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Speaker 1: I want you to meet this guy. He's one of

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Speaker 1: the first people I ever spoke to when I started

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Speaker 1: working on running Smoke Bones force here Uh freelance writer

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Speaker 1: of books, Uh, monthly columnists for magazines? What are you

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Speaker 1: That driver's name was Gary hot Chew Blue. I had

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Speaker 1: I said, no, there's there's anyone can do it for me.

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Speaker 1: Nobody should have done that. Books look like he did it.

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Speaker 1: It's in my words, so he cleaned it up a

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Speaker 1: you know. Gary won over a thousand races, several championships,

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Speaker 1: quite different from Derek's story, but it does show how

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Speaker 1: I'll let bones take it away. Gary Blue was a

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