WEBVTT - The House 0:00:00.320 --> 0:00:01.920 Previously on number one. 0:00:02.000 --> 0:00:04.000 Dad, have you seen the house lightly? 0:00:04.200 --> 0:00:05.600 You still have the house? Yeah? 0:00:05.800 --> 0:00:07.640 Yeah, I don't plan on getting rid of it. 0:00:07.960 --> 0:00:11.080 So yeah, tomorrow's the day I am going to meet 0:00:11.080 --> 0:00:13.280 my dad after all this time. What do you think 0:00:13.320 --> 0:00:16.440 about that? I honestly never thought that I would ever 0:00:16.920 --> 0:00:20.720 witness this. The recorder is in my bag with the mic. 0:00:20.760 --> 0:00:22.880 Thinking out of my bag, I have that which is 0:00:23.000 --> 0:00:25.840 wednsing so well. I love how proud you are a 0:00:25.840 --> 0:00:30.600 little late. I'm sorry, just pay you said when the 0:00:30.600 --> 0:00:33.080 horse is over. That's why I could get Kobe back. 0:00:34.240 --> 0:00:35.239 I never got to see my dog. 0:00:35.320 --> 0:00:38.319 Aye, I'm glad you're telling me now, which I can 0:00:38.320 --> 0:00:41.959 tell you. I'm sorry. He would have probably have been 0:00:41.960 --> 0:00:43.440 better off with you than with me. 0:00:44.159 --> 0:00:45.559 All right, Bet, it's a great dog. 0:00:46.120 --> 0:00:49.159 I'm not pushing you into anything, but I'll see you again. 0:00:49.560 --> 0:00:50.640 I want to see you again. 0:00:51.040 --> 0:01:00.680 I think you know Dave my day. I'm here to 0:01:00.720 --> 0:01:03.680 talk about my life and you're a voice in that. 0:01:04.160 --> 0:01:04.399 Look. 0:01:04.720 --> 0:01:05.680 I got to be honest with you. 0:01:05.760 --> 0:01:08.120 It feels like I'm setting myself up for a fall. 0:01:08.520 --> 0:01:11.479 After I secretly recorded the first meeting with my father 0:01:11.680 --> 0:01:14.680 at the Second Avenue Deli, I ended up telling him 0:01:14.760 --> 0:01:18.000 all about the podcast, but he had a ton of concerns. 0:01:18.319 --> 0:01:21.840 I'm looking to show that you're an interesting person. You're 0:01:21.880 --> 0:01:23.199 a person that I haven't talked to you in twenty 0:01:23.200 --> 0:01:26.720 four years. But what's the reason for that, you know, 0:01:27.080 --> 0:01:29.880 and like what is the reason for that? Can you 0:01:29.920 --> 0:01:31.360 show it in something like that? 0:01:31.840 --> 0:01:32.080 Well? 0:01:32.080 --> 0:01:35.480 Will that tell somebody? Well, that's what'll That's what I 0:01:35.480 --> 0:01:37.200 want to talk to you about. You know, it's like 0:01:37.280 --> 0:01:40.160 a lot of history. So it's like you know, piecing 0:01:40.240 --> 0:01:45.160 together things you know we've gone through. Right, Okay, let 0:01:45.200 --> 0:01:48.320 me ask you something. Yeah, do you plan on using 0:01:48.320 --> 0:01:51.720 this with anybody else? What do you mean side of 0:01:52.120 --> 0:01:55.680 your podcast? What do you mean using it with anybody else? 0:01:55.720 --> 0:01:58.960 By that, like, we'll you using it in any way 0:02:00.280 --> 0:02:05.680 to hurt me or like like problems, legal problems or anything. No, 0:02:05.800 --> 0:02:09.240 it's to make a podcast. That's what this is for. 0:02:09.600 --> 0:02:12.200 The next step is to go to the house to 0:02:12.240 --> 0:02:13.840 just you know, walk around. 0:02:14.080 --> 0:02:16.840 Okay, but no video, no cameras, no pictures. 0:02:17.080 --> 0:02:20.280 Yeah I wouldn't be doing that, okay, but yeah, I'm. 0:02:20.160 --> 0:02:22.120 Just telling you there's no leeway there. 0:02:22.400 --> 0:02:24.160 So you let me search you if I want to. 0:02:24.960 --> 0:02:28.560 For a camera for anything. 0:02:28.880 --> 0:02:32.040 Make sure you still get your balls. Yeah. No, yeah. 0:02:32.320 --> 0:02:33.880 Is there something you want to take away with you 0:02:33.919 --> 0:02:37.880 when you come? Is that part of your plan. There's 0:02:37.880 --> 0:02:38.720 no part of my plan. 0:02:38.800 --> 0:02:40.919 But I mean, if you did have the Adam gravestick, 0:02:40.960 --> 0:02:44.320 I would take that back. In nineteen ninety four, the 0:02:44.360 --> 0:02:46.920 New York Rangers were playing the Quebec Nordis and this 0:02:46.960 --> 0:02:49.080 would be the first time my dad and I ever 0:02:49.160 --> 0:02:51.919 ran our SI for Kids scam for a Rangers game. 0:02:52.160 --> 0:02:53.880 So the Rangers would go on to win, and my 0:02:54.000 --> 0:02:56.160 dad and I go into locker room so I can 0:02:56.240 --> 0:02:58.880 interview the players. They had a great team that would 0:02:58.880 --> 0:03:00.920 go on to win the Stanley Cup that year, and 0:03:00.960 --> 0:03:04.239 one of their star players was Adam Graves. Graves ended 0:03:04.320 --> 0:03:06.960 up giving me his game stick and even signed it. 0:03:07.240 --> 0:03:10.440 I was beside myself. What also made this night so 0:03:10.560 --> 0:03:13.560 memorable was there was a terrible snowstorm in New York, 0:03:13.720 --> 0:03:15.880 so my dad and I were forced to stay in 0:03:15.919 --> 0:03:18.960 the city. I still have the image ingrained my head 0:03:19.120 --> 0:03:21.640 of him fast talking the employee at the front desk 0:03:21.680 --> 0:03:24.760 of the hotel Pennsylvania to get the lowest possible rate. 0:03:25.280 --> 0:03:28.480 Of course, he succeeded. I remember lying in bed did 0:03:28.560 --> 0:03:31.440 Adam Graves stick next to me, thinking what a cool night? 0:03:32.080 --> 0:03:34.239 And I guess the stick helps cherish this memory a 0:03:34.320 --> 0:03:37.480 little bit. Also, it would look pretty cool in my 0:03:37.560 --> 0:03:38.160 son's room. 0:03:38.440 --> 0:03:41.560 I don't have any control here. It's all in your hands. 0:03:41.920 --> 0:03:43.240 So would you. 0:03:43.320 --> 0:03:47.600 Mind meeting with my attorney and signing some papers if. 0:03:47.440 --> 0:03:50.600 We need it? Do you have a fun with that? Okay, 0:03:50.720 --> 0:03:55.840 that's fine, Okay, all right, listen me. Can I tell 0:03:55.840 --> 0:03:59.320 you something? Yeah? I love you. I've always loved you. 0:04:00.040 --> 0:04:05.560 It's nothing that in my power. If it's reasonable that 0:04:05.560 --> 0:04:08.840 I wouldn't do for you, just understand that you'd be 0:04:08.920 --> 0:04:16.080 able to come into the house and see your room. Okay, Yeah, 0:04:16.120 --> 0:04:18.360 and we'll talk. 0:04:20.720 --> 0:04:22.600 This is number one dad. 0:04:28.440 --> 0:04:33.479 Testing one two test test test testing. All right, I 0:04:33.560 --> 0:04:38.120 am in my old neighborhood. I am about to go 0:04:38.240 --> 0:04:43.640 into my house. This is pretty wild. I haven't been 0:04:43.680 --> 0:04:47.320 here here and since I was fifteen, that's when I 0:04:47.400 --> 0:04:51.839 left to go to boarding school and I never came back. 0:04:53.240 --> 0:04:55.280 Then we'll say if he actually lets me in, I 0:04:55.320 --> 0:05:11.640 don't know. There we go, m hm hm. 0:05:20.640 --> 0:05:21.520 Does it looks the same? 0:05:23.960 --> 0:05:26.840 Looks a little? I mean it looks very similar. Yeah, 0:05:27.279 --> 0:05:33.640 I mean the stuff here and yeah, I'll mike you up. 0:05:34.320 --> 0:05:35.480 What I'll mike you up. 0:05:37.400 --> 0:05:39.560 I'm not going to talk financeers some money about it. 0:05:39.680 --> 0:05:45.040 No, it's fun. Just leave out whatever you don't want. Okay, 0:05:46.480 --> 0:05:49.919 that's good. Yeah, I just don't talk about anything you don't. 0:05:49.720 --> 0:05:54.080 Want to talk about, Like the length of my penis No. 0:05:54.160 --> 0:05:55.840 Yeah, you don't want people to know that it's a 0:05:55.920 --> 0:05:56.880 quarter of an inch. 0:05:57.560 --> 0:05:59.000 All right, quarter of an inch. 0:05:59.279 --> 0:06:01.440 So this is how a father and son from Long 0:06:01.480 --> 0:06:04.000 Island reunite over dick jokes. 0:06:04.200 --> 0:06:06.760 Yeah, hold on, hold on one second, hold on. What 0:06:06.839 --> 0:06:07.840 I want you to do is I want you to 0:06:07.839 --> 0:06:12.200 make a statement for me. Got a record that this 0:06:12.360 --> 0:06:18.240 is part of the podcast and whatever is being said 0:06:18.279 --> 0:06:24.880 here could be exaggerated for the purposes of entertainment. Entertainment, 0:06:25.080 --> 0:06:26.919 strictly for the purposes of entertainment. 0:06:27.400 --> 0:06:29.680 Before my father would let me in the house, he 0:06:29.760 --> 0:06:32.080 made me record a video to make sure he was 0:06:32.160 --> 0:06:36.400 covered from any potential legal blowback. That's my dad. He 0:06:36.560 --> 0:06:38.280 knows how to cover his ass. 0:06:38.880 --> 0:06:41.440 Okay, you introduce yourself, man, all right, look at you. 0:06:41.440 --> 0:06:42.680 You look so handsome, my boy. 0:06:43.200 --> 0:06:47.360 Okay, thanks, well, anyway, here we are. My name's Gary 0:06:47.440 --> 0:06:51.040 Veter we're doing a podcast with my father or insure 0:06:51.040 --> 0:06:54.200 yourself right there, there you go. Let's see that we 0:06:54.240 --> 0:06:59.800 look alike. And this podcast we're doing, it's for entertainment, 0:07:00.839 --> 0:07:06.120 basic ideas to depict the history of my childhood and 0:07:06.360 --> 0:07:09.159 my relationship with my father. 0:07:09.840 --> 0:07:12.760 What's that I'm number one, number one dead and the name. 0:07:12.600 --> 0:07:14.920 Of the podcast is number one Dad there. 0:07:15.000 --> 0:07:18.080 Yeah, I'm happy to be here with my son. 0:07:18.680 --> 0:07:23.840 It's been twenty four years since we've had any real 0:07:23.880 --> 0:07:27.800 communication between us, and I want to say that wasn't 0:07:27.840 --> 0:07:28.520 because of me. 0:07:29.120 --> 0:07:31.720 It's pretty crazy to hear stuff like that from my father. 0:07:32.160 --> 0:07:34.120 He still doesn't get the role he pleaded in us 0:07:34.120 --> 0:07:37.440 not speaking all these years, that he's the reason our 0:07:37.520 --> 0:07:41.000 family is no longer a family. I wanted to tell 0:07:41.040 --> 0:07:43.640 him all this right then and there, but I also 0:07:43.760 --> 0:07:45.640 didn't want him to pull the plug on me going 0:07:45.680 --> 0:07:48.360 through the house, so I decided it was best to 0:07:48.400 --> 0:07:49.080 tread lightly. 0:07:49.360 --> 0:07:49.560 Hey. 0:07:49.640 --> 0:07:53.800 You know, whenever I had an idea, when I said 0:07:53.800 --> 0:07:55.440 I wanted to meet somebody. 0:07:55.240 --> 0:07:59.720 Yeah, I pulled it off. Do you recall that? Yeah? 0:08:00.080 --> 0:08:01.920 Do you remember the room that we met Jordan's and 0:08:01.960 --> 0:08:04.760 it was him and the coach Til Jackson was in there, 0:08:05.400 --> 0:08:06.040 assistant coach. 0:08:06.080 --> 0:08:08.720 It was like a private room where they let him 0:08:08.760 --> 0:08:10.840 just relax by himself. Yeah, but he was sitting on 0:08:10.840 --> 0:08:13.000 a fucking hard bench. It wasn't like an ice recliner. 0:08:13.200 --> 0:08:14.800 No, he was just in there. He was just like 0:08:14.920 --> 0:08:15.760 shooting the ship with. 0:08:15.720 --> 0:08:18.280 See these bikes, you know what I do with them? 0:08:18.600 --> 0:08:21.280 I fix them and I give them to local kids. 0:08:21.840 --> 0:08:25.320 It's the bikes, the bike story, the part that's fabricated 0:08:25.360 --> 0:08:25.840 and all of this. 0:08:26.120 --> 0:08:31.440 The podcasts. They of a good next to the truth. Buses 0:08:31.480 --> 0:08:34.600 here the school buses. If they stop, you can't go 0:08:34.640 --> 0:08:35.040 buy them. 0:08:35.120 --> 0:08:35.719 Yeah, you have to. 0:08:35.800 --> 0:08:37.720 The time, Well, they got a camera. 0:08:37.920 --> 0:08:39.480 Okay, I know it makes sense. 0:08:39.520 --> 0:08:40.839 I got a two hundred dollars ticket. 0:08:40.880 --> 0:08:41.720 Oh really, I'll tell you. 0:08:41.800 --> 0:08:42.520 But I'm fighting it. 0:08:42.600 --> 0:08:45.240 They said, I rolled by the camera. The fucking picture 0:08:45.280 --> 0:08:48.760 shows these breake lights are on. Yeah, you can't take 0:08:48.920 --> 0:08:51.120 me and tell me I'm rolling by. Well, my brakes 0:08:51.120 --> 0:08:51.360 are on. 0:08:51.600 --> 0:08:53.360 Yeah that's good, you know. 0:08:54.600 --> 0:08:59.480 So I'm going to court over you fuck them. I 0:08:59.520 --> 0:09:00.240 fight every thing. 0:09:00.640 --> 0:09:04.640 I know two things you told me. One thing, never 0:09:04.720 --> 0:09:07.319 admit your guilt. And the other thing you told me 0:09:08.559 --> 0:09:12.120 was that if you ever see this was in connection 0:09:12.240 --> 0:09:14.080 with more so like when we would sneak into the 0:09:14.120 --> 0:09:18.120 movie theater. If you ever see, you know, a father 0:09:18.520 --> 0:09:21.920 doing something for his kid, don't call him out on it. 0:09:22.000 --> 0:09:24.600 Let him get through with it, because they're doing something 0:09:24.640 --> 0:09:27.680 for their family and maybe they don't have the means 0:09:27.720 --> 0:09:29.720 to provide exactly right. 0:09:29.800 --> 0:09:32.000 When you're raised by a con man, you grow up 0:09:32.040 --> 0:09:34.560 with some life lessons that are definitely a little different. 0:09:35.040 --> 0:09:36.720 As we walked from the front of the house to 0:09:36.760 --> 0:09:39.400 the side, I looked up and saw my old treehouse 0:09:39.760 --> 0:09:42.880 still intact, and it brought back tons of happy memories 0:09:42.920 --> 0:09:45.200 of my sisters and me going down the slide and 0:09:45.240 --> 0:09:48.000 swinging from the monkey bars. I couldn't believe he was 0:09:48.040 --> 0:09:55.000 still there, come up. 0:09:54.960 --> 0:09:59.280 Here going into the house. That he was my key 0:10:03.080 --> 0:10:03.520 let me see. 0:10:03.960 --> 0:10:06.240 Thank you for doing this. This you know means a lot. 0:10:06.920 --> 0:10:10.280 Well, Hey, I did it because when you first asked, 0:10:10.280 --> 0:10:13.120 I said I would do it, and then, uh, you know, 0:10:13.160 --> 0:10:15.559 I told you I met with my lawyer. He had 0:10:15.600 --> 0:10:20.000 some reservations about me doing this. 0:10:21.080 --> 0:10:26.120 But okay, step over here. 0:10:29.040 --> 0:10:36.960 Okay, Oh wow, that picture which one right there? Yeah? 0:10:37.120 --> 0:10:39.520 That one was taken in Pennsylvania. We were near a 0:10:39.520 --> 0:10:40.520 wood covered bridge. 0:10:41.320 --> 0:10:43.920 Was there right next to me. Is there there's another picture. 0:10:43.920 --> 0:10:46.960 There's another picture. Go climb over there, squeeze through, you 0:10:47.000 --> 0:10:47.680 can fit through. 0:10:50.000 --> 0:10:50.720 Jesus Christ. 0:10:51.640 --> 0:10:55.400 Their boxes everywhere, just like my family life growing up. 0:10:55.640 --> 0:10:59.320 The house is an absolute mess. Honestly, it looks like 0:10:59.400 --> 0:11:02.319 nothing has been grown out in twenty four years. 0:11:02.880 --> 0:11:05.280 We move those move that big blue box. So I 0:11:05.280 --> 0:11:06.160 know what you're talking about. 0:11:06.240 --> 0:11:07.120 It could see the picture. 0:11:07.200 --> 0:11:08.040 What is that picture? 0:11:08.160 --> 0:11:12.960 It's Jamie and Danny and uh this is their Sada Israel. 0:11:13.200 --> 0:11:14.440 It's Missada. Yeah. 0:11:14.559 --> 0:11:15.959 Yeah, I don't want you to get pissed. I don't 0:11:15.960 --> 0:11:19.880 show too many pictures of you. It's not intentional. But 0:11:20.040 --> 0:11:22.520 you did write me off. 0:11:23.920 --> 0:11:25.680 So did all your other children. 0:11:27.640 --> 0:11:31.959 Yeah, well you know that was their choice, not mine. 0:11:33.280 --> 0:11:37.679 Well, you know everything, you know I you know, you're 0:11:37.720 --> 0:11:41.800 an adult. You have to realize that if if everybody 0:11:42.200 --> 0:11:43.880 or a lot of your family don't want to talk 0:11:43.920 --> 0:11:47.079 to you, maybe it's not them, maybe it's maybe it's 0:11:47.200 --> 0:11:47.840 of course it's me. 0:11:47.960 --> 0:11:48.760 Who else going to be? 0:11:49.000 --> 0:11:52.280 This conversation with my father was how all conversations my 0:11:52.480 --> 0:11:55.600 entire childhood would go. You never really got the healthy 0:11:55.640 --> 0:11:58.800 resolution you were looking for. Well, I tried to convey 0:11:58.920 --> 0:12:02.120 that he's the one respect for the disconnect in our family. 0:12:02.559 --> 0:12:05.160 He's never been able to take full accountability. 0:12:05.760 --> 0:12:08.480 You got a lot of stuff here. You ain't seen 0:12:08.480 --> 0:12:11.840 ship yet, boy, But I remember this is the gate that's. 0:12:11.720 --> 0:12:15.960 Still that was for Kobe yet. Yeah, you got chewed 0:12:16.000 --> 0:12:16.680 by Kobe. 0:12:17.280 --> 0:12:17.920 Yeah. 0:12:18.120 --> 0:12:20.800 Not only did my house look almost exactly the same 0:12:21.160 --> 0:12:23.760 the gate we used for my dog, Kobe still had 0:12:23.760 --> 0:12:26.040 his teeth marks in it. I don't know if my 0:12:26.080 --> 0:12:30.200 father kept the gate up for sentimental reasons or pure laziness. 0:12:30.559 --> 0:12:33.240 But of all the things I'd seen so far, this 0:12:33.320 --> 0:12:34.319 hit me the hardest. 0:12:34.640 --> 0:12:36.280 It's a great picture of me playing hockey. 0:12:36.760 --> 0:12:38.199 You forgot about that picture? Yeah? 0:12:38.200 --> 0:12:38.959 I don't remember it. 0:12:39.720 --> 0:12:41.880 Yeah, you don't want to remember it because it has 0:12:41.920 --> 0:12:46.959 to do with me. Come on up, bubblo, What do. 0:12:46.920 --> 0:12:50.960 You call me that? B Yeah, they're not at that. 0:12:51.160 --> 0:12:54.439 Our relationship isn't isn't that? You know? I think it's uh? 0:12:54.600 --> 0:12:57.720 What is work in progress? What is bubbla mean? 0:12:58.320 --> 0:13:00.280 Blah blah? I don't know. I guess this is your 0:13:00.480 --> 0:13:01.960 since your term. 0:13:02.400 --> 0:13:06.720 It's an term of endearment when you're a little boy 0:13:06.720 --> 0:13:07.280 growing up. 0:13:08.240 --> 0:13:10.760 We walked up to my old bedroom and all my 0:13:10.840 --> 0:13:13.520 old stuff was still on the walls. 0:13:15.160 --> 0:13:16.360 Oh yeah, the post there. 0:13:16.640 --> 0:13:18.480 Yeah, coime, here, this is what you did. 0:13:18.840 --> 0:13:20.920 You were pissed at me, so I told you you 0:13:21.000 --> 0:13:24.439 ripped a hole in Yeah, yeah, right, that's where you were. 0:13:24.520 --> 0:13:26.160 That's where I was. You remember doing that? 0:13:26.400 --> 0:13:31.400 I do? Yeah, it's yeah. Oh wow, Okay, I give 0:13:31.480 --> 0:13:36.120 us the Sully these cards. Yeah, if you want to, 0:13:37.200 --> 0:13:41.760 it's up to you. I didn't open that up. It's 0:13:41.800 --> 0:13:46.120 probably get that. Some great holes actually have a gun. 0:13:46.280 --> 0:13:48.640 There's gum in here, that's how old it is. 0:13:49.280 --> 0:13:49.559 Thanks. 0:13:49.600 --> 0:13:52.560 I was definitely I'm going to give us. What is 0:13:52.559 --> 0:13:55.560 this picture? That's amazing? 0:13:56.160 --> 0:13:58.720 What's amazing? Did I get the voice from your mother? 0:13:59.080 --> 0:14:00.839 And I wanted to hold on to a lot of things? 0:14:02.320 --> 0:14:04.600 I mean, it's no, it's just I mean, what do you. 0:14:04.480 --> 0:14:08.080 Think I wrote? You guys off like, well. 0:14:08.000 --> 0:14:12.080 I mean, this isn't keeping things to to what to 0:14:12.320 --> 0:14:15.000 like a high you know quality. I mean a lot 0:14:15.040 --> 0:14:18.360 of it's hoarding. But the fact that you hoarded so 0:14:18.760 --> 0:14:20.240 much stuff is actually great. 0:14:20.960 --> 0:14:24.080 By the way, did you ever get the checks that 0:14:24.120 --> 0:14:26.000 I was sending you for child support? Or your mother 0:14:26.000 --> 0:14:27.520 told you she never got child support? 0:14:27.960 --> 0:14:28.840 Did she say that too? 0:14:29.920 --> 0:14:32.600 I have no idea of what if I was getting anything. 0:14:34.680 --> 0:14:35.120 Made me. 0:14:36.640 --> 0:14:39.400 Send child support payments and I sent it to how 0:14:39.480 --> 0:14:42.320 always in a check, no cash, So I can't say, well, Gary, 0:14:42.360 --> 0:14:45.600 I gave a cash. There were always checks and she 0:14:45.680 --> 0:14:52.000 had to sign for them. So you know, I'm just 0:14:52.040 --> 0:14:55.160 telling you so a lot of things you may have heard. 0:14:55.760 --> 0:14:58.400 Nobody ever came back to me for a rebuttal and say, hey, 0:14:58.960 --> 0:15:01.120 did this really happen? Do you like your pictures up there? 0:15:01.200 --> 0:15:02.600 You remember that plaque I got you? 0:15:03.080 --> 0:15:04.600 Which one right in front of you? 0:15:04.720 --> 0:15:07.800 This? Yeah, I don't remember you getting it for me, 0:15:07.880 --> 0:15:09.840 but I don't rember it in my room. 0:15:10.600 --> 0:15:11.040 I got it. 0:15:11.080 --> 0:15:13.800 I made a trade with somebody at his or you 0:15:13.840 --> 0:15:15.560 remember where I used to have your skate shopping. 0:15:16.760 --> 0:15:22.120 He was selling them favor for a favor. That day, 0:15:22.320 --> 0:15:22.840 just what happened. 0:15:22.880 --> 0:15:27.680 His phone wasn't working, so I fixed it and he said, 0:15:27.680 --> 0:15:28.560 what do you want how much? 0:15:28.760 --> 0:15:29.760 So give me that plaque. 0:15:29.840 --> 0:15:33.200 It was amazing how many times somebody's phone wouldn't work 0:15:34.200 --> 0:15:36.800 and we would be able to get some free stuff 0:15:36.840 --> 0:15:37.520 out of the deal. 0:15:38.080 --> 0:15:41.000 Yeah. Did you ever think you'd see this day? 0:15:41.440 --> 0:15:49.480 Honestly, that you'd be back in your room? 0:15:49.520 --> 0:15:51.440 Did I know I didn't. 0:15:53.240 --> 0:15:56.880 I know you said you wanted to take the Adam gravestick. 0:15:59.720 --> 0:16:02.920 Yeah, I mean if you don't. If you but that man. 0:16:02.920 --> 0:16:07.440 Belongs to you, of course I'll let you. And I'm 0:16:07.480 --> 0:16:10.760 not here to hold anything over your head. Hey, let 0:16:10.840 --> 0:16:13.080 me just tell you one thing right now. This is 0:16:13.160 --> 0:16:13.400 not the. 0:16:13.440 --> 0:16:15.280 Last time you're coming back to look for things. 0:16:15.880 --> 0:16:19.960 All right, okay, thank you? Just don't think a piece 0:16:20.000 --> 0:16:22.720 of gum? Can I have it? You know what it is? 0:16:23.200 --> 0:16:26.320 What is it? It's a trick. Huh, it's a trick. 0:16:26.680 --> 0:16:27.240 This is a trick. 0:16:27.280 --> 0:16:29.080 Piece of gum. You take it out. 0:16:31.240 --> 0:16:32.280 And it snaps your finger. 0:16:32.640 --> 0:16:41.400 Yeah, don't give it to uh Sullivan, I'd love it. Yeah. 0:16:41.520 --> 0:16:42.160 Is he talking? 0:16:42.960 --> 0:16:46.840 Uh? Yeah, he talks and smart kid. 0:16:47.640 --> 0:16:47.960 Good. 0:16:49.480 --> 0:16:50.680 This is nuts here. 0:16:50.720 --> 0:16:53.600 I am standing in my child's bedroom talking to my 0:16:53.680 --> 0:16:57.960 father about my son, his grandson he's never met. I 0:16:58.000 --> 0:17:01.000 went into this whole thing not really knowing how would 0:17:01.040 --> 0:17:04.439 feel talking to my dad about Sully. But in that moment, 0:17:05.080 --> 0:17:07.120 I just felt he didn't deserve to hear that much. 0:17:18.680 --> 0:17:19.720 Let me ask her something. 0:17:20.160 --> 0:17:24.680 Everything that you were told during and just before the divorce, 0:17:25.080 --> 0:17:26.480 did you believe everything you heard? 0:17:27.600 --> 0:17:32.080 I mean, you don't understand. I also lived in this environment, 0:17:33.080 --> 0:17:36.560 so I wasn't too fond of you while I was 0:17:37.080 --> 0:17:40.520 living through stuff. And you know, I mean it goes 0:17:40.600 --> 0:17:47.440 back to when I was growing up. I was put 0:17:47.520 --> 0:17:50.520 in the middle of everything that you were going through 0:17:50.560 --> 0:17:55.280 with my mom. Everything. You'd get angry and you'd be like, 0:17:55.840 --> 0:17:57.760 open up the door so the dog would run away 0:17:58.119 --> 0:17:59.960 like that the individual. 0:18:00.119 --> 0:18:02.280 Was that the reason I did that or was it 0:18:02.320 --> 0:18:04.080 because nobody wanted to walk the dog. 0:18:04.920 --> 0:18:07.520 Nobody wanted to walk the dog. The dog one I 0:18:07.520 --> 0:18:11.560 would always walk the dog. And also I am thirteen 0:18:11.680 --> 0:18:15.480 fourteen years old at the time, where it's like, if 0:18:15.600 --> 0:18:18.639 nobody wants to walk the dog, the solution isn't opening 0:18:18.680 --> 0:18:22.240 up the door. That the dog that everybody loved. 0:18:22.040 --> 0:18:23.880 Which was wrong. Yeah. 0:18:24.480 --> 0:18:27.159 And then when it came down to when you guys 0:18:27.240 --> 0:18:31.399 were divorcing and the process was taking a long time, 0:18:31.640 --> 0:18:33.720 I asked you if I could have the dog, and 0:18:33.760 --> 0:18:34.920 if you remember. 0:18:34.920 --> 0:18:38.040 You said, after the divorce, yeah, reminded me. 0:18:38.040 --> 0:18:40.520 You're right, and then I never did send my dog again. 0:18:41.119 --> 0:18:42.480 Well things happened. 0:18:42.920 --> 0:18:45.800 I'm aware how much I keep bringing up my dog Kobe, 0:18:46.080 --> 0:18:49.240 but being in my old house brought all those memories back. 0:18:49.920 --> 0:18:52.960 So your question, I mean we did all this stuff. Yeah, 0:18:53.040 --> 0:18:55.679 do you feel like going to these games? Do you 0:18:55.680 --> 0:19:00.560 feel that you did it all for me? When we 0:19:00.560 --> 0:19:03.520 would go to Madison Square Garden? Was that for me 0:19:04.280 --> 0:19:05.119 or for you? 0:19:05.400 --> 0:19:09.560 It was? Everything was for you. I wanted you to 0:19:09.600 --> 0:19:11.000 have some memories. 0:19:11.480 --> 0:19:14.119 You know, asking my father did he do this for me? 0:19:14.480 --> 0:19:17.600 Or was it for him? Isn't exactly right because after 0:19:17.800 --> 0:19:21.520 everything I've learned, I realized it's not an either or situation. 0:19:22.400 --> 0:19:24.760 All those times we stuck into the garden, I think 0:19:24.760 --> 0:19:26.840 he did it for me and for him. 0:19:27.119 --> 0:19:29.639 Can I take this only if you want me to 0:19:29.720 --> 0:19:30.120 have it? 0:19:30.680 --> 0:19:34.399 Well, it's a stick, but more than you having the 0:19:34.520 --> 0:19:36.840 stick and me giving it to you is a gift 0:19:36.920 --> 0:19:39.080 I want you as my son. 0:19:40.280 --> 0:19:43.040 Well, time will tell I'm not I'm not guaranteeing anything, 0:19:43.040 --> 0:19:45.280 but I'm not going to cut you off cold turkey 0:19:45.359 --> 0:19:48.119 or anything like that if that's what you're worried about. 0:19:48.440 --> 0:19:53.080 And what if your sisters get on your case for this? 0:19:54.160 --> 0:19:58.080 And I mean it doesn't have anything to do with them. 0:19:58.160 --> 0:20:04.520 You know, you say so, but you know, like you 0:20:04.680 --> 0:20:07.480 giving me a stick is like that's an appreciation because 0:20:07.480 --> 0:20:11.159 I went in with the idea that to me a 0:20:11.200 --> 0:20:15.639 lot of our relationship and what I deemed it was 0:20:16.200 --> 0:20:22.840 you keeping Kobe over my head, and I felt that's 0:20:22.840 --> 0:20:25.080 what you were going to be doing with the hockey stick, 0:20:25.720 --> 0:20:29.199 even though the hockey stick never meant anything close to 0:20:29.240 --> 0:20:32.240 what Kobe meant to me. It was just symbolic, and 0:20:32.359 --> 0:20:36.160 Grandma and Grandpa meant a lot more to me than 0:20:36.359 --> 0:20:37.119 everything else. 0:20:38.160 --> 0:20:41.520 And I don't know if you wanted to hurt them 0:20:41.520 --> 0:20:45.439 because of me, but if you did, it was the 0:20:45.520 --> 0:20:48.080 wrong thing to do, and it was a big mistake. 0:20:48.240 --> 0:20:53.560 And you know, maybe not now later you'll understand that. 0:20:54.240 --> 0:20:57.560 Well, my intention was never to hurt them. My intention 0:20:57.800 --> 0:21:01.840 was I just wasn't in any state of mind to 0:21:01.920 --> 0:21:06.720 see you. And everything that happened at May is one thing, 0:21:07.280 --> 0:21:10.119 but them is another thing. Yeah, Well tell that, you know, 0:21:10.240 --> 0:21:12.560 to you know, a kid who's going through this as 0:21:12.560 --> 0:21:15.120 a teenager, there's a lot of hate in their heart 0:21:15.160 --> 0:21:18.400 when you know, Kobe is the thing that I love 0:21:18.480 --> 0:21:20.680 more than anything. When I was growing up in this house, 0:21:20.880 --> 0:21:23.920