Speaker 1: What's up. Family, it's your girl to make a d
Speaker 1: Mallory and it's your boy, my son general And we're
Speaker 1: your hosts of street politicians the place with the streets
Speaker 1: and politics. So there's a lot to cover today in
Speaker 1: a little bit of time. And I'll tell you over
Speaker 1: the last few weeks, so much is happening that our
Speaker 1: shows have just been changing on the fly. But you were,
Speaker 1: you know, you was handling the camera to UM tape
Speaker 1: a press conference for Stanley Davis the Third who's thirteen
Speaker 1: years old, young boy. Uh, much more focus has to
Speaker 1: be on this situation too. He's in Boyton Beach, Florida. Uh,
Speaker 1: he was riding a dirt bike and went to the
Speaker 1: gas station to fill up. UM and an officer in
Speaker 1: the community mark soon that many people know for twenty years,
Speaker 1: this man has been terrorizing this particular community, including Stanley
Speaker 1: Davis Jr. Which is Stanley Davis the third father. Twenty years.
Speaker 1: The community knows him. And Stanley Davis told us that
Speaker 1: he actually UM informed his son about this officer, so
Speaker 1: everyone knows. Now. You see Stanley Davis in the gas station,
Speaker 1: it's all on video, and you see, uh, the officer
Speaker 1: sort of pull up behind him. It looks like Stanley
Speaker 1: Davis doesn't even pump his gas, he just runs because
Speaker 1: he knows this guy. He knows this officer, and he
Speaker 1: leaves the gas station and Mark Song follows him, driving
Speaker 1: in a high speed chase, and at some point, little
Speaker 1: Stanley loses control of his dirt bike and he dies. Now,
Speaker 1: some would say, because you know, there is the critics
Speaker 1: that say, oh, well, you know, why did he run him?
Speaker 1: What was he doing in you know, and all of that. Well,
Speaker 1: here's the deal. Jaden Reardon's family, which is a six
Speaker 1: year old young boy, was also at the press conference.
Speaker 1: Why because of the same behavior by the same officer
Speaker 1: that killed their son. He was in a high speed
Speaker 1: chase and as a result of that chase, UM, this
Speaker 1: six year old Jaden Reardon was killed. And then there's
Speaker 1: little Cyrus, another child who was killed by in a
Speaker 1: high speed chase situation with UM officer Mark Son. So
Speaker 1: this officer and and by the way, as you know
Speaker 1: my son, because we learned this is just one three
Speaker 1: things that he's done. Three children that have died because
Speaker 1: of him and his negligence, but his racism towards black
Speaker 1: folks on the police force as a police officer is clear.
Speaker 1: It's well documented. There's twenty years of stuff in his
Speaker 1: record that he has a little rap sheet people suing him. Uh, folks,
Speaker 1: He's been reprimanded several times, He's had supervisors speak about
Speaker 1: his issues, and and and and they actually in his report.
Speaker 1: They are supervisors that have written things to say that
Speaker 1: he's dangerous, that he doesn't do his job properly, that
Speaker 1: he has he's biased. And still twenty years later, the
Speaker 1: man is working on the police force and a child,
Speaker 1: a thirteen year old child, was killed. It doesn't make
Speaker 1: a bitter sense to me. It doesn't make sense period. Man.
Speaker 1: Like I said at the press conference, this is a
Speaker 1: serial killer. You know, this is you know, and and
Speaker 1: what happens for me is like I said, I don't
Speaker 1: really have an issue with a racist and someone who
Speaker 1: is the killer, because that's who he is. Right. But
Speaker 1: we have a justice system that is supposed to protect
Speaker 1: those that is opposed to, you know, protect the the
Speaker 1: the basic citizens against things like that. Right, there are
Speaker 1: laws and things set in place so that when you
Speaker 1: are racist, person that commits crimes out of racialism commits
Speaker 1: crimes period. Their consequences and the justice system is failing
Speaker 1: these these parents. It's failing these families because they're allowing
Speaker 1: this person to commit murder without any consequences. It is
Speaker 1: state sanctioned murder, is state sanctioned white supremacy, and you know,
Speaker 1: and we're seeing that more and more, and I'm really
Speaker 1: heartbroken for the children, I mean for the families of
Speaker 1: the children. You know, just looking at um Stanley Davis Jr.
Speaker 1: The father, Stanley Davids, the third and just hearing how
Speaker 1: this is wearing on him, Just trying to understand. I have,
Speaker 1: you know, three sons, and if this was any of
Speaker 1: my sons, I know, the you know, the minds that being,
Speaker 1: I know, it would crush me totally. So just hearing
Speaker 1: what he's dealing with, hearing the mother of the other one,
Speaker 1: the yeah, yeah, the mother of Jaden Rear was dead
Speaker 1: and and just hearing her and she would hold back
Speaker 1: tears hearing Stanley, Stanley Davis's mother, you know, she she
Speaker 1: even got choked up to what she couldn't even continue
Speaker 1: to talk. So these things child, their only child was killed.
Speaker 1: But because an officer is unhinged and just running wild,
Speaker 1: and no one has done anything about it, there's so
Speaker 1: there's so many things happening that I'm trying to figure
Speaker 1: out who is responsible, Like nobody pays for any of
Speaker 1: the things that's happening to black people. And I just
Speaker 1: don't know. I can't believe it, like I don't. I
Speaker 1: cannot believe that a thirteen year old child was killed
Speaker 1: after two other children and at some point even still
Speaker 1: to right now, this man hasn't been by you. It's
Speaker 1: disgusting then, you know, And then to move on to
Speaker 1: more things. Then now we have nineteen babies, twenty well
Speaker 1: nineteen people, eighteen babies and two teachers. It's just unbelievable. Man,
Speaker 1: Like I don't understand where we are in this country.
Speaker 1: I don't understand in the mind's sake. I tell a
Speaker 1: lot of prayers every night, praying for not only my
Speaker 1: family and myself, but just every human being. We're just
Speaker 1: in very dark times and you know, I don't even
Speaker 1: know what to say. Every day you turn on the news,
Speaker 1: there's another atrocity, you know, and and we have to
Speaker 1: deal with those things. Trauma, the trauma that is setting
Speaker 1: in on just the average human being is very high.
Speaker 1: You look, you look at um suicide rates is just violence.
Speaker 1: And it's so much trauma that we're dealing with, and
Speaker 1: we're in taking all of the trauma and it's causing
Speaker 1: you the last show, it's causing you to do things
Speaker 1: that are irrational, it's causing mental health issues. So I
Speaker 1: would ask anyone if you're feeling like, you know, suicidal,
Speaker 1: you feel like you're dealing with trauma, find you know,
Speaker 1: they are definitely hotlines to what you can call and
Speaker 1: speak to people you know, speak to someone who's who
Speaker 1: specializes in mental health, if you have some individual that
Speaker 1: you just like to talk to who calms you down.
Speaker 1: But don't hold it in, don't internalize a lot of
Speaker 1: this trauma and pain, because I know it's a lot. Well,
Speaker 1: you were saying that it's designed like that is what
Speaker 1: white supremacy does. It creates so much confusion intention that
Speaker 1: it's designed to make people lose their minds, take their lives,
Speaker 1: take the lives of others. Because the whole premise of
Speaker 1: of white supremacy is to gain control, power and to
Speaker 1: be able to maintain whatever it is that they believe
Speaker 1: makes them period, right, And so with that being said,
Speaker 1: the only way to have control, the only way to
Speaker 1: have power and dominion over a people, a land and
Speaker 1: all its resources is you have to keep the people confused.
Speaker 1: You have to keep the people stressed. You have to
Speaker 1: keep the people feeling like they can't get their bearings
Speaker 1: because therefore they can't stop to focus on fighting the
Speaker 1: real enemy, which is the white supremacy and the and
Speaker 1: the institutions that uphold it. So they're doing a damn
Speaker 1: good job. And you said that to me. When I
Speaker 1: was telling you yesterday, I said, I'm not doing well.
Speaker 1: Today has been a bad day. I was crying off
Speaker 1: and on after I learned that Erma Gonzalez, the teacher,
Speaker 1: one of the teachers who was killed in Texas. When
Speaker 1: I learned that her husband had a heart attack and died,
Speaker 1: I was finished. The day before, my legs were struggling
Speaker 1: to walk towards the top supermarket while we were in Buffalo.
Speaker 1: In Buffalo, like as I was walking, I was getting
Speaker 1: to like I was videoing I was gonna live. There
Speaker 1: was so much family and love and support that was
Speaker 1: out there. We fed five people and it felt so
Speaker 1: good to see, you know, until freedom out there partnering
Speaker 1: with other groups and doing what we could do. But
Speaker 1: I was trying to take the people on the phone
Speaker 1: on the journey and bring them all the way to
Speaker 1: Tops and I couldn't walk over there. So then you
Speaker 1: come back and now his husband has died. It's a lie,
Speaker 1: and you said, this is what it's designed to do.
Speaker 1: It definitely is man so much, but I do want
Speaker 1: to shine. I like the one good thing we did,
Speaker 1: like you said, we were in Buffalo, you know, um
Speaker 1: our condolences went out to the families who lost the
Speaker 1: loved ones in the Buffalo mass massacre, and we went
Speaker 1: out there and we decided to partner with them Feed
Speaker 1: Buffalo and our brother Trade the Truth to get some resources,
Speaker 1: get food, get vegetables, fruits, get all of the resources
Speaker 1: that some of the families need, because like you said,
Speaker 1: it's a food desert. That Tops Market was the closest
Speaker 1: market within about the twenty mile radius. So we decided
Speaker 1: that what we would do will go out there and
Speaker 1: make it easier for those in the community who couldn't
Speaker 1: get or just didn't have the resources. They just try
Speaker 1: to provide them with something of joy. There was music,
Speaker 1: There was a food truck out there which you can
Speaker 1: get free food to eat, hot meals, you know, So
Speaker 1: for me. It was a little bit of sunshine in
Speaker 1: all of it. And I seen hit Sunshine Sunshine. Sorry,
Speaker 1: you know, I've seen a lot of kids out there
Speaker 1: laughing that the music was good. It was just a
Speaker 1: little little yeah. Elders are out there. People were happy
Speaker 1: to see us, They hugged us, you know, they took pictures.
Speaker 1: You know, to try to provide a little bit of
Speaker 1: positivity in this time is very necessary. We overwhelmed with negativity,
Speaker 1: and we hear all the negative things. But I'm glad
Speaker 1: that um Our Until Freedom team were able to connect
Speaker 1: with other people who have the same mind state and
Speaker 1: the same hearts like we did to provide that. So
Speaker 1: shout out to Until Freedom, shout out to trade, shout
Speaker 1: out to media. Um Uh, every bottom covered feed Buffalo.
Speaker 1: I mean, there were so many out there with us. Uh.
Speaker 1: And we had our brother Jamal Crews on the I
Speaker 1: guess two episodes ago on Street Politicians, and we worked
Speaker 1: with him right immediately following that interview to set up
Speaker 1: a time for us to go to Buffalo. And we
Speaker 1: were there and like you said, it was a lot
Speaker 1: of love and you know a lot of just heartfelt
Speaker 1: conversations and to the point that we were talking about
Speaker 1: before this, um I was doing. I was on live
Speaker 1: because we were raising money, like right on the scene.
Speaker 1: We took people to Target for two hours while we shocked.
Speaker 1: Linda and I were there in Target putting things in
Speaker 1: the cart. The folks were on the phone on the
Speaker 1: lives saying, I'm sending a hundred dollars, get some more
Speaker 1: can to tune. It's not enough tuna in the car.
Speaker 1: You need more rice. You need this, you need spaghetti sauce,
Speaker 1: you need this, you need that. People we're helping right there.
Speaker 1: We was doing it. Why because unfortunately there is this
Speaker 1: narrative that like people aren't in the community, and and
Speaker 1: maybe that's our fault, right, maybe because especially a person
Speaker 1: like me, I don't use my devices all the time
Speaker 1: to talk about what it is that I'm doing. I
Speaker 1: don't always like to show people or even and sometimes
Speaker 1: I kind of feel like because me and you know this,
Speaker 1: I spend a lot of my personal money donating giving.
Speaker 1: I certainly um M A M A A. I'm a
Speaker 1: very I'm a strong donor of campaigns, local races. I
Speaker 1: give people my personal money across the country all the time.
Speaker 1: I support organizations if something happens. I try my best
Speaker 1: to do as much as I can, and of course
Speaker 1: I wish I could do more, but I do spend
Speaker 1: and try to give, donate investor, as you say, and
Speaker 1: so I don't often talk about that. But I also
Speaker 1: don't necessarily use my social media to bring a light
Speaker 1: or to shed light on what I'm doing in the
Speaker 1: moment um. And so I decided to do that right then,
Speaker 1: so people could help, and they did. Folks were helping
Speaker 1: us out, giving us ideas, sending um Investor mints, donations
Speaker 1: and um and we did that all day. And then
Speaker 1: as I was talking to this one family and they
Speaker 1: and it was a live conversation with a mother and
Speaker 1: her niece, UM, and they were like, you know what,
Speaker 1: we're not letting anybody lock us up. They were they
Speaker 1: were elderly. One woman was actually on a motorbike, a
Speaker 1: motor you know the I don't know the scooter or
Speaker 1: it's not even a scooter, it's a bike. So she
Speaker 1: was sitting there. She had all bags of groceries. We
Speaker 1: didn't give people one thing. They had bags. People left
Speaker 1: with five bags of baby whites and of color rocks
Speaker 1: whites and canned goods and perishables and all types of things.
Speaker 1: Bread like you said, shout out to trade the truth
Speaker 1: for the bread the vegetables. And so they were like,
Speaker 1: we're not letting anybody lock us up in our homes.
Speaker 1: And that gave me so much like joy to hear
Speaker 1: them say that and make me feel like I could fight,
Speaker 1: because they were like, we're not We're come our song,
Speaker 1: and for the seniors that can't come, we're picking up bags,
Speaker 1: taking it down there and coming back to help them.
Speaker 1: And that is what it's all about. We can't even though, yes,
Speaker 1: sometimes you might have to take two or three days
Speaker 1: to sit down, get yourself together, but we're in a fight.
Speaker 1: There's a war that has been waged against us, and
Speaker 1: we better know that we're in this war and that
Speaker 1: they're gonna be people who are not supposed. When you
Speaker 1: say white supremacy, what do you mean because the kid
Speaker 1: in uh In, Texas who killed those he's not white.
Speaker 1: It's white supremacy is not about color. White supremacy, it's
Speaker 1: about a the ideology. It's about systematic oppression. Right, it's
Speaker 1: a it's it's it's bigger than just the person who's
Speaker 1: carrying it out and that's what happens because the country
Speaker 1: is so off the chain with mental health issues and
Speaker 1: hunger and everything that's going on social media helping to
Speaker 1: drive people crazy. You're gonna see more people acting out
Speaker 1: these horrific incidents because folks are not in their stable
Speaker 1: mind and that is something that we have to tackle
Speaker 1: to do. You know, Shot once again shout out to
Speaker 1: trade the truth. He left directly from Buffalo to go
Speaker 1: all the way out to his hometown in Texas. He
Speaker 1: went to your All Day you know, elementary school, and
Speaker 1: he was out there with the families, um and he
Speaker 1: reached out to us, and you know, we're trying to
Speaker 1: help with some of the finances for the funerals, whatever
Speaker 1: we can do. You know, it's a tracked it's been
Speaker 1: a lot of tragedy. It's been so much tragedy. But
Speaker 1: you know, people like what we do and what other
Speaker 1: organizations which Trade does. It gives some level of solnce
Speaker 1: knowing that there are people, individuals and a bunch of
Speaker 1: people who wants better man, who are willing to get
Speaker 1: on those front lines, willing to go outside, as we say,
Speaker 1: because when we say we're outside, and ain't that we
Speaker 1: outside with the community. We work for the people, and
Speaker 1: you know, and it's good too. It's good to be
Speaker 1: able to after those things to come and get a
Speaker 1: hug from somebody that you know was dealing with a
Speaker 1: lot of trauma and paint. And when you hug them,
Speaker 1: you feel that you've you've given your energy to them
Speaker 1: or they give you and they smile laughter because they
Speaker 1: know someone kids. So you know, I'm I'm happy to
Speaker 1: be a part of that process, the rebuilding process, the
Speaker 1: love process, the the community process, the unity process for sure.
Speaker 1: And you know, speaking of just all the things that's happening.
Speaker 1: Last year, on May which was the anniversary UM of
Speaker 1: the murder of George Floyd, something that changed the world
Speaker 1: forever and ever and ever will never ever be the same. Um,
Speaker 1: we saw Joe Biden, President Biden say that he wanted
Speaker 1: to UH the House to pass the George Floyd Justice
Speaker 1: and Police and Bill, and it didn't happen. And so
Speaker 1: for a whole year we've been using fighting, protesting, demanding, meeting,
Speaker 1: organizing to get something done. And on this week, UH
Speaker 1: the anniversary again of second anniversary or yeah, the second
Speaker 1: anniversary of George, of the murder of George Floyd. Um,
Speaker 1: the President signed several executive orders. Uh, and this was
Speaker 1: a part of the George Floyd Justice and Police and Acts.
Speaker 1: He focused on some important things. Um, and you know,
Speaker 1: at least we got that done. Does it go far enough? No?
Speaker 1: First of all far enough for us. First of all,
Speaker 1: George Foyd Justice and Police and Act was not far enough,
Speaker 1: so that in and of itself did not have all
Speaker 1: the things in it, and it wasn't as strong as
Speaker 1: it needed to be in order to address some of
Speaker 1: the key issues. However, there was some important things, and um,
Speaker 1: you know, there will have time. I think what we
Speaker 1: should do is bring maybe Congressman Jamal Bowman back to
Speaker 1: talk through all of the different things that's in the
Speaker 1: executive order, so we're not just talking off our head
Speaker 1: but really looking at what these things mean. But there
Speaker 1: was one piece that is extremely important, and that is
Speaker 1: the registry, the National Registry. So because at this point,
Speaker 1: can you believe it were in two and there is
Speaker 1: no national registerstry where a police officer who has committed
Speaker 1: some act of violence, racism, excessive force, or what have you,
Speaker 1: is in a system that all over the country people
Speaker 1: have access to it and other police departments, and so
Speaker 1: you could get a job, you could be working over
Speaker 1: here and then and kill somebody and then go, you know,
Speaker 1: fifty miles away and get a job on another police force,
Speaker 1: and they will say they didn't know or they didn't
Speaker 1: have the information, even though a lot of times they
Speaker 1: do know and they just don't do anything about it.
Speaker 1: But the registry allows us to hold people's feet to
Speaker 1: the fire, and it allows us to also manage and
Speaker 1: maintain data and know what is going on with these
Speaker 1: different offices. Now, the point that it's always a step
Speaker 1: to process. We have to fight with local municipalities to
Speaker 1: participate in the registry. And that's what makes the executive orders, um,
Speaker 1: you know, challenging, and it makes people say it's not
Speaker 1: enough because these are all federal pieces of legislation that
Speaker 1: he signed, and so it doesn't always reach us in
Speaker 1: this on the state side the way that it needs to.
Speaker 1: So there's always fighting. There's still so much to be done. However,
Speaker 1: we demanded that the president do something, and he has
Speaker 1: signed the executive orders. Now, one of his issues, one
Speaker 1: of his key issues in our next our guest is
Speaker 1: on for today, But one of his key issues is
Speaker 1: that he did not want to do things around criminal
Speaker 1: justice from an executive order perspective, because once he leaves office,
Speaker 1: and especially if the Democrats do not win again, the
Speaker 1: Republicans will more than likely overturn everything that he's done.
Speaker 1: And in fact, even if the Democrats are in place,
Speaker 1: and you have a situation where the Republicans are able
Speaker 1: to win that control of the House, and you know
Speaker 1: right now, it's very slim, and in fact, we're the
Speaker 1: Democrats and I'm a Democrat. Um, we're in jeopardy because
Speaker 1: there are two Democrats, particularly Joe Manchin and Christian Cinema,
Speaker 1: who vote unfortunately or especially over the last several years,
Speaker 1: they have been leaning in a Republican direction. They've been
Speaker 1: leaning with conservative politics. And therefore we are not as
Speaker 1: strong as we should be with our fifty plus one.
Speaker 1: If the plus one means we've got half of the
Speaker 1: House plus one vote. Being Kamala Harris as the vice president,
Speaker 1: she has the tie breaking vote. And so if this
Speaker 1: situation flips in any way where we lose more seats,
Speaker 1: which in the mid term elections, I believe it is
Speaker 1: very very very possible, and we might not win. The
Speaker 1: Democrats may not win the presidency. Then everything that he
Speaker 1: signed as an executive order, everything that has been signed,
Speaker 1: it will be overturned. Um, it can be overturned, and
Speaker 1: more than likely will be. And so he did not
Speaker 1: want to do executive orders. He wanted to get real
Speaker 1: legislation passed from the House, which would have made it permanent.
Speaker 1: And and so these things are always a challenge. It's
Speaker 1: not enough, and it's a whole hell of a lot
Speaker 1: of more work to be done. And sure is man
Speaker 1: but like you said, something is being done. A lot
Speaker 1: of people are on the fence with this and that
Speaker 1: for me, you know, I just understand the government in
Speaker 1: a different manner and understand and you know, the kragmire
Speaker 1: that we deal with. Understand that the government structure is
Speaker 1: really not set up to favor the least of these
Speaker 1: or the man generalized communities. It's not really set up
Speaker 1: to benefit us. Right, so when you look at situations
Speaker 1: like these bills, like having the past executive orders at
Speaker 1: this point, that's really all we have. But we know
Speaker 1: that that is uh. You know, it's a band aid
Speaker 1: on a on a on a gunshot wound. You know
Speaker 1: it's not gonna it's not gonna really make any change,
Speaker 1: because each individual state has the ability to just say
Speaker 1: we're not following that because it's just on the federal
Speaker 1: level and it doesn't apply to our state. So we
Speaker 1: understand what we're dealing with. You know, hopefully we'll get
Speaker 1: to a state where we actually have real power within government,
Speaker 1: where we have people who are willing to be radical
Speaker 1: make radical changes, people are willing to stand on it
Speaker 1: and and fight for what it what's necessary, and what's honorable,
Speaker 1: and what's decent and what's you know, the right thing
Speaker 1: to do. But until then, you know, we just gotta
Speaker 1: take what we have to take that's right. So so
Speaker 1: that talking about laws and all of that takes us
Speaker 1: right into our next guest. Um I noticed that last
Speaker 1: last week while we were a matter of fact, it
Speaker 1: may have been this week. It has been this week.
Speaker 1: It's been. I mean, stuff is just happening, man um.
Speaker 1: I saw that gonna the artists when he went to court,
Speaker 1: the courts denied him the right to be what is
Speaker 1: it uh, what is it called? He wanted to be, wanted,
Speaker 1: he wanted to know. He was trying to get a bill,
Speaker 1: and that was the word, that was the word bail.
Speaker 1: Um So they denied it, and he um, you know,
Speaker 1: has his next court date is not until sometime late
Speaker 1: in January, so he would basically have to be in
Speaker 1: jail all of that time. And um, you know, people
Speaker 1: on the internet that was mixed reviews. There are some
Speaker 1: people who are like, well, because of course the district attorney,
Speaker 1: the state's attorney, they made the case that he is
Speaker 1: the leader of a gang, he was the shot caller,
Speaker 1: and therefore he's a flight risk and he should not
Speaker 1: be released, you know, to home confinement until the trial
Speaker 1: begins and um or while a trial is taking place.
Speaker 1: And then, um, you know, obviously the same thing happened
Speaker 1: with Young Thug over the last couple of weeks. We've
Speaker 1: seen that. And so you have these two artists that
Speaker 1: are beloved by a lot of folks. And like I said,
Speaker 1: you've got a lot of people mixed feelings. You've got
Speaker 1: people who support the system. Is said, well, Atlanta is crazy,
Speaker 1: and you know, they were in the gang. And there's
Speaker 1: argument over whether Y. S. L Is a gang or not,
Speaker 1: and you know, and all of that, and then you
Speaker 1: have people who are just saying, here we go again too.
Speaker 1: Black men who may have kept the wrong friends but
Speaker 1: you know they it's this a circumstance of their environment, um,
Speaker 1: and that they, you know, should not be looking at
Speaker 1: all of this time. So you've got all of these
Speaker 1: different perspectives out there. Um. But of course you got
Speaker 1: two men and others who are caught up in the
Speaker 1: midst of it. And the main charge, the main debate
Speaker 1: has been Rico and Rico has so much to do
Speaker 1: with conspiracies and and whether or not you were standing
Speaker 1: next to and on the phone with and what happened.
Speaker 1: And it doesn't always have to be that there is
Speaker 1: specific evidence that shows that you actually killed someone or
Speaker 1: you know, they don't they don't necessarily find the smoking gun.
Speaker 1: And so now we have a guest coming up who
Speaker 1: happens to be your friend, um, and so I think
Speaker 1: we should bring him in. And and this is somebody
Speaker 1: who's gonna talk to us about Rico. Law's firsthand, my brother,
Speaker 1: my friend, you know, my comrade, somebody that you know,
Speaker 1: we speak And I get a lot of jewels from
Speaker 1: who's been around in this industry, who's been around just
Speaker 1: in life a long time. And and it's an honorable individual.
Speaker 1: He is the CEO of Adventurous Music group my brother
Speaker 1: Chris gotty, what's going on came and something? Thank you
Speaker 1: to Maka, thank you for having me appreciate it. So
Speaker 1: before you came on, we were we were talking about
Speaker 1: the topic of um Rico laws as it relates to
Speaker 1: young Thug and Gonna and their situation and how you
Speaker 1: have so many different perspectives. You know, of course black
Speaker 1: folks know how to debate like no other, and so
Speaker 1: people online have all different types of feelings. But it
Speaker 1: seemed like there's a common thought that rico is a
Speaker 1: very dangerous, uh situation for anybody to get caught up in,
Speaker 1: because it doesn't always mean that there's a smoking gun
Speaker 1: in your hand, but just who you know, who you
Speaker 1: really be affiliated with, and sort of the conspiracy theory
Speaker 1: of what you could be involved in based upon whatever
Speaker 1: the government decides. And you said, you know firsthand about
Speaker 1: all of this, so why don't you tell us about
Speaker 1: your experience, what you've been through, and then how to
Speaker 1: you deal with it along with your brother? Wow, So
Speaker 1: you know, well, we went through we went through a
Speaker 1: federal investigation. I believe they're dealing with the state still
Speaker 1: that RICO which is like a criminal enterprise, which they're
Speaker 1: trying to make it like there's multiple people involved in
Speaker 1: knowing about some type of illegal activities and proceeding with
Speaker 1: whatever that might be. Um, you know, when I know,
Speaker 1: I text you on your your Instagram and it was
Speaker 1: really because I know how challenging it is, and I
Speaker 1: know my son and being what you've been through with
Speaker 1: in your own life, the challenge that come these things
Speaker 1: that that are going on right now, they put together
Speaker 1: is very strategic. It wasn't like it happened overnight. This
Speaker 1: is something that the government or the state put together
Speaker 1: for probably some time now before they actually came forward.
Speaker 1: Especially because they're famous, right because of their stature, they
Speaker 1: would not make moves out having some type of cooperation
Speaker 1: with somebody saying something. You know, we're we're actually in
Speaker 1: a criminal conversation right now. If you you know, this
Speaker 1: is what conspiring. You know, conspiracy is all about ort Rico.
Speaker 1: You know, once we start talking in these in these forums,
Speaker 1: in these capacity, you could say something I said or
Speaker 1: didn't say and make it like it's a real problem.
Speaker 1: And that's why it's so serious for these guys because
Speaker 1: how how many people they have involved. Uh, it's very
Speaker 1: difficult to to get out of these things, to navigate
Speaker 1: out of the situation, and in the way being my
Speaker 1: brother did it. The first thing we did was severed
Speaker 1: the case. We severed our case, which means we we
Speaker 1: took a different position from the others that might have
Speaker 1: been involved. Let's say in our case, Ken Ken of
Speaker 1: Supreme Griff, who's my brother, who's still with me to
Speaker 1: this day. Right, but we knew the government wanted them
Speaker 1: and he couldn't stand next to him in the sense
Speaker 1: of going in that court room with those same charges
Speaker 1: that he might be facing. Okay, that to make us
Speaker 1: face those same charges. I believe he was charged with.
Speaker 1: I think twenty two or I'm so good I can
Speaker 1: do one kind of stay one with them because because
Speaker 1: I don't think we actually was clear. Right. So, Chris
Speaker 1: Gotti is the brother of IRV Gotti and Murder Inc.
Speaker 1: Was under investigation. They had rico charges filed against them.
Speaker 1: Griff was also someone who was affiliated with them, but
Speaker 1: he was not part of Murder Ink, but he was
Speaker 1: had affiliation. They were friends, they were from like family,
Speaker 1: and you know, he was supposedly connected in some type
Speaker 1: of street dealings of weather and the federal government wanted
Speaker 1: to get him, so they pretty much attached these cases.
Speaker 1: So right now, what Chris is doing is explaining to
Speaker 1: you the process. And with him and his brother irv Al,
Speaker 1: he went about and being one of the few people
Speaker 1: to have actually be the Federico charge. Yes, and we
Speaker 1: went the whole way. See, most the reason to phase
Speaker 1: at the conviction is most people take the plea, they'll
Speaker 1: cop out, so that's a conviction. But you know that
Speaker 1: is what they're putting the pressure on these celebrities. They
Speaker 1: never thought me and my brother would go against them
Speaker 1: the whole way. Uh, because the offers they made us
Speaker 1: the police, they gave us was like unbelievable, Like it
Speaker 1: was so easy to say, okay, let's take it. But
Speaker 1: the problem was I had nothing to tell them, and
Speaker 1: that's what they wanted. They wanted some cooperation in order
Speaker 1: to get that plea. And there's nothing to say again.
Speaker 1: So if to go into detail about me and Kenny
Speaker 1: Supreme with Griff, uh, I'm from Hollis, Queens. He's from
Speaker 1: south Side. Hollis and south Side is all in one.
Speaker 1: We don't mix. We never did. I grew up my
Speaker 1: whole adolescent years fighting someone from South side like every day,
Speaker 1: literally every days, running through Friday like. So at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, people didn't realize we knew who
Speaker 1: he was in his heyday. He was a kingpin, he
Speaker 1: was a drug dealer, He did do those things. He
Speaker 1: went to jail, comes home after about twelve years after
Speaker 1: overturning his case, and we meet basically just like anyone
Speaker 1: else with me. I knew about him, I knew who
Speaker 1: he was, but I wasn't just running to him or
Speaker 1: trying to be his friend. He's the king of south Side,
Speaker 1: So imagine I'm fighting dudes from south Side all all
Speaker 1: the time, and he's the basically the boss of south Side,
Speaker 1: the king of the south Side that we meet. He
Speaker 1: was very slow paced, and that's how we became uh friends,
Speaker 1: the way we are to this day. We built a regular,
Speaker 1: normal friendship. So when he came home, he wasn't participating
Speaker 1: in all of those criminal acts that I knew about
Speaker 1: from back when he was the kingpin. He was different.
Speaker 1: He went in for twelve years, came home and didn't
Speaker 1: have the same relationships connects. All his other cohorts was
Speaker 1: locked up or dead, So it was a big difference, right,
Speaker 1: and then the him and try to paint this picture
Speaker 1: of this is who he was, and it just didn't
Speaker 1: make sense. But the reason I was going into severing
Speaker 1: the case, which I believe if uh Donna and Thugger's
Speaker 1: lawyers was really trying to do something properly, that would
Speaker 1: be the first step is to say, wait a minute,
Speaker 1: my these guys are celebrities, their stars, they intertwined with everyone.
Speaker 1: So in my case, what happened when we were into
Speaker 1: Courton pictures, You know, you started realizing you see me
Speaker 1: take all these pictures with people, but it starts telling
Speaker 1: the story that may not be really true. Because the
Speaker 1: story that was being painted for me and my brother
Speaker 1: was look at all these guys there, well, look at
Speaker 1: these pictures. Look and this is their history and their record,
Speaker 1: criminal records, and they're involved with them. And I'm like, no,
Speaker 1: we're celebrities, were just being nice taking pictures. I don't
Speaker 1: know these people, but it's our job now to prove
Speaker 1: that we don't really have a relationship. And a lot
Speaker 1: of these guys that we took pictures were started cooperative.
Speaker 1: Let right there. Yeah, so you the two of you
Speaker 1: had previous history, like criminal history from the past that
Speaker 1: they also sort of used to make the case that
Speaker 1: you are the same guys that you were. No no, no, no,
Speaker 1: not me and my brother. Okay, good, okay, not me
Speaker 1: and my brother was fresh and Tamika. I've been blessed
Speaker 1: to navigate through all of those ups and downs from
Speaker 1: my adolescent years, not saying I was a saint or
Speaker 1: wasn't doing things. I just never was involved in. There's
Speaker 1: no criminal record on me or my brother. But he
Speaker 1: took pictures with We're at the club and you're in
Speaker 1: the club and you're taking pictures with They have all
Speaker 1: these photos, you know, But that's it. That's important. This
Speaker 1: isn't important thing right here that you're saying, because I
Speaker 1: thought we were talking about Okay, you guys committed criminal
Speaker 1: acts in the past, and now these are some of
Speaker 1: the new people, and they're saying, well, look at y'all
Speaker 1: coming up. You're telling me you don't even have a record,
Speaker 1: no criminal past. And just because you were standing next
Speaker 1: to somebody and you take a picture with them, they're
Speaker 1: associating you or whatever this dude does when he leaves
Speaker 1: the club, but before he came over, not even that
Speaker 1: they're they're associated with the past. That the individual has
Speaker 1: exactly saying is when the man came home from prison,
Speaker 1: he wasn't even engaged in none of those activities, especially
Speaker 1: not around them. So so they they utilized this man's past,
Speaker 1: his criminal history to say, Okay, he's attached himself to
Speaker 1: this organization who's successful. There has to be crime involved
Speaker 1: in this. And I'm gonna tell you the mindset that
Speaker 1: then why they're doing that because they feel once should
Speaker 1: become successful, you should not be messing with your people
Speaker 1: like that. That is really like. They used to come
Speaker 1: to my house every day defense while while before the
Speaker 1: trial started, and they would come to my house trying
Speaker 1: to get me to cooperate, and my lawyer would say,
Speaker 1: don't talk to him. I said, I'm not gonna tell nothing.
Speaker 1: I'm just curiousy what they're thinking. And one of the
Speaker 1: main things their main agenda with me was your part.
Speaker 1: Why would you give up all this money you're making right?
Speaker 1: Why would you jeopardize this business? We was at nine
Speaker 1: figures at the time. Why would you jeopardize this for him?
Speaker 1: If you don't tell on him or cooperate with us,
Speaker 1: you'll be sitting right next to him because he will
Speaker 1: go to jail, and that was the mindset and that
Speaker 1: was the pressure basically me and my brother, because it
Speaker 1: wasn't just me, my brother was My brother was getting
Speaker 1: the same visits. He was getting the same conversations at
Speaker 1: the same damn time, Like they was going to his
Speaker 1: house and they're coming to my house eight in the morning.
Speaker 1: It was so bad that I would just open the
Speaker 1: door and go back to bed and then wait, get
Speaker 1: back up in another hour and they be in my
Speaker 1: living room waiting to talk. That's how serious it was.
Speaker 1: You know, I have friends that was inconstrating. Thing was
Speaker 1: telling me how they was going into their cells every day, okay,
Speaker 1: to to to get them to cooperate or tell them
Speaker 1: about me or my brother something we was involved in,
Speaker 1: anything just to build their cakes. Like there's no ends
Speaker 1: to how the thought they would go. And um, one
Speaker 1: of the main things that I did, you know, financially
Speaker 1: is the main reason we are free. I could probably
Speaker 1: sit and ask my song right now, if he had money,
Speaker 1: would he did his time? Like he probably couldn't fight
Speaker 1: the fight he needed to fight to protect his freedom.
Speaker 1: And it wasn't But it wasn't just money. It was
Speaker 1: also knowledge, right because yes, you look to me for
Speaker 1: You're right. I didn't know, but I wouldn't have needed
Speaker 1: that knowledge if I had the right lawyer. Right, my
Speaker 1: lawyer had a right amount of money lawyer, And if
Speaker 1: I would if I would have had the right Listen
Speaker 1: what I'm trying to tell you. If I had the right,
Speaker 1: if I was worth twenty million dollars, somebody was set
Speaker 1: this that Listen, This lawyer right here is the only
Speaker 1: lawyer taking your case. I don't care. Would nothing happened.
Speaker 1: They would have They would have protected that interest to
Speaker 1: the point where it would have been no way that
Speaker 1: that would have happened. And this is the when I
Speaker 1: seen your posts. This was why it moved me so much,
Speaker 1: because these brothers need help to understand that they have
Speaker 1: financial power. They could help, they could fight. Now. I
Speaker 1: don't know what they did or didn't do, but I
Speaker 1: know these steps that needs to happen immediately. The first
Speaker 1: thing I did also was I hired it a private investigator,
Speaker 1: a private investigator to investigate everyone around me. I told
Speaker 1: all my people, we're investigating everyone next to us, so
Speaker 1: if you have a problem, you're gonna get caught. If
Speaker 1: and again, it kind of shakes up everything. But guess
Speaker 1: what what would you pay for my especially my son,
Speaker 1: or what would you pay for to know all your
Speaker 1: people is good? Because that's what I got, whatever I
Speaker 1: had to whatever. I had found two people in this
Speaker 1: whole investigation that was no good, but they weren't cooperating
Speaker 1: against me. They was cooperating with other people in other
Speaker 1: cases against other people. So two people out of maybe
Speaker 1: about sixties and seventy people that we investigated was no good.
Speaker 1: Everyone else came up clean. So that's peace of mind.
Speaker 1: That's first in this former They need to know who's
Speaker 1: not working with like who's o operating, who's not, and
Speaker 1: those two people. As soon as I found out that
Speaker 1: was going on, even though it wasn't justast me, I
Speaker 1: never talked to him again, no more interaction with him. Right,
Speaker 1: it was over. That's it. And then the next part
Speaker 1: that I did that was very important to the trial
Speaker 1: was a jury selector. And again I learned this on
Speaker 1: the fly. I didn't know it going in. This is
Speaker 1: all conversation with my loyalge Germans Shop yo um. And
Speaker 1: again when I talked to him, he was like, we
Speaker 1: probably need to get this jury selected. And I was
Speaker 1: like Okay, I think I know someone. His name is
Speaker 1: Josh Steuben. He's still in business. He's absolutely the best.
Speaker 1: You need to know. Like, I didn't know none of
Speaker 1: this about how you. I knew there was a process
Speaker 1: of picking juris, right, but I didn't know how deep
Speaker 1: you could go into actually questioning jurys. He made questionnaires
Speaker 1: that they had and so imagine at the time if
Speaker 1: I had a jury's juris that potentially was fifty cent fans. Right,
Speaker 1: This is one of the biggest things when you're celebrity
Speaker 1: now they need to do the same thing. What if
Speaker 1: they got juries on their jury that don't like them,
Speaker 1: you have to eliminate them people because because I heard
Speaker 1: them saying something about why and Lucci or something, and
Speaker 1: they're beefing with them, and then something with Little Wayne.
Speaker 1: So if they have people who are like supporters of
Speaker 1: those individuals, those people are not even really there to
Speaker 1: listen to facts. They're just waiting for the time to
Speaker 1: say you did it exactly. That was the biggest one
Speaker 1: of these. These are like the reasons when I when
Speaker 1: in hindsight, why we was able to do what we
Speaker 1: didn't win, It was all of these factors there's more
Speaker 1: to it. I'm gonna go through, but these were some
Speaker 1: of the main ones. Probably investigatives. Investigate the entire circumference
Speaker 1: of your circle. Everybody, I don't care, everybody gets checked out.
Speaker 1: They need to do that in the movement. We need
Speaker 1: to do that in the movement and tell pro that's
Speaker 1: just black folks who are successful in general need to
Speaker 1: take on that approach to check it everybody around you.
Speaker 1: Do you know what I want to say before you,
Speaker 1: I was interviewing my man Tone for Queens, and Tone
Speaker 1: said the same exact thing that you said. He said
Speaker 1: with him and his co defend that got locked up
Speaker 1: because they were so business minded and they had turned
Speaker 1: a lot of their resources into property. They owned a
Speaker 1: whole lot of stuff in South Jamaica, a lot of laundry,
Speaker 1: mass and all that that. They said that they were
Speaker 1: more of a threat than the more notorious people because
Speaker 1: they were legitimizing their businesses. So he said the main
Speaker 1: reason that they wanted them off the streets because they
Speaker 1: knew that they were leaving the game, and they were
Speaker 1: smart enough and they were making that money and turn
Speaker 1: it into something that was legitimized. So they really had
Speaker 1: it out for them more than they had it out
Speaker 1: for everybody else. I'm telling you what the I'll go
Speaker 1: through all the the office they made me because they
Speaker 1: broke all federal guidelines to make me my brother office
Speaker 1: to get to to look just so we would cooperate
Speaker 1: and tell and I would put a thousand people up
Speaker 1: on that same situation. I'm gonna tell you, probably nine
Speaker 1: ninety nine will take that offer because we were facing
Speaker 1: twenty years. We had offers for no jail time, just probation.
Speaker 1: But we had to tell just my lawyers was like, Chris,
Speaker 1: I don't know what to tell you. I don't he said,
Speaker 1: he doesn't work with anyone that is cooperating with the government.
Speaker 1: Chark Dell would not take any client that would work
Speaker 1: with the government, so he said, but these offers are unbelievable.
Speaker 1: I can't guarantee twelve people are gonna find you innocent.
Speaker 1: He said that, you know, it was unbelievable. And uh,
Speaker 1: if you was to talk to Earth, Earth may not
Speaker 1: know all these details because Earth was really a difference.
Speaker 1: He wasn't involved with the lawyers. I was there from
Speaker 1: the first day last day. My lawyers said, Christian, make
Speaker 1: the snowball I throw. So what that meant was I
Speaker 1: had to give them all the information of what was
Speaker 1: really going on in our lives and how we really
Speaker 1: worked with people and how we did business so he
Speaker 1: could protect us from a legal standpoint. That's the next
Speaker 1: part to what I'm getting to is these guys have
Speaker 1: to trust their attorney to talk to them openly, truthfully,
Speaker 1: because they're the only ones that could save them right now,
Speaker 1: right because the government's gonna twist everything. Like their biggest problem,
Speaker 1: and I'm sure they're having that same situation is our language.
Speaker 1: They don't understand our cultures language, They didn't understand how
Speaker 1: we spoke. So back then there was sky tell pages
Speaker 1: and we was texting, So I have over sixty thousands
Speaker 1: sky tell page messages that I had to go through
Speaker 1: to see what we were saying. And they didn't know
Speaker 1: how to translate what we were saying, so they was
Speaker 1: looking at it from a whole different perspective than then.
Speaker 1: When I told my lawyer, he crushed them right away
Speaker 1: because they was like, that's so wrong. This is what
Speaker 1: this really meant. Even when one day it was a
Speaker 1: simple post like telling prem about you know, he asked
Speaker 1: me to get the five hundred, talking about the Mercedes beings, right,
Speaker 1: simple as that. And then we were talking about crystal crystal.
Speaker 1: My daughter, I have to get crystal crystals, and they're
Speaker 1: thinking it's crystal to drink with celebrating because this happened
Speaker 1: over here, this murder took place, and I'm like, what
Speaker 1: the hell are they talking about? And that's how they
Speaker 1: portrayed it. Now, if you can't um, go back and
Speaker 1: see how you was talking and understand that language, you
Speaker 1: can't protect yourself from that either. See, and that was
Speaker 1: a big deal. That's why they take in. That's why
Speaker 1: they cannot survive without someone telling you knowed, the success
Speaker 1: is because someone is telling and they're getting this information.
Speaker 1: They don't know what we do. They have no clue.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm trying to and that's what I'm trying
Speaker 1: to explain to you. And and people have this thing that, oh,
Speaker 1: you want to protect street culture and you want to
Speaker 1: protect you know, the thugs and all this, and in
Speaker 1: this case, right there, innocent people. Right, they're innocent people
Speaker 1: who are in an organization. And because someone is weak
Speaker 1: and scared to do it with anything, they will make
Speaker 1: up stories. They will tell fabrications. They will do anything
Speaker 1: to get that probation and that no jail time because
Speaker 1: somebody says you're facing twenty years. So this is what
Speaker 1: I'm trying to talk about. A weak individual. This is
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about when I talk about snitches and rats.
Speaker 1: When you running legitimate organization and you have people surrounded
Speaker 1: by you that's doing the right thing, and you have
Speaker 1: these weak individuals who who who've been side by side
Speaker 1: and know what you've been doing and being with you
Speaker 1: every day and willing to sell you out because they
Speaker 1: don't want to deal with anything. Those individuals do not
Speaker 1: deserve any type of beliefs you. I don't want those
Speaker 1: type people around me. I don't want to celebrate them.
Speaker 1: They're not doing a good deed. They're not a good citizen,
Speaker 1: they're not individual my soide that resonates for me so
Speaker 1: so much because our case was it up because of
Speaker 1: a guy that I hired who was homeless, that I taught,
Speaker 1: and I said, I'll give him an opportunity. He was
Speaker 1: working for our street team. I would see them there.
Speaker 1: The first person is in the office was me. He
Speaker 1: was there, last person leaving was me. He was there.
Speaker 1: And I said, damn, he's a hard worker. Then one
Speaker 1: day I come in my office, opened my bottom drawing.
Speaker 1: I see clothes in it, so I go crazy. I
Speaker 1: called Dex, my my street team guy, and I was like, Dex,
Speaker 1: who the hell is putting close in my office? And
Speaker 1: we find out it's this guy named Darnelle Nichols. He
Speaker 1: was homeless. He's telling me he has no money. He's homeless.
Speaker 1: He's working as an internal street team and he needs money,
Speaker 1: but he wants to be part of murdering. I said, listen,
Speaker 1: I can't just give I don't just do that. You
Speaker 1: can't live here. And I give him a job and
Speaker 1: I teach him how to actually do royalties and publishing,
Speaker 1: and I said, yo, yoll help me with all the
Speaker 1: royalties and publishing side. Because he was good on the computer,
Speaker 1: put in his spreadsheets everything, and that's what he did.
Speaker 1: He started stealing uh the scot Tell pages and you
Speaker 1: remember they would get to me legally turned on and
Speaker 1: so you didn't have to pay the monthly feet and
Speaker 1: he because he was a smart computer guy, that's what
Speaker 1: he was doing. He gets caught with that by the
Speaker 1: feeds and then gives up the story. Saying murder Rink
Speaker 1: was doing all this. Chris is this or is that?
Speaker 1: And that's basically that's basically how the whole case started. Um.
Speaker 1: You know, in grand jury testimony, they applauded him for
Speaker 1: coming forward. But here's a guy that just was trying
Speaker 1: to save his ass to give up a story about
Speaker 1: murder Rink. He would talking about all the cash that
Speaker 1: came in. But I was a big gambling back then.
Speaker 1: I'm still a gambling but not like I used to be.
Speaker 1: They took my gambling book and seeing I was gambling
Speaker 1: one point eight million dollars a week. This is how
Speaker 1: much money I was making with my brother and Jock,
Speaker 1: because it wasn't just me, it was all three of
Speaker 1: us betting one sports. And when they've seen that that,
Speaker 1: I'm like, who's gonna money under a million dollars and
Speaker 1: gamble one point eight in a week? It just the
Speaker 1: case didn't make any sense. That's how frivolous it was.
Speaker 1: But the course of us over fourteen million dollars to
Speaker 1: protect our freedom, oh my god, oh yeah to me,
Speaker 1: my my attorney. The reason I picked General Sharp Girl.
Speaker 1: I went to every high attorney in New York City,
Speaker 1: every one of them. I walk in the office, and
Speaker 1: what's the first thing they tell me? The retainer. I'm like,
Speaker 1: if I walk in your office, I'm not worried about
Speaker 1: a retainer. I'm worried about how are you going to
Speaker 1: protect me? Sel never talked money. Did I know he's
Speaker 1: gonna be a three million dollar retainer? Yes, But he
Speaker 1: never talked money. He talked about how he could work
Speaker 1: for me, his relationships in the courtroom. He gave me
Speaker 1: all his like insight and knowledge. And I said, as
Speaker 1: soon as I met him, I'm messing with him. No.
Speaker 1: I went to the best black man according to what
Speaker 1: they told me, which was Ted Wells, and he was
Speaker 1: right away sharp suit walking. He's like, yeah, he you
Speaker 1: know the swag. And he's telling me three million not
Speaker 1: a retainer. But I'm like, can we talk about Yeah, Like,
Speaker 1: if I'm in your office, I'm not worried about three million.
Speaker 1: I have that. And that was we went over that.
Speaker 1: That was just the start. Just understand and before we
Speaker 1: got to him, before we got to him and Earth
Speaker 1: took General left court, same pertainer before we got to him. Uh,
Speaker 1: we had hired this firm because that we I didn't
Speaker 1: realize again my ignorance was I was under investigation. I
Speaker 1: didn't know. I had to get attorneys and everything to
Speaker 1: protect myself. And I'm only under investigation, which means technically
Speaker 1: they're just looking at to see if there's something going
Speaker 1: on or whatever. And basically I was like okay, and
Speaker 1: I didn't I was paying this high price attorney or
Speaker 1: this law firm, K Shoulder, K Shoulder, I mean every month,
Speaker 1: I mean hundreds and hundreds of thousands of dollars. They
Speaker 1: received millions before we even got to a real attorney.
Speaker 1: So again, these guys have a lot to make sure
Speaker 1: they they're thinking about. And you know, when I seen
Speaker 1: their lawyer put in to get them out of um
Speaker 1: the jail for a bond, because condition, as soon as
Speaker 1: I've seen it, I'm like, he's a clown that jail.
Speaker 1: But the bottom the country. A lot of times, these
Speaker 1: like he said, these lawyers that bleed you right now,
Speaker 1: they get retaining fees every time they go to the court.
Speaker 1: They need a certain amount of money. They go that
Speaker 1: they know that you're not gonna get. They're not gonna
Speaker 1: sit there and say listen more thing like you're not
Speaker 1: gonna get a bond on this. But let's put together
Speaker 1: some ship that's really giving you an opportunity to say, Okay,
Speaker 1: this bond, this, this request right here really makes sense.
Speaker 1: So now you get you trying to go for a
Speaker 1: bond sixty times and you're wearing out. You're wearing out
Speaker 1: this ship because now the jail is like you're just
Speaker 1: throwing up anything to say some whereas you come to them. Okay, listen,
Speaker 1: based on this evidence, based on this, boom boom boom,
Speaker 1: my client is this, My client has this, he has
Speaker 1: family as this, he's stationary, all these things, we're gonna
Speaker 1: ask for bond, We're gonna ask he be in his home.
Speaker 1: That's what real lawyers do. They don't just randomly throw
Speaker 1: out these requests. But these people want to be able
Speaker 1: to go to court and get pay to go to court.
Speaker 1: But let me just say this, and we've we've got
Speaker 1: we have the uh, the advocates and family of Julius
Speaker 1: Jones who was on death row um not long ago,
Speaker 1: and we all got together organized and fight to get
Speaker 1: him off death row. Uh. He's his family is coming
Speaker 1: up next and so we've got to cut our time.
Speaker 1: But it's two things I want to say one is
Speaker 1: that also the way the media tells the story about
Speaker 1: what happened in court can be excused. So it could
Speaker 1: have been a bunch of motions that were filed and
Speaker 1: one of them happened. What I'm trying to tell you
Speaker 1: is that the time that the motion time, it doesn't
Speaker 1: make sense because it takes you time to really come
Speaker 1: up with You get from the family. You want to
Speaker 1: get heart felt letters from the daughter. You want to
Speaker 1: put together a real thing that when you presented that
Speaker 1: they're looking at and say, Okay, this person is not
Speaker 1: really a threat at this point, even though we were
Speaker 1: gonna go to trial, but we want he can be
Speaker 1: in his home, he can be confined to his home.
Speaker 1: You want to put together the best possible thing that
Speaker 1: you can. And and again, these guys are very big celebrities.
Speaker 1: I don't know them personally. I know you know some
Speaker 1: people inside of them, but they're very big celebrities. They're
Speaker 1: not a flight risk. They they you know, that's what
Speaker 1: the government or the state is concerned about why they
Speaker 1: wouldn't release them. They're not leaving. They're gonna show up
Speaker 1: in court and face their the music, and then you
Speaker 1: know they don't want them to actually make money. That's
Speaker 1: the other part, because they know with money, you could
Speaker 1: protect yourself, you could fight. You know, one of the
Speaker 1: things they did with us is they made Universal our partner,
Speaker 1: cooperate with them, and Universal cooperating with the government and
Speaker 1: stop paying us. So at the end of that trial,
Speaker 1: I ran out of money. I have no problem telling
Speaker 1: you I ran out of money. Earth had who made
Speaker 1: a lot more money than me, and the music career
Speaker 1: right he um finished off for me. But they Universe
Speaker 1: Will absolutely stopped paying us illegally because they knew we
Speaker 1: can't fight two fights, right, we can't fight that guerrilla
Speaker 1: and this went on the same at the same time.
Speaker 1: So they you know, they made the sign a contract
Speaker 1: in the middle of our trial that if we go
Speaker 1: to jail. This is how we actually got them to
Speaker 1: pay us the money, they would do us. If we
Speaker 1: go to jail, they own a hundred percent of murdering. Wow, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was. It was crazy, but we needed the money
Speaker 1: and we did it god willing, and we won. So
Speaker 1: we ended up owning the murder in a hundred percent.
Speaker 1: And then when we come back, they don't sign us back.
Speaker 1: They didn't want to give us a deal. Took us
Speaker 1: over two years to get back to the music business.
Speaker 1: People don't interact that happened. Um inside of that. You know,
Speaker 1: the documentary is coming out, so it's gonna be pretty strong,
Speaker 1: uh into this mouthing on b T five part series. Well,
Speaker 1: I just want to say that Chris, you one of
Speaker 1: the most stand up individuals I know, you know, one
Speaker 1: of the most respected dudes anywhere you go. There's a
Speaker 1: level of respect that you receiven is because you've always
Speaker 1: carried yourself with on it and I respect that, you know.
Speaker 1: And God, God did what you're supposed to do for you, man,
Speaker 1: and that's why you're here today. I just want you
Speaker 1: to you know, before you leave. Man. A lot of
Speaker 1: these artists, you know, again caught up in this reco
Speaker 1: especially as these young kids a get snatched stuff. They're
Speaker 1: on the internet, they're doing all these things. Do you
Speaker 1: have any advice, give some advice for these young boys,
Speaker 1: because the rico is just a new it's a new thing.
Speaker 1: Help you get a reco you get a rico charge?
Speaker 1: What advice when you get these young artists that's on
Speaker 1: the internet and they you know, doing a lot, what
Speaker 1: would you say the dollar question my son, because it's
Speaker 1: so hard because it's it's like keeping it real, and
Speaker 1: then what's that expression from keeping the real goes from
Speaker 1: see when you're in a position of financial position where
Speaker 1: you actually could change life for your family's life financially,
Speaker 1: to empower him with that ability from the career you
Speaker 1: chose from this music, you have to be very conscious
Speaker 1: that it's not just yourself. So you know, you've got
Speaker 1: to be conscious that this is what you're really risking
Speaker 1: when you do anything outside of the proper lifestyle you
Speaker 1: should be living. You know, you have to understand that.
Speaker 1: You know, the older we get, the less we want
Speaker 1: to be involved with anything. You know, when we're young,
Speaker 1: we're not as in that same mindset. You know. I
Speaker 1: tell everyone when I got over and put the gun
Speaker 1: down and I was, I would be you know, I
Speaker 1: would remember you know Russell Russell Simmons always telling us
Speaker 1: stop to be stop this stop that I understand why
Speaker 1: he was doing it because in in business, street business
Speaker 1: or well music, I want to do a class action
Speaker 1: lawsuits against him, but that's another story. But with business,
Speaker 1: I mean with street stuff, any violence stops the business.
Speaker 1: A body happens that they shut the whole block. Now
Speaker 1: everything's gone, everything stopped. Every Body suffers when any violence happened.
Speaker 1: So you have to understand that as a younger person,
Speaker 1: which most don't, and that's why it's like the gift
Speaker 1: in the courage. They just don't get it. But they
Speaker 1: need to really be accountable for their actions, and then
Speaker 1: they would make better decisions, especially if they knew the consequences,
Speaker 1: because they might know what the the consequence but not think
Speaker 1: about it well, and if they not felt it enough
Speaker 1: to understand how real it is, right, because it's it's
Speaker 1: just it's it's a lot of unhinged activity happening right now,
Speaker 1: and we've got to go. I need to invite you back,
Speaker 1: and I hope my son is okay with you that
Speaker 1: we put together a panel to talk about lyrics and names.
Speaker 1: Sure I remember when I mean, I I was you know. However,
Speaker 1: it was long ago, twenty years ago when this was
Speaker 1: happening to you. I was working with a bunch of
Speaker 1: pastors and I remember sitting in a church and a
Speaker 1: pastor was you guys were in the news. It was
Speaker 1: a Sunday morning. Woke up, y'all are all over the
Speaker 1: cover of the newspaper, and they were talking about the situation,
Speaker 1: and the pastor said, if you call your company Murder Inc.
Speaker 1: And your name is Dotty, and y'all are basically celebrating
Speaker 1: the mob and the mafia, then what do you think
Speaker 1: is gonna happen? Right? And obviously they're saying that we're
Speaker 1: gonna Doug and I want I want us to talk
Speaker 1: about and we can't do it today, but I really
Speaker 1: want us to talk about what you think now that
Speaker 1: you are older, would you make the same decisions? And
Speaker 1: you know, what do you think about the lyrics and
Speaker 1: also the titles that we call But you can't answer
Speaker 1: it now go back. But that's a great question. And
Speaker 1: I have the great answers for everything you're saying. They're like,
Speaker 1: it's really strong. But again to the pastor, again he
Speaker 1: should he should realize he shouldn't pass judge. Of course,
Speaker 1: you know that's the that's number one. So when he says,
Speaker 1: you know, when someone throws stones, you kind of look
Speaker 1: at them, at them because they don't understand the culture.
Speaker 1: They don't understand what we are. They don't understand who
Speaker 1: I am as a man. To make the judge. They're
Speaker 1: just reading what they're being said, and that's what you see.
Speaker 1: That's right with the you know, with that jury selector.
Speaker 1: Just to touch again and how important that is. Um,
Speaker 1: we made sure that they couldn't see things, they didn't
Speaker 1: have opinions of our music or anything like that, because
Speaker 1: they might be that pastor and when he hears the information,
Speaker 1: he may be biased and not really listen to the truth,
Speaker 1: you know, And that's the problem. That's that is the
Speaker 1: problem with social media. You know, they could see so
Speaker 1: much today. Thank god it wasn't in that era, because man,
Speaker 1: it would have been even harder to stop those jurors
Speaker 1: to go home and not see it and hear it
Speaker 1: and read it on the ongoing basis and who knows
Speaker 1: what their opinions turned out to be. Well, we love
Speaker 1: you so much and appreciate you know, let's let's let's
Speaker 1: continue these conversations because the people want to be educated.
Speaker 1: And that's what I posted. I just wanted to be
Speaker 1: educated because I don't know. It's not my world and
Speaker 1: I'm not people to try to act like I know
Speaker 1: something I don't and I'm not ashamed to tell the
Speaker 1: world that I don't know. And I thought so we
Speaker 1: love you, We thank you, and we'll we'll be back
Speaker 1: again with another conversation that gets a little bit deeper
Speaker 1: about that judgment in our communities. Yeah, definitely, thank you,
Speaker 1: all right, appreciate you. Appreciate. So you all know that
Speaker 1: we try to keep up with our stories. We try
Speaker 1: to be a place at street Politicians where my son
Speaker 1: and I will you know, have a topic and come
Speaker 1: back and talk about it and we follow up. We
Speaker 1: try to make sure that we don't just sort of
Speaker 1: leave things as a one off because there's a struggle,
Speaker 1: there's a fight. There is a continued struggle for justice,
Speaker 1: struggle for accountability, struggle for our communities, and uh, it
Speaker 1: doesn't really do us any justice to talk about these
Speaker 1: issues and not continue to work. And we try to
Speaker 1: tell y'all this all the time that these fights that
Speaker 1: were up against it requires everybody to keep your eyes
Speaker 1: on it all the time, to remember to continue to
Speaker 1: support if it's financially, if it's physically showing up at
Speaker 1: a rally, it's not just the one off situation. November
Speaker 1: eighteenth of two thousand and twenty one was a very
Speaker 1: very serious and significant day um where Julius Jones was
Speaker 1: set to be executed. And because of the work, the fight,
Speaker 1: the struggle, and the demands of the people, his family
Speaker 1: leading the charge and other organizers, we were all collectively
Speaker 1: able to stop that execution. But there is still work
Speaker 1: to be done because Julius wanted to be free and
Speaker 1: he should be free. And you all out there who
Speaker 1: are listening, you are a part of it. You are
Speaker 1: part of the fight. And of course i'm you know,
Speaker 1: sure you've heard family members and others thanking us all
Speaker 1: for coming together. But the fight is not over. It
Speaker 1: is not over because Julius is still sitting in a
Speaker 1: prison and he needs to be released. He is sitting
Speaker 1: there for a crime he did not commit. Um And
Speaker 1: if you don't remember Julius Jones, if you and there's
Speaker 1: so much happening, you might be like, wow, what which
Speaker 1: one was that? You know, you can't really remember. Julius
Speaker 1: Jones was framed for killing a white business owner while
Speaker 1: this man um who he was in a car with
Speaker 1: his family and was shot in his driveway. And of
Speaker 1: course that is horrific. It's horrible, and the right person
Speaker 1: or those individuals who were involved with it, they should
Speaker 1: be held accountable. But Julius was not the shooter, um,
Speaker 1: and and he needs to be free. So today we
Speaker 1: are joined by two individuals who would just give us
Speaker 1: an update on what's happening with Julius, where he is
Speaker 1: and where's the process and how can we continue to engage.
Speaker 1: First is Reverend C. C. Jones uh C. C. Jones Davis,
Speaker 1: who is the campaign director for Justice for Julius. So
Speaker 1: she was the one that kept us all together and
Speaker 1: kept you know, for lack of a better way of describing,
Speaker 1: at the whip on us that we could not stop,
Speaker 1: we could not give up. And then also we have
Speaker 1: um miss Antoninette Jones, who is Julius's sister. And then
Speaker 1: I don't know if you watched the news to see
Speaker 1: people talking about Julius and his family members and social
Speaker 1: media accounts, but this sister is no joke. She was
Speaker 1: serious about making sure that her brother's life was not
Speaker 1: taken uh, and it's serious about to continue fight. So
Speaker 1: thank you ladies for coming and my son, I just
Speaker 1: talked so much, I didn't even give you space to
Speaker 1: you know, when you're seeing the right thing, I want
Speaker 1: to stop you. Man. These are two queens who for
Speaker 1: for this brother tooth and nail, and you know I
Speaker 1: had I happened to witness it happen to be there
Speaker 1: when we got the news that he wouldn't be executed,
Speaker 1: and just to see everyone rejoicing, you know. And now
Speaker 1: we have a different fight now that we stopped the execution.
Speaker 1: We gotta get this man's freedom back, because as you
Speaker 1: said that he is innocent of these charges. So we
Speaker 1: just want to get an update from you, ladies. What
Speaker 1: what is going on? How is Julius? What is the
Speaker 1: next stages? What should we be doing? Let us know
Speaker 1: and answer that. Let's start with you as his sister. UM,
Speaker 1: you know, where where is Julius mentally? Because I know
Speaker 1: he told a lot of people that you know, he
Speaker 1: thought it would be death or freedom, but not this
Speaker 1: sort of in between place where he's still caged. Um?
Speaker 1: So where where is he now mentally? And where are
Speaker 1: you and your family? UM? Honestly, he has a lot
Speaker 1: of up and downs. UM, just coming to the conclusion
Speaker 1: that you know, man, this this governor put this executive
Speaker 1: order on their Um. He did not take the uh
Speaker 1: like I I can't get over the fact that he
Speaker 1: put that executive order either. But Julius is He's doing
Speaker 1: as best as possible for a man that just got
Speaker 1: off of death row death watch, Um, four hours from
Speaker 1: from a scheduled execution. UM. Remarkably, God has to stay
Speaker 1: in his mind. Um. His heart is not hardened. Um.
Speaker 1: He still he still wants to live and live outside.
Speaker 1: He still wants to help his community. He still wants to,
Speaker 1: you know, do so much. And he still has hope.
Speaker 1: And that's the that's the main thing that we that
Speaker 1: we grasp two is the fact that he has hope
Speaker 1: and he it is challenging for him day to day
Speaker 1: with different things that come at him. Um, but he's
Speaker 1: he's doing he's doing as best as possible for someone
Speaker 1: that just got off death watch. UM. Watch death watch.
Speaker 1: Because you said death row and then you said deathwatch,
Speaker 1: which is obviously two different situations. I mean it's the
Speaker 1: same thing, but there's something specific about death watch. Why
Speaker 1: don't you talk a little bit about what that looked like?
Speaker 1: And down to the last hours, there were things happening
Speaker 1: to Julius that to me was in humane. So he
Speaker 1: had he had a lot of things taken away from
Speaker 1: When you go to deathwatch, that's basically you're for pain
Speaker 1: for you're in these different cells that they move you
Speaker 1: closer to the death chamber. And so he moves. I
Speaker 1: forgot if it's every week or every every so often.
Speaker 1: He he has seen the death chamber, but he's in
Speaker 1: these he's in these different cells each time that he's
Speaker 1: being moved down. He has a limited um limited contact
Speaker 1: with family, UM limited phone calls that he can make.
Speaker 1: He doesn't have, like he can't have a lot of books.
Speaker 1: He can maybe have like his Bible and maybe some
Speaker 1: pen and paper. UM is he always has he has
Speaker 1: lights shining on him seven. So you know, I just
Speaker 1: that's I don't understand that, Like that's that's treating somebody
Speaker 1: worse than the animal that's caged up. You know, Like
Speaker 1: what's the purpose of that? You know? Um? And in
Speaker 1: the last twenty four hours is it or forty forty
Speaker 1: eight hours? Was he restricted from lots of movement? UM?
Speaker 1: I want to say, I want to say it might
Speaker 1: be the last twenty four I want to I want
Speaker 1: to say that. But and then they also give you
Speaker 1: some kind of you have a choice to take some
Speaker 1: kind of medicine that that like relaxes you. And he
Speaker 1: chose not to take that. And I had told him,
Speaker 1: you know that he would not be strapped to the
Speaker 1: to the table. You know. I just kept telling him that,
Speaker 1: you know, believe that you're gonna have your freedom, you know.
Speaker 1: And he was like, Ned, I don't know if I
Speaker 1: can take living in prison the rest of my life.
Speaker 1: You know. He said, I'm I'm ready to go either way.
Speaker 1: And I was like, man, don't talk, don't talk like that.
Speaker 1: You know. I just had to keep enforcing. Like that
Speaker 1: last phone call. I had to keep telling him, no,
Speaker 1: this is the last phone call for this evening. I
Speaker 1: was like, I'm gonna see you tomorro, I'm gonna see
Speaker 1: you tomorrow. I'm gonna see you like I think it
Speaker 1: was Sunday. And we never got that in contact visitation
Speaker 1: before the scheduled execution. But God God provided away. He
Speaker 1: He had told me early on to call and set
Speaker 1: up a visitation. You know, I refused to read that
Speaker 1: um invitation to my brother's execution, so Ceci had to
Speaker 1: read hers. She literally had to read hers for me
Speaker 1: to understand what all things needed to be done. You know,
Speaker 1: I just I refused to accept that that evil, that evil.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna cuss, but I refused except that evil
Speaker 1: invitation and the fact that they sent one to my
Speaker 1: mom and my dad, like, that's so evil. But um,
Speaker 1: that last conversation, I just had to keep reinforcing. You know,
Speaker 1: you go see your son one day. You're gonna be
Speaker 1: out one day. You know, I'm gonna see you. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get to hug you. And the process of
Speaker 1: you getting out is gonna be soon. And I hate
Speaker 1: that it's not soon. It's not soon enough, you know.
Speaker 1: But he the fact that he got to talk to
Speaker 1: his son and he hadn't talked to him and alone. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna be honest, he hadn't talked to him
Speaker 1: and about since the young man was eight and the
Speaker 1: young man is gonna be twenty three. He's never got
Speaker 1: to hold him or hug him. And I kept telling him,
Speaker 1: you're going You're going to do that one day, you know. Um.
Speaker 1: Just it was a lot of reinforcing because he was
Speaker 1: he wasn't playing. He was ready to either go to
Speaker 1: heaven or get out. And it was hard seeing my mom.
Speaker 1: My mom does not cry like and I mean that
Speaker 1: because she's like, she is so strong, she holds so
Speaker 1: much together. I'll tell I take my you know, whatever
Speaker 1: she's doing, I take my leave from what she's doing.
Speaker 1: And a lot of people like, well, you're you're like
Speaker 1: his fiercest you know, advocate, and I was like, don't
Speaker 1: don't say that, because my mom is like my mom
Speaker 1: and my dad. Yeah, they hold us together. They may
Speaker 1: not be visible all the time, but they hold us together.
Speaker 1: And another cruel thing, but it was also a blessing.
Speaker 1: And I knew that my brother wouldn't be executed because
Speaker 1: my dad started dialysis that morning of the scheduled execution.
Speaker 1: So I was like, I'm either gonne, you know, stay
Speaker 1: strong for my dad and you know, be positive for him,
Speaker 1: dropping him off and then coming to pick him up,
Speaker 1: or I'm going to head down to McAlister early in
Speaker 1: the morning. God said you go whenever you're ready to go,
Speaker 1: CC asked me, you know, she said, whenever you're ready
Speaker 1: to go down there, We're gonna go down there, you know.
Speaker 1: And just having calm people around me and not people
Speaker 1: that are you already been fed until he supposed to
Speaker 1: be executed, you know, it was like the and I
Speaker 1: don't mean to put anybody on the spot, it was
Speaker 1: like I had to reinforce to other people that that
Speaker 1: were trying to They were trying to, you know, be
Speaker 1: there for us. At the gas station. There were so
Speaker 1: many people that came up and was hugging me and crying,
Speaker 1: and I was like, look, it's not over with. You know,
Speaker 1: all is well. God is telling me all is well.
Speaker 1: Not to day, not to that that day. C c Yeah,
Speaker 1: talk to us, tell us where where we I mean,
Speaker 1: we're hearing from answering that what we already know. It
Speaker 1: was the worst feeling, but their faith held them together. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you. Let me start by saying, thank
Speaker 1: you all so much for for everything. Thank you for
Speaker 1: sharing this with your audience. Thank you for being on
Speaker 1: the ground in Oklahoma. There were you know, this was,
Speaker 1: This has been and will continue to be a human chain.
Speaker 1: It cannot be a one person or five person a
Speaker 1: temper something. This literally has to be everybody in order
Speaker 1: to make sure the right thing is done by one
Speaker 1: black man in Oklahoma. Um, So, from the bottom of
Speaker 1: my heart, thank you all and thank your audience so
Speaker 1: much for all that you have done. Um. Listen, that
Speaker 1: last week leading up to that scheduled execution was pure hell. Really,
Speaker 1: the last those last thirty days were pure hell. And
Speaker 1: we had people on the ground like Dr Tiffany Crutcher,
Speaker 1: who led a parallel campaign to hours. I mean we
Speaker 1: were we were fighting like cats and dogs in Oklahoma.
Speaker 1: Often was on us, she was getting my phone every day.
Speaker 1: Yeston was there, passing, Mike McBride was there, Um Pastor
Speaker 1: so many Yeah, Tracy Blackman, so many folks were there.
Speaker 1: And so I just wanted to first of all say
Speaker 1: thank you and and and shared those acknowledgements. Um. One
Speaker 1: thing that I want to go back to and ant
Speaker 1: when I talked about faith and she talked about the visit.
Speaker 1: I want you all to really understand what this woman did.
Speaker 1: Julius was supposed to be executed on Thursday. This woman
Speaker 1: called the prison on Monday and said, I want to
Speaker 1: visit my brother on Sunday next Sunday, and the prison
Speaker 1: people were like, ma'am, Julius's execution and schedule for Thursday.
Speaker 1: She said, I heard what you said, but I want
Speaker 1: my name on your books to visit with my brother
Speaker 1: on Sunday. And I want you to know that on
Speaker 1: that Sunday, this woman was sitting there talking to her brother.
Speaker 1: I got okay, So, I mean when I tell you,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you right now. If it had not
Speaker 1: been for God, we never would have made it. If
Speaker 1: it had not been for faith, we never would have
Speaker 1: made it, and Julius would not be alive. But where
Speaker 1: are we now? So Julius, we are about six months
Speaker 1: out from November and his legal team of kind really
Speaker 1: trying to determine what is the legal direction for Julius
Speaker 1: going forward, and to be completely clear, that is not
Speaker 1: clear at this moment um. They are really thinking through
Speaker 1: the constitutionality of the executive order. That answer that alluded
Speaker 1: to the executive order that the governor put in place
Speaker 1: on November eighteen said that Julius would spend would have
Speaker 1: life without the possibility of parole and he would never
Speaker 1: be able to give it for a pardon and Parole
Speaker 1: board in Oklahoma again, and so really exploring the constitutionality
Speaker 1: of that um. So that's kind of the legal part
Speaker 1: of it. In terms of the advocacy, it's very very
Speaker 1: important that that a few things happen in Oklahoma even
Speaker 1: while we figure this thing out legally. It's very important
Speaker 1: that Oklahoma County get a new digit attorney. This digrict
Speaker 1: attorney was such a cruel individual. When I reached out
Speaker 1: to him years ago, UM to talk to him about
Speaker 1: Julius Jones, he told me to shut up, to go away.
Speaker 1: He said, Julius is gonna fry and there's nothing you
Speaker 1: can do about it. He hasn't been willing to pass
Speaker 1: over Julius's case files through his attorneys. The man has
Speaker 1: been terrible. We need a new district attorney in Oklahoma
Speaker 1: County who would be willing to consider new evidence for
Speaker 1: Julius Jones and pass over his file. Secondly, we need
Speaker 1: a new governor of Oklahoma. You guys probably have read
Speaker 1: so much about UM Governor Stid at this point, UM,
Speaker 1: not just about Julius, but how he treats the Native
Speaker 1: tribes in Oklahoma, how he treats UM women's women's issues
Speaker 1: in Oklahoma. UM. Most people will know that Oklahoma just
Speaker 1: passed the strictest laws in the country of just this week. UM.
Speaker 1: And so we need a new We need a new
Speaker 1: governor because we need someone who would be pliable and
Speaker 1: willing to do the right thing and looking at Julius's
Speaker 1: case UM here in the near future. So those are
Speaker 1: the things that we are really focused on right now.
Speaker 1: Those are the things that we can impact, as well
Speaker 1: as to continue telling Julius historian in the meantime. So,
Speaker 1: my son, I want you to jump in um and
Speaker 1: I guess I'm just you know, it's so much in
Speaker 1: my mind. But I want people to hear what you
Speaker 1: said about the abortion laws, because some folks will say, well,
Speaker 1: I don't know if I believe that that Julius is innocent,
Speaker 1: and at least he wasn't killed, so he that's over
Speaker 1: for them. But the same governor who knows that there
Speaker 1: is not sufficient evidence, in fact, there's evidence to the
Speaker 1: alternative that actually says that Julius is innocent. He knows that,
Speaker 1: but because of his for his political reasons, he didn't
Speaker 1: want an execution to happen on his hands. But he
Speaker 1: was not interested and invested in justice because justice would
Speaker 1: have been to free Julius completely right. And and to me,
Speaker 1: I think it's really important that people remember that he
Speaker 1: didn't have to make that decision on his own. He
Speaker 1: had a pardoning parole board who voted twice that Julius
Speaker 1: should have should be recommended for life with the possibility
Speaker 1: of parole, which he would have been up for parole
Speaker 1: within the within the year he that governor turned his
Speaker 1: own parole boards recommendation down twice. His all these are people.
Speaker 1: He three the five he appointed, He appointed these individuals
Speaker 1: for his parole board, and and he two times did
Speaker 1: not take his own parole recommendations, which was a overwhelming
Speaker 1: majority that said that Julius should be received parole. Yes,
Speaker 1: he voted three to one, one of one of the
Speaker 1: then the one guy. When I listened to him, he
Speaker 1: sounds like a stark, raven, crazy racist. That's how he
Speaker 1: sounds to me. So so to put these things up
Speaker 1: to each to next to one another. If you say, well, Julius,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't got time. I did whatever,
Speaker 1: I already did what I had to do. Over there,
Speaker 1: he's not dead. That's it. The man just put the
Speaker 1: abortion laws in place as well. So what it says
Speaker 1: to me is women, black men, and our people, especially
Speaker 1: marginalized communities, that this man is a danger. He's a
Speaker 1: threat to all of that. So there's a reason to
Speaker 1: fight just because if you're not into the Julius Jones story,
Speaker 1: you've got to be someone who cares about the rights
Speaker 1: of our women or the children who suffered the poverty
Speaker 1: all of these issues that's happened within Oklahoma. There's a
Speaker 1: reason to get involved in the fight. There is a reason,
Speaker 1: and I think for me to it this, this person
Speaker 1: is not interested in the law. This is a This
Speaker 1: is a some this this is an anarchist. This is
Speaker 1: somebody who believes that he is above the law right.
Speaker 1: He believes that regardless the you know, the situate, the
Speaker 1: body that I put in place, the people that I
Speaker 1: put in place voted and looked at the evidence, and
Speaker 1: they have more knowledge of more have looked deeper into
Speaker 1: this situation I have. And I'm not taking their opinions.
Speaker 1: And not only am I not gonna take their peniens,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna implement a law in order that says that
Speaker 1: you can't even get the scene again, Like, this is unconstant.
Speaker 1: It has to be against the constitution. There's no way
Speaker 1: that this is constitutely because you're you're you're basically saying,
Speaker 1: we don't even care if you're innocent, you come with
Speaker 1: evidence anything, we don't care. You're gonna die in jail.
Speaker 1: And that's that that has to be. That's that's unbelievable
Speaker 1: to me. It's unbelievable. With that somebody even has that
Speaker 1: level of power to be able to do. Let me
Speaker 1: tell you that I think what I think is was
Speaker 1: the bottom line and what really scared me that last
Speaker 1: week that the governor's office had signaled to us that
Speaker 1: the governor was going to meet with Antoinette and her
Speaker 1: mother and family and the victims family before making a decision.
Speaker 1: We got word that he had met with the victim's family,
Speaker 1: but he had they had not reached out to us
Speaker 1: yet for Mama Jones and Antoinette's meeting, So we were
Speaker 1: going to them, okay, when we meeting, when we meeting.
Speaker 1: Mama Jones ultimately went up there the last week, sat
Speaker 1: and went into his office, sat in there for three hours,
Speaker 1: and he was not He did not have the courage
Speaker 1: to come out to meet with her. But I'll tell
Speaker 1: you what I really believe happened. I believe that he
Speaker 1: met with that victim's family. And yes, they are victims.
Speaker 1: I want to make that completely here. These people have
Speaker 1: been through hell, okay, But there was something about white women,
Speaker 1: when white men women sit and cry, tell their story, okay,
Speaker 1: about being afraid of a black man. I believe that
Speaker 1: we saw a hundred years later the Tulsa massacre scenario
Speaker 1: played out, and I believe that those white women's tears
Speaker 1: move that man in such a way that he felt
Speaker 1: that he had to protect them in some way from
Speaker 1: the big bad black man, Julius Jones. And there and
Speaker 1: when So when I heard that that happened, when I
Speaker 1: heard that that meeting happened, I said, I was very
Speaker 1: nervous after that, because that's white didn't meet with y'all, right,
Speaker 1: because we know how we know the impact of white
Speaker 1: tears in this country, right, we know that, and I
Speaker 1: think that had a whole lot to do with that
Speaker 1: executive order. Wow, So where do we go now? You
Speaker 1: talked about some things, but let's get real specific. When
Speaker 1: is the election? Is there anybody else running for governor?
Speaker 1: And what are some of the other things that we
Speaker 1: can do? And then is there a uh financial mechanism
Speaker 1: that people can give to support the continue work for
Speaker 1: justice for Julius Jones. Absolutely, So here's where we are.
Speaker 1: We have an election coming up in November. We need
Speaker 1: people in Oklahoma to register to vote. UM for the
Speaker 1: d the d A for Oklahoma County. The key Bahanna
Speaker 1: is running. We need Vicki Bahanna. And then she is
Speaker 1: the fairest person who is running UM for the governor's race. Again,
Speaker 1: everybody's voted in November. We need people registered and having
Speaker 1: a plan to make sure they're at the polls, they're
Speaker 1: senting in their ballots. We need churches and other organizations
Speaker 1: on the ground in Oklahoma to help make sure help
Speaker 1: to facilitate registration and mobilization of voters. And we we
Speaker 1: don't actually know exactly yet until primaries are over in
Speaker 1: June who his running mate will be, but I will
Speaker 1: tell you where I'm sitting, anybody is better than governor
Speaker 1: stick today. We will have more to say about who
Speaker 1: the right person, who we believe the right person is
Speaker 1: after the primaries in June UM, But in for right,
Speaker 1: right now, anybody is better UM. People can visit Justice
Speaker 1: for Julius dot com to make donations. We are establishing
Speaker 1: in the process right now of establishing a five O
Speaker 1: one C three and a five one C four two
Speaker 1: that will do good grassroots work on the ground in
Speaker 1: Oklahoma City around gun violence and youth engagement and criminal
Speaker 1: justice reform issues and racial justice issues while Julius is
Speaker 1: still incarcerated. We want to make sure that good work
Speaker 1: goes on in his name. In the meantime, my son,
Speaker 1: you want to finish yourself. I just want to say
Speaker 1: thank you for your undying work that you're doing, the energy.
Speaker 1: You know. I look at his sister, and that's the
Speaker 1: sister that you want. You know, that's the sister that
Speaker 1: you need. You know, even though my sister gets on
Speaker 1: my nerves, I know that she would probably be doing
Speaker 1: the same exact thing you're doing if I was in
Speaker 1: this situation. So I just want to say I command you, sister,
Speaker 1: and I appreciate you. Also want to say, Miss e
Speaker 1: c your undying will and what you put into this
Speaker 1: is unmatched. You know, black women always here to save
Speaker 1: us as black man man, and I will always tip
Speaker 1: my hat and bow to your feet. Man, continue to
Speaker 1: do the work. Anything that we can do, we will do.
Speaker 1: And justice for Julius. I'm praying for him, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm praying for your families. I'm praying for everybody. This
Speaker 1: is it's hard. You know, I've been incarcerated. I wasn't
Speaker 1: facing death row, no were near that. But I know
Speaker 1: those seven years and seven or fourteen years that I
Speaker 1: was sentenced to, I know I know the pain that
Speaker 1: I felt, so I can only imagine what he's going
Speaker 1: through right now. And this is a strong brother to
Speaker 1: have been in there that amount of time this long
Speaker 1: and still be in control of his faculties and still
Speaker 1: be standing strong. So I just want to commend him
Speaker 1: and let him know that we were still here with
Speaker 1: him and we're gonna fight with him to them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: answering that your father, Um, you said he had to
Speaker 1: go to dialysis. How's he doing? So? Honestly, and I
Speaker 1: haven't told c C this and I'm sorry honestly, Um,
Speaker 1: he has a lot of uh, good days and bad days, um,
Speaker 1: but here lately he's started to lose his appetite. And
Speaker 1: that's not something I share with Julius, because that's Julius's
Speaker 1: greatest spirits that he won't get to hug his father.
Speaker 1: And he did not get to hug his father. Um.
Speaker 1: And that's what I was kind of talking about, is
Speaker 1: we were supposed to have an in person visitation on
Speaker 1: the seventeenth, right, Um, But we got the visitation the Sunday.
Speaker 1: That would not have been if I hadn't have put
Speaker 1: in that order, and thank God for that. But he
Speaker 1: didn't get to make it down there the Sunday to
Speaker 1: give him a hug in person and that really affected him.
Speaker 1: So Julius's fight is also that to to be able
Speaker 1: to hug and such as father too. M So I
Speaker 1: appreciate all that that you all are doing. Yes, Primaries Junory,
Speaker 1: if people are listening and say to Oklahoma, please applot
Speaker 1: for absentee ballots before it's too late. Um, get out
Speaker 1: there and vote. Um. If you need assistance, reach out
Speaker 1: to vote for change as well as my Facebook and
Speaker 1: my social media platforms and as well, follow Justice for
Speaker 1: Julius on all social media platforms. And thank you all
Speaker 1: so much for you know, standing with us. It takes
Speaker 1: us all. Thank you, Thank you ladies so much, love
Speaker 1: y'all and we're in the fight whatever we can do.
Speaker 1: Please don't hesitate to ask. We won't. Thank y'all so much. Man.
Speaker 1: I just it's a lot. It's emotional, a lot of
Speaker 1: unpack it's a lot of impact, man, just seeing those
Speaker 1: ladies and just hearing that pain, but you get that
Speaker 1: fight in their voice, like they haven't given up and
Speaker 1: they're gonna keep fighting. Man, It's just a lot. So
Speaker 1: I just want to say, once again, free Julius June.
Speaker 1: Shout out to everybody who who've been fighting for him,
Speaker 1: our brother IRV Roland, who was pretty much the first
Speaker 1: person who notified us, you know, was a child, was
Speaker 1: a child with friends of Julius. So you know everybody
Speaker 1: that's been in that fight. Man. You know, I want
Speaker 1: to say our prayers go out to you and we
Speaker 1: salute you also and other guests. You know, Chris Goddy,
Speaker 1: who can man, I'm telling you what this I get
Speaker 1: these kind of jewels Chris all the time. This is
Speaker 1: my boy, so we said and have these conversations, and
Speaker 1: he's a very sharp individual. He's he streaked savvy, yet
Speaker 1: he's very intelligent. So he's one of the one of
Speaker 1: the one of my mentors that I talked to about
Speaker 1: a lot of different things. So shout out to Chris
Speaker 1: Man and the knowledge he dropped. Hopefully some young kids
Speaker 1: to listen to it. And I get swept up in
Speaker 1: this new reco thing. Not really knew, but they're definitely
Speaker 1: targeting hip hop and targeting our communities and targeting social
Speaker 1: media and how you use the social media to encomplish
Speaker 1: you and and and trap you in these reco charges.
Speaker 1: So once again, shout out to him and shout out
Speaker 1: to you to make up, you know, for the work
Speaker 1: that you out here doing. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You was in Buffalo this week giving people, not me,
Speaker 1: but we Buffalo Black people is just we just something else. Pain.
Speaker 1: We take a looking and keep and we just keep going. Man,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you, but you know, I'm glad that a
Speaker 1: Bien Trade, the Truth until Freedom and so many others
Speaker 1: were able to get together to do the work we
Speaker 1: did in Buffalo, and it has to continue. In fact,
Speaker 1: the trade just text me what's the plan? He needs
Speaker 1: to know people moving around. You gonna know where folks
Speaker 1: is going and what they're doing and whether he should
Speaker 1: or should not be there and be involved. So we've
Speaker 1: got a brilliant, amazing team of very passionate, caring individuals
Speaker 1: and I wouldn't want to be in this work with
Speaker 1: anyone else but y'all. Y'all a little crazy sometimes, but
Speaker 1: y'are the best at what y'all do. Man. With that said,
Speaker 1: we want to say we appreciate you for continuing to
Speaker 1: support us, keep tuning in, making us get better, pushing
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