WEBVTT - Laughter As Medicine with Seth & Lauren Rogen 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:03.560 Hey, this is exciting My guests today. Well, first off, 0:00:03.560 --> 0:00:06.800 there's two of them, so it's double the fun. They 0:00:06.840 --> 0:00:11.119 are naturally very funny people. They're also very kind and 0:00:11.160 --> 0:00:15.560 warm people, and I really enjoyed chatting with them. It's 0:00:15.560 --> 0:00:18.000 funny because, you know, I interviewed my wife a few 0:00:18.000 --> 0:00:21.440 weeks back, and that was a really rare occasion for us. 0:00:22.040 --> 0:00:24.720 But this couple that I talked to today, they seem 0:00:24.760 --> 0:00:27.840 to love being interviewed and they do it really well, 0:00:27.920 --> 0:00:31.400 even if they are from zooming from different places, probably 0:00:31.560 --> 0:00:34.239 different parts of their house, but I don't know. But 0:00:34.320 --> 0:00:37.120 my guests today are Seth Rogan and his wife, Lauren 0:00:37.200 --> 0:00:48.919 Miller Rogan. So listen up, lean in. I'm glad you're here. 0:00:51.040 --> 0:00:57.960 I am super excited today to have Lauren Miller Rogan 0:00:58.080 --> 0:01:01.360 and Seth Rogan on the podcast. 0:01:01.640 --> 0:01:01.800 Uh. 0:01:02.880 --> 0:01:05.720 You guys are the first couple that we've had. You're 0:01:05.720 --> 0:01:08.959 probably not going to be surprised to hear that. Uh. 0:01:09.040 --> 0:01:12.720 And it's also a little bit coincidental because the second 0:01:12.720 --> 0:01:15.039 podcast that I'm going to do today, I'm going to 0:01:15.600 --> 0:01:21.360 interview my wife, which should be interesting, you know, I mean, 0:01:21.440 --> 0:01:22.080 good good. 0:01:22.000 --> 0:01:22.520 Luck with that. 0:01:23.000 --> 0:01:26.720 Yeah, maybe this is a good warm up. I don't 0:01:26.720 --> 0:01:31.000 know what exactly, yeah, exactly, but I mean, listen, you know, 0:01:31.160 --> 0:01:34.760 I don't think I have a feeling that you, the 0:01:34.840 --> 0:01:39.120 two of you, don't often do the interviews together. Am 0:01:39.160 --> 0:01:40.000 I right about that? 0:01:41.640 --> 0:01:42.440 Not our first? 0:01:43.000 --> 0:01:43.200 Yeah? 0:01:43.920 --> 0:01:46.400 First, we've Yeah, we've done a couple, We've done a 0:01:46.440 --> 0:01:47.480 couple of ye. Yeah. 0:01:47.560 --> 0:01:50.360 I mean I guess I guess your involvement with the 0:01:50.680 --> 0:01:53.760 with the charity has made that, you know, kind of possible. 0:01:53.800 --> 0:01:56.480 I know that for Kira and me, we try to 0:01:56.520 --> 0:02:01.840 avoid it, like the plague and the Yeah. I mean, 0:02:01.880 --> 0:02:05.920 the problem with it to me is, and I'm saying 0:02:05.920 --> 0:02:08.720 this because I'm about to jump into this, is the 0:02:08.840 --> 0:02:15.320 questions are just irritating. Do you How do you feel 0:02:15.360 --> 0:02:18.600 about answering questions about your marriage? I guess that's what 0:02:18.600 --> 0:02:19.360 I'm trying to say. 0:02:21.120 --> 0:02:24.920 I feel like because often the interviews that we do 0:02:25.120 --> 0:02:30.120 together are focused on our charity. They generally are focused 0:02:30.160 --> 0:02:32.639 on our charity, whereas you know, I guess in those 0:02:32.639 --> 0:02:34.440 moments where we're doing things that are not focused on 0:02:34.440 --> 0:02:36.320 our charity. Sure, the last about our marriage, and it's 0:02:36.320 --> 0:02:38.200 just like you know, it depends on how you're. 0:02:38.040 --> 0:02:39.280 Feeling and what you want to share. 0:02:39.720 --> 0:02:41.760 I think it's like we do share a chunk of 0:02:41.760 --> 0:02:45.399 our personal life having this organization, but certainly there are 0:02:45.560 --> 0:02:47.720 many things we do not want to talk about and 0:02:47.760 --> 0:02:53.040 do not so you know, it's it's always like, you know, 0:02:53.080 --> 0:02:54.800 I feel like it depends on the day, right, Like 0:02:54.919 --> 0:02:56.200 I don't know, Seth, what do you think? 0:02:57.080 --> 0:02:58.880 Yeah, I feel like we haven't you know, I feel 0:02:58.919 --> 0:03:01.960 like we both have I have a good sense of 0:03:02.000 --> 0:03:09.760 one another's discretionary preferences. But yeah, you know, also like 0:03:10.280 --> 0:03:11.720 we come from a place where, like when we first 0:03:11.760 --> 0:03:14.160 started dating, I was on like Howard Stern every other year, 0:03:14.200 --> 0:03:16.720 so like a lot of it came out. Probably that 0:03:17.040 --> 0:03:18.840 a lot more came out than I would have preferred it. 0:03:19.160 --> 0:03:20.520 Probably much earlier. 0:03:20.200 --> 0:03:21.440 On in retrospect. 0:03:21.600 --> 0:03:23.119 And never listen to how long? 0:03:23.160 --> 0:03:24.400 How long have you been married? 0:03:25.520 --> 0:03:29.160 We've been married for twelve years, but we've been together 0:03:29.280 --> 0:03:30.920 for over eighteen. 0:03:30.560 --> 0:03:34.480 Now, amazing. Wow, And how did you how did you meet? 0:03:35.840 --> 0:03:36.200 We met? 0:03:37.200 --> 0:03:41.120 I was a writer on The Ali g Show in 0:03:41.280 --> 0:03:47.800 two thousand and four, and I was twenty two. I 0:03:47.840 --> 0:03:51.640 guess twenty four, yeah, twenty two, And my friend Will 0:03:51.760 --> 0:03:56.360 Riser was a producer on the show, and he was 0:03:56.400 --> 0:03:57.160 around our age. 0:03:57.240 --> 0:04:00.200 He was a year older basically, and he was dating 0:04:00.600 --> 0:04:01.920 my friend Lawrence basically. 0:04:02.000 --> 0:04:06.480 Yeah, and so so yeah, they kind of suggested that 0:04:06.520 --> 0:04:08.080 we would like each other and we all went to 0:04:08.280 --> 0:04:12.000 a party one night together and and that was it. 0:04:12.680 --> 0:04:12.920 Yeah. 0:04:13.000 --> 0:04:16.719 So I mean, I gotta say it's it's probably I 0:04:16.720 --> 0:04:20.440 don't know, not that often that when you hear those stories, 0:04:20.480 --> 0:04:23.080 it's I always think, isn't that great that somebody had 0:04:23.800 --> 0:04:26.680 had the understanding the friends could have the understanding of 0:04:26.720 --> 0:04:29.320 two people to know that they would be you know, 0:04:29.320 --> 0:04:31.039 it's kind of beautiful in a way to have friends 0:04:31.040 --> 0:04:33.640 that would like kind of get get that. On the 0:04:33.640 --> 0:04:35.840 other hand, it doesn't happen that often though. 0:04:35.839 --> 0:04:36.159 I know. 0:04:36.279 --> 0:04:39.360 I never set people up, but specifically I don't want 0:04:39.400 --> 0:04:41.640 to deal with the fallout of it. We were pretty young, 0:04:41.720 --> 0:04:44.960 so maybe they weren't understanding the full social ramifications of it. 0:04:44.960 --> 0:04:47.960 But yeah, I hate setting people up for that exact reason. 0:04:48.080 --> 0:04:48.440 Hate it. 0:04:49.600 --> 0:04:51.280 Do it when it's when people are like, oh a 0:04:51.320 --> 0:04:53.440 little bit. It's like, sure, well you're nice and you're nice, 0:04:53.440 --> 0:04:55.360 you'll have a good time. But it's like, oh, it's 0:04:55.400 --> 0:04:56.200 so much pressure. 0:04:56.560 --> 0:04:58.760 I don't think I've ever tried to tell you the truth. 0:04:58.839 --> 0:05:00.680 I can't think of a single time when I've ever 0:05:00.720 --> 0:05:03.080 really tried to set set somebody up, But I wouldn't 0:05:03.080 --> 0:05:03.960 be terrified. I fit. 0:05:04.040 --> 0:05:04.560 I don't either. 0:05:04.600 --> 0:05:06.360 And at this point, if I know you and your 0:05:06.400 --> 0:05:09.039 single like, I will never set you up with someone like. 0:05:09.120 --> 0:05:10.039 If you if you've. 0:05:09.839 --> 0:05:13.640 Made it this long, then I would never throw you 0:05:13.680 --> 0:05:16.120 at the throw you into a relationship with someone I know. 0:05:17.080 --> 0:05:21.799 Let me ask you something. We we we are both 0:05:22.120 --> 0:05:29.560 you're both in the in the simpler in the same business, uh, directing, producing, acting, 0:05:30.080 --> 0:05:33.359 all that kind of stuff. How how often do you 0:05:33.680 --> 0:05:38.719 discuss the day to day ups and downs and ins 0:05:38.760 --> 0:05:42.400 and outs of career and and work and business. 0:05:43.000 --> 0:05:45.360 I mean, I would say all all the time. Yeah, 0:05:45.480 --> 0:05:47.800 it's you know, it's it's a it's a balance. As 0:05:47.920 --> 0:05:52.320 you know, obviously our careers have been different. But I 0:05:52.360 --> 0:05:54.320 would say the fact that we both do the same 0:05:54.360 --> 0:05:58.320 thing is something that is really beneficial to our relationship 0:05:58.360 --> 0:06:01.480 because we both really have an understanding of of you know, 0:06:01.560 --> 0:06:03.679 how it feels for it to go well and how 0:06:03.880 --> 0:06:07.039 it feels for it to not go well, and you know, 0:06:07.120 --> 0:06:09.400 and and and literally I mean as as writers, and 0:06:09.400 --> 0:06:11.840 certainly this is a tricky line to walk and it 0:06:11.880 --> 0:06:14.760 doesn't always go well. But like you know, we can 0:06:14.800 --> 0:06:17.720 share what we're working on and give feedback and have 0:06:17.760 --> 0:06:22.240 conversations and be supportive of it. Again, doesn't always go well, 0:06:22.440 --> 0:06:25.280 but so I think it's for us, it's you know, 0:06:25.360 --> 0:06:26.760 it's great that we have that in common. 0:06:28.120 --> 0:06:31.080 Yeah, you know, you put the word that you use 0:06:31.360 --> 0:06:35.280 just now, which is something that I really always hold 0:06:35.320 --> 0:06:38.440 on to, is an understanding of what it is. So 0:06:38.760 --> 0:06:42.120 you know, like if you go, if you have a 0:06:43.960 --> 0:06:47.279 I mean, of course there's marriages where one person would 0:06:47.320 --> 0:06:49.080 be you know, an actor or another would be a 0:06:49.720 --> 0:06:51.679 you know, a dentist, and it could work out fine. 0:06:52.080 --> 0:06:55.960 But but for people that are in the entertainment business, 0:06:56.000 --> 0:07:00.240 the things that seem sometimes really kind of big and 0:07:00.400 --> 0:07:05.040 hard seem kind of silly to the outside world. You know, 0:07:05.400 --> 0:07:09.000 like if I'm giving an example, like if I if 0:07:09.040 --> 0:07:14.160 I go, you know, hey, she's like, what what's wrong? Why? 0:07:14.240 --> 0:07:17.280 You know what you seem like you're, well, you know, 0:07:17.320 --> 0:07:20.600 I just read this review and you know this guy 0:07:22.320 --> 0:07:24.600 my age, you know, just got you just got this 0:07:24.680 --> 0:07:27.080 great review or just want to you know, an oscar 0:07:27.160 --> 0:07:29.160 or whatever it is. I mean, to the outside world, 0:07:29.200 --> 0:07:32.240 people go that is just stupid. I mean, why would 0:07:32.280 --> 0:07:34.360 you let that even affect your day? And it's the 0:07:34.400 --> 0:07:36.600 slightest bit, but there is a kind of empathy and 0:07:36.680 --> 0:07:38.840 kind of understanding about what it is that we do 0:07:38.920 --> 0:07:40.880 for a living. Not to mention just a shorthand of 0:07:41.120 --> 0:07:44.560 you know, whatever terms you want to use, you know, 0:07:45.160 --> 0:07:48.280 call times and back end things. 0:07:48.040 --> 0:07:52.320 Like exactly we talked about our back end mostly I 0:07:52.040 --> 0:07:59.160 talk I talk about her back We Uh, well, no, 0:07:59.240 --> 0:08:01.520 you're right. I think that's something that we're both very 0:08:03.560 --> 0:08:06.360 at peace with that it and in tune with is 0:08:06.360 --> 0:08:07.679 is one another? 0:08:08.120 --> 0:08:10.239 You know? Is that? Is that exactly what you're saying? 0:08:10.240 --> 0:08:11.160 You get wrapped up. 0:08:11.280 --> 0:08:14.800 You know, our emotional stakes are different in this job. 0:08:15.160 --> 0:08:17.840 Some would say, you know, the things that we get 0:08:17.840 --> 0:08:21.720 worked up about are are inconsequential to others, but to us, 0:08:21.760 --> 0:08:24.280 they're very meaningful. When you pour yourself into your work 0:08:24.280 --> 0:08:27.120 and when you identify through your work, and when you're 0:08:27.160 --> 0:08:30.040 an artist and you want people to see you through 0:08:30.040 --> 0:08:33.840 your work, and when it's not received how you want, like, yeah, 0:08:33.880 --> 0:08:36.240 I think I could see how. 0:08:36.520 --> 0:08:38.320 You know. We what's nice is we are both in 0:08:38.360 --> 0:08:39.040 a position to. 0:08:39.000 --> 0:08:43.360 Truly understand like how how how how painful that can be, 0:08:43.520 --> 0:08:47.199 you know, and we don't kind of belittle that at all, 0:08:47.240 --> 0:08:49.760 as as my other friends do. 0:08:49.880 --> 0:08:50.439 To meet. 0:08:56.240 --> 0:08:58.520 Well, I know I have friends that do the same thing. 0:08:58.600 --> 0:09:01.400 For me, it is that just don't get it. And 0:09:01.640 --> 0:09:04.000 men family members too that are kind of like, yeah, dude, 0:09:04.040 --> 0:09:04.480 shut up. 0:09:04.840 --> 0:09:07.480 I've been with the I've been with filmmakers as we've 0:09:07.520 --> 0:09:11.360 been as we've been like releasing movies that are breaking 0:09:12.040 --> 0:09:16.640 literal like box office records, and and the filmmaker is 0:09:16.679 --> 0:09:19.520 still just focused on the fact that, like the tomato 0:09:19.600 --> 0:09:22.559 score is not what and yeah, and and and I 0:09:22.640 --> 0:09:25.080 get and whenever I'm like, I get it. 0:09:24.880 --> 0:09:29.160 Like I see, I feel the pain and it's and 0:09:29.240 --> 0:09:33.360 it does. Yeah, yeah, that's painful. 0:09:34.360 --> 0:09:37.760 Exactly. You used the word recently. I want to ask 0:09:37.800 --> 0:09:42.640 you both about this that I have been uh I'm 0:09:42.720 --> 0:09:44.640 coming to a new understanding of it. And the word 0:09:44.720 --> 0:09:48.200 is artists. And I can tell you that when I 0:09:48.320 --> 0:09:53.240 uh became an actor, I was super super focused on 0:09:53.600 --> 0:09:55.880 just getting famous and getting wretch and getting girls. That 0:09:55.960 --> 0:09:58.600 was one hundred had nothing to do. 0:09:58.679 --> 0:10:03.720 And you crush that man, so exactly. 0:10:04.200 --> 0:10:07.040 It was it had nothing to do with the with 0:10:07.080 --> 0:10:10.160 the with art you know, it was like to me, 0:10:10.240 --> 0:10:13.280 Bryan Brandt was an artist and what I was doing 0:10:13.440 --> 0:10:17.680 was wearing makeup and you know, of saying somebody else's words. 0:10:18.360 --> 0:10:23.080 But I think more recently I've started to think about 0:10:25.000 --> 0:10:31.520 art and the impact that art can have on people, 0:10:32.360 --> 0:10:35.800 uh individually, you know, in the ways that they feel 0:10:35.840 --> 0:10:39.920 about life, and then and the ways that that that 0:10:40.280 --> 0:10:44.360 culture responds to things and even uh you know, the 0:10:44.720 --> 0:10:49.120 political change or awareness of of of issues or whatever. 0:10:49.760 --> 0:10:54.280 And and I'm not just talking about making films or writing, directing, 0:10:54.679 --> 0:10:56.520 you know, acting in films that have some kind of great, 0:10:56.559 --> 0:11:00.480 big social point of view. But I mean I'm about 0:11:00.520 --> 0:11:04.439 making horror movies or comedies. You know, you can impact 0:11:04.520 --> 0:11:08.000 people with these And I'm starting to feel like, well, 0:11:08.040 --> 0:11:10.840 that's really what art is, that's what it has been. 0:11:11.360 --> 0:11:14.480 And I just wondered if if you've ever had any 0:11:14.559 --> 0:11:18.040 kind of resistance to that concept, and whether you have 0:11:18.400 --> 0:11:19.880 you know, a point of view about that. 0:11:20.480 --> 0:11:22.600 Yeah, well you went to art school or in so 0:11:22.640 --> 0:11:24.679 I think you were conditioned from a very young age 0:11:24.679 --> 0:11:26.439 to accept that, which is nice. 0:11:26.480 --> 0:11:28.200 Yeah, yeah, I was going to say that. I think 0:11:28.240 --> 0:11:31.040 like for me, I was I was an art kid 0:11:31.240 --> 0:11:34.959 in that like from a young age, I was happiest 0:11:35.120 --> 0:11:39.240 with crayons and paper and a journal that I could 0:11:39.840 --> 0:11:43.400 write everything into. And so and I went then to 0:11:43.640 --> 0:11:46.240 a middle school that was focused on the arts and 0:11:46.360 --> 0:11:49.040 was in the visual arts program. And high school I 0:11:49.080 --> 0:11:51.199 went to an arts high school and was in the 0:11:51.280 --> 0:11:56.200 visual arts program. And so expressing the feelings that I 0:11:56.360 --> 0:11:59.720 had into whatever art it was that I was making 0:11:59.720 --> 0:12:02.480 in those programs I think was ingringed in me that 0:12:02.559 --> 0:12:05.319 I didn't give it a second thought, and that was like, Oh, 0:12:05.320 --> 0:12:08.000 that's what I do because that's how I feel, and 0:12:08.040 --> 0:12:11.960 I've learning, I've learned the skills and how to express 0:12:12.040 --> 0:12:16.440 that through writing, drawing, painting, sculpting, et cetera, et cetera. 0:12:18.320 --> 0:12:22.640 And so for me, I think I honestly never really 0:12:22.640 --> 0:12:24.439 thought about that it was anything other than that. I 0:12:24.760 --> 0:12:27.320 don't think of it as in this like at this point, 0:12:27.440 --> 0:12:31.360 I absolutely think that storytelling and what we do is art, 0:12:31.440 --> 0:12:34.440 but I don't put a sort of pretentious spin on 0:12:34.559 --> 0:12:38.680 it in any way other than I feel that so 0:12:38.880 --> 0:12:44.120 much of what we do is about connection and understanding, 0:12:44.720 --> 0:12:48.079 and I'm just expressing what I'm feeling or what I'm 0:12:48.080 --> 0:12:51.120 thinking or what i'm creating, so that someone else can 0:12:51.160 --> 0:12:52.720 be like, yeah, I feel that way too, or I 0:12:52.760 --> 0:12:56.400 thought that was funny, or you know, or I just 0:12:56.480 --> 0:12:59.400 I see myself in that, and so I think that 0:12:59.400 --> 0:13:01.920 that is, you know, and that is generally really what 0:13:01.920 --> 0:13:05.680 what art is. It's a representation of someone's interpretation of 0:13:05.720 --> 0:13:09.319 a moment for the viewer or the audience to have 0:13:09.360 --> 0:13:13.760 a relationship to it. And I think that's like, that's 0:13:13.760 --> 0:13:18.080 what we're always doing, is people maybe pretensions, but. 0:13:18.400 --> 0:13:22.079 Yeah, it's I just started to feel like how co 0:13:22.240 --> 0:13:24.960 musicians get, like the worst musician gets to be called 0:13:25.000 --> 0:13:27.800 an artist, Like it's true in a world where Kid 0:13:27.840 --> 0:13:31.920 Rocks consider an artist, why can't I consider myself an artist? 0:13:32.240 --> 0:13:35.680 No, they definitely grabbed it. They grabbed it, they took 0:13:35.720 --> 0:13:39.240 it before we did, so unfair right about that? 0:13:39.320 --> 0:13:41.400 I got Yeah, at what point, I was at the 0:13:41.400 --> 0:13:43.280 Grabbys and just like, fuck it, I'm an artist too. 0:13:43.320 --> 0:13:55.040 I got a fan out a little bit. I can't talk, 0:13:55.120 --> 0:13:59.640 obviously for obvious reasons about things that are specific, but 0:13:59.720 --> 0:14:01.800 I just want to say that I'm such a great 0:14:01.800 --> 0:14:09.320 admirer of your really singular kind of career in the 0:14:09.360 --> 0:14:13.520 way that you came to it. But also besides the fact, 0:14:14.679 --> 0:14:17.760 there's two things that I think are really interesting. One is, 0:14:19.680 --> 0:14:25.520 in the nineteen eighties, they gave me a production deal 0:14:25.680 --> 0:14:29.080 at a major studio and I had I lived in 0:14:29.120 --> 0:14:31.680 New York, but I had an office on the lot, 0:14:31.920 --> 0:14:34.880 and I had a development person and I had a 0:14:35.200 --> 0:14:38.000 and I had a secretary. And we didn't do jack 0:14:38.120 --> 0:14:42.520 shitt and I couldn't get I was like, this is cool, 0:14:42.720 --> 0:14:48.720 I'm going to be a producer. And nothing, nothing got done. 0:14:49.000 --> 0:14:54.880 It was so difficult. And you have completely embraced and 0:14:58.080 --> 0:15:02.120 you know, just made this made this a part of 0:15:02.280 --> 0:15:06.200 who you are is finding stuff for you to be, 0:15:06.280 --> 0:15:09.120 in finding stuff for other people to be, in finding 0:15:09.200 --> 0:15:11.320 things that you think have value. And I just I 0:15:11.800 --> 0:15:15.520 really admire that because I think that so often as 0:15:15.640 --> 0:15:23.760 artists take it, yes we are, we're just you know, 0:15:24.440 --> 0:15:28.400 we don't get it well. Either we don't have the 0:15:28.520 --> 0:15:30.760 skill to do that, or we don't get a chance 0:15:30.800 --> 0:15:32.240 to do that. So I just want to say that 0:15:32.360 --> 0:15:33.000 I admire that. 0:15:33.720 --> 0:15:34.800 Thank you. Yeah. 0:15:34.840 --> 0:15:36.640 I mean I was lucky to be like brought up 0:15:36.680 --> 0:15:40.280 also in like a very specific environment, like surrounded by 0:15:40.520 --> 0:15:45.920 people who like we're very geared towards like producing, and 0:15:46.520 --> 0:15:50.000 I was like showing how to produce, and I was shown, oh, 0:15:50.120 --> 0:15:52.640 you can like nurture someone in their idea and you 0:15:52.640 --> 0:15:55.840 could understand the logistics of how things get brought to 0:15:55.880 --> 0:15:59.480 life from like a financial standpoint and navigating the studio. 0:15:59.560 --> 0:16:00.360 And and if. 0:16:00.240 --> 0:16:02.040 You're a writer too, then it puts you in like 0:16:02.120 --> 0:16:05.080 a really special position and the idea of being like 0:16:05.120 --> 0:16:09.800 a writing producer, a producer who can actually fix the 0:16:09.960 --> 0:16:14.080 problems in the material and help fix the problems and 0:16:14.240 --> 0:16:18.200 enable people to fix the problems. You know, that I 0:16:18.240 --> 0:16:21.280 get like I was brought up around people who did that, 0:16:21.400 --> 0:16:25.720 and I saw, oh, like if that, if that's a 0:16:25.760 --> 0:16:27.840 thing we can do, then there's not a lot of 0:16:27.880 --> 0:16:32.400 people who are both you know, able to go into 0:16:32.400 --> 0:16:35.440 a studio and you know, negotiate budgets and deals and 0:16:35.480 --> 0:16:39.280 all that stuff, and if there's a writing issue, they 0:16:39.320 --> 0:16:42.640 could actually sit down and help fix the problem, you know. 0:16:42.760 --> 0:16:45.800 And and so it was yeah, I mean, but I 0:16:45.880 --> 0:16:47.760 got I got real lucky in that I was kind 0:16:47.760 --> 0:16:49.600 of like shown how to do that. 0:16:49.720 --> 0:16:52.000 You know, who were those people that you say brought 0:16:52.000 --> 0:16:52.760 you up in that way. 0:16:52.960 --> 0:16:54.800 I mean it was Judd Apatow for sure. It was 0:16:54.800 --> 0:16:56.400 one of those people. And he was brought up by 0:16:56.400 --> 0:16:57.560 Gary Shandling. 0:16:57.240 --> 0:16:59.080 A lot of the the in a lot of ways. 0:16:59.120 --> 0:17:01.840 And Gary was around me when I was younger, and 0:17:01.880 --> 0:17:05.360 he really like had that it was almost like a. 0:17:05.359 --> 0:17:08.600 Rick rubinesque like comedic figure. 0:17:08.680 --> 0:17:08.879 You know. 0:17:08.960 --> 0:17:09.960 It was someone who was like. 0:17:11.760 --> 0:17:15.240 Really was trying to inspire others to like create their 0:17:15.280 --> 0:17:18.280 best work and and and spoke to them about how 0:17:18.320 --> 0:17:21.560 to create their best work and and and physically could 0:17:21.680 --> 0:17:23.080 could do it as well. 0:17:22.880 --> 0:17:25.160 You know, and and and. 0:17:25.160 --> 0:17:29.080 Also like would like have their own shows and their 0:17:29.119 --> 0:17:32.160 own companies and and would enable other people. And Jim 0:17:32.160 --> 0:17:35.160 Brooks was someone that was for sure, you know, judge 0:17:35.240 --> 0:17:37.160 him up under him and he's so when I got 0:17:37.160 --> 0:17:38.320 to be around when I was younger, and. 0:17:38.280 --> 0:17:41.399 He was almost was very he's very degenerous in that. 0:17:41.800 --> 0:17:43.520 Yeah, he's great, and he's kind of in a lot 0:17:43.520 --> 0:17:46.399 of ways, Yeah, like one of the architects of really 0:17:46.440 --> 0:17:52.760 being like a prolific writer, director, producer of of of 0:17:52.880 --> 0:17:55.720 people's work in that way, you know, and and like 0:17:55.760 --> 0:17:59.639 a writing producer in and of himself. So yeah, it 0:17:59.760 --> 0:18:02.800 was I was very fortunate to kind of get to 0:18:02.840 --> 0:18:04.640 be around these people at a young age and kind 0:18:04.640 --> 0:18:05.600 of absorb. 0:18:05.800 --> 0:18:08.920 Or did you have that kind of mentorship, Yeah, a bit. 0:18:09.000 --> 0:18:11.320 I mean I went to film school and so you 0:18:11.320 --> 0:18:15.359 know it was very intentional to you know, work, you know, 0:18:15.480 --> 0:18:17.960 as a writer and producer. I came out of school 0:18:17.960 --> 0:18:20.560 actually really being interested in producing, and I worked for 0:18:21.400 --> 0:18:24.480 this producer named Steve Starkey who was Robertson Echisil's producer 0:18:25.440 --> 0:18:28.600 in the sort of Polar Express and Beowulf Monster House 0:18:28.680 --> 0:18:35.359 years and you know, learned an incredible amount working at 0:18:35.400 --> 0:18:40.600 this company that was making big movies while simultaneously, Seth 0:18:40.640 --> 0:18:42.600 and I had started dating at the time, so I 0:18:42.640 --> 0:18:45.480 would I would leave work and then go to set 0:18:45.560 --> 0:18:48.919 and sit on set and also get to observe jud 0:18:49.080 --> 0:18:51.920 and SHAWNA. Robertson who was producing those movies at the time, 0:18:51.960 --> 0:18:58.320 and so very much. Yeah, had amazing examples of people 0:18:58.359 --> 0:19:02.119 who could juggle you know, the sort of creative side 0:19:02.160 --> 0:19:06.440 of putting funny stories together, but also you know, shepherding 0:19:06.440 --> 0:19:09.800 other people and being supportive of you know, people coming 0:19:09.880 --> 0:19:15.119 up and being generous and teaching and listening and offering guidance. 0:19:15.720 --> 0:19:18.399 And Yeah, it's incredible to be able to have that 0:19:19.440 --> 0:19:22.480 and to be around people like that. Yeah, I was 0:19:22.840 --> 0:19:25.040 very lucky and fun time for sure. 0:19:25.880 --> 0:19:28.679 I want to say to the people that are listening 0:19:28.680 --> 0:19:33.080 to this podcast. I probably mentioned this before, but I 0:19:33.280 --> 0:19:38.520 have zero regrets about my career and my I'm just 0:19:38.560 --> 0:19:40.560 not somebody that looks back and goes, oh shit, I 0:19:40.600 --> 0:19:42.600 wish I would have done this and done except for 0:19:42.640 --> 0:19:48.760 the fact that I never got the concept of mentorship 0:19:49.560 --> 0:19:52.600 because I was such a cocky little shit. I thought 0:19:53.359 --> 0:19:56.960 there was nothing that anybody could teach me. Teachers. I 0:19:57.000 --> 0:20:00.080 couldn't stand being in class because I was like, I 0:20:00.119 --> 0:20:03.760 don't I got this. I got this even you know, 0:20:04.160 --> 0:20:08.840 from my parents' older actors that I would meet now 0:20:08.880 --> 0:20:13.000 probably just I'm sure I was absorbing things without but 0:20:13.080 --> 0:20:16.800 I never really put myself in the situation of going 0:20:16.840 --> 0:20:20.119 to somebody and saying, you know, can I ask your 0:20:20.119 --> 0:20:24.800 advice on something? And I think that's I think that's 0:20:24.800 --> 0:20:28.040 a really important thing for people to do, as as 0:20:28.119 --> 0:20:29.760 young people er. 0:20:29.840 --> 0:20:31.640 I mean, I think having a balance though. I think 0:20:31.640 --> 0:20:34.600 that like confidence though, is key, and knowing where you're 0:20:34.640 --> 0:20:37.800 going is key, and so the fact that you had 0:20:37.800 --> 0:20:40.480 the confidence to, you know, be like, I deserve to 0:20:40.480 --> 0:20:42.160 be here, I know what I'm doing. I don't don't 0:20:42.160 --> 0:20:44.639 I don't need to listen to you helped drive you 0:20:44.720 --> 0:20:47.960 to where you where you were and are you know 0:20:48.040 --> 0:20:51.400 I would say that my confidence, I didn't have that confidence. 0:20:51.440 --> 0:20:53.639 I literally was like I need to learn because I 0:20:54.280 --> 0:20:58.520 am not ready until I was ready. And so I 0:20:58.560 --> 0:21:01.800 think that, you know, it's important to know I should 0:21:02.160 --> 0:21:05.360 in some situations shut up and listen and in some 0:21:05.440 --> 0:21:08.760 situations to say like I've experienced and I've learned and 0:21:08.800 --> 0:21:09.520 I'm ready to go. 0:21:10.400 --> 0:21:11.359 Yeah, It's true. 0:21:11.359 --> 0:21:14.720 That's what's hard about movies especially, is like no one's right. 0:21:15.200 --> 0:21:19.159 It's all just like who likes what more? And like 0:21:19.280 --> 0:21:22.520 who who feels it speaks to their tastes more and 0:21:22.520 --> 0:21:25.960 and and it is hard at times to yeah, navigate 0:21:26.240 --> 0:21:29.320 what advice you should take and what what advice is 0:21:29.440 --> 0:21:30.800 just kind. 0:21:30.640 --> 0:21:33.040 Of I'm trying to be better like at this age, 0:21:33.080 --> 0:21:36.679 at this late age, I'm actually trying to you know, especially, 0:21:36.720 --> 0:21:40.040 I think part of it is my is my wife's influence, 0:21:40.080 --> 0:21:43.520 because I mean really down to like even directors, do 0:21:43.600 --> 0:21:46.160 I really want direction? Not really? 0:21:46.600 --> 0:21:50.840 No one getting direction? 0:21:50.920 --> 0:21:51.639 When I was at. 0:21:53.440 --> 0:21:55.880 I'm happy not to are you are you really? 0:21:56.720 --> 0:21:56.880 Yeah? 0:21:56.960 --> 0:21:58.800