WEBVTT - Criminalization By Any Means

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<v Speaker 1>What's up. Family, it's your girl to make a d

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<v Speaker 1>Mallory and it's your boy, my son general And we're

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<v Speaker 1>your hosts of street politicians the place with the streets

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<v Speaker 1>and politics. So there's a lot to cover today in

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit of time. And I'll tell you over

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<v Speaker 1>the last few weeks, so much is happening that our

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<v Speaker 1>shows have just been changing on the fly. But you were,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you was handling the camera to UM tape

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<v Speaker 1>a press conference for Stanley Davis the Third who's thirteen

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<v Speaker 1>years old, young boy. Uh, much more focus has to

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<v Speaker 1>be on this situation too. He's in Boyton Beach, Florida. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>he was riding a dirt bike and went to the

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<v Speaker 1>gas station to fill up. UM and an officer in

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<v Speaker 1>the community mark soon that many people know for twenty years,

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<v Speaker 1>this man has been terrorizing this particular community, including Stanley

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<v Speaker 1>Davis Jr. Which is Stanley Davis the third father. Twenty years.

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<v Speaker 1>The community knows him. And Stanley Davis told us that

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<v Speaker 1>he actually UM informed his son about this officer, so

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<v Speaker 1>everyone knows. Now. You see Stanley Davis in the gas station,

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<v Speaker 1>it's all on video, and you see, uh, the officer

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<v Speaker 1>sort of pull up behind him. It looks like Stanley

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<v Speaker 1>Davis doesn't even pump his gas, he just runs because

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<v Speaker 1>he knows this guy. He knows this officer, and he

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<v Speaker 1>leaves the gas station and Mark Song follows him, driving

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<v Speaker 1>in a high speed chase, and at some point, little

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<v Speaker 1>Stanley loses control of his dirt bike and he dies. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>some would say, because you know, there is the critics

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<v Speaker 1>that say, oh, well, you know, why did he run him?

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<v Speaker 1>What was he doing in you know, and all of that. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>here's the deal. Jaden Reardon's family, which is a six

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<v Speaker 1>year old young boy, was also at the press conference.

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<v Speaker 1>Why because of the same behavior by the same officer

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<v Speaker 1>that killed their son. He was in a high speed

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<v Speaker 1>chase and as a result of that chase, UM, this

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<v Speaker 1>six year old Jaden Reardon was killed. And then there's

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<v Speaker 1>little Cyrus, another child who was killed by in a

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<v Speaker 1>high speed chase situation with UM officer Mark Son. So

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<v Speaker 1>this officer and and by the way, as you know

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<v Speaker 1>my son, because we learned this is just one three

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<v Speaker 1>things that he's done. Three children that have died because

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<v Speaker 1>of him and his negligence, but his racism towards black

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<v Speaker 1>folks on the police force as a police officer is clear.

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<v Speaker 1>It's well documented. There's twenty years of stuff in his

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<v Speaker 1>record that he has a little rap sheet people suing him. Uh, folks,

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<v Speaker 1>He's been reprimanded several times, He's had supervisors speak about

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<v Speaker 1>his issues, and and and and they actually in his report.

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<v Speaker 1>They are supervisors that have written things to say that

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<v Speaker 1>he's dangerous, that he doesn't do his job properly, that

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<v Speaker 1>he has he's biased. And still twenty years later, the

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<v Speaker 1>man is working on the police force and a child,

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<v Speaker 1>a thirteen year old child, was killed. It doesn't make

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<v Speaker 1>a bitter sense to me. It doesn't make sense period. Man.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I said at the press conference, this is a

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<v Speaker 1>serial killer. You know, this is you know, and and

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<v Speaker 1>what happens for me is like I said, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>really have an issue with a racist and someone who

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<v Speaker 1>is the killer, because that's who he is. Right. But

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<v Speaker 1>we have a justice system that is supposed to protect

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<v Speaker 1>those that is opposed to, you know, protect the the

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<v Speaker 1>the basic citizens against things like that. Right, there are

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<v Speaker 1>laws and things set in place so that when you

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<v Speaker 1>are racist, person that commits crimes out of racialism commits

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<v Speaker 1>crimes period. Their consequences and the justice system is failing

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<v Speaker 1>these these parents. It's failing these families because they're allowing

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<v Speaker 1>this person to commit murder without any consequences. It is

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<v Speaker 1>state sanctioned murder, is state sanctioned white supremacy, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and we're seeing that more and more, and I'm really

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<v Speaker 1>heartbroken for the children, I mean for the families of

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<v Speaker 1>the children. You know, just looking at um Stanley Davis Jr.

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<v Speaker 1>The father, Stanley Davids, the third and just hearing how

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<v Speaker 1>this is wearing on him, Just trying to understand. I have,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, three sons, and if this was any of

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<v Speaker 1>my sons, I know, the you know, the minds that being,

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<v Speaker 1>I know, it would crush me totally. So just hearing

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<v Speaker 1>what he's dealing with, hearing the mother of the other one,

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<v Speaker 1>the yeah, yeah, the mother of Jaden Rear was dead

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<v Speaker 1>and and just hearing her and she would hold back

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<v Speaker 1>tears hearing Stanley, Stanley Davis's mother, you know, she she

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<v Speaker 1>even got choked up to what she couldn't even continue

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<v Speaker 1>to talk. So these things child, their only child was killed.

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<v Speaker 1>But because an officer is unhinged and just running wild,

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<v Speaker 1>and no one has done anything about it, there's so

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<v Speaker 1>there's so many things happening that I'm trying to figure

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<v Speaker 1>out who is responsible, Like nobody pays for any of

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<v Speaker 1>the things that's happening to black people. And I just

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<v Speaker 1>don't know. I can't believe it, like I don't. I

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<v Speaker 1>cannot believe that a thirteen year old child was killed

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<v Speaker 1>after two other children and at some point even still

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<v Speaker 1>to right now, this man hasn't been by you. It's

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<v Speaker 1>disgusting then, you know, And then to move on to

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<v Speaker 1>more things. Then now we have nineteen babies, twenty well

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen people, eighteen babies and two teachers. It's just unbelievable. Man,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I don't understand where we are in this country.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't understand in the mind's sake. I tell a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of prayers every night, praying for not only my

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<v Speaker 1>family and myself, but just every human being. We're just

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<v Speaker 1>in very dark times and you know, I don't even

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<v Speaker 1>know what to say. Every day you turn on the news,

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<v Speaker 1>there's another atrocity, you know, and and we have to

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<v Speaker 1>deal with those things. Trauma, the trauma that is setting

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<v Speaker 1>in on just the average human being is very high.

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<v Speaker 1>You look, you look at um suicide rates is just violence.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's so much trauma that we're dealing with, and

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<v Speaker 1>we're in taking all of the trauma and it's causing

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<v Speaker 1>you the last show, it's causing you to do things

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<v Speaker 1>that are irrational, it's causing mental health issues. So I

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<v Speaker 1>would ask anyone if you're feeling like, you know, suicidal,

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<v Speaker 1>you feel like you're dealing with trauma, find you know,

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<v Speaker 1>they are definitely hotlines to what you can call and

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<v Speaker 1>speak to people you know, speak to someone who's who

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<v Speaker 1>specializes in mental health, if you have some individual that

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<v Speaker 1>you just like to talk to who calms you down.

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<v Speaker 1>But don't hold it in, don't internalize a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>this trauma and pain, because I know it's a lot. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>you were saying that it's designed like that is what

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<v Speaker 1>white supremacy does. It creates so much confusion intention that

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<v Speaker 1>it's designed to make people lose their minds, take their lives,

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<v Speaker 1>take the lives of others. Because the whole premise of

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<v Speaker 1>of white supremacy is to gain control, power and to

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<v Speaker 1>be able to maintain whatever it is that they believe

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<v Speaker 1>makes them period, right, And so with that being said,

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<v Speaker 1>the only way to have control, the only way to

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<v Speaker 1>have power and dominion over a people, a land and

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<v Speaker 1>all its resources is you have to keep the people confused.

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<v Speaker 1>You have to keep the people stressed. You have to

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<v Speaker 1>keep the people feeling like they can't get their bearings

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<v Speaker 1>because therefore they can't stop to focus on fighting the

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<v Speaker 1>real enemy, which is the white supremacy and the and

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<v Speaker 1>the institutions that uphold it. So they're doing a damn

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<v Speaker 1>good job. And you said that to me. When I

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<v Speaker 1>was telling you yesterday, I said, I'm not doing well.

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<v Speaker 1>Today has been a bad day. I was crying off

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<v Speaker 1>and on after I learned that Erma Gonzalez, the teacher,

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<v Speaker 1>one of the teachers who was killed in Texas. When

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<v Speaker 1>I learned that her husband had a heart attack and died,

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<v Speaker 1>I was finished. The day before, my legs were struggling

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<v Speaker 1>to walk towards the top supermarket while we were in Buffalo.

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<v Speaker 1>In Buffalo, like as I was walking, I was getting

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<v Speaker 1>to like I was videoing I was gonna live. There

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<v Speaker 1>was so much family and love and support that was

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<v Speaker 1>out there. We fed five people and it felt so

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<v Speaker 1>good to see, you know, until freedom out there partnering

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<v Speaker 1>with other groups and doing what we could do. But

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<v Speaker 1>I was trying to take the people on the phone

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<v Speaker 1>on the journey and bring them all the way to

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<v Speaker 1>Tops and I couldn't walk over there. So then you

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<v Speaker 1>come back and now his husband has died. It's a lie,

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<v Speaker 1>and you said, this is what it's designed to do.

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<v Speaker 1>It definitely is man so much, but I do want

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<v Speaker 1>to shine. I like the one good thing we did,

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<v Speaker 1>like you said, we were in Buffalo, you know, um

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<v Speaker 1>our condolences went out to the families who lost the

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<v Speaker 1>loved ones in the Buffalo mass massacre, and we went

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<v Speaker 1>out there and we decided to partner with them Feed

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<v Speaker 1>Buffalo and our brother Trade the Truth to get some resources,

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<v Speaker 1>get food, get vegetables, fruits, get all of the resources

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<v Speaker 1>that some of the families need, because like you said,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a food desert. That Tops Market was the closest

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<v Speaker 1>market within about the twenty mile radius. So we decided

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<v Speaker 1>that what we would do will go out there and

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<v Speaker 1>make it easier for those in the community who couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>get or just didn't have the resources. They just try

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<v Speaker 1>to provide them with something of joy. There was music,

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<v Speaker 1>There was a food truck out there which you can

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<v Speaker 1>get free food to eat, hot meals, you know, So

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<v Speaker 1>for me. It was a little bit of sunshine in

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<v Speaker 1>all of it. And I seen hit Sunshine Sunshine. Sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I've seen a lot of kids out there

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<v Speaker 1>laughing that the music was good. It was just a

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<v Speaker 1>little little yeah. Elders are out there. People were happy

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<v Speaker 1>to see us, They hugged us, you know, they took pictures.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, to try to provide a little bit of

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<v Speaker 1>positivity in this time is very necessary. We overwhelmed with negativity,

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<v Speaker 1>and we hear all the negative things. But I'm glad

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<v Speaker 1>that um Our Until Freedom team were able to connect

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<v Speaker 1>with other people who have the same mind state and

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<v Speaker 1>the same hearts like we did to provide that. So

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<v Speaker 1>shout out to Until Freedom, shout out to trade, shout

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<v Speaker 1>out to media. Um Uh, every bottom covered feed Buffalo.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, there were so many out there with us. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And we had our brother Jamal Crews on the I

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<v Speaker 1>guess two episodes ago on Street Politicians, and we worked

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<v Speaker 1>with him right immediately following that interview to set up

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<v Speaker 1>a time for us to go to Buffalo. And we

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<v Speaker 1>were there and like you said, it was a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of love and you know a lot of just heartfelt

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<v Speaker 1>conversations and to the point that we were talking about

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<v Speaker 1>before this, um I was doing. I was on live

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<v Speaker 1>because we were raising money, like right on the scene.

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<v Speaker 1>We took people to Target for two hours while we shocked.

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<v Speaker 1>Linda and I were there in Target putting things in

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<v Speaker 1>the cart. The folks were on the phone on the

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<v Speaker 1>lives saying, I'm sending a hundred dollars, get some more

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<v Speaker 1>can to tune. It's not enough tuna in the car.

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<v Speaker 1>You need more rice. You need this, you need spaghetti sauce,

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<v Speaker 1>you need this, you need that. People we're helping right there.

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<v Speaker 1>We was doing it. Why because unfortunately there is this

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<v Speaker 1>narrative that like people aren't in the community, and and

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<v Speaker 1>maybe that's our fault, right, maybe because especially a person

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<v Speaker 1>like me, I don't use my devices all the time

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about what it is that I'm doing. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't always like to show people or even and sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>I kind of feel like because me and you know this,

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<v Speaker 1>I spend a lot of my personal money donating giving.

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<v Speaker 1>I certainly um M A M A A. I'm a

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<v Speaker 1>very I'm a strong donor of campaigns, local races. I

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<v Speaker 1>give people my personal money across the country all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>I support organizations if something happens. I try my best

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<v Speaker 1>to do as much as I can, and of course

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<v Speaker 1>I wish I could do more, but I do spend

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<v Speaker 1>and try to give, donate investor, as you say, and

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<v Speaker 1>so I don't often talk about that. But I also

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<v Speaker 1>don't necessarily use my social media to bring a light

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<v Speaker 1>or to shed light on what I'm doing in the

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<v Speaker 1>moment um. And so I decided to do that right then,

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<v Speaker 1>so people could help, and they did. Folks were helping

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<v Speaker 1>us out, giving us ideas, sending um Investor mints, donations

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<v Speaker 1>and um and we did that all day. And then

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<v Speaker 1>as I was talking to this one family and they

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<v Speaker 1>and it was a live conversation with a mother and

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<v Speaker 1>her niece, UM, and they were like, you know what,

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<v Speaker 1>we're not letting anybody lock us up. They were they

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<v Speaker 1>were elderly. One woman was actually on a motorbike, a

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<v Speaker 1>motor you know the I don't know the scooter or

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<v Speaker 1>it's not even a scooter, it's a bike. So she

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<v Speaker 1>was sitting there. She had all bags of groceries. We

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<v Speaker 1>didn't give people one thing. They had bags. People left

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<v Speaker 1>with five bags of baby whites and of color rocks

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<v Speaker 1>whites and canned goods and perishables and all types of things.

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<v Speaker 1>Bread like you said, shout out to trade the truth

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<v Speaker 1>for the bread the vegetables. And so they were like,

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<v Speaker 1>we're not letting anybody lock us up in our homes.

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<v Speaker 1>And that gave me so much like joy to hear

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<v Speaker 1>them say that and make me feel like I could fight,

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<v Speaker 1>because they were like, we're not We're come our song,

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<v Speaker 1>and for the seniors that can't come, we're picking up bags,

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<v Speaker 1>taking it down there and coming back to help them.

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<v Speaker 1>And that is what it's all about. We can't even though, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes you might have to take two or three days

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<v Speaker 1>to sit down, get yourself together, but we're in a fight.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a war that has been waged against us, and

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<v Speaker 1>we better know that we're in this war and that

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<v Speaker 1>they're gonna be people who are not supposed. When you

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<v Speaker 1>say white supremacy, what do you mean because the kid

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<v Speaker 1>in uh In, Texas who killed those he's not white.

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<v Speaker 1>It's white supremacy is not about color. White supremacy, it's

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<v Speaker 1>about a the ideology. It's about systematic oppression. Right, it's

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<v Speaker 1>a it's it's it's bigger than just the person who's

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<v Speaker 1>carrying it out and that's what happens because the country

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<v Speaker 1>is so off the chain with mental health issues and

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<v Speaker 1>hunger and everything that's going on social media helping to

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<v Speaker 1>drive people crazy. You're gonna see more people acting out

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<v Speaker 1>these horrific incidents because folks are not in their stable

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<v Speaker 1>mind and that is something that we have to tackle

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<v Speaker 1>to do. You know, Shot once again shout out to

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<v Speaker 1>trade the truth. He left directly from Buffalo to go

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<v Speaker 1>all the way out to his hometown in Texas. He

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<v Speaker 1>went to your All Day you know, elementary school, and

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<v Speaker 1>he was out there with the families, um and he

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<v Speaker 1>reached out to us, and you know, we're trying to

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<v Speaker 1>help with some of the finances for the funerals, whatever

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<v Speaker 1>we can do. You know, it's a tracked it's been

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of tragedy. It's been so much tragedy. But

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<v Speaker 1>you know, people like what we do and what other

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<v Speaker 1>organizations which Trade does. It gives some level of solnce

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<v Speaker 1>knowing that there are people, individuals and a bunch of

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<v Speaker 1>people who wants better man, who are willing to get

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<v Speaker 1>on those front lines, willing to go outside, as we say,

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<v Speaker 1>because when we say we're outside, and ain't that we

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<v Speaker 1>outside with the community. We work for the people, and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and it's good too. It's good to be

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<v Speaker 1>able to after those things to come and get a

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<v Speaker 1>hug from somebody that you know was dealing with a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of trauma and paint. And when you hug them,

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<v Speaker 1>you feel that you've you've given your energy to them

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<v Speaker 1>or they give you and they smile laughter because they

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<v Speaker 1>know someone kids. So you know, I'm I'm happy to

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<v Speaker 1>be a part of that process, the rebuilding process, the

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<v Speaker 1>love process, the the community process, the unity process for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, speaking of just all the things that's happening.

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<v Speaker 1>Last year, on May which was the anniversary UM of

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<v Speaker 1>the murder of George Floyd, something that changed the world

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<v Speaker 1>forever and ever and ever will never ever be the same. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>we saw Joe Biden, President Biden say that he wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to UH the House to pass the George Floyd Justice

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<v Speaker 1>and Police and Bill, and it didn't happen. And so

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<v Speaker 1>for a whole year we've been using fighting, protesting, demanding, meeting,

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<v Speaker 1>organizing to get something done. And on this week, UH

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<v Speaker 1>the anniversary again of second anniversary or yeah, the second

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<v Speaker 1>anniversary of George, of the murder of George Floyd. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>the President signed several executive orders. Uh, and this was

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<v Speaker 1>a part of the George Floyd Justice and Police and Acts.

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<v Speaker 1>He focused on some important things. Um, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>at least we got that done. Does it go far enough? No?

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<v Speaker 1>First of all far enough for us. First of all,

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<v Speaker 1>George Foyd Justice and Police and Act was not far enough,

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<v Speaker 1>so that in and of itself did not have all

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<v Speaker 1>the things in it, and it wasn't as strong as

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<v Speaker 1>it needed to be in order to address some of

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<v Speaker 1>the key issues. However, there was some important things, and um,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, there will have time. I think what we

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<v Speaker 1>should do is bring maybe Congressman Jamal Bowman back to

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<v Speaker 1>talk through all of the different things that's in the

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<v Speaker 1>executive order, so we're not just talking off our head

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<v Speaker 1>but really looking at what these things mean. But there

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<v Speaker 1>was one piece that is extremely important, and that is

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<v Speaker 1>the registry, the National Registry. So because at this point,

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<v Speaker 1>can you believe it were in two and there is

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<v Speaker 1>no national registerstry where a police officer who has committed

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<v Speaker 1>some act of violence, racism, excessive force, or what have you,

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<v Speaker 1>is in a system that all over the country people

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<v Speaker 1>have access to it and other police departments, and so

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<v Speaker 1>you could get a job, you could be working over

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<v Speaker 1>here and then and kill somebody and then go, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>fifty miles away and get a job on another police force,

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<v Speaker 1>and they will say they didn't know or they didn't

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<v Speaker 1>have the information, even though a lot of times they

0:20:07.240 --> 0:20:09.840
<v Speaker 1>do know and they just don't do anything about it.

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<v Speaker 1>But the registry allows us to hold people's feet to

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<v Speaker 1>the fire, and it allows us to also manage and

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<v Speaker 1>maintain data and know what is going on with these

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<v Speaker 1>different offices. Now, the point that it's always a step

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<v Speaker 1>to process. We have to fight with local municipalities to

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<v Speaker 1>participate in the registry. And that's what makes the executive orders, um,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, challenging, and it makes people say it's not

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<v Speaker 1>enough because these are all federal pieces of legislation that

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<v Speaker 1>he signed, and so it doesn't always reach us in

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<v Speaker 1>this on the state side the way that it needs to.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's always fighting. There's still so much to be done. However,

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<v Speaker 1>we demanded that the president do something, and he has

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<v Speaker 1>signed the executive orders. Now, one of his issues, one

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<v Speaker 1>of his key issues in our next our guest is

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<v Speaker 1>on for today, But one of his key issues is

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<v Speaker 1>that he did not want to do things around criminal

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<v Speaker 1>justice from an executive order perspective, because once he leaves office,

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<v Speaker 1>and especially if the Democrats do not win again, the

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<v Speaker 1>Republicans will more than likely overturn everything that he's done.

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<v Speaker 1>And in fact, even if the Democrats are in place,

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<v Speaker 1>and you have a situation where the Republicans are able

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<v Speaker 1>to win that control of the House, and you know

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<v Speaker 1>right now, it's very slim, and in fact, we're the

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<v Speaker 1>Democrats and I'm a Democrat. Um, we're in jeopardy because

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<v Speaker 1>there are two Democrats, particularly Joe Manchin and Christian Cinema,

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<v Speaker 1>who vote unfortunately or especially over the last several years,

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<v Speaker 1>they have been leaning in a Republican direction. They've been

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<v Speaker 1>leaning with conservative politics. And therefore we are not as

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<v Speaker 1>strong as we should be with our fifty plus one.

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<v Speaker 1>If the plus one means we've got half of the

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<v Speaker 1>House plus one vote. Being Kamala Harris as the vice president,

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<v Speaker 1>she has the tie breaking vote. And so if this

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<v Speaker 1>situation flips in any way where we lose more seats,

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<v Speaker 1>which in the mid term elections, I believe it is

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<v Speaker 1>very very very possible, and we might not win. The

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<v Speaker 1>Democrats may not win the presidency. Then everything that he

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<v Speaker 1>signed as an executive order, everything that has been signed,

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<v Speaker 1>it will be overturned. Um, it can be overturned, and

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<v Speaker 1>more than likely will be. And so he did not

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<v Speaker 1>want to do executive orders. He wanted to get real

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<v Speaker 1>legislation passed from the House, which would have made it permanent.

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<v Speaker 1>And and so these things are always a challenge. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not enough, and it's a whole hell of a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of more work to be done. And sure is man

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<v Speaker 1>but like you said, something is being done. A lot

0:22:53.440 --> 0:22:55.399
<v Speaker 1>of people are on the fence with this and that

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<v Speaker 1>for me, you know, I just understand the government in

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<v Speaker 1>a different manner and understand and you know, the kragmire

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<v Speaker 1>that we deal with. Understand that the government structure is

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<v Speaker 1>really not set up to favor the least of these

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<v Speaker 1>or the man generalized communities. It's not really set up

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<v Speaker 1>to benefit us. Right, so when you look at situations

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<v Speaker 1>like these bills, like having the past executive orders at

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<v Speaker 1>this point, that's really all we have. But we know

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<v Speaker 1>that that is uh. You know, it's a band aid

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<v Speaker 1>on a on a on a gunshot wound. You know

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<v Speaker 1>it's not gonna it's not gonna really make any change,

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<v Speaker 1>because each individual state has the ability to just say

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<v Speaker 1>we're not following that because it's just on the federal

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<v Speaker 1>level and it doesn't apply to our state. So we

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<v Speaker 1>understand what we're dealing with. You know, hopefully we'll get

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<v Speaker 1>to a state where we actually have real power within government,

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<v Speaker 1>where we have people who are willing to be radical

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<v Speaker 1>make radical changes, people are willing to stand on it

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<v Speaker 1>and and fight for what it what's necessary, and what's honorable,

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<v Speaker 1>and what's decent and what's you know, the right thing

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<v Speaker 1>to do. But until then, you know, we just gotta

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<v Speaker 1>take what we have to take that's right. So so

0:24:04.920 --> 0:24:08.159
<v Speaker 1>that talking about laws and all of that takes us

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<v Speaker 1>right into our next guest. Um I noticed that last

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<v Speaker 1>last week while we were a matter of fact, it

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<v Speaker 1>may have been this week. It has been this week.

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<v Speaker 1>It's been. I mean, stuff is just happening, man um.

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<v Speaker 1>I saw that gonna the artists when he went to court,

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<v Speaker 1>the courts denied him the right to be what is

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<v Speaker 1>it uh, what is it called? He wanted to be, wanted,

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<v Speaker 1>he wanted to know. He was trying to get a bill,

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<v Speaker 1>and that was the word, that was the word bail.

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<v Speaker 1>Um So they denied it, and he um, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>has his next court date is not until sometime late

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<v Speaker 1>in January, so he would basically have to be in

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<v Speaker 1>jail all of that time. And um, you know, people

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<v Speaker 1>on the internet that was mixed reviews. There are some

0:24:55.480 --> 0:24:59.440
<v Speaker 1>people who are like, well, because of course the district attorney,

0:25:00.040 --> 0:25:04.159
<v Speaker 1>the state's attorney, they made the case that he is

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<v Speaker 1>the leader of a gang, he was the shot caller,

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<v Speaker 1>and therefore he's a flight risk and he should not

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<v Speaker 1>be released, you know, to home confinement until the trial

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<v Speaker 1>begins and um or while a trial is taking place.

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<v Speaker 1>And then, um, you know, obviously the same thing happened

0:25:22.320 --> 0:25:24.400
<v Speaker 1>with Young Thug over the last couple of weeks. We've

0:25:24.440 --> 0:25:26.720
<v Speaker 1>seen that. And so you have these two artists that

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<v Speaker 1>are beloved by a lot of folks. And like I said,

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<v Speaker 1>you've got a lot of people mixed feelings. You've got

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<v Speaker 1>people who support the system. Is said, well, Atlanta is crazy,

0:25:34.720 --> 0:25:37.000
<v Speaker 1>and you know, they were in the gang. And there's

0:25:37.240 --> 0:25:39.840
<v Speaker 1>argument over whether Y. S. L Is a gang or not,

0:25:40.200 --> 0:25:41.959
<v Speaker 1>and you know, and all of that, and then you

0:25:41.960 --> 0:25:44.640
<v Speaker 1>have people who are just saying, here we go again too.

0:25:44.680 --> 0:25:48.359
<v Speaker 1>Black men who may have kept the wrong friends but

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<v Speaker 1>you know they it's this a circumstance of their environment, um,

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<v Speaker 1>and that they, you know, should not be looking at

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<v Speaker 1>all of this time. So you've got all of these

0:25:57.840 --> 0:26:01.800
<v Speaker 1>different perspectives out there. Um. But of course you got

0:26:01.840 --> 0:26:04.040
<v Speaker 1>two men and others who are caught up in the

0:26:04.080 --> 0:26:07.280
<v Speaker 1>midst of it. And the main charge, the main debate

0:26:07.359 --> 0:26:10.560
<v Speaker 1>has been Rico and Rico has so much to do

0:26:10.680 --> 0:26:14.159
<v Speaker 1>with conspiracies and and whether or not you were standing

0:26:14.240 --> 0:26:16.399
<v Speaker 1>next to and on the phone with and what happened.

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<v Speaker 1>And it doesn't always have to be that there is

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<v Speaker 1>specific evidence that shows that you actually killed someone or

0:26:23.840 --> 0:26:26.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, they don't they don't necessarily find the smoking gun.

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<v Speaker 1>And so now we have a guest coming up who

0:26:29.720 --> 0:26:32.080
<v Speaker 1>happens to be your friend, um, and so I think

0:26:32.119 --> 0:26:34.439
<v Speaker 1>we should bring him in. And and this is somebody

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<v Speaker 1>who's gonna talk to us about Rico. Law's firsthand, my brother,

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<v Speaker 1>my friend, you know, my comrade, somebody that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we speak And I get a lot of jewels from

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<v Speaker 1>who's been around in this industry, who's been around just

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<v Speaker 1>in life a long time. And and it's an honorable individual.

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<v Speaker 1>He is the CEO of Adventurous Music group my brother

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<v Speaker 1>Chris gotty, what's going on came and something? Thank you

0:27:04.760 --> 0:27:07.919
<v Speaker 1>to Maka, thank you for having me appreciate it. So

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<v Speaker 1>before you came on, we were we were talking about

0:27:11.960 --> 0:27:15.760
<v Speaker 1>the topic of um Rico laws as it relates to

0:27:16.600 --> 0:27:20.760
<v Speaker 1>young Thug and Gonna and their situation and how you

0:27:20.800 --> 0:27:23.520
<v Speaker 1>have so many different perspectives. You know, of course black

0:27:23.560 --> 0:27:26.159
<v Speaker 1>folks know how to debate like no other, and so

0:27:26.320 --> 0:27:29.639
<v Speaker 1>people online have all different types of feelings. But it

0:27:29.680 --> 0:27:33.520
<v Speaker 1>seemed like there's a common thought that rico is a

0:27:33.640 --> 0:27:38.600
<v Speaker 1>very dangerous, uh situation for anybody to get caught up in,

0:27:38.960 --> 0:27:41.960
<v Speaker 1>because it doesn't always mean that there's a smoking gun

0:27:42.000 --> 0:27:44.760
<v Speaker 1>in your hand, but just who you know, who you

0:27:44.840 --> 0:27:48.400
<v Speaker 1>really be affiliated with, and sort of the conspiracy theory

0:27:48.800 --> 0:27:51.880
<v Speaker 1>of what you could be involved in based upon whatever

0:27:51.960 --> 0:27:55.720
<v Speaker 1>the government decides. And you said, you know firsthand about

0:27:55.760 --> 0:27:57.320
<v Speaker 1>all of this, so why don't you tell us about

0:27:57.320 --> 0:27:59.840
<v Speaker 1>your experience, what you've been through, and then how to

0:28:00.040 --> 0:28:03.400
<v Speaker 1>you deal with it along with your brother? Wow, So

0:28:04.119 --> 0:28:07.080
<v Speaker 1>you know, well, we went through we went through a

0:28:07.119 --> 0:28:11.320
<v Speaker 1>federal investigation. I believe they're dealing with the state still

0:28:11.440 --> 0:28:16.160
<v Speaker 1>that RICO which is like a criminal enterprise, which they're

0:28:16.160 --> 0:28:19.240
<v Speaker 1>trying to make it like there's multiple people involved in

0:28:19.359 --> 0:28:22.720
<v Speaker 1>knowing about some type of illegal activities and proceeding with

0:28:22.720 --> 0:28:27.280
<v Speaker 1>whatever that might be. Um, you know, when I know,

0:28:27.359 --> 0:28:29.760
<v Speaker 1>I text you on your your Instagram and it was

0:28:29.800 --> 0:28:32.919
<v Speaker 1>really because I know how challenging it is, and I

0:28:32.960 --> 0:28:35.440
<v Speaker 1>know my son and being what you've been through with

0:28:36.400 --> 0:28:39.600
<v Speaker 1>in your own life, the challenge that come these things

0:28:39.640 --> 0:28:42.200
<v Speaker 1>that that are going on right now, they put together

0:28:42.360 --> 0:28:46.200
<v Speaker 1>is very strategic. It wasn't like it happened overnight. This

0:28:46.280 --> 0:28:49.040
<v Speaker 1>is something that the government or the state put together

0:28:49.160 --> 0:28:52.400
<v Speaker 1>for probably some time now before they actually came forward.

0:28:52.600 --> 0:28:58.520
<v Speaker 1>Especially because they're famous, right because of their stature, they

0:28:58.560 --> 0:29:03.400
<v Speaker 1>would not make moves out having some type of cooperation

0:29:03.440 --> 0:29:07.640
<v Speaker 1>with somebody saying something. You know, we're we're actually in

0:29:07.680 --> 0:29:11.520
<v Speaker 1>a criminal conversation right now. If you you know, this

0:29:11.600 --> 0:29:14.960
<v Speaker 1>is what conspiring. You know, conspiracy is all about ort Rico.

0:29:15.560 --> 0:29:18.640
<v Speaker 1>You know, once we start talking in these in these forums,

0:29:18.680 --> 0:29:23.040
<v Speaker 1>in these capacity, you could say something I said or

0:29:23.120 --> 0:29:25.840
<v Speaker 1>didn't say and make it like it's a real problem.

0:29:25.880 --> 0:29:29.520
<v Speaker 1>And that's why it's so serious for these guys because

0:29:30.080 --> 0:29:35.000
<v Speaker 1>how how many people they have involved. Uh, it's very

0:29:35.040 --> 0:29:38.760
<v Speaker 1>difficult to to get out of these things, to navigate

0:29:38.840 --> 0:29:41.800
<v Speaker 1>out of the situation, and in the way being my

0:29:41.880 --> 0:29:44.640
<v Speaker 1>brother did it. The first thing we did was severed

0:29:45.040 --> 0:29:50.560
<v Speaker 1>the case. We severed our case, which means we we

0:29:50.640 --> 0:29:54.080
<v Speaker 1>took a different position from the others that might have

0:29:54.160 --> 0:29:56.920
<v Speaker 1>been involved. Let's say in our case, Ken Ken of

0:29:57.000 --> 0:30:00.960
<v Speaker 1>Supreme Griff, who's my brother, who's still with me to

0:30:01.080 --> 0:30:04.480
<v Speaker 1>this day. Right, but we knew the government wanted them

0:30:04.520 --> 0:30:07.000
<v Speaker 1>and he couldn't stand next to him in the sense

0:30:07.040 --> 0:30:10.400
<v Speaker 1>of going in that court room with those same charges

0:30:10.440 --> 0:30:14.880
<v Speaker 1>that he might be facing. Okay, that to make us

0:30:14.880 --> 0:30:17.040
<v Speaker 1>face those same charges. I believe he was charged with.

0:30:17.120 --> 0:30:20.360
<v Speaker 1>I think twenty two or I'm so good I can

0:30:21.040 --> 0:30:22.800
<v Speaker 1>do one kind of stay one with them because because

0:30:22.800 --> 0:30:25.480
<v Speaker 1>I don't think we actually was clear. Right. So, Chris

0:30:25.480 --> 0:30:28.920
<v Speaker 1>Gotti is the brother of IRV Gotti and Murder Inc.

0:30:29.720 --> 0:30:35.160
<v Speaker 1>Was under investigation. They had rico charges filed against them.

0:30:35.200 --> 0:30:37.960
<v Speaker 1>Griff was also someone who was affiliated with them, but

0:30:38.280 --> 0:30:40.040
<v Speaker 1>he was not part of Murder Ink, but he was

0:30:40.160 --> 0:30:43.200
<v Speaker 1>had affiliation. They were friends, they were from like family,

0:30:44.080 --> 0:30:47.600
<v Speaker 1>and you know, he was supposedly connected in some type

0:30:47.600 --> 0:30:50.640
<v Speaker 1>of street dealings of weather and the federal government wanted

0:30:50.680 --> 0:30:53.640
<v Speaker 1>to get him, so they pretty much attached these cases.

0:30:53.920 --> 0:30:56.320
<v Speaker 1>So right now, what Chris is doing is explaining to

0:30:56.360 --> 0:31:00.080
<v Speaker 1>you the process. And with him and his brother irv Al,

0:31:00.240 --> 0:31:03.080
<v Speaker 1>he went about and being one of the few people

0:31:03.160 --> 0:31:07.040
<v Speaker 1>to have actually be the Federico charge. Yes, and we

0:31:07.120 --> 0:31:09.400
<v Speaker 1>went the whole way. See, most the reason to phase

0:31:09.600 --> 0:31:14.040
<v Speaker 1>at the conviction is most people take the plea, they'll

0:31:14.080 --> 0:31:17.160
<v Speaker 1>cop out, so that's a conviction. But you know that

0:31:17.320 --> 0:31:20.200
<v Speaker 1>is what they're putting the pressure on these celebrities. They

0:31:20.200 --> 0:31:22.760
<v Speaker 1>never thought me and my brother would go against them

0:31:22.800 --> 0:31:25.880
<v Speaker 1>the whole way. Uh, because the offers they made us

0:31:25.920 --> 0:31:28.440
<v Speaker 1>the police, they gave us was like unbelievable, Like it

0:31:28.560 --> 0:31:31.640
<v Speaker 1>was so easy to say, okay, let's take it. But

0:31:31.720 --> 0:31:34.640
<v Speaker 1>the problem was I had nothing to tell them, and

0:31:34.680 --> 0:31:37.320
<v Speaker 1>that's what they wanted. They wanted some cooperation in order

0:31:37.320 --> 0:31:40.440
<v Speaker 1>to get that plea. And there's nothing to say again.

0:31:40.640 --> 0:31:43.520
<v Speaker 1>So if to go into detail about me and Kenny

0:31:43.720 --> 0:31:48.200
<v Speaker 1>Supreme with Griff, uh, I'm from Hollis, Queens. He's from

0:31:48.240 --> 0:31:50.720
<v Speaker 1>south Side. Hollis and south Side is all in one.

0:31:50.920 --> 0:31:53.440
<v Speaker 1>We don't mix. We never did. I grew up my

0:31:53.480 --> 0:31:57.240
<v Speaker 1>whole adolescent years fighting someone from South side like every day,

0:31:57.320 --> 0:32:00.600
<v Speaker 1>literally every days, running through Friday like. So at the

0:32:00.680 --> 0:32:03.520
<v Speaker 1>end of the day, people didn't realize we knew who

0:32:03.560 --> 0:32:07.360
<v Speaker 1>he was in his heyday. He was a kingpin, he

0:32:07.600 --> 0:32:09.680
<v Speaker 1>was a drug dealer, He did do those things. He

0:32:09.720 --> 0:32:12.240
<v Speaker 1>went to jail, comes home after about twelve years after

0:32:12.320 --> 0:32:16.959
<v Speaker 1>overturning his case, and we meet basically just like anyone

0:32:17.000 --> 0:32:19.360
<v Speaker 1>else with me. I knew about him, I knew who

0:32:19.360 --> 0:32:22.200
<v Speaker 1>he was, but I wasn't just running to him or

0:32:22.320 --> 0:32:24.240
<v Speaker 1>trying to be his friend. He's the king of south Side,

0:32:24.280 --> 0:32:26.960
<v Speaker 1>So imagine I'm fighting dudes from south Side all all

0:32:26.960 --> 0:32:30.280
<v Speaker 1>the time, and he's the basically the boss of south Side,

0:32:30.360 --> 0:32:32.720
<v Speaker 1>the king of the south Side that we meet. He

0:32:32.800 --> 0:32:37.680
<v Speaker 1>was very slow paced, and that's how we became uh friends,

0:32:37.720 --> 0:32:40.120
<v Speaker 1>the way we are to this day. We built a regular,

0:32:40.200 --> 0:32:44.320
<v Speaker 1>normal friendship. So when he came home, he wasn't participating

0:32:44.360 --> 0:32:46.920
<v Speaker 1>in all of those criminal acts that I knew about

0:32:46.960 --> 0:32:50.800
<v Speaker 1>from back when he was the kingpin. He was different.

0:32:51.000 --> 0:32:53.080
<v Speaker 1>He went in for twelve years, came home and didn't

0:32:53.080 --> 0:32:56.560
<v Speaker 1>have the same relationships connects. All his other cohorts was

0:32:56.600 --> 0:32:59.400
<v Speaker 1>locked up or dead, So it was a big difference, right,

0:32:59.400 --> 0:33:01.520
<v Speaker 1>and then the him and try to paint this picture

0:33:01.920 --> 0:33:04.080
<v Speaker 1>of this is who he was, and it just didn't

0:33:04.080 --> 0:33:07.040
<v Speaker 1>make sense. But the reason I was going into severing

0:33:07.080 --> 0:33:10.600
<v Speaker 1>the case, which I believe if uh Donna and Thugger's

0:33:10.760 --> 0:33:14.000
<v Speaker 1>lawyers was really trying to do something properly, that would

0:33:14.000 --> 0:33:16.680
<v Speaker 1>be the first step is to say, wait a minute,

0:33:16.720 --> 0:33:21.400
<v Speaker 1>my these guys are celebrities, their stars, they intertwined with everyone.

0:33:21.480 --> 0:33:23.680
<v Speaker 1>So in my case, what happened when we were into

0:33:23.760 --> 0:33:27.080
<v Speaker 1>Courton pictures, You know, you started realizing you see me

0:33:27.120 --> 0:33:29.680
<v Speaker 1>take all these pictures with people, but it starts telling

0:33:29.720 --> 0:33:32.560
<v Speaker 1>the story that may not be really true. Because the

0:33:32.600 --> 0:33:35.280
<v Speaker 1>story that was being painted for me and my brother

0:33:35.520 --> 0:33:37.959
<v Speaker 1>was look at all these guys there, well, look at

0:33:37.960 --> 0:33:40.800
<v Speaker 1>these pictures. Look and this is their history and their record,

0:33:40.840 --> 0:33:43.840
<v Speaker 1>criminal records, and they're involved with them. And I'm like, no,

0:33:43.920 --> 0:33:47.000
<v Speaker 1>we're celebrities, were just being nice taking pictures. I don't

0:33:47.040 --> 0:33:49.520
<v Speaker 1>know these people, but it's our job now to prove

0:33:49.600 --> 0:33:51.880
<v Speaker 1>that we don't really have a relationship. And a lot

0:33:51.960 --> 0:33:54.480
<v Speaker 1>of these guys that we took pictures were started cooperative.

0:33:55.640 --> 0:33:59.479
<v Speaker 1>Let right there. Yeah, so you the two of you

0:33:59.600 --> 0:34:04.040
<v Speaker 1>had previous history, like criminal history from the past that

0:34:04.160 --> 0:34:07.560
<v Speaker 1>they also sort of used to make the case that

0:34:07.680 --> 0:34:10.479
<v Speaker 1>you are the same guys that you were. No no, no, no,

0:34:10.640 --> 0:34:13.960
<v Speaker 1>not me and my brother. Okay, good, okay, not me

0:34:14.000 --> 0:34:17.520
<v Speaker 1>and my brother was fresh and Tamika. I've been blessed

0:34:17.520 --> 0:34:20.040
<v Speaker 1>to navigate through all of those ups and downs from

0:34:20.160 --> 0:34:23.360
<v Speaker 1>my adolescent years, not saying I was a saint or

0:34:23.520 --> 0:34:26.600
<v Speaker 1>wasn't doing things. I just never was involved in. There's

0:34:26.600 --> 0:34:30.520
<v Speaker 1>no criminal record on me or my brother. But he

0:34:30.640 --> 0:34:34.200
<v Speaker 1>took pictures with We're at the club and you're in

0:34:34.239 --> 0:34:37.000
<v Speaker 1>the club and you're taking pictures with They have all

0:34:37.000 --> 0:34:40.480
<v Speaker 1>these photos, you know, But that's it. That's important. This

0:34:40.520 --> 0:34:43.759
<v Speaker 1>isn't important thing right here that you're saying, because I

0:34:43.800 --> 0:34:47.400
<v Speaker 1>thought we were talking about Okay, you guys committed criminal

0:34:47.440 --> 0:34:50.400
<v Speaker 1>acts in the past, and now these are some of

0:34:50.440 --> 0:34:52.359
<v Speaker 1>the new people, and they're saying, well, look at y'all

0:34:52.400 --> 0:34:55.240
<v Speaker 1>coming up. You're telling me you don't even have a record,

0:34:55.560 --> 0:34:59.160
<v Speaker 1>no criminal past. And just because you were standing next

0:34:59.200 --> 0:35:02.879
<v Speaker 1>to somebody and you take a picture with them, they're

0:35:02.920 --> 0:35:05.840
<v Speaker 1>associating you or whatever this dude does when he leaves

0:35:05.880 --> 0:35:09.000
<v Speaker 1>the club, but before he came over, not even that

0:35:09.239 --> 0:35:12.560
<v Speaker 1>they're they're associated with the past. That the individual has

0:35:12.920 --> 0:35:16.640
<v Speaker 1>exactly saying is when the man came home from prison,

0:35:16.920 --> 0:35:19.600
<v Speaker 1>he wasn't even engaged in none of those activities, especially

0:35:19.640 --> 0:35:24.200
<v Speaker 1>not around them. So so they they utilized this man's past,

0:35:24.320 --> 0:35:27.480
<v Speaker 1>his criminal history to say, Okay, he's attached himself to

0:35:27.600 --> 0:35:31.000
<v Speaker 1>this organization who's successful. There has to be crime involved

0:35:31.000 --> 0:35:33.239
<v Speaker 1>in this. And I'm gonna tell you the mindset that

0:35:33.280 --> 0:35:35.880
<v Speaker 1>then why they're doing that because they feel once should

0:35:35.880 --> 0:35:38.800
<v Speaker 1>become successful, you should not be messing with your people

0:35:39.239 --> 0:35:42.839
<v Speaker 1>like that. That is really like. They used to come

0:35:42.880 --> 0:35:46.120
<v Speaker 1>to my house every day defense while while before the

0:35:46.160 --> 0:35:48.960
<v Speaker 1>trial started, and they would come to my house trying

0:35:48.960 --> 0:35:51.040
<v Speaker 1>to get me to cooperate, and my lawyer would say,

0:35:51.080 --> 0:35:53.000
<v Speaker 1>don't talk to him. I said, I'm not gonna tell nothing.

0:35:53.040 --> 0:35:55.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm just curiousy what they're thinking. And one of the

0:35:55.880 --> 0:36:00.200
<v Speaker 1>main things their main agenda with me was your part.

0:36:00.520 --> 0:36:03.879
<v Speaker 1>Why would you give up all this money you're making right?

0:36:03.960 --> 0:36:06.359
<v Speaker 1>Why would you jeopardize this business? We was at nine

0:36:06.360 --> 0:36:10.040
<v Speaker 1>figures at the time. Why would you jeopardize this for him?

0:36:10.120 --> 0:36:13.359
<v Speaker 1>If you don't tell on him or cooperate with us,

0:36:13.560 --> 0:36:15.799
<v Speaker 1>you'll be sitting right next to him because he will

0:36:15.840 --> 0:36:18.520
<v Speaker 1>go to jail, and that was the mindset and that

0:36:18.600 --> 0:36:20.960
<v Speaker 1>was the pressure basically me and my brother, because it

0:36:21.000 --> 0:36:24.240
<v Speaker 1>wasn't just me, my brother was My brother was getting

0:36:24.239 --> 0:36:27.440
<v Speaker 1>the same visits. He was getting the same conversations at

0:36:27.440 --> 0:36:29.799
<v Speaker 1>the same damn time, Like they was going to his

0:36:29.880 --> 0:36:32.200
<v Speaker 1>house and they're coming to my house eight in the morning.

0:36:32.239 --> 0:36:34.000
<v Speaker 1>It was so bad that I would just open the

0:36:34.040 --> 0:36:36.439
<v Speaker 1>door and go back to bed and then wait, get

0:36:36.440 --> 0:36:38.200
<v Speaker 1>back up in another hour and they be in my

0:36:38.239 --> 0:36:41.000
<v Speaker 1>living room waiting to talk. That's how serious it was.

0:36:41.600 --> 0:36:43.600
<v Speaker 1>You know, I have friends that was inconstrating. Thing was

0:36:43.640 --> 0:36:48.680
<v Speaker 1>telling me how they was going into their cells every day, okay,

0:36:48.719 --> 0:36:51.200
<v Speaker 1>to to to get them to cooperate or tell them

0:36:51.239 --> 0:36:53.920
<v Speaker 1>about me or my brother something we was involved in,

0:36:53.960 --> 0:36:57.000
<v Speaker 1>anything just to build their cakes. Like there's no ends

0:36:57.040 --> 0:37:00.279
<v Speaker 1>to how the thought they would go. And um, one

0:37:00.320 --> 0:37:04.839
<v Speaker 1>of the main things that I did, you know, financially

0:37:04.960 --> 0:37:08.200
<v Speaker 1>is the main reason we are free. I could probably

0:37:08.200 --> 0:37:11.520
<v Speaker 1>sit and ask my song right now, if he had money,

0:37:11.560 --> 0:37:14.440
<v Speaker 1>would he did his time? Like he probably couldn't fight

0:37:15.320 --> 0:37:18.600
<v Speaker 1>the fight he needed to fight to protect his freedom.

0:37:18.680 --> 0:37:21.600
<v Speaker 1>And it wasn't But it wasn't just money. It was

0:37:21.680 --> 0:37:26.520
<v Speaker 1>also knowledge, right because yes, you look to me for

0:37:26.640 --> 0:37:29.319
<v Speaker 1>You're right. I didn't know, but I wouldn't have needed

0:37:29.320 --> 0:37:32.480
<v Speaker 1>that knowledge if I had the right lawyer. Right, my

0:37:32.560 --> 0:37:38.480
<v Speaker 1>lawyer had a right amount of money lawyer, And if

0:37:38.520 --> 0:37:40.359
<v Speaker 1>I would if I would have had the right Listen

0:37:40.360 --> 0:37:41.600
<v Speaker 1>what I'm trying to tell you. If I had the right,

0:37:41.680 --> 0:37:45.200
<v Speaker 1>if I was worth twenty million dollars, somebody was set

0:37:45.200 --> 0:37:47.480
<v Speaker 1>this that Listen, This lawyer right here is the only

0:37:47.600 --> 0:37:50.280
<v Speaker 1>lawyer taking your case. I don't care. Would nothing happened.

0:37:50.760 --> 0:37:52.840
<v Speaker 1>They would have They would have protected that interest to

0:37:52.880 --> 0:37:55.160
<v Speaker 1>the point where it would have been no way that

0:37:55.160 --> 0:37:57.360
<v Speaker 1>that would have happened. And this is the when I

0:37:57.440 --> 0:38:00.879
<v Speaker 1>seen your posts. This was why it moved me so much,

0:38:00.880 --> 0:38:04.040
<v Speaker 1>because these brothers need help to understand that they have

0:38:04.160 --> 0:38:07.200
<v Speaker 1>financial power. They could help, they could fight. Now. I

0:38:07.239 --> 0:38:09.600
<v Speaker 1>don't know what they did or didn't do, but I

0:38:09.640 --> 0:38:13.360
<v Speaker 1>know these steps that needs to happen immediately. The first

0:38:13.360 --> 0:38:16.760
<v Speaker 1>thing I did also was I hired it a private investigator,

0:38:17.480 --> 0:38:21.160
<v Speaker 1>a private investigator to investigate everyone around me. I told

0:38:21.200 --> 0:38:26.319
<v Speaker 1>all my people, we're investigating everyone next to us, so

0:38:26.360 --> 0:38:29.640
<v Speaker 1>if you have a problem, you're gonna get caught. If

0:38:29.680 --> 0:38:33.040
<v Speaker 1>and again, it kind of shakes up everything. But guess

0:38:33.040 --> 0:38:35.799
<v Speaker 1>what what would you pay for my especially my son,

0:38:35.880 --> 0:38:37.640
<v Speaker 1>or what would you pay for to know all your

0:38:37.680 --> 0:38:40.440
<v Speaker 1>people is good? Because that's what I got, whatever I

0:38:40.440 --> 0:38:42.840
<v Speaker 1>had to whatever. I had found two people in this

0:38:42.960 --> 0:38:46.040
<v Speaker 1>whole investigation that was no good, but they weren't cooperating

0:38:46.040 --> 0:38:49.279
<v Speaker 1>against me. They was cooperating with other people in other

0:38:49.360 --> 0:38:52.439
<v Speaker 1>cases against other people. So two people out of maybe

0:38:52.480 --> 0:38:56.200
<v Speaker 1>about sixties and seventy people that we investigated was no good.

0:38:56.239 --> 0:38:59.240
<v Speaker 1>Everyone else came up clean. So that's peace of mind.

0:38:59.320 --> 0:39:01.760
<v Speaker 1>That's first in this former They need to know who's

0:39:01.800 --> 0:39:04.920
<v Speaker 1>not working with like who's o operating, who's not, and

0:39:04.960 --> 0:39:06.960
<v Speaker 1>those two people. As soon as I found out that

0:39:07.040 --> 0:39:09.719
<v Speaker 1>was going on, even though it wasn't justast me, I

0:39:09.840 --> 0:39:13.879
<v Speaker 1>never talked to him again, no more interaction with him. Right,

0:39:14.040 --> 0:39:17.120
<v Speaker 1>it was over. That's it. And then the next part

0:39:17.400 --> 0:39:21.320
<v Speaker 1>that I did that was very important to the trial

0:39:21.480 --> 0:39:28.400
<v Speaker 1>was a jury selector. And again I learned this on

0:39:28.480 --> 0:39:31.320
<v Speaker 1>the fly. I didn't know it going in. This is

0:39:31.400 --> 0:39:34.960
<v Speaker 1>all conversation with my loyalge Germans Shop yo um. And

0:39:35.000 --> 0:39:37.640
<v Speaker 1>again when I talked to him, he was like, we

0:39:37.719 --> 0:39:40.000
<v Speaker 1>probably need to get this jury selected. And I was

0:39:40.040 --> 0:39:43.200
<v Speaker 1>like Okay, I think I know someone. His name is

0:39:43.280 --> 0:39:46.760
<v Speaker 1>Josh Steuben. He's still in business. He's absolutely the best.

0:39:47.560 --> 0:39:49.400
<v Speaker 1>You need to know. Like, I didn't know none of

0:39:49.400 --> 0:39:51.800
<v Speaker 1>this about how you. I knew there was a process

0:39:51.840 --> 0:39:55.359
<v Speaker 1>of picking juris, right, but I didn't know how deep

0:39:55.400 --> 0:39:59.480
<v Speaker 1>you could go into actually questioning jurys. He made questionnaires

0:39:59.480 --> 0:40:03.359
<v Speaker 1>that they had and so imagine at the time if

0:40:03.360 --> 0:40:08.799
<v Speaker 1>I had a jury's juris that potentially was fifty cent fans. Right,

0:40:09.040 --> 0:40:11.320
<v Speaker 1>This is one of the biggest things when you're celebrity

0:40:11.360 --> 0:40:12.920
<v Speaker 1>now they need to do the same thing. What if

0:40:12.920 --> 0:40:17.880
<v Speaker 1>they got juries on their jury that don't like them,

0:40:17.880 --> 0:40:21.680
<v Speaker 1>you have to eliminate them people because because I heard

0:40:21.680 --> 0:40:25.480
<v Speaker 1>them saying something about why and Lucci or something, and

0:40:25.520 --> 0:40:28.120
<v Speaker 1>they're beefing with them, and then something with Little Wayne.

0:40:28.719 --> 0:40:31.360
<v Speaker 1>So if they have people who are like supporters of

0:40:31.400 --> 0:40:34.040
<v Speaker 1>those individuals, those people are not even really there to

0:40:34.120 --> 0:40:36.279
<v Speaker 1>listen to facts. They're just waiting for the time to

0:40:36.400 --> 0:40:40.560
<v Speaker 1>say you did it exactly. That was the biggest one

0:40:40.560 --> 0:40:43.399
<v Speaker 1>of these. These are like the reasons when I when

0:40:43.480 --> 0:40:45.839
<v Speaker 1>in hindsight, why we was able to do what we

0:40:45.880 --> 0:40:48.839
<v Speaker 1>didn't win, It was all of these factors there's more

0:40:48.920 --> 0:40:51.040
<v Speaker 1>to it. I'm gonna go through, but these were some

0:40:51.080 --> 0:40:56.480
<v Speaker 1>of the main ones. Probably investigatives. Investigate the entire circumference

0:40:56.520 --> 0:41:00.279
<v Speaker 1>of your circle. Everybody, I don't care, everybody gets checked out.

0:41:00.920 --> 0:41:03.200
<v Speaker 1>They need to do that in the movement. We need

0:41:03.200 --> 0:41:09.439
<v Speaker 1>to do that in the movement and tell pro that's

0:41:09.520 --> 0:41:13.600
<v Speaker 1>just black folks who are successful in general need to

0:41:13.640 --> 0:41:17.000
<v Speaker 1>take on that approach to check it everybody around you.

0:41:17.320 --> 0:41:19.200
<v Speaker 1>Do you know what I want to say before you,

0:41:19.920 --> 0:41:22.920
<v Speaker 1>I was interviewing my man Tone for Queens, and Tone

0:41:23.000 --> 0:41:25.239
<v Speaker 1>said the same exact thing that you said. He said

0:41:25.280 --> 0:41:27.880
<v Speaker 1>with him and his co defend that got locked up

0:41:28.480 --> 0:41:31.400
<v Speaker 1>because they were so business minded and they had turned

0:41:31.840 --> 0:41:35.200
<v Speaker 1>a lot of their resources into property. They owned a

0:41:35.280 --> 0:41:39.320
<v Speaker 1>whole lot of stuff in South Jamaica, a lot of laundry,

0:41:39.360 --> 0:41:41.719
<v Speaker 1>mass and all that that. They said that they were

0:41:41.760 --> 0:41:45.080
<v Speaker 1>more of a threat than the more notorious people because

0:41:45.080 --> 0:41:48.680
<v Speaker 1>they were legitimizing their businesses. So he said the main

0:41:48.760 --> 0:41:51.520
<v Speaker 1>reason that they wanted them off the streets because they

0:41:51.600 --> 0:41:53.399
<v Speaker 1>knew that they were leaving the game, and they were

0:41:53.440 --> 0:41:55.960
<v Speaker 1>smart enough and they were making that money and turn

0:41:56.040 --> 0:41:58.680
<v Speaker 1>it into something that was legitimized. So they really had

0:41:58.680 --> 0:42:00.239
<v Speaker 1>it out for them more than they had it out

0:42:00.239 --> 0:42:04.680
<v Speaker 1>for everybody else. I'm telling you what the I'll go

0:42:04.840 --> 0:42:06.840
<v Speaker 1>through all the the office they made me because they

0:42:06.920 --> 0:42:09.880
<v Speaker 1>broke all federal guidelines to make me my brother office

0:42:10.160 --> 0:42:12.560
<v Speaker 1>to get to to look just so we would cooperate

0:42:12.600 --> 0:42:15.960
<v Speaker 1>and tell and I would put a thousand people up

0:42:16.040 --> 0:42:18.719
<v Speaker 1>on that same situation. I'm gonna tell you, probably nine

0:42:19.239 --> 0:42:22.920
<v Speaker 1>ninety nine will take that offer because we were facing

0:42:22.960 --> 0:42:26.239
<v Speaker 1>twenty years. We had offers for no jail time, just probation.

0:42:26.440 --> 0:42:29.759
<v Speaker 1>But we had to tell just my lawyers was like, Chris,

0:42:29.920 --> 0:42:31.719
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what to tell you. I don't he said,

0:42:31.719 --> 0:42:35.800
<v Speaker 1>he doesn't work with anyone that is cooperating with the government.

0:42:35.880 --> 0:42:38.160
<v Speaker 1>Chark Dell would not take any client that would work

0:42:38.239 --> 0:42:41.200
<v Speaker 1>with the government, so he said, but these offers are unbelievable.

0:42:41.239 --> 0:42:43.880
<v Speaker 1>I can't guarantee twelve people are gonna find you innocent.

0:42:44.480 --> 0:42:47.560
<v Speaker 1>He said that, you know, it was unbelievable. And uh,

0:42:48.120 --> 0:42:50.000
<v Speaker 1>if you was to talk to Earth, Earth may not

0:42:50.080 --> 0:42:53.719
<v Speaker 1>know all these details because Earth was really a difference.

0:42:54.280 --> 0:42:56.759
<v Speaker 1>He wasn't involved with the lawyers. I was there from

0:42:56.800 --> 0:42:59.480
<v Speaker 1>the first day last day. My lawyers said, Christian, make

0:42:59.520 --> 0:43:02.480
<v Speaker 1>the snowball I throw. So what that meant was I

0:43:02.520 --> 0:43:05.359
<v Speaker 1>had to give them all the information of what was

0:43:05.400 --> 0:43:07.680
<v Speaker 1>really going on in our lives and how we really

0:43:07.680 --> 0:43:10.279
<v Speaker 1>worked with people and how we did business so he

0:43:10.320 --> 0:43:13.280
<v Speaker 1>could protect us from a legal standpoint. That's the next

0:43:13.280 --> 0:43:15.680
<v Speaker 1>part to what I'm getting to is these guys have

0:43:15.840 --> 0:43:19.120
<v Speaker 1>to trust their attorney to talk to them openly, truthfully,

0:43:19.840 --> 0:43:22.279
<v Speaker 1>because they're the only ones that could save them right now,

0:43:23.520 --> 0:43:27.240
<v Speaker 1>right because the government's gonna twist everything. Like their biggest problem,

0:43:27.440 --> 0:43:32.200
<v Speaker 1>and I'm sure they're having that same situation is our language.

0:43:33.040 --> 0:43:37.480
<v Speaker 1>They don't understand our cultures language, They didn't understand how

0:43:37.520 --> 0:43:39.960
<v Speaker 1>we spoke. So back then there was sky tell pages

0:43:40.360 --> 0:43:43.040
<v Speaker 1>and we was texting, So I have over sixty thousands

0:43:43.080 --> 0:43:45.759
<v Speaker 1>sky tell page messages that I had to go through

0:43:45.800 --> 0:43:49.120
<v Speaker 1>to see what we were saying. And they didn't know

0:43:49.160 --> 0:43:52.120
<v Speaker 1>how to translate what we were saying, so they was

0:43:52.280 --> 0:43:54.719
<v Speaker 1>looking at it from a whole different perspective than then.

0:43:54.719 --> 0:43:57.479
<v Speaker 1>When I told my lawyer, he crushed them right away

0:43:57.520 --> 0:43:59.520
<v Speaker 1>because they was like, that's so wrong. This is what

0:43:59.640 --> 0:44:02.359
<v Speaker 1>this really meant. Even when one day it was a

0:44:02.440 --> 0:44:06.080
<v Speaker 1>simple post like telling prem about you know, he asked

0:44:06.080 --> 0:44:09.319
<v Speaker 1>me to get the five hundred, talking about the Mercedes beings, right,

0:44:09.760 --> 0:44:13.320
<v Speaker 1>simple as that. And then we were talking about crystal crystal.

0:44:13.480 --> 0:44:16.879
<v Speaker 1>My daughter, I have to get crystal crystals, and they're

0:44:16.920 --> 0:44:20.280
<v Speaker 1>thinking it's crystal to drink with celebrating because this happened

0:44:20.320 --> 0:44:23.120
<v Speaker 1>over here, this murder took place, and I'm like, what

0:44:23.200 --> 0:44:25.560
<v Speaker 1>the hell are they talking about? And that's how they

0:44:25.680 --> 0:44:28.520
<v Speaker 1>portrayed it. Now, if you can't um, go back and

0:44:28.560 --> 0:44:32.080
<v Speaker 1>see how you was talking and understand that language, you

0:44:32.120 --> 0:44:35.640
<v Speaker 1>can't protect yourself from that either. See, and that was

0:44:35.680 --> 0:44:38.040
<v Speaker 1>a big deal. That's why they take in. That's why

0:44:37.800 --> 0:44:43.560
<v Speaker 1>they cannot survive without someone telling you knowed, the success

0:44:43.600 --> 0:44:46.279
<v Speaker 1>is because someone is telling and they're getting this information.

0:44:46.360 --> 0:44:49.720
<v Speaker 1>They don't know what we do. They have no clue.

0:44:49.719 --> 0:44:51.319
<v Speaker 1>That's what I'm trying to and that's what I'm trying

0:44:51.320 --> 0:44:55.320
<v Speaker 1>to explain to you. And and people have this thing that, oh,

0:44:55.440 --> 0:44:58.520
<v Speaker 1>you want to protect street culture and you want to

0:44:58.520 --> 0:45:01.160
<v Speaker 1>protect you know, the thugs and all this, and in

0:45:01.800 --> 0:45:05.680
<v Speaker 1>this case, right there, innocent people. Right, they're innocent people

0:45:05.719 --> 0:45:09.360
<v Speaker 1>who are in an organization. And because someone is weak

0:45:10.200 --> 0:45:13.000
<v Speaker 1>and scared to do it with anything, they will make

0:45:13.120 --> 0:45:17.000
<v Speaker 1>up stories. They will tell fabrications. They will do anything

0:45:17.320 --> 0:45:20.040
<v Speaker 1>to get that probation and that no jail time because

0:45:20.040 --> 0:45:22.920
<v Speaker 1>somebody says you're facing twenty years. So this is what

0:45:22.960 --> 0:45:25.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to talk about. A weak individual. This is

0:45:25.600 --> 0:45:27.760
<v Speaker 1>what I'm talking about when I talk about snitches and rats.

0:45:27.760 --> 0:45:31.400
<v Speaker 1>When you running legitimate organization and you have people surrounded

0:45:31.440 --> 0:45:33.360
<v Speaker 1>by you that's doing the right thing, and you have

0:45:33.480 --> 0:45:36.880
<v Speaker 1>these weak individuals who who who've been side by side

0:45:36.880 --> 0:45:38.719
<v Speaker 1>and know what you've been doing and being with you

0:45:38.760 --> 0:45:41.359
<v Speaker 1>every day and willing to sell you out because they

0:45:41.360 --> 0:45:44.400
<v Speaker 1>don't want to deal with anything. Those individuals do not

0:45:44.520 --> 0:45:47.080
<v Speaker 1>deserve any type of beliefs you. I don't want those

0:45:47.080 --> 0:45:49.319
<v Speaker 1>type people around me. I don't want to celebrate them.

0:45:49.440 --> 0:45:52.640
<v Speaker 1>They're not doing a good deed. They're not a good citizen,

0:45:53.120 --> 0:45:57.440
<v Speaker 1>they're not individual my soide that resonates for me so

0:45:57.440 --> 0:46:01.000
<v Speaker 1>so much because our case was it up because of

0:46:01.000 --> 0:46:04.480
<v Speaker 1>a guy that I hired who was homeless, that I taught,

0:46:04.560 --> 0:46:06.320
<v Speaker 1>and I said, I'll give him an opportunity. He was

0:46:06.360 --> 0:46:08.359
<v Speaker 1>working for our street team. I would see them there.

0:46:08.680 --> 0:46:11.040
<v Speaker 1>The first person is in the office was me. He

0:46:11.120 --> 0:46:14.200
<v Speaker 1>was there, last person leaving was me. He was there.

0:46:14.239 --> 0:46:16.640
<v Speaker 1>And I said, damn, he's a hard worker. Then one

0:46:16.680 --> 0:46:19.120
<v Speaker 1>day I come in my office, opened my bottom drawing.

0:46:19.160 --> 0:46:21.600
<v Speaker 1>I see clothes in it, so I go crazy. I

0:46:21.680 --> 0:46:24.879
<v Speaker 1>called Dex, my my street team guy, and I was like, Dex,

0:46:24.920 --> 0:46:28.120
<v Speaker 1>who the hell is putting close in my office? And

0:46:28.160 --> 0:46:31.200
<v Speaker 1>we find out it's this guy named Darnelle Nichols. He

0:46:31.320 --> 0:46:33.800
<v Speaker 1>was homeless. He's telling me he has no money. He's homeless.

0:46:33.800 --> 0:46:36.640
<v Speaker 1>He's working as an internal street team and he needs money,

0:46:36.680 --> 0:46:39.560
<v Speaker 1>but he wants to be part of murdering. I said, listen,

0:46:39.600 --> 0:46:41.640
<v Speaker 1>I can't just give I don't just do that. You

0:46:41.680 --> 0:46:44.080
<v Speaker 1>can't live here. And I give him a job and

0:46:44.120 --> 0:46:47.240
<v Speaker 1>I teach him how to actually do royalties and publishing,

0:46:47.680 --> 0:46:49.440
<v Speaker 1>and I said, yo, yoll help me with all the

0:46:49.520 --> 0:46:52.320
<v Speaker 1>royalties and publishing side. Because he was good on the computer,

0:46:52.400 --> 0:46:55.319
<v Speaker 1>put in his spreadsheets everything, and that's what he did.

0:46:56.000 --> 0:46:59.120
<v Speaker 1>He started stealing uh the scot Tell pages and you

0:46:59.160 --> 0:47:01.160
<v Speaker 1>remember they would get to me legally turned on and

0:47:01.200 --> 0:47:03.239
<v Speaker 1>so you didn't have to pay the monthly feet and

0:47:03.280 --> 0:47:05.200
<v Speaker 1>he because he was a smart computer guy, that's what

0:47:05.320 --> 0:47:07.200
<v Speaker 1>he was doing. He gets caught with that by the

0:47:07.239 --> 0:47:09.799
<v Speaker 1>feeds and then gives up the story. Saying murder Rink

0:47:09.920 --> 0:47:11.840
<v Speaker 1>was doing all this. Chris is this or is that?

0:47:12.200 --> 0:47:17.640
<v Speaker 1>And that's basically that's basically how the whole case started. Um.

0:47:18.200 --> 0:47:21.880
<v Speaker 1>You know, in grand jury testimony, they applauded him for

0:47:21.960 --> 0:47:24.120
<v Speaker 1>coming forward. But here's a guy that just was trying

0:47:24.120 --> 0:47:27.120
<v Speaker 1>to save his ass to give up a story about

0:47:27.200 --> 0:47:28.960
<v Speaker 1>murder Rink. He would talking about all the cash that

0:47:29.040 --> 0:47:31.200
<v Speaker 1>came in. But I was a big gambling back then.

0:47:31.320 --> 0:47:33.439
<v Speaker 1>I'm still a gambling but not like I used to be.

0:47:33.800 --> 0:47:36.200
<v Speaker 1>They took my gambling book and seeing I was gambling

0:47:36.280 --> 0:47:39.600
<v Speaker 1>one point eight million dollars a week. This is how

0:47:39.680 --> 0:47:42.359
<v Speaker 1>much money I was making with my brother and Jock,

0:47:42.400 --> 0:47:43.960
<v Speaker 1>because it wasn't just me, it was all three of

0:47:44.000 --> 0:47:47.400
<v Speaker 1>us betting one sports. And when they've seen that that,

0:47:47.680 --> 0:47:50.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, who's gonna money under a million dollars and

0:47:50.800 --> 0:47:53.000
<v Speaker 1>gamble one point eight in a week? It just the

0:47:53.040 --> 0:47:56.239
<v Speaker 1>case didn't make any sense. That's how frivolous it was.

0:47:56.320 --> 0:47:58.560
<v Speaker 1>But the course of us over fourteen million dollars to

0:47:58.600 --> 0:48:03.400
<v Speaker 1>protect our freedom, oh my god, oh yeah to me,

0:48:03.680 --> 0:48:06.960
<v Speaker 1>my my attorney. The reason I picked General Sharp Girl.

0:48:07.040 --> 0:48:10.400
<v Speaker 1>I went to every high attorney in New York City,

0:48:10.480 --> 0:48:13.040
<v Speaker 1>every one of them. I walk in the office, and

0:48:13.080 --> 0:48:16.120
<v Speaker 1>what's the first thing they tell me? The retainer. I'm like,

0:48:16.520 --> 0:48:18.640
<v Speaker 1>if I walk in your office, I'm not worried about

0:48:18.640 --> 0:48:20.719
<v Speaker 1>a retainer. I'm worried about how are you going to

0:48:20.800 --> 0:48:24.359
<v Speaker 1>protect me? Sel never talked money. Did I know he's

0:48:24.400 --> 0:48:27.840
<v Speaker 1>gonna be a three million dollar retainer? Yes, But he

0:48:28.040 --> 0:48:31.319
<v Speaker 1>never talked money. He talked about how he could work

0:48:31.400 --> 0:48:34.120
<v Speaker 1>for me, his relationships in the courtroom. He gave me

0:48:34.160 --> 0:48:36.680
<v Speaker 1>all his like insight and knowledge. And I said, as

0:48:36.719 --> 0:48:41.000
<v Speaker 1>soon as I met him, I'm messing with him. No.

0:48:41.239 --> 0:48:43.399
<v Speaker 1>I went to the best black man according to what

0:48:43.440 --> 0:48:46.759
<v Speaker 1>they told me, which was Ted Wells, and he was

0:48:47.040 --> 0:48:51.279
<v Speaker 1>right away sharp suit walking. He's like, yeah, he you

0:48:51.320 --> 0:48:53.200
<v Speaker 1>know the swag. And he's telling me three million not

0:48:53.320 --> 0:48:58.920
<v Speaker 1>a retainer. But I'm like, can we talk about Yeah, Like,

0:48:59.080 --> 0:49:01.399
<v Speaker 1>if I'm in your office, I'm not worried about three million.

0:49:01.440 --> 0:49:04.440
<v Speaker 1>I have that. And that was we went over that.

0:49:04.440 --> 0:49:08.359
<v Speaker 1>That was just the start. Just understand and before we

0:49:08.400 --> 0:49:12.200
<v Speaker 1>got to him, before we got to him and Earth

0:49:12.239 --> 0:49:17.360
<v Speaker 1>took General left court, same pertainer before we got to him. Uh,

0:49:17.719 --> 0:49:20.359
<v Speaker 1>we had hired this firm because that we I didn't

0:49:20.440 --> 0:49:24.040
<v Speaker 1>realize again my ignorance was I was under investigation. I

0:49:24.080 --> 0:49:26.600
<v Speaker 1>didn't know. I had to get attorneys and everything to

0:49:26.719 --> 0:49:30.600
<v Speaker 1>protect myself. And I'm only under investigation, which means technically

0:49:30.640 --> 0:49:33.399
<v Speaker 1>they're just looking at to see if there's something going

0:49:33.480 --> 0:49:37.000
<v Speaker 1>on or whatever. And basically I was like okay, and

0:49:37.000 --> 0:49:39.799
<v Speaker 1>I didn't I was paying this high price attorney or

0:49:39.840 --> 0:49:43.640
<v Speaker 1>this law firm, K Shoulder, K Shoulder, I mean every month,

0:49:43.719 --> 0:49:47.120
<v Speaker 1>I mean hundreds and hundreds of thousands of dollars. They

0:49:47.320 --> 0:49:50.920
<v Speaker 1>received millions before we even got to a real attorney.

0:49:52.200 --> 0:49:55.359
<v Speaker 1>So again, these guys have a lot to make sure

0:49:55.440 --> 0:49:58.919
<v Speaker 1>they they're thinking about. And you know, when I seen

0:49:59.000 --> 0:50:02.279
<v Speaker 1>their lawyer put in to get them out of um

0:50:02.400 --> 0:50:07.279
<v Speaker 1>the jail for a bond, because condition, as soon as

0:50:07.280 --> 0:50:12.600
<v Speaker 1>I've seen it, I'm like, he's a clown that jail.

0:50:12.920 --> 0:50:17.480
<v Speaker 1>But the bottom the country. A lot of times, these

0:50:17.640 --> 0:50:19.920
<v Speaker 1>like he said, these lawyers that bleed you right now,

0:50:20.520 --> 0:50:23.200
<v Speaker 1>they get retaining fees every time they go to the court.

0:50:23.200 --> 0:50:26.600
<v Speaker 1>They need a certain amount of money. They go that

0:50:26.680 --> 0:50:28.359
<v Speaker 1>they know that you're not gonna get. They're not gonna

0:50:28.360 --> 0:50:30.120
<v Speaker 1>sit there and say listen more thing like you're not

0:50:30.120 --> 0:50:32.160
<v Speaker 1>gonna get a bond on this. But let's put together

0:50:32.239 --> 0:50:35.880
<v Speaker 1>some ship that's really giving you an opportunity to say, Okay,

0:50:35.880 --> 0:50:38.480
<v Speaker 1>this bond, this, this request right here really makes sense.

0:50:38.680 --> 0:50:40.200
<v Speaker 1>So now you get you trying to go for a

0:50:40.239 --> 0:50:43.239
<v Speaker 1>bond sixty times and you're wearing out. You're wearing out

0:50:43.280 --> 0:50:44.840
<v Speaker 1>this ship because now the jail is like you're just

0:50:44.840 --> 0:50:49.040
<v Speaker 1>throwing up anything to say some whereas you come to them. Okay, listen,

0:50:49.360 --> 0:50:52.360
<v Speaker 1>based on this evidence, based on this, boom boom boom,

0:50:52.160 --> 0:50:54.600
<v Speaker 1>my client is this, My client has this, he has

0:50:54.680 --> 0:50:57.959
<v Speaker 1>family as this, he's stationary, all these things, we're gonna

0:50:58.000 --> 0:51:00.000
<v Speaker 1>ask for bond, We're gonna ask he be in his home.

0:51:00.320 --> 0:51:03.319
<v Speaker 1>That's what real lawyers do. They don't just randomly throw

0:51:03.360 --> 0:51:05.600
<v Speaker 1>out these requests. But these people want to be able

0:51:05.640 --> 0:51:07.680
<v Speaker 1>to go to court and get pay to go to court.

0:51:07.880 --> 0:51:09.719
<v Speaker 1>But let me just say this, and we've we've got

0:51:09.760 --> 0:51:15.000
<v Speaker 1>we have the uh, the advocates and family of Julius

0:51:15.120 --> 0:51:19.000
<v Speaker 1>Jones who was on death row um not long ago,

0:51:19.560 --> 0:51:22.200
<v Speaker 1>and we all got together organized and fight to get

0:51:22.280 --> 0:51:25.399
<v Speaker 1>him off death row. Uh. He's his family is coming

0:51:25.480 --> 0:51:28.840
<v Speaker 1>up next and so we've got to cut our time.

0:51:29.360 --> 0:51:32.080
<v Speaker 1>But it's two things I want to say one is

0:51:32.200 --> 0:51:37.120
<v Speaker 1>that also the way the media tells the story about

0:51:37.200 --> 0:51:41.279
<v Speaker 1>what happened in court can be excused. So it could

0:51:41.280 --> 0:51:43.960
<v Speaker 1>have been a bunch of motions that were filed and

0:51:44.040 --> 0:51:45.920
<v Speaker 1>one of them happened. What I'm trying to tell you

0:51:45.960 --> 0:51:48.800
<v Speaker 1>is that the time that the motion time, it doesn't

0:51:48.800 --> 0:51:52.319
<v Speaker 1>make sense because it takes you time to really come

0:51:52.440 --> 0:51:56.160
<v Speaker 1>up with You get from the family. You want to

0:51:56.239 --> 0:51:58.719
<v Speaker 1>get heart felt letters from the daughter. You want to

0:51:58.760 --> 0:52:01.880
<v Speaker 1>put together a real thing that when you presented that

0:52:01.960 --> 0:52:03.799
<v Speaker 1>they're looking at and say, Okay, this person is not

0:52:03.880 --> 0:52:07.160
<v Speaker 1>really a threat at this point, even though we were

0:52:07.200 --> 0:52:08.960
<v Speaker 1>gonna go to trial, but we want he can be

0:52:08.960 --> 0:52:11.239
<v Speaker 1>in his home, he can be confined to his home.

0:52:11.560 --> 0:52:14.000
<v Speaker 1>You want to put together the best possible thing that

0:52:14.080 --> 0:52:18.600
<v Speaker 1>you can. And and again, these guys are very big celebrities.

0:52:18.719 --> 0:52:21.480
<v Speaker 1>I don't know them personally. I know you know some

0:52:21.560 --> 0:52:23.919
<v Speaker 1>people inside of them, but they're very big celebrities. They're

0:52:23.920 --> 0:52:26.960
<v Speaker 1>not a flight risk. They they you know, that's what

0:52:27.000 --> 0:52:29.600
<v Speaker 1>the government or the state is concerned about why they

0:52:29.600 --> 0:52:32.560
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't release them. They're not leaving. They're gonna show up

0:52:32.560 --> 0:52:35.960
<v Speaker 1>in court and face their the music, and then you

0:52:36.000 --> 0:52:38.239
<v Speaker 1>know they don't want them to actually make money. That's

0:52:38.320 --> 0:52:40.560
<v Speaker 1>the other part, because they know with money, you could

0:52:40.560 --> 0:52:43.080
<v Speaker 1>protect yourself, you could fight. You know, one of the

0:52:43.160 --> 0:52:45.920
<v Speaker 1>things they did with us is they made Universal our partner,

0:52:46.000 --> 0:52:49.799
<v Speaker 1>cooperate with them, and Universal cooperating with the government and

0:52:49.880 --> 0:52:52.600
<v Speaker 1>stop paying us. So at the end of that trial,

0:52:52.680 --> 0:52:54.960
<v Speaker 1>I ran out of money. I have no problem telling

0:52:55.000 --> 0:52:58.160
<v Speaker 1>you I ran out of money. Earth had who made

0:52:58.239 --> 0:53:00.360
<v Speaker 1>a lot more money than me, and the music career

0:53:00.440 --> 0:53:05.000
<v Speaker 1>right he um finished off for me. But they Universe

0:53:05.000 --> 0:53:09.200
<v Speaker 1>Will absolutely stopped paying us illegally because they knew we

0:53:09.239 --> 0:53:13.440
<v Speaker 1>can't fight two fights, right, we can't fight that guerrilla

0:53:13.600 --> 0:53:15.760
<v Speaker 1>and this went on the same at the same time.

0:53:15.840 --> 0:53:19.080
<v Speaker 1>So they you know, they made the sign a contract

0:53:19.120 --> 0:53:21.319
<v Speaker 1>in the middle of our trial that if we go

0:53:21.440 --> 0:53:23.920
<v Speaker 1>to jail. This is how we actually got them to

0:53:23.920 --> 0:53:26.360
<v Speaker 1>pay us the money, they would do us. If we

0:53:26.400 --> 0:53:30.719
<v Speaker 1>go to jail, they own a hundred percent of murdering. Wow, yeah,

0:53:30.719 --> 0:53:33.080
<v Speaker 1>it was. It was crazy, but we needed the money

0:53:33.160 --> 0:53:36.160
<v Speaker 1>and we did it god willing, and we won. So

0:53:36.280 --> 0:53:38.720
<v Speaker 1>we ended up owning the murder in a hundred percent.

0:53:39.280 --> 0:53:41.480
<v Speaker 1>And then when we come back, they don't sign us back.

0:53:41.600 --> 0:53:43.480
<v Speaker 1>They didn't want to give us a deal. Took us

0:53:43.480 --> 0:53:45.560
<v Speaker 1>over two years to get back to the music business.

0:53:47.080 --> 0:53:51.759
<v Speaker 1>People don't interact that happened. Um inside of that. You know,

0:53:51.800 --> 0:53:54.520
<v Speaker 1>the documentary is coming out, so it's gonna be pretty strong,

0:53:54.840 --> 0:53:58.480
<v Speaker 1>uh into this mouthing on b T five part series. Well,

0:53:58.600 --> 0:54:00.719
<v Speaker 1>I just want to say that Chris, you one of

0:54:00.760 --> 0:54:04.920
<v Speaker 1>the most stand up individuals I know, you know, one

0:54:04.960 --> 0:54:07.400
<v Speaker 1>of the most respected dudes anywhere you go. There's a

0:54:07.480 --> 0:54:10.600
<v Speaker 1>level of respect that you receiven is because you've always

0:54:10.600 --> 0:54:13.799
<v Speaker 1>carried yourself with on it and I respect that, you know.

0:54:13.920 --> 0:54:16.560
<v Speaker 1>And God, God did what you're supposed to do for you, man,

0:54:16.840 --> 0:54:19.719
<v Speaker 1>and that's why you're here today. I just want you

0:54:19.760 --> 0:54:22.160
<v Speaker 1>to you know, before you leave. Man. A lot of

0:54:22.160 --> 0:54:25.160
<v Speaker 1>these artists, you know, again caught up in this reco

0:54:25.480 --> 0:54:29.080
<v Speaker 1>especially as these young kids a get snatched stuff. They're

0:54:29.120 --> 0:54:31.400
<v Speaker 1>on the internet, they're doing all these things. Do you

0:54:31.480 --> 0:54:34.360
<v Speaker 1>have any advice, give some advice for these young boys,

0:54:34.400 --> 0:54:37.560
<v Speaker 1>because the rico is just a new it's a new thing.

0:54:37.600 --> 0:54:39.919
<v Speaker 1>Help you get a reco you get a rico charge?

0:54:40.920 --> 0:54:43.880
<v Speaker 1>What advice when you get these young artists that's on

0:54:43.880 --> 0:54:46.120
<v Speaker 1>the internet and they you know, doing a lot, what

0:54:46.160 --> 0:54:49.680
<v Speaker 1>would you say the dollar question my son, because it's

0:54:49.719 --> 0:54:52.680
<v Speaker 1>so hard because it's it's like keeping it real, and

0:54:52.760 --> 0:54:54.959
<v Speaker 1>then what's that expression from keeping the real goes from

0:54:55.200 --> 0:54:58.799
<v Speaker 1>see when you're in a position of financial position where

0:54:58.840 --> 0:55:02.600
<v Speaker 1>you actually could change life for your family's life financially,

0:55:02.680 --> 0:55:06.040
<v Speaker 1>to empower him with that ability from the career you

0:55:06.160 --> 0:55:08.880
<v Speaker 1>chose from this music, you have to be very conscious

0:55:08.920 --> 0:55:12.040
<v Speaker 1>that it's not just yourself. So you know, you've got

0:55:12.040 --> 0:55:14.400
<v Speaker 1>to be conscious that this is what you're really risking

0:55:14.440 --> 0:55:17.880
<v Speaker 1>when you do anything outside of the proper lifestyle you

0:55:17.880 --> 0:55:20.840
<v Speaker 1>should be living. You know, you have to understand that.

0:55:20.920 --> 0:55:23.640
<v Speaker 1>You know, the older we get, the less we want

0:55:23.640 --> 0:55:26.279
<v Speaker 1>to be involved with anything. You know, when we're young,

0:55:26.960 --> 0:55:29.480
<v Speaker 1>we're not as in that same mindset. You know. I

0:55:29.520 --> 0:55:31.560
<v Speaker 1>tell everyone when I got over and put the gun

0:55:31.600 --> 0:55:33.920
<v Speaker 1>down and I was, I would be you know, I

0:55:33.960 --> 0:55:37.560
<v Speaker 1>would remember you know Russell Russell Simmons always telling us

0:55:37.560 --> 0:55:40.520
<v Speaker 1>stop to be stop this stop that I understand why

0:55:40.600 --> 0:55:44.640
<v Speaker 1>he was doing it because in in business, street business

0:55:44.880 --> 0:55:47.200
<v Speaker 1>or well music, I want to do a class action

0:55:47.239 --> 0:55:50.400
<v Speaker 1>lawsuits against him, but that's another story. But with business,

0:55:50.760 --> 0:55:54.120
<v Speaker 1>I mean with street stuff, any violence stops the business.

0:55:55.120 --> 0:55:57.560
<v Speaker 1>A body happens that they shut the whole block. Now

0:55:57.719 --> 0:56:02.120
<v Speaker 1>everything's gone, everything stopped. Every Body suffers when any violence happened.

0:56:02.120 --> 0:56:04.840
<v Speaker 1>So you have to understand that as a younger person,

0:56:04.880 --> 0:56:08.040
<v Speaker 1>which most don't, and that's why it's like the gift

0:56:08.080 --> 0:56:10.239
<v Speaker 1>in the courage. They just don't get it. But they

0:56:10.280 --> 0:56:13.680
<v Speaker 1>need to really be accountable for their actions, and then

0:56:13.680 --> 0:56:16.800
<v Speaker 1>they would make better decisions, especially if they knew the consequences,

0:56:16.920 --> 0:56:19.120
<v Speaker 1>because they might know what the the consequence but not think

0:56:19.160 --> 0:56:22.880
<v Speaker 1>about it well, and if they not felt it enough

0:56:22.920 --> 0:56:25.719
<v Speaker 1>to understand how real it is, right, because it's it's

0:56:25.760 --> 0:56:29.640
<v Speaker 1>just it's it's a lot of unhinged activity happening right now,

0:56:29.719 --> 0:56:32.840
<v Speaker 1>and we've got to go. I need to invite you back,

0:56:32.880 --> 0:56:35.120
<v Speaker 1>and I hope my son is okay with you that

0:56:35.239 --> 0:56:39.239
<v Speaker 1>we put together a panel to talk about lyrics and names.

0:56:39.600 --> 0:56:43.840
<v Speaker 1>Sure I remember when I mean, I I was you know. However,

0:56:43.840 --> 0:56:46.000
<v Speaker 1>it was long ago, twenty years ago when this was

0:56:46.040 --> 0:56:48.880
<v Speaker 1>happening to you. I was working with a bunch of

0:56:48.880 --> 0:56:52.759
<v Speaker 1>pastors and I remember sitting in a church and a

0:56:52.840 --> 0:56:55.360
<v Speaker 1>pastor was you guys were in the news. It was

0:56:55.400 --> 0:56:58.640
<v Speaker 1>a Sunday morning. Woke up, y'all are all over the

0:56:58.640 --> 0:57:01.680
<v Speaker 1>cover of the newspaper, and they were talking about the situation,

0:57:02.000 --> 0:57:05.560
<v Speaker 1>and the pastor said, if you call your company Murder Inc.

0:57:05.920 --> 0:57:09.800
<v Speaker 1>And your name is Dotty, and y'all are basically celebrating

0:57:10.280 --> 0:57:14.200
<v Speaker 1>the mob and the mafia, then what do you think

0:57:14.320 --> 0:57:16.880
<v Speaker 1>is gonna happen? Right? And obviously they're saying that we're

0:57:16.880 --> 0:57:19.400
<v Speaker 1>gonna Doug and I want I want us to talk

0:57:19.440 --> 0:57:21.320
<v Speaker 1>about and we can't do it today, but I really

0:57:21.360 --> 0:57:24.280
<v Speaker 1>want us to talk about what you think now that

0:57:24.440 --> 0:57:27.320
<v Speaker 1>you are older, would you make the same decisions? And

0:57:27.600 --> 0:57:29.800
<v Speaker 1>you know, what do you think about the lyrics and

0:57:29.880 --> 0:57:33.080
<v Speaker 1>also the titles that we call But you can't answer

0:57:33.120 --> 0:57:37.680
<v Speaker 1>it now go back. But that's a great question. And

0:57:37.760 --> 0:57:40.240
<v Speaker 1>I have the great answers for everything you're saying. They're like,

0:57:41.320 --> 0:57:44.800
<v Speaker 1>it's really strong. But again to the pastor, again he

0:57:44.800 --> 0:57:48.400
<v Speaker 1>should he should realize he shouldn't pass judge. Of course,

0:57:48.560 --> 0:57:51.320
<v Speaker 1>you know that's the that's number one. So when he says,

0:57:51.400 --> 0:57:53.760
<v Speaker 1>you know, when someone throws stones, you kind of look

0:57:53.800 --> 0:57:56.280
<v Speaker 1>at them, at them because they don't understand the culture.

0:57:56.320 --> 0:57:58.440
<v Speaker 1>They don't understand what we are. They don't understand who

0:57:58.520 --> 0:58:00.760
<v Speaker 1>I am as a man. To make the judge. They're

0:58:00.800 --> 0:58:03.880
<v Speaker 1>just reading what they're being said, and that's what you see.

0:58:04.280 --> 0:58:06.960
<v Speaker 1>That's right with the you know, with that jury selector.

0:58:07.000 --> 0:58:10.200
<v Speaker 1>Just to touch again and how important that is. Um,

0:58:10.240 --> 0:58:13.800
<v Speaker 1>we made sure that they couldn't see things, they didn't

0:58:13.800 --> 0:58:16.400
<v Speaker 1>have opinions of our music or anything like that, because

0:58:16.400 --> 0:58:19.280
<v Speaker 1>they might be that pastor and when he hears the information,

0:58:19.320 --> 0:58:22.640
<v Speaker 1>he may be biased and not really listen to the truth,

0:58:23.560 --> 0:58:26.360
<v Speaker 1>you know, And that's the problem. That's that is the

0:58:26.400 --> 0:58:29.520
<v Speaker 1>problem with social media. You know, they could see so

0:58:29.640 --> 0:58:33.160
<v Speaker 1>much today. Thank god it wasn't in that era, because man,

0:58:33.200 --> 0:58:36.120
<v Speaker 1>it would have been even harder to stop those jurors

0:58:36.120 --> 0:58:38.400
<v Speaker 1>to go home and not see it and hear it

0:58:38.440 --> 0:58:41.479
<v Speaker 1>and read it on the ongoing basis and who knows

0:58:41.520 --> 0:58:44.280
<v Speaker 1>what their opinions turned out to be. Well, we love

0:58:44.320 --> 0:58:51.040
<v Speaker 1>you so much and appreciate you know, let's let's let's

0:58:51.080 --> 0:58:54.200
<v Speaker 1>continue these conversations because the people want to be educated.

0:58:54.240 --> 0:58:56.480
<v Speaker 1>And that's what I posted. I just wanted to be

0:58:56.640 --> 0:58:59.480
<v Speaker 1>educated because I don't know. It's not my world and

0:58:59.480 --> 0:59:01.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm not people to try to act like I know

0:59:02.040 --> 0:59:05.440
<v Speaker 1>something I don't and I'm not ashamed to tell the

0:59:05.480 --> 0:59:08.400
<v Speaker 1>world that I don't know. And I thought so we

0:59:08.520 --> 0:59:10.760
<v Speaker 1>love you, We thank you, and we'll we'll be back

0:59:10.800 --> 0:59:14.200
<v Speaker 1>again with another conversation that gets a little bit deeper

0:59:14.200 --> 0:59:18.120
<v Speaker 1>about that judgment in our communities. Yeah, definitely, thank you,

0:59:18.320 --> 0:59:28.680
<v Speaker 1>all right, appreciate you. Appreciate. So you all know that

0:59:28.840 --> 0:59:31.919
<v Speaker 1>we try to keep up with our stories. We try

0:59:31.960 --> 0:59:34.800
<v Speaker 1>to be a place at street Politicians where my son

0:59:34.880 --> 0:59:37.120
<v Speaker 1>and I will you know, have a topic and come

0:59:37.160 --> 0:59:39.640
<v Speaker 1>back and talk about it and we follow up. We

0:59:39.680 --> 0:59:42.720
<v Speaker 1>try to make sure that we don't just sort of

0:59:42.840 --> 0:59:46.720
<v Speaker 1>leave things as a one off because there's a struggle,

0:59:46.840 --> 0:59:51.640
<v Speaker 1>there's a fight. There is a continued struggle for justice,

0:59:51.640 --> 0:59:56.480
<v Speaker 1>struggle for accountability, struggle for our communities, and uh, it

0:59:56.600 --> 1:00:00.280
<v Speaker 1>doesn't really do us any justice to talk about these

1:00:00.320 --> 1:00:02.720
<v Speaker 1>issues and not continue to work. And we try to

1:00:02.760 --> 1:00:05.680
<v Speaker 1>tell y'all this all the time that these fights that

1:00:05.760 --> 1:00:10.200
<v Speaker 1>were up against it requires everybody to keep your eyes

1:00:10.280 --> 1:00:13.120
<v Speaker 1>on it all the time, to remember to continue to

1:00:13.320 --> 1:00:17.200
<v Speaker 1>support if it's financially, if it's physically showing up at

1:00:17.200 --> 1:00:21.520
<v Speaker 1>a rally, it's not just the one off situation. November

1:00:21.560 --> 1:00:24.919
<v Speaker 1>eighteenth of two thousand and twenty one was a very

1:00:25.080 --> 1:00:31.520
<v Speaker 1>very serious and significant day um where Julius Jones was

1:00:31.600 --> 1:00:36.920
<v Speaker 1>set to be executed. And because of the work, the fight,

1:00:37.080 --> 1:00:41.320
<v Speaker 1>the struggle, and the demands of the people, his family

1:00:41.480 --> 1:00:46.720
<v Speaker 1>leading the charge and other organizers, we were all collectively

1:00:46.880 --> 1:00:51.200
<v Speaker 1>able to stop that execution. But there is still work

1:00:51.280 --> 1:00:54.920
<v Speaker 1>to be done because Julius wanted to be free and

1:00:54.960 --> 1:00:57.560
<v Speaker 1>he should be free. And you all out there who

1:00:57.560 --> 1:00:59.600
<v Speaker 1>are listening, you are a part of it. You are

1:00:59.680 --> 1:01:01.960
<v Speaker 1>part of the fight. And of course i'm you know,

1:01:02.040 --> 1:01:05.560
<v Speaker 1>sure you've heard family members and others thanking us all

1:01:05.600 --> 1:01:09.040
<v Speaker 1>for coming together. But the fight is not over. It

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<v Speaker 1>is not over because Julius is still sitting in a

1:01:11.960 --> 1:01:15.240
<v Speaker 1>prison and he needs to be released. He is sitting

1:01:15.280 --> 1:01:18.200
<v Speaker 1>there for a crime he did not commit. Um And

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<v Speaker 1>if you don't remember Julius Jones, if you and there's

1:01:20.720 --> 1:01:23.080
<v Speaker 1>so much happening, you might be like, wow, what which

1:01:23.080 --> 1:01:27.080
<v Speaker 1>one was that? You know, you can't really remember. Julius

1:01:27.160 --> 1:01:31.960
<v Speaker 1>Jones was framed for killing a white business owner while

1:01:32.080 --> 1:01:35.280
<v Speaker 1>this man um who he was in a car with

1:01:35.360 --> 1:01:38.160
<v Speaker 1>his family and was shot in his driveway. And of

1:01:38.200 --> 1:01:42.280
<v Speaker 1>course that is horrific. It's horrible, and the right person

1:01:42.600 --> 1:01:45.640
<v Speaker 1>or those individuals who were involved with it, they should

1:01:45.640 --> 1:01:49.200
<v Speaker 1>be held accountable. But Julius was not the shooter, um,

1:01:49.480 --> 1:01:52.120
<v Speaker 1>and and he needs to be free. So today we

1:01:52.160 --> 1:01:56.080
<v Speaker 1>are joined by two individuals who would just give us

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<v Speaker 1>an update on what's happening with Julius, where he is

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<v Speaker 1>and where's the process and how can we continue to engage.

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<v Speaker 1>First is Reverend C. C. Jones uh C. C. Jones Davis,

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<v Speaker 1>who is the campaign director for Justice for Julius. So

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<v Speaker 1>she was the one that kept us all together and

1:02:13.960 --> 1:02:17.040
<v Speaker 1>kept you know, for lack of a better way of describing,

1:02:17.040 --> 1:02:19.680
<v Speaker 1>at the whip on us that we could not stop,

1:02:19.760 --> 1:02:22.640
<v Speaker 1>we could not give up. And then also we have

1:02:23.200 --> 1:02:27.080
<v Speaker 1>um miss Antoninette Jones, who is Julius's sister. And then

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if you watched the news to see

1:02:29.680 --> 1:02:33.240
<v Speaker 1>people talking about Julius and his family members and social

1:02:33.240 --> 1:02:36.440
<v Speaker 1>media accounts, but this sister is no joke. She was

1:02:36.640 --> 1:02:39.960
<v Speaker 1>serious about making sure that her brother's life was not

1:02:40.120 --> 1:02:43.280
<v Speaker 1>taken uh, and it's serious about to continue fight. So

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<v Speaker 1>thank you ladies for coming and my son, I just

1:02:45.560 --> 1:02:49.240
<v Speaker 1>talked so much, I didn't even give you space to

1:02:50.400 --> 1:02:52.120
<v Speaker 1>you know, when you're seeing the right thing, I want

1:02:52.160 --> 1:02:54.760
<v Speaker 1>to stop you. Man. These are two queens who for

1:02:54.920 --> 1:02:57.520
<v Speaker 1>for this brother tooth and nail, and you know I

1:02:57.560 --> 1:03:00.360
<v Speaker 1>had I happened to witness it happen to be there

1:03:00.480 --> 1:03:04.320
<v Speaker 1>when we got the news that he wouldn't be executed,

1:03:04.320 --> 1:03:07.160
<v Speaker 1>and just to see everyone rejoicing, you know. And now

1:03:07.240 --> 1:03:10.400
<v Speaker 1>we have a different fight now that we stopped the execution.

1:03:10.640 --> 1:03:12.880
<v Speaker 1>We gotta get this man's freedom back, because as you

1:03:12.920 --> 1:03:15.320
<v Speaker 1>said that he is innocent of these charges. So we

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<v Speaker 1>just want to get an update from you, ladies. What

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<v Speaker 1>what is going on? How is Julius? What is the

1:03:20.560 --> 1:03:23.760
<v Speaker 1>next stages? What should we be doing? Let us know

1:03:24.400 --> 1:03:27.760
<v Speaker 1>and answer that. Let's start with you as his sister. UM,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, where where is Julius mentally? Because I know

1:03:30.640 --> 1:03:33.880
<v Speaker 1>he told a lot of people that you know, he

1:03:34.000 --> 1:03:37.360
<v Speaker 1>thought it would be death or freedom, but not this

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<v Speaker 1>sort of in between place where he's still caged. Um?

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<v Speaker 1>So where where is he now mentally? And where are

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<v Speaker 1>you and your family? UM? Honestly, he has a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of up and downs. UM, just coming to the conclusion

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<v Speaker 1>that you know, man, this this governor put this executive

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<v Speaker 1>order on their Um. He did not take the uh

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<v Speaker 1>like I I can't get over the fact that he

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<v Speaker 1>put that executive order either. But Julius is He's doing

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<v Speaker 1>as best as possible for a man that just got

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<v Speaker 1>off of death row death watch, Um, four hours from

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<v Speaker 1>from a scheduled execution. UM. Remarkably, God has to stay

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<v Speaker 1>in his mind. Um. His heart is not hardened. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>He still he still wants to live and live outside.

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<v Speaker 1>He still wants to help his community. He still wants to,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, do so much. And he still has hope.

1:04:37.080 --> 1:04:39.520
<v Speaker 1>And that's the that's the main thing that we that

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<v Speaker 1>we grasp two is the fact that he has hope

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<v Speaker 1>and he it is challenging for him day to day

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<v Speaker 1>with different things that come at him. Um, but he's

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<v Speaker 1>he's doing he's doing as best as possible for someone

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<v Speaker 1>that just got off death watch. UM. Watch death watch.

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<v Speaker 1>Because you said death row and then you said deathwatch,

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<v Speaker 1>which is obviously two different situations. I mean it's the

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<v Speaker 1>same thing, but there's something specific about death watch. Why

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<v Speaker 1>don't you talk a little bit about what that looked like?

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<v Speaker 1>And down to the last hours, there were things happening

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<v Speaker 1>to Julius that to me was in humane. So he

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<v Speaker 1>had he had a lot of things taken away from

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<v Speaker 1>When you go to deathwatch, that's basically you're for pain

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<v Speaker 1>for you're in these different cells that they move you

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<v Speaker 1>closer to the death chamber. And so he moves. I

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<v Speaker 1>forgot if it's every week or every every so often.

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<v Speaker 1>He he has seen the death chamber, but he's in

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<v Speaker 1>these he's in these different cells each time that he's

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<v Speaker 1>being moved down. He has a limited um limited contact

1:05:48.000 --> 1:05:52.280
<v Speaker 1>with family, UM limited phone calls that he can make.

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<v Speaker 1>He doesn't have, like he can't have a lot of books.

1:05:55.120 --> 1:05:57.320
<v Speaker 1>He can maybe have like his Bible and maybe some

1:05:57.400 --> 1:06:01.840
<v Speaker 1>pen and paper. UM is he always has he has

1:06:01.960 --> 1:06:06.000
<v Speaker 1>lights shining on him seven. So you know, I just

1:06:06.240 --> 1:06:09.880
<v Speaker 1>that's I don't understand that, Like that's that's treating somebody

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<v Speaker 1>worse than the animal that's caged up. You know, Like

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<v Speaker 1>what's the purpose of that? You know? Um? And in

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<v Speaker 1>the last twenty four hours is it or forty forty

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<v Speaker 1>eight hours? Was he restricted from lots of movement? UM?

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<v Speaker 1>I want to say, I want to say it might

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<v Speaker 1>be the last twenty four I want to I want

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<v Speaker 1>to say that. But and then they also give you

1:06:33.400 --> 1:06:35.440
<v Speaker 1>some kind of you have a choice to take some

1:06:35.520 --> 1:06:38.320
<v Speaker 1>kind of medicine that that like relaxes you. And he

1:06:38.400 --> 1:06:41.280
<v Speaker 1>chose not to take that. And I had told him,

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<v Speaker 1>you know that he would not be strapped to the

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<v Speaker 1>to the table. You know. I just kept telling him that,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, believe that you're gonna have your freedom, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>And he was like, Ned, I don't know if I

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<v Speaker 1>can take living in prison the rest of my life.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. He said, I'm I'm ready to go either way.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was like, man, don't talk, don't talk like that.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. I just had to keep enforcing. Like that

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<v Speaker 1>last phone call. I had to keep telling him, no,

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<v Speaker 1>this is the last phone call for this evening. I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, I'm gonna see you tomorro, I'm gonna see

1:07:10.120 --> 1:07:12.240
<v Speaker 1>you tomorrow. I'm gonna see you like I think it

1:07:12.280 --> 1:07:17.080
<v Speaker 1>was Sunday. And we never got that in contact visitation

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<v Speaker 1>before the scheduled execution. But God God provided away. He

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<v Speaker 1>He had told me early on to call and set

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<v Speaker 1>up a visitation. You know, I refused to read that

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<v Speaker 1>um invitation to my brother's execution, so Ceci had to

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<v Speaker 1>read hers. She literally had to read hers for me

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<v Speaker 1>to understand what all things needed to be done. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I just I refused to accept that that evil, that evil.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not gonna cuss, but I refused except that evil

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<v Speaker 1>invitation and the fact that they sent one to my

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<v Speaker 1>mom and my dad, like, that's so evil. But um,

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<v Speaker 1>that last conversation, I just had to keep reinforcing. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>you go see your son one day. You're gonna be

1:08:02.240 --> 1:08:05.520
<v Speaker 1>out one day. You know, I'm gonna see you. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna get to hug you. And the process of

1:08:07.920 --> 1:08:10.360
<v Speaker 1>you getting out is gonna be soon. And I hate

1:08:10.360 --> 1:08:12.800
<v Speaker 1>that it's not soon. It's not soon enough, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>But he the fact that he got to talk to

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<v Speaker 1>his son and he hadn't talked to him and alone. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just gonna be honest, he hadn't talked to him

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<v Speaker 1>and about since the young man was eight and the

1:08:26.240 --> 1:08:29.880
<v Speaker 1>young man is gonna be twenty three. He's never got

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<v Speaker 1>to hold him or hug him. And I kept telling him,

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<v Speaker 1>you're going You're going to do that one day, you know. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>Just it was a lot of reinforcing because he was

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<v Speaker 1>he wasn't playing. He was ready to either go to

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<v Speaker 1>heaven or get out. And it was hard seeing my mom.

1:08:50.000 --> 1:08:54.360
<v Speaker 1>My mom does not cry like and I mean that

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<v Speaker 1>because she's like, she is so strong, she holds so

1:08:58.040 --> 1:09:03.080
<v Speaker 1>much together. I'll tell I take my you know, whatever

1:09:03.160 --> 1:09:05.960
<v Speaker 1>she's doing, I take my leave from what she's doing.

1:09:06.320 --> 1:09:08.280
<v Speaker 1>And a lot of people like, well, you're you're like

1:09:08.360 --> 1:09:11.280
<v Speaker 1>his fiercest you know, advocate, and I was like, don't

1:09:11.320 --> 1:09:13.880
<v Speaker 1>don't say that, because my mom is like my mom

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<v Speaker 1>and my dad. Yeah, they hold us together. They may

1:09:17.280 --> 1:09:19.639
<v Speaker 1>not be visible all the time, but they hold us together.

1:09:20.400 --> 1:09:23.559
<v Speaker 1>And another cruel thing, but it was also a blessing.

1:09:23.760 --> 1:09:26.000
<v Speaker 1>And I knew that my brother wouldn't be executed because

1:09:26.040 --> 1:09:29.880
<v Speaker 1>my dad started dialysis that morning of the scheduled execution.

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<v Speaker 1>So I was like, I'm either gonne, you know, stay

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<v Speaker 1>strong for my dad and you know, be positive for him,

1:09:37.720 --> 1:09:39.800
<v Speaker 1>dropping him off and then coming to pick him up,

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<v Speaker 1>or I'm going to head down to McAlister early in

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<v Speaker 1>the morning. God said you go whenever you're ready to go,

1:09:45.920 --> 1:09:49.920
<v Speaker 1>CC asked me, you know, she said, whenever you're ready

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<v Speaker 1>to go down there, We're gonna go down there, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>And just having calm people around me and not people

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<v Speaker 1>that are you already been fed until he supposed to

1:10:01.840 --> 1:10:05.240
<v Speaker 1>be executed, you know, it was like the and I

1:10:05.240 --> 1:10:07.080
<v Speaker 1>don't mean to put anybody on the spot, it was

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<v Speaker 1>like I had to reinforce to other people that that

1:10:10.439 --> 1:10:13.040
<v Speaker 1>were trying to They were trying to, you know, be

1:10:13.120 --> 1:10:15.960
<v Speaker 1>there for us. At the gas station. There were so

1:10:16.000 --> 1:10:18.200
<v Speaker 1>many people that came up and was hugging me and crying,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was like, look, it's not over with. You know,

1:10:21.200 --> 1:10:23.439
<v Speaker 1>all is well. God is telling me all is well.

1:10:23.760 --> 1:10:28.000
<v Speaker 1>Not to day, not to that that day. C c Yeah,

1:10:28.479 --> 1:10:30.880
<v Speaker 1>talk to us, tell us where where we I mean,

1:10:30.920 --> 1:10:33.559
<v Speaker 1>we're hearing from answering that what we already know. It

1:10:33.640 --> 1:10:38.280
<v Speaker 1>was the worst feeling, but their faith held them together. Yeah,

1:10:38.439 --> 1:10:41.280
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna tell you. Let me start by saying, thank

1:10:41.360 --> 1:10:46.080
<v Speaker 1>you all so much for for everything. Thank you for

1:10:46.600 --> 1:10:49.120
<v Speaker 1>sharing this with your audience. Thank you for being on

1:10:49.160 --> 1:10:52.840
<v Speaker 1>the ground in Oklahoma. There were you know, this was,

1:10:53.160 --> 1:10:56.320
<v Speaker 1>This has been and will continue to be a human chain.

1:10:56.840 --> 1:10:59.479
<v Speaker 1>It cannot be a one person or five person a

1:10:59.600 --> 1:11:04.000
<v Speaker 1>temper something. This literally has to be everybody in order

1:11:04.040 --> 1:11:06.200
<v Speaker 1>to make sure the right thing is done by one

1:11:06.240 --> 1:11:09.519
<v Speaker 1>black man in Oklahoma. Um, So, from the bottom of

1:11:09.560 --> 1:11:11.840
<v Speaker 1>my heart, thank you all and thank your audience so

1:11:11.920 --> 1:11:16.639
<v Speaker 1>much for all that you have done. Um. Listen, that

1:11:16.760 --> 1:11:23.400
<v Speaker 1>last week leading up to that scheduled execution was pure hell. Really,

1:11:23.439 --> 1:11:26.519
<v Speaker 1>the last those last thirty days were pure hell. And

1:11:26.560 --> 1:11:29.000
<v Speaker 1>we had people on the ground like Dr Tiffany Crutcher,

1:11:29.400 --> 1:11:32.880
<v Speaker 1>who led a parallel campaign to hours. I mean we

1:11:32.880 --> 1:11:36.760
<v Speaker 1>were we were fighting like cats and dogs in Oklahoma.

1:11:37.680 --> 1:11:41.360
<v Speaker 1>Often was on us, she was getting my phone every day.

1:11:41.479 --> 1:11:46.759
<v Speaker 1>Yeston was there, passing, Mike McBride was there, Um Pastor

1:11:47.400 --> 1:11:50.559
<v Speaker 1>so many Yeah, Tracy Blackman, so many folks were there.

1:11:50.600 --> 1:11:52.080
<v Speaker 1>And so I just wanted to first of all say

1:11:52.160 --> 1:11:56.200
<v Speaker 1>thank you and and and shared those acknowledgements. Um. One

1:11:56.200 --> 1:11:58.360
<v Speaker 1>thing that I want to go back to and ant

1:11:58.400 --> 1:12:01.679
<v Speaker 1>when I talked about faith and she talked about the visit.

1:12:01.720 --> 1:12:04.080
<v Speaker 1>I want you all to really understand what this woman did.

1:12:04.720 --> 1:12:09.679
<v Speaker 1>Julius was supposed to be executed on Thursday. This woman

1:12:09.880 --> 1:12:15.320
<v Speaker 1>called the prison on Monday and said, I want to

1:12:15.439 --> 1:12:20.400
<v Speaker 1>visit my brother on Sunday next Sunday, and the prison

1:12:20.439 --> 1:12:24.879
<v Speaker 1>people were like, ma'am, Julius's execution and schedule for Thursday.

1:12:24.960 --> 1:12:27.760
<v Speaker 1>She said, I heard what you said, but I want

1:12:27.800 --> 1:12:30.960
<v Speaker 1>my name on your books to visit with my brother

1:12:31.240 --> 1:12:34.920
<v Speaker 1>on Sunday. And I want you to know that on

1:12:35.040 --> 1:12:39.719
<v Speaker 1>that Sunday, this woman was sitting there talking to her brother.

1:12:39.880 --> 1:12:43.000
<v Speaker 1>I got okay, So, I mean when I tell you,

1:12:43.920 --> 1:12:46.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna tell you right now. If it had not

1:12:46.680 --> 1:12:48.840
<v Speaker 1>been for God, we never would have made it. If

1:12:48.840 --> 1:12:50.880
<v Speaker 1>it had not been for faith, we never would have

1:12:50.920 --> 1:12:53.559
<v Speaker 1>made it, and Julius would not be alive. But where

1:12:53.560 --> 1:12:56.840
<v Speaker 1>are we now? So Julius, we are about six months

1:12:56.880 --> 1:13:00.320
<v Speaker 1>out from November and his legal team of kind really

1:13:00.360 --> 1:13:04.559
<v Speaker 1>trying to determine what is the legal direction for Julius

1:13:04.600 --> 1:13:08.400
<v Speaker 1>going forward, and to be completely clear, that is not

1:13:08.840 --> 1:13:13.240
<v Speaker 1>clear at this moment um. They are really thinking through

1:13:13.320 --> 1:13:17.040
<v Speaker 1>the constitutionality of the executive order. That answer that alluded

1:13:17.080 --> 1:13:20.000
<v Speaker 1>to the executive order that the governor put in place

1:13:20.040 --> 1:13:23.760
<v Speaker 1>on November eighteen said that Julius would spend would have

1:13:23.920 --> 1:13:27.080
<v Speaker 1>life without the possibility of parole and he would never

1:13:27.120 --> 1:13:29.120
<v Speaker 1>be able to give it for a pardon and Parole

1:13:29.160 --> 1:13:36.400
<v Speaker 1>board in Oklahoma again, and so really exploring the constitutionality

1:13:36.439 --> 1:13:40.240
<v Speaker 1>of that um. So that's kind of the legal part

1:13:40.320 --> 1:13:43.880
<v Speaker 1>of it. In terms of the advocacy, it's very very

1:13:43.960 --> 1:13:47.240
<v Speaker 1>important that that a few things happen in Oklahoma even

1:13:47.320 --> 1:13:51.080
<v Speaker 1>while we figure this thing out legally. It's very important

1:13:51.120 --> 1:13:55.040
<v Speaker 1>that Oklahoma County get a new digit attorney. This digrict

1:13:55.080 --> 1:13:59.599
<v Speaker 1>attorney was such a cruel individual. When I reached out

1:13:59.640 --> 1:14:02.719
<v Speaker 1>to him years ago, UM to talk to him about

1:14:02.760 --> 1:14:05.839
<v Speaker 1>Julius Jones, he told me to shut up, to go away.

1:14:06.280 --> 1:14:09.200
<v Speaker 1>He said, Julius is gonna fry and there's nothing you

1:14:09.240 --> 1:14:11.840
<v Speaker 1>can do about it. He hasn't been willing to pass

1:14:11.880 --> 1:14:15.160
<v Speaker 1>over Julius's case files through his attorneys. The man has

1:14:15.200 --> 1:14:20.080
<v Speaker 1>been terrible. We need a new district attorney in Oklahoma

1:14:20.160 --> 1:14:24.080
<v Speaker 1>County who would be willing to consider new evidence for

1:14:24.240 --> 1:14:28.599
<v Speaker 1>Julius Jones and pass over his file. Secondly, we need

1:14:28.680 --> 1:14:32.840
<v Speaker 1>a new governor of Oklahoma. You guys probably have read

1:14:32.880 --> 1:14:36.880
<v Speaker 1>so much about UM Governor Stid at this point, UM,

1:14:36.920 --> 1:14:39.559
<v Speaker 1>not just about Julius, but how he treats the Native

1:14:39.600 --> 1:14:45.799
<v Speaker 1>tribes in Oklahoma, how he treats UM women's women's issues

1:14:45.960 --> 1:14:51.120
<v Speaker 1>in Oklahoma. UM. Most people will know that Oklahoma just

1:14:51.200 --> 1:14:57.800
<v Speaker 1>passed the strictest laws in the country of just this week. UM.

1:14:57.880 --> 1:14:59.920
<v Speaker 1>And so we need a new We need a new

1:15:00.040 --> 1:15:03.559
<v Speaker 1>governor because we need someone who would be pliable and

1:15:03.600 --> 1:15:06.759
<v Speaker 1>willing to do the right thing and looking at Julius's

1:15:06.920 --> 1:15:09.960
<v Speaker 1>case UM here in the near future. So those are

1:15:09.960 --> 1:15:12.559
<v Speaker 1>the things that we are really focused on right now.

1:15:12.600 --> 1:15:15.479
<v Speaker 1>Those are the things that we can impact, as well

1:15:15.520 --> 1:15:19.720
<v Speaker 1>as to continue telling Julius historian in the meantime. So,

1:15:20.200 --> 1:15:22.639
<v Speaker 1>my son, I want you to jump in um and

1:15:22.680 --> 1:15:24.680
<v Speaker 1>I guess I'm just you know, it's so much in

1:15:24.720 --> 1:15:27.439
<v Speaker 1>my mind. But I want people to hear what you

1:15:27.520 --> 1:15:31.639
<v Speaker 1>said about the abortion laws, because some folks will say, well,

1:15:32.080 --> 1:15:34.960
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if I believe that that Julius is innocent,

1:15:35.280 --> 1:15:38.559
<v Speaker 1>and at least he wasn't killed, so he that's over

1:15:38.640 --> 1:15:43.479
<v Speaker 1>for them. But the same governor who knows that there

1:15:43.600 --> 1:15:47.120
<v Speaker 1>is not sufficient evidence, in fact, there's evidence to the

1:15:47.240 --> 1:15:52.000
<v Speaker 1>alternative that actually says that Julius is innocent. He knows that,

1:15:52.520 --> 1:15:55.800
<v Speaker 1>but because of his for his political reasons, he didn't

1:15:55.840 --> 1:15:58.840
<v Speaker 1>want an execution to happen on his hands. But he

1:15:59.000 --> 1:16:02.840
<v Speaker 1>was not interested and invested in justice because justice would

1:16:02.840 --> 1:16:07.360
<v Speaker 1>have been to free Julius completely right. And and to me,

1:16:07.680 --> 1:16:10.439
<v Speaker 1>I think it's really important that people remember that he

1:16:10.479 --> 1:16:12.920
<v Speaker 1>didn't have to make that decision on his own. He

1:16:13.040 --> 1:16:17.600
<v Speaker 1>had a pardoning parole board who voted twice that Julius

1:16:17.680 --> 1:16:22.280
<v Speaker 1>should have should be recommended for life with the possibility

1:16:22.360 --> 1:16:24.639
<v Speaker 1>of parole, which he would have been up for parole

1:16:24.680 --> 1:16:28.640
<v Speaker 1>within the within the year he that governor turned his

1:16:28.760 --> 1:16:34.080
<v Speaker 1>own parole boards recommendation down twice. His all these are people.

1:16:34.520 --> 1:16:39.840
<v Speaker 1>He three the five he appointed, He appointed these individuals

1:16:39.920 --> 1:16:45.080
<v Speaker 1>for his parole board, and and he two times did

1:16:45.120 --> 1:16:51.160
<v Speaker 1>not take his own parole recommendations, which was a overwhelming

1:16:51.439 --> 1:16:56.519
<v Speaker 1>majority that said that Julius should be received parole. Yes,

1:16:56.600 --> 1:17:00.160
<v Speaker 1>he voted three to one, one of one of the

1:17:00.080 --> 1:17:03.240
<v Speaker 1>then the one guy. When I listened to him, he

1:17:03.360 --> 1:17:08.120
<v Speaker 1>sounds like a stark, raven, crazy racist. That's how he

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<v Speaker 1>sounds to me. So so to put these things up

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<v Speaker 1>to each to next to one another. If you say, well, Julius,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, I don't got time. I did whatever,

1:17:16.600 --> 1:17:18.200
<v Speaker 1>I already did what I had to do. Over there,

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<v Speaker 1>he's not dead. That's it. The man just put the

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<v Speaker 1>abortion laws in place as well. So what it says

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<v Speaker 1>to me is women, black men, and our people, especially

1:17:30.280 --> 1:17:33.760
<v Speaker 1>marginalized communities, that this man is a danger. He's a

1:17:33.840 --> 1:17:37.200
<v Speaker 1>threat to all of that. So there's a reason to

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<v Speaker 1>fight just because if you're not into the Julius Jones story,

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<v Speaker 1>you've got to be someone who cares about the rights

1:17:46.600 --> 1:17:50.000
<v Speaker 1>of our women or the children who suffered the poverty

1:17:50.280 --> 1:17:53.920
<v Speaker 1>all of these issues that's happened within Oklahoma. There's a

1:17:54.000 --> 1:17:57.320
<v Speaker 1>reason to get involved in the fight. There is a reason,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think for me to it this, this person

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<v Speaker 1>is not interested in the law. This is a This

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<v Speaker 1>is a some this this is an anarchist. This is

1:18:07.360 --> 1:18:10.720
<v Speaker 1>somebody who believes that he is above the law right.

1:18:10.760 --> 1:18:15.200
<v Speaker 1>He believes that regardless the you know, the situate, the

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<v Speaker 1>body that I put in place, the people that I

1:18:18.080 --> 1:18:20.280
<v Speaker 1>put in place voted and looked at the evidence, and

1:18:20.320 --> 1:18:23.759
<v Speaker 1>they have more knowledge of more have looked deeper into

1:18:23.760 --> 1:18:27.200
<v Speaker 1>this situation I have. And I'm not taking their opinions.

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<v Speaker 1>And not only am I not gonna take their peniens,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna implement a law in order that says that

1:18:35.320 --> 1:18:38.960
<v Speaker 1>you can't even get the scene again, Like, this is unconstant.

1:18:39.000 --> 1:18:41.559
<v Speaker 1>It has to be against the constitution. There's no way

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<v Speaker 1>that this is constitutely because you're you're you're basically saying,

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<v Speaker 1>we don't even care if you're innocent, you come with

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<v Speaker 1>evidence anything, we don't care. You're gonna die in jail.

1:18:51.920 --> 1:18:54.920
<v Speaker 1>And that's that that has to be. That's that's unbelievable

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<v Speaker 1>to me. It's unbelievable. With that somebody even has that

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<v Speaker 1>level of power to be able to do. Let me

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<v Speaker 1>tell you that I think what I think is was

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<v Speaker 1>the bottom line and what really scared me that last

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<v Speaker 1>week that the governor's office had signaled to us that

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<v Speaker 1>the governor was going to meet with Antoinette and her

1:19:14.840 --> 1:19:20.480
<v Speaker 1>mother and family and the victims family before making a decision.

1:19:21.800 --> 1:19:26.559
<v Speaker 1>We got word that he had met with the victim's family,

1:19:27.280 --> 1:19:29.800
<v Speaker 1>but he had they had not reached out to us

1:19:29.880 --> 1:19:35.280
<v Speaker 1>yet for Mama Jones and Antoinette's meeting, So we were

1:19:35.320 --> 1:19:38.360
<v Speaker 1>going to them, okay, when we meeting, when we meeting.

1:19:39.760 --> 1:19:43.759
<v Speaker 1>Mama Jones ultimately went up there the last week, sat

1:19:43.800 --> 1:19:46.799
<v Speaker 1>and went into his office, sat in there for three hours,

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<v Speaker 1>and he was not He did not have the courage

1:19:49.720 --> 1:19:52.400
<v Speaker 1>to come out to meet with her. But I'll tell

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<v Speaker 1>you what I really believe happened. I believe that he

1:19:54.720 --> 1:19:58.519
<v Speaker 1>met with that victim's family. And yes, they are victims.

1:19:58.520 --> 1:20:00.720
<v Speaker 1>I want to make that completely here. These people have

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<v Speaker 1>been through hell, okay, But there was something about white women,

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<v Speaker 1>when white men women sit and cry, tell their story, okay,

1:20:12.320 --> 1:20:16.639
<v Speaker 1>about being afraid of a black man. I believe that

1:20:16.680 --> 1:20:22.000
<v Speaker 1>we saw a hundred years later the Tulsa massacre scenario

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<v Speaker 1>played out, and I believe that those white women's tears

1:20:26.880 --> 1:20:30.160
<v Speaker 1>move that man in such a way that he felt

1:20:30.240 --> 1:20:32.680
<v Speaker 1>that he had to protect them in some way from

1:20:32.680 --> 1:20:36.880
<v Speaker 1>the big bad black man, Julius Jones. And there and

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<v Speaker 1>when So when I heard that that happened, when I

1:20:39.200 --> 1:20:43.040
<v Speaker 1>heard that that meeting happened, I said, I was very

1:20:43.080 --> 1:20:47.240
<v Speaker 1>nervous after that, because that's white didn't meet with y'all, right,

1:20:47.800 --> 1:20:50.920
<v Speaker 1>because we know how we know the impact of white

1:20:50.960 --> 1:20:54.280
<v Speaker 1>tears in this country, right, we know that, and I

1:20:54.320 --> 1:20:55.920
<v Speaker 1>think that had a whole lot to do with that

1:20:56.000 --> 1:21:02.400
<v Speaker 1>executive order. Wow, So where do we go now? You

1:21:02.520 --> 1:21:05.720
<v Speaker 1>talked about some things, but let's get real specific. When

1:21:05.840 --> 1:21:10.040
<v Speaker 1>is the election? Is there anybody else running for governor?

1:21:10.360 --> 1:21:12.320
<v Speaker 1>And what are some of the other things that we

1:21:12.360 --> 1:21:17.280
<v Speaker 1>can do? And then is there a uh financial mechanism

1:21:17.400 --> 1:21:21.760
<v Speaker 1>that people can give to support the continue work for

1:21:21.800 --> 1:21:26.439
<v Speaker 1>justice for Julius Jones. Absolutely, So here's where we are.

1:21:26.640 --> 1:21:29.680
<v Speaker 1>We have an election coming up in November. We need

1:21:29.760 --> 1:21:34.479
<v Speaker 1>people in Oklahoma to register to vote. UM for the

1:21:35.160 --> 1:21:38.719
<v Speaker 1>d the d A for Oklahoma County. The key Bahanna

1:21:39.040 --> 1:21:41.920
<v Speaker 1>is running. We need Vicki Bahanna. And then she is

1:21:41.960 --> 1:21:46.360
<v Speaker 1>the fairest person who is running UM for the governor's race. Again,

1:21:46.479 --> 1:21:49.880
<v Speaker 1>everybody's voted in November. We need people registered and having

1:21:49.920 --> 1:21:53.120
<v Speaker 1>a plan to make sure they're at the polls, they're

1:21:53.120 --> 1:21:57.120
<v Speaker 1>senting in their ballots. We need churches and other organizations

1:21:57.120 --> 1:22:00.280
<v Speaker 1>on the ground in Oklahoma to help make sure help

1:22:00.360 --> 1:22:06.120
<v Speaker 1>to facilitate registration and mobilization of voters. And we we

1:22:06.320 --> 1:22:10.800
<v Speaker 1>don't actually know exactly yet until primaries are over in

1:22:10.920 --> 1:22:15.240
<v Speaker 1>June who his running mate will be, but I will

1:22:15.320 --> 1:22:19.799
<v Speaker 1>tell you where I'm sitting, anybody is better than governor

1:22:19.920 --> 1:22:24.240
<v Speaker 1>stick today. We will have more to say about who

1:22:24.280 --> 1:22:26.880
<v Speaker 1>the right person, who we believe the right person is

1:22:27.240 --> 1:22:30.720
<v Speaker 1>after the primaries in June UM, But in for right,

1:22:30.840 --> 1:22:34.920
<v Speaker 1>right now, anybody is better UM. People can visit Justice

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<v Speaker 1>for Julius dot com to make donations. We are establishing

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<v Speaker 1>in the process right now of establishing a five O

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<v Speaker 1>one C three and a five one C four two

1:22:44.760 --> 1:22:47.360
<v Speaker 1>that will do good grassroots work on the ground in

1:22:47.400 --> 1:22:52.280
<v Speaker 1>Oklahoma City around gun violence and youth engagement and criminal

1:22:52.320 --> 1:22:56.920
<v Speaker 1>justice reform issues and racial justice issues while Julius is

1:22:56.960 --> 1:22:59.439
<v Speaker 1>still incarcerated. We want to make sure that good work

1:22:59.520 --> 1:23:04.080
<v Speaker 1>goes on in his name. In the meantime, my son,

1:23:04.280 --> 1:23:06.360
<v Speaker 1>you want to finish yourself. I just want to say

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<v Speaker 1>thank you for your undying work that you're doing, the energy.

1:23:13.080 --> 1:23:15.640
<v Speaker 1>You know. I look at his sister, and that's the

1:23:15.720 --> 1:23:18.479
<v Speaker 1>sister that you want. You know, that's the sister that

1:23:18.520 --> 1:23:22.120
<v Speaker 1>you need. You know, even though my sister gets on

1:23:22.160 --> 1:23:24.599
<v Speaker 1>my nerves, I know that she would probably be doing

1:23:24.640 --> 1:23:27.240
<v Speaker 1>the same exact thing you're doing if I was in

1:23:27.240 --> 1:23:29.880
<v Speaker 1>this situation. So I just want to say I command you, sister,

1:23:30.000 --> 1:23:33.240
<v Speaker 1>and I appreciate you. Also want to say, Miss e

1:23:33.320 --> 1:23:36.320
<v Speaker 1>c your undying will and what you put into this

1:23:36.920 --> 1:23:39.720
<v Speaker 1>is unmatched. You know, black women always here to save

1:23:39.840 --> 1:23:43.679
<v Speaker 1>us as black man man, and I will always tip

1:23:43.760 --> 1:23:46.519
<v Speaker 1>my hat and bow to your feet. Man, continue to

1:23:46.560 --> 1:23:49.439
<v Speaker 1>do the work. Anything that we can do, we will do.

1:23:49.640 --> 1:23:52.800
<v Speaker 1>And justice for Julius. I'm praying for him, you know,

1:23:52.880 --> 1:23:55.599
<v Speaker 1>I'm praying for your families. I'm praying for everybody. This

1:23:55.680 --> 1:23:58.760
<v Speaker 1>is it's hard. You know, I've been incarcerated. I wasn't

1:23:58.800 --> 1:24:01.240
<v Speaker 1>facing death row, no were near that. But I know

1:24:01.280 --> 1:24:03.640
<v Speaker 1>those seven years and seven or fourteen years that I

1:24:03.720 --> 1:24:06.040
<v Speaker 1>was sentenced to, I know I know the pain that

1:24:06.080 --> 1:24:08.960
<v Speaker 1>I felt, so I can only imagine what he's going

1:24:09.000 --> 1:24:11.160
<v Speaker 1>through right now. And this is a strong brother to

1:24:11.360 --> 1:24:14.519
<v Speaker 1>have been in there that amount of time this long

1:24:14.600 --> 1:24:17.400
<v Speaker 1>and still be in control of his faculties and still

1:24:17.439 --> 1:24:19.840
<v Speaker 1>be standing strong. So I just want to commend him

1:24:20.120 --> 1:24:22.280
<v Speaker 1>and let him know that we were still here with

1:24:22.360 --> 1:24:26.200
<v Speaker 1>him and we're gonna fight with him to them. Yeah,

1:24:26.640 --> 1:24:30.519
<v Speaker 1>answering that your father, Um, you said he had to

1:24:30.560 --> 1:24:36.240
<v Speaker 1>go to dialysis. How's he doing? So? Honestly, and I

1:24:36.280 --> 1:24:39.880
<v Speaker 1>haven't told c C this and I'm sorry honestly, Um,

1:24:39.920 --> 1:24:44.360
<v Speaker 1>he has a lot of uh, good days and bad days, um,

1:24:45.040 --> 1:24:48.760
<v Speaker 1>but here lately he's started to lose his appetite. And

1:24:48.760 --> 1:24:52.200
<v Speaker 1>that's not something I share with Julius, because that's Julius's

1:24:52.240 --> 1:24:54.599
<v Speaker 1>greatest spirits that he won't get to hug his father.

1:24:55.120 --> 1:24:57.439
<v Speaker 1>And he did not get to hug his father. Um.

1:24:58.240 --> 1:25:00.479
<v Speaker 1>And that's what I was kind of talking about, is

1:25:00.840 --> 1:25:03.760
<v Speaker 1>we were supposed to have an in person visitation on

1:25:03.840 --> 1:25:09.920
<v Speaker 1>the seventeenth, right, Um, But we got the visitation the Sunday.

1:25:10.080 --> 1:25:12.679
<v Speaker 1>That would not have been if I hadn't have put

1:25:12.720 --> 1:25:14.840
<v Speaker 1>in that order, and thank God for that. But he

1:25:14.880 --> 1:25:17.080
<v Speaker 1>didn't get to make it down there the Sunday to

1:25:17.720 --> 1:25:21.160
<v Speaker 1>give him a hug in person and that really affected him.

1:25:21.240 --> 1:25:24.920
<v Speaker 1>So Julius's fight is also that to to be able

1:25:24.920 --> 1:25:30.240
<v Speaker 1>to hug and such as father too. M So I

1:25:30.320 --> 1:25:35.480
<v Speaker 1>appreciate all that that you all are doing. Yes, Primaries Junory,

1:25:35.920 --> 1:25:38.639
<v Speaker 1>if people are listening and say to Oklahoma, please applot

1:25:38.680 --> 1:25:42.240
<v Speaker 1>for absentee ballots before it's too late. Um, get out

1:25:42.240 --> 1:25:45.040
<v Speaker 1>there and vote. Um. If you need assistance, reach out

1:25:45.040 --> 1:25:47.880
<v Speaker 1>to vote for change as well as my Facebook and

1:25:47.960 --> 1:25:52.280
<v Speaker 1>my social media platforms and as well, follow Justice for

1:25:52.360 --> 1:25:56.000
<v Speaker 1>Julius on all social media platforms. And thank you all

1:25:56.000 --> 1:25:59.599
<v Speaker 1>so much for you know, standing with us. It takes

1:25:59.640 --> 1:26:03.040
<v Speaker 1>us all. Thank you, Thank you ladies so much, love

1:26:03.120 --> 1:26:05.519
<v Speaker 1>y'all and we're in the fight whatever we can do.

1:26:05.680 --> 1:26:12.960
<v Speaker 1>Please don't hesitate to ask. We won't. Thank y'all so much. Man.

1:26:13.000 --> 1:26:16.519
<v Speaker 1>I just it's a lot. It's emotional, a lot of

1:26:16.600 --> 1:26:19.599
<v Speaker 1>unpack it's a lot of impact, man, just seeing those

1:26:19.720 --> 1:26:22.680
<v Speaker 1>ladies and just hearing that pain, but you get that

1:26:22.800 --> 1:26:25.200
<v Speaker 1>fight in their voice, like they haven't given up and

1:26:25.240 --> 1:26:27.280
<v Speaker 1>they're gonna keep fighting. Man, It's just a lot. So

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<v Speaker 1>I just want to say, once again, free Julius June.

1:26:31.320 --> 1:26:34.599
<v Speaker 1>Shout out to everybody who who've been fighting for him,

1:26:34.720 --> 1:26:38.120
<v Speaker 1>our brother IRV Roland, who was pretty much the first

1:26:38.160 --> 1:26:42.040
<v Speaker 1>person who notified us, you know, was a child, was

1:26:42.080 --> 1:26:45.599
<v Speaker 1>a child with friends of Julius. So you know everybody

1:26:45.600 --> 1:26:47.880
<v Speaker 1>that's been in that fight. Man. You know, I want

1:26:47.920 --> 1:26:50.000
<v Speaker 1>to say our prayers go out to you and we

1:26:50.080 --> 1:26:54.400
<v Speaker 1>salute you also and other guests. You know, Chris Goddy,

1:26:54.400 --> 1:26:59.160
<v Speaker 1>who can man, I'm telling you what this I get

1:26:59.200 --> 1:27:01.040
<v Speaker 1>these kind of jewels Chris all the time. This is

1:27:01.040 --> 1:27:04.080
<v Speaker 1>my boy, so we said and have these conversations, and

1:27:04.120 --> 1:27:07.479
<v Speaker 1>he's a very sharp individual. He's he streaked savvy, yet

1:27:07.520 --> 1:27:10.200
<v Speaker 1>he's very intelligent. So he's one of the one of

1:27:10.200 --> 1:27:12.800
<v Speaker 1>the one of my mentors that I talked to about

1:27:12.800 --> 1:27:15.200
<v Speaker 1>a lot of different things. So shout out to Chris

1:27:15.240 --> 1:27:18.719
<v Speaker 1>Man and the knowledge he dropped. Hopefully some young kids

1:27:18.720 --> 1:27:21.760
<v Speaker 1>to listen to it. And I get swept up in

1:27:21.840 --> 1:27:24.679
<v Speaker 1>this new reco thing. Not really knew, but they're definitely

1:27:24.720 --> 1:27:28.639
<v Speaker 1>targeting hip hop and targeting our communities and targeting social

1:27:28.640 --> 1:27:31.680
<v Speaker 1>media and how you use the social media to encomplish

1:27:31.680 --> 1:27:35.160
<v Speaker 1>you and and and trap you in these reco charges.

1:27:35.200 --> 1:27:38.320
<v Speaker 1>So once again, shout out to him and shout out

1:27:38.320 --> 1:27:40.479
<v Speaker 1>to you to make up, you know, for the work

1:27:40.520 --> 1:27:42.639
<v Speaker 1>that you out here doing. You know what I'm saying.

1:27:42.680 --> 1:27:48.160
<v Speaker 1>You was in Buffalo this week giving people, not me,

1:27:48.360 --> 1:27:54.120
<v Speaker 1>but we Buffalo Black people is just we just something else. Pain.

1:27:54.760 --> 1:27:58.639
<v Speaker 1>We take a looking and keep and we just keep going. Man,

1:27:58.720 --> 1:28:01.640
<v Speaker 1>I'll tell you, but you know, I'm glad that a

1:28:01.840 --> 1:28:06.200
<v Speaker 1>Bien Trade, the Truth until Freedom and so many others

1:28:06.200 --> 1:28:09.439
<v Speaker 1>were able to get together to do the work we

1:28:09.479 --> 1:28:12.360
<v Speaker 1>did in Buffalo, and it has to continue. In fact,

1:28:12.479 --> 1:28:15.400
<v Speaker 1>the trade just text me what's the plan? He needs

1:28:15.400 --> 1:28:18.200
<v Speaker 1>to know people moving around. You gonna know where folks

1:28:18.280 --> 1:28:21.040
<v Speaker 1>is going and what they're doing and whether he should

1:28:21.160 --> 1:28:23.800
<v Speaker 1>or should not be there and be involved. So we've

1:28:23.840 --> 1:28:29.280
<v Speaker 1>got a brilliant, amazing team of very passionate, caring individuals

1:28:29.760 --> 1:28:31.640
<v Speaker 1>and I wouldn't want to be in this work with

1:28:31.840 --> 1:28:36.200
<v Speaker 1>anyone else but y'all. Y'all a little crazy sometimes, but

1:28:36.360 --> 1:28:38.920
<v Speaker 1>y'are the best at what y'all do. Man. With that said,

1:28:39.520 --> 1:28:42.519
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1:28:56.160 --> 1:28:59.920
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