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Speaker 1: Still the Place with Laura Layton, Courtney Thorn Smith.

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Speaker 2: And daphnews Aniga and iHeartRadio Podcast.

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Speaker 3: Welcome Tomorrow's minute.

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Speaker 1: We have a very very exciting guest today, Jack Wagner, but.

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Speaker 2: The most fun troublemaker on set whatever show you're doing.

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Speaker 4: You know what a reputation. I love it.

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Speaker 3: Have your ears been burning?

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Speaker 5: Because you have come up a few times on our

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Speaker 5: podcast and we've talked about how much fun everybody talks

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Speaker 5: about fun stories with Jack and either you trying to

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Speaker 5: sabotage make us laugh.

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Speaker 2: And you know any of that.

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Speaker 5: But yeah, we're so happy to have you for this

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Speaker 5: Melrose Minute, and we're hoping that we're going to get

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Speaker 5: a longer session with you because there's way more stories

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Speaker 5: to tell and.

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Speaker 4: To do that for sure.

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Speaker 1: Are we're going to get a much longer Melrose Hour

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Speaker 1: with you, Yes, in person, in person. But this is

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Speaker 1: really to talk about your show.

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Speaker 3: It's finale on Sunday, right.

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Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, So thanks for having me to be able

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Speaker 4: to promote this Sunday. You know, the season finale. The

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Speaker 4: show is called When Calls the Heart on the Hallmark Channel,

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Speaker 4: and it's so funny to be with you guys, you know,

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Speaker 4: because it's such a opposite type of material than Melrose Place,

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Speaker 4: which was pretty racy, right, and bed scenes and backstabbings

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Speaker 4: in this and this is family friendly television. So it's

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Speaker 4: just a heart heartwarming show. And it's about a pioneer

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Speaker 4: talent at the turn of the century as a based

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Speaker 4: on a book by Janet Oak and about a school

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Speaker 4: teacher who leaves the big city and goes to the

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Speaker 4: pioneer to become a school teacher.

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Speaker 2: And it's got a huge following doc I mean, it's

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Speaker 2: a phenomenon. It's like Hallmark's biggest show.

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Speaker 4: I think it is, you know, and I know you

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Speaker 4: guys can relate to this because of the series you've

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Speaker 4: been on and especially the show we were so blessed

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Speaker 4: to be on melrose Place. When you have that core

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Speaker 4: fan base and they call themselves girls that hashtag parties

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Speaker 4: party Sweet and we sweet with them and have tweeted

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Speaker 4: for twelve years live during the episodes on X and

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Speaker 4: so I think that really has endeared I think us

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Speaker 4: as it's humanized us to the audience and they're just

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Speaker 4: a very loyal fan base.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's incredible. So we have loyal fans, right, they'll

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Speaker 1: still come up to you. I'm wearing my heart in

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Speaker 1: honor of the Hearties. I went down the rabbit hole

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Speaker 1: with the Hardy family reunion, and I am so envious

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Speaker 1: of everyone who gets to be there.

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Speaker 3: This is the one from last year.

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Speaker 1: The woman made a quilt and she made actual three

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Speaker 1: D buildings image of the building from the quilt.

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Speaker 3: There were friendship bracelets.

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Speaker 1: I was watching it thinking, what an extraordinary community to

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Speaker 1: be a part of.

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Speaker 3: It's incredible.

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Speaker 4: That's a good word Courtineys community, because that's that's really

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Speaker 4: the foundation I think of this show. Right. It's really heartwarming,

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Speaker 4: and of course there's comedy. You know, I wouldn't really

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Speaker 4: be involved in anything if I couldn't find comedy in it.

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Speaker 3: You'll find it, so it does.

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Speaker 4: It's really a cute, funny show with romance and very

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Speaker 4: very really touches your heart.

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Speaker 3: Have you been on all twelve years?

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Speaker 2: Jack?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? I came on because of Lori Lachlin. You know,

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Speaker 4: her husband is a buddy of mine, you know, from golf,

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Speaker 4: and so she's like the golf course she goes. You know,

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Speaker 4: I'm on the show. You should really check this out

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Speaker 4: because they had just done a Hallmark movie, so I

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Speaker 4: went to one of their events and met the producer

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Speaker 4: and I joined at the towards the end of season one.

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Speaker 3: Wow yeah, and twelve years much. How often are you

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Speaker 3: in Vancouver? How long is the season?

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Speaker 4: It's July to November.

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Speaker 3: That's perfect, Yeah.

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Speaker 4: You know, because it's they've built a pioneer town in Vancouver.

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Speaker 2: Is it in Vancouver?

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Speaker 4: After Vancouver? Vancouver Langley? I remember, Daphne, we saw you

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Speaker 2: Us, Jack and I was trying to look up. We

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Speaker 2: did two other movies, I think, both in Canada as well,

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Speaker 4: We worked together more after Melrose, So we did work

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Speaker 4: together on Melroe's Place, right, Daphne, I know, I.

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Speaker 2: Mean I survived Melrose because I didn't have to deal

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Speaker 5: I don't know where could I handled your That was

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Speaker 4: It was we had in the doctor's office.

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Speaker 3: Coming up with oh my god, Oh my gosh. That

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Speaker 4: Pencil pencil sharpener day and apple.

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Speaker 2: Right, there was at some point I think it was

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Speaker 2: a spy and basically Jack Wager's doing the pendulum. You're

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Speaker 2: starting from the darkest of the dark comedy to the

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Speaker 2: Hearty's like in one career.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, totally, it does. It does remind me a bit

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Speaker 4: of U General Hospital in the eighties. Right well, that

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Speaker 4: was kind of my big break. And that fan base

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Speaker 4: of that soap opera is still there.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 4: I still get called Frisco probably more than oh my

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Speaker 4: goshly so as you guys know, when when a fan base,

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Speaker 4: you know, love starts to fall in love with the characters,

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Speaker 4: it's very real for them and it reminds me a

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Speaker 4: little bit of a GH fans back in the eighties.

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Speaker 3: Oh, that's amazing.

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Speaker 1: We talked about the community for a second. I was

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Speaker 1: thinking about last year, all my girlfriends and I watched

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Speaker 1: The Residents separately together.

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Speaker 3: It was so much fun, and going down the rabbit hole.

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Speaker 1: Of this convention, I just thought they get that all

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Speaker 1: the time, Like these people they connect. There's a show

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Speaker 1: there's heart to heart ease, which just how incredible.

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Speaker 3: So they have this, they maintain this all.

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Speaker 1: Year, this connection around this show, and I think it's

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Speaker 1: extraordinary cause I think we're all really looking for community,

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Speaker 1: and what a sweet.

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Speaker 4: One to find. Good point, Courtney, I think this show

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Speaker 4: resonates with people given our you know, political temperature in

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Speaker 4: I think people look for something that's safe, you know,

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Speaker 2: You know, a miracle you were cast.

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Speaker 3: If you really think about it.

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Speaker 2: You have good agents. I mean, thank god for Laurie.

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Speaker 3: Have they not met you, Jack? Did they know you?

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Speaker 3: I mean golf?

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Speaker 4: Okay, but right, yeah, we're all still full of them, right, girls.

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Speaker 5: Twelve years they still don't know.

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Speaker 1: And you guys must be like a family to the

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Speaker 1: cast at this point. That's a long time to be.

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Speaker 1: You probably have an apartment there. It's kind of on

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Speaker 4: Yeah, a little bit. Yeah, I live in the apartment

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Speaker 4: when you see you know, people you've worked with, it's

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Speaker 4: like high school friends. You know, you seem to reconnect

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Speaker 4: The most important thing for me, and I know you

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Speaker 4: that is that the actors and directors were all seasoned

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Speaker 4: enough now where we collaborate on the material. You know,

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Speaker 4: I'm able to call the showrunner when something's not right,

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Speaker 4: if they missed something, if it's not funny, and they

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Speaker 4: When you can collaborate on set and make something better,

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Speaker 3: And so that's the trust factor. I'm knowing each other

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Speaker 2: And you know when we started this jack, you know,

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Speaker 3: Did everyone did redone really get along?

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Speaker 2: I mean the biggest disappointment for interviews that I did

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Speaker 2: We got paid to do that, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, I agree with you.

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Speaker 4: They're get a little bubble there. Yeah, But I think

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Speaker 4: it's all sort of dripped down from Heather, you know,

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Speaker 4: we didn't have you know, jerks that were exacts. We

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Speaker 1: Yes, you're right, Yeah, anybody who acts out looks ridiculous

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Speaker 1: looks exactly the same, She sounds exactly the same funny

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Speaker 3: The two of you on together, because that would be amazing.

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Speaker 5: Lucy and Ricky and we have this funny thing where

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Speaker 5: like we weren't the three of us weren't around for

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Speaker 5: the final seasons and you know you were. So there's

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Speaker 3: And it's it was, you know, for a show to go.

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Speaker 5: For seven years at all is miraculous, which is why

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Speaker 5: like your twelve year run on When Calls the Heart

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Speaker 3: And but like you.

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Speaker 5: Must have had like this feeling of a couple of

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Speaker 4: So because of the cast had shifted, especially towards the

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Speaker 4: I think we can all feel when something maybe coming

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Speaker 5: Well, we're so excited that we got this excuse to

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Speaker 5: People?

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Speaker 4: Are we helping you Jack?

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Speaker 2: Are you enjoying yourselves with us?

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Speaker 4: How?

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Speaker 4: Ready? Me because of my arithmetic? Thank you?

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Speaker 5: Yes, but we are happy to have you for your humor,

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Speaker 2: at nine o'clock eighth Central