680 on your school board, and your members of Congress, you 0:03:07.680 --> 0:03:10.280 need to participate. We need to show up, and we 0:03:10.320 --> 0:03:13.799 have to participate in the process that exists that allows 0:03:13.840 --> 0:03:16.760 for people to do exactly what they're doing right now 0:03:17.000 --> 0:03:21.760 to us, against us, and some would even say against 0:03:21.760 --> 0:03:24.400 our will. It certainly was against mine. My will when 0:03:24.440 --> 0:03:26.760 I voted, was for a different outcome, and it was 0:03:26.800 --> 0:03:29.959 to preserve democracy. But the other choice was also pretty 0:03:29.960 --> 0:03:35.920 clear to me, which was the opposite of holding democracy, 0:03:35.720 --> 0:03:41.680 but quite frankly flipping closer to autocracy. I do think that. 0:03:41.960 --> 0:03:45.520 So one thing on the evidence around the down ballot 0:03:45.600 --> 0:03:48.480 versus up ballot. That's a trend that's happened in Florida 0:03:48.600 --> 0:03:54.440 for decades. It's only recently shifted where people elected local 0:03:54.720 --> 0:03:58.320 Democrats to school board, their mayors, their council in the 0:03:58.360 --> 0:04:03.520 western part of Lord of the panhandular region. But Democratic 0:04:03.560 --> 0:04:09.000 registration was really the majority registration across the Panhandle for 0:04:09.680 --> 0:04:14.600 frankly all of our existence up to Governor Jeb Bush 0:04:14.680 --> 0:04:20.520 being elected. But their national voting habits were always more conservative, 0:04:20.839 --> 0:04:24.240 so they would vote for Republican presidents, Republican US senators, 0:04:24.480 --> 0:04:26.559 and Democrats all the way down. The rest of the battle. 0:04:26.600 --> 0:04:30.039 We described those folks as Dixiecrats, and Dixiecrats don't just 0:04:30.120 --> 0:04:33.480 live in the panhandular region of Florida. Every part of 0:04:33.520 --> 0:04:36.080 the country has those folks who registered Democrats. They are 0:04:36.120 --> 0:04:40.240 not leaving their party registration, but their voting habits have shifted. 0:04:40.600 --> 0:04:43.560 And then Donald Trump came along and created a permission 0:04:43.600 --> 0:04:46.560 structure for those individuals to go from being registered ds 0:04:46.680 --> 0:04:50.760 to now fully flown, grown, registered Ours, and then their 0:04:50.839 --> 0:04:54.839 voting has now become consistent. They vote are at the 0:04:54.880 --> 0:04:57.200 lower end and they vote are at the top end. 0:04:57.480 --> 0:04:59.599 And I would imagine that that's a trend that exists 0:04:59.680 --> 0:05:04.560 all over the country. But Latasha's point, if we're going 0:05:04.640 --> 0:05:08.080 to find irregularities in the election system, it is going 0:05:08.120 --> 0:05:12.320 to happen at a precinct by precinct level in each 0:05:12.400 --> 0:05:15.560 county and every you know, and all over the country, 0:05:15.560 --> 0:05:20.360 but both very specifically in states that are considered basically 0:05:20.400 --> 0:05:24.520 beil weather states or states that could flip either Republican 0:05:24.600 --> 0:05:28.160 or Democrat from cycle to cycle. But the ability for 0:05:28.200 --> 0:05:32.520 someone to hold sales steal an election by flipping a switch, 0:05:34.000 --> 0:05:37.559 and if impacted the entire country, it is less likely 0:05:37.600 --> 0:05:40.680 given the decentralized nature of our election system, which is 0:05:40.760 --> 0:05:44.479 run county to county to county, and I mean not 0:05:44.640 --> 0:05:48.159 in but just make this final point, which is simply say, 0:05:48.279 --> 0:05:50.760 I think we have to be really careful and responsible 0:05:50.800 --> 0:05:55.360 with how we talk about our elections systems, because it's 0:05:55.360 --> 0:05:59.479 the only thing that people can have faith in if 0:05:59.480 --> 0:06:03.239 they're exercizing the process of going out of their house 0:06:03.560 --> 0:06:05.799 down to a precinct or in their house in filling 0:06:05.880 --> 0:06:09.560 out an absentee ballot and letting their voices be heard. 0:06:09.560 --> 0:06:13.360 Because I don't know too many people who willingly participate 0:06:13.440 --> 0:06:18.040 in what they find to be a futile experience. Most people, 0:06:18.120 --> 0:06:21.120 if I'm going to take my time, energy effort, in 0:06:21.120 --> 0:06:24.039 some cases money to fuel a gas tank or otherwise, 0:06:25.920 --> 0:06:29.600 it better have an outcome on the other end of it, 0:06:30.040 --> 0:06:33.400 hopefully in the direction that I would like it to go, 0:06:34.040 --> 0:06:37.240 but an outcome nonetheless that can be trusted. And if 0:06:37.279 --> 0:06:40.680 we erode that process, we think we have problems now 0:06:40.720 --> 0:06:44.000 with the couch winning quote unquote, we're really going to 0:06:44.040 --> 0:06:47.720 exacerbate a problem of people deciding to just check completely 0:06:47.760 --> 0:06:50.560 a wholesale out of elections because they don't believe that 0:06:50.600 --> 0:06:53.040 they're legal, that they're fair, or that it will count. 0:06:53.279 --> 0:06:56.680 Let alone the debate around whether it matters because of 0:06:57.080 --> 0:06:59.960 what happens once people get elected, but whether it will count. 0:07:00.440 --> 0:07:03.360 And I think that create that that crisis of confidence 0:07:03.400 --> 0:07:07.239 and a system opens up a whole new barrel for 0:07:07.440 --> 0:07:08.200 us to have to fight. 0:07:08.960 --> 0:07:12.160 I think that's all completely fair. I just want to 0:07:12.160 --> 0:07:15.320 punctuate the point that you made around being careful how 0:07:15.360 --> 0:07:17.760 we talk about it. Something that you said that is 0:07:18.640 --> 0:07:21.600 in real time made me reconsider about midterms is when 0:07:21.600 --> 0:07:24.560 we talk about those down ballot races, when in your 0:07:24.600 --> 0:07:29.480 explanation of Dixiecrats, yes, those down ballot races may not 0:07:29.640 --> 0:07:33.280 be impacted by impropriety. You know, this is like school 0:07:33.280 --> 0:07:35.960 board elections, city council members. So at no point am 0:07:36.000 --> 0:07:39.240 I ever discouraging people from participating in the process. I'm 0:07:39.280 --> 0:07:42.400 really speaking more from a federal perspective. I don't know 0:07:42.440 --> 0:07:48.000 what midterm elections might change. Even should Democrats take seize 0:07:48.040 --> 0:07:51.240 power of the House and or the Senate. I'd be 0:07:51.280 --> 0:07:54.400 curious about what things that have happened that that could 0:07:54.440 --> 0:07:57.480 actually stop. I think there's a big tent in the party. 0:07:57.520 --> 0:08:00.440 There are conservative Democrats. So that's really my perspect in 0:08:00.520 --> 0:08:05.520 terms of your explanation on malfeasance in the past election, 0:08:06.000 --> 0:08:07.960 I just want to be clear there too, I am 0:08:08.000 --> 0:08:11.280 not saying the election was stolen. I'm not saying it wasn't. 0:08:11.280 --> 0:08:15.120 My only thing is before the responsibility for me personally, 0:08:15.160 --> 0:08:18.440 the responsibility I have before an audience. I would not 0:08:18.640 --> 0:08:21.800 say the election is stolen if I have not well 0:08:21.920 --> 0:08:25.200 researched it and said, here is the data chain that 0:08:25.320 --> 0:08:28.200 leads me to that. So I'm simply sharing what Latasha 0:08:28.360 --> 0:08:31.080 said to me, which is why, Yeah, I know, I 0:08:31.120 --> 0:08:32.679 just want to be clear for the audience, because I 0:08:32.880 --> 0:08:35.080 you know, I want them to understand this is what 0:08:35.200 --> 0:08:39.199 I'm told. I have not personally gone down that rabbit 0:08:39.240 --> 0:08:41.600 hole to say, oh, yeah, I see how this can happen. 0:08:41.880 --> 0:08:44.360 I'm curious when you say stuff like county by county, 0:08:44.400 --> 0:08:46.080 because you're not the only person to say that. I 0:08:46.080 --> 0:08:47.840 think Roland Martin did a segment on his shows that 0:08:47.880 --> 0:08:51.160 I haven't watched that I should, and Roland Martin is 0:08:51.200 --> 0:08:53.520 in a stude journalist, so I don't know what he did. 0:08:53.600 --> 0:08:55.720 But a lot of people were saying, oh, Roland Martin 0:08:55.720 --> 0:08:58.160 explored a report by somebody that gave them pause on 0:08:58.200 --> 0:09:01.040 the election. Those are the things that will entice me 0:09:01.120 --> 0:09:03.239 to say, okay, well, let me look at the information. 0:09:03.960 --> 0:09:07.040 I don't know if the election was stolen. I just 0:09:07.080 --> 0:09:09.959 think that some of us, maybe not you, Angela, but 0:09:10.000 --> 0:09:12.560 there are some people out there who are so traumatized 0:09:13.000 --> 0:09:17.120 at the pronouncement of white supremacy in this country that 0:09:17.200 --> 0:09:19.440 we can't even fathom it. That were like, there is 0:09:19.520 --> 0:09:22.320 no way y'all went out and put this half witted 0:09:22.440 --> 0:09:26.680 political idiot back in office after he said every racist, 0:09:26.800 --> 0:09:29.680 awful thing. There is no chance that you all could 0:09:29.679 --> 0:09:31.760 have done that, And that is where I'm torn. I'd 0:09:31.800 --> 0:09:34.760 rather the election be stolen than to know that the 0:09:34.800 --> 0:09:37.840 majority of people in this country right felt this way. 0:09:38.000 --> 0:09:40.480 So I don't know, And I want. 0:09:40.320 --> 0:09:42.640 To back into this a little bit because I had 0:09:42.679 --> 0:09:45.200 to think about, like I know that I did some 0:09:45.280 --> 0:09:48.360 research on the other side of the election, and there 0:09:48.360 --> 0:09:51.200 were definitely reports that were coming out from election experts 0:09:51.280 --> 0:09:54.559 on why this is a very likely phenomenon. So I 0:09:54.640 --> 0:09:57.600 went back and looked. There was a lot of discussion 0:09:57.640 --> 0:10:01.600 around county level manipulations. When we talk about mid term elections, 0:10:01.800 --> 0:10:06.000 we're talking about local state elections, and then of course 0:10:06.040 --> 0:10:08.440 our members of Congress that are elected in those off 0:10:08.520 --> 0:10:12.280 year elections, as well as House of Representatives and senators 0:10:12.280 --> 0:10:14.800 in some instances, I think it's a third normally that 0:10:14.880 --> 0:10:19.120 are up for election. There were five states that one 0:10:19.320 --> 0:10:22.599 entity said needed investigation into whether or not there was 0:10:22.600 --> 0:10:25.960 any count county level manipulation. Please look these up so 0:10:25.960 --> 0:10:29.360 that you're not just going off my smart elections one 0:10:29.840 --> 0:10:32.400 I'm about to I'm about to smart elections is one. 0:10:33.400 --> 0:10:38.960 Election Truth Alliance looked at Clark County, Nevada. The drawing 0:10:39.120 --> 0:10:43.160 off rate in Clark County, Nevada was astonishing to them. 0:10:43.400 --> 0:10:45.640 The way that they would have they flipped from the 0:10:45.720 --> 0:10:51.080 presidential nominee, the two presidential candidates to who they voted 0:10:51.080 --> 0:10:55.119 for in the Senate was astonishing to Election Truth Alliance. 0:10:55.559 --> 0:10:58.880 Additionally, for this as a quock question, when you say 0:10:58.920 --> 0:11:02.200 the drop off, you're saying that people are voting basically 0:11:02.240 --> 0:11:04.360 what Latasha was saying, that at the top they're voting 0:11:04.559 --> 0:11:06.280 Republican and down ballot. 0:11:06.640 --> 0:11:13.479 Ballant as Democrats. Yes, no, yes, even between the fads 0:11:13.480 --> 0:11:17.480 even yes, yes, exactly. And then the other thing is, 0:11:17.559 --> 0:11:21.320 and I forgot about this comment, but Donald Trump said 0:11:21.480 --> 0:11:26.520 right after inauguration that Elon Musk understood the Pennsylvania voting 0:11:26.559 --> 0:11:29.719 machines on a local level better than anyone and they 0:11:29.840 --> 0:11:32.760 ended up winning by a landslide, which caused a lot 0:11:32.760 --> 0:11:36.200 of alarm as well. So if you have someone saying 0:11:36.240 --> 0:11:38.959 that there are five states or an entity that studies 0:11:38.960 --> 0:11:42.040 this five states from an election integrity standpoint that need 0:11:42.080 --> 0:11:44.560 to be looked into because it looks like there could 0:11:44.640 --> 0:11:47.959 be some county by county manipulation. You have the President 0:11:48.040 --> 0:11:51.840 making this pronouncement about Pennsylvania voting machines and Elon Musk, 0:11:51.880 --> 0:11:56.880 and you have this Clark County analysis. And I remember 0:11:56.920 --> 0:11:59.080 going back and looking at what the Attorney General put 0:11:59.080 --> 0:12:01.680 out as well, Stephen horse Ford, to be fair, because 0:12:01.679 --> 0:12:04.360 when I raised was Stephen Horsford, he was like, well. 0:12:04.320 --> 0:12:07.959 The representative of Clark County, uh huh, Las Vegas. 0:12:08.240 --> 0:12:11.280 And he said, well, they've been looking into this for 0:12:11.320 --> 0:12:13.880 some time. It wasn't about this election, but it was 0:12:14.040 --> 0:12:14.880 about this election. 0:12:15.280 --> 0:12:15.920 So I'm not. 0:12:15.840 --> 0:12:18.520 Sure what the dis like, what the issue was, And 0:12:18.559 --> 0:12:21.520 I can't remember when how he responded to my response. Know, 0:12:21.559 --> 0:12:24.080 they are talking about the twenty four election, not twenty two, 0:12:24.120 --> 0:12:27.800 not twenty It was this year. But they did make 0:12:27.840 --> 0:12:30.840 an analysis and have data from the year prior or, 0:12:30.880 --> 0:12:34.360 the presidential prior and the one before that. And they 0:12:34.440 --> 0:12:37.600 show how there was a more significant drop off like 0:12:37.640 --> 0:12:40.800 ten percent from Harris to Jackie Rosen. 0:12:41.120 --> 0:12:41.680 Two women. 0:12:41.840 --> 0:12:43.720 So you also can't say, well, it was a woman thing. 0:12:44.000 --> 0:12:45.280 Two women on the. 0:12:45.280 --> 0:12:49.080 Versus YEP, versus what it was in twenty twenty versus 0:12:49.120 --> 0:12:49.920 twenty sixteen. 0:12:51.840 --> 0:12:52.640 Pennsylvania. 0:12:53.360 --> 0:12:56.400 Yeah, I need to go back, and Nevada was one. 0:12:57.080 --> 0:12:58.240 Pennsylvania was one. 0:12:59.200 --> 0:13:01.520 The interesting thing about those there are two swing states. 0:13:02.920 --> 0:13:05.560 They were a Democrat, I would imagine then Michigan. 0:13:07.400 --> 0:13:09.120 I don't want to even imagine you go back and 0:13:09.160 --> 0:13:09.400 pull on. 0:13:11.640 --> 0:13:13.600 But while you're looking that up, Ange, I'll just say 0:13:13.760 --> 0:13:15.800 in Florida and my race for governor, we had the 0:13:15.880 --> 0:13:18.400 US Senate race at the same time, which of course 0:13:18.440 --> 0:13:23.200 had a white male nominee Democrat on my side, and 0:13:23.200 --> 0:13:27.360 then my race obviously black male Democrat, and there was 0:13:27.400 --> 0:13:30.360 about a point difference. And when I say a point, 0:13:30.400 --> 0:13:33.800 I'm talking about like seventy thousand votes. Who were people 0:13:33.840 --> 0:13:36.360 who were comfortable voting for a Democrat for the US Senate, 0:13:36.400 --> 0:13:39.560 a white male Democrat for the US Senate, and who 0:13:39.640 --> 0:13:42.880 then and the race for governor appeared to have switched 0:13:43.160 --> 0:13:49.400 from their Democratic ballot to choose the Republican nominee. What 0:13:49.960 --> 0:13:53.439 makes it alarming for outside groups who are looking at 0:13:53.440 --> 0:13:57.120 these elections is if you see, usually these habits of 0:13:57.160 --> 0:13:59.760 flipping or going back and forth between D and R 0:14:00.280 --> 0:14:03.440 are sort of well laced. There's a history of it. 0:14:03.480 --> 0:14:05.080 There's a way in which you can go back and 0:14:05.160 --> 0:14:09.240 explain this to be a voting pattern of a particular area, 0:14:09.880 --> 0:14:11.880 be it a whole state or congressional districts, so on 0:14:11.920 --> 0:14:15.480 and so forth. What is anomalous is if there is 0:14:15.520 --> 0:14:20.520 no history, yet you find a significant difference, especially at 0:14:20.560 --> 0:14:24.040 same levels. Right, so you're talking about a statewide race. 0:14:24.520 --> 0:14:26.600 A Senate is a statewide race. A governor is a 0:14:26.640 --> 0:14:30.040 state wide race. So you're looking at two comparable races. 0:14:30.520 --> 0:14:33.360 But then there is a difference between whether folks so 0:14:33.640 --> 0:14:35.920 for a Democrat or a Republican in those seats and 0:14:36.080 --> 0:14:40.640 most states, you can vote an entire Democratic line or 0:14:40.680 --> 0:14:43.040 you can vote an entire Republican line, which means anyone 0:14:43.080 --> 0:14:46.239 who is running for partisan office and they are a Republican, 0:14:46.360 --> 0:14:50.360 your ballot will choose them, and the same for Democrat exactly. 0:14:51.120 --> 0:14:53.080 And then there is there are the people who go 0:14:53.200 --> 0:14:55.920 back and forth. Even when you have to make individual 0:14:56.040 --> 0:15:01.960 selections back and forth. Overwhelmingly, people vote party line ballots. 0:15:02.320 --> 0:15:05.320 That's where anomalies come from when folks don't do that. 0:15:05.360 --> 0:15:09.160 And you see a difference between a statewide race where democrats, 0:15:09.520 --> 0:15:11.880 the Democrat got four million votes and the Republican got 0:15:11.920 --> 0:15:15.240 four point one million votes. But it then switches to 0:15:15.280 --> 0:15:18.600 a governor's race and the Democrat gets three point nine 0:15:18.640 --> 0:15:22.360 million and the Republican got four point two million. That 0:15:22.520 --> 0:15:25.880 is a pretty significant difference without a trait. We have 0:15:25.920 --> 0:15:29.120 to identify what the trait was that made the difference possible. 0:15:29.320 --> 0:15:33.120 In twenty sixteen, this confounded a lot of us because 0:15:33.160 --> 0:15:35.440 we had not seen the kind of drop off that 0:15:35.480 --> 0:15:40.120 we'd seen before between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump and 0:15:40.240 --> 0:15:43.040 the races that came below them, with folks choosing between 0:15:43.080 --> 0:15:46.920 Democrat Republican. And what we found in later research is 0:15:46.960 --> 0:15:51.760 that Trump was able to hyper activate the white vote turnout, 0:15:51.800 --> 0:15:53.480 and he did the same in this last election. 0:15:53.560 --> 0:15:56.600 In this last election, that is the thing. 0:15:56.560 --> 0:16:02.960 Turnout of white voters about turn out totally skewed. It 0:16:02.560 --> 0:16:05.600 threw all the polling off, of course, but it also 0:16:05.720 --> 0:16:08.760 throws out a lot of these what do you call 0:16:08.800 --> 0:16:10.960 those closing numbers at the end of the day they 0:16:10.960 --> 0:16:12.960 say exit poled numbers and that kind of thing, which 0:16:12.960 --> 0:16:15.360 because these people a lot of practice around exit polling, 0:16:15.640 --> 0:16:17.880 and if they were, they're still not giving an honest answer, 0:16:18.280 --> 0:16:20.680 and so it confounded a lot of us. 0:16:29.200 --> 0:16:30.960 Okay, so just really quick. 0:16:31.000 --> 0:16:34.400 So now I went to the Smart Elections thing and 0:16:34.440 --> 0:16:36.360 they have a chart. I'm just going to send you 0:16:36.360 --> 0:16:40.960 all the link. And they examined seventeen states, and the 0:16:41.000 --> 0:16:44.520 swing states had the most significant drop off versus the 0:16:44.600 --> 0:16:45.920 non swing states for reasons. 0:16:46.000 --> 0:16:47.920 We understand there are swing states for a reason. 0:16:48.200 --> 0:16:54.680 But the swing states were Arizona, Michigan, Nevada, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, 0:16:54.760 --> 0:16:57.760 and Wisconsin. And then there are non swing states where 0:16:57.800 --> 0:17:00.240 there was also drop off, but it was no where 0:17:00.280 --> 0:17:03.200 near I mean it is. It is astonishing. So I'm 0:17:03.200 --> 0:17:04.720 gonna send you guys to craft. 0:17:05.080 --> 0:17:07.800 Send it to me. I remained unconvinced to be honest. 0:17:07.840 --> 0:17:11.520 I mean, I and my challenge is when I'm citing 0:17:11.560 --> 0:17:14.480 someone else's research, I want to know, like, how you 0:17:14.520 --> 0:17:16.280 got this research. And then I got to talk to 0:17:16.359 --> 0:17:18.399 five other people explain to me because this is what 0:17:18.400 --> 0:17:20.160 they said they got how they got the research. Andrew, 0:17:20.200 --> 0:17:22.000 you'd be one of those people like I don't read 0:17:22.000 --> 0:17:24.160 cross tabs and feel all that stuff, Like I don't 0:17:24.200 --> 0:17:25.600 know what I can look at the numbers, and I 0:17:25.600 --> 0:17:28.359 remember I was at Michael Harriet's house when the new 0:17:28.000 --> 0:17:31.439 Pew data drops and I was asking him to explain 0:17:31.480 --> 0:17:33.480 it to me, and we talked about it in our chat. 0:17:33.520 --> 0:17:35.560 Because even the idea, I know we disagree here, Angela, 0:17:35.640 --> 0:17:37.560 but even the idea that the couch won, I don't 0:17:37.600 --> 0:17:39.760 know that that's true, Like the data just does not 0:17:39.960 --> 0:17:42.920 support it, but it's always my So then the couch 0:17:42.960 --> 0:17:45.920 wins every year like that. When you said that that's 0:17:45.960 --> 0:17:50.280 not that craasy number, that's the part that I actually, 0:17:50.359 --> 0:17:52.280 I think it would be nice for us as a 0:17:52.320 --> 0:17:55.840 country to get to a place where democracy was winning 0:17:56.040 --> 0:18:01.160 enough that one candidate at least superseded that ninety million number. Yeah, 0:18:01.200 --> 0:18:04.240 to me, that's that's I think, And specifically about this 0:18:04.359 --> 0:18:07.320 idea that in this election it was so crazy because 0:18:07.400 --> 0:18:09.679 ninety million people stayed home, and when you look at 0:18:09.760 --> 0:18:12.600 over all the cycles, that is pretty consistent with how 0:18:12.600 --> 0:18:15.000 many people stayed home. And then when you dig deeper 0:18:15.040 --> 0:18:18.119 and you disaggregate this data, you go down each rabbit 0:18:18.160 --> 0:18:21.359 hole individually, and that requires a collection of research, and 0:18:21.600 --> 0:18:23.919 it's boring, right, It's like boring to sit there and 0:18:23.920 --> 0:18:25.919 it takes hours and days to get to ask people. 0:18:26.160 --> 0:18:28.040 But when you go across that and look at all 0:18:28.080 --> 0:18:31.320 of it, and it'saggregated by race, this dude, the same 0:18:31.320 --> 0:18:34.840 way that Obama brought out the highest number of black 0:18:34.920 --> 0:18:38.359 voters and the lowest number of white voters, Donald Trump 0:18:38.680 --> 0:18:43.920 ignited a movement among white people. And that is my challenge. Yes, 0:18:44.400 --> 0:18:47.080 that is my challenge here because if that's what it 0:18:47.119 --> 0:18:50.520 took for you all to participate in this here democracy, 0:18:50.920 --> 0:18:54.280 and you were motivated. They were united in our destruction, 0:18:54.640 --> 0:18:59.520 they are united in our failures in this country. They're 0:18:59.600 --> 0:19:01.800 united and making sure that we never even get what 0:19:01.840 --> 0:19:04.280 they have or come close. And they are so motivated 0:19:04.320 --> 0:19:06.360 by that that they put this man back in office. 0:19:06.480 --> 0:19:09.159 That is the part I have challenged, and I understand 0:19:09.200 --> 0:19:10.960 why people are like, no, this can't be right, Like 0:19:11.000 --> 0:19:13.800 this can't be true. I just have not seen all 0:19:13.840 --> 0:19:17.240 the depth the New York Times analysis, Pew, all the 0:19:17.359 --> 0:19:20.080 data I've looked at, nothing has supported a that the 0:19:20.119 --> 0:19:23.359 couch has won, b that the election was stolen, even 0:19:23.359 --> 0:19:27.119 in these swing states, that you're talking about. I remain open. 0:19:27.600 --> 0:19:30.080 You know, I'm not saying this with certainty, but I 0:19:30.320 --> 0:19:35.439 just feel some level of disgust that these people have 0:19:36.600 --> 0:19:40.399 that they were motivated by him to come out. I 0:19:40.440 --> 0:19:42.440 would love to hear that the election is stolen, because 0:19:42.480 --> 0:19:44.679 I'm like, oh, these people, we have to cohabitate with 0:19:44.720 --> 0:19:46.920 our fellow countrymen. They're actually not pieces of shit, and 0:19:46.920 --> 0:19:49.680 they're actually not so bad. There's only a small number. 0:19:49.920 --> 0:19:50.000 No. 0:19:50.240 --> 0:19:53.280 What this election showed me is, yeah, ancient chains, they 0:19:53.280 --> 0:19:56.760 are still awful people who voted for this man because 0:19:56.760 --> 0:19:58.760 they don't like you and they don't like brown people. 0:19:59.240 --> 0:20:00.920 That's I'm experiencing it. 0:20:01.800 --> 0:20:05.359 I think we can if we talked about narcissism, it 0:20:05.359 --> 0:20:08.320 would be a narcissist thing to say if we believe 0:20:08.359 --> 0:20:13.680 that folks were motivated exclusively by why, Because I think 0:20:13.760 --> 0:20:19.080 it's probably more complicated than simple. I think it can 0:20:19.160 --> 0:20:21.560 be racist. Oh no, no, I'm not giving racist. I 0:20:21.600 --> 0:20:24.920 think you can be racist, have racist belief in tendencies 0:20:25.000 --> 0:20:26.840 ninety nine percent of your day in time or one 0:20:26.880 --> 0:20:28.879 hundred percent of your day in time, and still have 0:20:28.920 --> 0:20:32.719 other motivations for doing a thing beyond just being racist. 0:20:32.840 --> 0:20:35.320 Is what I'm saying it doesn't make them better people. 0:20:35.840 --> 0:20:40.000 It just means that they had motivations forgetting out and voting. 0:20:40.040 --> 0:20:42.760 And by the way, a motivation had to be first 0:20:42.760 --> 0:20:47.040 of all, when Barack Obama ran, these same white folks 0:20:47.040 --> 0:20:51.200 could have been motivated equally like that Ma's Gillham that 0:20:51.200 --> 0:20:53.439 that movie where at the end in California, like the 0:20:53.440 --> 0:20:56.280 polls will be closing and whatever you know, Chris Rock 0:20:56.320 --> 0:20:58.840 I think is the main character of that movie, and 0:20:59.080 --> 0:21:01.560 they everybody's pulled out their driveway and rush into the 0:21:01.560 --> 0:21:03.680 polls to go and vote to make sure the black 0:21:03.680 --> 0:21:06.080 man didn't win. But just as they were motivated to 0:21:06.119 --> 0:21:08.880 see Donald Trump, when they could have equally been motivated 0:21:08.880 --> 0:21:11.520 to prevent a black man from winning the presidency. I mean, 0:21:12.520 --> 0:21:15.160 in real time, they could have showed up in unprecedented 0:21:15.240 --> 0:21:18.479 numbers to stop that from happening, and couldn't do it 0:21:18.520 --> 0:21:21.760 every time, quite frankly up to now and probably beyond 0:21:21.800 --> 0:21:24.960 for several election cycles, because that's just where the numbers 0:21:25.000 --> 0:21:28.800 are when it comes to electoral performance. That if white 0:21:28.880 --> 0:21:31.960 folks wanted to vote and vote the way they vote 0:21:32.040 --> 0:21:35.000 right now, which is white men overwhelmingly Republican and white 0:21:35.040 --> 0:21:39.640 women consistently over a majority Republican So if they could 0:21:39.680 --> 0:21:42.159