Speaker 1: Previously on number one.
Speaker 2: Dad, have you seen the house lightly?
Speaker 1: You still have the house? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't plan on getting rid of it.
Speaker 1: So yeah, tomorrow's the day I am going to meet
Speaker 1: my dad after all this time. What do you think
Speaker 1: about that? I honestly never thought that I would ever
Speaker 1: witness this. The recorder is in my bag with the mic.
Speaker 1: Thinking out of my bag, I have that which is
Speaker 1: wednsing so well. I love how proud you are a
Speaker 1: little late. I'm sorry, just pay you said when the
Speaker 1: horse is over. That's why I could get Kobe back.
Speaker 1: I never got to see my dog.
Speaker 2: Aye, I'm glad you're telling me now, which I can
Speaker 2: tell you. I'm sorry. He would have probably have been
Speaker 2: better off with you than with me.
Speaker 1: All right, Bet, it's a great dog.
Speaker 3: I'm not pushing you into anything, but I'll see you again.
Speaker 2: I want to see you again.
Speaker 1: I think you know Dave my day. I'm here to
Speaker 1: talk about my life and you're a voice in that.
Speaker 2: Look.
Speaker 1: I got to be honest with you.
Speaker 3: It feels like I'm setting myself up for a fall.
Speaker 4: After I secretly recorded the first meeting with my father
Speaker 4: at the Second Avenue Deli, I ended up telling him
Speaker 4: all about the podcast, but he had a ton of concerns.
Speaker 1: I'm looking to show that you're an interesting person. You're
Speaker 1: a person that I haven't talked to you in twenty
Speaker 1: four years. But what's the reason for that, you know,
Speaker 1: and like what is the reason for that? Can you
Speaker 1: show it in something like that?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 1: Will that tell somebody? Well, that's what'll That's what I
Speaker 1: want to talk to you about. You know, it's like
Speaker 1: a lot of history. So it's like you know, piecing
Speaker 1: together things you know we've gone through. Right, Okay, let
Speaker 1: me ask you something. Yeah, do you plan on using
Speaker 1: this with anybody else? What do you mean side of
Speaker 1: your podcast? What do you mean using it with anybody else?
Speaker 1: By that, like, we'll you using it in any way
Speaker 1: to hurt me or like like problems, legal problems or anything. No,
Speaker 1: it's to make a podcast. That's what this is for.
Speaker 1: The next step is to go to the house to
Speaker 1: just you know, walk around.
Speaker 2: Okay, but no video, no cameras, no pictures.
Speaker 1: Yeah I wouldn't be doing that, okay, but yeah, I'm.
Speaker 2: Just telling you there's no leeway there.
Speaker 1: So you let me search you if I want to.
Speaker 2: For a camera for anything.
Speaker 1: Make sure you still get your balls. Yeah. No, yeah.
Speaker 1: Is there something you want to take away with you
Speaker 1: when you come? Is that part of your plan. There's
Speaker 1: no part of my plan.
Speaker 4: But I mean, if you did have the Adam gravestick,
Speaker 4: I would take that back. In nineteen ninety four, the
Speaker 4: New York Rangers were playing the Quebec Nordis and this
Speaker 4: would be the first time my dad and I ever
Speaker 4: ran our SI for Kids scam for a Rangers game.
Speaker 4: So the Rangers would go on to win, and my
Speaker 4: dad and I go into locker room so I can
Speaker 4: interview the players. They had a great team that would
Speaker 4: go on to win the Stanley Cup that year, and
Speaker 4: one of their star players was Adam Graves. Graves ended
Speaker 4: up giving me his game stick and even signed it.
Speaker 4: I was beside myself. What also made this night so
Speaker 4: memorable was there was a terrible snowstorm in New York,
Speaker 4: so my dad and I were forced to stay in
Speaker 4: the city. I still have the image ingrained my head
Speaker 4: of him fast talking the employee at the front desk
Speaker 4: of the hotel Pennsylvania to get the lowest possible rate.
Speaker 4: Of course, he succeeded. I remember lying in bed did
Speaker 4: Adam Graves stick next to me, thinking what a cool night?
Speaker 4: And I guess the stick helps cherish this memory a
Speaker 4: little bit. Also, it would look pretty cool in my
Speaker 4: son's room.
Speaker 1: I don't have any control here. It's all in your hands.
Speaker 4: So would you.
Speaker 3: Mind meeting with my attorney and signing some papers if.
Speaker 1: We need it? Do you have a fun with that? Okay,
Speaker 1: that's fine, Okay, all right, listen me. Can I tell
Speaker 1: you something? Yeah? I love you. I've always loved you.
Speaker 1: It's nothing that in my power. If it's reasonable that
Speaker 1: I wouldn't do for you, just understand that you'd be
Speaker 1: able to come into the house and see your room. Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and we'll talk.
Speaker 4: This is number one dad.
Speaker 1: Testing one two test test test testing. All right, I
Speaker 1: am in my old neighborhood. I am about to go
Speaker 1: into my house. This is pretty wild. I haven't been
Speaker 1: here here and since I was fifteen, that's when I
Speaker 1: left to go to boarding school and I never came back.
Speaker 1: Then we'll say if he actually lets me in, I
Speaker 1: don't know. There we go, m hm hm.
Speaker 2: Does it looks the same?
Speaker 1: Looks a little? I mean it looks very similar. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean the stuff here and yeah, I'll mike you up.
Speaker 1: What I'll mike you up.
Speaker 3: I'm not going to talk financeers some money about it.
Speaker 1: No, it's fun. Just leave out whatever you don't want. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's good. Yeah, I just don't talk about anything you don't.
Speaker 2: Want to talk about, Like the length of my penis No.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't want people to know that it's a
Speaker 1: quarter of an inch.
Speaker 2: All right, quarter of an inch.
Speaker 4: So this is how a father and son from Long
Speaker 4: Island reunite over dick jokes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, hold on, hold on one second, hold on. What
Speaker 3: I want you to do is I want you to
Speaker 3: make a statement for me. Got a record that this
Speaker 3: is part of the podcast and whatever is being said
Speaker 3: here could be exaggerated for the purposes of entertainment. Entertainment,
Speaker 3: strictly for the purposes of entertainment.
Speaker 4: Before my father would let me in the house, he
Speaker 4: made me record a video to make sure he was
Speaker 4: covered from any potential legal blowback. That's my dad. He
Speaker 4: knows how to cover his ass.
Speaker 3: Okay, you introduce yourself, man, all right, look at you.
Speaker 2: You look so handsome, my boy.
Speaker 1: Okay, thanks, well, anyway, here we are. My name's Gary
Speaker 1: Veter we're doing a podcast with my father or insure
Speaker 1: yourself right there, there you go. Let's see that we
Speaker 1: look alike. And this podcast we're doing, it's for entertainment,
Speaker 1: basic ideas to depict the history of my childhood and
Speaker 1: my relationship with my father.
Speaker 2: What's that I'm number one, number one dead and the name.
Speaker 1: Of the podcast is number one Dad there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm happy to be here with my son.
Speaker 3: It's been twenty four years since we've had any real
Speaker 3: communication between us, and I want to say that wasn't
Speaker 3: because of me.
Speaker 4: It's pretty crazy to hear stuff like that from my father.
Speaker 4: He still doesn't get the role he pleaded in us
Speaker 4: not speaking all these years, that he's the reason our
Speaker 4: family is no longer a family. I wanted to tell
Speaker 4: him all this right then and there, but I also
Speaker 4: didn't want him to pull the plug on me going
Speaker 4: through the house, so I decided it was best to
Speaker 4: tread lightly.
Speaker 2: Hey.
Speaker 3: You know, whenever I had an idea, when I said
Speaker 3: I wanted to meet somebody.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I pulled it off. Do you recall that? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Do you remember the room that we met Jordan's and
Speaker 1: it was him and the coach Til Jackson was in there,
Speaker 1: assistant coach.
Speaker 3: It was like a private room where they let him
Speaker 3: just relax by himself. Yeah, but he was sitting on
Speaker 3: a fucking hard bench. It wasn't like an ice recliner.
Speaker 1: No, he was just in there. He was just like
Speaker 1: shooting the ship with.
Speaker 3: See these bikes, you know what I do with them?
Speaker 2: I fix them and I give them to local kids.
Speaker 1: It's the bikes, the bike story, the part that's fabricated
Speaker 1: and all of this.
Speaker 2: The podcasts. They of a good next to the truth. Buses
Speaker 2: here the school buses. If they stop, you can't go
Speaker 2: buy them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you have to.
Speaker 2: The time, Well, they got a camera.
Speaker 1: Okay, I know it makes sense.
Speaker 2: I got a two hundred dollars ticket.
Speaker 1: Oh really, I'll tell you.
Speaker 2: But I'm fighting it.
Speaker 3: They said, I rolled by the camera. The fucking picture
Speaker 3: shows these breake lights are on. Yeah, you can't take
Speaker 3: me and tell me I'm rolling by. Well, my brakes
Speaker 3: are on.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's good, you know.
Speaker 2: So I'm going to court over you fuck them. I
Speaker 2: fight every thing.
Speaker 1: I know two things you told me. One thing, never
Speaker 1: admit your guilt. And the other thing you told me
Speaker 1: was that if you ever see this was in connection
Speaker 1: with more so like when we would sneak into the
Speaker 1: movie theater. If you ever see, you know, a father
Speaker 1: doing something for his kid, don't call him out on it.
Speaker 1: Let him get through with it, because they're doing something
Speaker 1: for their family and maybe they don't have the means
Speaker 1: to provide exactly right.
Speaker 4: When you're raised by a con man, you grow up
Speaker 4: with some life lessons that are definitely a little different.
Speaker 4: As we walked from the front of the house to
Speaker 4: the side, I looked up and saw my old treehouse
Speaker 4: still intact, and it brought back tons of happy memories
Speaker 4: of my sisters and me going down the slide and
Speaker 4: swinging from the monkey bars. I couldn't believe he was
Speaker 4: still there, come up.
Speaker 2: Here going into the house. That he was my key
Speaker 2: let me see.
Speaker 1: Thank you for doing this. This you know means a lot.
Speaker 3: Well, Hey, I did it because when you first asked,
Speaker 3: I said I would do it, and then, uh, you know,
Speaker 3: I told you I met with my lawyer. He had
Speaker 3: some reservations about me doing this.
Speaker 2: But okay, step over here.
Speaker 1: Okay, Oh wow, that picture which one right there? Yeah?
Speaker 3: That one was taken in Pennsylvania. We were near a
Speaker 3: wood covered bridge.
Speaker 1: Was there right next to me. Is there there's another picture.
Speaker 3: There's another picture. Go climb over there, squeeze through, you
Speaker 3: can fit through.
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ.
Speaker 4: Their boxes everywhere, just like my family life growing up.
Speaker 4: The house is an absolute mess. Honestly, it looks like
Speaker 4: nothing has been grown out in twenty four years.
Speaker 2: We move those move that big blue box. So I
Speaker 2: know what you're talking about.
Speaker 1: It could see the picture.
Speaker 2: What is that picture?
Speaker 1: It's Jamie and Danny and uh this is their Sada Israel.
Speaker 2: It's Missada. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't want you to get pissed. I don't
Speaker 3: show too many pictures of you. It's not intentional. But
Speaker 3: you did write me off.
Speaker 1: So did all your other children.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well you know that was their choice, not mine.
Speaker 1: Well, you know everything, you know I you know, you're
Speaker 1: an adult. You have to realize that if if everybody
Speaker 1: or a lot of your family don't want to talk
Speaker 1: to you, maybe it's not them, maybe it's maybe it's
Speaker 1: of course it's me.
Speaker 2: Who else going to be?
Speaker 4: This conversation with my father was how all conversations my
Speaker 4: entire childhood would go. You never really got the healthy
Speaker 4: resolution you were looking for. Well, I tried to convey
Speaker 4: that he's the one respect for the disconnect in our family.
Speaker 4: He's never been able to take full accountability.
Speaker 1: You got a lot of stuff here. You ain't seen
Speaker 1: ship yet, boy, But I remember this is the gate that's.
Speaker 2: Still that was for Kobe yet. Yeah, you got chewed
Speaker 2: by Kobe.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Not only did my house look almost exactly the same
Speaker 4: the gate we used for my dog, Kobe still had
Speaker 4: his teeth marks in it. I don't know if my
Speaker 4: father kept the gate up for sentimental reasons or pure laziness.
Speaker 4: But of all the things I'd seen so far, this
Speaker 4: hit me the hardest.
Speaker 1: It's a great picture of me playing hockey.
Speaker 2: You forgot about that picture? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I don't remember it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you don't want to remember it because it has
Speaker 3: to do with me. Come on up, bubblo, What do.
Speaker 1: You call me that? B Yeah, they're not at that.
Speaker 1: Our relationship isn't isn't that? You know? I think it's uh?
Speaker 2: What is work in progress? What is bubbla mean?
Speaker 1: Blah blah? I don't know. I guess this is your
Speaker 1: since your term.
Speaker 3: It's an term of endearment when you're a little boy
Speaker 3: growing up.
Speaker 4: We walked up to my old bedroom and all my
Speaker 4: old stuff was still on the walls.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the post there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, coime, here, this is what you did.
Speaker 3: You were pissed at me, so I told you you
Speaker 3: ripped a hole in Yeah, yeah, right, that's where you were.
Speaker 2: That's where I was. You remember doing that?
Speaker 1: I do? Yeah, it's yeah. Oh wow, Okay, I give
Speaker 1: us the Sully these cards. Yeah, if you want to,
Speaker 1: it's up to you. I didn't open that up. It's
Speaker 1: probably get that. Some great holes actually have a gun.
Speaker 1: There's gum in here, that's how old it is.
Speaker 2: Thanks.
Speaker 1: I was definitely I'm going to give us. What is
Speaker 1: this picture? That's amazing?
Speaker 3: What's amazing? Did I get the voice from your mother?
Speaker 3: And I wanted to hold on to a lot of things?
Speaker 1: I mean, it's no, it's just I mean, what do you.
Speaker 2: Think I wrote? You guys off like, well.
Speaker 1: I mean, this isn't keeping things to to what to
Speaker 1: like a high you know quality. I mean a lot
Speaker 1: of it's hoarding. But the fact that you hoarded so
Speaker 1: much stuff is actually great.
Speaker 3: By the way, did you ever get the checks that
Speaker 3: I was sending you for child support? Or your mother
Speaker 3: told you she never got child support?
Speaker 2: Did she say that too?
Speaker 1: I have no idea of what if I was getting anything.
Speaker 2: Made me.
Speaker 3: Send child support payments and I sent it to how
Speaker 3: always in a check, no cash, So I can't say, well, Gary,
Speaker 3: I gave a cash. There were always checks and she
Speaker 3: had to sign for them. So you know, I'm just
Speaker 3: telling you so a lot of things you may have heard.
Speaker 3: Nobody ever came back to me for a rebuttal and say, hey,
Speaker 3: did this really happen? Do you like your pictures up there?
Speaker 3: You remember that plaque I got you?
Speaker 2: Which one right in front of you?
Speaker 1: This? Yeah, I don't remember you getting it for me,
Speaker 1: but I don't rember it in my room.
Speaker 2: I got it.
Speaker 3: I made a trade with somebody at his or you
Speaker 3: remember where I used to have your skate shopping.
Speaker 2: He was selling them favor for a favor. That day,
Speaker 2: just what happened.
Speaker 3: His phone wasn't working, so I fixed it and he said,
Speaker 3: what do you want how much?
Speaker 2: So give me that plaque.
Speaker 1: It was amazing how many times somebody's phone wouldn't work
Speaker 1: and we would be able to get some free stuff
Speaker 1: out of the deal.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Did you ever think you'd see this day?
Speaker 3: Honestly, that you'd be back in your room?
Speaker 1: Did I know I didn't.
Speaker 2: I know you said you wanted to take the Adam gravestick.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean if you don't. If you but that man.
Speaker 2: Belongs to you, of course I'll let you. And I'm
Speaker 2: not here to hold anything over your head. Hey, let
Speaker 2: me just tell you one thing right now. This is
Speaker 2: not the.
Speaker 3: Last time you're coming back to look for things.
Speaker 2: All right, okay, thank you? Just don't think a piece
Speaker 2: of gum? Can I have it? You know what it is?
Speaker 2: What is it? It's a trick. Huh, it's a trick.
Speaker 2: This is a trick.
Speaker 1: Piece of gum. You take it out.
Speaker 2: And it snaps your finger.
Speaker 1: Yeah, don't give it to uh Sullivan, I'd love it. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Is he talking?
Speaker 1: Uh? Yeah, he talks and smart kid.
Speaker 2: Good.
Speaker 1: This is nuts here.
Speaker 4: I am standing in my child's bedroom talking to my
Speaker 4: father about my son, his grandson he's never met. I
Speaker 4: went into this whole thing not really knowing how would
Speaker 4: feel talking to my dad about Sully. But in that moment,
Speaker 4: I just felt he didn't deserve to hear that much.
Speaker 2: Let me ask her something.
Speaker 3: Everything that you were told during and just before the divorce,
Speaker 3: did you believe everything you heard?
Speaker 1: I mean, you don't understand. I also lived in this environment,
Speaker 1: so I wasn't too fond of you while I was
Speaker 1: living through stuff. And you know, I mean it goes
Speaker 1: back to when I was growing up. I was put
Speaker 1: in the middle of everything that you were going through
Speaker 1: with my mom. Everything. You'd get angry and you'd be like,
Speaker 1: open up the door so the dog would run away
Speaker 1: like that the individual.
Speaker 3: Was that the reason I did that or was it
Speaker 3: because nobody wanted to walk the dog.
Speaker 1: Nobody wanted to walk the dog. The dog one I
Speaker 1: would always walk the dog. And also I am thirteen
Speaker 1: fourteen years old at the time, where it's like, if
Speaker 1: nobody wants to walk the dog, the solution isn't opening
Speaker 1: up the door. That the dog that everybody loved.
Speaker 2: Which was wrong. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then when it came down to when you guys
Speaker 1: were divorcing and the process was taking a long time,
Speaker 1: I asked you if I could have the dog, and
Speaker 1: if you remember.
Speaker 3: You said, after the divorce, yeah, reminded me.
Speaker 1: You're right, and then I never did send my dog again.
Speaker 2: Well things happened.
Speaker 4: I'm aware how much I keep bringing up my dog Kobe,
Speaker 4: but being in my old house brought all those memories back.
Speaker 1: So your question, I mean we did all this stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 1: do you feel like going to these games? Do you
Speaker 1: feel that you did it all for me? When we
Speaker 1: would go to Madison Square Garden? Was that for me
Speaker 1: or for you?
Speaker 2: It was? Everything was for you. I wanted you to
Speaker 2: have some memories.
Speaker 4: You know, asking my father did he do this for me?
Speaker 4: Or was it for him? Isn't exactly right because after
Speaker 4: everything I've learned, I realized it's not an either or situation.
Speaker 4: All those times we stuck into the garden, I think
Speaker 4: he did it for me and for him.
Speaker 1: Can I take this only if you want me to
Speaker 1: have it?
Speaker 3: Well, it's a stick, but more than you having the
Speaker 3: stick and me giving it to you is a gift
Speaker 3: I want you as my son.
Speaker 1: Well, time will tell I'm not I'm not guaranteeing anything,
Speaker 1: but I'm not going to cut you off cold turkey
Speaker 1: or anything like that if that's what you're worried about.
Speaker 2: And what if your sisters get on your case for this?
Speaker 1: And I mean it doesn't have anything to do with them.
Speaker 1: You know, you say so, but you know, like you
Speaker 1: giving me a stick is like that's an appreciation because
Speaker 1: I went in with the idea that to me a
Speaker 1: lot of our relationship and what I deemed it was
Speaker 1: you keeping Kobe over my head, and I felt that's
Speaker 1: what you were going to be doing with the hockey stick,
Speaker 1: even though the hockey stick never meant anything close to
Speaker 1: what Kobe meant to me. It was just symbolic, and
Speaker 1: Grandma and Grandpa meant a lot more to me than
Speaker 1: everything else.
Speaker 3: And I don't know if you wanted to hurt them
Speaker 3: because of me, but if you did, it was the
Speaker 3: wrong thing to do, and it was a big mistake.
Speaker 2: And you know, maybe not now later you'll understand that.
Speaker 1: Well, my intention was never to hurt them. My intention
Speaker 1: was I just wasn't in any state of mind to
Speaker 1: see you. And everything that happened at May is one thing,
Speaker 1: but them is another thing. Yeah, Well tell that, you know,
Speaker 1: to you know, a kid who's going through this as
Speaker 1: a teenager, there's a lot of hate in their heart
Speaker 1: when you know, Kobe is the thing that I love
Speaker 1: more than anything. When I was growing up in this house,
Speaker 1: there is there's times that there was laughter, but there's
Speaker 1: also times where the cops would be called, not because
Speaker 1: somebody was getting beaten, but the verbal arguments, whether.
Speaker 2: You called or she called, she didn't give a fuck.
Speaker 2: She wanted to put me in jail.
Speaker 3: When I saw what I was dealing with at that point, well,
Speaker 3: gloves were off.
Speaker 2: I was going to do everything I can to hurt it.
Speaker 1: Why are you telling me this that none of this matters.
Speaker 3: Because you're telling me about why everybody hates me.
Speaker 1: I'm not telling you why I bade. I'm telling you
Speaker 1: about why I wasn't talking to you for so long
Speaker 1: and all right relationship because.
Speaker 2: You were told shit.
Speaker 3: That's why a lot of shit that you were told
Speaker 3: was shit.
Speaker 1: You're saying that I wasso ship, but I'm saying about
Speaker 1: how you treated me. That's what way I treated you.
Speaker 1: Was not.
Speaker 2: There to intentionally hurt you. Never. I mean, when you
Speaker 2: you know, if you think if you think that.
Speaker 1: He did the stuff about the dog, and okay, I did.
Speaker 3: This stuff about the dog, but unfortunately Kobe's not here.
Speaker 2: I had him to he was seventeen years old. Okay,
Speaker 2: he had a good life. He fucking slept with me
Speaker 2: every night, yeah, on the bed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I would have loved to have had my dog.
Speaker 4: This is the most honest conversation I've ever had with
Speaker 4: my father. Since the start of this whole journey, I'd
Speaker 4: always envision getting to ask him the same questions I'd
Speaker 4: asked everyone else.
Speaker 1: Was he always like this?
Speaker 4: What drove him to live his life this way? Well,
Speaker 4: here I am, and now's my chance. But would he
Speaker 4: be willing to open up? This is a guy whose
Speaker 4: life is built on lies, and I was finally going
Speaker 4: to ask him to tell the truth. On the next
Speaker 4: episode of Number One Dad.
Speaker 2: All about delusion like a magician.
Speaker 3: I was a magician in the furniture business.
Speaker 1: What was the downfall of Designers Gallery?
Speaker 2: New York State Attorney General?
Speaker 3: I said, if I don't call you back for bullshit
Speaker 3: in five minutes down nine one wanted Tom to come.
Speaker 2: To the thinkers.
Speaker 3: I'm getting locked in a freezer somewhere.
Speaker 1: So why not just pay your bill?
Speaker 3: Because I was a greedy fuck and I wanted the
Speaker 3: money and I wanted it now.
Speaker 4: Number One Dad is a production of Radio Point, Big
Speaker 4: Money Players Network and iHeart Podcasts, created and hosted by
Speaker 4: Gary Veeter.
Speaker 1: Executive producers are.
Speaker 4: Gary Veeter, Adam Lowett, Alex Bach, Daniel Powell, Houston Snyder,
Speaker 4: Kenneth Slotnik, and Brian Stern, written by Gary Veeter and
Speaker 4: Adam Lowett, Produced by Bernie Kaminski. Co producer is Taylor Kowalski,
Speaker 4: Edited and mixed by Ian Sortino at Little Bear Audio.
Speaker 4: Recording Engineer Is kat Iosa. Original music by Andrew Gross.
Speaker 4: Special thanks to Charlotte DeAnda. Jonathan karsh Is creative consultant.
Speaker 4: Executive producers for Big Money Players Network and iHeart Podcasts
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