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Speaker 1: suitable for all audiences. Listener discretion is advised. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: Patriot's Unfiltered. They're trying to get him to have surgery

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Speaker 1: and he won't, or or Superman his Max so tough

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Speaker 1: that what would cause mere mortals to undergo surgery is

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Speaker 1: not affecting a few of the packers. How much difference

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Speaker 1: would it make to you if you're facing exactly like,

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Speaker 1: oh my god, we have to playing with Aaron Rodgers,

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Speaker 1: Like that's easy. Yeah, it is, but it also has

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Speaker 1: a lot of pressure because he's a dude. I love

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Speaker 1: Paul rhetories. I'm just waiting for him to get that

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Speaker 1: Frida out of the email is absolutely right, Like they

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Speaker 1: played more of it like an old school three four friend.

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Speaker 1: So what I like when you talk schemes. He's all

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Speaker 1: in eleven in his last starts. Yeah, you know that's

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Speaker 1: not good. Eric is from the Virgin Islands, which one

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Speaker 1: you know, there's so many, Yeah, all these three because

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Speaker 1: he's mart quarterback who can be a good sounding boy.

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Speaker 1: First daughter just show you know, Fred got to watch him.

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Speaker 1: I know he's on the edge. Jesus sneaky wise guy.

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Speaker 1: You might hear some vile things coming out of I'll

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Speaker 1: be making the noise Mac was making coming off the

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Speaker 1: beach direct. This is Patriot's Unfiltered, fueled by Duncan. All right,

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Speaker 1: welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. It is Wednesday here at Gillett's Stadium,

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Speaker 1: and uh, we're gonna be going at Bill Belichick when

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Speaker 1: in at any moment when he steps up. He might

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Speaker 1: have something interesting to say. Of course, the big topic

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Speaker 1: is the health of Mac Jones, so you know, I'm

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Speaker 1: sure the local media will be just you know, really

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Speaker 1: growing him on that today. So uh, you know, we

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Speaker 1: want to hear from the source because Mac told us

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Speaker 1: to ask Bill because he likes answering. Well, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's interesting. There's been a lot of talk and we

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Speaker 1: talked a lot about this yesterday too, but about you know,

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Speaker 1: surgery and this tight rope surgery that then everybody's starting

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Speaker 1: to try to learn about. I love when these buzzwords

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Speaker 1: like the tight rope surgery, Mike, you know, um, but um,

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Speaker 1: the thing that uh made me curious yesterday was the

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Speaker 1: schefter tweet and him including that line about most people,

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Speaker 1: most people would would undergo surgery, and we talked about

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Speaker 1: it was part of our open today. Um, that's got

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Speaker 1: to be a question to Bill Belichick today, right, like

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Speaker 1: Mac to undergo surgery? Uh? Is it the team's desire

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Speaker 1: that he undergoes? You know, I don't think he's going

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Speaker 1: to answer any of them. Don't get me wrong, I'm not.

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Speaker 1: I'm not naive. It's not my first rodeo. I don't

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Speaker 1: I don't think you'll answer any of these questions, but

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Speaker 1: just curious he's gonna be out practiced. There's there's a

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Speaker 1: I mean I think it was kind of in jest.

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Speaker 1: Been looking at a lot of film here on the Packers. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: just start off with um. You see the films, scan

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Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm not an northopedic surgeon and like

425
00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:31,200
Speaker 1: the biggest smile on his face. He was so happy

426
00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:35,880
Speaker 1: to an orthopedic surgeon. So my guess and again this

427
00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:37,679
Speaker 1: is when I get in trouble because I do stupid

428
00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:40,280
Speaker 1: things and speculate wildly, but I'm gonna do it anyway.

429
00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:44,360
Speaker 1: My guess is he's like, oh, way do you see

430
00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:47,119
Speaker 1: what I got today? Way? Do you see what I

431
00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:50,080
Speaker 1: got today? I'm going to open with a five minute

432
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Speaker 1: die a tribe on Don Hudson in the history of

433
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:56,400
Speaker 1: the writing bays nice try and then I'm gonna say

434
00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:59,480
Speaker 1: and Max doing better, getting better every day, and then

435
00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:01,439
Speaker 1: we'll go and now just every one of them that

436
00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:03,959
Speaker 1: gets pitched up to me, yeah, I'll knock it right

437
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:06,119
Speaker 1: over the fence by saying day by day and give

438
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:08,720
Speaker 1: him my fake plastic smile after it. This is onto.

439
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:12,600
Speaker 1: That was all. That was all so orchestrated. Oh yeah,

440
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:17,840
Speaker 1: this is on to Cincinnati. And in some way, you know,

441
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:20,720
Speaker 1: whether or not they told Mac to say what he said,

442
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:25,639
Speaker 1: I think he's saying I'm gonna do Mac and I

443
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:28,520
Speaker 1: are on the same page when it comes to answering

444
00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:32,840
Speaker 1: these questions. In some way they showed solidarity there. Yeah,

445
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:35,520
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, that's why. I mean yeah, I mean,

446
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:37,200
Speaker 1: like I said, I think it made a little bit

447
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:38,800
Speaker 1: more sense of like, all right, well, I get that

448
00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:42,280
Speaker 1: the message is being put out, but I just again,

449
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:44,439
Speaker 1: it feels like a lot of effort to I just

450
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:47,399
Speaker 1: think it was for different reasons they're on the same page.

451
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:50,199
Speaker 1: I think Mac did it because he's like, yeah, you

452
00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:52,840
Speaker 1: answer it. I ain't answer it. You got all the answers,

453
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:55,119
Speaker 1: you answer all the questions. I'm throwing them all to you.

454
00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:57,439
Speaker 1: That's what I think it was that sounds more like

455
00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:01,800
Speaker 1: Paul talking than Mac Jones to me. Yeah, listen, I

456
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:04,359
Speaker 1: know I've been critical of Mac Jones. I can't. I

457
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:07,040
Speaker 1: can't see Mac. I can't. I can't do at this point.

458
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:08,640
Speaker 1: I can't. I mean, I don't know if you watched

459
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:11,280
Speaker 1: any of the press conferences all summer about when he

460
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:14,480
Speaker 1: was asked questions about Matt Patricia and yeah, I think

461
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:16,640
Speaker 1: it's he's I think it's been there. I think guys

462
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:19,400
Speaker 1: haven't been paying attention. He's coached, and I think that.

463
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:23,399
Speaker 1: I don't. It took Brady like a long time before

464
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:26,560
Speaker 1: he started saying stuff. Brady came up under a different

465
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:30,159
Speaker 1: kind of player, different kind of person. Ye, different time nowadays.

466
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:33,320
Speaker 1: I spend all your life on the phone, and now

467
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:35,679
Speaker 1: he spent three days being I know, but I just

468
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,240
Speaker 1: sent to people tell you how I'm not tough. I

469
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:40,920
Speaker 1: think Mac is a tough, tough guy. I think Mac

470
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:43,480
Speaker 1: is a team guy. Yeah, I says he's not a

471
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:45,960
Speaker 1: team guy. I think he if he doesn't have surgery,

472
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:47,840
Speaker 1: that doesn't make him not a team I don't say that.

473
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:50,399
Speaker 1: I didn't say that, but I think he's he's towing

474
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:52,959
Speaker 1: the company line right now. This is what we need

475
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 1: you to say, Mac, don't go into detail, you don't,

476
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:57,240
Speaker 1: don't do it. I think he's not going into detail

477
00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,000
Speaker 1: on purpose. You don't think he's press because it's a

478
00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:01,560
Speaker 1: passive aggressive hour to force to get back at Bill

479
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 1: Belichick at this point. I don't that's because that's I

480
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:06,359
Speaker 1: don't think like what I don't see. I mean, I

481
00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 1: think he's been with with really hard coaches his whole career.

482
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:12,359
Speaker 1: I don't think that turn now. I mean, I'm not

483
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 1: saying it couldn't be that, but I don't think it is.

484
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 1: I think he's putting it all on Bill's plate. That's so,

485
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:19,159
Speaker 1: I don't think it's a passive aggressive anything. And I

486
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:21,280
Speaker 1: think Bill probably said, put it all on my plate,

487
00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 1: this is what I wanted to and then Bill put

488
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:26,720
Speaker 1: it on the training and then kill and then we'll

489
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 1: Bill deals with it in his typical way by day,

490
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 1: you know. So I don't know. I don't know. Listen,

491
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:37,879
Speaker 1: he's not gonna be out there today. But what he

492
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:39,960
Speaker 1: said yesterday, I don't think. I don't think he said

493
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 1: he's not gonna be out there today. I don't say

494
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 1: he didn't know if he'd be out there today. I

495
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 1: said probably he probably probably practiced today. And I don't

496
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:48,560
Speaker 1: mean he didn't say, he didn't say, No, this is

497
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:51,320
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. This is and and you know, like

498
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 1: we said yesterday, I don't think the packers are losing

499
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:56,359
Speaker 1: any sleep wondering who they should prepare for, you know,

500
00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 1: so certainly, no, I don't see the point in all

501
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,880
Speaker 1: of this. But okay, and that's and that's like the

502
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 1: main point I just go back to of going into

503
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 1: this year of trying to make things easy for mac Jones,

504
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:08,360
Speaker 1: or trying to support mac Jones, or trying to create

505
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 1: an environment where he feels like he is supported and

506
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:13,360
Speaker 1: can grow. And you know, regardless of where you fall

507
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:15,679
Speaker 1: on this whole kind of like you know, real drama

508
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 1: or whatever is going behind the scenes. Like it's just

509
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:19,360
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just hard. You don't even have to say.

510
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 1: You can say, yeah, Max's gonna lose some time starting

511
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 1: with this game. And you don't even have to say

512
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 1: two games, four games, four weeks. Oh, I don't I

513
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 1: don't need a timetable. All you have to say he's

514
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,880
Speaker 1: gonna miss some time starting with this game. Yeah, timetables

515
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 1: get you in trouble. I have no problem with Bill

516
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 1: knock your ouse. If Bill wants to avoid the constant questions,

517
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:40,160
Speaker 1: he's not gonna do it because after this week, if

518
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:44,959
Speaker 1: he hasn't played, gonna be ready, right, you ask him,

519
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:46,640
Speaker 1: I gotta ask him every day. Let me ask you this.

520
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 1: This is a completely different side of this. Do you

521
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,919
Speaker 1: think there's any chance that he gets placed placed on

522
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:56,120
Speaker 1: ir between now on Sunday? Because I do. I think

523
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 1: there's a chance of that would be amazing. Well, maybe

524
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:01,120
Speaker 1: after that second opinion he could be right, Yeah, well

525
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 1: something I would say. You're gonna say it was because

526
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 1: of the second opinion? Well no, but I mean they know, right,

527
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 1: they know right now roughly how long he's well the

528
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 1: team does, Bill knows how roughly how long he's gonna

529
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:16,360
Speaker 1: be out? Now, wait for like, let's just say that

530
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 1: that was a catastrophic injury. He's gonna miss at least

531
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 1: four weeks. You're going like, in a normal world, how

532
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 1: how long would you put him like Monday? Like when

533
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:24,159
Speaker 1: do you usually do it? You know? Like like is

534
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:26,440
Speaker 1: there usual like if a guy suffers an injury Sunday,

535
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:28,120
Speaker 1: how quickly do you turn it around and put him

536
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 1: on Friday? Because you're trying to like minimize the amount

537
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 1: of time he has to be on you know what

538
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 1: I mean, Like, there's four games. It's just four games regardless.

539
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:36,359
Speaker 1: So as long as you could have put him Monday,

540
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 1: could have put him, Monday could put him Saturday. It's

541
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 1: four games. Yeah, Okay, okay, either way, UM avoid that

542
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 1: minimus minimum of four games minimum. Yeah, um yeah, I

543
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 1: just think. Um, I will say, like I could have

544
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 1: egg on my face on Sunday. Like if we're sitting

545
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 1: here Sunday afternoon and and Mac Jones is playing, I'll

546
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 1: say I was wrong. I was wrong. All those reports

547
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 1: were wrong, and I and I believe something. I believe

548
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 1: some stupid reports. Yeah, so I'll you know, listen, I'm

549
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 1: not telling you that. I'm just going by the information

550
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 1: that we're here, and I can't imagine every seem I'm

551
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 1: eliminating that because I'm trying to be nice. I'm just

552
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 1: going off of everything I've read. I'm going off of

553
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 1: everything I've read, and I can't imagine that every one

554
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 1: of these guys, Adam Schefter, Ian Rappapoot, Tom Pellisero, Mike Garafalo,

555
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 1: like all of these national guys are all telling you

556
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 1: that it's a severe high ankle sprain and he's gonna

557
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 1: play six days later, right, Like there's a chance that

558
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 1: you could play six days later, right, I mean, I

559
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 1: think that's at least at least two weeks. I didn't

560
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 1: that Garoppolo missed two weeks with a high ankle sprain

561
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 1: before he played against the Patriots in twenty I don't

562
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 1: remember that one. All I remember is the Gronk one

563
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 1: and he was two weeks later, ineffective in Super Bowl

564
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 1: for it, and he was a decoy, couldn't play. But

565
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 1: I will say that there's only one position that you

566
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 1: could possibly play, and that's quarterback. And like you're left

567
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 1: foot too, where you're not really that I was told

568
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 1: yesterday by a former NFL quarterback and not named, not

569
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 1: named Scott Zolak that it's worse with the left foot

570
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 1: because you're landing on it, you're coming, you're coming over

571
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:14,680
Speaker 1: it every throw. Okay, um was the way it was described. Yeah,

572
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 1: that's like your weight distribution foot. Well, we won't practice today.

573
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 1: There it is, and I promise you, But the x

574
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 1: NFL quarterback was not Scott zola Wow, who who are you?

575
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 1: What circles are running with? Perillo what's going on here?

576
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 1: You can't tell you, babe, Parilli, I don't thanks bad.

577
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, this was funny. That was That was

578
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 1: high comedy. I will say that that was high commed.

579
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 1: Bill thought so too. Oh. Bill cracked himself up. I mean,

580
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 1: he just hes laughing coming into the room. It's like

581
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 1: when you're about to tell a story that you know

582
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 1: is so funny and you're already laughing. I'm telling you

583
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 1: said that he was thinking, I'm gonna be talking about

584
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 1: Don Mudson and these guys are gonna be like, are

585
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 1: you kidding me? You had like the baseball comp for me.

586
00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 1: It was like the one song and the guitar that

587
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 1: he just keeps like pilling it out, playing that like

588
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 1: do you have to play it again? I'm gonna play

589
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 1: it again? I mean what if what if? Like what

590
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 1: if we're all wrong and our doctors have said, you

591
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 1: know what, he could play? That's what I said, I'll

592
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 1: have egg on my Mac wants to get a second

593
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 1: opinion to make sure that they're right because he doesn't

594
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 1: want to go out there and make it worse, okay,

595
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 1: and so I once he gets a second opinion, he

596
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 1: could be out there so can I just ask, Okay,

597
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 1: if that's the case, who do you think all the

598
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 1: national guys are talking to that they got such bad information?

599
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 1: Severe Doc Flynn Fred Who Adam Schefter is not talking

600
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 1: to some hack local doctors. She's pretty good. She's a hack,

601
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 1: she's a Patriots fan. Okay, she's always right? Who when?

602
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 1: She's always accurate? He's pretty good with Celtics injury. She

603
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 1: tells you after everybody diagnosis? What that means? Oh god, no,

604
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 1: you're you're confusing him with David Chow who does it?

605
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 1: He's another from his student, he's another one. But anyway,

606
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 1: if Jess is doing good stuff, just give me an example.

607
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 1: And I'm not telling you I know for sure, but

608
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 1: give me an example of who Adam Schefter could have

609
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 1: spoken to that said he will miss multiple games. That's

610
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 1: a good question, it is it is? Yeah, I don't know.

611
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 1: It's a good question. It could be. That's why I

612
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 1: don't think that we're wrong. It's a good question. Yeah,

613
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 1: And am I putting too much stock and Adam Chef?

614
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 1: Here's something with Adam like has he made mistakes before

615
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 1: everybody does? But I think given that he's made those mistakes,

616
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 1: he tries extra hard to make sure he doesn't repeat them,

617
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 1: you know, So like unless he was led down a

618
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 1: wrong path woefully by somebody who was trying to do harm.

619
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 1: Right he somebodily had a good sword. Somebody, either in

620
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 1: the Patriots organization or in Max camp, said he's going

621
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 1: to miss multiple games. I don't think there's any way

622
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 1: he said he's gonna miss multiple games based on Doc

623
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 1: Flint telling you I looked at that. Looks like he's

624
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 1: gonna miss multiple games. Somebody the inside told him, whether

625
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 1: it's the Patriots or Max camp, someone said he's gonna

626
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 1: be out multiple games. Well he's gonna play Sunday. Yeah,

627
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 1: they by yeah, I mean I don't know. I don't know,

628
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 1: Like maybe, like again, I don't know if this is

629
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 1: this happened, But again, what if it What if the

630
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 1: team doctors on the Patriots after Monday said, you know what,

631
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 1: it's not as bad as we thought. It was a

632
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 1: pain tolerance issue, and so that gets out there. Max

633
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 1: told that Mac tells his camp and this camp is like,

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Speaker 1: Instead of just dragging this out and making this and

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Speaker 1: I was really hoping to him to keep making the jump.

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Speaker 1: And it's just if Horror comes in. I just so

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Speaker 1: I mean, Horror's fami the league for years. I mean

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Speaker 1: All right, thanks Matt. You know, like we talked about yesterday.

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Speaker 1: I just to me, it doesn't seem to have as

1052
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:37,360
Speaker 1: quite as much value in football, just because you're already

1053
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:39,800
Speaker 1: breaking down every single bit of the game from the

1054
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:41,960
Speaker 1: All twenty two you know, you know, like you get

1055
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:44,160
Speaker 1: a second view at it. It's only one game a week,

1056
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:47,319
Speaker 1: So I just I think he's gonna be about till

1057
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:49,480
Speaker 1: the BUYE. I think it's that's it. I think he

1058
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:52,000
Speaker 1: comes back after the buy that's my that's my prediction.

1059
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:55,920
Speaker 1: Jets at Jets I think would be that just seems

1060
00:56:55,920 --> 00:57:00,080
Speaker 1: about the timeframe I'm going to take a stab at Okay,

1061
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:04,279
Speaker 1: I guess you read MRIs and if that and if

1062
00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:08,040
Speaker 1: that happens, you don't think people will be wondering where

1063
00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:11,919
Speaker 1: he is if they between now and then they continue this, Yeah,

1064
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:14,960
Speaker 1: of course, yeah no, I mean, let's I don't know

1065
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:18,760
Speaker 1: if he's going to continue this. But assuming he doesn't,

1066
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:22,120
Speaker 1: then say, yeah, you know, we decided to do X,

1067
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:24,120
Speaker 1: Y and Z and he's gonna be out if he

1068
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:28,120
Speaker 1: if he if he clarifies it, then that changes it.

1069
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:32,000
Speaker 1: But if there's no clarity, and even if this isn't

1070
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:34,360
Speaker 1: like I could see him coming Listen, I'm not this

1071
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:36,600
Speaker 1: is gonna be a mac Jones update every day. Guys,

1072
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:38,240
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Well, I could see him

1073
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:41,400
Speaker 1: doing that tomorrow or Friday the next time he talks.

1074
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:44,960
Speaker 1: So but then you can't say day by day. No,

1075
00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:47,320
Speaker 1: I know that, but he makes the rules. I know,

1076
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:50,360
Speaker 1: I know. But like it's like rowdy roddy piper. Just

1077
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:52,400
Speaker 1: when you thought you had all the answers, he changes

1078
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:56,520
Speaker 1: the questions. I don't think they can drag this out

1079
00:57:56,560 --> 00:57:57,880
Speaker 1: like this. But you didn't think you were going to

1080
00:57:57,920 --> 00:58:00,360
Speaker 1: get a rowdy, rowdy piper. I did. I don't think

1081
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:03,120
Speaker 1: there would be a leak though if they tried to, well, yeah,

1082
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:05,960
Speaker 1: then I mean then you start to wonder, but why

1083
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:08,600
Speaker 1: not just again, Like it just seems to me, if

1084
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:10,000
Speaker 1: you knew he was going to be out that long,

1085
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:13,040
Speaker 1: put him on ir go with Hoyer, do the thing

1086
00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:15,240
Speaker 1: where we're rallying around this guy Max's not going to

1087
00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:17,600
Speaker 1: be here. We can get rid of that distraction. I

1088
00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:19,560
Speaker 1: think you can make an argument that that's better for

1089
00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:22,720
Speaker 1: the interest of the team. Yeah, like you know, so

1090
00:58:23,160 --> 00:58:26,400
Speaker 1: is there somebody in the locker room now? It's like Mac,

1091
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:29,200
Speaker 1: Mac could play, Mac might be able to play, if

1092
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:31,000
Speaker 1: not this week, next week, and then he doesn't play,

1093
00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:33,080
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, this guy obviously doesn't care about it.

1094
00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:35,560
Speaker 1: He's not doing anything you can to get back, Like

1095
00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:37,320
Speaker 1: he's coming through the locker room in like a walking

1096
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:39,080
Speaker 1: boot with crutches, and like, I think he could play

1097
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:42,080
Speaker 1: this week. So we're really doing this. It's just a

1098
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:44,959
Speaker 1: flesh wound. That's that's the guy who thinks you can play.

1099
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 1: I don't know what I mean. He was limping pretty

1100
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:54,160
Speaker 1: like lightly. Let's go to CJ in LA. What's up? CJ? Hey,

1101
00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:57,480
Speaker 1: what's up? Guys? Can you hear me? Yeah? Yeah, okay,

1102
00:58:57,560 --> 00:58:59,840
Speaker 1: So yeah, I just kind of wanted to complain about

1103
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:03,480
Speaker 1: like the whole wide receiver frenzy that's been going on

1104
00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:07,960
Speaker 1: since I think twenty nineteen, because it seems like ever

1105
00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:10,800
Speaker 1: since we got Ap and he fell out with the team,

1106
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:15,080
Speaker 1: people have been saying about whatever quarterback, either you know,

1107
00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:18,800
Speaker 1: Brady or or whomever you know, Oh, you just gotta

1108
00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:21,760
Speaker 1: get them an receiver. Look at you know, Cincinnati, you

1109
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:23,960
Speaker 1: look at you know, YadA, YadA. But it feels to

1110
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:26,800
Speaker 1: me like the teams that are really competing at least

1111
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:30,880
Speaker 1: with some pensive longevity, are the ones that have some

1112
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:34,720
Speaker 1: defense going on there. And it just feels to me like,

1113
00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:36,640
Speaker 1: you know, we should also take advantage of what we

1114
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:40,440
Speaker 1: have right now and having built at least you know,

1115
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:42,600
Speaker 1: for the time being, however long we have them. And

1116
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:45,640
Speaker 1: it's like, would you rather get built an elite offense

1117
00:59:45,720 --> 00:59:47,880
Speaker 1: and a mediocre defense or an elite defense in the

1118
00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:50,280
Speaker 1: mediocre offense? Like which one do you think he could

1119
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:53,800
Speaker 1: do more with in a given playoff game? To me,

1120
00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:59,760
Speaker 1: it would be you know, the readas Browner, high Tower, etc. So,

1121
01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:01,400
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess I also kind of have a

1122
01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:04,760
Speaker 1: follow up question, how important would you say the mic

1123
01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:09,400
Speaker 1: linebacker position is today compared to stay like oh six

1124
01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:12,480
Speaker 1: or whatever? And do you think it's still important that

1125
01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:17,280
Speaker 1: we try to replace Mayo High Tower versus trying to

1126
01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:20,360
Speaker 1: go and get a big, flashy receiver who's probably going

1127
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:22,480
Speaker 1: to fall out with the team and ask for too

1128
01:00:22,600 --> 01:00:26,280
Speaker 1: much money in like three or four years anyway, Right,

1129
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:29,600
Speaker 1: So how do you guys feel about that? I just

1130
01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:31,800
Speaker 1: I think it's I think it's tough to play defense

1131
01:00:31,840 --> 01:00:34,960
Speaker 1: and think you can win I like without an offense,

1132
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:36,840
Speaker 1: Like I think you need an offense that can score.

1133
01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:39,080
Speaker 1: I think with defense it is what it is. If

1134
01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:40,800
Speaker 1: you've got guys who can make plays at the end

1135
01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:43,560
Speaker 1: of the game, you know that that's what it comes

1136
01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:46,800
Speaker 1: out to. These games. I'll go, they're all thirty point games,

1137
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:50,920
Speaker 1: just as that example, right, the twenty fourteen team. Yeah,

1138
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:53,920
Speaker 1: and if Pete handled off to Marshawn Lynch, you get

1139
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:57,120
Speaker 1: up thirty one. There you go, right, So it's not

1140
01:00:57,200 --> 01:00:59,800
Speaker 1: like and I think that defense was excellent, the two

1141
01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:02,360
Speaker 1: thousand fourteen Patriots defense. I think it was a really

1142
01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:07,200
Speaker 1: good defense. Offense beats defense. Sorry, that's what happened. Like

1143
01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:09,439
Speaker 1: the league has designed that way now, right, And even

1144
01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:12,920
Speaker 1: though it's weird right now because again three week samples,

1145
01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:16,120
Speaker 1: you don't like to use Mike and the point the

1146
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:18,960
Speaker 1: points are way down, the scoring is down, the passing

1147
01:01:19,040 --> 01:01:22,520
Speaker 1: yards are down through three weeks across the board. Um,

1148
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:25,520
Speaker 1: but we all know that's that's going to even itself out,

1149
01:01:26,280 --> 01:01:29,440
Speaker 1: and it is geared toward offense and the teams that

1150
01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:30,840
Speaker 1: are going to be there at the end of the year,

1151
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:33,280
Speaker 1: or the teams that not only have the better offenses

1152
01:01:33,520 --> 01:01:36,200
Speaker 1: but have the better passing games. That's what it takes

1153
01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:39,960
Speaker 1: to have a productive offense. So yeah, maybe Bill would

1154
01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:43,280
Speaker 1: rather have a defense and play with that, but I don't.

1155
01:01:43,320 --> 01:01:45,120
Speaker 1: I don't think that that's And plus we see in

1156
01:01:45,120 --> 01:01:47,840
Speaker 1: a lot of those Super Bowls that defenses get worn

1157
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:50,680
Speaker 1: down in those games. Ye you know, like second half,

1158
01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:53,440
Speaker 1: they tend to get tired. You need some depth, you

1159
01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:55,920
Speaker 1: need some secondary depth. I mean, I mean the Malcolm

1160
01:01:55,960 --> 01:01:58,280
Speaker 1: Butler's an extreme example in that in that Super Bowl

1161
01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:00,680
Speaker 1: making the last play, but again it was what your

1162
01:02:00,720 --> 01:02:03,440
Speaker 1: fourth fifth corner coming in? Like that's the kind of

1163
01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:05,000
Speaker 1: stuff you need to be able to do, I think,

1164
01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:08,000
Speaker 1: to just make those plays. I definitely, I definitely agree

1165
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:10,800
Speaker 1: with what you guys are saying. Like obviously, like generally,

1166
01:02:11,240 --> 01:02:13,640
Speaker 1: offenses is what the NFL is being geared to us,

1167
01:02:13,640 --> 01:02:15,800
Speaker 1: and that's because they want to preserve the Brady versus

1168
01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:19,360
Speaker 1: Manning versus Rogers versus whomever match us because that makes

1169
01:02:19,400 --> 01:02:23,400
Speaker 1: the money right and advertising revenue and these people as

1170
01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:26,880
Speaker 1: celebrities and products and YadA YadA, Like that's why, Like

1171
01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:28,440
Speaker 1: it is the way that it is now, which I

1172
01:02:28,440 --> 01:02:31,640
Speaker 1: think is kind of disgusting. And we've honestly played a

1173
01:02:31,720 --> 01:02:35,080
Speaker 1: part in that gearing that way. But why is it

1174
01:02:36,520 --> 01:02:40,080
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, But I'm saying, situationally, we have an elite

1175
01:02:40,160 --> 01:02:43,800
Speaker 1: defensive mind who's worked with probably the greatest defensive player

1176
01:02:43,880 --> 01:02:46,360
Speaker 1: ever and one of the teams and the Giants and

1177
01:02:46,520 --> 01:02:49,160
Speaker 1: some of the teams that we have here. I'm just saying, situationally,

1178
01:02:49,240 --> 01:02:53,720
Speaker 1: we have an opportunity to just make the defense except

1179
01:02:53,800 --> 01:02:56,640
Speaker 1: that Mac is mediocre at best, and teach him how

1180
01:02:56,720 --> 01:02:59,920
Speaker 1: to do what Brady different years, which is avoid intentional

1181
01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:03,960
Speaker 1: rounding by like throwing the ball. You know it's somebody's

1182
01:03:06,080 --> 01:03:08,040
Speaker 1: Those guys just still thinks Brady was just along for

1183
01:03:08,080 --> 01:03:11,400
Speaker 1: the ride. Yeah, I wish we could teach him to

1184
01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:15,320
Speaker 1: do what Brady did. I mean, like the greatest in

1185
01:03:15,360 --> 01:03:19,080
Speaker 1: two thousand and one, Brady was thanks was was just

1186
01:03:19,160 --> 01:03:22,800
Speaker 1: steering the ship. Every other Super Bowl he was instrumentally

1187
01:03:22,920 --> 01:03:28,320
Speaker 1: a part of Oh yeah, of course. Um Evan hit

1188
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:43,959
Speaker 1: us back from practice. Evan, Evan Evans, all right, Evan,

1189
01:03:44,040 --> 01:03:45,960
Speaker 1: it's all on you, a lot of pressure. So how

1190
01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:50,280
Speaker 1: did Mac look? He was not there? No, he I

1191
01:03:50,320 --> 01:03:54,000
Speaker 1: just can't believe this. I can't believe this. He is sure.

1192
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:58,160
Speaker 1: He is just weak and not a team player. I'm

1193
01:03:58,160 --> 01:04:00,520
Speaker 1: gonna say it, maybe the first want to say it.

1194
01:04:00,720 --> 01:04:03,880
Speaker 1: Not a team player who doesn't want it. Yes, So

1195
01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:06,880
Speaker 1: it's a two quarterback day for the Patriots. Brian Hoyer

1196
01:04:06,920 --> 01:04:11,040
Speaker 1: and Bailey Zappy out at practice today, only two quarterbacks

1197
01:04:11,040 --> 01:04:14,840
Speaker 1: on the field. No Lawrence Guy either suffered that shoulder

1198
01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:19,320
Speaker 1: injury late in the game against Baltimore. He was also missing.

1199
01:04:19,360 --> 01:04:21,840
Speaker 1: Those are the two players missing from the fifty three

1200
01:04:21,840 --> 01:04:26,160
Speaker 1: man rosters. So Jacobe Myers, Kyle Dugger, Ray Kwon McMillan,

1201
01:04:26,200 --> 01:04:28,680
Speaker 1: we're all out there for the Patriots. I would say

1202
01:04:28,680 --> 01:04:32,760
Speaker 1: that looked like Dugger and Myers maybe a little bit

1203
01:04:32,760 --> 01:04:35,200
Speaker 1: more participation certainly than what we saw last week, which

1204
01:04:35,240 --> 01:04:38,600
Speaker 1: is no participation based off the reporters. They didn't have

1205
01:04:38,600 --> 01:04:40,800
Speaker 1: red jerseys on or anything. No, no, So they were

1206
01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:43,080
Speaker 1: out there. So that's a good sign for the Patriots.

1207
01:04:43,120 --> 01:04:45,400
Speaker 1: So if it's going to be Brian Hoyer, it seems

1208
01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:48,280
Speaker 1: like maybe he will have his full compliment of receivers

1209
01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:51,600
Speaker 1: at least, which would be good. Were they in pads today.

1210
01:04:51,800 --> 01:04:57,320
Speaker 1: They were not pass again today, So that's why because

1211
01:04:57,640 --> 01:05:00,800
Speaker 1: no pa, Yeah, what's the point he creates content? Seems

1212
01:05:00,800 --> 01:05:04,600
Speaker 1: like a pretty common theme I would say already with

1213
01:05:04,680 --> 01:05:08,480
Speaker 1: this season is I haven't seen very many, if at all,

1214
01:05:08,680 --> 01:05:12,720
Speaker 1: fully padded practices. Now that the regular season has started,

1215
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:16,760
Speaker 1: it's been mostly shells and nothing, you know, no leg

1216
01:05:16,800 --> 01:05:20,560
Speaker 1: pads and stuff like that. Yeah, and um, what was

1217
01:05:20,600 --> 01:05:26,840
Speaker 1: the mood? You know, look, I think that everybody. I'm

1218
01:05:26,840 --> 01:05:29,560
Speaker 1: not saying everybody in terms of the players and the coaches.

1219
01:05:29,600 --> 01:05:31,920
Speaker 1: We haven't really spoken to the players too much yet.

1220
01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:35,120
Speaker 1: I will speak to them later today. But look, it's

1221
01:05:35,200 --> 01:05:38,040
Speaker 1: it's disappointing when the starting quarterback is not out there,

1222
01:05:38,120 --> 01:05:41,120
Speaker 1: whether it's you're a fan and you want to see

1223
01:05:41,200 --> 01:05:43,680
Speaker 1: the best players play, you're covering the team and you

1224
01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:46,200
Speaker 1: just want to cover the best players that could possibly

1225
01:05:46,240 --> 01:05:49,800
Speaker 1: be out there. It's just not ever a great mood

1226
01:05:49,880 --> 01:05:53,479
Speaker 1: when your starting quarterback is injured. And we're not really

1227
01:05:53,560 --> 01:05:56,320
Speaker 1: used to it. I would say also around here, wait

1228
01:05:56,320 --> 01:06:00,560
Speaker 1: till tomorrow, we're not We're not changed to it. Media

1229
01:06:00,640 --> 01:06:06,320
Speaker 1: grousing anything, no, no, nothing, nothing really the going on

1230
01:06:06,400 --> 01:06:08,400
Speaker 1: with the media. There was a little bit of confusion

1231
01:06:08,520 --> 01:06:10,840
Speaker 1: with which clock we were on, you know, when we

1232
01:06:10,840 --> 01:06:12,959
Speaker 1: were going to get kicked out. I like this story

1233
01:06:13,120 --> 01:06:16,480
Speaker 1: of practice, so there is there is some tweets that

1234
01:06:16,520 --> 01:06:20,480
Speaker 1: were maybe fired off before the gun and a lot

1235
01:06:20,520 --> 01:06:24,480
Speaker 1: of arms waving from PR. Yeah, that's always confusing. You

1236
01:06:24,520 --> 01:06:26,320
Speaker 1: think that we're leaving, and you know they think that

1237
01:06:26,400 --> 01:06:28,840
Speaker 1: our time is up, so you send, you send, tweet.

1238
01:06:29,080 --> 01:06:31,720
Speaker 1: You know I found out Lawrence Guy wasn't out there

1239
01:06:31,760 --> 01:06:33,800
Speaker 1: before they was supposed to. Yeah, I always wait to

1240
01:06:33,840 --> 01:06:38,240
Speaker 1: be chaout. I'm always I'm always d shorts a wise

1241
01:06:38,280 --> 01:06:41,360
Speaker 1: crouse of action now that I am not your jumping

1242
01:06:41,400 --> 01:06:44,160
Speaker 1: the gun. But there'll never be in trouble for being

1243
01:06:44,160 --> 01:06:46,560
Speaker 1: a little late. Yeah, exactly right. That's how I feel

1244
01:06:46,560 --> 01:06:48,960
Speaker 1: as well. Well, I think that's bummer about Lawrence Guy.

1245
01:06:49,000 --> 01:06:51,400
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's significant with the running backs

1246
01:06:51,920 --> 01:06:53,920
Speaker 1: that has just kind of been like totally overshadowed to

1247
01:06:54,200 --> 01:06:56,320
Speaker 1: no I know, And it's too bad because I actually

1248
01:06:56,360 --> 01:06:57,680
Speaker 1: had a nice talk with him last week in the

1249
01:06:57,720 --> 01:07:00,200
Speaker 1: locker room. We'd be buried our old I wouldn't worry

1250
01:07:00,200 --> 01:07:02,479
Speaker 1: Aboudi's day to day. That would be funny. If today

1251
01:07:02,560 --> 01:07:04,800
Speaker 1: Bill came out and like all the questions were about

1252
01:07:04,840 --> 01:07:08,000
Speaker 1: Lawrence Got, we should have them. We should have coordinated

1253
01:07:08,640 --> 01:07:12,120
Speaker 1: gushing about the Packers running backs this morning once we

1254
01:07:12,640 --> 01:07:14,680
Speaker 1: got off the mac Jones questions and odd to some

1255
01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:21,320
Speaker 1: questions about that's Aaron Jones just gushing about how hard

1256
01:07:21,360 --> 01:07:23,680
Speaker 1: these guys aren't a tackle, how many they you know,

1257
01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:26,640
Speaker 1: break so many tackles they got They've got great feel

1258
01:07:26,680 --> 01:07:28,960
Speaker 1: for you know, they're an outside zone team. There's that

1259
01:07:29,200 --> 01:07:32,280
Speaker 1: that word again, and they're great at finding the cutback

1260
01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:35,040
Speaker 1: lanes and Rogers throws them to football. I mean just

1261
01:07:35,160 --> 01:07:37,680
Speaker 1: gushing about the Packers running back. So you know that

1262
01:07:37,800 --> 01:07:40,040
Speaker 1: this is a running game that they respect. So not

1263
01:07:40,160 --> 01:07:42,720
Speaker 1: having Lawrence guy out there will be a pretty big

1264
01:07:42,800 --> 01:07:45,360
Speaker 1: loss this week. Who needs to step up? I think

1265
01:07:45,400 --> 01:07:48,959
Speaker 1: it's bar more honestly, you know on early downs gets

1266
01:07:48,960 --> 01:07:51,720
Speaker 1: out there. Look, the Dietrich wise has played eighty two

1267
01:07:51,720 --> 01:07:54,800
Speaker 1: percent of the snaps, which is ridiculous for the Patriots standards.

1268
01:07:54,840 --> 01:07:57,160
Speaker 1: It's been eight years. Actually looked U up this morning

1269
01:07:57,240 --> 01:08:00,320
Speaker 1: since the player has a defensive lineman has played over

1270
01:08:00,440 --> 01:08:03,160
Speaker 1: eighty percent of the snaps, and that was Rob Nikovic.

1271
01:08:03,200 --> 01:08:06,680
Speaker 1: So I don't know, you know the end line. Yeah,

1272
01:08:06,840 --> 01:08:09,520
Speaker 1: but Trey Flowers, you know, he was always up seventy

1273
01:08:09,600 --> 01:08:12,400
Speaker 1: seventy five percent. Chandler Jones was seventy five percent or

1274
01:08:12,480 --> 01:08:15,240
Speaker 1: seventy eight percent excuse me, in his last not his

1275
01:08:15,360 --> 01:08:17,559
Speaker 1: last season, maybe it was his last season twenty and fifteen.

1276
01:08:17,560 --> 01:08:19,080
Speaker 1: I think that might be good thing he corrected that,

1277
01:08:19,120 --> 01:08:20,720
Speaker 1: because when I was going to credit him with that,

1278
01:08:20,840 --> 01:08:22,280
Speaker 1: when I go on fell great mass I would have

1279
01:08:22,320 --> 01:08:26,360
Speaker 1: looked like not seventy five, seventy eight taken notes, So

1280
01:08:26,840 --> 01:08:29,160
Speaker 1: Dietrich wise being at eighty two percent I think is

1281
01:08:29,280 --> 01:08:32,400
Speaker 1: really really notable. But in that game against Baltimore in

1282
01:08:32,439 --> 01:08:34,679
Speaker 1: the second half, the adjustment, although it was too little,

1283
01:08:34,720 --> 01:08:37,479
Speaker 1: too late, the adjustment that they made was Godshaw and

1284
01:08:37,640 --> 01:08:40,639
Speaker 1: Barmore at the end spots and Carl Davis at nose

1285
01:08:40,720 --> 01:08:44,280
Speaker 1: tackle and getting that bigger package out there to try

1286
01:08:44,320 --> 01:08:46,080
Speaker 1: to you know, Belichick talked about it after the game.

1287
01:08:46,120 --> 01:08:49,639
Speaker 1: The c gap runs right, Those off tackle gap schemes

1288
01:08:49,680 --> 01:08:51,920
Speaker 1: that they were running were giving them all sorts of problems,

1289
01:08:51,960 --> 01:08:54,519
Speaker 1: and once they moved Godshaw and Barmore out to that

1290
01:08:54,640 --> 01:08:58,120
Speaker 1: five technique outside the defensive end, they were able to

1291
01:08:58,240 --> 01:09:00,479
Speaker 1: manage it a little bit better. It was obvious, you know,

1292
01:09:00,520 --> 01:09:02,600
Speaker 1: the damage has already done at that point, but that

1293
01:09:02,800 --> 01:09:06,439
Speaker 1: was the adjustments. That's interesting though, the usage for a

1294
01:09:06,520 --> 01:09:09,519
Speaker 1: guy like why is playing that much um and all seriousness.

1295
01:09:09,560 --> 01:09:12,439
Speaker 1: That's significantly more than what they usually do. Oh yeah,

1296
01:09:13,200 --> 01:09:15,479
Speaker 1: it kind of speaks a little bit. I don't want

1297
01:09:15,520 --> 01:09:19,200
Speaker 1: to use the word desperation, but they you know, they

1298
01:09:19,320 --> 01:09:21,080
Speaker 1: took some younger They did what I wanted to do,

1299
01:09:21,240 --> 01:09:23,280
Speaker 1: so I'm not complaining about it. They took some young

1300
01:09:23,360 --> 01:09:26,840
Speaker 1: guys that probably aren't really ready to fill roles yet,

1301
01:09:27,120 --> 01:09:30,120
Speaker 1: and as a result, you're seeing more, you know. I

1302
01:09:30,360 --> 01:09:32,240
Speaker 1: like the fact that that Barmore is going to be

1303
01:09:32,280 --> 01:09:35,559
Speaker 1: asked to do more. I like your answer. I think

1304
01:09:35,600 --> 01:09:37,679
Speaker 1: he's a really good player, so I know he's probably

1305
01:09:37,720 --> 01:09:39,720
Speaker 1: getting more attention than he did as a rookie. It's

1306
01:09:39,760 --> 01:09:43,240
Speaker 1: probably getting some double teams I think he did as

1307
01:09:43,280 --> 01:09:45,200
Speaker 1: a rookie as well. He's got to beat them. Yeah,

1308
01:09:45,560 --> 01:09:47,680
Speaker 1: And if you want more playing time and you want

1309
01:09:47,680 --> 01:09:49,320
Speaker 1: to be more of a full time player, which I

1310
01:09:49,400 --> 01:09:51,880
Speaker 1: think he should be, then you got to play better

1311
01:09:51,920 --> 01:09:53,880
Speaker 1: against the run too. I don't think he's been terrible,

1312
01:09:53,960 --> 01:09:56,600
Speaker 1: but we haven't. Like the first three games have not

1313
01:09:56,720 --> 01:09:59,439
Speaker 1: been like the games that I remember from him last year. Yeah,

1314
01:09:59,479 --> 01:10:03,479
Speaker 1: I mean about blue chippers on the roster. How many

1315
01:10:03,560 --> 01:10:06,640
Speaker 1: Bude chippers did the Patriots really have? And if one

1316
01:10:06,680 --> 01:10:09,880
Speaker 1: of those blue chippers is not making a blue chip

1317
01:10:09,960 --> 01:10:13,400
Speaker 1: impact on defense in Christian Barmore, I think the Pittsburgh

1318
01:10:13,439 --> 01:10:15,479
Speaker 1: game was good for him. I think I locked him

1319
01:10:15,479 --> 01:10:18,200
Speaker 1: with like five quarterback pressures, so I think he played

1320
01:10:18,200 --> 01:10:21,800
Speaker 1: better against Pittsburgh. But the Sandwich weeks right week one

1321
01:10:21,840 --> 01:10:25,479
Speaker 1: in Week three, we're not necessarily as impactful as Okay,

1322
01:10:25,560 --> 01:10:28,640
Speaker 1: it's far more a dugger when he's healthy. You know,

1323
01:10:28,720 --> 01:10:30,960
Speaker 1: those are the guys that they really need to play,

1324
01:10:31,360 --> 01:10:34,559
Speaker 1: like blue chip impact, high impact guys. Right now, Wise

1325
01:10:34,680 --> 01:10:37,240
Speaker 1: is the one that's picked up the slack and really,

1326
01:10:37,479 --> 01:10:39,120
Speaker 1: which is just so weird because we had so much

1327
01:10:39,120 --> 01:10:42,040
Speaker 1: conversation this offseason about like, guys need to progress, guys

1328
01:10:42,120 --> 01:10:44,040
Speaker 1: need to step up. I don't think anybody thought it

1329
01:10:44,120 --> 01:10:47,400
Speaker 1: was going to be year sixty six. Year made the jump,

1330
01:10:47,479 --> 01:10:50,320
Speaker 1: Like you're talking, well, you're too jump. We need Christian Marmore,

1331
01:10:50,360 --> 01:10:53,000
Speaker 1: mac Jones, you know, like all these guys. And for me,

1332
01:10:53,080 --> 01:10:55,679
Speaker 1: it's the ruse. I think he's been Like I always

1333
01:10:55,760 --> 01:10:59,640
Speaker 1: thought he was periodically effective as a pass Russia, but

1334
01:11:00,120 --> 01:11:03,240
Speaker 1: I always thought teams ran at him totally. I don't.

1335
01:11:03,479 --> 01:11:06,200
Speaker 1: I haven't seen that a ton this year. Um, so

1336
01:11:06,439 --> 01:11:08,080
Speaker 1: he's played better. But like when I was talking about,

1337
01:11:08,080 --> 01:11:10,639
Speaker 1: like like a guy like Sam Roberts makes the run,

1338
01:11:10,720 --> 01:11:13,040
Speaker 1: he's probably not gonna play. Yeah, so you want some

1339
01:11:13,160 --> 01:11:15,280
Speaker 1: of those guys because you gotta start replacing some of

1340
01:11:15,320 --> 01:11:18,320
Speaker 1: these players with with younger prospects. But at the same time,

1341
01:11:18,600 --> 01:11:21,160
Speaker 1: to EV's point, where else are you gonna go? He's

1342
01:11:21,200 --> 01:11:22,600
Speaker 1: got to play eighty two percent of this thing. You

1343
01:11:22,640 --> 01:11:25,400
Speaker 1: can't put Sam Roberts into the game, you know. I

1344
01:11:25,640 --> 01:11:28,000
Speaker 1: think a quality being back sort of helps a little

1345
01:11:28,000 --> 01:11:30,560
Speaker 1: bit with the rotation in there. Maybe he's kind of

1346
01:11:30,600 --> 01:11:33,600
Speaker 1: doing that. Tetrick Wise now role is like kind of

1347
01:11:33,640 --> 01:11:36,439
Speaker 1: guy like Barmore certainly inside, but but him too a

1348
01:11:36,479 --> 01:11:37,880
Speaker 1: little bit. I mean, he didn't nice play on that

1349
01:11:37,920 --> 01:11:40,000
Speaker 1: first third down where he always another guy that when

1350
01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:41,880
Speaker 1: he's out there, he tends to show up in the

1351
01:11:41,920 --> 01:11:45,120
Speaker 1: pass rush like he's active. Yeah, I don't know, just

1352
01:11:45,960 --> 01:11:48,599
Speaker 1: he doesn't play a ton, but I tend to notice

1353
01:11:48,680 --> 01:11:52,120
Speaker 1: him every game. Yeah, it seems like Dietrich Wise's recognition

1354
01:11:52,360 --> 01:11:54,560
Speaker 1: in the run game is a lot better than what

1355
01:11:54,720 --> 01:11:57,960
Speaker 1: we saw in years past. Look, he's he's a higher

1356
01:11:58,000 --> 01:12:01,400
Speaker 1: cut guy, so lever just difficult for him at six

1357
01:12:01,479 --> 01:12:03,720
Speaker 1: foot six to be the lower man. But he's been

1358
01:12:03,760 --> 01:12:06,120
Speaker 1: able to anticipate blocks a little bit better. He had

1359
01:12:06,200 --> 01:12:09,560
Speaker 1: that stuff against Pittsburgh where he swum the guy and

1360
01:12:09,680 --> 01:12:12,240
Speaker 1: got right into the backfield, and then this past week

1361
01:12:12,320 --> 01:12:15,560
Speaker 1: Devin Duverney motions into the backfield and they try to

1362
01:12:15,680 --> 01:12:17,840
Speaker 1: hand it off to Duverney and he set the edge.

1363
01:12:18,080 --> 01:12:19,400
Speaker 1: You know, those are the types of things that I

1364
01:12:19,479 --> 01:12:22,679
Speaker 1: think having that type of recognition block id, that type

1365
01:12:22,720 --> 01:12:25,719
Speaker 1: of stuff really helps a guy like Dietrich wise, because

1366
01:12:26,040 --> 01:12:28,960
Speaker 1: he's not going to be naturally a low man and

1367
01:12:29,160 --> 01:12:31,400
Speaker 1: wins type of players, So he's got to be able

1368
01:12:31,479 --> 01:12:34,800
Speaker 1: to see it quickly and react to it quickly so

1369
01:12:34,920 --> 01:12:36,720
Speaker 1: that he doesn't get his pads too high. That was

1370
01:12:36,760 --> 01:12:40,519
Speaker 1: always his problem as he got it. Yeah. Well, I

1371
01:12:40,600 --> 01:12:43,719
Speaker 1: mean this is to be a good challenge. Like you said, Evan,

1372
01:12:44,280 --> 01:12:47,599
Speaker 1: and like Bill said this morning, the Packers are running well.

1373
01:12:47,640 --> 01:12:49,439
Speaker 1: And I don't know. He might have the numbers in

1374
01:12:49,520 --> 01:12:51,680
Speaker 1: front of you, but I think the running game is

1375
01:12:51,720 --> 01:12:54,720
Speaker 1: more productive now than the Aaron Rodgers passing game. Oh yeah,

1376
01:12:54,800 --> 01:12:57,599
Speaker 1: they don't have any receivers, so yeah, absolutely true. Yep.

1377
01:12:58,280 --> 01:13:01,200
Speaker 1: Aaron Jones zavish in almost seven years carry. Yeah, and

1378
01:13:01,560 --> 01:13:03,880
Speaker 1: it's not like he's got a big sample set. It's

1379
01:13:03,920 --> 01:13:05,840
Speaker 1: not like he's only getting out thirty two carries two

1380
01:13:05,920 --> 01:13:08,040
Speaker 1: hundred and seventeen yards. Yeah. Yeah, him and Dylan, I

1381
01:13:08,080 --> 01:13:10,240
Speaker 1: mean they're pretty balanced. You know, forty carries for Dylan

1382
01:13:10,360 --> 01:13:13,439
Speaker 1: not not quite as productive. But obviously the size with Dylan,

1383
01:13:13,520 --> 01:13:14,840
Speaker 1: that's the big thing. I mean, he's kind of like

1384
01:13:14,920 --> 01:13:18,280
Speaker 1: the poor man there, Derrick Henry there. Um. But yeah,

1385
01:13:18,320 --> 01:13:20,800
Speaker 1: it's it's gonna be a challenged for those guys. Yeah. Um,

1386
01:13:20,920 --> 01:13:23,599
Speaker 1: do we have a weather early weather report for Lambeau

1387
01:13:23,760 --> 01:13:27,640
Speaker 1: Sunday twenty five? Day by day? We don't know, no

1388
01:13:27,760 --> 01:13:30,080
Speaker 1: one some hurricane remnants. They have apps so you can

1389
01:13:30,160 --> 01:13:34,160
Speaker 1: check the hurricane remnants. I thought I'd mentioned maybe it

1390
01:13:34,200 --> 01:13:37,400
Speaker 1: was Tamara, but the person sitting in Eric's old seat

1391
01:13:37,560 --> 01:13:40,280
Speaker 1: is responsible for the weather. No one ever told me this.

1392
01:13:40,560 --> 01:13:43,240
Speaker 1: Non I was the weather girl. It might have been

1393
01:13:43,280 --> 01:13:49,920
Speaker 1: Tamara fre Fred, doesn't you know I remember Green Bay, Wisconsin.

1394
01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:52,920
Speaker 1: Here it comes, wait for it. That's taken a while.

1395
01:13:53,720 --> 01:13:55,720
Speaker 1: I'll get back to you. So that's spread. By the way,

1396
01:13:55,720 --> 01:13:57,559
Speaker 1: we talked a lot about the spread yesterday and someone

1397
01:13:57,640 --> 01:14:00,559
Speaker 1: called in. It's up over over ten in some places now,

1398
01:14:00,640 --> 01:14:03,719
Speaker 1: so there has been significant movement in the line since.

1399
01:14:03,920 --> 01:14:06,439
Speaker 1: Uh oh, although maybe it'll go back down now. Based

1400
01:14:06,479 --> 01:14:12,679
Speaker 1: on Belichick's Prescott forty eight, Max could go forty chi. Yeah,

1401
01:14:12,720 --> 01:14:18,479
Speaker 1: I have a hive sixty two. Okay, Sunday right, you've

1402
01:14:18,560 --> 01:14:21,360
Speaker 1: got to dress for everything, just the just the man. Wait,

1403
01:14:21,439 --> 01:14:25,519
Speaker 1: which do you read? Well, you have to go hourly?

1404
01:14:25,640 --> 01:14:28,599
Speaker 1: I read the mom you have to go hourly stwenty five.

1405
01:14:28,920 --> 01:14:31,880
Speaker 1: Mike said I had the wrong one, sixty two sixty two. Sorry,

1406
01:14:32,360 --> 01:14:35,439
Speaker 1: I thought I was reading the weather. Prescott went from

1407
01:14:35,479 --> 01:14:36,920
Speaker 1: ten and a half to nine and a half. You

1408
01:14:36,960 --> 01:14:39,560
Speaker 1: could because Matt could play. I think I think I

1409
01:14:39,600 --> 01:14:41,840
Speaker 1: saw that it might have moved last night. Actually, not

1410
01:14:41,960 --> 01:14:46,920
Speaker 1: to take away, but when I'm in the middle of

1411
01:14:47,000 --> 01:14:48,680
Speaker 1: being a smart as you gotta let me be a

1412
01:14:48,720 --> 01:14:52,360
Speaker 1: start ass. Don't let him do his thing, all right?

1413
01:14:52,479 --> 01:14:54,519
Speaker 1: Eight five five past five hundred is the eight stick

1414
01:14:54,560 --> 01:14:57,000
Speaker 1: at a hot line. Let's see what Melvin in Tennessee

1415
01:14:57,080 --> 01:15:01,240
Speaker 1: has to say. What's up Melvin going on? Hey, hey,

1416
01:15:01,920 --> 01:15:04,839
Speaker 1: it was funny with that. Um, I guess the conversation

1417
01:15:04,880 --> 01:15:08,360
Speaker 1: you're talking about, what Vince real quick that I was

1418
01:15:08,439 --> 01:15:12,000
Speaker 1: just kind of thinking the same thing in progression with Balmore,

1419
01:15:12,160 --> 01:15:15,639
Speaker 1: of course, that you'd like to see. I guess during

1420
01:15:15,640 --> 01:15:17,760
Speaker 1: the summer you started to get these ideas, obviously, like

1421
01:15:17,920 --> 01:15:20,000
Speaker 1: the oo chase, the way I never can really get

1422
01:15:20,040 --> 01:15:22,960
Speaker 1: into him because he's always better in the summer than

1423
01:15:22,960 --> 01:15:25,920
Speaker 1: he is during the regular season. But you wanted to

1424
01:15:26,000 --> 01:15:28,840
Speaker 1: see Balmore step up. You wanted to see a lot

1425
01:15:28,880 --> 01:15:30,479
Speaker 1: of people at the front step man. They can catch

1426
01:15:30,560 --> 01:15:34,240
Speaker 1: up the teacher wise, just so somewhold be I guess

1427
01:15:35,720 --> 01:15:38,840
Speaker 1: they give them Shelves a shot. I would imagine a

1428
01:15:38,920 --> 01:15:41,080
Speaker 1: low shot at that, but still I think this would

1429
01:15:41,080 --> 01:15:44,040
Speaker 1: be like a low twenties. The team's games and then

1430
01:15:44,120 --> 01:15:46,639
Speaker 1: who knows what can go from there. And but if

1431
01:15:46,760 --> 01:15:49,439
Speaker 1: you don't control Aaron Jones and Dylan which I think

1432
01:15:49,600 --> 01:15:52,520
Speaker 1: obviously the Patriots will try to use Damian Harris Stevenson.

1433
01:15:53,080 --> 01:15:54,840
Speaker 1: Then if you all don't, if you can't control us,

1434
01:15:54,840 --> 01:15:56,320
Speaker 1: so you're gonna be in for a long day with

1435
01:15:56,600 --> 01:15:58,280
Speaker 1: the Packers. They can get they don't have a lot

1436
01:15:58,360 --> 01:16:00,320
Speaker 1: of receivers, but if you who cares if you can't

1437
01:16:00,360 --> 01:16:04,080
Speaker 1: stop the run. So I think that'll be a key

1438
01:16:04,120 --> 01:16:06,840
Speaker 1: to this game, clear for them to at least maybe

1439
01:16:06,920 --> 01:16:10,400
Speaker 1: get them down in the red zone without maybe you know,

1440
01:16:10,520 --> 01:16:12,599
Speaker 1: getting some field goals and they're not allowing them as

1441
01:16:12,680 --> 01:16:15,280
Speaker 1: money touchdowns. Yeah, because if nothing, you won't catch up

1442
01:16:15,320 --> 01:16:18,000
Speaker 1: to them. Obviously, Okay, but that would be it. I

1443
01:16:18,120 --> 01:16:20,840
Speaker 1: think if if they get a chance to get into

1444
01:16:22,439 --> 01:16:24,800
Speaker 1: low chance, clearly. But if you get a chance to

1445
01:16:24,840 --> 01:16:26,680
Speaker 1: get too into I mean, the season's vital. I think

1446
01:16:26,680 --> 01:16:28,599
Speaker 1: Paul talked about that you can't give up and throwing

1447
01:16:28,600 --> 01:16:32,439
Speaker 1: it now, no way, no way. But I mean, regardless

1448
01:16:32,479 --> 01:16:34,559
Speaker 1: of what happened Sunday, you can't throw in the towel

1449
01:16:34,640 --> 01:16:38,479
Speaker 1: like it's early in the season. Still the long way

1450
01:16:38,520 --> 01:16:40,479
Speaker 1: to go. What's this thing with you and Aldred? You

1451
01:16:40,560 --> 01:16:43,600
Speaker 1: owe him mistake or something? It's getting cocky. No, just

1452
01:16:44,400 --> 01:16:46,439
Speaker 1: you know, being lgent. I just call him and tis

1453
01:16:46,560 --> 01:16:50,280
Speaker 1: them off because I enjoy it. Okay, that's we had

1454
01:16:50,280 --> 01:16:54,479
Speaker 1: a lot of baby. Yeah, yeah, that's it all right though,

1455
01:16:55,000 --> 01:16:57,720
Speaker 1: Thanks men, throwing some gas on the flames of the

1456
01:16:58,200 --> 01:17:07,200
Speaker 1: person's arguments that are going on saying about uh, Dan's

1457
01:17:07,240 --> 01:17:11,080
Speaker 1: in Virginia and Michigan. What's up Dan? Yeah, guys, we're

1458
01:17:11,920 --> 01:17:14,759
Speaker 1: playing the Packers this weekend. I got a question about

1459
01:17:15,040 --> 01:17:19,559
Speaker 1: green band general, rather than this particular matchup. A lot

1460
01:17:19,640 --> 01:17:22,360
Speaker 1: of times I see people saying that if Aaron Rodgers

1461
01:17:22,479 --> 01:17:25,280
Speaker 1: was with Bill Belichick, that he would have won more

1462
01:17:25,479 --> 01:17:29,680
Speaker 1: Super Bowls than Tom Brady. My thinking in regards to that, though,

1463
01:17:29,840 --> 01:17:32,160
Speaker 1: is that I don't know that either of them would

1464
01:17:32,160 --> 01:17:36,320
Speaker 1: have lasted with the other for the six seasons it

1465
01:17:36,360 --> 01:17:39,400
Speaker 1: would require to win six Super Bowls. I think that

1466
01:17:40,439 --> 01:17:45,680
Speaker 1: Bill wouldn't tolerate rogers uncoachability and his freelancing and his

1467
01:17:45,840 --> 01:17:48,599
Speaker 1: contract demands. And I don't know that Rogers could really

1468
01:17:48,640 --> 01:17:51,880
Speaker 1: stand being coached as hard as Bill tends to coach people.

1469
01:17:52,400 --> 01:17:54,559
Speaker 1: What do you think do you think I've never heard

1470
01:17:54,600 --> 01:17:56,920
Speaker 1: anyone say that that that marriage would have been more

1471
01:17:56,920 --> 01:17:59,559
Speaker 1: successful than Brady. And the one guy who I think

1472
01:17:59,640 --> 01:18:02,840
Speaker 1: is the the resident expert on that, yeah, because he's

1473
01:18:02,880 --> 01:18:05,840
Speaker 1: a psychotic Packers fan is Felger. Yeah, and he says

1474
01:18:05,880 --> 01:18:08,280
Speaker 1: there's absolutely no chance, yeah, that that would have worked

1475
01:18:08,320 --> 01:18:10,760
Speaker 1: for exactly the reasons Dan just I was neither one

1476
01:18:10,760 --> 01:18:13,479
Speaker 1: of them would have. I think Dan makes some good points.

1477
01:18:13,920 --> 01:18:18,759
Speaker 1: It's the stuff that we forget about to be consistently great.

1478
01:18:19,320 --> 01:18:22,680
Speaker 1: It's that other stuff. It's not just playing football. It's

1479
01:18:22,720 --> 01:18:25,720
Speaker 1: the contract demands. I thought Dan, I thought explained it

1480
01:18:25,880 --> 01:18:28,799
Speaker 1: on both sides really well. Yeah, I why it wouldn't

1481
01:18:28,880 --> 01:18:32,080
Speaker 1: wouldn't necessarily I agree. I think Brady and Belichick were

1482
01:18:32,120 --> 01:18:35,280
Speaker 1: the perfect match, despite how it ended up. I think

1483
01:18:35,320 --> 01:18:38,280
Speaker 1: they were the perfect match. I also think that, like

1484
01:18:38,439 --> 01:18:41,680
Speaker 1: I mean, I think Aaron Rodgers is just an amazing athlete,

1485
01:18:42,120 --> 01:18:44,240
Speaker 1: but I also think, like Tom Brady, what makes him

1486
01:18:44,280 --> 01:18:46,679
Speaker 1: so special was his ability to perform in the clutch

1487
01:18:46,840 --> 01:18:48,920
Speaker 1: and as good as an athlete as Aaron Rodgers is.

1488
01:18:49,320 --> 01:18:50,640
Speaker 1: I don't know if you would have had the same

1489
01:18:50,680 --> 01:18:55,759
Speaker 1: performance as like Look ten yeah no, look at Rogers

1490
01:18:56,040 --> 01:18:59,880
Speaker 1: record trailing you know, latent games. It's it's not good,

1491
01:19:00,640 --> 01:19:03,920
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah. How about his fraudulent home field winning

1492
01:19:04,400 --> 01:19:08,799
Speaker 1: streak right now after a record? Why is that fraudulent

1493
01:19:09,040 --> 01:19:12,880
Speaker 1: because there's losses in between in the playoffs. Oh, it's

1494
01:19:12,880 --> 01:19:15,320
Speaker 1: just like I'm a little old school. I like my

1495
01:19:15,400 --> 01:19:17,600
Speaker 1: winning streaks to include only wins. I agree, I'm a

1496
01:19:17,600 --> 01:19:19,880
Speaker 1: little old school like that, because you're playing the best teams.

1497
01:19:19,920 --> 01:19:22,160
Speaker 1: Those are the you know they're counting the preseason ones too.

1498
01:19:22,560 --> 01:19:25,639
Speaker 1: Preseason one's count So Dan, you think there's a chance

1499
01:19:25,720 --> 01:19:32,080
Speaker 1: this weekend? I don't think. I don't think he said that,

1500
01:19:33,479 --> 01:19:35,400
Speaker 1: all right. I think there's a chance, Dan, I mean

1501
01:19:35,439 --> 01:19:37,920
Speaker 1: I I I always think there's a chance. Do you

1502
01:19:38,000 --> 01:19:39,439
Speaker 1: think there's a chance you get you set up? I

1503
01:19:39,479 --> 01:19:42,439
Speaker 1: think there's a punchers chance. You said to be Green Bay. Yeah,

1504
01:19:44,880 --> 01:19:47,120
Speaker 1: that's a plus four and turnover chance. So if you

1505
01:19:47,160 --> 01:19:49,519
Speaker 1: want to say that, yeah, like there's always a chance

1506
01:19:49,560 --> 01:19:53,880
Speaker 1: of teams implodes, right, right, that can happen, like you see,

1507
01:19:54,000 --> 01:19:57,200
Speaker 1: but you think, all things being even, there's no chance, no, none,

1508
01:19:57,680 --> 01:20:00,479
Speaker 1: not even a little. I think this Packer team, just

1509
01:20:00,640 --> 01:20:03,920
Speaker 1: watching them yesterday, it reminds me so much of the

1510
01:20:03,960 --> 01:20:06,800
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen Patriots. You're just gonna say they're not that good,

1511
01:20:06,840 --> 01:20:09,200
Speaker 1: and I would say, I agree, Yeah, well the twenty

1512
01:20:09,280 --> 01:20:11,800
Speaker 1: nineteen Patriots didn't end up being that good either, so

1513
01:20:12,160 --> 01:20:14,040
Speaker 1: it kind of but you know what I'm saying. You

1514
01:20:14,080 --> 01:20:17,120
Speaker 1: know what the twenty nineteen Patriots teams did, They beat

1515
01:20:17,160 --> 01:20:19,920
Speaker 1: teams like this. Yeah, yeah, that's definitely true. I think

1516
01:20:19,960 --> 01:20:24,000
Speaker 1: that the Packers, look, they're schematically completely different than what

1517
01:20:24,080 --> 01:20:28,680
Speaker 1: the Patriots have ever been with Lafleur, but their receivers

1518
01:20:29,880 --> 01:20:32,639
Speaker 1: it's so similar right where you're just throwing like Alan

1519
01:20:32,720 --> 01:20:36,000
Speaker 1: Lazard is probably their best receiver right now. Christian Watson

1520
01:20:36,160 --> 01:20:38,080
Speaker 1: is kind of their version of nikkil Harry, Like he's

1521
01:20:38,120 --> 01:20:40,479
Speaker 1: the rookie that they're hoping is gonna be good but

1522
01:20:40,960 --> 01:20:43,200
Speaker 1: obviously is just playing in his first few games as

1523
01:20:43,960 --> 01:20:45,960
Speaker 1: of his career. They got good running backs with the

1524
01:20:46,000 --> 01:20:48,680
Speaker 1: Patriots had in nineteen as well, and that's really what

1525
01:20:48,800 --> 01:20:51,800
Speaker 1: they're leaning on. I mean, this Packard team is not

1526
01:20:51,920 --> 01:20:54,720
Speaker 1: a downfield passing team. He has three completions of over

1527
01:20:54,800 --> 01:20:59,360
Speaker 1: twenty yards in three games. They're a horizontal stretch bootleg

1528
01:21:00,040 --> 01:21:03,360
Speaker 1: lean on the running game, you know, rogers make quick

1529
01:21:03,400 --> 01:21:05,840
Speaker 1: decisions off our pos and like little pop passes and

1530
01:21:05,960 --> 01:21:09,200
Speaker 1: things like that, and just try to get guys loose

1531
01:21:09,320 --> 01:21:11,680
Speaker 1: like that. That's sort of what their their offense is

1532
01:21:11,800 --> 01:21:14,160
Speaker 1: right now. And I don't know if that offense is

1533
01:21:14,240 --> 01:21:16,639
Speaker 1: gonna blow the doors off the Patriots. Like I don't

1534
01:21:16,640 --> 01:21:18,600
Speaker 1: think the Patriots are gonna win this game, but I

1535
01:21:18,680 --> 01:21:22,080
Speaker 1: don't know if that offense is necessarily good enough right

1536
01:21:22,120 --> 01:21:24,120
Speaker 1: now where you're gonna sit back and say, oh, this

1537
01:21:24,280 --> 01:21:26,479
Speaker 1: is a thirty five to nothing blow out. I don't

1538
01:21:26,479 --> 01:21:28,559
Speaker 1: know if they're capable of sporting thirty five. I'm more

1539
01:21:28,600 --> 01:21:32,519
Speaker 1: worried about the Packers defense in this game. I think

1540
01:21:32,560 --> 01:21:35,000
Speaker 1: they've got a really good defense. Yeah yeah, I think

1541
01:21:35,040 --> 01:21:36,920
Speaker 1: they do too. But I'm more worried about Alon Rodgers

1542
01:21:37,160 --> 01:21:40,040
Speaker 1: because you need to like basically allow nothing to win.

1543
01:21:40,280 --> 01:21:45,880
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, Um. George and Madison, New Jersey writes in

1544
01:21:46,000 --> 01:21:48,439
Speaker 1: I emailed with a question during training camp about the

1545
01:21:48,560 --> 01:21:54,200
Speaker 1: QB two position. You guys ignored me, he says, as

1546
01:21:54,280 --> 01:21:57,000
Speaker 1: my four Twitter followers will attest to, I've been saying

1547
01:21:57,080 --> 01:21:59,120
Speaker 1: the Patriots need a QB two who can win you

1548
01:21:59,240 --> 01:22:02,200
Speaker 1: some games. In Mac goes down the jets of Flacco

1549
01:22:02,320 --> 01:22:05,080
Speaker 1: and Mike White both had one good game in them

1550
01:22:05,439 --> 01:22:08,599
Speaker 1: but have otherwise been a disaster. So now Mike White

1551
01:22:08,680 --> 01:22:13,720
Speaker 1: is a better option than Brian Hoyer. Discount over the

1552
01:22:14,040 --> 01:22:15,800
Speaker 1: aren't these guys all the same? Like? What did you

1553
01:22:15,880 --> 01:22:18,560
Speaker 1: think of Cooper Rush going into the season? Would you

1554
01:22:18,640 --> 01:22:22,280
Speaker 1: think Dallas was well situated? Hoyas a great guy, knows

1555
01:22:22,360 --> 01:22:24,479
Speaker 1: the system, but does he have the ability to win

1556
01:22:24,560 --> 01:22:27,960
Speaker 1: the many games? Do you feel or many? Did you

1557
01:22:28,040 --> 01:22:30,640
Speaker 1: say any? Any? Any? Yes? He has the ability to

1558
01:22:30,680 --> 01:22:32,840
Speaker 1: win you do you feel like Bill does? These cute

1559
01:22:32,920 --> 01:22:35,080
Speaker 1: things that they may have gotten away with during the

1560
01:22:35,200 --> 01:22:38,479
Speaker 1: dynasty but can't get away with now, such as drafting

1561
01:22:38,520 --> 01:22:43,120
Speaker 1: a guard in the fourth round, no legit quarterback first round, uh, etc.

1562
01:22:43,960 --> 01:22:47,880
Speaker 1: Quarterback too, Fred run and tell mister Prolo that mister

1563
01:22:48,000 --> 01:22:52,400
Speaker 1: Achman Hoyer is here to see him all well, see

1564
01:22:52,520 --> 01:22:55,920
Speaker 1: he's an old acquaintance Yes, that's not sexy. That's not sexy.

1565
01:22:56,040 --> 01:22:57,720
Speaker 1: It's my favorite thing to come out of this whole

1566
01:22:57,760 --> 01:23:06,000
Speaker 1: actual things that we've been able to do, sums pertaining,

1567
01:23:06,240 --> 01:23:10,480
Speaker 1: pertaining or what is it regarding? I'm an old acquaintance.

1568
01:23:12,240 --> 01:23:15,000
Speaker 1: EV has no idea reading No Beverly Hills. No, we're

1569
01:23:15,000 --> 01:23:19,400
Speaker 1: an audience of Murphy of none. Mike and I. You're

1570
01:23:19,400 --> 01:23:20,600
Speaker 1: not going to fall off at the banana and the

1571
01:23:20,680 --> 01:23:24,960
Speaker 1: tail pipe, thank you, Matt Matty to rant about Brian Hoyer, Yeah,

1572
01:23:25,080 --> 01:23:28,760
Speaker 1: I just listen. If the if the question is is

1573
01:23:28,800 --> 01:23:31,479
Speaker 1: he capable of winning many games? I would say probably

1574
01:23:31,560 --> 01:23:33,800
Speaker 1: not No, But don't tell me you can't win a game.

1575
01:23:34,120 --> 01:23:36,080
Speaker 1: If you think Mike White and Joe Flacco can win

1576
01:23:36,120 --> 01:23:38,840
Speaker 1: a game, you don't think Brian Horder can win a game. Now.

1577
01:23:38,960 --> 01:23:40,560
Speaker 1: I don't think this will be the particular game that

1578
01:23:40,640 --> 01:23:42,240
Speaker 1: he'll win in Lamb Boat. I didn't think they had

1579
01:23:42,240 --> 01:23:45,080
Speaker 1: a shot with Matt Jones, Joe Jacobe Precett did it

1580
01:23:45,160 --> 01:23:47,280
Speaker 1: without a thumb. He won a game, you know, I

1581
01:23:47,360 --> 01:23:50,800
Speaker 1: mean you can win a game a game now. This

1582
01:23:51,000 --> 01:23:54,120
Speaker 1: is gets back to the original like if is Matt

1583
01:23:54,200 --> 01:23:56,200
Speaker 1: gonna be out six day, eight weeks or is he

1584
01:23:56,240 --> 01:23:58,559
Speaker 1: going to be out a couple of games. If he's

1585
01:23:58,600 --> 01:24:01,640
Speaker 1: out six day weeks, you're in trouble. Yeah, because I

1586
01:24:02,080 --> 01:24:05,120
Speaker 1: could see Brian Horror going one on one or two

1587
01:24:05,240 --> 01:24:09,400
Speaker 1: and one. I can't see him going like five and three.

1588
01:24:09,560 --> 01:24:11,880
Speaker 1: Ye I just can't see it. I don't care who

1589
01:24:12,120 --> 01:24:14,960
Speaker 1: who the schedule is. I just sooner or later he'll

1590
01:24:15,000 --> 01:24:17,040
Speaker 1: be Brian Hoyer or and he's gonna hurt you. So

1591
01:24:17,280 --> 01:24:19,400
Speaker 1: let me ask Evan, because he wasn't here when we

1592
01:24:19,479 --> 01:24:22,400
Speaker 1: were kind of dissecting Bill's press conference today. Based on

1593
01:24:22,520 --> 01:24:25,519
Speaker 1: what Bill said today, do you have any glimmer of

1594
01:24:25,640 --> 01:24:30,320
Speaker 1: hope that Matt plays within two weeks? Yes, yes, see

1595
01:24:30,760 --> 01:24:32,559
Speaker 1: I do. That's your point, and I don't know if

1596
01:24:32,560 --> 01:24:34,800
Speaker 1: I would necessarily right. I thought you were saying that

1597
01:24:34,920 --> 01:24:37,320
Speaker 1: is a point on yourself. No, no, no, no, I agree.

1598
01:24:37,320 --> 01:24:39,080
Speaker 1: I think that's what he opened the door for it today.

1599
01:24:39,280 --> 01:24:41,320
Speaker 1: And when he doesn't play for six weeks, what are

1600
01:24:41,360 --> 01:24:46,320
Speaker 1: people are gonna do? The fans call Bill out? You

1601
01:24:46,439 --> 01:24:48,040
Speaker 1: think they're gonna call Bill out for you? Don't think

1602
01:24:48,040 --> 01:24:50,760
Speaker 1: they're gonna call the quarterback out for it. I look,

1603
01:24:50,800 --> 01:24:54,599
Speaker 1: I think I think the quarterback is gonna come under fire,

1604
01:24:55,000 --> 01:24:57,320
Speaker 1: not playing. I think it was on his radio hit.

1605
01:24:57,360 --> 01:25:00,960
Speaker 1: It wasn't with the media on his normal press conference,

1606
01:25:01,000 --> 01:25:04,639
Speaker 1: where he said that he's never been hurt, not high school,

1607
01:25:04,800 --> 01:25:07,400
Speaker 1: not college, He's never missed a game due to injury.

1608
01:25:08,040 --> 01:25:12,880
Speaker 1: And I think that there's going to be for him personally.

1609
01:25:13,680 --> 01:25:17,160
Speaker 1: I think he does look at certain things about the

1610
01:25:17,240 --> 01:25:21,200
Speaker 1: Brady era that he says, oh, it's the only year

1611
01:25:21,240 --> 01:25:24,640
Speaker 1: that they didn't have Brady. Right, Durability was at the

1612
01:25:24,720 --> 01:25:27,800
Speaker 1: top of the list of things that made Brady consistent here.

1613
01:25:28,240 --> 01:25:31,040
Speaker 1: And if I can't play, if I get hurt and

1614
01:25:31,120 --> 01:25:34,559
Speaker 1: I can't play, then that right there has already put

1615
01:25:34,680 --> 01:25:36,679
Speaker 1: me behind the eight ball. And I think that he's

1616
01:25:36,720 --> 01:25:39,639
Speaker 1: going to do everything that he can, including not getting surgery,

1617
01:25:39,680 --> 01:25:42,720
Speaker 1: because surgery, even though he might be better off for

1618
01:25:42,840 --> 01:25:46,439
Speaker 1: it in the long run or have a shorter less

1619
01:25:46,520 --> 01:25:51,400
Speaker 1: pain in a shorter period of time, he's automatically out

1620
01:25:51,479 --> 01:25:54,040
Speaker 1: for a period of time. Right, There's no way that

1621
01:25:54,160 --> 01:25:55,960
Speaker 1: he's going to have You have to let the surgery

1622
01:25:56,200 --> 01:25:58,920
Speaker 1: take Yeah, and that's it. We could have this, we

1623
01:25:59,280 --> 01:26:02,200
Speaker 1: we could have this completely flipped. This could be the

1624
01:26:02,320 --> 01:26:04,360
Speaker 1: team is saying you're gonna have to miss some games,

1625
01:26:04,400 --> 01:26:06,840
Speaker 1: and Max I don't want to miss games. I'm getting

1626
01:26:06,880 --> 01:26:09,560
Speaker 1: a second opinion. Maybe I don't have to. Maybe we

1627
01:26:09,680 --> 01:26:14,920
Speaker 1: have a completely flipped and it's Mac saying I want possibility,

1628
01:26:15,000 --> 01:26:18,160
Speaker 1: and I just don't think that's what the team wants

1629
01:26:18,240 --> 01:26:19,920
Speaker 1: him to have surgery because that's what we'll get him

1630
01:26:19,960 --> 01:26:23,160
Speaker 1: back faster. That's my opinion, just my opinion, right, But

1631
01:26:23,360 --> 01:26:27,000
Speaker 1: maybe it is. Maybe it's Max saying, let's not rule

1632
01:26:27,120 --> 01:26:31,040
Speaker 1: me out until I get the second opinion. Pelisero reported

1633
01:26:31,080 --> 01:26:33,720
Speaker 1: yesterday a NFL network that Mac is the one that

1634
01:26:33,760 --> 01:26:36,400
Speaker 1: doesn't want the surgery, correct, at least that he said that.

1635
01:26:36,479 --> 01:26:40,080
Speaker 1: It's my understand why that's the thing. Why does he

1636
01:26:40,200 --> 01:26:42,120
Speaker 1: want it because he wants to get he thinks he

1637
01:26:42,200 --> 01:26:45,360
Speaker 1: can play faster. Or does he want it because he,

1638
01:26:45,600 --> 01:26:48,320
Speaker 1: you know, wants to heal? Right? You know, so like

1639
01:26:48,760 --> 01:26:50,760
Speaker 1: what's the motive that they want to go under the knife? Right?

1640
01:26:50,960 --> 01:26:52,960
Speaker 1: What's the motive that he's a tougher guy? And I

1641
01:26:53,080 --> 01:26:56,160
Speaker 1: think that he does have a pretty high pain tolerance,

1642
01:26:56,200 --> 01:26:58,240
Speaker 1: which I think at times last year even we saw

1643
01:26:58,280 --> 01:27:00,240
Speaker 1: it because he took a beating early on in that

1644
01:27:00,360 --> 01:27:02,920
Speaker 1: season last year as a rookie, and he bounced back

1645
01:27:03,000 --> 01:27:05,479
Speaker 1: up every single time every game is his, he'd be

1646
01:27:05,520 --> 01:27:08,519
Speaker 1: bleeding from the chin. Yeah, I'm serious. He got smoked

1647
01:27:08,520 --> 01:27:10,599
Speaker 1: a lot, like yeah, and I think that he feels

1648
01:27:10,720 --> 01:27:14,880
Speaker 1: like he's a quick healer and they'll they'll give him rehab,

1649
01:27:14,920 --> 01:27:18,639
Speaker 1: they'll give him treatment, shoot it up and let's play.

1650
01:27:18,840 --> 01:27:21,040
Speaker 1: Like I really think that's how he thinks. It's a

1651
01:27:21,080 --> 01:27:24,599
Speaker 1: totally different dynamic with like a team doctor and team trainers.

1652
01:27:24,640 --> 01:27:27,280
Speaker 1: Obviously it's all in house, but surgeons tend to like

1653
01:27:27,439 --> 01:27:29,479
Speaker 1: that's what they do. They tend to say like, yes,

1654
01:27:29,600 --> 01:27:32,479
Speaker 1: you need surgery. They didn't do that right, you know

1655
01:27:32,560 --> 01:27:35,120
Speaker 1: what I mean. And like one of my best friends

1656
01:27:35,479 --> 01:27:37,920
Speaker 1: went to her when to her doctor. She works in

1657
01:27:38,000 --> 01:27:39,679
Speaker 1: a doctor's office, and was like, I don't know what's

1658
01:27:39,680 --> 01:27:41,639
Speaker 1: going on with my foot whatever. He was like, yeah,

1659
01:27:41,640 --> 01:27:43,559
Speaker 1: it looks like we'll do We'll do bunion surgery, will

1660
01:27:43,600 --> 01:27:45,800
Speaker 1: operate like with a snap of a finger. She got

1661
01:27:45,840 --> 01:27:48,360
Speaker 1: a second opinion she had a fractured bone in her foot.

1662
01:27:48,439 --> 01:27:51,439
Speaker 1: Like it's like, I don't know, I would be getting

1663
01:27:51,439 --> 01:27:54,120
Speaker 1: like four opinions if it's me. I have no problem

1664
01:27:54,160 --> 01:28:00,280
Speaker 1: with the opinions. I just again, my feeling is based

1665
01:28:00,320 --> 01:28:02,759
Speaker 1: on what I've read about the history of this surgery

1666
01:28:03,280 --> 01:28:06,000
Speaker 1: is that's what gets you back on the field faster. Right,

1667
01:28:06,240 --> 01:28:08,720
Speaker 1: what's bizarre. And I think that he doesn't want the

1668
01:28:08,800 --> 01:28:12,519
Speaker 1: surgery because and this is why I don't blame him,

1669
01:28:12,880 --> 01:28:14,400
Speaker 1: like I don't think this is a shot at his

1670
01:28:14,479 --> 01:28:16,360
Speaker 1: toughness in the least. Well, what if he thinks he

1671
01:28:16,439 --> 01:28:18,400
Speaker 1: doesn't want the surgery because he doesn't think he needs

1672
01:28:18,600 --> 01:28:22,200
Speaker 1: the surgery? Correct, because it will heal. It might take longer,

1673
01:28:22,760 --> 01:28:25,680
Speaker 1: but it will heal. And I don't need surgery. And

1674
01:28:25,960 --> 01:28:29,360
Speaker 1: I can totally understand an athlete, especially who makes his

1675
01:28:29,520 --> 01:28:33,120
Speaker 1: living with his body, not wanting an unnecessary surgery. No,

1676
01:28:33,200 --> 01:28:34,720
Speaker 1: I understand even if it means I'm going to be

1677
01:28:34,760 --> 01:28:36,640
Speaker 1: out six games instead of four. The only thing I

1678
01:28:36,680 --> 01:28:39,240
Speaker 1: can understand that from an athlete's perspective. You could be right,

1679
01:28:39,400 --> 01:28:42,000
Speaker 1: but it could be Also, I don't want the surgery

1680
01:28:42,040 --> 01:28:44,680
Speaker 1: because I think I can get on the field faster. No,

1681
01:28:44,880 --> 01:28:47,240
Speaker 1: but I'm taking that part out of it, Like, who

1682
01:28:47,320 --> 01:28:50,200
Speaker 1: knows what's going to By all accounts, it's faster with surgery.

1683
01:28:50,240 --> 01:28:53,080
Speaker 1: I'm just going by the medical opinions. By all accounts,

1684
01:28:53,120 --> 01:28:55,479
Speaker 1: it's faster with surgery. Yeah. I think what's interesting too,

1685
01:28:55,600 --> 01:28:58,320
Speaker 1: and I was reading some things from medical experts and

1686
01:28:58,360 --> 01:29:01,000
Speaker 1: they said, look, not every high ankle sprains the same.

1687
01:29:01,120 --> 01:29:02,920
Speaker 1: So you can't just say the tight rope surgery is

1688
01:29:02,920 --> 01:29:05,080
Speaker 1: going to work for every procause that's not necessarily Probably

1689
01:29:05,120 --> 01:29:07,000
Speaker 1: why he wants a second opinion, right, But I think

1690
01:29:07,040 --> 01:29:12,000
Speaker 1: it's interesting that the tight rope surgery was discovered by

1691
01:29:12,080 --> 01:29:15,679
Speaker 1: the Alabama team physician, and to U and Jalen Hurds

1692
01:29:15,800 --> 01:29:19,600
Speaker 1: both had the tight rope surgery while Mac was at Alabama.

1693
01:29:20,160 --> 01:29:22,800
Speaker 1: He raved him out on the record talking about how

1694
01:29:22,880 --> 01:29:25,880
Speaker 1: quickly right back to be excited you have the tight rope.

1695
01:29:26,320 --> 01:29:29,920
Speaker 1: Probably Hates got back so fast and he couldn't play.

1696
01:29:30,800 --> 01:29:33,360
Speaker 1: You have the tight rope surgery into the wide zone.

1697
01:29:34,800 --> 01:29:43,559
Speaker 1: And because you know Fred playing the role of Paul Wow,

1698
01:29:44,080 --> 01:29:47,720
Speaker 1: I wasn't expecting that. I wasn't, but you know that

1699
01:29:49,960 --> 01:29:52,120
Speaker 1: it seems like we're learning new terms all the time.

1700
01:29:52,240 --> 01:29:54,080
Speaker 1: Now it's the tight rope that's going to be the

1701
01:29:54,160 --> 01:29:58,040
Speaker 1: new hot phrase. Like anytime someone gets a high ankle phrase,

1702
01:29:58,200 --> 01:30:00,680
Speaker 1: everyone's going to just talk. So I think two, I

1703
01:30:00,800 --> 01:30:03,200
Speaker 1: might have this backwards one of the tour or Jalen

1704
01:30:03,280 --> 01:30:06,160
Speaker 1: Hurts one of them came back in fourteen days after

1705
01:30:06,280 --> 01:30:08,160
Speaker 1: the tight rope surgery and the other one came back

1706
01:30:08,200 --> 01:30:11,040
Speaker 1: in twenty one days. Yeah, nineteen was a day that

1707
01:30:11,400 --> 01:30:13,439
Speaker 1: But yeah, well we're all in the same kind of

1708
01:30:13,479 --> 01:30:17,439
Speaker 1: a time frame. YEA. Now if you're stepping away from it,

1709
01:30:17,760 --> 01:30:20,439
Speaker 1: like what had it happened three years ago, four years ago?

1710
01:30:20,800 --> 01:30:23,600
Speaker 1: Who knows? Like what's going to be the result? Like

1711
01:30:23,800 --> 01:30:26,040
Speaker 1: is Jalen Hurt's going to be able to play in

1712
01:30:26,520 --> 01:30:29,200
Speaker 1: ten years? Maybe that took three years off his career.

1713
01:30:29,640 --> 01:30:31,559
Speaker 1: Like I'm not saying that's going to happen. I'm saying,

1714
01:30:31,760 --> 01:30:35,000
Speaker 1: if you're Mac Jones, I want as much information on

1715
01:30:35,120 --> 01:30:37,040
Speaker 1: this as I can guess before I go under the

1716
01:30:37,080 --> 01:30:39,000
Speaker 1: knife for something that I don't necessarily have to go

1717
01:30:39,040 --> 01:30:41,479
Speaker 1: into the knife for. Again, I didn't hear my ACL.

1718
01:30:42,600 --> 01:30:44,160
Speaker 1: I have a high ankle sprain that if I don't

1719
01:30:44,160 --> 01:30:49,040
Speaker 1: do anything, eventually we'll we'll heal. Yeah, but is it

1720
01:30:49,200 --> 01:30:53,600
Speaker 1: okay long term either way surgery, non surgery. Is it

1721
01:30:53,640 --> 01:30:55,320
Speaker 1: gonna be okay? Is it gonna be the same, Okay,

1722
01:30:55,400 --> 01:30:57,120
Speaker 1: that will do whatever's fast. Is this going to be

1723
01:30:57,200 --> 01:30:59,720
Speaker 1: something I have to deal with? And again I don't.

1724
01:31:00,040 --> 01:31:03,719
Speaker 1: I never would. I would never kill a player for saying,

1725
01:31:04,560 --> 01:31:07,600
Speaker 1: especially a guy in his second year, I don't know

1726
01:31:07,680 --> 01:31:09,200
Speaker 1: how this is going to affect me down the road.

1727
01:31:09,400 --> 01:31:12,360
Speaker 1: I think I'm just gonna play it safe. I wouldn't

1728
01:31:12,439 --> 01:31:14,280
Speaker 1: kill him for that working okay for a chill and

1729
01:31:14,360 --> 01:31:16,280
Speaker 1: hurts and tour right now? Well, you know, but like

1730
01:31:16,560 --> 01:31:22,920
Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppolo, Jimmy Garoppolo was butchered here Mike when he

1731
01:31:23,240 --> 01:31:25,320
Speaker 1: separated his shoulder and didn't come back and play the

1732
01:31:25,400 --> 01:31:29,920
Speaker 1: next game. They killed him. They're still in the locker room. Yeah,

1733
01:31:30,040 --> 01:31:34,000
Speaker 1: they were unhappy about it. So I would say ripped

1734
01:31:34,000 --> 01:31:36,760
Speaker 1: out pretty good for Jimmy got the highest paid free

1735
01:31:36,800 --> 01:31:41,320
Speaker 1: agent contract, the highest quarterback when he signed it, and

1736
01:31:41,760 --> 01:31:43,439
Speaker 1: I think it worked out all right for him doing

1737
01:31:43,439 --> 01:31:45,320
Speaker 1: it the way he did. Do you guys, I'll see

1738
01:31:45,320 --> 01:31:46,519
Speaker 1: you know. Maybe I don't know why I think you

1739
01:31:46,520 --> 01:31:50,000
Speaker 1: would know this, but a high ankle sprain ligaments between

1740
01:31:50,360 --> 01:31:54,360
Speaker 1: the tibia and fibia tearing is correct, and any sprain

1741
01:31:54,520 --> 01:31:58,240
Speaker 1: is a tearing of ligaments, and but it depends there

1742
01:31:58,240 --> 01:32:04,519
Speaker 1: would be grades. Yeah, yeah, that's all I mean. Wonderful back.

1743
01:32:04,600 --> 01:32:07,880
Speaker 1: You know, I think it's a little different. Is it

1744
01:32:08,040 --> 01:32:11,680
Speaker 1: high because it's above the ankle bone, or is that

1745
01:32:11,840 --> 01:32:14,760
Speaker 1: why is it high as opposed to like exactly what

1746
01:32:14,880 --> 01:32:17,360
Speaker 1: it is though, did you do some well? I think

1747
01:32:17,400 --> 01:32:19,840
Speaker 1: what's interesting about it is on top of the fact

1748
01:32:19,880 --> 01:32:22,960
Speaker 1: that nobody has actually said that Mac is going to

1749
01:32:23,080 --> 01:32:25,560
Speaker 1: mix miss x amount of time, right, it's all he

1750
01:32:25,680 --> 01:32:29,040
Speaker 1: could miss multiple weeks or people usually miss multiple weeks.

1751
01:32:29,240 --> 01:32:31,080
Speaker 1: On top of that, we don't have a grade. Yeah,

1752
01:32:31,200 --> 01:32:34,519
Speaker 1: that's my whole point. There's a lot of people that

1753
01:32:34,600 --> 01:32:39,160
Speaker 1: have called it extremely severe, pretty pretty but in medical terms,

1754
01:32:39,280 --> 01:32:42,040
Speaker 1: and I'm not a doctor, but in medical terms like

1755
01:32:42,400 --> 01:32:45,479
Speaker 1: pretty severe, what is that? That doesn't mean anything, right,

1756
01:32:45,600 --> 01:32:48,439
Speaker 1: that's just that's just mumbo jumbo. Like if he has

1757
01:32:48,479 --> 01:32:51,040
Speaker 1: a grade three high ankle sprain and that's very bad,

1758
01:32:51,200 --> 01:32:54,320
Speaker 1: that's eight to ten week in day, like, that's I am.

1759
01:32:55,479 --> 01:32:58,320
Speaker 1: If it's grade one or grade two, that's different. And

1760
01:32:58,600 --> 01:33:01,599
Speaker 1: I think it's just really interesting the reporting, the wording

1761
01:33:01,640 --> 01:33:05,599
Speaker 1: of the reports that are out there are so carefully worded.

1762
01:33:05,760 --> 01:33:09,679
Speaker 1: Right for no one's coming out and saying Max's gonna

1763
01:33:09,680 --> 01:33:12,040
Speaker 1: miss three to four games. Nobody's coming out and saying

1764
01:33:12,320 --> 01:33:14,800
Speaker 1: that Mac has a Grade three high. My opinion on

1765
01:33:14,960 --> 01:33:18,720
Speaker 1: that is because there is a conflict as to what

1766
01:33:18,920 --> 01:33:21,960
Speaker 1: the course should be between the team and the player.

1767
01:33:22,080 --> 01:33:25,519
Speaker 1: I don't know which side both are on. Maybe you're right,

1768
01:33:25,600 --> 01:33:28,040
Speaker 1: maybe Mac wants to get back faster and the team

1769
01:33:28,160 --> 01:33:30,679
Speaker 1: is trying to slow him down. I don't think that's accurate,

1770
01:33:30,720 --> 01:33:32,560
Speaker 1: but it could be. And I think that's why no

1771
01:33:32,640 --> 01:33:35,000
Speaker 1: one wants to attach it a timeline, because they don't

1772
01:33:35,000 --> 01:33:38,559
Speaker 1: know who's gonna win. Someone's gonna end up winning. It's

1773
01:33:38,600 --> 01:33:41,720
Speaker 1: either gonna be Mac or the team. And maybe he's

1774
01:33:41,760 --> 01:33:44,160
Speaker 1: back in three games, maybe he's back in eight games,

1775
01:33:44,600 --> 01:33:46,960
Speaker 1: depending on who wins. I like to put that point

1776
01:33:46,960 --> 01:33:49,960
Speaker 1: of that out though, because the phrase, what was it

1777
01:33:50,240 --> 01:33:57,360
Speaker 1: like severe pretty severe? Like that because he has he has,

1778
01:33:58,800 --> 01:34:01,920
Speaker 1: here's severe or it's not. I don't think there's pretty.

1779
01:34:02,240 --> 01:34:04,960
Speaker 1: I just remember severe. Someone wrote severe that to me,

1780
01:34:06,080 --> 01:34:07,320
Speaker 1: you know, like that's what it sounds like to me.

1781
01:34:07,840 --> 01:34:10,000
Speaker 1: He didn't roll, he didn't roll his ankle. Yeah, I mean,

1782
01:34:10,040 --> 01:34:12,760
Speaker 1: it's just I agree with the weird wording of all this,

1783
01:34:12,960 --> 01:34:15,760
Speaker 1: and they're just da Nobody says he pretty broke his leg,

1784
01:34:16,120 --> 01:34:19,479
Speaker 1: like it's pretty broken, Like it's either broken or it's not,

1785
01:34:19,680 --> 01:34:22,400
Speaker 1: Like isn't it? Is it severe? That's the only thing

1786
01:34:22,439 --> 01:34:24,719
Speaker 1: everybody can agree on, is that they dodged a bullet

1787
01:34:24,760 --> 01:34:28,439
Speaker 1: and he didn't break his ankle right, which some people

1788
01:34:28,439 --> 01:34:31,400
Speaker 1: say bone breaks are better, but I don't know what

1789
01:34:31,520 --> 01:34:35,920
Speaker 1: depends if there Yeah, it might have been less painful.

1790
01:34:35,960 --> 01:34:40,360
Speaker 1: Maybe you wouldn't have quite Now, never mind, let's let's

1791
01:34:40,400 --> 01:34:42,280
Speaker 1: take a break from the mac talk and do a

1792
01:34:42,320 --> 01:34:45,439
Speaker 1: little quick game. This is a game Who am I? Um?

1793
01:34:45,520 --> 01:34:48,280
Speaker 1: The way it works is everyone gets You can blurt

1794
01:34:48,360 --> 01:34:50,320
Speaker 1: out one guess at any time, but if you're wrong,

1795
01:34:50,439 --> 01:34:54,040
Speaker 1: you're out. Uh. There's different clues, and so as I

1796
01:34:54,120 --> 01:34:58,200
Speaker 1: get closer, it becomes more apparent who the player is. Um.

1797
01:34:59,200 --> 01:35:02,919
Speaker 1: The first one is I'm assuming these are all Patriots,

1798
01:35:02,920 --> 01:35:05,679
Speaker 1: but I don't know. Um. First, I was a special

1799
01:35:05,760 --> 01:35:08,360
Speaker 1: teamer who went to the same school as a former

1800
01:35:08,479 --> 01:35:15,400
Speaker 1: quarterback for the Patriots. That's pretty vague. Um, I played

1801
01:35:15,479 --> 01:35:21,639
Speaker 1: one game in a crucial cold clincher. Geez, crucial cold.

1802
01:35:22,560 --> 01:35:25,200
Speaker 1: I don't know. And I wore the same number as

1803
01:35:25,280 --> 01:35:28,280
Speaker 1: Hoyer in his first time with the Patriots. This is impossible,

1804
01:35:28,439 --> 01:35:32,679
Speaker 1: Brooks Bernard. It's a puncher versus Dolphins in three. I mean, really,

1805
01:35:34,040 --> 01:35:38,200
Speaker 1: he literally played in one game. Yeah, Oh, I wasn't thinking.

1806
01:35:38,200 --> 01:35:40,479
Speaker 1: I was thinking he played once in a really cold

1807
01:35:40,560 --> 01:35:45,519
Speaker 1: clincher once. Uh, okay, so he played this one, maybe

1808
01:35:45,680 --> 01:35:49,640
Speaker 1: check the answer before he played? Did he play in

1809
01:35:49,680 --> 01:35:52,439
Speaker 1: the snow? The snow like the snow Fireworks game? He

1810
01:35:52,479 --> 01:35:54,360
Speaker 1: punted in that game? I think was that a clinching

1811
01:35:54,439 --> 01:35:56,360
Speaker 1: game or something? I don't know. Yeah, all right, at

1812
01:35:56,439 --> 01:35:58,680
Speaker 1: least I know who the person is in this next one.

1813
01:35:58,760 --> 01:36:01,920
Speaker 1: But I went to school, well five, I went to

1814
01:36:02,000 --> 01:36:05,160
Speaker 1: a school five hour time difference. Okay, so he went

1815
01:36:05,920 --> 01:36:10,320
Speaker 1: Adrian Clem Yes, Hawaii? Why, I mean right, he had

1816
01:36:10,360 --> 01:36:13,719
Speaker 1: to go to Hawaii? Right? Right? Did he go to Germany?

1817
01:36:13,760 --> 01:36:16,880
Speaker 1: He's the only one, last one. I used to play

1818
01:36:16,920 --> 01:36:21,760
Speaker 1: with the Lions. It's this is a Patriot. I had

1819
01:36:21,840 --> 01:36:28,360
Speaker 1: a dark visor like Lt. Mike Compton LD because it's

1820
01:36:29,240 --> 01:36:31,880
Speaker 1: a d l oh Lawrence Taylor is he talking about

1821
01:36:31,920 --> 01:36:34,200
Speaker 1: they're talking about with Dandy and Tom Winson? Yeah? Yeah,

1822
01:36:34,680 --> 01:36:39,320
Speaker 1: tell um. And I'm a two time champion, I said

1823
01:36:39,360 --> 01:36:42,320
Speaker 1: Mike Compton. Mike Compton. Oh I didn't hear you straight out?

1824
01:36:42,320 --> 01:36:45,080
Speaker 1: I said Mike Compton straight out of Compton. Okays, the

1825
01:36:45,160 --> 01:36:47,519
Speaker 1: only one I remember. Yeah, Neil, I give you a

1826
01:36:47,680 --> 01:36:51,760
Speaker 1: C on that game. Deep dis Wow, that's a little hard. Yeah.

1827
01:36:51,800 --> 01:36:54,840
Speaker 1: See I give him. I don't we don't want we

1828
01:36:54,920 --> 01:36:57,880
Speaker 1: don't want softballs here, No, we want better games made

1829
01:36:57,880 --> 01:37:00,840
Speaker 1: the effort. I thought that was good. The Lt. Thing

1830
01:37:00,920 --> 01:37:03,840
Speaker 1: Brooks Bernard that was that was a tough one. Yeah,

1831
01:37:03,840 --> 01:37:07,559
Speaker 1: I feel like my generation here, Lt. Ladanian Tomlinson right

1832
01:37:07,600 --> 01:37:10,120
Speaker 1: in the head. I was thinking Ladanian Tomlinson. I absolutely

1833
01:37:10,240 --> 01:37:13,720
Speaker 1: was one of the kids. There you go, it's like

1834
01:37:13,800 --> 01:37:16,280
Speaker 1: one of my generations. I don't like how you sass

1835
01:37:16,479 --> 01:37:18,360
Speaker 1: me all the time. I'm a little tired of it.

1836
01:37:18,520 --> 01:37:20,479
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie. I'm sorry. Why don't you when

1837
01:37:20,479 --> 01:37:22,400
Speaker 1: your boys up in your little bullpen over there all

1838
01:37:22,400 --> 01:37:24,880
Speaker 1: by yourselves? Now, oh, the old man's downstairs. We don't

1839
01:37:24,920 --> 01:37:27,960
Speaker 1: got worried about him. No more machines working again though?

1840
01:37:28,040 --> 01:37:31,640
Speaker 1: Oh is it fixed it this morning? Why does it

1841
01:37:31,720 --> 01:37:34,800
Speaker 1: always break? And you can't blame me anymore? I haven't

1842
01:37:34,800 --> 01:37:36,839
Speaker 1: even used it. Well, I thought it was in depression

1843
01:37:36,840 --> 01:37:39,280
Speaker 1: because Paul laughed. It was like no one comes every morning.

1844
01:37:39,280 --> 01:37:42,439
Speaker 1: I had supposed to be used constantly. Yeah, I don't

1845
01:37:42,439 --> 01:37:44,160
Speaker 1: think they're supposed to be used the way that they're

1846
01:37:44,280 --> 01:37:46,400
Speaker 1: used here. What do you mean I saw somebody? What

1847
01:37:46,479 --> 01:37:48,120
Speaker 1: are we doing it? Yeah? But aren't you supposed to

1848
01:37:48,160 --> 01:37:50,760
Speaker 1: put them in like commerce, they're in commercial Russon people.

1849
01:37:51,000 --> 01:37:52,840
Speaker 1: I don't think a commercial restaurant would get the amount

1850
01:37:52,840 --> 01:37:58,840
Speaker 1: of used to kids here. Really, yeah, I'm down to

1851
01:37:58,960 --> 01:38:03,400
Speaker 1: one diet pepsi day. Good for you. It's projecting because

1852
01:38:03,560 --> 01:38:06,439
Speaker 1: like he has a chair and about Starbucks one a

1853
01:38:06,520 --> 01:38:10,400
Speaker 1: day a restaurant A how many people go in a

1854
01:38:10,439 --> 01:38:12,639
Speaker 1: restaurant and on a day? Please be kind? I don't

1855
01:38:12,640 --> 01:38:15,840
Speaker 1: know the two hundred on the kind of restaurant that

1856
01:38:15,960 --> 01:38:22,040
Speaker 1: has like a five guys five l or something. Yeah,

1857
01:38:22,479 --> 01:38:26,120
Speaker 1: nobody goes to frend Wreckers five guys fund wreckers. I

1858
01:38:26,160 --> 01:38:27,760
Speaker 1: would go to fund Wreckers every day if it was

1859
01:38:27,840 --> 01:38:33,840
Speaker 1: one closer. And I love eating out. You have a

1860
01:38:33,960 --> 01:38:36,599
Speaker 1: drop for me for all occasions. I say a lot

1861
01:38:36,640 --> 01:38:38,439
Speaker 1: of stupid stuff. I just might think, is why do

1862
01:38:38,520 --> 01:38:40,479
Speaker 1: we have to have a five hundred soda option? Like

1863
01:38:40,520 --> 01:38:43,280
Speaker 1: could we just get a basic seven or six? You know,

1864
01:38:43,400 --> 01:38:46,800
Speaker 1: the standard, you know, put it up instead of the

1865
01:38:46,880 --> 01:38:49,160
Speaker 1: computer one is better flavors? Why? I just tell you

1866
01:38:49,280 --> 01:38:51,800
Speaker 1: like the ones that you quality of the pepsi, well,

1867
01:38:51,920 --> 01:38:54,439
Speaker 1: not just the quality of the pepsi, but the fruit flies.

1868
01:38:54,800 --> 01:38:57,200
Speaker 1: Oh there are problems. I just don't want to say

1869
01:38:57,240 --> 01:39:00,040
Speaker 1: why it breaks so much. They're supposed to industrials. It

1870
01:39:00,080 --> 01:39:03,240
Speaker 1: shouldn't break every week every week. And you can't blame

1871
01:39:03,280 --> 01:39:07,120
Speaker 1: me because I haven't used it in weeks. Okay, just one.

1872
01:39:07,720 --> 01:39:09,519
Speaker 1: Do you think at this point they would have replaced them? Yeah,

1873
01:39:09,560 --> 01:39:11,320
Speaker 1: I think they bring it in. I think the guys

1874
01:39:11,400 --> 01:39:14,360
Speaker 1: just like to come into the Gillette Stadium. Oh they might,

1875
01:39:14,520 --> 01:39:16,639
Speaker 1: they might meet a player. I will really say too, though,

1876
01:39:16,640 --> 01:39:19,320
Speaker 1: Fred the vending machine up there with the food that

1877
01:39:19,400 --> 01:39:24,040
Speaker 1: think gets cleaned out. It does like people are hungry. Yeah,

1878
01:39:24,160 --> 01:39:25,960
Speaker 1: up of noodles is my point. I think that stuff

1879
01:39:26,000 --> 01:39:28,960
Speaker 1: gets a lot of use. Yeah. I don't think the

1880
01:39:29,080 --> 01:39:32,360
Speaker 1: machine at five guys gets that amount of use for me.

1881
01:39:33,680 --> 01:39:36,720
Speaker 1: Rog and Saint Louis first thing, penalties, turnovers and these

1882
01:39:36,800 --> 01:39:39,479
Speaker 1: mistakes that have played us for the first three games

1883
01:39:39,560 --> 01:39:43,080
Speaker 1: often stem from poor coaching. If this year continues on

1884
01:39:43,160 --> 01:39:46,679
Speaker 1: the current trajectory, I will be expecting a mutual parting

1885
01:39:46,720 --> 01:39:49,800
Speaker 1: of ways between the coach and owner in February. Be

1886
01:39:50,000 --> 01:39:52,160
Speaker 1: like the Bears or Vikings in cleanhouse and make the

1887
01:39:52,200 --> 01:39:55,360
Speaker 1: front office and heads of the team younger and more innovative.

1888
01:39:55,600 --> 01:39:57,920
Speaker 1: The league has passed his coach by and the longer

1889
01:39:57,960 --> 01:40:00,360
Speaker 1: he stays on, the further behind the team will be

1890
01:40:00,400 --> 01:40:04,120
Speaker 1: when he retires. There's no point in sentimentality with these decisions.

1891
01:40:04,439 --> 01:40:09,400
Speaker 1: Paul anyway thinks he sucks without Brady. I would say

1892
01:40:09,400 --> 01:40:11,200
Speaker 1: I would save that email for when he rips off

1893
01:40:11,240 --> 01:40:13,120
Speaker 1: fifteen in a row, when you know, we see how

1894
01:40:13,160 --> 01:40:15,360
Speaker 1: he feeled about that. Yeah, I hope are you gonna

1895
01:40:15,400 --> 01:40:19,080
Speaker 1: get you see? But that's not my that's not my

1896
01:40:19,280 --> 01:40:22,720
Speaker 1: answer if I think that, if I thought anything in

1897
01:40:22,800 --> 01:40:25,080
Speaker 1: that email was true, I would be making a move. Yeah,

1898
01:40:25,479 --> 01:40:28,400
Speaker 1: and I look for someone else. But I am a

1899
01:40:28,479 --> 01:40:33,880
Speaker 1: big Uh, I'm a big believer in the whole. Like

1900
01:40:34,360 --> 01:40:38,160
Speaker 1: if you don't get penalties, you're a good coach. Like

1901
01:40:38,560 --> 01:40:40,400
Speaker 1: I think Bill's a great coach because he has an

1902
01:40:40,439 --> 01:40:42,639
Speaker 1: ability to put together a game plan and do x's

1903
01:40:42,640 --> 01:40:44,800
Speaker 1: and knows better than anybody else. That's why I think

1904
01:40:44,840 --> 01:40:48,679
Speaker 1: he's great. I think all coaches preach to their players

1905
01:40:48,720 --> 01:40:53,679
Speaker 1: about discipline, ball security, Uh, you know, not not committing

1906
01:40:53,720 --> 01:40:57,040
Speaker 1: penalties when you commit penalties, Like do you? I mean,

1907
01:40:57,120 --> 01:40:59,479
Speaker 1: does anybody think that Bill's not going over that stuff anymore?

1908
01:40:59,520 --> 01:41:03,080
Speaker 1: Because they're they're making mistakes. I pulled this up because

1909
01:41:03,240 --> 01:41:05,920
Speaker 1: this this bothers me, the penalties thing. It bugs me

1910
01:41:06,280 --> 01:41:08,280
Speaker 1: because it's coming around my side, because this is one

1911
01:41:08,280 --> 01:41:11,800
Speaker 1: of them that I actually believe this one. Are one

1912
01:41:11,800 --> 01:41:14,280
Speaker 1: of the least penalized teams in the league, one of

1913
01:41:14,360 --> 01:41:17,439
Speaker 1: the least penalized teams in the league. And all the

1914
01:41:17,560 --> 01:41:21,000
Speaker 1: time we hear from fans, from callers, from other people

1915
01:41:21,040 --> 01:41:25,000
Speaker 1: in our world, too many penalties, too many penalties, too

1916
01:41:25,040 --> 01:41:30,479
Speaker 1: many penalties. Routinely one of the least penalized teams. And

1917
01:41:30,560 --> 01:41:34,280
Speaker 1: I would say that the discipline with penalties, it's not

1918
01:41:34,360 --> 01:41:37,200
Speaker 1: even that, it's not even the timing. All teams get penalties.

1919
01:41:37,400 --> 01:41:40,280
Speaker 1: The Patriots aren't good enough to overcome. It's not it's

1920
01:41:40,360 --> 01:41:43,920
Speaker 1: that's simple. But it's not just that. All teams get penalties,

1921
01:41:44,200 --> 01:41:47,760
Speaker 1: pass interference, holding, they get pre snap penalty, after pre

1922
01:41:47,840 --> 01:41:50,479
Speaker 1: snap penalty, after pre snap penalty. Not a lot of them.

1923
01:41:50,880 --> 01:41:52,160
Speaker 1: They don't get a lot of them. I think they

1924
01:41:52,240 --> 01:41:54,320
Speaker 1: had I think they had like two. I think they

1925
01:41:54,360 --> 01:41:56,839
Speaker 1: had two penalties the other day, right, they were both pressures.

1926
01:41:57,040 --> 01:41:59,719
Speaker 1: They have six because they're not good enough to overcome

1927
01:41:59,800 --> 01:42:02,120
Speaker 1: the six pre snap penalties in three games. Okay, I

1928
01:42:02,240 --> 01:42:04,519
Speaker 1: also count delay a game as a pre snap penalty

1929
01:42:04,600 --> 01:42:06,200
Speaker 1: in too many men on the field as a pre snap.

1930
01:42:06,720 --> 01:42:08,400
Speaker 1: They have more than six of those. I'm just telling

1931
01:42:08,439 --> 01:42:11,200
Speaker 1: you because I keep tracking them every week, so I think.

1932
01:42:11,240 --> 01:42:13,760
Speaker 1: And we've also used four timeouts to avoid delay a

1933
01:42:13,840 --> 01:42:15,880
Speaker 1: game already in three games. That's fair. I think that's

1934
01:42:15,920 --> 01:42:18,320
Speaker 1: also a pre snap penalty. Is exactly it though. It's

1935
01:42:18,400 --> 01:42:21,639
Speaker 1: that once they get behind the sticks on offense, once

1936
01:42:21,720 --> 01:42:25,120
Speaker 1: they're in first and twenty, the drive is over. But

1937
01:42:25,439 --> 01:42:27,800
Speaker 1: not for all teams. I say, a win for us,

1938
01:42:27,880 --> 01:42:30,479
Speaker 1: but Isaiah Win, it doesn't matter. I don't care what

1939
01:42:30,600 --> 01:42:34,040
Speaker 1: happens after the penalty. The Patriots might have fewer of them,

1940
01:42:35,000 --> 01:42:38,560
Speaker 1: but they're mindless penalties, like not lined up on the

1941
01:42:38,680 --> 01:42:42,000
Speaker 1: line is a dumb penalty by Isaiah Win the other day.

1942
01:42:42,320 --> 01:42:44,280
Speaker 1: And what we do around here is we excuse it

1943
01:42:44,360 --> 01:42:46,439
Speaker 1: and say it was a bad call. That's what we do.

1944
01:42:46,640 --> 01:42:49,360
Speaker 1: I don't say the who says that, Mike Greece. So

1945
01:42:50,200 --> 01:42:54,160
Speaker 1: the Patriots have the fourth fewest penalties in the league

1946
01:42:54,200 --> 01:42:56,560
Speaker 1: right now, they've had thirty. They were extremely low penalized

1947
01:42:56,640 --> 01:42:59,280
Speaker 1: last year. The Ravens are number one at eight. Another good,

1948
01:42:59,400 --> 01:43:03,800
Speaker 1: well coached team right with Harbaugh. But I understand that

1949
01:43:03,920 --> 01:43:06,960
Speaker 1: it feels like these penalties are backbreakers, but I really

1950
01:43:07,040 --> 01:43:09,160
Speaker 1: think it goes back to Fred's point, which is a

1951
01:43:09,280 --> 01:43:13,479
Speaker 1: second that this offense gets behind schedule when it gets

1952
01:43:13,520 --> 01:43:16,120
Speaker 1: a negative play, it gets a penalty that pushes it back.

1953
01:43:16,880 --> 01:43:21,040
Speaker 1: That's it. I think that's that's one true I think.

1954
01:43:21,280 --> 01:43:24,680
Speaker 1: But I can understand that sometimes you're gonna get beat.

1955
01:43:24,720 --> 01:43:27,519
Speaker 1: You got to hold a guy to prevent your quarterback

1956
01:43:27,560 --> 01:43:31,759
Speaker 1: from getting killed. I just can't live with false starts

1957
01:43:31,960 --> 01:43:34,920
Speaker 1: and jumping off side on fourth and one in twelve

1958
01:43:35,000 --> 01:43:36,439
Speaker 1: men on the field, which you've had at least two

1959
01:43:36,479 --> 01:43:39,040
Speaker 1: of in three games. Like you should see twelve men

1960
01:43:39,080 --> 01:43:41,560
Speaker 1: on the field like once a year. They get it

1961
01:43:41,640 --> 01:43:43,760
Speaker 1: like eight times a year. Yeah, that's been a problem

1962
01:43:43,800 --> 01:43:46,760
Speaker 1: for a couple of years. But yes, first should not be.

1963
01:43:46,880 --> 01:43:48,680
Speaker 1: But it's not a lot, Like they don't have like

1964
01:43:49,000 --> 01:43:52,200
Speaker 1: fifteen penalty. Don't think like the nineteen seventies Raiders getting

1965
01:43:52,240 --> 01:43:55,200
Speaker 1: fifteen penalties a game. But when you only get prestap

1966
01:43:55,280 --> 01:43:57,519
Speaker 1: penalties three or four of them is a lot, right,

1967
01:43:57,560 --> 01:44:00,439
Speaker 1: I mean half of their prestap penalties according to this site,

1968
01:44:00,479 --> 01:44:03,120
Speaker 1: at least are half of their penalties or pre snap

1969
01:44:03,160 --> 01:44:05,680
Speaker 1: penalties that's my point, right, and I think but the

1970
01:44:05,800 --> 01:44:08,200
Speaker 1: fact that first and fifteen is he might as well

1971
01:44:08,280 --> 01:44:12,360
Speaker 1: as trot Jake Bailey out there. Now, that is an issue.

1972
01:44:12,360 --> 01:44:16,360
Speaker 1: Forget the fact that they can't overcome the guy, that

1973
01:44:16,439 --> 01:44:19,960
Speaker 1: they can't overcome any negative play like anything that puts

1974
01:44:20,040 --> 01:44:23,960
Speaker 1: their offense behind schedule or behind the sticks is an issue.

1975
01:44:24,439 --> 01:44:27,559
Speaker 1: And I think that's that's so preventable. But my larger

1976
01:44:27,640 --> 01:44:30,120
Speaker 1: point with it is not just that it happens, because

1977
01:44:30,360 --> 01:44:33,360
Speaker 1: it does happen. But I don't think that Bill spends

1978
01:44:33,400 --> 01:44:36,880
Speaker 1: any less time drilling his team. I watched training camp.

1979
01:44:36,960 --> 01:44:40,439
Speaker 1: Every year. I see situation after situation after situation. The

1980
01:44:40,560 --> 01:44:43,479
Speaker 1: preparation is the same as it was every other year

1981
01:44:43,520 --> 01:44:45,920
Speaker 1: I've been out there. We're gonna go over the free kick.

1982
01:44:46,120 --> 01:44:48,760
Speaker 1: We're gonna go over rushing the field goal team onto

1983
01:44:48,840 --> 01:44:50,720
Speaker 1: the field with its clock running. We're gonna do it

1984
01:44:50,800 --> 01:44:52,560
Speaker 1: while we run up to the line and spike it,

1985
01:44:52,720 --> 01:44:54,360
Speaker 1: or the field goal team runs on the field. We're

1986
01:44:54,400 --> 01:44:56,080
Speaker 1: gonna do it with the time out without a time

1987
01:44:56,120 --> 01:44:59,240
Speaker 1: I've seen them do every one of these scenarios a

1988
01:44:59,400 --> 01:45:02,720
Speaker 1: mindless amount of times over the twenty plus years. He

1989
01:45:02,880 --> 01:45:05,640
Speaker 1: does it the same way every time. They're not all

1990
01:45:05,680 --> 01:45:08,880
Speaker 1: of a sudden polly coached, right, They're still exceptionally well coached.

1991
01:45:09,760 --> 01:45:12,000
Speaker 1: Like Dan Campbell doesn't tell us, guys, go out and

1992
01:45:12,080 --> 01:45:14,200
Speaker 1: jump offside, right, go out and see if he can

1993
01:45:14,280 --> 01:45:17,000
Speaker 1: fumble today? You know what, you don't do enough. I'm

1994
01:45:17,040 --> 01:45:18,920
Speaker 1: on ross A Brown. You catch a lot of passes,

1995
01:45:18,960 --> 01:45:20,639
Speaker 1: but you don't have any fumbles. Why don't you see

1996
01:45:20,640 --> 01:45:22,559
Speaker 1: if you can lose one? So I want to guess,

1997
01:45:22,600 --> 01:45:24,639
Speaker 1: and who is the most penalized team through three games?

1998
01:45:24,720 --> 01:45:27,800
Speaker 1: Because if we could make this about coaching, it's not

1999
01:45:27,880 --> 01:45:30,400
Speaker 1: the Lions, but it is no no who everybody thinks

2000
01:45:30,439 --> 01:45:32,599
Speaker 1: it's probably the worst coach head coach in the league, right,

2001
01:45:32,640 --> 01:45:34,519
Speaker 1: and it's not Dan Campbell. It's not Dan Campbell. That

2002
01:45:34,560 --> 01:45:39,800
Speaker 1: would have been my pick San Diego, No, no, oh, Denver, Oh,

2003
01:45:40,160 --> 01:45:43,040
Speaker 1: Nathaniel Hackett, Yeah he's uh yeah. They had a million

2004
01:45:43,240 --> 01:45:46,200
Speaker 1: false starts in Seattle first game of the year, and

2005
01:45:46,280 --> 01:45:48,559
Speaker 1: they've had a number of delayed games too. I think

2006
01:45:48,600 --> 01:45:50,640
Speaker 1: you're right, Paul, like like the message hasn't changed, but

2007
01:45:50,800 --> 01:45:53,040
Speaker 1: like the penalties I feel like have changed, you know,

2008
01:45:53,120 --> 01:45:55,840
Speaker 1: like these mental mistakes are continuing to pop up. No,

2009
01:45:56,000 --> 01:45:58,240
Speaker 1: I know, but like, let's not say that they're polly coached.

2010
01:45:58,240 --> 01:46:00,320
Speaker 1: As a result, their players aren't as good as used

2011
01:46:00,320 --> 01:46:03,679
Speaker 1: to be. I mean, I mean, I I that's really

2012
01:46:03,680 --> 01:46:05,640
Speaker 1: with you on that point too, But I also, I

2013
01:46:05,680 --> 01:46:07,479
Speaker 1: mean I think I'm pushing more to the side of

2014
01:46:07,640 --> 01:46:10,400
Speaker 1: like is the message still resonating. Are these guys still

2015
01:46:10,439 --> 01:46:12,759
Speaker 1: getting on the same page maybe, like like it doesn't

2016
01:46:12,800 --> 01:46:15,400
Speaker 1: take a talented player to not jump off to I know,

2017
01:46:15,640 --> 01:46:18,240
Speaker 1: but like some guys don't have the discipline that that

2018
01:46:18,360 --> 01:46:21,000
Speaker 1: it takes, just like the ball security, I don't know,

2019
01:46:21,280 --> 01:46:23,640
Speaker 1: like how much discipline does it even take though, Like

2020
01:46:23,720 --> 01:46:27,960
Speaker 1: it's just an ounce of self awareness. Isaiah win secure

2021
01:46:28,040 --> 01:46:31,120
Speaker 1: point is interesting too because his tape on like a

2022
01:46:31,200 --> 01:46:34,080
Speaker 1: block to block basis is actually pretty solid through three games,

2023
01:46:34,280 --> 01:46:37,120
Speaker 1: but he's got like six penalties and half of them

2024
01:46:37,160 --> 01:46:42,760
Speaker 1: are more are pre snap false starts. I think it's right,

2025
01:46:42,960 --> 01:46:46,120
Speaker 1: and it's just when you actually break down the technique

2026
01:46:46,160 --> 01:46:48,200
Speaker 1: and if is he gett into his landmarks and is

2027
01:46:48,240 --> 01:46:50,160
Speaker 1: he actually making the blocks? Are asking him to make

2028
01:46:50,520 --> 01:46:53,320
Speaker 1: more times than that he is. But I guys, I

2029
01:46:53,360 --> 01:46:54,960
Speaker 1: see what you guys are saying, and I I mean,

2030
01:46:55,000 --> 01:46:57,519
Speaker 1: I get it, And Alex, You're right like it shouldn't take,

2031
01:46:58,160 --> 01:47:00,679
Speaker 1: you know, the most disciplined play to say I can't

2032
01:47:00,680 --> 01:47:04,040
Speaker 1: fumble to But you do wonder just the snaps on too.

2033
01:47:04,160 --> 01:47:07,240
Speaker 1: I mean, how about how about your look at last year?

2034
01:47:07,280 --> 01:47:09,680
Speaker 1: We had two glaring examples that I railed against all year.

2035
01:47:09,920 --> 01:47:12,040
Speaker 1: You know. Romander Stevenson fumbled in the opener. We didn't

2036
01:47:12,040 --> 01:47:14,920
Speaker 1: see him for like a month. And JJ Taylor fumbled

2037
01:47:14,960 --> 01:47:18,840
Speaker 1: against Tampa. We didn't see him again still, and now

2038
01:47:19,200 --> 01:47:21,280
Speaker 1: Nelson Agle was allowed to fumble twice in two in

2039
01:47:21,400 --> 01:47:24,240
Speaker 1: three weeks, you know, and there was no repercussion in

2040
01:47:24,320 --> 01:47:27,400
Speaker 1: between there. Ken Kendrick Bourn fumbled. Is that the reason

2041
01:47:27,479 --> 01:47:29,760
Speaker 1: why he doesn't play? I don't know. I don't think so.

2042
01:47:30,080 --> 01:47:33,120
Speaker 1: And to your point, how many times in training camp

2043
01:47:33,200 --> 01:47:36,559
Speaker 1: have we seen them do ball security drills? Every single

2044
01:47:36,640 --> 01:47:40,080
Speaker 1: player that touches the football goes through ball security drills

2045
01:47:40,160 --> 01:47:42,920
Speaker 1: and there's guys whacking him with those those pads, or

2046
01:47:43,000 --> 01:47:44,800
Speaker 1: they ripped down on the ball they're trying to put

2047
01:47:44,920 --> 01:47:48,320
Speaker 1: times we've seen Bill take out the hose to train

2048
01:47:48,439 --> 01:47:54,599
Speaker 1: him for rainy, rainy games. Right, put that away, Thank

2049
01:47:54,640 --> 01:47:56,960
Speaker 1: you for that clarific. I think it's I think it's

2050
01:47:57,000 --> 01:47:59,760
Speaker 1: a perception thing. Yeah, half their penalty is a priest

2051
01:48:00,000 --> 01:48:03,760
Speaker 1: app but that number is low. It's low. It's low,

2052
01:48:04,120 --> 01:48:07,240
Speaker 1: and I'm not I didn't know that, but I'm not surprised.

2053
01:48:07,400 --> 01:48:10,840
Speaker 1: It's comparable to probably most other teams, or maybe even

2054
01:48:10,960 --> 01:48:14,720
Speaker 1: not as bad. So but to me, it's just I'm

2055
01:48:14,720 --> 01:48:17,320
Speaker 1: gonna get back to the state I've always, like Evan said,

2056
01:48:17,360 --> 01:48:20,080
Speaker 1: when they get behind schedule, when they get behind the sticks,

2057
01:48:20,400 --> 01:48:23,799
Speaker 1: they can't overcome it because they become easy to defend.

2058
01:48:24,000 --> 01:48:26,360
Speaker 1: I'll go back to that, but i they're easy to

2059
01:48:26,439 --> 01:48:29,840
Speaker 1: defend because they're players. But that's I'm gonna I'm gonna

2060
01:48:29,880 --> 01:48:31,880
Speaker 1: die on that hill with you, Fred, But they weren't

2061
01:48:31,920 --> 01:48:35,280
Speaker 1: easy to defend against Baltimore. Eight explosive plays, four hundred

2062
01:48:35,320 --> 01:48:36,920
Speaker 1: yards of offense. I mean, they moved the ball, they

2063
01:48:36,960 --> 01:48:38,519
Speaker 1: had it, they had it. They had a really solid

2064
01:48:38,560 --> 01:48:42,679
Speaker 1: offensive day to that, and accept a mistake killed their momentum.

2065
01:48:42,800 --> 01:48:48,720
Speaker 1: It's fumbles, Nelson Aglor fumbling and that spot is just

2066
01:48:48,800 --> 01:48:51,800
Speaker 1: an absolute killer. Yeah, you know, and it just it

2067
01:48:51,920 --> 01:48:54,640
Speaker 1: shocks me because I remember last year Kendrith Bourne was

2068
01:48:54,720 --> 01:48:57,320
Speaker 1: talking about how Belichick changed the way he carries the

2069
01:48:57,360 --> 01:48:59,679
Speaker 1: football and that was a big reason why he became

2070
01:48:59,720 --> 01:49:05,479
Speaker 1: a really good Yeah, he credited him with breaking the touchdown. Yes, yes, yeah,

2071
01:49:05,560 --> 01:49:08,240
Speaker 1: I mean I could give you about twelve examples of this.

2072
01:49:08,520 --> 01:49:10,960
Speaker 1: So so Kendrick Bourne last years is saying. I'm not

2073
01:49:11,000 --> 01:49:12,920
Speaker 1: saying Kendrick Bourne is going back on that or anything,

2074
01:49:13,000 --> 01:49:16,880
Speaker 1: but he said last year that Belichick changed the way

2075
01:49:16,920 --> 01:49:19,200
Speaker 1: he carries the football on the open field, made him

2076
01:49:19,240 --> 01:49:22,880
Speaker 1: more aware, made him a better ball security receiver, and

2077
01:49:23,000 --> 01:49:24,479
Speaker 1: he was one of the best yack receivers in the

2078
01:49:24,560 --> 01:49:28,360
Speaker 1: league last year statistically. And Kendrick Bourne's getting the same

2079
01:49:28,400 --> 01:49:30,720
Speaker 1: coaching that Nelson Aglore is getting right, And ye, they

2080
01:49:30,800 --> 01:49:34,920
Speaker 1: both fumbled on something. Yeah, it just the fumbles. I mean,

2081
01:49:35,000 --> 01:49:38,360
Speaker 1: that play is one of the better throws I've seen

2082
01:49:38,439 --> 01:49:41,840
Speaker 1: Mac make to the middle of the field in a while. Yes, yeah,

2083
01:49:42,000 --> 01:49:45,679
Speaker 1: it hits some mentor ride over two defenders, an absolute dart.

2084
01:49:46,240 --> 01:49:48,800
Speaker 1: It goes for a big play and he fumbles at

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01:49:48,840 --> 01:49:51,120
Speaker 1: the end of the run. And it's just it's a killer.

2086
01:49:51,280 --> 01:49:54,400
Speaker 1: You can't have those types of mistakes and beating. Just

2087
01:49:54,439 --> 01:49:56,400
Speaker 1: throw my hands up him. Let's go, Paul, We're going

2088
01:49:56,439 --> 01:49:58,680
Speaker 1: to do the post game show. This is over. That

2089
01:49:58,880 --> 01:50:00,920
Speaker 1: was was it on that one. It was on the

2090
01:50:00,960 --> 01:50:05,960
Speaker 1: last pick, on the last pick when. But the penalties thing,

2091
01:50:06,800 --> 01:50:09,240
Speaker 1: And I'm not blaming fans for not being able to

2092
01:50:09,280 --> 01:50:11,360
Speaker 1: watch all thirty two teams, but I think that that

2093
01:50:11,520 --> 01:50:15,519
Speaker 1: really is what it comes back to, is that Patriots

2094
01:50:15,560 --> 01:50:17,720
Speaker 1: fans watch the Patriots, right, and maybe they watch the

2095
01:50:17,760 --> 01:50:19,840
Speaker 1: other team they're playing. And I'm with Patriots fans on

2096
01:50:19,920 --> 01:50:21,599
Speaker 1: that that's the only team I care about. I don't

2097
01:50:21,640 --> 01:50:23,479
Speaker 1: care what how many penalties the other teams are getting.

2098
01:50:23,640 --> 01:50:26,320
Speaker 1: That's why you have to look at the statistics and say, Okay,

2099
01:50:26,360 --> 01:50:30,559
Speaker 1: are they actually getting a lot of penalties or are

2100
01:50:30,640 --> 01:50:34,080
Speaker 1: these just situational, timely penalties that stand out in our

2101
01:50:34,120 --> 01:50:37,400
Speaker 1: heads that we are aware, hyper aware of because we're

2102
01:50:37,720 --> 01:50:40,760
Speaker 1: so focused on watching the PA because every play, every

2103
01:50:40,880 --> 01:50:45,240
Speaker 1: play is precious. But I'm just I'm used to seeing

2104
01:50:45,880 --> 01:50:47,760
Speaker 1: I'm used to seeing the other team lining up to

2105
01:50:47,840 --> 01:50:50,680
Speaker 1: kick like a forty eight yard field goal and that

2106
01:50:50,880 --> 01:50:54,439
Speaker 1: cheesy high school hardcount. We're gonna slam down on the

2107
01:50:54,479 --> 01:50:58,040
Speaker 1: defensive line. Everybody's gonna violently shift to the left to

2108
01:50:58,120 --> 01:51:00,320
Speaker 1: try to get the field goal team to so he

2109
01:51:00,400 --> 01:51:02,320
Speaker 1: makes it a fifty three yard field goal. And it

2110
01:51:02,400 --> 01:51:05,120
Speaker 1: worked every time. Now, it works against us. Now we

2111
01:51:05,240 --> 01:51:07,479
Speaker 1: do those things. I don't care how many times. I

2112
01:51:07,520 --> 01:51:09,240
Speaker 1: don't care if we do it less than the other teams.

2113
01:51:09,479 --> 01:51:12,080
Speaker 1: We do it. We never used to. We never used

2114
01:51:12,120 --> 01:51:14,160
Speaker 1: to fall for the banana and the tailpipe. Now Carl

2115
01:51:14,280 --> 01:51:16,800
Speaker 1: Davis jumps offside on an art account on fourth and

2116
01:51:16,920 --> 01:51:19,040
Speaker 1: one in the first series of the season, like that

2117
01:51:19,280 --> 01:51:22,760
Speaker 1: never used to happen. Next week, Um, yeah, we had

2118
01:51:22,800 --> 01:51:24,519
Speaker 1: another one the next week. We should have given him,

2119
01:51:24,520 --> 01:51:27,640
Speaker 1: but Pittsburgh didn't snap the ball. I remember that now,

2120
01:51:27,760 --> 01:51:31,160
Speaker 1: was that Carl Davis again might have been Wow, let's

2121
01:51:31,160 --> 01:51:34,639
Speaker 1: go to Eric in New Jersey? What's up Eric? Hey?

2122
01:51:34,720 --> 01:51:37,120
Speaker 1: For though? I had a question? So let's let the

2123
01:51:37,320 --> 01:51:42,040
Speaker 1: defense here, Um, Barnmore here. I'm not gonna I'm not

2124
01:51:42,040 --> 01:51:43,880
Speaker 1: gonna bury the guy out here trying to chase from

2125
01:51:43,920 --> 01:51:45,439
Speaker 1: More around. But what are we going to see that

2126
01:51:45,880 --> 01:51:47,960
Speaker 1: that breakout game from him that you know, I think

2127
01:51:48,040 --> 01:51:50,160
Speaker 1: that we've been waiting to see. And you know, as

2128
01:51:50,200 --> 01:51:53,960
Speaker 1: far as the linebackers, you know, Matt Wilson, Ray Kuaming

2129
01:51:54,000 --> 01:51:55,720
Speaker 1: Mill and they just don't seem to be answering the

2130
01:51:55,760 --> 01:51:58,439
Speaker 1: bell here. I know it's still early, um, but you know,

2131
01:51:58,600 --> 01:52:02,160
Speaker 1: we have no answer moving forward, and I think this

2132
01:52:02,560 --> 01:52:04,840
Speaker 1: youth movement that we had, I mean looking you know,

2133
01:52:04,960 --> 01:52:07,200
Speaker 1: scanning through the pieces on defense, like who do we

2134
01:52:07,280 --> 01:52:09,280
Speaker 1: have here to build? I know Bentley has his role here,

2135
01:52:09,360 --> 01:52:12,360
Speaker 1: but I mean just looking this to early just seems

2136
01:52:12,360 --> 01:52:15,040
Speaker 1: the blues that we have here, what do you guys

2137
01:52:15,120 --> 01:52:17,800
Speaker 1: take on that? Yeah, so you know Barmore and then

2138
01:52:17,840 --> 01:52:21,240
Speaker 1: the linebackers. You know, I don't know about Barmore. To me,

2139
01:52:21,400 --> 01:52:23,400
Speaker 1: he's got to get out there more. He's he can't

2140
01:52:23,439 --> 01:52:26,000
Speaker 1: be just a pass down lineman. You know, That's not

2141
01:52:27,200 --> 01:52:29,439
Speaker 1: why we got him in the second round, um and

2142
01:52:30,000 --> 01:52:33,479
Speaker 1: why I think some people think he was higher talent

2143
01:52:33,560 --> 01:52:37,240
Speaker 1: than that. So I don't know it. Probably there's stuff

2144
01:52:37,280 --> 01:52:40,519
Speaker 1: going on in practice where he's not earning to be

2145
01:52:40,640 --> 01:52:43,719
Speaker 1: out there on four downs, but or at least three downs.

2146
01:52:43,760 --> 01:52:46,640
Speaker 1: But well, you know, I don't know, Yeah, you know.

2147
01:52:47,080 --> 01:52:49,519
Speaker 1: And then the linebackers, I'm not I mean, I'm still

2148
01:52:49,800 --> 01:52:51,280
Speaker 1: I'm still giving them a chance. I mean, ray Le

2149
01:52:51,360 --> 01:52:53,400
Speaker 1: McMillan is the whole year within ACL. He played two

2150
01:52:53,439 --> 01:52:55,519
Speaker 1: games and then he broke his thumb and apparently you

2151
01:52:55,600 --> 01:52:58,200
Speaker 1: know he's back out there now. And mac Wilson I

2152
01:52:58,360 --> 01:53:00,280
Speaker 1: said yesterday, I felt like he was in a under

2153
01:53:00,400 --> 01:53:03,280
Speaker 1: against that offense exactly what I was. And I think,

2154
01:53:03,479 --> 01:53:05,360
Speaker 1: you know, and I think it's unique though, like it's

2155
01:53:05,439 --> 01:53:07,320
Speaker 1: like I could get it, Like it wasn't what we wanted.

2156
01:53:07,360 --> 01:53:09,799
Speaker 1: Everybody wants a mobile linebacker to deal with Lamar Jackson,

2157
01:53:10,240 --> 01:53:12,320
Speaker 1: but they got him like just like they get most people.

2158
01:53:12,400 --> 01:53:15,280
Speaker 1: So I'm not like totally out on those guys yet,

2159
01:53:15,560 --> 01:53:19,559
Speaker 1: but I hear what. Yeah, Pittsburgh, we were lauding mac Wilson.

2160
01:53:19,840 --> 01:53:21,560
Speaker 1: We were saying he had a great game, right, he

2161
01:53:21,680 --> 01:53:24,720
Speaker 1: had a great play. Okay, but that tends to like,

2162
01:53:25,200 --> 01:53:27,799
Speaker 1: you know, he started, he started, but if he started,

2163
01:53:27,840 --> 01:53:31,519
Speaker 1: and that's my point. But it wasn't a problem. If

2164
01:53:31,560 --> 01:53:33,840
Speaker 1: you make a flash play, that's all it takes around

2165
01:53:33,880 --> 01:53:37,280
Speaker 1: here to get like he's gonna play. You know, I

2166
01:53:37,360 --> 01:53:39,439
Speaker 1: just got about the other fifty plays. I mean, you know,

2167
01:53:39,520 --> 01:53:42,360
Speaker 1: and the lack of Dugger certainly was an issue. But

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01:53:42,439 --> 01:53:43,519
Speaker 1: you know, I just I wonder if they're going to

2169
01:53:43,560 --> 01:53:45,960
Speaker 1: continue going forward in the future years to keep trying

2170
01:53:46,000 --> 01:53:48,479
Speaker 1: to play strong safeties as linebackers and you know, if this,

2171
01:53:49,400 --> 01:53:50,760
Speaker 1: like I wonder if they were gonna do it this year,

2172
01:53:50,760 --> 01:53:52,960
Speaker 1: And it seems like what they Their response was was, yeah,

2173
01:53:53,080 --> 01:53:55,360
Speaker 1: kind of, we're gonna put Bentley and to buy on

2174
01:53:55,400 --> 01:53:57,120
Speaker 1: the edges a little bit and not play them off

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01:53:57,160 --> 01:53:59,599
Speaker 1: the ball as much as we'd had before, and listened

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01:53:59,680 --> 01:54:03,280
Speaker 1: to that in that game that hurt. I think, you know,

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01:54:03,360 --> 01:54:04,920
Speaker 1: do I think they would have shut him down? No,

2178
01:54:05,160 --> 01:54:08,559
Speaker 1: but I think he's the right guy. I think he's yeah,

2179
01:54:08,640 --> 01:54:10,920
Speaker 1: And that's what you needed against the you know, physical team,

2180
01:54:10,920 --> 01:54:13,880
Speaker 1: you know. And I thought that maybe Wilson's experience because

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01:54:13,880 --> 01:54:16,479
Speaker 1: I think he had to have played no, that's always said, right,

2182
01:54:16,520 --> 01:54:18,439
Speaker 1: you know, from Cleveland. He had to have seen that,

2183
01:54:18,600 --> 01:54:26,280
Speaker 1: Like he didn't look like he's what what he got

2184
01:54:26,560 --> 01:54:30,360
Speaker 1: into on Sunday was ball watching essentially, right he was.

2185
01:54:31,439 --> 01:54:33,920
Speaker 1: I think with the Patriots taken defensively, we hear it

2186
01:54:34,040 --> 01:54:35,800
Speaker 1: so many times, do your job, And I know that

2187
01:54:35,920 --> 01:54:38,560
Speaker 1: that gets cliche and everything like that, but against a

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01:54:38,680 --> 01:54:42,800
Speaker 1: team like the Ravens and Lamar, you really actually need

2189
01:54:42,880 --> 01:54:45,040
Speaker 1: to just do your job because if you're constantly just

2190
01:54:45,160 --> 01:54:47,160
Speaker 1: trying to read the mesh point and follow where the

2191
01:54:47,240 --> 01:54:49,760
Speaker 1: ball is going, then you're gonna look lost. And if

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01:54:49,840 --> 01:54:52,360
Speaker 1: you just know, okay, like my role in the fit

2193
01:54:52,680 --> 01:54:54,840
Speaker 1: is the play side b gap, like that's my that's

2194
01:54:54,920 --> 01:54:57,480
Speaker 1: my run fit on this play, and he just play

2195
01:54:57,520 --> 01:54:59,800
Speaker 1: the B gap and you don't get caught up with

2196
01:54:59,840 --> 01:55:01,680
Speaker 1: all the window dressing and stuff like that. He got

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01:55:02,000 --> 01:55:03,920
Speaker 1: up in it. That's how you have success against an

2198
01:55:03,960 --> 01:55:06,400
Speaker 1: option offense. Like that's how you have success against Lamar.

2199
01:55:06,640 --> 01:55:09,480
Speaker 1: And I think on Sunday, way too many guys were

2200
01:55:09,960 --> 01:55:12,240
Speaker 1: trying to just read out every single play at the

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01:55:12,320 --> 01:55:14,560
Speaker 1: mesh point and then trying to figure out where the

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01:55:14,640 --> 01:55:16,880
Speaker 1: ball was going. And there's a reason. On top of

2203
01:55:17,000 --> 01:55:20,080
Speaker 1: him just being super athletic, Lamar is really good at

2204
01:55:20,200 --> 01:55:22,400
Speaker 1: hiding the football at the mesh point and making you

2205
01:55:23,320 --> 01:55:25,440
Speaker 1: jump one way or another and out of your gap.

2206
01:55:25,600 --> 01:55:28,560
Speaker 1: And that happened a lot on Sunday. Yeah, Bentley too,

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01:55:28,640 --> 01:55:31,960
Speaker 1: I felt like he was in that that mix Peppers somewhat.

2208
01:55:32,040 --> 01:55:34,280
Speaker 1: I felt like, yeah, I undersized and they ran over

2209
01:55:34,400 --> 01:55:36,320
Speaker 1: him with it. They just continue to do that right

2210
01:55:36,400 --> 01:55:39,160
Speaker 1: And and that's another thing about this safety is playing

2211
01:55:39,200 --> 01:55:40,960
Speaker 1: in the box. And I think a big reason why

2212
01:55:41,000 --> 01:55:43,160
Speaker 1: they missed Kyle Duggar two is he's got a little

2213
01:55:43,160 --> 01:55:45,520
Speaker 1: bit more size and play strength, I would say than

2214
01:55:45,560 --> 01:55:48,400
Speaker 1: Jabriel Peppers. But some of the bigger runs that they

2215
01:55:48,480 --> 01:55:52,680
Speaker 1: had on the design runs. Were those gap runs where

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01:55:52,680 --> 01:55:55,560
Speaker 1: they're folding the offensive the defensive line and they're going

2217
01:55:55,960 --> 01:55:59,160
Speaker 1: guard to safety. Yeah, right, so that they're running a

2218
01:55:59,280 --> 01:56:03,000
Speaker 1: weak side coming Jabriel Peppers is trying to take on

2219
01:56:03,080 --> 01:56:05,720
Speaker 1: a guard in the hole. I mean, that's not a

2220
01:56:05,800 --> 01:56:09,840
Speaker 1: matchup you're gonna win if you Okay, thank you? Uh

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01:56:10,080 --> 01:56:15,200
Speaker 1: one more quick email one and Stratford, Connecticut. Um, he says,

2222
01:56:15,200 --> 01:56:19,120
Speaker 1: if you're in that area in August, making an effort

2223
01:56:19,160 --> 01:56:23,960
Speaker 1: to stop at Solernos for plumb tomato pie tomato, it's

2224
01:56:24,000 --> 01:56:28,000
Speaker 1: scamarza cheese, all right. Anyway. Two questions. One, are we

2225
01:56:28,120 --> 01:56:31,560
Speaker 1: concerned that Barmore's play style is being changed forcibly and

2226
01:56:31,680 --> 01:56:34,880
Speaker 1: he's not being used for his strengths. I'll defer to

2227
01:56:34,960 --> 01:56:38,240
Speaker 1: you on this one. I think I'll like. I think

2228
01:56:38,240 --> 01:56:40,400
Speaker 1: we're getting to the point honestly, and I look, I

2229
01:56:40,440 --> 01:56:42,960
Speaker 1: get it the team has struggled since the last year

2230
01:56:43,000 --> 01:56:45,040
Speaker 1: at a point, but like not everything that Bill Belichick

2231
01:56:45,160 --> 01:56:48,120
Speaker 1: does is wrong, And I feel like we're constantly in

2232
01:56:48,200 --> 01:56:52,200
Speaker 1: this mind now where every single player's development they're ruining somehow,

2233
01:56:52,320 --> 01:56:55,600
Speaker 1: Like Christian Barmore is not being used correctly. This guy's

2234
01:56:55,640 --> 01:56:58,480
Speaker 1: not like playing that guy's you know, in the wrong

2235
01:56:58,640 --> 01:57:01,240
Speaker 1: offense or whatever. It's like always like that. But I

2236
01:57:01,360 --> 01:57:04,000
Speaker 1: do think that the first three weeks of the season,

2237
01:57:04,520 --> 01:57:06,960
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say that too is necessarily the most mobile guy,

2238
01:57:07,040 --> 01:57:09,360
Speaker 1: but they do a lot of moving pockets, right, They

2239
01:57:09,440 --> 01:57:11,480
Speaker 1: boot leg and they move the pocket a lot. So

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01:57:12,240 --> 01:57:15,440
Speaker 1: that's one week where gap discipline and rush lane integrity

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01:57:15,440 --> 01:57:17,720
Speaker 1: and all that kind of stuff is important. Trubisky is

2242
01:57:17,760 --> 01:57:19,800
Speaker 1: definitely a guy that can run around a little bit,

2243
01:57:20,040 --> 01:57:21,440
Speaker 1: and probably was the only way that they were going

2244
01:57:21,520 --> 01:57:23,160
Speaker 1: to lose to him is if they let him run

2245
01:57:23,200 --> 01:57:26,120
Speaker 1: around like crazy. And then obviously Lamar so these first

2246
01:57:26,160 --> 01:57:29,320
Speaker 1: three weeks, and maybe this is also partially just where

2247
01:57:29,360 --> 01:57:30,960
Speaker 1: the league is going, is that they play a lot

2248
01:57:31,000 --> 01:57:33,760
Speaker 1: of athletes at the quarterback position now, and especially in

2249
01:57:33,800 --> 01:57:36,160
Speaker 1: the division. You have two offenses that are going to

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01:57:36,200 --> 01:57:38,520
Speaker 1: move the pocket. You have Josh Allen like it's going

2251
01:57:38,560 --> 01:57:40,360
Speaker 1: to be more of that. You got Aaron Rodgers who

2252
01:57:40,360 --> 01:57:42,560
Speaker 1: can move, yeah, Jerry Goff they like to use the

2253
01:57:42,640 --> 01:57:45,000
Speaker 1: same kind of way with those short boots and you know,

2254
01:57:45,160 --> 01:57:48,200
Speaker 1: get them out, you know, justin fields. Obviously they don't

2255
01:57:48,200 --> 01:57:49,880
Speaker 1: they don't want him throw when they want him running

2256
01:57:49,880 --> 01:57:52,240
Speaker 1: they're not letting them throw, so you're going to see

2257
01:57:52,240 --> 01:57:55,280
Speaker 1: a lot more of that kind of style. Number Two,

2258
01:57:55,360 --> 01:57:57,839
Speaker 1: considering how many note calls that were in the Patriots

2259
01:57:57,960 --> 01:58:01,360
Speaker 1: Ravens games, do you think the on Mac was egregious

2260
01:58:01,400 --> 01:58:03,720
Speaker 1: and ill intentioned? I know what D Lineman's got to

2261
01:58:03,800 --> 01:58:05,480
Speaker 1: do his job, but it seemed like the ball was

2262
01:58:05,560 --> 01:58:09,440
Speaker 1: long gone as Calais seemed to be leveraging like a

2263
01:58:09,520 --> 01:58:13,040
Speaker 1: Middle Ages battling catapult. Oh, I don't know. I don't

2264
01:58:13,040 --> 01:58:14,720
Speaker 1: know about that one. I got that an good question

2265
01:58:14,800 --> 01:58:16,720
Speaker 1: the mail bag too. I didn't. I mean, it just

2266
01:58:16,920 --> 01:58:18,840
Speaker 1: kind of felt like he fell on him and I

2267
01:58:18,880 --> 01:58:20,640
Speaker 1: don't know, could he have taken more effort to not

2268
01:58:20,920 --> 01:58:23,400
Speaker 1: I have a controversial take on this. I could say

2269
01:58:23,480 --> 01:58:26,840
Speaker 1: if it was every Patriots fans would be screaming right now,

2270
01:58:26,880 --> 01:58:29,080
Speaker 1: and I don't hear any screaming. I have a controversial

2271
01:58:29,200 --> 01:58:32,280
Speaker 1: take on it. I think the league's rules caused this

2272
01:58:32,440 --> 01:58:35,760
Speaker 1: injury because you're not allowed to land on the guy.

2273
01:58:36,240 --> 01:58:40,480
Speaker 1: I think Calais Campbell intentionally moved all of his weight

2274
01:58:40,560 --> 01:58:43,120
Speaker 1: to the left, so as he landed on the ground,

2275
01:58:43,200 --> 01:58:45,240
Speaker 1: you watch him land. He does not land anywhere on

2276
01:58:45,400 --> 01:58:48,400
Speaker 1: Mac Jones. He lands on the ground, but the foot

2277
01:58:48,560 --> 01:58:51,440
Speaker 1: is pinned underneath him, and I think he made such

2278
01:58:51,480 --> 01:58:54,120
Speaker 1: an effort not to land on mac Jones that he

2279
01:58:54,200 --> 01:58:57,840
Speaker 1: ended up hurting mac Jones. Now the late part of that,

2280
01:58:58,800 --> 01:59:00,680
Speaker 1: you could tell me that maybe it was late. I mean,

2281
01:59:01,280 --> 01:59:03,360
Speaker 1: I'm watching it in super slow motion. Every time I

2282
01:59:03,400 --> 01:59:08,480
Speaker 1: see it now in motion. When it's super slow motion,

2283
01:59:08,560 --> 01:59:11,200
Speaker 1: it looks late. But live, I didn't. I didn't think

2284
01:59:11,280 --> 01:59:13,560
Speaker 1: anything of it. I try not to watch plays like

2285
01:59:13,640 --> 01:59:17,680
Speaker 1: that multiple times. But in all seriousness, he lands directly

2286
01:59:18,120 --> 01:59:20,160
Speaker 1: next to mac Jones, and I think he did that

2287
01:59:20,240 --> 01:59:22,160
Speaker 1: because he knows if I land on him, I'm going

2288
01:59:22,200 --> 01:59:24,480
Speaker 1: to get one of those burping calls. You can't burp them.

2289
01:59:25,000 --> 01:59:26,920
Speaker 1: And I think that's one of the dumbest rules they

2290
01:59:26,960 --> 01:59:29,040
Speaker 1: put in, like you can not allow to tackle a

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