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Speaker 1: Patriots Unfiltered the world's original podcast. Patriots Unfiltered brings you

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Speaker 2: He's a red shirt rookie at that point, so it's

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Speaker 2: really that's his rookie season essentially too, So now we're

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Speaker 2: really not talking about them, really knowing.

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Speaker 2: Hello, everybody nailed it. Joined as always by our Bark.

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Speaker 2: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex bars Like.

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Speaker 4: If I had told you that, Alex back in August

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Speaker 4: that we would feel by January that Drake May was

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Speaker 4: truly Ags franchise quarterback type, God, yeah, because I was right.

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Speaker 4: I was head of the curve. But at the same time, like,

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Speaker 4: if I told you that that was cemented this season.

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Speaker 2: You did tell me that just make just play along,

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Speaker 2: trying to host the show. Have been playing along more.

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Speaker 2: I was trying to give you credit.

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Speaker 4: I'm trying to I'm trying to move the show along.

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Speaker 4: And all you had to do was just all you do,

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Speaker 4: what you do.

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Speaker 2: All I had to do, what I have to do.

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Speaker 2: All you do is hype you up and give you

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Speaker 2: credit for your take that at the time was crazy,

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Speaker 2: being right, It wasn't crazy. It seems I should say

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Speaker 2: a take that seemed crazy at the time, being right.

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Speaker 2: So I wasn't gonna know. I'm sorry, won't give you

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Speaker 4: I wasn't going to open with this. I wasn't, I swear,

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Speaker 4: but Marine set me up for it. So now I

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Speaker 4: have to, Right, I have to do this soapbox moment

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Speaker 4: here for a second. So I'm driving into work this morning, right,

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Speaker 4: and look, I I like your station. I listened to

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Speaker 4: your stay all the time. I'm listening to your station, right,

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Speaker 4: And this isn't about the host. They didn't say anything wrong.

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Speaker 4: But I listened to the station and they're playing a

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Speaker 4: cut and I don't know who exactly it was, and

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Speaker 4: I don't want to name names. It was a national reporter,

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Speaker 4: though it was one of the insiders. It sounded like

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Speaker 4: Tom Pellisero, but I'm not one hundred percent sure who

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Speaker 4: it was. But the report was that Drake May is

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Speaker 4: even further along than people inside this building at Jillette

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Speaker 2: So clearly wasn't talking about you.

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Speaker 4: Clearly he's talking about people way more important than me.

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Speaker 4: And then it was a jumping that you, as your

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Speaker 4: station likes to do. They use it as a jumping

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Speaker 4: off point just to discuss if they thought that Drake

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Speaker 4: May was further along or not further along than they expected. Right,

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Speaker 4: And I just I, for the life of me, and

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Speaker 2: Is that allowed you when you're right about a take

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Speaker 4: I just and I said this back before the draft.

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Speaker 4: the fact that he was wrong. Right, dan Orlovsky said

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Speaker 4: This is erroneous, right, And I just I would love

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Speaker 4: And it's just shocking to me that it took to

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Speaker 2: The Jordan logo. It's not even a football player's logo.

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Speaker 4: And so they literally he takes them to the AEC

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Speaker 4: Anyways, they have some NFL talent around him. He takes

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Speaker 4: them to the AEC championship game. They played Oregon in

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Speaker 4: a big Bowl. I forget which.

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Speaker 4: There's a million bowls. They play Oregon in a big Bowl.

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Speaker 4: It was not there for that, Okay, draft that must

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Speaker 4: have been somebody else I'm thinking of. Anyways, they take

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Speaker 4: Then he comes back in twenty three, they change his

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Speaker 4: He led the FBS in that. And yet we get

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Speaker 4: And there's all sorts of room on the Drake May bandwagon.

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Speaker 4: Don't worry like it's not like we're not you know,

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Speaker 4: Because to me, and this is where I really where

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Speaker 4: some incredibly high level plays like elite franchise quarterback type throws, reads, moments,

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Speaker 4: I expected all of this to be there from Drake May.

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Speaker 4: And that's why when I came off of this game

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Speaker 4: he did it. Yeah, But I'm just I'm holding him

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Speaker 4: one in turnover worthy plays. Right, So it's both sides

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Speaker 2: I won't do that anymore. I thought this game was

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Speaker 2: And it's the third overall pick at quarterback. You're building

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Speaker 2: the thing around him big picture, don't get me wrong

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Speaker 4: That's where you want to miss the evaluation. Absolutely, I

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Speaker 4: It's one thing to do things one time. A lot

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Speaker 2: This is the Giants. I put respect on Sid Luckman's name,

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Speaker 2: An odd number of these were against NFC East teams,

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Speaker 4: Well, then you have the Eagles backup quarterbacks do it?

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Speaker 4: If you get competent line play, competent coordinating and play calling,

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Speaker 2: They it was the pressure rate was like thirty eight percent,

432
00:21:03,418 --> 00:21:08,058
Speaker 2: which is not amazing, but it's you can operate. And

433
00:21:08,138 --> 00:21:09,738
Speaker 2: there I said at the beginning of the year, like

434
00:21:09,738 --> 00:21:11,498
Speaker 2: can you get it down under forty? Yeah? Right, you

435
00:21:11,538 --> 00:21:14,338
Speaker 2: can operate within that. There was room for the running backs,

436
00:21:14,418 --> 00:21:16,298
Speaker 2: not a ton. They weren't breaking off big runs, but

437
00:21:16,298 --> 00:21:18,618
Speaker 2: they were able to stay on schedule. They weren't ahead

438
00:21:18,658 --> 00:21:20,378
Speaker 2: of schedule a ton, but they were able to stay

439
00:21:20,418 --> 00:21:22,778
Speaker 2: on schedule. That kind of thing. So and once you

440
00:21:22,858 --> 00:21:25,138
Speaker 2: look at it, you've let this same group now I

441
00:21:25,138 --> 00:21:26,538
Speaker 2: think this week they said they're going to start the

442
00:21:26,538 --> 00:21:28,338
Speaker 2: same group this week. It's their fourth start, right for

443
00:21:28,378 --> 00:21:32,618
Speaker 2: this group, fourth start, fifth game. Would you look at that?

444
00:21:33,538 --> 00:21:36,378
Speaker 2: They're actually starting to improve because you're letting them work together.

445
00:21:37,298 --> 00:21:39,298
Speaker 2: So I think it starts up front. I think if

446
00:21:39,298 --> 00:21:42,138
Speaker 2: they can get better play from the offensive line, those

447
00:21:42,178 --> 00:21:44,418
Speaker 2: other things will fall into place. Now Alex van peld Is,

448
00:21:44,538 --> 00:21:47,138
Speaker 2: he hasn't said, but he's, you know, reading between the

449
00:21:47,138 --> 00:21:48,938
Speaker 2: lines a little bit that the offensive line issues have

450
00:21:49,018 --> 00:21:51,258
Speaker 2: limited some of what they want to do. I look

451
00:21:51,258 --> 00:21:53,138
Speaker 2: at that screen pass they ran last week. They couldn't

452
00:21:53,178 --> 00:21:54,258
Speaker 2: run that at the beginning of the year. Are you

453
00:21:54,298 --> 00:21:56,938
Speaker 2: kidding me? Somebody had gotten clocked. Yeah, so he almost

454
00:21:57,098 --> 00:21:59,458
Speaker 2: get clocked. He almost well, he almost got clocked. It's

455
00:21:59,498 --> 00:22:01,818
Speaker 2: the NFL. You almost get clocked on every pay Yeah.

456
00:22:02,018 --> 00:22:05,378
Speaker 2: So I think as they start to as the offensive

457
00:22:05,378 --> 00:22:07,938
Speaker 2: line builds his continuity and gets together, you're gonna see

458
00:22:07,978 --> 00:22:10,138
Speaker 2: the rest of the stuff open up. Now, this week's

459
00:22:10,218 --> 00:22:13,618
Speaker 2: very different test like that. The Bears defensive front is good,

460
00:22:13,738 --> 00:22:16,818
Speaker 2: the Rams defensive front is great. It's a different test.

461
00:22:17,178 --> 00:22:19,098
Speaker 2: But I think if they continue to get the progress

462
00:22:19,178 --> 00:22:20,578
Speaker 2: up front, the rest of it will fall up a

463
00:22:20,738 --> 00:22:22,978
Speaker 2: big if. Ye. But if they get the progress up front,

464
00:22:22,978 --> 00:22:23,618
Speaker 2: the rest will follow.

465
00:22:23,738 --> 00:22:25,298
Speaker 4: So I want to circle back to drake Man in

466
00:22:25,338 --> 00:22:27,058
Speaker 4: a second, But I do want to stick on coaching

467
00:22:27,098 --> 00:22:30,778
Speaker 4: for a second because last week, and I like a

468
00:22:30,818 --> 00:22:32,978
Speaker 4: broken record because I said it on three different shows.

469
00:22:33,018 --> 00:22:34,658
Speaker 4: I'm sure you feel the same way. You give your

470
00:22:34,658 --> 00:22:36,898
Speaker 4: take on seventeen different shows, so it's, you know, the

471
00:22:36,978 --> 00:22:39,938
Speaker 4: same thing. But the three big things that I harped

472
00:22:39,938 --> 00:22:43,498
Speaker 4: on in Tennessee, which looking back at that game now

473
00:22:43,578 --> 00:22:46,698
Speaker 4: irks me even more because they we'd be talking about

474
00:22:46,858 --> 00:22:48,938
Speaker 4: a three game winning streak if they just took care

475
00:22:48,978 --> 00:22:52,778
Speaker 4: of business in Nashville and didn't have these issues. And

476
00:22:52,818 --> 00:22:55,178
Speaker 4: the big cliche that you always hear about and Bill

477
00:22:55,298 --> 00:22:59,418
Speaker 4: was big on this cliche, Bill Belichick, is that coaches

478
00:22:59,458 --> 00:23:03,458
Speaker 4: lose games and players win games. And two weeks ago

479
00:23:03,458 --> 00:23:06,818
Speaker 4: against the Titans, the Patriots coaching staff lost them a game.

480
00:23:07,738 --> 00:23:09,178
Speaker 2: That's how I.

481
00:23:09,218 --> 00:23:12,818
Speaker 4: Feel, and I laid it out, shaking up the offensive line,

482
00:23:13,578 --> 00:23:17,018
Speaker 4: how they handled the situation before halftime, and then obviously

483
00:23:17,098 --> 00:23:19,898
Speaker 4: the wind and overtime, right like, those three big things

484
00:23:20,258 --> 00:23:23,698
Speaker 4: were actively losing them that football game. And this team

485
00:23:23,778 --> 00:23:26,578
Speaker 4: just doesn't have the talent on the roster yet to

486
00:23:26,738 --> 00:23:30,697
Speaker 4: overcome bad coaching. If they go out on Sunday and

487
00:23:30,738 --> 00:23:33,018
Speaker 4: they play the Rams and I feel like and we

488
00:23:33,098 --> 00:23:35,818
Speaker 4: feel like that they have a competent game plan, they

489
00:23:35,818 --> 00:23:38,418
Speaker 4: get competent coaching, but the Rams just have a little

490
00:23:38,418 --> 00:23:40,338
Speaker 4: bit more talent than they do when they lose, then

491
00:23:40,378 --> 00:23:41,778
Speaker 4: I think we can all live with that. Like that

492
00:23:42,418 --> 00:23:44,898
Speaker 4: is where they're at, Like the Rams. If you stack

493
00:23:44,978 --> 00:23:46,938
Speaker 4: up the two rosters, the Rams have a lot more

494
00:23:46,978 --> 00:23:50,698
Speaker 4: talent than the Patriots do. So you look at that

495
00:23:50,858 --> 00:23:55,178
Speaker 4: and aside this week, I felt like they're coaching did

496
00:23:55,178 --> 00:23:57,458
Speaker 4: not actively lose them. The game, and what do you know,

497
00:23:57,498 --> 00:23:59,658
Speaker 4: they won the game. Right, you go into the game,

498
00:23:59,898 --> 00:24:02,458
Speaker 4: you have the same offensive line that they finished the

499
00:24:02,498 --> 00:24:05,258
Speaker 4: Titans game with and that they started the Jets game with,

500
00:24:05,258 --> 00:24:07,538
Speaker 4: with Michael Jordan at left guard and on Whenue at

501
00:24:07,578 --> 00:24:10,298
Speaker 4: right guard. Seemed like cooler heads prevailed there after, it

502
00:24:10,338 --> 00:24:12,258
Speaker 4: looked like maybe they were going to shake it up again.

503
00:24:13,258 --> 00:24:15,778
Speaker 4: Some of that sounded like also that Jordan was dealing

504
00:24:15,778 --> 00:24:17,938
Speaker 4: with an injury and they weren't one hundred percent sure

505
00:24:17,938 --> 00:24:19,418
Speaker 4: he was going to be able to play in the game.

506
00:24:19,738 --> 00:24:21,178
Speaker 4: So they go into the game and they have the

507
00:24:21,218 --> 00:24:24,738
Speaker 4: same starting offensive line really for all intents and purposes.

508
00:24:24,778 --> 00:24:27,618
Speaker 4: I know that they had a touchdown against Houston, but

509
00:24:27,658 --> 00:24:29,818
Speaker 4: that was just Drake May and Kishan Boudi making a

510
00:24:29,818 --> 00:24:32,618
Speaker 4: great play. For all intents and purposes, that was the

511
00:24:32,658 --> 00:24:36,298
Speaker 4: best situational football before the half they've had all year long.

512
00:24:36,338 --> 00:24:37,898
Speaker 2: I have a take on that. Yeah, and you know

513
00:24:37,938 --> 00:24:41,218
Speaker 2: I've been big on this. There's a difference between running

514
00:24:41,218 --> 00:24:42,978
Speaker 2: a one minute trail and running a two minute trol.

515
00:24:43,058 --> 00:24:45,578
Speaker 2: That was a thirty five second thirty Well, but like you,

516
00:24:45,658 --> 00:24:48,258
Speaker 2: one minute is one minute under basically, right. I think

517
00:24:48,298 --> 00:24:51,058
Speaker 2: there's technically like a fifteen second trail that some teams do.

518
00:24:51,178 --> 00:24:54,498
Speaker 2: But you that's the end of game. You're down, you

519
00:24:54,538 --> 00:24:58,218
Speaker 2: can there. They're different approaches, they're different steps. So I

520
00:24:58,538 --> 00:25:00,538
Speaker 2: don't look at that as they finally figured out the

521
00:25:00,538 --> 00:25:02,298
Speaker 2: two minute trail. I look at that as they can

522
00:25:02,338 --> 00:25:04,378
Speaker 2: execute the one minute but not the two minute. It

523
00:25:04,418 --> 00:25:06,658
Speaker 2: goes back to something we talked about last week about

524
00:25:06,658 --> 00:25:09,178
Speaker 2: them getting too cute and too hyper focused on that

525
00:25:09,178 --> 00:25:12,098
Speaker 2: one yard. It happened again, it did, but the context

526
00:25:12,138 --> 00:25:14,098
Speaker 2: is a little different. Yeah, I didn't like it. Still,

527
00:25:15,098 --> 00:25:17,618
Speaker 2: it makes no that's fair. It makes more sense there

528
00:25:17,618 --> 00:25:21,778
Speaker 2: because the clock is lower. You're not You're they were

529
00:25:21,818 --> 00:25:24,898
Speaker 2: like in field goal range ish and the clock is lower.

530
00:25:25,178 --> 00:25:27,218
Speaker 2: You hit that one run. Like, if you don't hit

531
00:25:27,218 --> 00:25:30,618
Speaker 2: that one run, you're not you're not punting the ball back. Yeah, right,

532
00:25:30,738 --> 00:25:33,258
Speaker 2: you're not stalling out and you still it's gonna be

533
00:25:33,298 --> 00:25:35,098
Speaker 2: a long field. But Joey Sly, we know, I.

534
00:25:35,058 --> 00:25:37,138
Speaker 4: Don't think they're like they're like right at the fifty,

535
00:25:37,178 --> 00:25:38,578
Speaker 4: weren't they when they ran the ball.

536
00:25:38,658 --> 00:25:40,218
Speaker 2: No, they were a little bit closer and says, look

537
00:25:40,418 --> 00:25:42,738
Speaker 2: it's third and one. Because I remember the field goal

538
00:25:42,738 --> 00:25:44,858
Speaker 2: line on the broadcast was like three or four yards

539
00:25:44,898 --> 00:25:46,618
Speaker 2: beyond the first I.

540
00:25:46,578 --> 00:25:48,098
Speaker 4: Know I'm nip picking, and I know I just was

541
00:25:48,138 --> 00:25:51,578
Speaker 4: trying to give them a positive but or you know whatever,

542
00:25:51,738 --> 00:25:55,417
Speaker 4: I give them praise. But it's third and one. I

543
00:25:55,418 --> 00:25:58,378
Speaker 4: believe there's like sixteen seconds left or something like that.

544
00:25:59,458 --> 00:26:02,898
Speaker 4: It's third and one, and you run the ball for

545
00:26:02,938 --> 00:26:05,618
Speaker 4: four yards, you pick up the first down, and then

546
00:26:05,658 --> 00:26:08,818
Speaker 4: you have to burn a time out. Otherwise you know

547
00:26:08,858 --> 00:26:10,218
Speaker 4: you're not gonna get another playoff.

548
00:26:10,218 --> 00:26:13,258
Speaker 2: But they knew, Like but then it's it's one big shot,

549
00:26:13,538 --> 00:26:17,378
Speaker 2: go down clock it like, or two shorts if it's incomplete.

550
00:26:17,458 --> 00:26:19,778
Speaker 4: But if you take the shot on third and one,

551
00:26:20,698 --> 00:26:23,658
Speaker 4: now you might actually have an opportunity to throw the

552
00:26:23,698 --> 00:26:26,578
Speaker 4: ball into the end zone once before you come out

553
00:26:26,578 --> 00:26:27,378
Speaker 4: and kick the field goal.

554
00:26:27,418 --> 00:26:29,618
Speaker 2: But I think they went into that, and this is

555
00:26:29,618 --> 00:26:31,418
Speaker 2: why the one minute trial two minute drills different.

556
00:26:31,818 --> 00:26:34,018
Speaker 4: You can go they went into a pinging field.

557
00:26:34,018 --> 00:26:35,378
Speaker 2: We're going down for field well, and I have no

558
00:26:35,458 --> 00:26:37,818
Speaker 2: problem with that in that situation. That's a fair point.

559
00:26:37,898 --> 00:26:40,578
Speaker 2: Sometimes like it's different. People don't leave points on the table,

560
00:26:40,698 --> 00:26:42,378
Speaker 2: would have built it. It's different than the Jets game

561
00:26:42,378 --> 00:26:44,578
Speaker 2: where they chose just not to move the ball. There

562
00:26:44,618 --> 00:26:47,258
Speaker 2: are some situations like you know your limitations, like we

563
00:26:47,458 --> 00:26:49,578
Speaker 2: just we want to get the three, because that that

564
00:26:49,658 --> 00:26:51,898
Speaker 2: was a big three in the grand scheme of things.

565
00:26:51,898 --> 00:26:54,378
Speaker 2: Obviously the Bears couldn't do anything in the second half,

566
00:26:54,378 --> 00:26:56,338
Speaker 2: but that made it a two score game. That made

567
00:26:56,338 --> 00:26:59,498
Speaker 2: it a ten point game. So I'm working under the

568
00:26:59,538 --> 00:27:02,658
Speaker 2: assumption that they were the plan was, we're gonna get three.

569
00:27:02,698 --> 00:27:06,778
Speaker 2: The other thing is, like you throw to Kaishawn Booty

570
00:27:06,818 --> 00:27:07,898
Speaker 2: in the middle of the field, you know there's a

571
00:27:07,978 --> 00:27:10,458
Speaker 2: chance you're coming up and clocking it. Right. So if

572
00:27:10,458 --> 00:27:12,578
Speaker 2: they went in planning for three, they executed that right.

573
00:27:12,618 --> 00:27:15,218
Speaker 2: If they went in planning for seven, then yeah, that

574
00:27:15,298 --> 00:27:17,138
Speaker 2: runs not a good idea. But I think they went

575
00:27:17,178 --> 00:27:18,778
Speaker 2: in knowing like, all right, we're gonna get a field goal.

576
00:27:18,738 --> 00:27:21,818
Speaker 4: Here, Okay, So they they handle I'll give them their credit.

577
00:27:21,818 --> 00:27:24,258
Speaker 4: They handled the half well, the end of the half well.

578
00:27:24,418 --> 00:27:27,098
Speaker 4: So now you have the same starting offensive line you

579
00:27:27,178 --> 00:27:32,418
Speaker 4: handled the half well. Really really dynamite defensive game plan

580
00:27:32,498 --> 00:27:35,338
Speaker 4: by Girodmeyo and DeMarcus Covington, like just a really good

581
00:27:35,378 --> 00:27:37,938
Speaker 4: game plan on that side of the ball. So it

582
00:27:37,978 --> 00:27:40,538
Speaker 4: really was beyond just like the schooler wrinkle, you know,

583
00:27:40,778 --> 00:27:42,338
Speaker 4: I like making a big deal out of stuff like

584
00:27:42,338 --> 00:27:43,538
Speaker 4: that because it's cool scheme.

585
00:27:43,578 --> 00:27:46,778
Speaker 2: It's football, it's fun, but you liking fun.

586
00:27:48,418 --> 00:27:50,697
Speaker 4: They had a really good plan. They knew that they

587
00:27:50,698 --> 00:27:53,138
Speaker 4: could cover those guys in Manta Man. They knew they

588
00:27:53,138 --> 00:27:55,818
Speaker 4: could get Kleb Williams to hold the ball, and even

589
00:27:55,818 --> 00:27:58,258
Speaker 4: though they don't have a dynamite pass rush this year,

590
00:27:59,298 --> 00:28:01,778
Speaker 4: most NFL pass rushes, if you give them three four

591
00:28:01,858 --> 00:28:04,578
Speaker 4: seconds to get home, they'll get home eventually, right, And

592
00:28:04,618 --> 00:28:07,338
Speaker 4: that's what happened. They also knew that the Bears offensive

593
00:28:07,338 --> 00:28:09,138
Speaker 4: line was all sorts of banged up, so they went

594
00:28:09,178 --> 00:28:11,698
Speaker 4: into this game thinking, if we can just get Caleb

595
00:28:11,738 --> 00:28:13,778
Speaker 4: Williams to hold the ball, and we can get them

596
00:28:13,778 --> 00:28:15,898
Speaker 4: to stay in the pocket and hold the ball, then

597
00:28:15,938 --> 00:28:18,618
Speaker 4: we're gonna have a pretty good chance defensively. They executed

598
00:28:18,658 --> 00:28:21,898
Speaker 4: the plan great and the last thing I know, it

599
00:28:21,938 --> 00:28:25,458
Speaker 4: didn't necessarily come across all the time in the broadcast,

600
00:28:25,458 --> 00:28:28,618
Speaker 4: I don't think, but it was incredibly windy, as it

601
00:28:28,698 --> 00:28:32,458
Speaker 4: usually is in Chicago at Soldier Field. So I'm not

602
00:28:32,538 --> 00:28:34,618
Speaker 4: talking about like which side of the field they took

603
00:28:34,698 --> 00:28:37,138
Speaker 4: or whatever, but you know, Joey Sli making all of

604
00:28:37,178 --> 00:28:40,658
Speaker 4: his kicks like the way they handled the situation and

605
00:28:40,698 --> 00:28:42,698
Speaker 4: all that kind of stuff, you know, after kind of

606
00:28:42,778 --> 00:28:45,178
Speaker 4: ragging on them about it in Tennessee, Like they did

607
00:28:45,178 --> 00:28:47,058
Speaker 4: a decent job of the elements in this game. I know,

608
00:28:47,058 --> 00:28:49,818
Speaker 4: it wasn't a blizzard, it wasn't like a rainstorm, but

609
00:28:49,858 --> 00:28:51,898
Speaker 4: it was pretty windy, and they did a nice job

610
00:28:51,938 --> 00:28:54,778
Speaker 4: on it as a whole. So if they get that

611
00:28:54,898 --> 00:28:58,378
Speaker 4: kind of coaching, like, that's all that I'm expecting out

612
00:28:58,418 --> 00:29:01,618
Speaker 4: of them from a coaching perspective, and they did not

613
00:29:01,938 --> 00:29:05,218
Speaker 4: go out there and actively lose themselves this game coaching wise,

614
00:29:05,258 --> 00:29:07,138
Speaker 4: and what do you know, You give the players a

615
00:29:07,138 --> 00:29:10,298
Speaker 4: fair shake to actually go out there and compete, and

616
00:29:10,298 --> 00:29:14,258
Speaker 4: they won a football game pretty decisively. And this goes

617
00:29:14,298 --> 00:29:16,418
Speaker 4: back to like a bigger picture take of mine about

618
00:29:16,418 --> 00:29:18,818
Speaker 4: the league as a whole. I do think sometimes we

619
00:29:18,858 --> 00:29:20,818
Speaker 4: get caught up a little too much in like talent

620
00:29:20,858 --> 00:29:24,658
Speaker 4: discrepancies on NFL rosters like these are all professional football players.

621
00:29:24,698 --> 00:29:26,338
Speaker 2: The gap between the best team and the worst team

622
00:29:26,338 --> 00:29:27,898
Speaker 2: in the NFL is I always say, this is not

623
00:29:27,938 --> 00:29:29,658
Speaker 2: nearly as big as people think it is, right.

624
00:29:29,618 --> 00:29:32,138
Speaker 4: So if you give the competent coaching on that kind

625
00:29:32,178 --> 00:29:34,978
Speaker 4: of level where they're doing all the right things, and

626
00:29:35,298 --> 00:29:38,458
Speaker 4: go back to the belichickism, the coaches are not losing

627
00:29:38,498 --> 00:29:41,298
Speaker 4: them in the game. Then the Patriots the rest of

628
00:29:41,338 --> 00:29:44,018
Speaker 4: the way will be in a lot of games. Will

629
00:29:44,018 --> 00:29:46,418
Speaker 4: they win a lot, I don't know, but they're gonna

630
00:29:46,458 --> 00:29:48,618
Speaker 4: be in some one score games and they're gonna have

631
00:29:48,698 --> 00:29:51,258
Speaker 4: some chances to win some football games here down the stretch.

632
00:29:51,658 --> 00:29:54,258
Speaker 4: So that's all you can ask for from the coaching staff.

633
00:29:54,698 --> 00:29:57,498
Speaker 4: And you know, just the other point I wanted to make,

634
00:29:57,738 --> 00:29:59,338
Speaker 4: And then I do want to talk about the players.

635
00:29:59,858 --> 00:30:01,458
Speaker 4: There's a lot of talk this week, and I want

636
00:30:01,458 --> 00:30:03,778
Speaker 4: to get your take on this about Alex van Pelt

637
00:30:04,258 --> 00:30:07,858
Speaker 4: and his future. There's some reporting out there about the

638
00:30:07,858 --> 00:30:11,018
Speaker 4: Patriots already kicking the tires there. You did a whole

639
00:30:11,058 --> 00:30:15,218
Speaker 4: bit about this yesterday, kicking the tires on you know,

640
00:30:15,298 --> 00:30:20,098
Speaker 4: offensive coordinators or at least offensive getting in plaints, input

641
00:30:20,298 --> 00:30:23,938
Speaker 4: onto young quarterbacks and things like that and how to

642
00:30:24,018 --> 00:30:27,658
Speaker 4: nurture them. But I still stand by my take on

643
00:30:27,778 --> 00:30:29,778
Speaker 4: Van Pelt, and I know not everybody agrees with me,

644
00:30:29,898 --> 00:30:33,018
Speaker 4: but I still feel like there's two different type there's

645
00:30:33,018 --> 00:30:36,658
Speaker 4: two different jobs here that he has right now. One

646
00:30:36,818 --> 00:30:41,258
Speaker 4: is quarterback developer, and one is offensive coordinator, and where

647
00:30:41,298 --> 00:30:44,458
Speaker 4: they are currently as a team, I still feel like

648
00:30:44,778 --> 00:30:48,458
Speaker 4: developer is more important at this point in time. When

649
00:30:48,458 --> 00:30:51,898
Speaker 4: they have a roster that's ready to compete around Drake May,

650
00:30:52,378 --> 00:30:56,018
Speaker 4: then maybe the scheming and the x's and o's and

651
00:30:56,058 --> 00:30:58,298
Speaker 4: the wits, you know, to go toe to toe with

652
00:30:58,338 --> 00:31:01,578
Speaker 4: a defensive coordinator or like one of the better playoff

653
00:31:01,578 --> 00:31:04,938
Speaker 4: caliber defenses in a big game like that stuff might

654
00:31:04,978 --> 00:31:07,858
Speaker 4: start to matter a little bit more. But right now,

655
00:31:08,058 --> 00:31:11,138
Speaker 4: they need to develop Drake and they need him to

656
00:31:11,178 --> 00:31:14,418
Speaker 4: figure out his footwork and his mechanics and his reads

657
00:31:14,458 --> 00:31:17,138
Speaker 4: and how to play quarterback in the NFL and how

658
00:31:17,178 --> 00:31:20,178
Speaker 4: to manage you know, risk verst reward with turnovers and

659
00:31:20,218 --> 00:31:23,098
Speaker 4: like things, all that stuff that he's going through right now.

660
00:31:23,418 --> 00:31:26,018
Speaker 4: And I actually really believe that Van Pelt is doing

661
00:31:26,018 --> 00:31:29,778
Speaker 4: a really good job with that side of it, and

662
00:31:30,098 --> 00:31:32,258
Speaker 4: I give him kudos for that. I do give him

663
00:31:32,298 --> 00:31:34,538
Speaker 4: credit for Drake May and where he's at right now.

664
00:31:34,378 --> 00:31:37,418
Speaker 2: I do too. I'll say this though, I feel like

665
00:31:37,458 --> 00:31:45,778
Speaker 2: everybody is operating under the assumption that, like either Van

666
00:31:45,818 --> 00:31:49,698
Speaker 2: Pelt is fired this year or he's gonna be Drake

667
00:31:49,698 --> 00:31:52,498
Speaker 2: May's offensive coordinator for his whole career right that it's

668
00:31:52,658 --> 00:31:54,498
Speaker 2: if you don't move on from Alex van Pelt. Now

669
00:31:54,898 --> 00:31:58,258
Speaker 2: this is the duo. I said this since before they

670
00:31:58,298 --> 00:32:00,538
Speaker 2: hired Van Pelt, I said this about pretty much. I

671
00:32:00,538 --> 00:32:02,338
Speaker 2: said this was gonna be true about anybody they hired.

672
00:32:02,658 --> 00:32:05,018
Speaker 2: This goes back to our whole conversation about offensive coach

673
00:32:05,058 --> 00:32:07,898
Speaker 2: for his defensive coach. Alex Van Pelt is not here

674
00:32:08,138 --> 00:32:11,138
Speaker 2: for a long time period, full stop, one way or

675
00:32:11,138 --> 00:32:13,738
Speaker 2: the other, because either it's going to go well with

676
00:32:13,818 --> 00:32:16,498
Speaker 2: Drake May and somebody's gonna make him a head coach

677
00:32:16,858 --> 00:32:19,218
Speaker 2: because he successfully developed a quarterback, and that is the

678
00:32:19,298 --> 00:32:21,498
Speaker 2: quickest way to get a head coaching job in the

679
00:32:21,498 --> 00:32:25,178
Speaker 2: Mardern NFL successfully developed rookie quarterback. He's either going to

680
00:32:25,178 --> 00:32:27,138
Speaker 2: get hired away as head coach because it went well

681
00:32:27,178 --> 00:32:29,338
Speaker 2: with Drake May, or at a certain point it's not

682
00:32:29,378 --> 00:32:31,578
Speaker 2: gonna be going well with Drake and they're gonna move

683
00:32:31,618 --> 00:32:34,298
Speaker 2: on from him. Like I, what's the timeline on that.

684
00:32:34,338 --> 00:32:38,538
Speaker 2: I think three years max. How many offensive coordinators, good

685
00:32:38,578 --> 00:32:43,818
Speaker 2: offensive coordinators that come up with a rookie quarterback stay

686
00:32:43,898 --> 00:32:46,938
Speaker 2: where they are for more than three years. There are

687
00:32:47,298 --> 00:32:52,418
Speaker 2: obvious exceptions, but like Josh McDaniels failed essentially three to well,

688
00:32:52,498 --> 00:32:54,578
Speaker 2: I guess he hasn't been an office corneror since. Failed

689
00:32:54,618 --> 00:32:59,018
Speaker 2: twice as a head coach right before, because I count,

690
00:32:59,058 --> 00:33:01,938
Speaker 2: I count the Colts thing, failed twice as a head coach.

691
00:33:02,018 --> 00:33:04,658
Speaker 2: Oh well, I mean he failed in Denver, so that's one,

692
00:33:05,018 --> 00:33:08,178
Speaker 2: and then he failed in Vegas. Soady's hired him since

693
00:33:08,178 --> 00:33:09,698
Speaker 2: the Vegas Yah. But if you count, if you count

694
00:33:09,698 --> 00:33:12,498
Speaker 2: the Colts thing, then it's three times. Well, I'm saying, like,

695
00:33:12,498 --> 00:33:14,178
Speaker 2: why he didn't leave. I'm saying, like, why he didn't

696
00:33:14,218 --> 00:33:16,378
Speaker 2: leave New England when he was here for ten years? Right? Okay?

697
00:33:16,418 --> 00:33:18,058
Speaker 2: And because he worked with Matt Well and look he

698
00:33:18,058 --> 00:33:19,778
Speaker 2: had succept from mac Jones and boom, he got hired

699
00:33:19,778 --> 00:33:24,498
Speaker 2: away even though he'd failed. So most offensive coordinators are

700
00:33:24,498 --> 00:33:26,658
Speaker 2: gonna go and get hired away. I think the whole

701
00:33:26,698 --> 00:33:31,058
Speaker 2: thing about Van Pelt's long term future, I don't know.

702
00:33:31,258 --> 00:33:32,818
Speaker 2: You can call us a cop out take if you want.

703
00:33:32,858 --> 00:33:35,178
Speaker 2: It's a little bit. I think it's irrelevant. I think

704
00:33:35,178 --> 00:33:37,138
Speaker 2: it's irrelevant. It's gonna work its way out one way

705
00:33:37,218 --> 00:33:40,538
Speaker 2: or the other. If he's so good that if there's

706
00:33:40,538 --> 00:33:42,018
Speaker 2: a chance he becomes so good that it's like, well,

707
00:33:42,018 --> 00:33:44,018
Speaker 2: we can't move on because he might be the perfect guy.

708
00:33:44,418 --> 00:33:46,818
Speaker 2: You're not gonna get to keep him because he's gonna

709
00:33:46,858 --> 00:33:49,138
Speaker 2: go be a head coach. I think the most important thing.

710
00:33:49,298 --> 00:33:51,018
Speaker 4: I think that people just not to cut you off.

711
00:33:51,058 --> 00:33:52,738
Speaker 4: But like I think people push back on that just

712
00:33:52,778 --> 00:33:56,098
Speaker 4: a little bit because of how long he's already been

713
00:33:56,138 --> 00:33:58,538
Speaker 4: in the league and sort of just kicked around, right, Like,

714
00:33:58,578 --> 00:34:02,818
Speaker 4: it's not he's not one of these like Ben Jhonson types.

715
00:34:03,018 --> 00:34:06,658
Speaker 2: Right, but this is his first time really running it. Yeah,

716
00:34:06,698 --> 00:34:08,857
Speaker 2: that's fair, Right, it's his first time, and there will

717
00:34:08,898 --> 00:34:12,258
Speaker 2: be teams that will look at it and say, you know,

718
00:34:12,297 --> 00:34:13,817
Speaker 2: most people might look at us say, you know, what,

719
00:34:14,297 --> 00:34:16,218
Speaker 2: he's been around, He's had his chance. It took too long.

720
00:34:16,498 --> 00:34:17,817
Speaker 2: You don't think there'll be win or two teams to

721
00:34:17,858 --> 00:34:19,658
Speaker 2: look at it and say what he did with Drake

722
00:34:19,698 --> 00:34:21,297
Speaker 2: May You know, in a couple of years they see

723
00:34:21,297 --> 00:34:23,698
Speaker 2: a prospect in the draft, well that that guy looks

724
00:34:23,738 --> 00:34:25,897
Speaker 2: like Drake May. Ye, if we bring Van Pelt in,

725
00:34:26,777 --> 00:34:28,977
Speaker 2: you know and bar them up. Like so, maybe it's

726
00:34:29,018 --> 00:34:31,498
Speaker 2: not this year. But I think the bigger question when

727
00:34:31,498 --> 00:34:33,578
Speaker 2: it comes to the offensive coordinator for the Patriots and

728
00:34:33,618 --> 00:34:36,977
Speaker 2: you've heard me say this before. Who's next one way

729
00:34:37,098 --> 00:34:40,218
Speaker 2: or the other? Who is next? Yeah, because last time

730
00:34:40,258 --> 00:34:42,777
Speaker 2: they got caught with their pants down. Josh McDaniels left,

731
00:34:42,778 --> 00:34:45,418
Speaker 2: He took most of the staff with them, and they

732
00:34:45,458 --> 00:34:47,618
Speaker 2: had no answer for who to go to. There was

733
00:34:47,618 --> 00:34:51,138
Speaker 2: no continuity on the offense side of the ball. That

734
00:34:51,498 --> 00:34:53,858
Speaker 2: is the bigger thing to me, because it's trending towards,

735
00:34:54,298 --> 00:34:59,058
Speaker 2: trending towards like a team. Regardless of the Patriots record.

736
00:35:00,218 --> 00:35:03,818
Speaker 2: We hear all this stuff externally from national media about

737
00:35:03,818 --> 00:35:07,138
Speaker 2: how highly regarded Drake May is. You don't think some

738
00:35:07,258 --> 00:35:09,138
Speaker 2: of that is leading to teams looking at Alex van

739
00:35:09,218 --> 00:35:13,658
Speaker 2: pelt and saying he got this guy going. It's possible.

740
00:35:13,698 --> 00:35:17,297
Speaker 2: You know, there's nothing these teams want more than a young,

741
00:35:18,338 --> 00:35:21,818
Speaker 2: upstart quarterback. What comes along with that a guy to

742
00:35:21,978 --> 00:35:23,898
Speaker 2: make sure the quarterback reaches that level.

743
00:35:24,058 --> 00:35:26,498
Speaker 4: Sure, I would just say the other thing I would mention,

744
00:35:26,498 --> 00:35:27,858
Speaker 4: I think we're on the same page with this with

745
00:35:27,898 --> 00:35:31,817
Speaker 4: the Alex van Pellett. I am really really wary of

746
00:35:32,418 --> 00:35:35,297
Speaker 4: changing systems on Drake May from year one to year

747
00:35:35,338 --> 00:35:39,778
Speaker 4: two too, because I'm this terrifies me, Like I'm really

748
00:35:40,618 --> 00:35:43,098
Speaker 4: you know, I'll go to the to the wall with

749
00:35:43,138 --> 00:35:46,938
Speaker 4: this because this is terrifying to me. The idea of

750
00:35:47,138 --> 00:35:53,218
Speaker 4: changing offensive systems on a quarterback that is trying to

751
00:35:53,298 --> 00:35:56,138
Speaker 4: develop some things that it is a little bit toolsy

752
00:35:56,218 --> 00:35:59,978
Speaker 4: and raw. He has enough to worry about with his

753
00:36:00,178 --> 00:36:04,297
Speaker 4: own process in terms of his feet and all that

754
00:36:04,378 --> 00:36:07,418
Speaker 4: kind of stuff. That to then come in and change

755
00:36:07,418 --> 00:36:10,218
Speaker 4: it up on him mentally on top of that and

756
00:36:10,338 --> 00:36:12,418
Speaker 4: have throw a curveball at him that he's in a

757
00:36:12,458 --> 00:36:16,778
Speaker 4: new system, I think is really really dangerous, really dangerous.

758
00:36:16,818 --> 00:36:20,018
Speaker 2: Like, well, that's what all my yeah, everything we talk

759
00:36:20,058 --> 00:36:22,297
Speaker 2: about the Jets and the Bears. If we get two

760
00:36:22,298 --> 00:36:25,258
Speaker 2: offensive coordinators in two years, two offensive coordinators in two

761
00:36:25,258 --> 00:36:29,138
Speaker 2: and a half months. Yeah, Like, you don't want to

762
00:36:29,178 --> 00:36:31,698
Speaker 2: be and I'm kind of stealing felt take here, don't

763
00:36:31,698 --> 00:36:34,338
Speaker 2: be one of those teams. Yeah, And they already did it.

764
00:36:34,938 --> 00:36:37,738
Speaker 2: Those teams they rush the quarterback out there and they

765
00:36:37,858 --> 00:36:39,978
Speaker 2: let him get his lights knocked out and all that

766
00:36:40,098 --> 00:36:42,937
Speaker 2: and develop bad habits and some guys are just above

767
00:36:42,978 --> 00:36:44,897
Speaker 2: it Jaden Daniels. But that's what a lot of bad

768
00:36:44,898 --> 00:36:47,298
Speaker 2: teams do. They rush these guys out there. The Patriots

769
00:36:47,298 --> 00:36:51,578
Speaker 2: were patient. Patience pays off when developing quarterback. There's not

770
00:36:51,738 --> 00:36:55,418
Speaker 2: enough patience in the NFL. And it's the same thing

771
00:36:55,458 --> 00:36:57,698
Speaker 2: with man Pelt patience. Let's see if he can develop

772
00:36:57,738 --> 00:36:59,818
Speaker 2: the offense. If he can, he's gonna leave anyway becausebody's

773
00:36:59,818 --> 00:37:01,818
Speaker 2: gonna hire him. And if not, then you move on

774
00:37:01,898 --> 00:37:03,418
Speaker 2: from then. But you don't need to rush the guy

775
00:37:03,418 --> 00:37:03,897
Speaker 2: out the door.

776
00:37:04,018 --> 00:37:07,978
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I would be really wary of changing systems

777
00:37:08,098 --> 00:37:11,058
Speaker 4: on Drake May. And we I'll give you an example,

778
00:37:11,098 --> 00:37:14,378
Speaker 4: Like we all think very highly of Brian Dable as

779
00:37:14,418 --> 00:37:17,777
Speaker 4: an offensive mine. I think that he's a really good

780
00:37:17,818 --> 00:37:22,178
Speaker 4: offensive coach. He developed Josh Allen, who's a very similar player,

781
00:37:22,898 --> 00:37:25,898
Speaker 4: Josh Allen two point zero right as Drake May.

782
00:37:26,298 --> 00:37:27,658
Speaker 2: Drake May one.

783
00:37:27,298 --> 00:37:32,538
Speaker 4: Okay, but Brian Dable is going back to the old system.

784
00:37:32,738 --> 00:37:36,978
Speaker 4: That's going back to the Josh McDaniels Bill O'Brien verbiage

785
00:37:36,978 --> 00:37:39,618
Speaker 4: in offense. The Patriots right now are in the West

786
00:37:39,658 --> 00:37:44,778
Speaker 4: Coast language. They're in the West Coast world mccarthyish offense.

787
00:37:44,858 --> 00:37:45,058
Speaker 2: Right.

788
00:37:45,138 --> 00:37:48,817
Speaker 4: So, like you're talking about, just to I always use

789
00:37:48,858 --> 00:37:52,418
Speaker 4: this comparison to try to make it simpler. You're basically

790
00:37:52,498 --> 00:37:56,498
Speaker 4: talking about going from speaking Italian to speaking Spanish. Like

791
00:37:56,578 --> 00:38:00,378
Speaker 4: you're still there's still some similarities, right, like it's still football.

792
00:38:00,498 --> 00:38:03,698
Speaker 4: We're not like you're not going and speaking Martian, right

793
00:38:03,738 --> 00:38:06,218
Speaker 4: like you're still you're still on planet Earth. But the

794
00:38:06,298 --> 00:38:08,978
Speaker 4: problem is is that they just are different languages, right,

795
00:38:09,058 --> 00:38:12,858
Speaker 4: Like they're just different. And I would just be really

796
00:38:12,898 --> 00:38:17,138
Speaker 4: really wary of We've built Drake May up to this point.

797
00:38:17,618 --> 00:38:22,218
Speaker 4: He is, according to some reports, even further along than

798
00:38:22,258 --> 00:38:25,138
Speaker 4: people in this building thought he would be. And now,

799
00:38:25,258 --> 00:38:27,738
Speaker 4: because we don't like the x's and o's, or we

800
00:38:27,778 --> 00:38:30,258
Speaker 4: don't like the scheme, or we don't like, you know,

801
00:38:30,298 --> 00:38:33,458
Speaker 4: the play calling on Sundays, we are going to throw

802
00:38:33,498 --> 00:38:35,978
Speaker 4: out the playbook and we're going to start from scratch,

803
00:38:36,058 --> 00:38:37,498
Speaker 4: and now we're going to change it on him in

804
00:38:37,578 --> 00:38:41,337
Speaker 4: year two, which is a very very important developmental year

805
00:38:41,378 --> 00:38:44,058
Speaker 4: for young quarterbacks. This is and I get that we

806
00:38:44,178 --> 00:38:48,298
Speaker 4: all now can see that Mac Jones had talent holes

807
00:38:48,458 --> 00:38:50,738
Speaker 4: in his game, like he just didn't have enough talent

808
00:38:50,858 --> 00:38:54,138
Speaker 4: in certain areas that were probably deal breakers for him

809
00:38:54,458 --> 00:38:58,098
Speaker 4: as an NFL starter. But going from Josh McDaniels to

810
00:38:58,138 --> 00:39:00,538
Speaker 4: Matt Patricia was a huge reason why we ended up

811
00:39:00,538 --> 00:39:02,498
Speaker 4: where we ended up with Matt Jones. Like let's not

812
00:39:02,538 --> 00:39:05,258
Speaker 4: lose sight of that fact. So we've seen it front

813
00:39:05,298 --> 00:39:08,418
Speaker 4: and center. So to your point with Van Pelt, my

814
00:39:08,538 --> 00:39:12,778
Speaker 4: big thing is is, let's let Van Pelt get Drake

815
00:39:12,858 --> 00:39:15,178
Speaker 4: May to be a finished product. Like when you feel

816
00:39:15,218 --> 00:39:19,458
Speaker 4: like Drake May is Tom Brady circa two thousand and

817
00:39:19,458 --> 00:39:22,418
Speaker 4: five with Charlie Weiss moving on and Josh McDaniel's taking over,

818
00:39:22,458 --> 00:39:24,618
Speaker 4: And I'm not talking about the success and all that.

819
00:39:24,698 --> 00:39:27,538
Speaker 4: I'm just talking about the timeline of the career. When

820
00:39:27,578 --> 00:39:30,338
Speaker 4: you think that he is at that point that you

821
00:39:30,578 --> 00:39:33,897
Speaker 4: feel like he is okay, we're past bust territory here

822
00:39:34,018 --> 00:39:37,777
Speaker 4: and he's unbreakable and we're good, then that is when

823
00:39:38,098 --> 00:39:40,297
Speaker 4: if you want to go out there and get an

824
00:39:40,298 --> 00:39:43,018
Speaker 4: innovator on the offensive side of the ball, and get

825
00:39:43,058 --> 00:39:48,378
Speaker 4: somebody that's gonna design sexy plays and call awesome offense

826
00:39:48,418 --> 00:39:52,658
Speaker 4: on Sundays and outwit people, you know, like a Shanahan

827
00:39:52,738 --> 00:39:55,538
Speaker 4: Tree guy or something like that, then have at it.

828
00:39:55,578 --> 00:39:58,338
Speaker 4: Go crazy, go get that guy. At that point, your

829
00:39:58,418 --> 00:40:01,938
Speaker 4: roster will be better, you'll be ready for be a contender.

830
00:40:02,458 --> 00:40:04,698
Speaker 4: Drake May will be ready to kind of take that

831
00:40:04,778 --> 00:40:07,818
Speaker 4: next step. And I've used the comp before, use it again.

832
00:40:08,218 --> 00:40:11,538
Speaker 4: You know, Greg Roman to Todd Monkin in Baltimore, right

833
00:40:11,618 --> 00:40:13,378
Speaker 4: like that sort of passing of the torch.

834
00:40:13,698 --> 00:40:14,338
Speaker 2: I'm all for it.

835
00:40:14,418 --> 00:40:16,817
Speaker 4: Don't do that from year one to year two like

836
00:40:16,898 --> 00:40:19,618
Speaker 4: and definitely don't do that because people on the outside

837
00:40:19,778 --> 00:40:23,218
Speaker 4: don't are saying that Alex van Pelt stinks, like, stay

838
00:40:23,498 --> 00:40:26,618
Speaker 4: to the course for right now. Let Alex van Pelt

839
00:40:26,698 --> 00:40:30,258
Speaker 4: develop the quarterback mechanically, Let him develop Drake May as

840
00:40:30,258 --> 00:40:32,777
Speaker 4: a QB in this league, and then we'll get to

841
00:40:32,818 --> 00:40:35,817
Speaker 4: the point in time in a year or two where

842
00:40:35,858 --> 00:40:38,857
Speaker 4: this roster is ready to compete, and that is when

843
00:40:38,898 --> 00:40:42,178
Speaker 4: you can go all in on your tight pants offensive coordinator.

844
00:40:42,338 --> 00:40:44,938
Speaker 4: I just I don't want to get too far ahead

845
00:40:44,938 --> 00:40:48,098
Speaker 4: of ourselves. And I really feel like Van Pelt is

846
00:40:48,138 --> 00:40:50,897
Speaker 4: the right guy for the job right now. That doesn't

847
00:40:50,938 --> 00:40:52,378
Speaker 4: mean he'll be the right guy for the job in

848
00:40:52,418 --> 00:40:55,258
Speaker 4: two years, but right now, at this moment, he's the

849
00:40:55,298 --> 00:40:58,018
Speaker 4: right guy for the job. Let's do three up, three down.

850
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Speaker 4: the New England Patriots, Tyota, let's go places and easy

857
00:41:17,498 --> 00:41:20,138
Speaker 4: to drink, easy to enjoy, but like the official beer

858
00:41:20,178 --> 00:41:22,618
Speaker 4: sponsor of the New England Patriots. All right, three up,

859
00:41:22,618 --> 00:41:24,218
Speaker 4: three down, Alex, here we go. What do you got

860
00:41:25,218 --> 00:41:25,978
Speaker 4: my first up?

861
00:41:26,618 --> 00:41:28,658
Speaker 2: And I think we disagree, And I don't put him

862
00:41:28,698 --> 00:41:31,578
Speaker 2: in order, but I think we disagre put them in order.

863
00:41:31,578 --> 00:41:34,138
Speaker 2: I don't understand the see order I think of him.

864
00:41:34,858 --> 00:41:37,898
Speaker 2: The running backs collectively, Ramondra, steven san Antonio, Gibson.

865
00:41:37,938 --> 00:41:39,818
Speaker 4: Okay, we're gonna have some We're gonna have an issue

866
00:41:39,818 --> 00:41:39,978
Speaker 4: with this.

867
00:41:40,058 --> 00:41:45,098
Speaker 2: All right, keep going. I thought Stevenson hadn't looked right.

868
00:41:45,258 --> 00:41:46,937
Speaker 2: He hadn't looked the same in the last few weeks.

869
00:41:46,938 --> 00:41:48,378
Speaker 2: I thought he ran really hard in this game. I

870
00:41:48,418 --> 00:41:51,098
Speaker 2: thought he's falling forward, not allowed on the first defender

871
00:41:51,138 --> 00:41:53,658
Speaker 2: to bring him down, picking up in yardage. Didn't break

872
00:41:53,658 --> 00:41:56,098
Speaker 2: any big runs or anything like that, but he just

873
00:41:56,178 --> 00:41:58,138
Speaker 2: looked more like the guy we saw early in the

874
00:41:58,138 --> 00:42:00,418
Speaker 2: season than we had in the immediate aftermath of that

875
00:42:00,458 --> 00:42:02,817
Speaker 2: foot injury, so I thought that was encouraging. And then

876
00:42:02,818 --> 00:42:05,777
Speaker 2: for Antonio Gibson, he should be playing a bigger role

877
00:42:05,818 --> 00:42:06,938
Speaker 2: to get in at the end of the game. He

878
00:42:06,978 --> 00:42:09,738
Speaker 2: had one solid drive. Also credits to the coaching staff

879
00:42:09,738 --> 00:42:14,178
Speaker 2: for kind of taking some managing Ramondre Stevenson's workload and

880
00:42:14,178 --> 00:42:16,817
Speaker 2: what was a physical game, Gibson allowing them to do

881
00:42:16,858 --> 00:42:19,818
Speaker 2: that by running the ball. Well. I liked what I

882
00:42:19,818 --> 00:42:20,618
Speaker 2: saw from those guys.

883
00:42:20,778 --> 00:42:24,058
Speaker 4: Okay, I went all defense because I feel like we

884
00:42:24,178 --> 00:42:25,897
Speaker 4: just talked a lot about the offense and I knew

885
00:42:25,898 --> 00:42:28,498
Speaker 4: that was gonna happen, so I went all defense.

886
00:42:28,858 --> 00:42:29,297
Speaker 2: Number one.

887
00:42:29,338 --> 00:42:31,738
Speaker 4: I really couldn't separate any of these guys, so I

888
00:42:31,818 --> 00:42:34,378
Speaker 4: just put the entire defensive line together. I thought they

889
00:42:34,378 --> 00:42:38,337
Speaker 4: were all stellar, excellent in this game. Jeremiah Farms out

890
00:42:38,338 --> 00:42:40,978
Speaker 4: of body experience, Like looked like Christian Barmore out there.

891
00:42:41,018 --> 00:42:42,218
Speaker 2: And we'll get to that in the second.

892
00:42:42,698 --> 00:42:46,538
Speaker 4: Three pressures, three stuffs, Jennings, seven quarterback pressures in this

893
00:42:46,578 --> 00:42:49,817
Speaker 4: game for Anthony Jennings, Keon White obviously in their two

894
00:42:49,938 --> 00:42:54,538
Speaker 4: five quarterback pressures four sacks combined. Out of those three

895
00:42:54,538 --> 00:42:56,777
Speaker 4: guys that I just mentioned, Dietrich Wise also had a

896
00:42:56,818 --> 00:42:59,178
Speaker 4: nice game in this one too. They control the line

897
00:42:59,218 --> 00:43:01,897
Speaker 4: of scrimmage. They dominated the line of scrimmage, pass rush,

898
00:43:01,978 --> 00:43:04,978
Speaker 4: run game. Much better against the run in this game too,

899
00:43:05,018 --> 00:43:06,658
Speaker 4: which I thought coming in was a little bit of

900
00:43:06,698 --> 00:43:09,018
Speaker 4: a concern because I thought, you know, DeAndre Swift is

901
00:43:09,058 --> 00:43:11,337
Speaker 4: a decent back and could have had himself a game

902
00:43:11,378 --> 00:43:13,538
Speaker 4: similar to what Tony Pollard had the week before.

903
00:43:14,058 --> 00:43:14,658
Speaker 2: Didn't happen.

904
00:43:14,858 --> 00:43:16,818
Speaker 4: They were fantastic up the middle in this game on

905
00:43:16,858 --> 00:43:19,218
Speaker 4: the defense, and you hope that that's, you know, go

906
00:43:19,258 --> 00:43:21,818
Speaker 4: back to the sustainability thing. You hope that some of

907
00:43:21,818 --> 00:43:24,138
Speaker 4: this can continue on. Like I think Jennings is this

908
00:43:24,298 --> 00:43:26,777
Speaker 4: guy now, I think that we're pretty close to that

909
00:43:26,818 --> 00:43:30,018
Speaker 4: being a regular thing. Keon White has always been this guy.

910
00:43:30,538 --> 00:43:32,458
Speaker 4: Then you get big number ninety back this week, and

911
00:43:32,858 --> 00:43:35,418
Speaker 4: maybe you are really starting to cook with that defensive line.

912
00:43:35,458 --> 00:43:39,658
Speaker 4: So significantly better, significantly improved performance from them. I thought

913
00:43:39,698 --> 00:43:40,778
Speaker 4: they dominated this game.

914
00:43:41,578 --> 00:43:44,138
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought that they And some of it again

915
00:43:44,338 --> 00:43:47,338
Speaker 2: was like that that Rams front and it's not the

916
00:43:47,418 --> 00:43:50,297
Speaker 2: Rams front, the Bears front being what it was. But yeah,

917
00:43:50,338 --> 00:43:52,258
Speaker 2: I had Farms, you know, the defensive front as a whole,

918
00:43:52,298 --> 00:43:54,378
Speaker 2: but I had Farms as a standout just because it

919
00:43:54,418 --> 00:43:56,858
Speaker 2: was so above and beyond from But Jennings a good

920
00:43:56,898 --> 00:43:59,458
Speaker 2: one too, because he's been primarily run player. Yeah, and

921
00:43:59,498 --> 00:44:01,378
Speaker 2: if he can give him some help as a pass rusher,

922
00:44:01,458 --> 00:44:03,298
Speaker 2: especially you know, you got Yannik and Gokway on the

923
00:44:03,338 --> 00:44:06,378
Speaker 2: other side. Now, I'm sure we'll get to him. It

924
00:44:06,458 --> 00:44:09,418
Speaker 2: adds something to the defense. Yeah, absolutely, all right, So

925
00:44:09,538 --> 00:44:11,818
Speaker 2: that was that number two for you. I can be

926
00:44:11,858 --> 00:44:14,218
Speaker 2: sure you, yeah, all right, Number two for me.

927
00:44:15,098 --> 00:44:17,498
Speaker 4: I give a shout out to one of the new

928
00:44:17,538 --> 00:44:20,578
Speaker 4: dads on this team right now, Jolanie Devai. I thought

929
00:44:20,578 --> 00:44:22,738
Speaker 4: he was excellent in this game though. This was his

930
00:44:22,778 --> 00:44:25,258
Speaker 4: best game of the year, unlike the game in Tennessee,

931
00:44:25,338 --> 00:44:27,897
Speaker 4: where he did make some splash plays, but I also

932
00:44:27,938 --> 00:44:30,578
Speaker 4: thought he gave up some plays in that game again

933
00:44:30,698 --> 00:44:33,058
Speaker 4: the Titans. I thought this game he was just good, good,

934
00:44:33,338 --> 00:44:37,258
Speaker 4: like all across the board, sac hurry stuff, pass, break up,

935
00:44:37,458 --> 00:44:39,418
Speaker 4: really nice play to get in the passing lane on

936
00:44:39,418 --> 00:44:42,458
Speaker 4: his zone drop there. And he did play a little bit,

937
00:44:42,538 --> 00:44:44,658
Speaker 4: you know, along with Schooler and sort of like a

938
00:44:44,698 --> 00:44:47,378
Speaker 4: spy low hole type of role off the line of

939
00:44:47,458 --> 00:44:49,777
Speaker 4: scrimmage a little bit dropping out of the rush. And

940
00:44:49,818 --> 00:44:51,817
Speaker 4: I thought he had a couple of really stand out

941
00:44:51,858 --> 00:44:54,898
Speaker 4: plays doing that. He had one ended up being a

942
00:44:54,938 --> 00:44:57,538
Speaker 4: target on Christian Gonzales to DJ Moore. The one there,

943
00:44:57,618 --> 00:44:59,738
Speaker 4: he pushed him off. Dj Moore pushed him off of

944
00:44:59,778 --> 00:45:02,338
Speaker 4: him at the end of the play. But Jelanie Devai

945
00:45:02,498 --> 00:45:04,698
Speaker 4: starts in the middle of the field, takes away to

946
00:45:04,778 --> 00:45:07,098
Speaker 4: read in the middle of the field, and then chases

947
00:45:07,698 --> 00:45:10,578
Speaker 4: Caleb Williams all the way across the field, going to

948
00:45:10,698 --> 00:45:14,018
Speaker 4: Caleb Williams's left to pressure the quarterback and force that

949
00:45:14,138 --> 00:45:15,978
Speaker 4: throw to be a little bit quicker than I'm sure

950
00:45:16,018 --> 00:45:18,658
Speaker 4: Caleb wanted it to be. So Tavai I thought was

951
00:45:18,698 --> 00:45:19,538
Speaker 4: everywhere in this game.

952
00:45:19,578 --> 00:45:22,058
Speaker 2: He was excellent. Yeah, well you mentioned Schooler. I had

953
00:45:22,138 --> 00:45:24,218
Speaker 2: him as another one. Yeah, I mean that that Longhorn

954
00:45:24,258 --> 00:45:27,178
Speaker 2: package was awesome. Yeah, something that maybe not this week

955
00:45:27,178 --> 00:45:31,018
Speaker 2: against Matthew Stafford, but the TUA looks like Anthony Richardson

956
00:45:31,018 --> 00:45:33,458
Speaker 2: in a couple of weeks. Obviously still Josh Allen twice

957
00:45:33,498 --> 00:45:36,418
Speaker 2: like that's something that should come back, and DeMarcus Covington

958
00:45:36,458 --> 00:45:38,098
Speaker 2: kind of talked about it today. The skill sets that

959
00:45:38,138 --> 00:45:41,618
Speaker 2: you use on special teams, finding the right angle, closing space,

960
00:45:41,738 --> 00:45:45,777
Speaker 2: narrowing the gap, finishing tackles in space. That's essentially what

961
00:45:45,818 --> 00:45:48,378
Speaker 2: he's doing in that role, and especially for a team

962
00:45:48,418 --> 00:45:50,297
Speaker 2: that doesn't have a lot of speeded linebacker. You look

963
00:45:50,298 --> 00:45:52,138
Speaker 2: at the guys that were supposed to play East West,

964
00:45:52,498 --> 00:45:55,098
Speaker 2: Juwan Bentley's hurt ray Qwan McMillan didn't work out with

965
00:45:55,178 --> 00:45:59,018
Speaker 2: him having school Do that makes some sense? Yeah?

966
00:45:59,138 --> 00:46:01,297
Speaker 4: Yeah, I thought it was great too. I didn't put

967
00:46:01,298 --> 00:46:03,218
Speaker 4: it here because I figured we'd talk about it anyways,

968
00:46:03,618 --> 00:46:05,018
Speaker 4: but I thought it was great. I'm going to write

969
00:46:05,058 --> 00:46:06,978
Speaker 4: about sort of the origins of that and how it

970
00:46:07,058 --> 00:46:10,777
Speaker 4: started with Jonathan Jones against Lamar Jackson and things like that,

971
00:46:10,898 --> 00:46:13,738
Speaker 4: and I just I thought that that was a really

972
00:46:13,858 --> 00:46:15,658
Speaker 4: you know, we talked about this a lot, like what's

973
00:46:15,698 --> 00:46:19,978
Speaker 4: this coaching staff done that was innovative or forward thinking

974
00:46:20,258 --> 00:46:23,498
Speaker 4: or just to put it as simply as I possibly can,

975
00:46:23,818 --> 00:46:26,538
Speaker 4: just something cool, right that they did schematically where I

976
00:46:26,538 --> 00:46:29,058
Speaker 4: could sit here a little wrinkle, Yeah, oh, nice wrinkle

977
00:46:29,098 --> 00:46:32,218
Speaker 4: there by Mayo or nice rink there by AVP. The

978
00:46:32,218 --> 00:46:35,418
Speaker 4: Schooler package was a really nice wrinkle by this coaching staff.

979
00:46:35,458 --> 00:46:37,818
Speaker 4: And that brings me to my third up, which was

980
00:46:38,538 --> 00:46:41,658
Speaker 4: both Christian Gonzalez and Marcus Jones. I thought were just

981
00:46:41,858 --> 00:46:44,538
Speaker 4: suffocating in coverage in this game. For the most part,

982
00:46:44,818 --> 00:46:46,978
Speaker 4: the two of those guys gave up three catches for

983
00:46:47,058 --> 00:46:49,778
Speaker 4: thirty nine yards and twenty five dropbacks in man to

984
00:46:49,858 --> 00:46:53,777
Speaker 4: man coverage. Like that is locking it down on the outside,

985
00:46:53,818 --> 00:46:56,618
Speaker 4: and you can tell that they can cover in man.

986
00:46:56,658 --> 00:46:58,698
Speaker 4: This group can cover in man with the best of them.

987
00:46:58,978 --> 00:47:01,538
Speaker 4: They're one of the best man coverage defenses in the NFL.

988
00:47:02,058 --> 00:47:03,978
Speaker 4: But in order to do that, you need to have

989
00:47:04,018 --> 00:47:06,018
Speaker 4: the pass rush to marry up to it, and you

990
00:47:06,098 --> 00:47:08,618
Speaker 4: have to have somebody accounting for the quarterback. So that's

991
00:47:08,658 --> 00:47:11,218
Speaker 4: where the schooler thing comes into play. If you know

992
00:47:11,338 --> 00:47:14,297
Speaker 4: you're really good man coverage defense and you're gonna live

993
00:47:14,338 --> 00:47:16,898
Speaker 4: a lot in man coverage, well you have to figure

994
00:47:16,938 --> 00:47:20,178
Speaker 4: out ways to then protect yourself to problem solve against

995
00:47:20,218 --> 00:47:22,538
Speaker 4: the certain things that could be an issue, like a

996
00:47:22,858 --> 00:47:25,578
Speaker 4: running quarterback against man to man, right, like, that's going

997
00:47:25,618 --> 00:47:28,258
Speaker 4: to be a potential problem. So they problem solved. That

998
00:47:28,378 --> 00:47:31,618
Speaker 4: was schooler. Like, that's really good coaching, really good game

999
00:47:31,658 --> 00:47:35,578
Speaker 4: planning by Mayo and DeMarcus Covington. But just in terms

1000
00:47:35,658 --> 00:47:38,618
Speaker 4: of like what can this defense handing gets had on,

1001
00:47:38,778 --> 00:47:43,178
Speaker 4: what's the identity of this Patriots defense. It is absolutely

1002
00:47:43,218 --> 00:47:46,417
Speaker 4: this secondary playing man to man coverage, they can lock

1003
00:47:46,618 --> 00:47:51,778
Speaker 4: up even a really good deep receiver room like the Bears,

1004
00:47:52,298 --> 00:47:53,978
Speaker 4: and I think they're gonna do it again against the

1005
00:47:54,058 --> 00:47:55,938
Speaker 4: Rams a little bit on Sunday too, And we'll get

1006
00:47:55,978 --> 00:47:59,777
Speaker 4: to that. They are an elite man coverage defense right now.

1007
00:47:59,818 --> 00:48:02,978
Speaker 4: And they have a really good corner in Christian Gonzalez,

1008
00:48:03,018 --> 00:48:05,938
Speaker 4: who ten weeks into the season is a Pro Bowl

1009
00:48:06,378 --> 00:48:08,738
Speaker 4: level corner, maybe even an all Pro level corner. I

1010
00:48:08,738 --> 00:48:12,698
Speaker 4: should say, like him and Pat Sertan and Like Stingley

1011
00:48:12,778 --> 00:48:14,698
Speaker 4: are like probably the three best corners in the league

1012
00:48:14,778 --> 00:48:17,658
Speaker 4: right now in terms of like target based metrics, you know,

1013
00:48:17,778 --> 00:48:21,178
Speaker 4: cut completion percentage allowed and yards per target and things

1014
00:48:21,218 --> 00:48:23,458
Speaker 4: like that. Gonzales is right near the top of the

1015
00:48:23,538 --> 00:48:26,178
Speaker 4: league and all those metrics, and I think he's been fantastic.

1016
00:48:26,698 --> 00:48:31,778
Speaker 2: Yeah anyway, anyway, Yeah, a couple more. Austin Hooper, Yeah,

1017
00:48:31,938 --> 00:48:34,658
Speaker 2: good game, good game that that first catch was awesome,

1018
00:48:34,698 --> 00:48:37,738
Speaker 2: went up, made a play. And then Kashan Boody because

1019
00:48:37,738 --> 00:48:40,138
Speaker 2: he clearly has chemistry with Drake May at this point,

1020
00:48:40,178 --> 00:48:42,458
Speaker 2: and he was the most used receiver. He played all

1021
00:48:42,498 --> 00:48:44,738
Speaker 2: but two of their snaps like super involved role for him,

1022
00:48:45,178 --> 00:48:47,378
Speaker 2: and he just he continues to earn more. He continues

1023
00:48:47,378 --> 00:48:48,698
Speaker 2: to earn more, and they shoul keep giving it to him.

1024
00:48:48,698 --> 00:48:50,738
Speaker 2: He's been good. Yeah, I almost put Hooper on here,

1025
00:48:50,778 --> 00:48:52,338
Speaker 2: but I decided to just give all the love to

1026
00:48:52,378 --> 00:48:55,058
Speaker 2: the defense. But yeah, Hooper was really good in this game.

1027
00:48:55,098 --> 00:48:57,897
Speaker 2: And I also thought Henry Hunter Henry really good run

1028
00:48:57,938 --> 00:49:00,458
Speaker 2: blocking game for him, really strong in the run game,

1029
00:49:00,898 --> 00:49:03,018
Speaker 2: and that area of his game has come a long

1030
00:49:03,098 --> 00:49:06,378
Speaker 2: long way since when the Patriots signed him from the Chargers.

1031
00:49:06,418 --> 00:49:08,698
Speaker 2: Like he's not prime Gronk or anything like that in

1032
00:49:08,738 --> 00:49:11,058
Speaker 2: the run game, but he's now a plus run blocker

1033
00:49:11,298 --> 00:49:13,658
Speaker 2: and I didn't feel that way when they made that signing,

1034
00:49:13,938 --> 00:49:16,018
Speaker 2: or really his first year here in New England. He's

1035
00:49:16,018 --> 00:49:18,938
Speaker 2: gotten a lot better in that regard, so kudos to

1036
00:49:19,018 --> 00:49:21,898
Speaker 2: him for that. I thought that he had a sneaky,

1037
00:49:21,978 --> 00:49:24,058
Speaker 2: really good game despite the fact that he only had

1038
00:49:24,058 --> 00:49:26,778
Speaker 2: one catch. So between those two tight ends, the production

1039
00:49:26,858 --> 00:49:29,538
Speaker 2: there was really good. Yeah, all right to the downs.

1040
00:49:29,938 --> 00:49:32,818
Speaker 2: Number one. A're gonna hate this probably Drake may No,

1041
00:49:33,098 --> 00:49:36,138
Speaker 2: I like, just for that interception was so bad. Yeah,

1042
00:49:36,178 --> 00:49:38,297
Speaker 2: it was when you look at I think he just

1043
00:49:38,298 --> 00:49:41,698
Speaker 2: got he was overthinking so if you watch his feet

1044
00:49:41,778 --> 00:49:45,338
Speaker 2: on that play, he's rolling to the right. Yeah, and

1045
00:49:46,458 --> 00:49:48,418
Speaker 2: he I think he has time, like he should have

1046
00:49:48,458 --> 00:49:51,258
Speaker 2: time to set and he's probably gonna get hit, but

1047
00:49:51,258 --> 00:49:52,698
Speaker 2: it's gonna be after he throws the ball. And again

1048
00:49:52,738 --> 00:49:55,258
Speaker 2: he's just trying to throw it away. And he can

1049
00:49:55,338 --> 00:49:58,498
Speaker 2: either set and throw or do like a full throw

1050
00:49:58,538 --> 00:50:00,978
Speaker 2: on the run where you actually use your momentum to

1051
00:50:01,018 --> 00:50:03,138
Speaker 2: like throw the ball and all that. Instead, what he

1052
00:50:03,178 --> 00:50:06,098
Speaker 2: does he like half sets. He looks to his left,

1053
00:50:06,138 --> 00:50:09,218
Speaker 2: there's a defender there who's blocked but kind of close.

1054
00:50:09,978 --> 00:50:13,738
Speaker 2: He half sets, sees the defender, goes into this like

1055
00:50:13,778 --> 00:50:17,098
Speaker 2: little shuffle, and then throws a jump pass. Yeah, And

1056
00:50:17,138 --> 00:50:20,138
Speaker 2: it was just arm, nothing else on it. And I

1057
00:50:20,138 --> 00:50:21,738
Speaker 2: didn't think it was a throwaway because he has the

1058
00:50:21,858 --> 00:50:23,978
Speaker 2: arms thing to get that ball, as Alexan Pelt said

1059
00:50:23,978 --> 00:50:27,218
Speaker 2: today to the Tube of Players four throw, But it

1060
00:50:27,338 --> 00:50:29,978
Speaker 2: was just that you can see there was way too

1061
00:50:30,018 --> 00:50:32,858
Speaker 2: much going on upstairs during that play. There was so

1062
00:50:33,138 --> 00:50:34,898
Speaker 2: many things that he was factoring and was just like

1063
00:50:34,978 --> 00:50:37,258
Speaker 2: dude hucked the ball in the stands. At first, I

1064
00:50:37,258 --> 00:50:38,738
Speaker 2: thought maybe he was trying to lob it over the

1065
00:50:38,778 --> 00:50:40,578
Speaker 2: line backer tight end, but.

1066
00:50:40,738 --> 00:50:43,658
Speaker 4: I wonder if he so he did peek. I saw that, yeah,

1067
00:50:43,698 --> 00:50:45,578
Speaker 4: and I do wonder if he was going to try

1068
00:50:45,578 --> 00:50:49,098
Speaker 4: to run and then he like in right in in between,

1069
00:50:49,138 --> 00:50:50,858
Speaker 4: he sort of thought better of it, and then he

1070
00:50:50,898 --> 00:50:52,338
Speaker 4: was just like I'm just gonna flick it and it

1071
00:50:52,418 --> 00:50:53,458
Speaker 4: just didn't go far enough.

1072
00:50:53,498 --> 00:50:55,458
Speaker 2: Well whatever, it was like too much going through. This

1073
00:50:55,618 --> 00:50:58,138
Speaker 2: has a bad pick. That was a bad bad pick.

1074
00:50:58,298 --> 00:51:00,498
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I had Drake may On here too. I

1075
00:51:00,498 --> 00:51:02,178
Speaker 4: had them as three not one, but you don't put

1076
00:51:02,178 --> 00:51:04,938
Speaker 4: them in order for whatever reason, So I had Drake

1077
00:51:04,978 --> 00:51:09,098
Speaker 4: Mayon here too. I just feel like the pick. I

1078
00:51:09,538 --> 00:51:12,777
Speaker 4: can live with picks where like he's trying to fit

1079
00:51:12,818 --> 00:51:15,538
Speaker 4: the ball into a tight window and it's a smart decision,

1080
00:51:15,618 --> 00:51:18,218
Speaker 4: and like the throat at Pop Douglas against Houston where

1081
00:51:18,218 --> 00:51:20,817
Speaker 4: he just threw it, he just airmails it. If he's

1082
00:51:20,938 --> 00:51:23,058
Speaker 4: making the right reads and the right decision and then

1083
00:51:23,058 --> 00:51:25,378
Speaker 4: he just has a moment where he just has a

1084
00:51:25,418 --> 00:51:28,298
Speaker 4: bad thrown. You can live with those, Like every quarterback

1085
00:51:28,338 --> 00:51:30,417
Speaker 4: throws picks. It's not like he's never gonna throw an interest.

1086
00:51:31,058 --> 00:51:33,938
Speaker 4: So I can live with those, but not to pick

1087
00:51:33,938 --> 00:51:36,218
Speaker 4: on them like the mac Jones picks, I can't live

1088
00:51:36,258 --> 00:51:38,897
Speaker 4: with like the ones that are just like this one

1089
00:51:38,938 --> 00:51:41,658
Speaker 4: and against Chicago are the one the week before on

1090
00:51:41,738 --> 00:51:43,938
Speaker 4: third down against Tennessee where he throws it right to

1091
00:51:43,938 --> 00:51:46,578
Speaker 4: Amani Hooker, like you just we can't have those like

1092
00:51:46,618 --> 00:51:48,938
Speaker 4: those have to go away. And this is like the

1093
00:51:48,938 --> 00:51:51,817
Speaker 4: inflection point to me with Drake May is if he's

1094
00:51:51,858 --> 00:51:54,337
Speaker 4: gonna be consistent enough not to just be good, because

1095
00:51:54,338 --> 00:51:56,538
Speaker 4: I think he's already good, right, Like, if he's gonna

1096
00:51:56,538 --> 00:51:59,458
Speaker 4: be consistent enough to be great, Like these types of

1097
00:51:59,498 --> 00:52:02,178
Speaker 4: turnover where he plays have to be diminished, Like he

1098
00:52:02,298 --> 00:52:04,538
Speaker 4: just has to get these out of his system. And

1099
00:52:04,578 --> 00:52:06,418
Speaker 4: I asked Van Pelt about it today and he made

1100
00:52:06,458 --> 00:52:09,178
Speaker 4: the tube of player joke, which I liked. I gonna

1101
00:52:09,178 --> 00:52:11,938
Speaker 4: steal that line. And then he also said that let's

1102
00:52:12,018 --> 00:52:14,938
Speaker 4: chalk these up for now to rookie mistakes. But we're

1103
00:52:14,978 --> 00:52:18,738
Speaker 4: five starts into it now, and at some point those

1104
00:52:18,738 --> 00:52:21,698
Speaker 4: things are no longer gonna be considered rookie mistakes. To me, like,

1105
00:52:21,778 --> 00:52:24,618
Speaker 4: I don't think I'm there quite yet, but like, give

1106
00:52:24,618 --> 00:52:26,458
Speaker 4: it a couple more starts and it's not gonna get

1107
00:52:26,458 --> 00:52:27,817
Speaker 4: to the point where it's like we have to get

1108
00:52:27,898 --> 00:52:28,258
Speaker 4: rid of them.

1109
00:52:28,338 --> 00:52:29,937
Speaker 2: This is one where like if he throws another pick

1110
00:52:29,978 --> 00:52:31,978
Speaker 2: like this this week, next week, whatever, like, then you

1111
00:52:32,058 --> 00:52:34,898
Speaker 2: become really worried about it because okay, like it happened,

1112
00:52:34,898 --> 00:52:36,777
Speaker 2: and Van pelt it too, Like that's when that'll haunt

1113
00:52:36,858 --> 00:52:39,178
Speaker 2: him for the rest of the year. Good. Yeah, good,

1114
00:52:39,298 --> 00:52:41,418
Speaker 2: learn lesson learned, don't do it again. If he starts

1115
00:52:41,418 --> 00:52:42,978
Speaker 2: doing it again, it's like, all right, what part of

1116
00:52:43,018 --> 00:52:44,938
Speaker 2: the message isn't getting through? Yeah.

1117
00:52:44,938 --> 00:52:47,178
Speaker 4: The other thing I thought that was a problem for

1118
00:52:47,258 --> 00:52:51,378
Speaker 4: him in this game was just running around and create

1119
00:52:51,458 --> 00:52:55,417
Speaker 4: creating pressure, but also be just taking off from clean

1120
00:52:55,498 --> 00:52:58,618
Speaker 4: pockets when he didn't necessarily have to. And I think

1121
00:52:58,658 --> 00:53:02,458
Speaker 4: this is sort of a side effect to the fact

1122
00:53:02,498 --> 00:53:05,138
Speaker 4: that he has been so successful with his legs that

1123
00:53:05,258 --> 00:53:07,338
Speaker 4: now every single time he sees an open gap in

1124
00:53:07,378 --> 00:53:09,578
Speaker 4: the line of scrimmage, he's just taken off, right, like

1125
00:53:09,618 --> 00:53:12,058
Speaker 4: he just I'm just gonna pick this up. So the

1126
00:53:12,098 --> 00:53:15,978
Speaker 4: one that really I thought was was was tough was

1127
00:53:16,618 --> 00:53:19,618
Speaker 4: third down early in the game in the red zone,

1128
00:53:19,658 --> 00:53:22,178
Speaker 4: and he scrambles on third and five and only picked

1129
00:53:22,218 --> 00:53:24,978
Speaker 4: up four yards. And if you watch that play back

1130
00:53:25,018 --> 00:53:28,858
Speaker 4: on the film, he's got at least two open receivers

1131
00:53:29,018 --> 00:53:32,218
Speaker 4: on the film, maybe even open Hunter Henry for a

1132
00:53:32,298 --> 00:53:34,658
Speaker 4: touchdown up the seam. If he just stays in the

1133
00:53:34,698 --> 00:53:37,578
Speaker 4: pocket and plays quarterback from the pocket and just makes

1134
00:53:37,618 --> 00:53:40,378
Speaker 4: the throw, it's a clean pocket. He just sees the

1135
00:53:40,418 --> 00:53:42,578
Speaker 4: gap open up in front of him, and he just

1136
00:53:42,618 --> 00:53:45,658
Speaker 4: can't help himself. It's just so inviting that he just

1137
00:53:45,698 --> 00:53:47,777
Speaker 4: takes it. And he left a lot of plays on

1138
00:53:47,818 --> 00:53:50,178
Speaker 4: the field in this game. I thought doing that, or

1139
00:53:50,258 --> 00:53:53,618
Speaker 4: even plays like the throw to Hunter Henry, the one

1140
00:53:53,698 --> 00:53:55,738
Speaker 4: catch he had in the game, Like you don't need

1141
00:53:55,778 --> 00:53:57,738
Speaker 4: to run up into the line of scrimmage and throw

1142
00:53:57,778 --> 00:54:00,138
Speaker 4: the ball like that. Again, I think he was trying

1143
00:54:00,178 --> 00:54:02,378
Speaker 4: to run and then the latter of the last second,

1144
00:54:02,418 --> 00:54:05,018
Speaker 4: he saw Hunter Henry kind of flash open on the

1145
00:54:05,098 --> 00:54:07,178
Speaker 4: left sideline and so he just threw the ended up

1146
00:54:07,218 --> 00:54:10,178
Speaker 4: throwing the ball. But we've talked about this before, like

1147
00:54:10,258 --> 00:54:12,817
Speaker 4: don't take five steps when two steps will do right

1148
00:54:12,858 --> 00:54:15,138
Speaker 4: when you're in the pocket as a quarterback, and I

1149
00:54:15,178 --> 00:54:16,777
Speaker 4: thought in this game there was a lot of that

1150
00:54:16,938 --> 00:54:20,298
Speaker 4: going on, whether it was leaving early or moving into pressure,

1151
00:54:20,658 --> 00:54:23,618
Speaker 4: or just making things harder on himself than he needed

1152
00:54:23,658 --> 00:54:26,218
Speaker 4: to do. That was the big reason why I had

1153
00:54:26,258 --> 00:54:29,098
Speaker 4: this as a down game for him, not necessarily the pick,

1154
00:54:29,178 --> 00:54:31,498
Speaker 4: because I'm willing to chalk that up to just let's

1155
00:54:31,498 --> 00:54:34,258
Speaker 4: have that never happen again. But some of the other things,

1156
00:54:34,378 --> 00:54:36,458
Speaker 4: especially early on in this film that he did, I

1157
00:54:36,538 --> 00:54:38,938
Speaker 4: just thought we're making it tougher on himself than it

1158
00:54:38,978 --> 00:54:40,258
Speaker 4: needed to be sure.

1159
00:54:40,418 --> 00:54:43,858
Speaker 2: Number two kJ Osborne, Yeah, I just think to get

1160
00:54:44,138 --> 00:54:45,818
Speaker 2: the bigger role that he had, he hadn't played in

1161
00:54:45,858 --> 00:54:48,818
Speaker 2: a few weeks, comes back as active he played. He

1162
00:54:48,898 --> 00:54:51,698
Speaker 2: technically played the second most naps among wide receivers, but

1163
00:54:51,738 --> 00:54:53,658
Speaker 2: most of those were on like Pop Douglas played the

1164
00:54:53,698 --> 00:54:56,218
Speaker 2: third most, but Pop played more passing plays than he did.

1165
00:54:56,258 --> 00:54:58,777
Speaker 2: But yeah, to get that bigger role and he did

1166
00:54:58,818 --> 00:55:00,738
Speaker 2: nothing with it. You know, we had that one play

1167
00:55:00,738 --> 00:55:03,378
Speaker 2: it would have been an unbelievable throw by Drake May

1168
00:55:03,458 --> 00:55:06,218
Speaker 2: but but Osborne stepped out of bounds in the end zone.

1169
00:55:06,258 --> 00:55:09,258
Speaker 2: There it whatever, that was the end of the Is

1170
00:55:09,298 --> 00:55:11,417
Speaker 2: that the end of the first quarter, in the first half,

1171
00:55:11,458 --> 00:55:14,858
Speaker 2: in the first half, like I just I thought there

1172
00:55:14,938 --> 00:55:17,098
Speaker 2: was an opportunity for him, and he wasn't able to

1173
00:55:17,098 --> 00:55:19,258
Speaker 2: make the most of it. So in a room that's

1174
00:55:19,258 --> 00:55:21,258
Speaker 2: as competitive as the wide receiver room is, right now,

1175
00:55:21,258 --> 00:55:22,658
Speaker 2: that's a that's a missed opportunity.

1176
00:55:22,778 --> 00:55:26,058
Speaker 4: Yeah, I couldn't agree more. I I don't really understand

1177
00:55:26,258 --> 00:55:30,218
Speaker 4: the I understand. I shouldn't say I don't because I

1178
00:55:30,218 --> 00:55:33,218
Speaker 4: do understand that Kendrick Born right now is making a

1179
00:55:33,258 --> 00:55:36,378
Speaker 4: lot of mistakes, whether it's mental errors in terms of

1180
00:55:36,458 --> 00:55:38,578
Speaker 4: routes and like where he's supposed to be and lining

1181
00:55:38,698 --> 00:55:42,818
Speaker 4: up or drops penalties, Like it's a lot of mistakes.

1182
00:55:43,498 --> 00:55:46,098
Speaker 4: But when you have an offense that is like this,

1183
00:55:46,258 --> 00:55:48,418
Speaker 4: that doesn't have a ton of talent and doesn't have

1184
00:55:48,458 --> 00:55:50,738
Speaker 4: a ton of talent at the skill positions in particular,

1185
00:55:51,098 --> 00:55:54,738
Speaker 4: like taking your best separator off the field for probably

1186
00:55:54,778 --> 00:55:57,738
Speaker 4: your worst separator, and kJ Osborne is just a choice,

1187
00:55:57,778 --> 00:56:00,418
Speaker 4: Like it's that is what it is, Like I get it.

1188
00:56:00,498 --> 00:56:03,297
Speaker 4: kJ Osborne knows how to run the route correctly, and

1189
00:56:03,338 --> 00:56:05,858
Speaker 4: maybe there's something to that, But there's also something to

1190
00:56:05,898 --> 00:56:07,978
Speaker 4: the fact that Kendrick Born can actually get open. So

1191
00:56:08,178 --> 00:56:10,498
Speaker 4: like you have to weigh those pros and cons and

1192
00:56:10,578 --> 00:56:13,218
Speaker 4: I definitely hope that Kendrick Bourne is back in the

1193
00:56:13,258 --> 00:56:15,297
Speaker 4: mix this week, Like if this was a one week

1194
00:56:15,338 --> 00:56:17,218
Speaker 4: thing to kind of prove a point, like if you're

1195
00:56:17,258 --> 00:56:18,978
Speaker 4: not gonna get in the playbook and you're not gonna

1196
00:56:19,058 --> 00:56:22,258
Speaker 4: like understand how our system is run and things like that,

1197
00:56:22,538 --> 00:56:24,898
Speaker 4: then you're not gonna play. Then I guess I can

1198
00:56:24,938 --> 00:56:27,498
Speaker 4: live with that. But it does worry me with Kendrick

1199
00:56:27,498 --> 00:56:30,218
Speaker 4: Born because I said this on PU this is now

1200
00:56:30,258 --> 00:56:33,498
Speaker 4: his third coaching staff here in New England that hasn't

1201
00:56:33,578 --> 00:56:36,618
Speaker 4: loved that side of it with him. It's not the

1202
00:56:36,778 --> 00:56:39,378
Speaker 4: diva stuff like, it's not the in social media and

1203
00:56:39,418 --> 00:56:43,178
Speaker 4: all that. It's just grasping the concepts in the playbook.

1204
00:56:43,258 --> 00:56:46,498
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know that the Patricia year that one felt.

1205
00:56:47,178 --> 00:56:49,817
Speaker 2: It was after that fight in camp that one fell personal, right,

1206
00:56:49,858 --> 00:56:52,138
Speaker 2: But you have Patricia.

1207
00:56:52,298 --> 00:56:56,298
Speaker 4: I think he won O'Brien over eventually because he was

1208
00:56:56,338 --> 00:56:58,258
Speaker 4: just too damn good to take him off the field last.

1209
00:56:58,458 --> 00:57:00,218
Speaker 2: That's what should happen, that's what you should be based on,

1210
00:57:00,298 --> 00:57:01,418
Speaker 2: put your best players out there.

1211
00:57:01,458 --> 00:57:03,738
Speaker 4: But I don't think it started that way with O'Brien.

1212
00:57:03,938 --> 00:57:06,978
Speaker 4: With him and now AVP doesn't seem to feel like

1213
00:57:07,018 --> 00:57:09,178
Speaker 4: he's grasping it either. So like it just feels like

1214
00:57:09,218 --> 00:57:11,858
Speaker 4: three different guys on the coaching staff in three different

1215
00:57:11,898 --> 00:57:14,897
Speaker 4: years have ended up at some point in the same place.

1216
00:57:14,938 --> 00:57:16,898
Speaker 4: With Kendrick Porn, I guess I just look at it.

1217
00:57:16,938 --> 00:57:19,218
Speaker 4: In all three of those years, the offense was better

1218
00:57:19,258 --> 00:57:20,418
Speaker 4: when Kendrick Porne was involved.

1219
00:57:20,418 --> 00:57:23,698
Speaker 2: Agreed. I'm not saying that I agree. I just from

1220
00:57:23,778 --> 00:57:25,378
Speaker 2: I'm trying to explain it, you know, like from a

1221
00:57:25,418 --> 00:57:28,538
Speaker 2: coaching standpoint, like what these guys are seeing? All right? Anyways,

1222
00:57:28,858 --> 00:57:31,178
Speaker 2: Uh number two or not? Really?

1223
00:57:31,218 --> 00:57:33,258
Speaker 4: I had Drake as three, So this was actually my

1224
00:57:33,338 --> 00:57:36,578
Speaker 4: number one. Mike onn Winnhill. I thought he was just

1225
00:57:36,618 --> 00:57:40,138
Speaker 4: okay in this game, and as the nineteen million dollar

1226
00:57:40,258 --> 00:57:42,738
Speaker 4: man and their best offensive line, which so I still

1227
00:57:42,738 --> 00:57:45,138
Speaker 4: think he is. He needs to be better than okay.

1228
00:57:45,258 --> 00:57:47,858
Speaker 4: And now you're back at your natural spot at right guard.

1229
00:57:48,538 --> 00:57:51,738
Speaker 4: Sack hit hurry in this game, like the sack just

1230
00:57:51,778 --> 00:57:54,538
Speaker 4: can't happen, Like you can't give up one on ones,

1231
00:57:54,698 --> 00:57:57,538
Speaker 4: like you can't lose, like especially against the defensive line

1232
00:57:57,538 --> 00:58:00,498
Speaker 4: that doesn't have Jeffrey Simmons right, Like, it's not like

1233
00:58:00,818 --> 00:58:04,858
Speaker 4: the Bears interior defensive line is anything crazy good. So

1234
00:58:05,058 --> 00:58:08,218
Speaker 4: I just feel like he is still just playing fine,

1235
00:58:08,378 --> 00:58:10,578
Speaker 4: Like he's just kind of meh. And they didn't pay

1236
00:58:10,578 --> 00:58:12,258
Speaker 4: for meth they paid for him to be elite.

1237
00:58:12,538 --> 00:58:13,898
Speaker 2: Yeah, I give him a little bit of a break

1238
00:58:13,898 --> 00:58:15,978
Speaker 2: because he's practicing at left guard during the week, and

1239
00:58:16,018 --> 00:58:18,338
Speaker 2: like again the moving around thing to what you said

1240
00:58:18,338 --> 00:58:20,258
Speaker 2: about like he's finally in one spot. Well, let's see

1241
00:58:20,298 --> 00:58:22,538
Speaker 2: it actually build up now with that one spot. That's

1242
00:58:22,578 --> 00:58:24,818
Speaker 2: more what I'm looking for, all right. Last one, Uh,

1243
00:58:25,898 --> 00:58:28,258
Speaker 2: punt coverage. Yeah, what is it three and four weeks,

1244
00:58:28,298 --> 00:58:30,378
Speaker 2: four and five weeks that they've given up a few

1245
00:58:30,538 --> 00:58:33,298
Speaker 2: flipping punt return Can't have it, can't have it. And

1246
00:58:33,338 --> 00:58:36,978
Speaker 2: it's it's tough to pin down one thing. Like against Jacksonville,

1247
00:58:38,018 --> 00:58:40,538
Speaker 2: Baringer out kicked his coverage. Against the Jets, it was

1248
00:58:40,578 --> 00:58:43,658
Speaker 2: miss tackles. This one felt like blown light lane assignments,

1249
00:58:43,698 --> 00:58:46,618
Speaker 2: Like it's you know, you plug one hole and another opens.

1250
00:58:46,658 --> 00:58:49,218
Speaker 2: I don't know that there's one thing that you can

1251
00:58:49,258 --> 00:58:51,698
Speaker 2: specifically nail down with these big returns. But and it

1252
00:58:51,738 --> 00:58:53,498
Speaker 2: didn't burn them this week. It didn't burn them. But

1253
00:58:53,898 --> 00:58:55,818
Speaker 2: you give up a forty yard punt return on the

1254
00:58:55,858 --> 00:58:58,418
Speaker 2: first drive of the game, Yeah, more often than not,

1255
00:58:58,498 --> 00:59:00,058
Speaker 2: that's gonna bury you because you're gonna give that other

1256
00:59:00,058 --> 00:59:01,698
Speaker 2: team a ton of momentum right off the jump. And

1257
00:59:01,738 --> 00:59:04,018
Speaker 2: the Jets one was early in the game too. Jaguars

1258
00:59:04,018 --> 00:59:07,738
Speaker 2: one relatively early started the second quarter. So they got

1259
00:59:07,738 --> 00:59:10,058
Speaker 2: to figure this out. They got to be covering punts better.

1260
00:59:10,098 --> 00:59:11,978
Speaker 2: The rest special teams I thought had a solid game,

1261
00:59:12,298 --> 00:59:15,098
Speaker 2: but they're giving up too many big punt returns.

1262
00:59:15,298 --> 00:59:18,618
Speaker 4: So here's the question, because your guy Tony Mas's is

1263
00:59:18,698 --> 00:59:22,818
Speaker 4: right now, is anti Bryce Behinger? How much of it

1264
00:59:22,858 --> 00:59:25,138
Speaker 4: is him out kicking the coverage and kicking the ball

1265
00:59:25,138 --> 00:59:27,698
Speaker 4: into the middle of the field. And because you're you know, look,

1266
00:59:27,738 --> 00:59:31,058
Speaker 4: I this is a narrative now. Even though yeah, it's

1267
00:59:31,138 --> 00:59:33,218
Speaker 4: kind of tongue in cheek for some people to talk

1268
00:59:33,218 --> 00:59:36,138
Speaker 4: about the punters on this program, it's not. And I

1269
00:59:36,458 --> 00:59:39,858
Speaker 4: do think there's some truth to that that he likes

1270
00:59:39,898 --> 00:59:42,538
Speaker 4: to boom it. He likes he tries to just kind

1271
00:59:42,538 --> 00:59:45,058
Speaker 4: of kick the crap out of the ball. And sometimes,

1272
00:59:45,218 --> 00:59:46,978
Speaker 4: you know, when you do that and you kick it

1273
00:59:47,058 --> 00:59:50,618
Speaker 4: right down center field, then it's hard to cover. You know,

1274
00:59:50,618 --> 00:59:53,378
Speaker 4: you're not really pinning him against an area. You know,

1275
00:59:53,418 --> 00:59:56,418
Speaker 4: it's of the sideline, up against the sideline. Like, how

1276
00:59:56,498 --> 00:59:58,218
Speaker 4: much do you put this on the punter himself?

1277
00:59:59,218 --> 01:00:01,498
Speaker 2: I mean the one of Jacksonville was on him. Again,

1278
01:00:01,578 --> 01:00:03,978
Speaker 2: it's been all different reasons. Yeah, I don't think he's

1279
01:00:04,458 --> 01:00:07,818
Speaker 2: outkicked his coverage since the Jacksonville won if anything like

1280
01:00:07,898 --> 01:00:09,658
Speaker 2: now you saw a couple of those kicks going to

1281
01:00:09,698 --> 01:00:11,738
Speaker 2: the end zone where he's just like, I'm gonna flip

1282
01:00:11,738 --> 01:00:13,698
Speaker 2: the field no return, and when they're that far back,

1283
01:00:13,738 --> 01:00:16,218
Speaker 2: maybe that's what they need to be doing. Yeah. The

1284
01:00:16,298 --> 01:00:18,258
Speaker 2: kicking in the middle of the field thing is I

1285
01:00:18,338 --> 01:00:20,538
Speaker 2: don't know the calls. That's a fair question, right, That

1286
01:00:20,578 --> 01:00:22,978
Speaker 2: could be as much about Jeremy Springer as it is

1287
01:00:23,018 --> 01:00:24,498
Speaker 2: Bryce Barger, Like, is he telling me to kick in

1288
01:00:24,498 --> 01:00:26,618
Speaker 2: the middlefield? Is he not? When you have a gunner

1289
01:00:26,658 --> 01:00:28,858
Speaker 2: like Brendan's schooler, you have a little more flexibility of

1290
01:00:28,898 --> 01:00:30,458
Speaker 2: where you can kick the ball, and maybe they fit

1291
01:00:30,578 --> 01:00:32,458
Speaker 2: you're kicking in the middle of the field. There's more

1292
01:00:32,458 --> 01:00:36,778
Speaker 2: opportunities to give Schooler a chance to make a play. Yeah,

1293
01:00:37,098 --> 01:00:39,218
Speaker 2: or maybe or maybe not. Maybe these are supposed to

1294
01:00:39,218 --> 01:00:41,018
Speaker 2: be going to the sideline. I don't know. I would

1295
01:00:41,018 --> 01:00:43,378
Speaker 2: definitely start kicking more to the sideline from them one

1296
01:00:43,378 --> 01:00:46,818
Speaker 2: where the other. Either tell Bearinger to work on that

1297
01:00:46,898 --> 01:00:49,578
Speaker 2: if he's missed, if he's not executing these right, or

1298
01:00:49,618 --> 01:00:53,178
Speaker 2: if you're Jeremy Springer just designed more punts coverage setups

1299
01:00:53,178 --> 01:00:57,218
Speaker 2: that go towards the sideline. It's impossible to know without

1300
01:00:57,218 --> 01:00:59,338
Speaker 2: knowing what the call is though, So that's a tough

1301
01:00:59,338 --> 01:01:02,018
Speaker 2: one answer. Yeah, fair enough. The Jacksonville one was on him,

1302
01:01:02,018 --> 01:01:03,698
Speaker 2: like the Jacksonville ons on bearing. I'll say that.

1303
01:01:03,778 --> 01:01:06,458
Speaker 4: Okay, last one for me, and we're going to disagree,

1304
01:01:06,458 --> 01:01:08,178
Speaker 4: So I want to unpack this a little bit now

1305
01:01:08,218 --> 01:01:12,178
Speaker 4: because we've disagreed. I hear what you're saying about churning

1306
01:01:12,178 --> 01:01:15,618
Speaker 4: out difficult yards for more Stevenson, and I see a

1307
01:01:15,618 --> 01:01:19,138
Speaker 4: lot of that. I also see that he's pretty darn

1308
01:01:19,178 --> 01:01:22,778
Speaker 4: good and blitz pick up as well. He's a very

1309
01:01:23,338 --> 01:01:26,298
Speaker 4: good pass protecting back at this point of his career.

1310
01:01:26,298 --> 01:01:28,138
Speaker 2: He's also been good blocking when Drake goes on the

1311
01:01:28,178 --> 01:01:29,418
Speaker 2: scrambles and picking.

1312
01:01:29,138 --> 01:01:33,098
Speaker 4: The Yeah, I do the one, you know, the dippicks

1313
01:01:33,138 --> 01:01:35,658
Speaker 4: that I have with him in this game. H Why

1314
01:01:35,698 --> 01:01:37,778
Speaker 4: he was my one of my downs is I just

1315
01:01:37,818 --> 01:01:39,898
Speaker 4: feel like there was yards being left on the field

1316
01:01:39,898 --> 01:01:42,738
Speaker 4: in this game by him, whether it's with like reads

1317
01:01:42,738 --> 01:01:45,498
Speaker 4: and decisions off of the scheme, but also like you

1318
01:01:45,538 --> 01:01:48,138
Speaker 4: look at times when he's getting tackled one on one

1319
01:01:48,138 --> 01:01:51,658
Speaker 4: by defensive backs and they just I think he'd be

1320
01:01:51,658 --> 01:01:53,618
Speaker 4: the first person to say that he shouldn't be getting

1321
01:01:53,618 --> 01:01:56,698
Speaker 4: tackled by a corner like that just shouldn't happen. And

1322
01:01:56,898 --> 01:02:00,258
Speaker 4: you know, he runs a third and one they run duo,

1323
01:02:00,418 --> 01:02:03,178
Speaker 4: like right down the gut with Remandre and he takes

1324
01:02:03,178 --> 01:02:05,578
Speaker 4: it on himself to bounce it and like fine, like

1325
01:02:05,698 --> 01:02:08,178
Speaker 4: I'll give him the freedom to do whatever what he

1326
01:02:08,258 --> 01:02:10,378
Speaker 4: wants and see what he wants. But then he gets

1327
01:02:10,378 --> 01:02:12,618
Speaker 4: tackled by the corner short of the line to gain

1328
01:02:12,698 --> 01:02:15,058
Speaker 4: like that just I don't see how that can happen

1329
01:02:16,538 --> 01:02:18,618
Speaker 4: with him. Like, if you're gonna call him the franchise

1330
01:02:18,698 --> 01:02:20,178
Speaker 4: running back and one of the best running backs in

1331
01:02:20,178 --> 01:02:23,098
Speaker 4: the league, he shouldn't be being tackled by corners.

1332
01:02:23,498 --> 01:02:23,578
Speaker 2: Uh.

1333
01:02:23,658 --> 01:02:26,538
Speaker 4: The other thing that, you know, just to ridiorate that,

1334
01:02:27,378 --> 01:02:29,138
Speaker 4: you know, the eleven yard run, which is the best

1335
01:02:29,178 --> 01:02:32,018
Speaker 4: run of the day. He all he has to beat

1336
01:02:32,098 --> 01:02:34,178
Speaker 4: is the safety, Like the safety in the middle of

1337
01:02:34,218 --> 01:02:35,858
Speaker 4: the field is the last line of defense, is the

1338
01:02:35,898 --> 01:02:38,218
Speaker 4: only guy he has to beat on the play. And

1339
01:02:38,258 --> 01:02:41,258
Speaker 4: if he beats the safety, they're at the you know,

1340
01:02:41,818 --> 01:02:45,898
Speaker 4: down the field. He gone like there's nothing left right,

1341
01:02:45,938 --> 01:02:49,698
Speaker 4: like he is absolutely gone. And I just look at

1342
01:02:49,698 --> 01:02:53,618
Speaker 4: that play and again I go back to the contract

1343
01:02:53,658 --> 01:02:55,458
Speaker 4: and what they've hyped him up to be and what

1344
01:02:55,538 --> 01:02:58,858
Speaker 4: I think he is, like a franchise running back, a

1345
01:02:58,938 --> 01:03:03,098
Speaker 4: true number one back, A true number one back beats

1346
01:03:03,138 --> 01:03:06,018
Speaker 4: the safety there and houses it. Like that's just Saquon

1347
01:03:06,098 --> 01:03:08,618
Speaker 4: Barkley beats the safety there and houses it. You know,

1348
01:03:09,258 --> 01:03:11,858
Speaker 4: the Jamier Gibbs beats the safety there and houses it.

1349
01:03:12,618 --> 01:03:15,858
Speaker 4: Alvin Kamara like all the you know, Christian McCaffrey, like

1350
01:03:15,938 --> 01:03:18,418
Speaker 4: those types of guys. That's what it is, like, that's

1351
01:03:18,458 --> 01:03:21,058
Speaker 4: the game. I just thought he got tackled a little

1352
01:03:21,058 --> 01:03:23,018
Speaker 4: bit too much in this game by defensive backs.

1353
01:03:23,098 --> 01:03:23,298
Speaker 2: Hate.

1354
01:03:23,298 --> 01:03:25,458
Speaker 4: I don't think he should ever be tackled and brought

1355
01:03:25,498 --> 01:03:27,898
Speaker 4: to the ground by DB's and I still don't love

1356
01:03:27,978 --> 01:03:30,338
Speaker 4: some of his reads coming through the line of scrimmage.

1357
01:03:30,338 --> 01:03:32,698
Speaker 4: But I'll allow for the fact that I don't know

1358
01:03:32,738 --> 01:03:34,858
Speaker 4: exactly what he's being coached and what he's you know,

1359
01:03:34,898 --> 01:03:36,858
Speaker 4: being told to read and all that kind of stuff.

1360
01:03:36,898 --> 01:03:39,538
Speaker 4: But mainly the reason why I had him as a

1361
01:03:39,578 --> 01:03:42,418
Speaker 4: down was because of the broken the lack of broken tackles,

1362
01:03:42,418 --> 01:03:44,138
Speaker 4: I should say on the defense.

1363
01:03:43,898 --> 01:03:45,618
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fair on it. Maybe I'm just you know,

1364
01:03:45,818 --> 01:03:48,338
Speaker 2: recency biased. The run game had been so bad that

1365
01:03:48,378 --> 01:03:50,058
Speaker 2: they showed something. I was encouraged by it.

1366
01:03:50,098 --> 01:03:52,098
Speaker 4: But yeah, I would agree that the run game as

1367
01:03:52,098 --> 01:03:53,938
Speaker 4: a whole was better. I just thought it could have

1368
01:03:53,938 --> 01:03:56,098
Speaker 4: been even better if for and Andre had a little

1369
01:03:56,098 --> 01:03:58,098
Speaker 4: bit of a better game. Sure, And I still don't

1370
01:03:58,098 --> 01:04:00,858
Speaker 4: really love him in this scheme. I haven't loved it

1371
01:04:00,898 --> 01:04:04,658
Speaker 4: from the jump. I just think outside zone. Outside zone

1372
01:04:04,778 --> 01:04:08,498
Speaker 4: is like a very It's not built for running backs

1373
01:04:08,898 --> 01:04:11,298
Speaker 4: that want to be patient and kind of like scan

1374
01:04:11,498 --> 01:04:14,178
Speaker 4: and feel it out, like Remandre right, like he runs

1375
01:04:14,738 --> 01:04:17,098
Speaker 4: a lot like Le'Veon Bell used to write, where it's

1376
01:04:17,138 --> 01:04:18,938
Speaker 4: just kind of we're gonna feel it out, we're gonna

1377
01:04:18,978 --> 01:04:21,098
Speaker 4: wait for it, wait for it, and we're gonna hit

1378
01:04:21,138 --> 01:04:24,138
Speaker 4: the hole late and just sort of allow our blocking

1379
01:04:24,218 --> 01:04:27,498
Speaker 4: to just kind of create a large surface for us

1380
01:04:27,538 --> 01:04:28,098
Speaker 4: to read out.

1381
01:04:28,498 --> 01:04:31,018
Speaker 2: Outside zone is like a one cut and go system.

1382
01:04:31,218 --> 01:04:33,818
Speaker 4: Like you hit your third step, you either cut it

1383
01:04:33,858 --> 01:04:36,578
Speaker 4: back or you bounce it, and you make a decision

1384
01:04:36,658 --> 01:04:39,858
Speaker 4: like this, like you don't hang out in the backfield.

1385
01:04:40,098 --> 01:04:42,778
Speaker 4: I think sometimes too much, that's what he's doing. And

1386
01:04:42,858 --> 01:04:45,018
Speaker 4: I just wonder if it's a scheme fit thing, And

1387
01:04:45,058 --> 01:04:47,618
Speaker 4: I don't think that it's a coincidence. That Antonio Gibson

1388
01:04:47,658 --> 01:04:51,418
Speaker 4: gets on the field and produces better on his five

1389
01:04:51,498 --> 01:04:53,538
Speaker 4: carries because of the type of back that he is.

1390
01:04:53,618 --> 01:04:55,298
Speaker 4: I think he is a wide zone back.

1391
01:04:55,698 --> 01:04:56,098
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1392
01:04:56,138 --> 01:04:59,138
Speaker 4: I from Andre Stevenson is truly a wide zone back.

1393
01:04:59,218 --> 01:05:01,298
Speaker 4: So I'm interested to see where they go with that.

1394
01:05:01,778 --> 01:05:05,458
Speaker 4: All right, let's uh read one more ad read and

1395
01:05:05,458 --> 01:05:07,658
Speaker 4: then I promise. I know we've been holding you guys

1396
01:05:07,698 --> 01:05:09,138
Speaker 4: on the phone for a while. We're gonna get to

1397
01:05:09,138 --> 01:05:11,818
Speaker 4: all your phone calls in just a minute. But want

1398
01:05:11,858 --> 01:05:14,978
Speaker 4: to spend Black Friday weekend watching football instead of waiting

1399
01:05:14,978 --> 01:05:18,938
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1410
01:05:50,778 --> 01:05:54,218
Speaker 4: Finally I do apologize and AJ is in Brighton.

1411
01:05:54,258 --> 01:05:54,858
Speaker 2: What's up? AJ?

1412
01:05:56,858 --> 01:05:58,138
Speaker 5: Hey, guys, how you doing good?

1413
01:05:58,378 --> 01:05:59,378
Speaker 2: Thanks for holding.

1414
01:06:00,338 --> 01:06:03,898
Speaker 5: Yeah, thanks for having me. So I have a problem

1415
01:06:03,978 --> 01:06:05,098
Speaker 5: where I'm starting to fall.

1416
01:06:04,978 --> 01:06:06,298
Speaker 3: In love with the Darien Lowe.

1417
01:06:07,138 --> 01:06:09,298
Speaker 5: I think he's, you know, obviously pretty average guy, but

1418
01:06:09,338 --> 01:06:10,738
Speaker 5: the love the way he plays that they should a

1419
01:06:10,778 --> 01:06:13,618
Speaker 5: lot of spirit out there. And I was curious just

1420
01:06:13,698 --> 01:06:15,818
Speaker 5: what you guys need to see from him between now

1421
01:06:15,858 --> 01:06:17,698
Speaker 5: and the end of the year where you would feel

1422
01:06:17,738 --> 01:06:20,378
Speaker 5: comfortable maybe not taking a blue chip prospect in the

1423
01:06:20,378 --> 01:06:22,898
Speaker 5: first round at left tackle and getting maybe a litre

1424
01:06:22,938 --> 01:06:25,418
Speaker 5: of like a developmental prospect or a couple of developmental

1425
01:06:25,458 --> 01:06:26,058
Speaker 5: guys later on.

1426
01:06:27,018 --> 01:06:29,298
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank appreciates AJ. I appreciate the call.

1427
01:06:29,338 --> 01:06:34,178
Speaker 4: I've also been sort of Vederian Lowe truther a little bit, like,

1428
01:06:34,458 --> 01:06:37,338
Speaker 4: not maybe as much as AJ, but just because I

1429
01:06:37,378 --> 01:06:40,298
Speaker 4: don't think he's been horrible, and I think he gets

1430
01:06:40,298 --> 01:06:42,338
Speaker 4: this rap that he's horrible right like, and that he

1431
01:06:42,418 --> 01:06:45,218
Speaker 4: stinks he did not have the best game in pass

1432
01:06:45,258 --> 01:06:48,058
Speaker 4: protection in this game. I had him with four quarterback pressures.

1433
01:06:48,458 --> 01:06:50,578
Speaker 4: One of my guys in the draft, actually Austin Booker,

1434
01:06:50,618 --> 01:06:53,658
Speaker 4: had a decent game off the edge for Chicago, but

1435
01:06:53,898 --> 01:06:55,778
Speaker 4: he was much better in the run game this week.

1436
01:06:55,818 --> 01:06:56,058
Speaker 2: I know.

1437
01:06:56,178 --> 01:06:58,818
Speaker 4: I talked to him last week after the Tennessee game,

1438
01:06:59,098 --> 01:07:01,858
Speaker 4: and that's what he really was disappointed in himself was

1439
01:07:01,898 --> 01:07:04,018
Speaker 4: his run blocking against the Titans. So I think that

1440
01:07:04,218 --> 01:07:06,938
Speaker 4: was sort of his emphasis last week, and he did

1441
01:07:06,978 --> 01:07:11,538
Speaker 4: do better in that regard. He is he has been fine,

1442
01:07:11,778 --> 01:07:13,898
Speaker 4: Like I'm not trying to tell you he's Joe Thomas.

1443
01:07:13,938 --> 01:07:17,338
Speaker 4: Like he's just been competent since that he returned the

1444
01:07:17,458 --> 01:07:20,098
Speaker 4: second time from that injury. Now, the one thing that

1445
01:07:20,138 --> 01:07:23,658
Speaker 4: I would just say that hurts him is that he

1446
01:07:23,698 --> 01:07:26,338
Speaker 4: can't play right tackle. Like we've seen him try to

1447
01:07:26,338 --> 01:07:29,018
Speaker 4: flip sides to the right to right tackle and it's

1448
01:07:29,058 --> 01:07:31,778
Speaker 4: been kind of a disaster. So the problem for him

1449
01:07:31,898 --> 01:07:34,258
Speaker 4: is is that, like he's not a true swing tackle,

1450
01:07:34,498 --> 01:07:36,858
Speaker 4: he is a left tackle. So if he's going to

1451
01:07:36,938 --> 01:07:39,938
Speaker 4: stick on the Patriots long term, and I don't think

1452
01:07:39,938 --> 01:07:43,138
Speaker 4: we're there yet aj in terms of let's not draft

1453
01:07:43,138 --> 01:07:46,098
Speaker 4: a left tackle because we have Vedarian Lowe. If he's

1454
01:07:46,138 --> 01:07:48,498
Speaker 4: gonna stick as a third tackle at the Patriots. It's

1455
01:07:48,498 --> 01:07:51,458
Speaker 4: tough if you can't play both sides almost equally. And

1456
01:07:51,498 --> 01:07:53,978
Speaker 4: I feel like his tape at right tackle has always

1457
01:07:53,978 --> 01:07:54,778
Speaker 4: been a rough ride.

1458
01:07:54,818 --> 01:07:56,178
Speaker 2: And the other thing, I mean, like you said there,

1459
01:07:56,178 --> 01:07:59,218
Speaker 2: he's already been hurt in this time twice. Yeah, and

1460
01:07:59,258 --> 01:08:02,418
Speaker 2: he got hurt last year. And the availability, Yeah, I

1461
01:08:03,218 --> 01:08:05,098
Speaker 2: don't know that he can show me enough that I'm

1462
01:08:05,098 --> 01:08:07,458
Speaker 2: coming off the tackle thing. He's had a good year, Yeah,

1463
01:08:07,538 --> 01:08:10,258
Speaker 2: but when you talk about what that position means, when

1464
01:08:10,298 --> 01:08:12,338
Speaker 2: you talk about the guys that are available this year,

1465
01:08:12,498 --> 01:08:14,698
Speaker 2: when you talk about their history at that position in

1466
01:08:14,738 --> 01:08:17,418
Speaker 2: the last five, six, seven years, whatever it is, I

1467
01:08:17,938 --> 01:08:20,138
Speaker 2: don't know that there's a point that I'm coming off

1468
01:08:20,178 --> 01:08:22,537
Speaker 2: that they need to take a tackle high. I agree

1469
01:08:22,537 --> 01:08:22,777
Speaker 2: with you.

1470
01:08:22,978 --> 01:08:25,697
Speaker 4: I do give him kudos though, especially in pass protection.

1471
01:08:25,778 --> 01:08:26,897
Speaker 4: I think he's gotten a lot better.

1472
01:08:26,898 --> 01:08:30,258
Speaker 2: Oh, he deserves credit. But like it's, you know, you

1473
01:08:30,258 --> 01:08:32,617
Speaker 2: don't want to do that thing where it's like I

1474
01:08:32,697 --> 01:08:34,218
Speaker 2: just did with the run game, right, The run game

1475
01:08:34,258 --> 01:08:36,418
Speaker 2: had been so bad, Yeah, and I saw a flash

1476
01:08:36,458 --> 01:08:38,418
Speaker 2: and I got all excited, and you're like, well, you

1477
01:08:38,458 --> 01:08:40,138
Speaker 2: know it was good for what it was, but was

1478
01:08:40,138 --> 01:08:41,938
Speaker 2: it good? Yeah? That's kind of where meant with like

1479
01:08:41,978 --> 01:08:46,497
Speaker 2: he's been serviceable, but it's it's easy for him to

1480
01:08:46,577 --> 01:08:49,657
Speaker 2: look like a potential answer when you look at what

1481
01:08:49,697 --> 01:08:52,298
Speaker 2: he's coming after. Yeah, not just this year, but for

1482
01:08:52,338 --> 01:08:53,097
Speaker 2: the last few years.

1483
01:08:53,098 --> 01:08:55,537
Speaker 4: He's cut down a lot on the uh. I know

1484
01:08:55,617 --> 01:08:57,218
Speaker 4: we're spending a lot of a Darian Low time here.

1485
01:08:57,298 --> 01:09:00,857
Speaker 4: He's cut down a lot on like the awful losses,

1486
01:09:01,178 --> 01:09:03,937
Speaker 4: like just the complete whiffs where he just doesn't even

1487
01:09:03,937 --> 01:09:06,138
Speaker 4: get a hand on a guy. Now, at least like

1488
01:09:06,178 --> 01:09:08,418
Speaker 4: even though Booker I thought beat him inside a couple

1489
01:09:08,497 --> 01:09:10,977
Speaker 4: of times in this game, he's at least allowing Drake

1490
01:09:11,058 --> 01:09:12,817
Speaker 4: May to get off his spot right, Like, he's at

1491
01:09:12,897 --> 01:09:15,817
Speaker 4: least allowing it to kind of not complete. It doesn't

1492
01:09:15,817 --> 01:09:18,657
Speaker 4: become a fire, Yeah, exactly doesn't completely kill the play,

1493
01:09:18,737 --> 01:09:20,657
Speaker 4: all right, Patty is an aguam.

1494
01:09:20,657 --> 01:09:21,378
Speaker 2: What's up? Patty?

1495
01:09:22,617 --> 01:09:23,138
Speaker 3: What's up?

1496
01:09:23,178 --> 01:09:23,537
Speaker 6: Gentlemen?

1497
01:09:23,857 --> 01:09:26,057
Speaker 2: How doing good?

1498
01:09:26,657 --> 01:09:28,938
Speaker 3: I want to touch on a couple of things and

1499
01:09:28,458 --> 01:09:31,777
Speaker 3: U and with quite too. I can't believe a j

1500
01:09:32,218 --> 01:09:33,418
Speaker 3: I thought it was gonna be the only one that

1501
01:09:33,458 --> 01:09:36,817
Speaker 3: was gonna ask a Bederian Low question today. But to me,

1502
01:09:36,897 --> 01:09:41,017
Speaker 3: it's so disrespectful that North Carolina's football program hangs up

1503
01:09:41,018 --> 01:09:43,937
Speaker 3: at Jordan Jersey when one of the greatest players of

1504
01:09:44,018 --> 01:09:48,098
Speaker 3: all time played for that program. And I'm hoping you

1505
01:09:48,098 --> 01:09:50,658
Speaker 3: guys know who I'm talking about.

1506
01:09:51,178 --> 01:09:52,817
Speaker 4: That played for North Carolina football.

1507
01:09:54,138 --> 01:09:58,778
Speaker 2: Yeah, Julius Peppers.

1508
01:09:58,817 --> 01:10:03,218
Speaker 3: Taylor is in you U and C guy Lawrence Taylor.

1509
01:10:03,617 --> 01:10:06,857
Speaker 2: Lawrence Taylor, Oh that's right, he is. Yeah, Well, they

1510
01:10:06,897 --> 01:10:09,017
Speaker 2: don't hang up this jersey. It's it's like the Jordan

1511
01:10:09,138 --> 01:10:10,657
Speaker 2: logo because they're Jordan Brand's school.

1512
01:10:10,697 --> 01:10:13,098
Speaker 4: Patty, I think we just showed our age there of

1513
01:10:13,178 --> 01:10:15,017
Speaker 4: not knowing where Lawrence Taylor went to school.

1514
01:10:16,418 --> 01:10:20,937
Speaker 3: I think I just showed my age too. I want

1515
01:10:20,978 --> 01:10:23,537
Speaker 3: to say I couldn't agree with both you guys. More

1516
01:10:23,657 --> 01:10:27,537
Speaker 3: about switching coordinators. I mean, I don't know what fans

1517
01:10:27,537 --> 01:10:29,657
Speaker 3: and I'm not saying you guys, but a lot of

1518
01:10:29,697 --> 01:10:32,178
Speaker 3: media types are expecting from this team. I mean you,

1519
01:10:33,098 --> 01:10:35,177
Speaker 3: going into the season, we knew we had a rookie coach,

1520
01:10:35,617 --> 01:10:38,977
Speaker 3: a rookie offensive play caller or a rookie defensive play caller,

1521
01:10:39,058 --> 01:10:42,537
Speaker 3: a rookie GM, and a rookie quarterback. I mean, we

1522
01:10:42,657 --> 01:10:44,977
Speaker 3: saw what happened with Mac Jones, and Mac Jones doesn't

1523
01:10:44,978 --> 01:10:48,177
Speaker 3: have I mean there's more talent and drink fas Drake

1524
01:10:48,258 --> 01:10:52,218
Speaker 3: May's left, Tinky Than and Mac Jones. You know, yep,

1525
01:10:52,497 --> 01:10:55,737
Speaker 3: So like, let let the kid develop, let the coaches

1526
01:10:55,777 --> 01:10:58,218
Speaker 3: do their thing. We've seen like I think it's night

1527
01:10:58,258 --> 01:11:00,378
Speaker 3: and day because I listen to you know, I'm a

1528
01:11:00,418 --> 01:11:03,178
Speaker 3: Patriots junkie, and coming from where he came from and

1529
01:11:03,218 --> 01:11:05,017
Speaker 3: at the started training camp to where he is now

1530
01:11:05,098 --> 01:11:08,098
Speaker 3: is night and day. And you heard Girod say like,

1531
01:11:08,697 --> 01:11:12,178
Speaker 3: there's no person that that's been more instrumental in his

1532
01:11:12,258 --> 01:11:15,577
Speaker 3: development than Alex van Pelt. So give him a few years.

1533
01:11:15,657 --> 01:11:18,217
Speaker 3: I'm with you at these great and two more years

1534
01:11:18,258 --> 01:11:20,897
Speaker 3: he's going to get a head coach and opportunity. So

1535
01:11:21,058 --> 01:11:23,097
Speaker 3: my question was going to be if we do take

1536
01:11:23,138 --> 01:11:26,418
Speaker 3: are my two questions. First one, any interest in David

1537
01:11:26,458 --> 01:11:29,697
Speaker 3: Long Junior who was just recent release. And number two,

1538
01:11:30,537 --> 01:11:34,418
Speaker 3: let's say we do take a left tackle, would you

1539
01:11:34,458 --> 01:11:38,338
Speaker 3: guys have any interest in resigning Viderim Maybe not to

1540
01:11:38,378 --> 01:11:42,258
Speaker 3: play swing tackle, but his contract is up after next year,

1541
01:11:43,018 --> 01:11:45,258
Speaker 3: and I like what he's done this year. I mean,

1542
01:11:45,298 --> 01:11:49,617
Speaker 3: when he's been healthy, he's been he's been serviceable. So yeah,

1543
01:11:49,657 --> 01:11:52,218
Speaker 3: we're not we're not seeing I'm not saying sign him

1544
01:11:52,258 --> 01:11:54,497
Speaker 3: to be the long term left tackle, but maybe a

1545
01:11:54,497 --> 01:11:56,857
Speaker 3: long term depth guy. And I'll take it off there, guys.

1546
01:11:56,897 --> 01:12:01,697
Speaker 2: Thanks Patty. What was the first question he asked? The

1547
01:12:01,697 --> 01:12:03,537
Speaker 2: second one was, would we be like taking a tackle?

1548
01:12:03,537 --> 01:12:06,418
Speaker 2: Would we resigned? Oh, David Long Junior. Oh yeah, get

1549
01:12:06,418 --> 01:12:10,057
Speaker 2: a Lawrence Taylor question? Wrong, Yeah, I magine Bill Hurd.

1550
01:12:10,178 --> 01:12:12,657
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah.

1551
01:12:13,817 --> 01:12:16,577
Speaker 4: That was definitely like we know where everybody went to

1552
01:12:16,617 --> 01:12:18,458
Speaker 4: college in the last like twenty years.

1553
01:12:18,497 --> 01:12:23,258
Speaker 2: So you go further back a little bit. Anyways, David

1554
01:12:23,258 --> 01:12:25,537
Speaker 2: Long jor, I mean, they need a lot, they need linebackers.

1555
01:12:25,577 --> 01:12:26,418
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be closed.

1556
01:12:26,537 --> 01:12:28,657
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I actually, uh, you know, and he was

1557
01:12:28,697 --> 01:12:31,217
Speaker 4: back at practice today, which I liked to I actually

1558
01:12:31,298 --> 01:12:34,378
Speaker 4: kind of liked what I saw as Taki Taki in

1559
01:12:34,418 --> 01:12:38,097
Speaker 4: this game on Sunday. It was exactly what he came

1560
01:12:38,258 --> 01:12:41,617
Speaker 4: as advertised in Cleveland, which was that there's like you're

1561
01:12:41,657 --> 01:12:43,418
Speaker 4: not gonna notice him, like he's not gonna make a

1562
01:12:43,497 --> 01:12:46,097
Speaker 4: ton of splash plays, but you're also not gonna notice

1563
01:12:46,138 --> 01:12:48,937
Speaker 4: him for the wrong reasons either, And like that sort

1564
01:12:48,937 --> 01:12:52,657
Speaker 4: of competency at the second linebacker spot next to Jelani Tavai,

1565
01:12:53,018 --> 01:12:55,577
Speaker 4: I think is exactly what they need, And I don't

1566
01:12:55,617 --> 01:12:58,097
Speaker 4: necessarily think it's a coincidence that Tavai had his best

1567
01:12:58,138 --> 01:13:00,697
Speaker 4: game of the year with somebody who he wasn't trying

1568
01:13:00,697 --> 01:13:03,657
Speaker 4: to cover up the entire game playing next to him.

1569
01:13:03,697 --> 01:13:07,418
Speaker 4: So I'm actually cautiously optimistic out of what we saw

1570
01:13:07,458 --> 01:13:10,817
Speaker 4: from Taki Taki. He's in the right places, he can

1571
01:13:10,857 --> 01:13:12,977
Speaker 4: cover a little bit. He's got a little bit more

1572
01:13:13,018 --> 01:13:15,378
Speaker 4: size than like a Christian Ellis, right, so he's not

1573
01:13:15,497 --> 01:13:17,817
Speaker 4: quite as easy to move in the run game. I'm

1574
01:13:17,817 --> 01:13:20,098
Speaker 4: not saying, you know, we keep on saying this like

1575
01:13:20,138 --> 01:13:22,657
Speaker 4: I'm not saying Fidarian Los Joe Thomas, and I'm not

1576
01:13:22,697 --> 01:13:26,458
Speaker 4: saying Sioni Taki. Taki is like ray Lewis in his prime, right,

1577
01:13:26,497 --> 01:13:29,857
Speaker 4: But at least he was good and competent in his role.

1578
01:13:29,978 --> 01:13:32,817
Speaker 4: So I don't know if I would necessarily panic about

1579
01:13:32,857 --> 01:13:35,897
Speaker 4: inside linebacker quite as much now, you know, I would

1580
01:13:35,937 --> 01:13:39,257
Speaker 4: have like kicked the tires on a David Long junior,

1581
01:13:39,378 --> 01:13:42,537
Speaker 4: or was the guy from the Seahawks Dodson right that

1582
01:13:42,617 --> 01:13:44,817
Speaker 4: got released like maybe a couple of weeks ago. I

1583
01:13:44,817 --> 01:13:46,857
Speaker 4: would have been all over that. But now, if he's

1584
01:13:46,897 --> 01:13:49,458
Speaker 4: healthy and I know he's had a tough time staying healthy.

1585
01:13:49,937 --> 01:13:52,497
Speaker 4: But he can stay healthy. I think I'd roll with

1586
01:13:52,537 --> 01:13:54,537
Speaker 4: the two Samoans and see what they can do.

1587
01:13:54,978 --> 01:13:57,537
Speaker 2: I just adding depth of the position couldn't hurt, right,

1588
01:13:57,657 --> 01:14:00,057
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be against it, And was the other thing.

1589
01:14:00,098 --> 01:14:02,897
Speaker 2: I mean, I wouldn't be against bringing back for Darien Lowell,

1590
01:14:02,937 --> 01:14:04,617
Speaker 2: Like he's a good depth player to have. But is

1591
01:14:04,617 --> 01:14:07,657
Speaker 2: he gonna want to hit free agency and go somewhere?

1592
01:14:07,697 --> 01:14:09,617
Speaker 2: Like he could get signed as a spots starter, like

1593
01:14:09,617 --> 01:14:12,138
Speaker 2: the guy the Patriots needed this year that he ended

1594
01:14:12,218 --> 01:14:14,497
Speaker 2: up being and they got there eventually, right it started

1595
01:14:14,537 --> 01:14:17,937
Speaker 2: with Chookes the Corps for But he could get paid

1596
01:14:17,937 --> 01:14:21,698
Speaker 2: decently to be somebody spot starter. So I wouldn't be opposed,

1597
01:14:21,777 --> 01:14:23,737
Speaker 2: but I don't think it makes a lot of sense

1598
01:14:23,817 --> 01:14:25,817
Speaker 2: I keep him for next year? Is the backup? Like

1599
01:14:26,058 --> 01:14:27,657
Speaker 2: I like him in that role next year, especially if

1600
01:14:27,657 --> 01:14:29,178
Speaker 2: he had a rookie. But I don't know that you're

1601
01:14:29,178 --> 01:14:30,338
Speaker 2: giving him another contract.

1602
01:14:30,497 --> 01:14:33,658
Speaker 4: I'm just concerned, Like I said before, I'm just concerned

1603
01:14:33,657 --> 01:14:36,098
Speaker 4: about the fact that he can't play right tackle. So like,

1604
01:14:36,138 --> 01:14:38,178
Speaker 4: if you're signed, actually, if you're signing him as a

1605
01:14:38,218 --> 01:14:42,737
Speaker 4: third guy and that's your idea, is that to your

1606
01:14:42,777 --> 01:14:45,577
Speaker 4: point just now, like if he is Let's say they

1607
01:14:45,697 --> 01:14:49,098
Speaker 4: draft a tackle early, but it's somebody like Nursery who

1608
01:14:49,178 --> 01:14:51,897
Speaker 4: might be like more of a developmental prospect, and then

1609
01:14:51,937 --> 01:14:54,857
Speaker 4: you don't want to necessarily start that guy week one. Well,

1610
01:14:54,937 --> 01:14:57,258
Speaker 4: now I ve Darian Lowe's you're starting left tackle. I

1611
01:14:57,338 --> 01:14:59,737
Speaker 4: get it, like I get the process there, and I think.

1612
01:14:59,577 --> 01:15:02,177
Speaker 2: It would be you can he's under contract next year, yeah,

1613
01:15:02,178 --> 01:15:03,777
Speaker 2: so you don't have to worry about that year. So

1614
01:15:04,098 --> 01:15:04,537
Speaker 2: I get it.

1615
01:15:04,617 --> 01:15:06,777
Speaker 4: That would be fine. I'd be fine with that. But

1616
01:15:06,817 --> 01:15:09,497
Speaker 4: the problem is is that once he becomes your third tackle,

1617
01:15:09,737 --> 01:15:11,497
Speaker 4: he can't swing, he can't go both ways.

1618
01:15:11,577 --> 01:15:14,458
Speaker 2: Well, so you know what happens, then Michael Winnu becomes

1619
01:15:14,458 --> 01:15:14,857
Speaker 2: your backup.

1620
01:15:14,937 --> 01:15:15,017
Speaker 3: Right.

1621
01:15:15,458 --> 01:15:17,777
Speaker 2: That's exactly no, which is why I wouldn't do it.

1622
01:15:17,857 --> 01:15:20,338
Speaker 2: And this is one last thing just on this topic. Uh,

1623
01:15:20,458 --> 01:15:22,378
Speaker 2: and then I will go back to the rest of

1624
01:15:22,378 --> 01:15:24,817
Speaker 2: the calls. I'm really interested to see if they can

1625
01:15:24,817 --> 01:15:28,137
Speaker 2: get Kayden Wallace back this year. Yeah, because in theory,

1626
01:15:28,218 --> 01:15:30,857
Speaker 2: like Kayden Wallace should be your right tackle, right, you know,

1627
01:15:30,937 --> 01:15:34,017
Speaker 2: moving forward, if they made the right selection there in

1628
01:15:34,098 --> 01:15:37,617
Speaker 2: the third round, then you really shouldn't need two tackles.

1629
01:15:37,697 --> 01:15:40,537
Speaker 2: You should really have one already in Canon Wallace, and

1630
01:15:40,577 --> 01:15:42,937
Speaker 2: that would allow you to keep on winning inside and

1631
01:15:43,098 --> 01:15:43,977
Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff.

1632
01:15:44,018 --> 01:15:46,697
Speaker 4: So I guess if that happens, then maybe you could

1633
01:15:46,777 --> 01:15:50,218
Speaker 4: keep Vederian low around longer term to have him sort

1634
01:15:50,218 --> 01:15:52,938
Speaker 4: of back up the left tackle slash spots start.

1635
01:15:52,737 --> 01:15:53,537
Speaker 2: And that sort of thing.

1636
01:15:53,817 --> 01:15:56,097
Speaker 4: All right, Justina is in North Carolina.

1637
01:15:56,138 --> 01:15:58,138
Speaker 2: What's up? Justina?

1638
01:15:58,857 --> 01:15:59,017
Speaker 3: Hi?

1639
01:15:59,098 --> 01:16:05,218
Speaker 7: Everyone? Evans. You are so smart because me and you

1640
01:16:05,298 --> 01:16:09,098
Speaker 7: were the only one supporting Drake at the beginning of

1641
01:16:09,138 --> 01:16:13,537
Speaker 7: the season, and I am I was, I would do

1642
01:16:13,577 --> 01:16:16,497
Speaker 7: you go to school with Lawrence Taylor?

1643
01:16:17,378 --> 01:16:17,537
Speaker 3: Yes?

1644
01:16:19,378 --> 01:16:21,857
Speaker 8: Ye Ago, But.

1645
01:16:23,418 --> 01:16:26,497
Speaker 7: I'm proud of Drake and I just want to be

1646
01:16:26,497 --> 01:16:30,258
Speaker 7: in defense of him because because he's been playing good

1647
01:16:30,617 --> 01:16:32,897
Speaker 7: and he I feel like he's the one that's got

1648
01:16:33,018 --> 01:16:35,737
Speaker 7: everybody else around him motivated because they feel like they

1649
01:16:35,777 --> 01:16:41,298
Speaker 7: have they can have success. And I just a little disappointed,

1650
01:16:41,338 --> 01:16:45,138
Speaker 7: disappointed because they're first they're saying that he did when

1651
01:16:45,178 --> 01:16:47,617
Speaker 7: he said he threw the ball away, he didn't, so

1652
01:16:47,737 --> 01:16:49,817
Speaker 7: he was just saying that. But he's not that type

1653
01:16:49,817 --> 01:16:53,378
Speaker 7: of person to tell lies. And then there was they

1654
01:16:53,418 --> 01:16:55,497
Speaker 7: were making it sound like it was so so bad,

1655
01:16:55,577 --> 01:16:59,097
Speaker 7: but it was just one thing and he's coming from

1656
01:16:59,777 --> 01:17:03,218
Speaker 7: not being a people quarterback, not being able to move

1657
01:17:03,258 --> 01:17:06,577
Speaker 7: the ball down the court too, of being able to

1658
01:17:06,617 --> 01:17:09,378
Speaker 7: move the ball I'm not the court the upfield, to

1659
01:17:09,577 --> 01:17:12,218
Speaker 7: being able to move the ball down the field one

1660
01:17:12,777 --> 01:17:16,017
Speaker 7: throwaway and there's the worst. So it is so bad.

1661
01:17:16,098 --> 01:17:19,258
Speaker 7: I disagree with that, and I hope you I think

1662
01:17:19,298 --> 01:17:21,857
Speaker 7: you do too, because you were showing the good things

1663
01:17:21,857 --> 01:17:24,817
Speaker 7: that he did and this act was did, and let's

1664
01:17:24,817 --> 01:17:27,697
Speaker 7: build on his good things and stop and stop trying

1665
01:17:27,777 --> 01:17:31,137
Speaker 7: to put down the mistakes. I mean, he's gonna come

1666
01:17:31,458 --> 01:17:33,777
Speaker 7: even if he makes two mistakes, he's steel better than,

1667
01:17:33,817 --> 01:17:36,937
Speaker 7: like you said, the last year a quarterback or three

1668
01:17:36,978 --> 01:17:40,697
Speaker 7: mistakes in the game. So so I think he was.

1669
01:17:41,258 --> 01:17:47,057
Speaker 7: There's everybody so surprised about him. It's because the last year,

1670
01:17:47,218 --> 01:17:50,897
Speaker 7: the last year coach uh made this big statement about

1671
01:17:50,897 --> 01:17:54,537
Speaker 7: his footwork. He's not that good and he was saying

1672
01:17:54,617 --> 01:17:57,017
Speaker 7: that and not everybody's saying, oh no, he's he's so

1673
01:17:57,138 --> 01:18:00,057
Speaker 7: brilliant because he had Tom Brady. But he's just probably

1674
01:18:00,497 --> 01:18:03,298
Speaker 7: glucked up on Tom Brady because he dad wasn't successful

1675
01:18:03,338 --> 01:18:07,857
Speaker 7: after that, and he made it. He just made put

1676
01:18:07,897 --> 01:18:11,737
Speaker 7: the groundwork down for Drake to be You know, not

1677
01:18:11,817 --> 01:18:16,497
Speaker 7: even started. Even when when Mao had in his mind

1678
01:18:16,497 --> 01:18:19,977
Speaker 7: and he really played, I played the other quarterback. You know,

1679
01:18:20,178 --> 01:18:23,298
Speaker 7: everybody was like, no, he's he's not that good. Look

1680
01:18:23,298 --> 01:18:26,097
Speaker 7: at his footwork. They don't look at his accuracy and throwing.

1681
01:18:26,378 --> 01:18:29,017
Speaker 7: They look at his footwork. I know he could. I

1682
01:18:29,058 --> 01:18:31,458
Speaker 7: know he's smart enough. He's gone to get that footwork

1683
01:18:31,777 --> 01:18:33,617
Speaker 7: and he's got to be a great player.

1684
01:18:33,978 --> 01:18:35,977
Speaker 3: But do you agree with me?

1685
01:18:36,338 --> 01:18:39,097
Speaker 4: I know you do, of course I do. Justin thank

1686
01:18:39,138 --> 01:18:41,697
Speaker 4: you so much for the call. And Justina is one

1687
01:18:41,737 --> 01:18:47,338
Speaker 4: hundred percent right. She was with me back in January, February, March,

1688
01:18:47,458 --> 01:18:50,258
Speaker 4: April before they even drafted the guy on the Drake

1689
01:18:50,338 --> 01:18:51,218
Speaker 4: May bandwagon.

1690
01:18:51,258 --> 01:18:52,338
Speaker 2: And I love that call.

1691
01:18:52,378 --> 01:18:55,697
Speaker 4: That's awesome, Justina, And where we're truthers, like we knew

1692
01:18:55,937 --> 01:18:57,137
Speaker 4: right we were head of the curve.

1693
01:18:57,617 --> 01:18:59,258
Speaker 2: I think that's the biggest thing to.

1694
01:18:59,218 --> 01:19:02,137
Speaker 4: Me too, is like they always, you know, harp on

1695
01:19:02,138 --> 01:19:04,298
Speaker 4: on these things with draft prospects. We all do it

1696
01:19:04,378 --> 01:19:06,497
Speaker 4: like you have to find the flaws, right, that's part

1697
01:19:06,497 --> 01:19:08,897
Speaker 4: of the job. And uh, you know, it's interesting that

1698
01:19:08,978 --> 01:19:12,857
Speaker 4: she brought up Belichick's critiques of Drake May in the

1699
01:19:12,937 --> 01:19:16,298
Speaker 4: draft because I I do bet that not for everybody,

1700
01:19:16,617 --> 01:19:18,418
Speaker 4: but I do bet that some of that is a

1701
01:19:18,458 --> 01:19:21,577
Speaker 4: factor in the fact that Bill kind of, you know,

1702
01:19:21,777 --> 01:19:24,577
Speaker 4: had his critiques of Drake May's footwork and things like

1703
01:19:24,657 --> 01:19:28,897
Speaker 4: that coming out. But it's really interesting to see, you know.

1704
01:19:29,418 --> 01:19:32,697
Speaker 4: Really to me is like the everybody's sort of learning

1705
01:19:32,737 --> 01:19:35,418
Speaker 4: about the person now and like the character of the player.

1706
01:19:35,857 --> 01:19:38,617
Speaker 4: And I remember, you know, standing in the locker room

1707
01:19:38,777 --> 01:19:41,737
Speaker 4: a couple of weeks ago when Devon Godshaw made the

1708
01:19:41,857 --> 01:19:45,737
Speaker 4: Josh Allen two point zero comment and you know after

1709
01:19:45,777 --> 01:19:47,657
Speaker 4: you had to like pick me up off the floor, right,

1710
01:19:47,697 --> 01:19:50,218
Speaker 4: I was like, wait a second, but like, shouldn't that

1711
01:19:52,378 --> 01:19:56,418
Speaker 4: ignite this locker room? Like shouldn't people be excited about

1712
01:19:56,497 --> 01:19:59,777
Speaker 4: that in here? And shouldn't we like shouldn't this bring

1713
01:19:59,817 --> 01:20:02,897
Speaker 4: an energy that didn't exist before? If like guys are

1714
01:20:02,937 --> 01:20:06,937
Speaker 4: seeing that, wow, like he he really is the real deal,

1715
01:20:07,058 --> 01:20:10,977
Speaker 4: Like we have a real franchise quarterback here in this

1716
01:20:11,098 --> 01:20:14,497
Speaker 4: rookie like that should it should be followed the leader

1717
01:20:14,537 --> 01:20:17,338
Speaker 4: after that? Right, like everybody should kind of you know,

1718
01:20:17,418 --> 01:20:19,298
Speaker 4: come in a little bit earlier and work a little

1719
01:20:19,298 --> 01:20:22,258
Speaker 4: bit harder and practice a little bit harder. And you

1720
01:20:22,298 --> 01:20:25,737
Speaker 4: hear about the things about Drake May, you know, standing

1721
01:20:25,817 --> 01:20:28,378
Speaker 4: up in front of team meetings and like speaking his mind.

1722
01:20:28,978 --> 01:20:32,897
Speaker 4: I just really think that people overlook the intangibles and

1723
01:20:33,218 --> 01:20:35,617
Speaker 4: good on Look. I know a lot of people sit

1724
01:20:35,657 --> 01:20:37,378
Speaker 4: there and say, like it's easy to pick the third

1725
01:20:37,418 --> 01:20:40,418
Speaker 4: quarterback and a three quarterback draft and not move and

1726
01:20:40,537 --> 01:20:43,497
Speaker 4: just make the pick like Elliott Wolf did. But one

1727
01:20:43,537 --> 01:20:46,017
Speaker 4: of the things that he said right after the draft

1728
01:20:46,098 --> 01:20:48,697
Speaker 4: when they made the pick on that Thursday night, was

1729
01:20:48,737 --> 01:20:52,697
Speaker 4: talking about Drake May's intangibles and the family and how

1730
01:20:52,697 --> 01:20:55,378
Speaker 4: he was the youngest of four brothers, all athletes, and

1731
01:20:55,418 --> 01:20:58,017
Speaker 4: his father was an athlete, and just sort of all

1732
01:20:58,098 --> 01:21:02,258
Speaker 4: these different things about him the person. And they they

1733
01:21:02,338 --> 01:21:05,897
Speaker 4: knew it then that they had a high character guy,

1734
01:21:06,018 --> 01:21:07,657
Speaker 4: and it was good on them. Good on them for

1735
01:21:07,737 --> 01:21:10,817
Speaker 4: recognizing that because it's really underrated part about this whole thing.

1736
01:21:10,897 --> 01:21:12,657
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's tough, tough part to go about it. I

1737
01:21:12,657 --> 01:21:15,058
Speaker 2: mean you look at to compare it Caleb Williams and

1738
01:21:15,098 --> 01:21:16,937
Speaker 2: what's going on with the Bears, and yeah, maybe the

1739
01:21:16,978 --> 01:21:19,177
Speaker 2: morality they have one more win, but the morale doesn't

1740
01:21:19,178 --> 01:21:21,178
Speaker 2: as high there as it could be, and that that's

1741
01:21:21,178 --> 01:21:23,497
Speaker 2: a factor in the long term. Yeah, absolutely, all right,

1742
01:21:23,737 --> 01:21:25,497
Speaker 2: Sean is in Vancouver. What's up, Sean?

1743
01:21:26,937 --> 01:21:30,017
Speaker 9: Hey, you know it's not an age thing. Got your

1744
01:21:30,937 --> 01:21:36,097
Speaker 9: anyone else who remembers that he went to North Carolina State?

1745
01:21:37,098 --> 01:21:39,857
Speaker 9: But because I didn't know that, But I do know

1746
01:21:40,697 --> 01:21:45,257
Speaker 9: that Tippett went to Iowa. So yeah, that's that's my bias.

1747
01:21:45,418 --> 01:21:47,258
Speaker 2: If you work here, you need to know that shot.

1748
01:21:47,497 --> 01:21:49,378
Speaker 2: That's like, that's one of those.

1749
01:21:50,378 --> 01:21:51,577
Speaker 6: Yeah, that makes sense.

1750
01:21:52,497 --> 01:21:55,218
Speaker 9: Now, Evan, I missed you in San Francisco, but I'm

1751
01:21:55,218 --> 01:21:57,497
Speaker 9: going to be in Miami next week, so I'm hoping

1752
01:21:57,537 --> 01:21:58,897
Speaker 9: that I get to meet you down there.

1753
01:21:59,018 --> 01:22:03,537
Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely great, and.

1754
01:22:03,897 --> 01:22:05,817
Speaker 9: I feel like speaking to Miami. I feel like an

1755
01:22:05,857 --> 01:22:09,937
Speaker 9: old Dolphins fan because right now I'm like looking at

1756
01:22:09,978 --> 01:22:13,937
Speaker 9: the chief schedule moving forward and seeing that their two

1757
01:22:14,018 --> 01:22:19,497
Speaker 9: home games are against Cleveland and Carolina. So I'm now

1758
01:22:19,617 --> 01:22:22,298
Speaker 9: rooting for the Bills to win on Sunday, which drives

1759
01:22:22,338 --> 01:22:25,577
Speaker 9: me insane. I don't want the Chiefs to three PM.

1760
01:22:25,697 --> 01:22:26,697
Speaker 9: I definitely don't want them to.

1761
01:22:26,697 --> 01:22:27,298
Speaker 3: Go undefeat it.

1762
01:22:27,657 --> 01:22:28,697
Speaker 9: And how you feel about that?

1763
01:22:29,777 --> 01:22:31,657
Speaker 4: Oh, I'm with you, Sean, and thanks for the call,

1764
01:22:31,697 --> 01:22:34,977
Speaker 4: and definitely shoot me a messager email on U you

1765
01:22:34,978 --> 01:22:37,138
Speaker 4: can DM me on Twitter too, and we'll meet up

1766
01:22:37,178 --> 01:22:39,777
Speaker 4: in Miami. But I'm definitely rooting for the Chiefs not

1767
01:22:40,178 --> 01:22:43,058
Speaker 4: to go undefeated. Even know the Patriots didn't finish the deal, Like,

1768
01:22:43,338 --> 01:22:45,577
Speaker 4: it's still I still kind of cooler. The only sixteen

1769
01:22:45,617 --> 01:22:48,138
Speaker 4: to OH team in regular season history. Plus I just

1770
01:22:48,138 --> 01:22:50,537
Speaker 4: don't like the Chiefs. Like it's just all of it.

1771
01:22:50,777 --> 01:22:53,458
Speaker 2: I'm with that. Yeah, I mean, I'm rooting against this

1772
01:22:53,458 --> 01:22:55,458
Speaker 2: week's game is gonna be gross on this week's game.

1773
01:22:55,537 --> 01:22:57,697
Speaker 2: It's tough for you. It's tough. Well, but no, you

1774
01:22:57,737 --> 01:23:00,737
Speaker 2: know what, but the Bills always beat him in the

1775
01:23:00,737 --> 01:23:02,697
Speaker 2: regular season. The Chiefs always beat him in the playoffs.

1776
01:23:02,777 --> 01:23:06,897
Speaker 2: So you know, I don't know, can suck? Can can

1777
01:23:06,937 --> 01:23:10,697
Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson? Please? Can the Ravens please save me from this?

1778
01:23:10,697 --> 01:23:13,937
Speaker 4: This is like you picking between I can't think of

1779
01:23:13,978 --> 01:23:15,737
Speaker 4: a really bad option, Yeah, really bad.

1780
01:23:15,777 --> 01:23:21,817
Speaker 2: I can't. Please give me a super Bowl I can enjoy. Like, please,

1781
01:23:22,537 --> 01:23:24,338
Speaker 2: I'll take the Niners in the Super Bowl again. That's

1782
01:23:24,338 --> 01:23:26,817
Speaker 2: fine because I know I'll get the outcome I wanted. Now,

1783
01:23:27,897 --> 01:23:30,458
Speaker 2: can Lamar Jackson? This isn't saying he has been trying.

1784
01:23:30,577 --> 01:23:32,218
Speaker 2: I don't mean this to knock them R Jackson, but

1785
01:23:32,258 --> 01:23:36,138
Speaker 2: like you're my only hope. You're my only hope. The

1786
01:23:36,178 --> 01:23:38,218
Speaker 2: Bengals aren't doing it. That team's not working this year.

1787
01:23:38,258 --> 01:23:39,857
Speaker 2: I'm not I know the Steelers have a good record.

1788
01:23:39,857 --> 01:23:41,537
Speaker 2: I'm not a believer in that team. Yeah, as a

1789
01:23:41,617 --> 01:23:44,338
Speaker 2: champion contender. The Texans have taken a step back. Who

1790
01:23:44,418 --> 01:23:48,617
Speaker 2: else is there in the AFC? The Chargers? Harbaugh? No, please, no,

1791
01:23:48,777 --> 01:23:51,298
Speaker 2: not that Horrball. He's in a bad way. I thought

1792
01:23:51,298 --> 01:23:53,537
Speaker 2: maybe Rogers would at least like be a factor in

1793
01:23:53,577 --> 01:23:57,658
Speaker 2: the regular season. That didn't work. Please Ravens, Derrick Henry,

1794
01:23:58,098 --> 01:24:03,977
Speaker 2: please finish this thing. I'm a little worried about you

1795
01:24:04,058 --> 01:24:06,537
Speaker 2: right now. Are you good? Are good? I'm good, But

1796
01:24:06,577 --> 01:24:09,577
Speaker 2: like you're really worried annoying. You're really worried the Bills are.

1797
01:24:09,537 --> 01:24:11,338
Speaker 4: Gonna win the Super Bowl, aren't you?

1798
01:24:11,338 --> 01:24:14,058
Speaker 2: You're starting to I'm not worried about that. But the

1799
01:24:14,657 --> 01:24:17,218
Speaker 2: longer they go, the more annoying they are. So here's

1800
01:24:17,258 --> 01:24:17,577
Speaker 2: the thing.

1801
01:24:17,737 --> 01:24:19,497
Speaker 4: I am worried the Chiefs are gonna win. You know,

1802
01:24:19,497 --> 01:24:22,138
Speaker 4: I'm a Josh Allen guy. Yeah, but I still don't

1803
01:24:22,178 --> 01:24:23,657
Speaker 4: want the Bills to win the Super Bowl. Like I

1804
01:24:23,657 --> 01:24:24,977
Speaker 4: want Josh Allen to play well.

1805
01:24:25,098 --> 01:24:27,337
Speaker 2: I want Josh Allen to win a Super Bowl elsewhere.

1806
01:24:27,497 --> 01:24:29,097
Speaker 4: I don't want him to win the Super Bowl, though,

1807
01:24:29,138 --> 01:24:31,937
Speaker 4: like I want him to win MVP. I want him

1808
01:24:31,978 --> 01:24:34,497
Speaker 4: to be cemented. I want all of that, but I want.

1809
01:24:34,418 --> 01:24:35,657
Speaker 2: Him want him to be Joel Embiid.

1810
01:24:35,978 --> 01:24:39,057
Speaker 4: Yeah, or like our ear is like Dan Marino, right, sure,

1811
01:24:39,138 --> 01:24:40,258
Speaker 4: Joel Embid.

1812
01:24:39,937 --> 01:24:45,017
Speaker 2: M VP, MVP, no championships. That's because you just described.

1813
01:24:45,817 --> 01:24:50,458
Speaker 2: But we all like Jill. No one likes Joel and Bid.

1814
01:24:50,497 --> 01:24:52,418
Speaker 2: The Bill's and the Sixers the same thing.

1815
01:24:52,418 --> 01:24:55,017
Speaker 4: But nobody likes Joel Embiid. I like Josh Allen.

1816
01:24:55,458 --> 01:24:57,857
Speaker 2: I think it's like Dan Marino, all right, or maybe

1817
01:24:57,857 --> 01:25:00,737
Speaker 2: like Charles Barkley, but less Marino. I mean it's in

1818
01:25:00,777 --> 01:25:04,458
Speaker 2: the division Marino. Yeah, yeah, no, not Joel Embid. Can

1819
01:25:04,458 --> 01:25:08,338
Speaker 2: the Ravens like? Can the Ravens? Please? And I want

1820
01:25:08,378 --> 01:25:10,378
Speaker 2: to see Lamark like I want to see Lamar Jackson

1821
01:25:10,418 --> 01:25:11,937
Speaker 2: want to ring? Yeah? And you know I was not

1822
01:25:12,018 --> 01:25:14,537
Speaker 2: a big Lamar Jackson guy coming out. I think he

1823
01:25:14,777 --> 01:25:17,097
Speaker 2: there's a video somewhere of you saying that Lamar Jackson

1824
01:25:17,098 --> 01:25:19,537
Speaker 2: can't throw. He couldn't at the time, and that's part

1825
01:25:19,537 --> 01:25:21,378
Speaker 2: of the reason I like Lamar Jackson so much now.

1826
01:25:21,458 --> 01:25:25,617
Speaker 2: I think the way he transformed his game is unbelievable.

1827
01:25:25,777 --> 01:25:27,537
Speaker 4: I've always been to Lamar unbelievable.

1828
01:25:27,577 --> 01:25:31,737
Speaker 2: The way he took a unique skill set and then

1829
01:25:31,937 --> 01:25:34,338
Speaker 2: built around it to be the player he needed to

1830
01:25:34,338 --> 01:25:36,697
Speaker 2: be in the NFL, I think is a tremendous testament

1831
01:25:36,737 --> 01:25:40,378
Speaker 2: to him. In the Ravens organization, I would love to

1832
01:25:40,418 --> 01:25:42,338
Speaker 2: I've been you like I was out of them. I've

1833
01:25:42,338 --> 01:25:43,937
Speaker 2: been a big Lamar Jackson guy for the last like

1834
01:25:43,937 --> 01:25:47,297
Speaker 2: two to three years. I really that that twenty twenty

1835
01:25:47,777 --> 01:25:49,897
Speaker 2: one twenty two season, what was the year he just

1836
01:25:49,897 --> 01:25:52,537
Speaker 2: started going nuts throwing the ball? Well, nineteen he one

1837
01:25:52,617 --> 01:25:55,617
Speaker 2: MVP in nineteen one MVP, but he still wasn't like

1838
01:25:55,777 --> 01:25:58,418
Speaker 2: the same passer. What was that year? They said, like

1839
01:25:58,418 --> 01:26:00,298
Speaker 2: in the off season, they're like, he could Probably the

1840
01:26:00,378 --> 01:26:02,937
Speaker 2: year they hired Todd Monkin. No, that was this year.

1841
01:26:03,138 --> 01:26:04,777
Speaker 2: That was two years ago. Okay, so then that's what

1842
01:26:04,817 --> 01:26:06,857
Speaker 2: it was. That, like they talked about, he went in

1843
01:26:06,857 --> 01:26:09,617
Speaker 2: the off season and redeveloped himself as a passer. And

1844
01:26:10,018 --> 01:26:11,458
Speaker 2: you know, you hear a lot of guys talk about

1845
01:26:11,497 --> 01:26:13,458
Speaker 2: doing that, they don't do it, and he did it,

1846
01:26:13,617 --> 01:26:16,258
Speaker 2: and good for him, and I just I respect the

1847
01:26:16,338 --> 01:26:19,577
Speaker 2: Ravens organization too, Like a good organization and it would

1848
01:26:19,617 --> 01:26:20,817
Speaker 2: be cool to see Lamar get one.

1849
01:26:21,098 --> 01:26:23,777
Speaker 4: So I personally have always been on the Mark guy

1850
01:26:23,777 --> 01:26:27,697
Speaker 4: as you know. Yeah, And it's totally different in terms

1851
01:26:27,737 --> 01:26:31,138
Speaker 4: of their skill sets. I'm not comparing them as players necessarily,

1852
01:26:31,817 --> 01:26:34,937
Speaker 4: but the things that Lamar was knocked for as a

1853
01:26:34,978 --> 01:26:39,577
Speaker 4: passer early on, it wasn't all that different between him

1854
01:26:39,577 --> 01:26:42,177
Speaker 4: and Drake may because when I watched him in college

1855
01:26:42,218 --> 01:26:45,657
Speaker 4: at Louisville, like he outside the numbers was if he

1856
01:26:46,018 --> 01:26:50,217
Speaker 4: with him, But he at Louisville was a really really

1857
01:26:50,258 --> 01:26:52,817
Speaker 4: good thrower in the middle of the field from day

1858
01:26:52,857 --> 01:26:55,577
Speaker 4: one and won the Heisman Trophy with a lot of

1859
01:26:55,577 --> 01:26:58,098
Speaker 4: throws from the pocket. But the highlights are obviously just

1860
01:26:58,178 --> 01:27:00,977
Speaker 4: him running and that's what gets all the attention because

1861
01:27:01,058 --> 01:27:03,777
Speaker 4: that's what all the highlight packages. But like if you

1862
01:27:03,857 --> 01:27:06,977
Speaker 4: go back and watch Lamar at Louisville, really really good

1863
01:27:07,018 --> 01:27:10,418
Speaker 4: thrower between the numbers from the pocket, He's developed a

1864
01:27:10,418 --> 01:27:12,617
Speaker 4: lot outside the numbers, and I'm sure he's developed a

1865
01:27:12,657 --> 01:27:15,098
Speaker 4: lot mentally in the passing game. And there were some

1866
01:27:15,178 --> 01:27:17,657
Speaker 4: things with like he threw from a really narrow base

1867
01:27:17,737 --> 01:27:20,977
Speaker 4: and throwing platform at Louisville that he fixed to help

1868
01:27:21,098 --> 01:27:24,737
Speaker 4: drive the ball more consistently outside the numbers. But you

1869
01:27:24,777 --> 01:27:26,697
Speaker 4: go watch some of those throws that Lamar made at

1870
01:27:26,737 --> 01:27:29,178
Speaker 4: Louisville from the pocket, he could hit it like he

1871
01:27:29,178 --> 01:27:31,977
Speaker 4: could really throw some darts. And that was another one

1872
01:27:31,978 --> 01:27:34,657
Speaker 4: where people were telling, you know, saying, like he can't throw,

1873
01:27:35,018 --> 01:27:36,458
Speaker 4: you know, he's not going to be able to throw

1874
01:27:36,497 --> 01:27:39,218
Speaker 4: at the NFL level. Uh the YadA, YadA, YadA. And

1875
01:27:39,338 --> 01:27:41,177
Speaker 4: like two years in he's the league MVP.

1876
01:27:41,537 --> 01:27:43,897
Speaker 2: The thing is and and this is credit to Greg Roman.

1877
01:27:43,978 --> 01:27:46,897
Speaker 2: Like when he came in his rookie year for Flacco,

1878
01:27:47,777 --> 01:27:50,897
Speaker 2: he was running Joe Flacco's offense, which was dated at

1879
01:27:50,897 --> 01:27:53,657
Speaker 2: the time. Yeah, and then they bring in Roman and they.

1880
01:27:53,617 --> 01:27:57,697
Speaker 4: Start doing the already there and they kind of them

1881
01:27:57,978 --> 01:28:00,418
Speaker 4: so they yeah, they kind of developed it behind the scenes.

1882
01:28:00,897 --> 01:28:03,418
Speaker 4: Is really what happened is they like sort of started

1883
01:28:03,458 --> 01:28:06,777
Speaker 4: to develop Roman did a Lamar offense because they always

1884
01:28:06,817 --> 01:28:08,378
Speaker 4: knew they were going to Lamar events.

1885
01:28:08,418 --> 01:28:10,697
Speaker 2: But do you remember like that playoff game his rookie year,

1886
01:28:10,737 --> 01:28:13,617
Speaker 2: they just had him like drop back passing, like they

1887
01:28:13,737 --> 01:28:15,777
Speaker 2: they were not using his legs at all, and it

1888
01:28:15,897 --> 01:28:17,777
Speaker 2: was like this isn't gonna work. They're trying to turn

1889
01:28:17,817 --> 01:28:20,057
Speaker 2: him into Joe Flacco. He's not Joe Flacco. Yeah, and

1890
01:28:20,098 --> 01:28:23,657
Speaker 2: then Roman overhauled it and brought in the Kaepernick stuff

1891
01:28:23,657 --> 01:28:26,577
Speaker 2: the same way and it worked. Yeah. Yeah, it's a

1892
01:28:26,657 --> 01:28:29,378
Speaker 2: it's an interesting foil to me with Lamar, not even

1893
01:28:29,418 --> 01:28:32,697
Speaker 2: foil like comparison with Lamar because, like I think his

1894
01:28:32,897 --> 01:28:36,017
Speaker 2: career trajectory now, obviously the difference is that he wins

1895
01:28:36,098 --> 01:28:38,298
Speaker 2: MVP his second year and I'm not ready to say

1896
01:28:38,298 --> 01:28:41,178
Speaker 2: that he had a much better team around him and

1897
01:28:41,298 --> 01:28:44,937
Speaker 2: he's a better runner and like Drake's never gonna be

1898
01:28:44,937 --> 01:28:45,697
Speaker 2: that kind of run.

1899
01:28:45,737 --> 01:28:48,058
Speaker 4: No, But they said the same things about Lamar that

1900
01:28:48,098 --> 01:28:50,338
Speaker 4: he wasn't gonna be able to throw enough consistently from

1901
01:28:50,338 --> 01:28:52,897
Speaker 4: the pocket. I think some people still say it now,

1902
01:28:53,178 --> 01:28:53,338
Speaker 4: you know.

1903
01:28:53,458 --> 01:28:55,218
Speaker 2: Is why he's losing in the playoffs is because he

1904
01:28:55,218 --> 01:28:57,817
Speaker 2: can't throw them all from He's losing the playoffs because

1905
01:28:58,978 --> 01:29:01,458
Speaker 2: they became so It's kind of like the Bills. They

1906
01:29:01,458 --> 01:29:03,378
Speaker 2: became so reliant on his run game every year they

1907
01:29:03,418 --> 01:29:04,577
Speaker 2: get to the end of the year and he's beat

1908
01:29:04,657 --> 01:29:06,937
Speaker 2: up and he couldn't do it. That's why I love

1909
01:29:06,937 --> 01:29:10,777
Speaker 2: the Derek Henry acquisition. It's taken so much physicality off

1910
01:29:10,817 --> 01:29:13,737
Speaker 2: of Lamar's plate that I think you're gonna see, uh,

1911
01:29:14,018 --> 01:29:17,418
Speaker 2: a guy that that's in better shape, that is much

1912
01:29:17,458 --> 01:29:20,458
Speaker 2: more physically ready to go when we get to January

1913
01:29:20,458 --> 01:29:23,857
Speaker 2: than we've ever seen with Lamar Jackson. Maybe Derrick Henry.

1914
01:29:23,897 --> 01:29:25,737
Speaker 2: At that point it falls off because that's been his

1915
01:29:25,777 --> 01:29:28,298
Speaker 2: whole career, right, he gets crappied out of him all year,

1916
01:29:28,338 --> 01:29:30,458
Speaker 2: and look, he's given out some body blows like running

1917
01:29:30,817 --> 01:29:32,697
Speaker 2: usually don't. But he's taken some shots as well. But

1918
01:29:33,657 --> 01:29:36,458
Speaker 2: you know that was with Ryan Tannehill, that was with

1919
01:29:36,857 --> 01:29:41,218
Speaker 2: Will Levis. Now it's Lamar Jackson who's rested, and you

1920
01:29:41,378 --> 01:29:43,497
Speaker 2: let Derrick Henry take the beating in the regular season

1921
01:29:43,737 --> 01:29:46,138
Speaker 2: and now you get to truly unleash Lamar in the playoffs.

1922
01:29:46,298 --> 01:29:48,218
Speaker 2: That's why I liked the Ravens in the AFC this

1923
01:29:48,338 --> 01:29:52,177
Speaker 2: year because I thought, I think that dynamic it's super unique.

1924
01:29:52,218 --> 01:29:54,737
Speaker 2: You also just are obsessed with Derrick Henry. I mean,

1925
01:29:54,937 --> 01:29:57,097
Speaker 2: he's We're never gonna see anything like Derrick Henry again.

1926
01:29:57,298 --> 01:30:00,577
Speaker 2: We never will. He's Rob Gronkowski playing running back.

1927
01:30:00,978 --> 01:30:02,937
Speaker 4: We said we would never see anything again like the

1928
01:30:02,978 --> 01:30:05,298
Speaker 4: prime Patriots, and now the Chiefs are going on.

1929
01:30:05,218 --> 01:30:05,418
Speaker 3: With it.

1930
01:30:07,817 --> 01:30:11,497
Speaker 2: For a couple of things. One, the paint had twenty years.

1931
01:30:12,218 --> 01:30:15,937
Speaker 4: Twenty years what I said the prime Patriots, I said, like,

1932
01:30:15,978 --> 01:30:17,737
Speaker 4: you know, we never thought that we would see a

1933
01:30:17,777 --> 01:30:20,137
Speaker 4: team dominate the league. The Chiefs are nine to zero

1934
01:30:20,138 --> 01:30:22,777
Speaker 4: going on a three peat. But six years, it's sixty

1935
01:30:23,338 --> 01:30:24,137
Speaker 4: two decades.

1936
01:30:24,178 --> 01:30:27,617
Speaker 2: It's different. It's also we're never gonna see Derrick Henry

1937
01:30:27,617 --> 01:30:31,338
Speaker 2: again because the way the running back posi is viewed

1938
01:30:31,897 --> 01:30:34,937
Speaker 2: is different because they don't because of your freaking nerds.

1939
01:30:35,298 --> 01:30:36,137
Speaker 2: The running back.

1940
01:30:35,978 --> 01:30:38,537
Speaker 4: Position is the correct take on running backs.

1941
01:30:39,138 --> 01:30:42,258
Speaker 2: Derrick Henry is helping them win some games right now. Yeah,

1942
01:30:42,458 --> 01:30:45,017
Speaker 2: so is the run blocking. So is Lamar. Derek Henry

1943
01:30:45,058 --> 01:30:47,217
Speaker 2: is helping them win some games. I'm just teasing Derek Henry.

1944
01:30:47,458 --> 01:30:56,258
Speaker 2: We will never see wait sixty anyways, move will never

1945
01:30:56,298 --> 01:30:58,657
Speaker 2: see anything coming on because we're just talking a lot

1946
01:30:58,697 --> 01:30:59,777
Speaker 2: of Baltimore Ravens.

1947
01:30:59,777 --> 01:31:03,458
Speaker 4: Because you know, I love Lamar. You're you're You've been

1948
01:31:03,497 --> 01:31:07,098
Speaker 4: adopted to the Lamar like I was born in the darkness,

1949
01:31:07,098 --> 01:31:09,218
Speaker 4: Like you're just kind of adopting it right now with

1950
01:31:09,338 --> 01:31:10,097
Speaker 4: Lamar Jackson.

1951
01:31:10,178 --> 01:31:11,657
Speaker 2: So I've been I've been on this train for a

1952
01:31:11,657 --> 01:31:14,817
Speaker 2: few years. Uh huh, okay, I remember I didn I

1953
01:31:14,857 --> 01:31:16,258
Speaker 2: didn't like him coming out. I didn't like him. I

1954
01:31:16,258 --> 01:31:18,817
Speaker 2: was wrong about that one. I once said, this ended

1955
01:31:18,897 --> 01:31:22,097
Speaker 2: up being my best take. I once said, Lamar Jackson

1956
01:31:22,138 --> 01:31:24,577
Speaker 2: and Josh Allen are pretty much the same guy. The

1957
01:31:24,617 --> 01:31:26,617
Speaker 2: context in which I said it is not important.

1958
01:31:26,697 --> 01:31:29,537
Speaker 4: Oh God, oh God, too bad takes from you there?

1959
01:31:29,577 --> 01:31:30,777
Speaker 2: All right? Is that wrong?

1960
01:31:30,897 --> 01:31:33,617
Speaker 4: Josh Allen and your Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen takes

1961
01:31:33,657 --> 01:31:36,617
Speaker 4: are not aging? Well, friend, they're not. You're kind of

1962
01:31:36,617 --> 01:31:37,538
Speaker 4: wrong in vodkams.

1963
01:31:37,617 --> 01:31:40,418
Speaker 2: But am I wrong in saying Lamar Jackson Josh Allen

1964
01:31:40,657 --> 01:31:45,017
Speaker 2: same level of impact? I mean MVP impact. Yes, I

1965
01:31:45,058 --> 01:31:47,377
Speaker 2: think context in which I said it is not important.

1966
01:31:48,857 --> 01:31:53,218
Speaker 4: Okay, moving on to more pertinent things about the Patriots.

1967
01:31:53,218 --> 01:31:55,817
Speaker 4: We have some emails coming in. We'll get to those

1968
01:31:55,857 --> 01:31:57,298
Speaker 4: in a second. But I do want to talk some

1969
01:31:57,378 --> 01:32:00,458
Speaker 4: Rams because, like I feel like we're almost there. We're

1970
01:32:00,577 --> 01:32:03,337
Speaker 4: almost there to the point where the games the Patriots

1971
01:32:03,378 --> 01:32:06,057
Speaker 4: play week to week actually matter, and that's a good feeling.

1972
01:32:06,378 --> 01:32:08,577
Speaker 4: I want to talk a little bit of Rams. I

1973
01:32:08,577 --> 01:32:11,258
Speaker 4: think the big thing with them, obviously that everybody's pointing

1974
01:32:11,258 --> 01:32:14,057
Speaker 4: out this week is more than fair about their defensive line.

1975
01:32:14,258 --> 01:32:17,097
Speaker 4: It's a bad matchup in that regard. I do think

1976
01:32:17,098 --> 01:32:20,218
Speaker 4: they're still working through some things in the secondary, and

1977
01:32:20,298 --> 01:32:22,897
Speaker 4: if you can pass protect, that secondary can be had.

1978
01:32:22,937 --> 01:32:25,657
Speaker 4: A little bit kind of said that yeah Wednesday, Yeah,

1979
01:32:25,737 --> 01:32:26,617
Speaker 4: but caught himself.

1980
01:32:26,617 --> 01:32:26,977
Speaker 2: He said it.

1981
01:32:27,018 --> 01:32:30,218
Speaker 4: Their defensive line is is legitimate, and you look at

1982
01:32:31,298 --> 01:32:35,897
Speaker 4: I think it's fascinating the whole FM pick strategy and

1983
01:32:35,937 --> 01:32:38,258
Speaker 4: then how they've sort of pivot outed that in the

1984
01:32:38,378 --> 01:32:41,137
Speaker 4: last couple of years under less Need and now less

1985
01:32:41,178 --> 01:32:45,097
Speaker 4: Need has drafted picks all over the place that are

1986
01:32:45,138 --> 01:32:48,737
Speaker 4: like contributing, and especially early picks like Verse and Fisk

1987
01:32:48,817 --> 01:32:53,378
Speaker 4: and you know, Byron Young and Kobe Turner and like

1988
01:32:53,458 --> 01:32:55,817
Speaker 4: all these guys that were like first second round picks

1989
01:32:55,817 --> 01:32:59,378
Speaker 4: for the Rams, all of a sudden are playing amazing football,

1990
01:32:59,418 --> 01:33:01,697
Speaker 4: like Jared Versus probably the defensive rookie of the year.

1991
01:33:02,338 --> 01:33:04,418
Speaker 4: So what do you see with this Rams defense and

1992
01:33:04,737 --> 01:33:06,378
Speaker 4: how much does this matchup? Where are you on that

1993
01:33:06,418 --> 01:33:06,937
Speaker 4: side of the ball.

1994
01:33:07,018 --> 01:33:08,937
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, like you talked about it, that it's

1995
01:33:08,937 --> 01:33:11,097
Speaker 2: that front and they can cause havoc. I think this

1996
01:33:11,138 --> 01:33:13,258
Speaker 2: is a game where and we already spent a lot

1997
01:33:13,258 --> 01:33:16,418
Speaker 2: of time on this, but it's as important as ever

1998
01:33:16,497 --> 01:33:20,178
Speaker 2: you get those same five, and girod Meo said when

1999
01:33:20,218 --> 01:33:22,338
Speaker 2: he was asked about on Wednesday, it's like, be fantastic

2000
01:33:22,577 --> 01:33:24,057
Speaker 2: if we can have the same five, And that's their

2001
01:33:24,098 --> 01:33:28,857
Speaker 2: expectation because they're quick and it's not just that they

2002
01:33:28,897 --> 01:33:31,458
Speaker 2: are quick players individually. They do a lot of subtle

2003
01:33:31,497 --> 01:33:33,418
Speaker 2: things quickly. And this is a team that we know

2004
01:33:33,458 --> 01:33:37,137
Speaker 2: has had trouble with line games this year. You gotta

2005
01:33:37,178 --> 01:33:38,777
Speaker 2: be on the same page with everybody around you, and

2006
01:33:38,777 --> 01:33:41,258
Speaker 2: that's Drake may too, and like there's gonna be more

2007
01:33:41,298 --> 01:33:43,458
Speaker 2: for him to recognize I think upfront than there's been

2008
01:33:43,497 --> 01:33:45,697
Speaker 2: in other games that Titans defense is obviously nuts. We

2009
01:33:45,777 --> 01:33:49,497
Speaker 2: talked about that, Yeah, but continuity is key this week

2010
01:33:49,577 --> 01:33:51,298
Speaker 2: up front. I think this is a week where, you know,

2011
01:33:51,338 --> 01:33:53,057
Speaker 2: the last couple of weeks, I was just yelling about

2012
01:33:53,098 --> 01:33:55,177
Speaker 2: keeping the same group because I think it's better big picture.

2013
01:33:55,537 --> 01:33:57,857
Speaker 2: This is a game where specifically, I think that factors up.

2014
01:33:57,978 --> 01:34:00,497
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a really tough group to block because they

2015
01:34:00,537 --> 01:34:02,497
Speaker 4: do a lot of things schematically too. There's a lot

2016
01:34:02,497 --> 01:34:06,977
Speaker 4: of movement in their pass rusher pass rush package. And

2017
01:34:07,298 --> 01:34:12,058
Speaker 4: Chris Schuler their defensive coordinator. Yes, that is Don Shula's grandson.

2018
01:34:12,617 --> 01:34:14,937
Speaker 4: By the way, we're talking about that on one football. Yeah,

2019
01:34:15,058 --> 01:34:19,617
Speaker 4: is now the defensive coordinator for the Rams. And interesting

2020
01:34:19,857 --> 01:34:24,378
Speaker 4: just background with Chris Shula. Obviously, his grandfather is the

2021
01:34:24,497 --> 01:34:27,897
Speaker 4: Don Sula. His father, David Julia, also coached in the NFL.

2022
01:34:28,218 --> 01:34:29,937
Speaker 4: It was a head coach in the league, and then

2023
01:34:29,937 --> 01:34:33,258
Speaker 4: he was shot on mcvay's college roommate on top of that.

2024
01:34:33,617 --> 01:34:35,737
Speaker 4: So like there's a lot of reasons why he's ended

2025
01:34:35,817 --> 01:34:38,058
Speaker 4: up where he's ended up in terms of you know,

2026
01:34:38,138 --> 01:34:40,977
Speaker 4: coaching pedigree and things like that. And it was a

2027
01:34:41,018 --> 01:34:43,897
Speaker 4: little bit of a surprise hire for Sean McVay because

2028
01:34:43,897 --> 01:34:47,577
Speaker 4: he's usually gone with more experienced defensive coordinators because he's

2029
01:34:47,617 --> 01:34:50,857
Speaker 4: a younger head coach, you know, Wade Phillips and Raheem

2030
01:34:50,897 --> 01:34:52,937
Speaker 4: Morris and like guys that have just been around the

2031
01:34:52,978 --> 01:34:56,057
Speaker 4: block and done it. But now that McVeigh is eight

2032
01:34:56,138 --> 01:34:58,218
Speaker 4: years into this thing, he probably felt a little bit

2033
01:34:58,258 --> 01:35:01,577
Speaker 4: more confident going with a more up and coming coordinator.

2034
01:35:01,857 --> 01:35:05,977
Speaker 4: And Chris Shula runs a very exotic pressure package, Like

2035
01:35:06,058 --> 01:35:07,857
Speaker 4: they spend the dial a lot, do a lot of

2036
01:35:07,857 --> 01:35:10,617
Speaker 4: this stuff that I get all hot and bothered about,

2037
01:35:10,697 --> 01:35:13,617
Speaker 4: you know, creepers and sim pressures and we're gonna drop

2038
01:35:13,657 --> 01:35:15,737
Speaker 4: this guy, We're gonna rush that guy, and you're not

2039
01:35:15,777 --> 01:35:17,657
Speaker 4: gonna be able to sort it through. And then you

2040
01:35:17,737 --> 01:35:20,178
Speaker 4: put out the fact that they also have really good

2041
01:35:20,218 --> 01:35:23,617
Speaker 4: talent on the defensive line, and you have probably the

2042
01:35:23,617 --> 01:35:26,577
Speaker 4: best front in football right now besides maybe Houston's. It's

2043
01:35:26,617 --> 01:35:29,577
Speaker 4: like Rams and Houston or Neck and Neck in a

2044
01:35:29,657 --> 01:35:30,458
Speaker 4: pretty much everything.

2045
01:35:30,617 --> 01:35:32,697
Speaker 2: They have the linebackers too. I think they're like the

2046
01:35:33,218 --> 01:35:35,817
Speaker 2: defensive line might be better in Houston. The Rams, I

2047
01:35:35,817 --> 01:35:38,057
Speaker 2: think of the better linebacker and they play into this league.

2048
01:35:38,218 --> 01:35:41,418
Speaker 2: Yeah again, we're talking about the front. Yeah. Yeah.

2049
01:35:41,418 --> 01:35:43,017
Speaker 4: So this is a big week to me on the

2050
01:35:43,058 --> 01:35:47,697
Speaker 4: offensive side for Drake May with two things answers to pressure,

2051
01:35:47,857 --> 01:35:49,937
Speaker 4: Like there's gonna be some free runners every once in

2052
01:35:49,978 --> 01:35:53,138
Speaker 4: a while, there's gonna be some chess match stuff that

2053
01:35:53,218 --> 01:35:55,378
Speaker 4: him and Ben Brown before the snap are gonna have

2054
01:35:55,418 --> 01:35:57,617
Speaker 4: to sort out. You know which way are we sliding?

2055
01:35:57,617 --> 01:35:59,977
Speaker 4: Where are we hot? You know where are we where's

2056
01:36:00,018 --> 01:36:02,458
Speaker 4: the pressure coming from? Like those types of things are

2057
01:36:02,458 --> 01:36:04,857
Speaker 4: gonna be big this week. And I put a lot

2058
01:36:04,897 --> 01:36:07,057
Speaker 4: of that emphasis on the players, but also on Alex

2059
01:36:07,138 --> 01:36:09,298
Speaker 4: van Pelt, Like this is a week where you have

2060
01:36:09,378 --> 01:36:13,977
Speaker 4: to cut call plays around pressure, Like you can't just

2061
01:36:14,018 --> 01:36:16,378
Speaker 4: call plays to call plays this week, like you have

2062
01:36:16,418 --> 01:36:18,857
Speaker 4: to have a purpose to the play calls that you're

2063
01:36:18,857 --> 01:36:22,097
Speaker 4: calling to make sure that you're giving Drake May answers

2064
01:36:22,098 --> 01:36:24,857
Speaker 4: and quick answers to the pressure that's coming at him.

2065
01:36:25,098 --> 01:36:28,058
Speaker 4: It's not just that, Okay, you know, left guard is

2066
01:36:28,098 --> 01:36:30,897
Speaker 4: gonna lose to Fisk here. It's also the that they

2067
01:36:30,978 --> 01:36:35,137
Speaker 4: go about pressuring quarterbacks that's very exotic. So you can't

2068
01:36:35,338 --> 01:36:38,137
Speaker 4: just send him out there on a seven step drop

2069
01:36:38,338 --> 01:36:41,218
Speaker 4: with nothing underneath and expect him to just sit back

2070
01:36:41,218 --> 01:36:43,057
Speaker 4: there for three and a half seconds and make a throw.

2071
01:36:43,178 --> 01:36:45,298
Speaker 4: That's not gonna happen this week. So it's not just

2072
01:36:45,378 --> 01:36:48,338
Speaker 4: screens and stuff. It's also just you know, finding out

2073
01:36:48,338 --> 01:36:50,298
Speaker 4: where the pressure is coming from and how to beat

2074
01:36:50,338 --> 01:36:52,897
Speaker 4: it big like throw at the blitz week this week,

2075
01:36:52,937 --> 01:36:55,338
Speaker 4: Like if they're in a blitz, throw right at it.

2076
01:36:55,458 --> 01:36:58,017
Speaker 4: Like those are some of the weaknesses place the blitz, Yeah,

2077
01:36:58,058 --> 01:37:01,017
Speaker 4: that you see in this rams a defensive scheme. And

2078
01:37:01,058 --> 01:37:03,777
Speaker 4: then the last thing with Drake, I as much as

2079
01:37:03,817 --> 01:37:05,897
Speaker 4: we sit here and I said it earlier, so I

2080
01:37:05,897 --> 01:37:08,697
Speaker 4: know I'm kind of contradicting myself about him leaving the pocket,

2081
01:37:08,897 --> 01:37:10,577
Speaker 4: like This is sort of a week where I think

2082
01:37:10,617 --> 01:37:13,177
Speaker 4: his legs need to be a factor. You are under

2083
01:37:13,218 --> 01:37:15,657
Speaker 4: manned in the trenches, like they have a better front

2084
01:37:15,737 --> 01:37:19,017
Speaker 4: than you have blockers, Like that's just a fact. And

2085
01:37:19,657 --> 01:37:22,177
Speaker 4: Tua extended a few plays on Monday night, and Tua

2086
01:37:22,218 --> 01:37:26,178
Speaker 4: is not necessarily mobile like Drake is. And you know,

2087
01:37:26,258 --> 01:37:28,737
Speaker 4: I think that can help, Like that can help this week.

2088
01:37:28,937 --> 01:37:31,098
Speaker 4: You know, if you feel pressure, get out there, you know,

2089
01:37:31,218 --> 01:37:33,378
Speaker 4: like get yourself out on the perimeter. See if you

2090
01:37:33,418 --> 01:37:35,497
Speaker 4: can make a throw, see if you can run, or

2091
01:37:35,577 --> 01:37:37,897
Speaker 4: as Ox Van Pelt likes to say, throw it to

2092
01:37:37,897 --> 01:37:40,137
Speaker 4: the tuba player, right like that. This is a big

2093
01:37:40,178 --> 01:37:45,577
Speaker 4: week for avoiding catastrophe, Like avoid negative plays, avoid strip sacks,

2094
01:37:45,697 --> 01:37:49,497
Speaker 4: avoid a big tackles for loss, and just keep the

2095
01:37:49,537 --> 01:37:54,097
Speaker 4: offense at least somewhat on schedule. So that's the Rams defense.

2096
01:37:54,138 --> 01:37:55,378
Speaker 4: But I want to talk a little bit about this

2097
01:37:55,458 --> 01:37:57,657
Speaker 4: Rams offense too, if you have do you have anything

2098
01:37:57,697 --> 01:37:58,737
Speaker 4: else to add about the defense?

2099
01:37:59,737 --> 01:38:03,218
Speaker 2: I just think it. It was funny to hear Mayo

2100
01:38:03,298 --> 01:38:05,178
Speaker 2: Ta and and kind of Van Pelt today both kind

2101
01:38:05,178 --> 01:38:08,258
Speaker 2: of acknowledge like, yeah, if we can put the if

2102
01:38:08,298 --> 01:38:11,057
Speaker 2: we can put their secondary in play, we're gonna have advantage. Yeah,

2103
01:38:11,178 --> 01:38:13,178
Speaker 2: so they clearly I would expect them to throw the

2104
01:38:13,178 --> 01:38:15,577
Speaker 2: ball going to mount in this game. I don't running

2105
01:38:15,617 --> 01:38:17,577
Speaker 2: on this front is just as hard. No, I don't

2106
01:38:17,577 --> 01:38:19,138
Speaker 2: think you're gonna see a Tennessee game plan. I think

2107
01:38:19,138 --> 01:38:20,697
Speaker 2: you're gonna see them go back up to thirty five

2108
01:38:20,697 --> 01:38:24,057
Speaker 2: to forty passes and push the ball too, not like screens.

2109
01:38:24,058 --> 01:38:25,657
Speaker 2: I think you're there. They're gonna kind of put it

2110
01:38:25,697 --> 01:38:28,017
Speaker 2: on this offensive line. Can we get three three and

2111
01:38:28,018 --> 01:38:30,097
Speaker 2: a half seconds and throw the ball down the field?

2112
01:38:30,178 --> 01:38:32,577
Speaker 4: Yeah, if you're gonna do that, then I don't sit

2113
01:38:32,617 --> 01:38:36,497
Speaker 4: there and stare at it. Drake right, get running around

2114
01:38:36,657 --> 01:38:39,258
Speaker 4: easier said than movie yourself around, kid.

2115
01:38:39,537 --> 01:38:39,697
Speaker 2: Uh.

2116
01:38:39,737 --> 01:38:42,017
Speaker 4: And then the other thing I would say, you know,

2117
01:38:42,058 --> 01:38:43,577
Speaker 4: going over to the other side of the ball. I'm

2118
01:38:43,617 --> 01:38:45,458
Speaker 4: a little bit of a spicy take about the Rams,

2119
01:38:45,617 --> 01:38:49,018
Speaker 4: all right, A little bit of a spicy take. I

2120
01:38:49,338 --> 01:38:52,097
Speaker 4: don't watch their offense and see a ton of team

2121
01:38:52,138 --> 01:38:56,897
Speaker 4: speed or a ton of like dynamic man coverage beaters.

2122
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Speaker 2: They're not very fast.

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Speaker 4: I kind of feel like Cooper Cup is teetering on.

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Speaker 2: This is not a hot take.

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01:39:01,978 --> 01:39:05,737
Speaker 4: Unwashed like or are we unwashed? Watch with Cooper Cup

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Speaker 4: I think we're there.

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Speaker 2: I think I think saying he's not washed would be

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01:39:10,937 --> 01:39:14,577
Speaker 2: the hot take. Okay. I mean he's thirty one years old.

2129
01:39:14,617 --> 01:39:16,777
Speaker 2: Most wide receivers fall off hard at the age of thirty.

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01:39:16,817 --> 01:39:19,617
Speaker 2: Like statistically, I mean, he's been okay this year. He's

2131
01:39:19,617 --> 01:39:22,577
Speaker 2: caught forty one passes in five games, but it's.

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Speaker 4: Got a lot of injuries too that have started.

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Speaker 2: To pile up on it. That's a hot take, okay.

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Speaker 4: So I look at Cooper Cup and in the past,

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Speaker 4: like playing Man's Mannigan, the rams used to be tough

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Speaker 4: because Cooper Cup was uncoverable single coverage, right Like, if

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01:39:34,777 --> 01:39:37,537
Speaker 4: you singled Cooper Cup and man to man, you were

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01:39:37,537 --> 01:39:41,017
Speaker 4: gonna get torched. I don't necessarily see that level from

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01:39:41,098 --> 01:39:45,057
Speaker 4: Cooper Cup anymore. He made that terrific catch against Miami

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Speaker 4: on the one handed catch on the sideline.

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Speaker 2: But the coverage was perfect.

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Speaker 4: It was just a great catch, you know, like it's

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01:39:50,458 --> 01:39:53,338
Speaker 4: not like he beat the guy clean or anything like that.

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Speaker 4: So I look at that with Cup. I look at

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01:39:56,218 --> 01:40:01,018
Speaker 4: Nikua really really dynamic yak receiver, like tackling him, I

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01:40:01,058 --> 01:40:02,897
Speaker 4: could see being an issue in man to man if

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01:40:02,937 --> 01:40:05,218
Speaker 4: you put like a Jonathan or Marcus Jones on him

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01:40:05,697 --> 01:40:09,258
Speaker 4: that I could see potentially being a concern. But he's

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Speaker 4: one of those guys to me that I think is

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01:40:11,497 --> 01:40:14,657
Speaker 4: a real product of this Sean McVay scheme. Like when

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Speaker 4: they get him schemed open and he can catch and

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01:40:17,378 --> 01:40:22,418
Speaker 4: run the football really really really tough, right, like strong, physical,

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01:40:22,817 --> 01:40:25,897
Speaker 4: great after the catch, But when you watch him run

2154
01:40:26,018 --> 01:40:28,097
Speaker 4: routes like you don't watch him and they're like, wow,

2155
01:40:28,138 --> 01:40:32,018
Speaker 4: this guy's just uncoverable in the phone booth like Pop Douglas.

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01:40:32,897 --> 01:40:36,297
Speaker 4: So I don't necessarily see that with Pooka. DeMarcus Robinson,

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01:40:36,338 --> 01:40:39,338
Speaker 4: I think is another one of the same guys. Physical

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01:40:39,657 --> 01:40:42,497
Speaker 4: good at the catch point, can box people out, can

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Speaker 4: win over the shoulder, but he's not running by anybody,

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Speaker 4: like he's not scaring you down the field. And you

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01:40:49,497 --> 01:40:52,417
Speaker 4: have two two at well, who's like a Pop Douglas

2162
01:40:52,497 --> 01:40:55,897
Speaker 4: type of receiver, right, who's quick and shifty and it's

2163
01:40:55,937 --> 01:40:59,098
Speaker 4: got some speed, but has his issues with you know,

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Speaker 4: size and that sort of thing. So long way to

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Speaker 4: tell a short story. I just don't look at this

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01:41:06,018 --> 01:41:09,378
Speaker 4: Rams offense and see that this is a group that

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01:41:09,418 --> 01:41:11,898
Speaker 4: they can't man up against, like I think the Patriots

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01:41:11,897 --> 01:41:14,537
Speaker 4: can play man coverage against this Rams team, I think

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01:41:14,537 --> 01:41:17,218
Speaker 4: they will play man coverage and the last just to

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Speaker 4: hammer the point home, like this is not a week

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Speaker 4: where Matthew Stafford You're worrying about him beating you with

2172
01:41:21,777 --> 01:41:22,338
Speaker 4: your with his.

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01:41:22,378 --> 01:41:24,937
Speaker 2: Legs, like he don't need the long horn package this week.

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Speaker 4: You've really diminished with Matthew Stafford. Like Matthew Stafford used

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01:41:27,937 --> 01:41:29,937
Speaker 4: to be a plus athlete, Like he used to be

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01:41:29,978 --> 01:41:32,737
Speaker 4: able to move. I don't see that with him anymore

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Speaker 4: right now. So maybe it's age, maybe it's wearing tearror

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01:41:35,857 --> 01:41:38,697
Speaker 4: this season. I don't know, but I just look at

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Speaker 4: this group with the Rams. If you can get them

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01:41:42,418 --> 01:41:45,937
Speaker 4: into third down. The big problem with the Rams that

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01:41:46,018 --> 01:41:49,137
Speaker 4: they always present is when they get going on early

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01:41:49,218 --> 01:41:52,377
Speaker 4: downs with the run play action, run play action sequence,

2183
01:41:52,458 --> 01:41:55,617
Speaker 4: back and forth with McVeigh. That's when it's it becomes

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01:41:55,617 --> 01:41:57,378
Speaker 4: tough to stop because you don't know what's coming right

2185
01:41:57,418 --> 01:41:59,177
Speaker 4: like they and they make it all look the same.

2186
01:41:59,458 --> 01:42:02,458
Speaker 4: They marry it up extremely well, and that's the whole

2187
01:42:02,497 --> 01:42:03,857
Speaker 4: basis of the offense.

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01:42:04,058 --> 01:42:04,298
Speaker 2: Right.

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01:42:04,657 --> 01:42:06,458
Speaker 4: So if you can stop the run and you can

2190
01:42:06,497 --> 01:42:08,857
Speaker 4: stop them from doing that sort of thing and you

2191
01:42:08,897 --> 01:42:11,657
Speaker 4: get them into third down, just like Miami did the

2192
01:42:11,697 --> 01:42:13,777
Speaker 4: other night. You can have it. You know, you can

2193
01:42:13,817 --> 01:42:16,418
Speaker 4: get on this this Rams team like maybe you couldn't

2194
01:42:16,458 --> 01:42:17,258
Speaker 4: a couple of years ago.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, And it goes back to again, like my

2196
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Speaker 2: whole preview which will be up tomorrow ninety eight five,

2197
01:42:21,577 --> 01:42:24,097
Speaker 2: the sports of dot com is basically about what carries

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01:42:24,138 --> 01:42:26,777
Speaker 2: over from last week. Yeah, you gotta stop the run. Yeah,

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01:42:26,817 --> 01:42:29,057
Speaker 2: if you can stop the run against an offensive line

2200
01:42:29,058 --> 01:42:32,418
Speaker 2: that has been good but like is banged up and

2201
01:42:32,458 --> 01:42:34,817
Speaker 2: they'll get some guys back, but are they rusty? Et cetera,

2202
01:42:34,857 --> 01:42:37,218
Speaker 2: et cetera. Right, Like, if you can stop the run

2203
01:42:37,218 --> 01:42:39,737
Speaker 2: and force them to become one dimensional, you know, if

2204
01:42:39,737 --> 01:42:43,137
Speaker 2: Matthew Stafford picks you a party, picks you apart veterans,

2205
01:42:43,138 --> 01:42:45,617
Speaker 2: super Bowl winning quarterback, all of that, but you have

2206
01:42:45,697 --> 01:42:47,777
Speaker 2: to make them one dimensional to be able to beat them. Yeah.

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01:42:48,857 --> 01:42:51,537
Speaker 2: I think for this team, I'm not gonna let them.

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01:42:51,737 --> 01:42:53,178
Speaker 2: You can't let him run all over you like it.

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Speaker 2: I think it's really easy to say, all right, final

2210
01:42:55,378 --> 01:42:57,737
Speaker 2: just drop in a coverage, let him run and you know,

2211
01:42:57,737 --> 01:43:00,298
Speaker 2: take the ball out of Matthew Stafford's hands. But then

2212
01:43:00,338 --> 01:43:03,577
Speaker 2: that play action thing opens up, and you know, the

2213
01:43:03,657 --> 01:43:06,098
Speaker 2: run defense just isn't It's only going to be so

2214
01:43:06,218 --> 01:43:08,577
Speaker 2: good if you're letting them run. They're gonna really run.

2215
01:43:08,857 --> 01:43:11,257
Speaker 2: Whereas if you can focus on shutting down the run.

2216
01:43:11,657 --> 01:43:13,418
Speaker 2: You talked about it earlier in the show, Evan, the

2217
01:43:13,418 --> 01:43:15,697
Speaker 2: way they've been able to cover a man, you can

2218
01:43:15,978 --> 01:43:18,657
Speaker 2: you can kind of play it five on five and coverage, yeah,

2219
01:43:18,737 --> 01:43:20,418
Speaker 2: or six on five if you want to throw you know,

2220
01:43:20,458 --> 01:43:23,537
Speaker 2: a deep safety out there. But that's and this is

2221
01:43:23,577 --> 01:43:25,057
Speaker 2: all much easier said than done.

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Speaker 4: You know, this isn't something they've always given and do,

2223
01:43:28,497 --> 01:43:31,897
Speaker 4: But yeah, they've always given them trouble with the Rams,

2224
01:43:32,577 --> 01:43:36,698
Speaker 4: the Niners, the Dolphins by horizontally stretching the field.

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01:43:36,537 --> 01:43:38,097
Speaker 2: Right like it's wide zone.

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01:43:38,577 --> 01:43:41,258
Speaker 4: But the Rams in twenty twenty, they actually, you know,

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01:43:41,258 --> 01:43:43,657
Speaker 4: when they played the Patriots again after the Super Bowl,

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01:43:44,018 --> 01:43:46,378
Speaker 4: they actually, you know, that's when they sort of started

2229
01:43:46,418 --> 01:43:49,218
Speaker 4: to incorporate more downhill runs to sort of combat the

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01:43:49,258 --> 01:43:51,177
Speaker 4: six to one front and the way that the Patriots

2231
01:43:51,178 --> 01:43:53,298
Speaker 4: played them in the Super Bowl. So the Patriots in

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01:43:53,338 --> 01:43:55,617
Speaker 4: twenty twenty basically ran the same game plan as they

2233
01:43:55,617 --> 01:43:58,017
Speaker 4: did in the Super Bowl, and the Rams just ran

2234
01:43:58,098 --> 01:43:59,817
Speaker 4: right at them. And when you play that six to

2235
01:43:59,857 --> 01:44:02,817
Speaker 4: one front, you only have one linebacker behind it, and

2236
01:44:02,897 --> 01:44:05,098
Speaker 4: so now if you can get the double teams on

2237
01:44:05,138 --> 01:44:07,737
Speaker 4: the line of scrimmage, like, there's nobody there at the

2238
01:44:07,777 --> 01:44:10,937
Speaker 4: second level of the defense to prevent both those runs

2239
01:44:10,978 --> 01:44:13,737
Speaker 4: from getting downhill. So that was what the Rams kind

2240
01:44:13,777 --> 01:44:16,017
Speaker 4: of countered to. So I do expect the Patriots to

2241
01:44:16,058 --> 01:44:18,497
Speaker 4: be maybe more five to two stack in this game,

2242
01:44:18,737 --> 01:44:21,378
Speaker 4: so that way they do have two off ball linebackers

2243
01:44:21,378 --> 01:44:23,617
Speaker 4: to help with the get those double teams off of

2244
01:44:23,657 --> 01:44:26,657
Speaker 4: the defensive line. But in general, like that's always been

2245
01:44:26,737 --> 01:44:29,257
Speaker 4: the issue, is like the horizontal stretch of the defense

2246
01:44:29,458 --> 01:44:32,737
Speaker 4: where wide zone their motions like the jet sweeps and

2247
01:44:32,777 --> 01:44:35,418
Speaker 4: things like that, and then they boot off of it, right,

2248
01:44:35,458 --> 01:44:38,218
Speaker 4: and they incorporate the play action off of it. I

2249
01:44:38,258 --> 01:44:40,977
Speaker 4: don't look at this Rams team though, and see the

2250
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Speaker 4: team speed that they once had to really make kill

2251
01:44:44,218 --> 01:44:46,418
Speaker 4: you in that sort of way. And I think that's

2252
01:44:46,458 --> 01:44:48,897
Speaker 4: why they've had some off issues on offense, along with

2253
01:44:48,937 --> 01:44:51,298
Speaker 4: the injuries of course too, But I think this year

2254
01:44:51,298 --> 01:44:54,737
Speaker 4: they've had more issues than in the past offensively because

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Speaker 4: their horizontal stretch doesn't exist.

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Speaker 2: In the way that it used to.

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01:44:58,697 --> 01:45:02,178
Speaker 4: Right when I watched that game last week and I

2258
01:45:02,218 --> 01:45:05,497
Speaker 4: watched the Rams defense against the Dolphins offense. I look

2259
01:45:05,537 --> 01:45:07,937
Speaker 4: at the Dolphins offense and I'm like, okay, Like, there's

2260
01:45:07,978 --> 01:45:11,137
Speaker 4: the horizontal stretch right, it's a Chane, it's Tyreek Hill,

2261
01:45:11,298 --> 01:45:14,697
Speaker 4: it's Jalen Waddle. Like these guys can fly. Malik Washington,

2262
01:45:14,817 --> 01:45:17,017
Speaker 4: he can fly. To add them all to the list,

2263
01:45:17,258 --> 01:45:19,497
Speaker 4: you know right from Tennessee, the back that they drafted,

2264
01:45:19,537 --> 01:45:21,977
Speaker 4: he can fly too. And that's how that system is

2265
01:45:22,018 --> 01:45:24,577
Speaker 4: really at its best. So this week it's big, it's

2266
01:45:24,617 --> 01:45:26,897
Speaker 4: a it's a big stop to run week, it's you

2267
01:45:27,018 --> 01:45:29,537
Speaker 4: gotta get him into third down. You gotta get him

2268
01:45:29,537 --> 01:45:32,497
Speaker 4: into down and distant is where you forced their guys

2269
01:45:32,537 --> 01:45:35,338
Speaker 4: to go up against man coverage and beat them. And

2270
01:45:35,617 --> 01:45:37,777
Speaker 4: that was what Miami was able to do and that's

2271
01:45:37,817 --> 01:45:40,458
Speaker 4: why they were successful. So I do think that this

2272
01:45:40,537 --> 01:45:42,897
Speaker 4: is a game where the Patriots defense, they're not gonna

2273
01:45:42,897 --> 01:45:45,378
Speaker 4: hold him the three points. They're not gonna completely shut

2274
01:45:45,378 --> 01:45:48,138
Speaker 4: them down like they do with the Bears. But I

2275
01:45:48,138 --> 01:45:50,697
Speaker 4: don't necessarily expect the Rams to be scoring thirty points

2276
01:45:50,737 --> 01:45:51,537
Speaker 4: on Sunday either.

2277
01:45:51,777 --> 01:45:53,497
Speaker 2: No, No, I think it's gonna be all scoring game.

2278
01:45:53,697 --> 01:45:56,138
Speaker 4: All right, Cool, Let's I end it with some of

2279
01:45:56,178 --> 01:45:58,697
Speaker 4: these emails, and we have one more phone call. But

2280
01:45:58,737 --> 01:46:00,497
Speaker 4: we have a lot of emails as you would expect

2281
01:46:00,537 --> 01:46:03,857
Speaker 4: Alex about the draft and off season stuff of course.

2282
01:46:03,897 --> 01:46:09,818
Speaker 4: But let's take Jasper in Somerville first. What's up, Jasper, Hey, guys.

2283
01:46:09,737 --> 01:46:10,298
Speaker 1: For the show.

2284
01:46:11,298 --> 01:46:13,178
Speaker 6: I just wanted to join in on the course of

2285
01:46:13,537 --> 01:46:17,937
Speaker 6: how exciting the micd up was. Just it's almost more

2286
01:46:17,978 --> 01:46:20,217
Speaker 6: exciting to be than like all the big time throws,

2287
01:46:20,218 --> 01:46:24,097
Speaker 6: all the quarterback stuff he's doing. It's like the throws

2288
01:46:24,138 --> 01:46:27,138
Speaker 6: he's doing quarterback stuff. Watching him in the micd up,

2289
01:46:27,178 --> 01:46:29,258
Speaker 6: it's like that's a quarterback, you know what I mean.

2290
01:46:30,897 --> 01:46:34,897
Speaker 6: He's doing the stuff on the field, but then has

2291
01:46:34,937 --> 01:46:37,857
Speaker 6: that energy like he feels almost type cast for it.

2292
01:46:37,857 --> 01:46:41,017
Speaker 6: It's perfect. So that's really exciting. And I just have

2293
01:46:41,058 --> 01:46:44,617
Speaker 6: a draft question. Let's say we're in kind of a

2294
01:46:44,617 --> 01:46:49,298
Speaker 6: best player available situation, maybe like late in the like

2295
01:46:49,418 --> 01:46:50,778
Speaker 6: eight or ten or something.

2296
01:46:51,978 --> 01:46:52,577
Speaker 3: In the draft.

2297
01:46:52,617 --> 01:46:57,138
Speaker 6: Mason Graham, the defensive tackle in Michigan. How do you

2298
01:46:57,138 --> 01:46:59,577
Speaker 6: think he would integrate with the defense and would that

2299
01:46:59,657 --> 01:47:01,418
Speaker 6: be something you'd be into.

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Speaker 3: Thanks you so much, guys.

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01:47:02,857 --> 01:47:04,378
Speaker 2: Thanks Jasper, thanks for the call.

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Speaker 4: And you know I haven't as you I say, to

2303
01:47:07,298 --> 01:47:10,097
Speaker 4: all these questions this time of year. I haven't done

2304
01:47:10,138 --> 01:47:12,497
Speaker 4: any sort of deep dive into the draft. I know

2305
01:47:12,537 --> 01:47:14,857
Speaker 4: who Mason Graham is. I know he's a top ten

2306
01:47:14,937 --> 01:47:17,378
Speaker 4: prospect in this draft. I know that there's a couple

2307
01:47:17,418 --> 01:47:20,137
Speaker 4: of defensive linemen that are top prospects in this draft.

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01:47:20,458 --> 01:47:24,458
Speaker 4: And I am willing now willing to have the conversation

2309
01:47:24,537 --> 01:47:28,617
Speaker 4: about drafting defense. Like I'm not there. I still believe

2310
01:47:28,657 --> 01:47:30,977
Speaker 4: there are two biggest needs going into the season or

2311
01:47:31,018 --> 01:47:31,857
Speaker 4: tackle and receiver.

2312
01:47:32,138 --> 01:47:33,017
Speaker 2: I think we all do.

2313
01:47:33,657 --> 01:47:35,897
Speaker 4: But at the same time, I think there's something to

2314
01:47:35,978 --> 01:47:39,418
Speaker 4: be said and when you don't need a cornerback from

2315
01:47:39,458 --> 01:47:41,697
Speaker 4: just simply taking the best player on the board, there's

2316
01:47:41,737 --> 01:47:43,937
Speaker 4: something to be said for that. Don't reach on a

2317
01:47:44,018 --> 01:47:45,937
Speaker 4: need take the best player available.

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01:47:45,978 --> 01:47:46,178
Speaker 2: Sure.

2319
01:47:46,458 --> 01:47:46,577
Speaker 8: Uh.

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Speaker 2: First off on the first point though, because as it

2321
01:47:49,497 --> 01:47:51,258
Speaker 2: relates to the draft, like the Drake May micd Up,

2322
01:47:51,258 --> 01:47:53,218
Speaker 2: we talk about this all the time. That's the thing

2323
01:47:53,258 --> 01:47:55,897
Speaker 2: you can't scout. Yeah, they go into the teams like

2324
01:47:55,937 --> 01:47:58,577
Speaker 2: we can't. Externally, they go into the meetings and they

2325
01:47:58,617 --> 01:48:01,258
Speaker 2: talk and even them to an extent like they're in

2326
01:48:01,298 --> 01:48:04,218
Speaker 2: a very you know, they're in the meeting room, they're

2327
01:48:04,218 --> 01:48:06,137
Speaker 2: talking about it. The guys are aware of what's going

2328
01:48:06,178 --> 01:48:07,937
Speaker 2: on all of that, Like, you don't really see that

2329
01:48:08,058 --> 01:48:12,897
Speaker 2: until you see it on Mason Graham. I'm I'm with

2330
01:48:12,978 --> 01:48:16,418
Speaker 2: you on like taking defense, I'd rather take a rusher

2331
01:48:16,458 --> 01:48:19,817
Speaker 2: off the edge, crew pass rusher if they're gonna go defense.

2332
01:48:19,857 --> 01:48:23,817
Speaker 2: I would also say if they're in a spot to

2333
01:48:23,897 --> 01:48:27,537
Speaker 2: take Graham as the best player available, I actually think

2334
01:48:28,378 --> 01:48:31,378
Speaker 2: the people who didn't like Bill's strategy, you're gonna roll

2335
01:48:31,418 --> 01:48:32,937
Speaker 2: their eyes at this. But if that's the way you

2336
01:48:32,978 --> 01:48:35,937
Speaker 2: want to go about it, trade down, get an extra

2337
01:48:36,018 --> 01:48:39,657
Speaker 2: first round pick. Take Deon Walker from Kentucky. Yeah, just

2338
01:48:39,737 --> 01:48:43,897
Speaker 2: as much. He's not as good of a run defender

2339
01:48:43,937 --> 01:48:46,137
Speaker 2: as Graham. They're both really good at getting after the quarterback,

2340
01:48:46,458 --> 01:48:50,338
Speaker 2: but Walker's a freak. Walker is a freak athlete and him.

2341
01:48:50,897 --> 01:48:52,577
Speaker 2: So the other thing is, if you do that, you're

2342
01:48:52,617 --> 01:48:56,338
Speaker 2: basically committing to running a four to three base and like,

2343
01:48:56,537 --> 01:48:59,338
Speaker 2: if you're taking that guy that high, right, whether it's.

2344
01:48:59,218 --> 01:49:01,458
Speaker 4: Graham Walker, like in theory you could play three or

2345
01:49:01,458 --> 01:49:01,977
Speaker 4: four end.

2346
01:49:02,178 --> 01:49:04,617
Speaker 2: He could, but like you're committing to keep him and

2347
01:49:04,657 --> 01:49:06,497
Speaker 2: Barbara both have to be on the field a lot,

2348
01:49:06,978 --> 01:49:09,497
Speaker 2: and you're kind of limiting some of the packages, you're

2349
01:49:09,497 --> 01:49:12,057
Speaker 2: gonna be able to run defensively. But I mean, would

2350
01:49:12,058 --> 01:49:15,058
Speaker 2: I be upset if they took Mason Graham? Not necessarily,

2351
01:49:15,497 --> 01:49:18,817
Speaker 2: but if that's kind of the direction it's trending, I'd

2352
01:49:18,857 --> 01:49:21,777
Speaker 2: move down and take Walker and see what else I

2353
01:49:21,817 --> 01:49:23,937
Speaker 2: can get because you could get a haul for that pick.

2354
01:49:24,098 --> 01:49:26,577
Speaker 2: I mean, Mason Graham's gonna go, you know, he said

2355
01:49:26,617 --> 01:49:29,577
Speaker 2: like eight, that might even be low. You're gonna get

2356
01:49:29,577 --> 01:49:31,697
Speaker 2: a Hall for that pick. You're you have multiple future

2357
01:49:31,697 --> 01:49:34,258
Speaker 2: first round picks at that point. On moving down and

2358
01:49:34,298 --> 01:49:36,497
Speaker 2: if it's like, hey, I want to tackle, I'd take

2359
01:49:36,497 --> 01:49:37,177
Speaker 2: Tan Walker.

2360
01:49:37,338 --> 01:49:40,177
Speaker 4: So I'm with you that I would if we're gonna

2361
01:49:40,178 --> 01:49:42,937
Speaker 4: do defense, I can hear if you want to give

2362
01:49:43,058 --> 01:49:45,217
Speaker 4: who's the kid from Michigan to place corner?

2363
01:49:45,737 --> 01:49:48,857
Speaker 2: Oh, he's had a rough year, Will Johnson. Okay, Will Johns,

2364
01:49:49,098 --> 01:49:50,817
Speaker 2: But that might be one of those things where it's

2365
01:49:50,857 --> 01:49:52,977
Speaker 2: like he was clearly the number one corner.

2366
01:49:53,178 --> 01:49:57,218
Speaker 4: Yeah, just like coach Will Johnson. If you're Travis Hunter,

2367
01:49:57,338 --> 01:50:00,537
Speaker 4: the cornerback, not the receiver, like I sounding.

2368
01:50:00,258 --> 01:50:01,577
Speaker 2: More than well, he's gonna play receiver.

2369
01:50:01,937 --> 01:50:04,657
Speaker 4: Yeah, So that's no fly zone territory, right.

2370
01:50:05,737 --> 01:50:09,737
Speaker 2: That Either one of those guys in Gonzalez would be Yeah. Yeah,

2371
01:50:09,978 --> 01:50:12,777
Speaker 2: Edge Rusher to me would be the biggest one though,

2372
01:50:13,258 --> 01:50:17,458
Speaker 2: because you're gonna have moving forward, you're gonna have bar More. Yeah,

2373
01:50:17,497 --> 01:50:20,898
Speaker 2: you're gonna have Keon White somewhere on More. You know, interior,

2374
01:50:21,058 --> 01:50:22,617
Speaker 2: Like I know, he stands up a little bit and

2375
01:50:22,617 --> 01:50:24,657
Speaker 2: plays the edge a little bit, but we're talking about

2376
01:50:24,697 --> 01:50:29,338
Speaker 2: an interior player stand up outside run Yeah a true.

2377
01:50:29,817 --> 01:50:33,617
Speaker 2: Just Matthew Judon replaced him, so an actual Judan, not

2378
01:50:33,298 --> 01:50:36,138
Speaker 2: a not a other detail. I have a take in

2379
01:50:36,218 --> 01:50:38,137
Speaker 2: progress for you. Well, it's kind of a couple of takes,

2380
01:50:38,178 --> 01:50:39,857
Speaker 2: so it's a half paid time. How much did you

2381
01:50:39,937 --> 01:50:43,057
Speaker 2: watch the Penn State Ohio State game? I think you did,

2382
01:50:43,058 --> 01:50:44,497
Speaker 2: say you watched a little bit of a little bit

2383
01:50:44,537 --> 01:50:46,977
Speaker 2: so abduall Carter had that monster. Yeah. Where are you

2384
01:50:47,058 --> 01:50:49,017
Speaker 2: with Penn State Edge guys, because it's kind of becoming

2385
01:50:49,058 --> 01:50:50,657
Speaker 2: this thing that they've had a lot of guys come

2386
01:50:50,697 --> 01:50:53,257
Speaker 2: to the league. Yeah, and outside well, you know, outside

2387
01:50:53,258 --> 01:50:55,537
Speaker 2: of Michael Parsons, it's more like Chop Robinson taking on

2388
01:50:55,577 --> 01:50:57,657
Speaker 2: the field of Miami and he had a sack. Guy,

2389
01:50:57,657 --> 01:50:59,817
Speaker 2: I think he's had a couple of games with a sack.

2390
01:50:59,937 --> 01:51:02,937
Speaker 2: Now Chop Robinson, but Chop Robinson I've always thought of

2391
01:51:03,298 --> 01:51:05,017
Speaker 2: like as like a josh U j type is more

2392
01:51:05,178 --> 01:51:07,857
Speaker 2: just like a Finesse sapreamer, Abdul Carter, same thing. James

2393
01:51:07,897 --> 01:51:10,098
Speaker 2: Pierce is sort of in a weird spot. Yeah, so

2394
01:51:10,138 --> 01:51:11,298
Speaker 2: there's a guy the other guy.

2395
01:51:11,298 --> 01:51:13,137
Speaker 4: I kind of liked it. I got drafted on day

2396
01:51:13,138 --> 01:51:14,897
Speaker 4: two a couple of years in Penn State.

2397
01:51:15,018 --> 01:51:17,057
Speaker 2: I think that's something. But there's a guy at Georgia

2398
01:51:17,138 --> 01:51:20,017
Speaker 2: named Michael Williams. M y k e l if you're

2399
01:51:20,018 --> 01:51:22,098
Speaker 2: gonna look him up. Doesn't spell Michael normal m y

2400
01:51:22,218 --> 01:51:26,418
Speaker 2: k yel non normal Michael. So remember like three weeks ago,

2401
01:51:27,098 --> 01:51:28,817
Speaker 2: you pro I got a bunch. You probably got some

2402
01:51:28,857 --> 01:51:32,937
Speaker 2: tweets about kell Banks, isn't it blah blah blah. That's

2403
01:51:32,978 --> 01:51:36,057
Speaker 2: because Michael Williams went to town. Michael Williams top ten pick,

2404
01:51:36,178 --> 01:51:39,138
Speaker 2: just like Calvin Banks, and the Patriots are going to

2405
01:51:39,258 --> 01:51:41,977
Speaker 2: go into this process. I mean they're probably doing it already,

2406
01:51:41,978 --> 01:51:44,057
Speaker 2: but you get what I'm saying, right, Yeah, and there

2407
01:51:44,098 --> 01:51:46,017
Speaker 2: we know they're gonna take a long look at Calvin Banks.

2408
01:51:46,058 --> 01:51:49,338
Speaker 2: They're at that Texas Michigan game. They're gonna take a

2409
01:51:49,338 --> 01:51:52,617
Speaker 2: long look at Calvin Banks. Absolutely, they are going to

2410
01:51:52,697 --> 01:51:59,218
Speaker 2: see Michael Williams take over against Kelvin Banks. That's the

2411
01:51:59,258 --> 01:52:02,097
Speaker 2: guy if they're gonna look at defense, because if they're

2412
01:52:02,178 --> 01:52:05,178
Speaker 2: high on Kelvin Banks, they're probably also going to be

2413
01:52:05,258 --> 01:52:07,018
Speaker 2: high on the guy that gave him, you know, was

2414
01:52:07,018 --> 01:52:09,977
Speaker 2: a pain in his ass. Yeah. So Michael Williams from

2415
01:52:09,978 --> 01:52:12,937
Speaker 2: Georgia in big game for Georgie's weekendst Tennessee. So you

2416
01:52:13,018 --> 01:52:14,338
Speaker 2: want to you know, you want to watch him in

2417
01:52:14,338 --> 01:52:18,178
Speaker 2: the spotlight. Here you go. Michael Williams from Georgie is

2418
01:52:18,218 --> 01:52:20,138
Speaker 2: the guy to know if they're gonna go edge. I

2419
01:52:20,138 --> 01:52:22,018
Speaker 2: think that's the guy. I want to pull up his

2420
01:52:22,058 --> 01:52:25,577
Speaker 2: stats because they were Okay, we have you tell I

2421
01:52:25,577 --> 01:52:27,577
Speaker 2: got excited about that take. I could tell.

2422
01:52:27,737 --> 01:52:29,857
Speaker 4: We have a few more minutes and we're gonna I'm

2423
01:52:29,857 --> 01:52:32,057
Speaker 4: gonna try to do something that we're terrible at. I'm

2424
01:52:32,098 --> 01:52:34,138
Speaker 4: just gonna warn everybody off the top right now that

2425
01:52:34,178 --> 01:52:36,258
Speaker 4: we're terrible at this rapid fire. We're gonna try to

2426
01:52:36,298 --> 01:52:38,777
Speaker 4: be rapid fire about this. This is the worst thing

2427
01:52:38,777 --> 01:52:40,697
Speaker 4: that we do. It's a we gotta be better about

2428
01:52:40,737 --> 01:52:42,897
Speaker 4: this skill. So we're I'm gonna try us out right now.

2429
01:52:43,058 --> 01:52:44,937
Speaker 4: So I have a couple more emails I wanted to

2430
01:52:44,978 --> 01:52:46,977
Speaker 4: get to, but we're coming up against it, and I

2431
01:52:46,978 --> 01:52:49,777
Speaker 4: want to go rapid fire real quick. First, Michael Williams,

2432
01:52:49,937 --> 01:52:52,857
Speaker 4: this is not rapid fire. Fine, No, we're moving on.

2433
01:52:52,978 --> 01:52:57,137
Speaker 4: We're rapid fire, all right. Number one, we got this email.

2434
01:52:57,577 --> 01:53:01,458
Speaker 4: This is from Trevor and he is asking why everybody

2435
01:53:01,537 --> 01:53:04,737
Speaker 4: is so against Travis Hunter playing both ways in the NFL?

2436
01:53:05,018 --> 01:53:07,817
Speaker 4: So why can't Travis Hunter? And this was Travis's take,

2437
01:53:08,617 --> 01:53:14,098
Speaker 4: Travis Trevor. Trevor's take that why can't he play? Like,

2438
01:53:14,138 --> 01:53:16,697
Speaker 4: why can't you manage it? Where like you're still only

2439
01:53:16,737 --> 01:53:19,737
Speaker 4: playing him seventy five snaps a game, but sixty of

2440
01:53:19,777 --> 01:53:22,418
Speaker 4: them are on defense and fifteen of them are on offense.

2441
01:53:22,537 --> 01:53:26,137
Speaker 4: Like he compared it to like limiting Jason Tatum's minutes

2442
01:53:26,178 --> 01:53:28,338
Speaker 4: to a certain number in the regular season, right, like

2443
01:53:28,378 --> 01:53:28,857
Speaker 4: something a lot?

2444
01:53:28,978 --> 01:53:31,857
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, It's it's different. One. There's the physicality of it.

2445
01:53:31,897 --> 01:53:33,697
Speaker 2: He's not a big guy. This is gonna be one

2446
01:53:33,697 --> 01:53:36,338
Speaker 2: of the knocks on him. He's built very lean, and

2447
01:53:36,458 --> 01:53:38,537
Speaker 2: the hits he's going to be taking at the NFL

2448
01:53:38,657 --> 01:53:41,577
Speaker 2: level are gonna be an issue. He's had trouble staying

2449
01:53:41,577 --> 01:53:44,218
Speaker 2: healthy in Colorado, Like he's already having trouble staying health there.

2450
01:53:44,378 --> 01:53:47,338
Speaker 2: The other thing is like there's so much more that

2451
01:53:47,418 --> 01:53:50,338
Speaker 2: goes into game prep at the NFL level. That's the

2452
01:53:50,378 --> 01:53:54,657
Speaker 2: thing to me. So what he does now, and he

2453
01:53:54,737 --> 01:53:56,298
Speaker 2: talked about this on College Game Day a couple of

2454
01:53:56,338 --> 01:54:01,617
Speaker 2: weeks ago. He rapid fire, it's a complicated question. He

2455
01:54:01,657 --> 01:54:04,378
Speaker 2: practices with the offense, and then he just goes out

2456
01:54:04,378 --> 01:54:07,178
Speaker 2: on Sunday in place on a corner, right, and he

2457
01:54:07,258 --> 01:54:09,098
Speaker 2: grinds a ton of film and credit to him, but

2458
01:54:09,458 --> 01:54:11,657
Speaker 2: there's that much more film, And we've heard guys like

2459
01:54:11,697 --> 01:54:14,577
Speaker 2: Stefan Gilmore talking about how much film they had to watch,

2460
01:54:14,978 --> 01:54:16,857
Speaker 2: how much they had to go over to be these

2461
01:54:16,937 --> 01:54:19,937
Speaker 2: elite corners. And then there's all that goes into being

2462
01:54:19,937 --> 01:54:22,458
Speaker 2: a part of these complex NFL offenses. Because it's gonna

2463
01:54:22,458 --> 01:54:24,697
Speaker 2: be a lot more complex, even if it's here, a

2464
01:54:24,737 --> 01:54:27,298
Speaker 2: lot more complex in the NFL than what he runs

2465
01:54:27,338 --> 01:54:29,937
Speaker 2: a Colorado. Well, because people think this is rapid fire,

2466
01:54:29,978 --> 01:54:32,778
Speaker 2: it's not a get Van Pelt, but like you can't

2467
01:54:33,178 --> 01:54:36,378
Speaker 2: master both. What that's gonna end up looking like is

2468
01:54:36,418 --> 01:54:39,378
Speaker 2: Marcus Jones where he's gonna be a full time player

2469
01:54:39,418 --> 01:54:41,738
Speaker 2: on one side of the ball, probably defense, and be

2470
01:54:41,778 --> 01:54:44,977
Speaker 2: a package player on offense. If that's what you want, fine,

2471
01:54:45,178 --> 01:54:48,337
Speaker 2: he's not playing full time on both sides. If he tries,

2472
01:54:49,138 --> 01:54:50,818
Speaker 2: it's either one he's not gonna be able to play

2473
01:54:50,897 --> 01:54:53,498
Speaker 2: either side at the highest level he ken, yeah, and

2474
01:54:53,618 --> 01:54:55,977
Speaker 2: or he's gonna get hurt, and that's just not worth

2475
01:54:55,978 --> 01:54:58,297
Speaker 2: the investment, the drawing Travis Hunts.

2476
01:54:58,098 --> 01:55:02,498
Speaker 4: Say, you're done now, all right, I understand that there's

2477
01:55:02,538 --> 01:55:04,378
Speaker 4: a chance that Travis Hunter. And I know this is

2478
01:55:04,418 --> 01:55:06,738
Speaker 4: a bad comparison because he only pitches every five days,

2479
01:55:06,858 --> 01:55:08,498
Speaker 4: but like he could be shoeo TONI right, Like he

2480
01:55:08,498 --> 01:55:09,538
Speaker 4: could just be generational.

2481
01:55:09,578 --> 01:55:12,538
Speaker 2: What happens. I know, I'm low his elbow out.

2482
01:55:12,578 --> 01:55:14,698
Speaker 4: I'm just saying he could be generational, right, Like he

2483
01:55:14,778 --> 01:55:18,658
Speaker 4: could be a unicorn. It's possible. But the I I

2484
01:55:18,738 --> 01:55:20,778
Speaker 4: go back to what you said, which is at the

2485
01:55:20,818 --> 01:55:24,137
Speaker 4: preparation it takes during the week to prepare a guy

2486
01:55:24,218 --> 01:55:27,658
Speaker 4: to play in an NFL game, it's really difficult. And

2487
01:55:27,738 --> 01:55:30,378
Speaker 4: I feel like you're you're flirting with spreading him to

2488
01:55:30,578 --> 01:55:33,017
Speaker 4: thin right where now he's not gonna be good at

2489
01:55:33,058 --> 01:55:35,937
Speaker 4: either position because he just doesn't have the preparation and

2490
01:55:36,018 --> 01:55:39,218
Speaker 4: the practice time equally to be able to be good

2491
01:55:39,258 --> 01:55:42,937
Speaker 4: at that. Now, with that being said, he is the

2492
01:55:42,937 --> 01:55:45,418
Speaker 4: best player in the draft in my mind, I'm like,

2493
01:55:45,658 --> 01:55:47,698
Speaker 4: I'm already ready to give that take. I think he's

2494
01:55:47,738 --> 01:55:50,098
Speaker 4: the best player in the draft, and that's hard to

2495
01:55:50,098 --> 01:55:51,977
Speaker 4: pass up, Like it's hard to pass up the best

2496
01:55:51,978 --> 01:55:52,738
Speaker 4: player in the draft.

2497
01:55:53,658 --> 01:55:55,498
Speaker 2: I don't know that he's the best corner, he's the

2498
01:55:55,498 --> 01:55:58,778
Speaker 2: best receiver. I think Will Johnson is better down here

2499
01:55:58,778 --> 01:56:00,778
Speaker 2: at all. I think Will Johnson's better. He's close. I

2500
01:56:00,778 --> 01:56:02,058
Speaker 2: think he's the best player in the draft. I like

2501
01:56:02,058 --> 01:56:04,858
Speaker 2: big corners. I think big corners, so I'm Lobia's also.

2502
01:56:06,458 --> 01:56:10,218
Speaker 4: Stop it all right, Nick here asks you know, this

2503
01:56:10,298 --> 01:56:14,097
Speaker 4: is a very top popular topic right now. A lot

2504
01:56:14,178 --> 01:56:16,937
Speaker 4: of people are out, as Joe Murray would say on

2505
01:56:17,058 --> 01:56:18,658
Speaker 4: T Higgins, are you in and out?

2506
01:56:18,698 --> 01:56:22,057
Speaker 2: In or out? On T Higgins? Alex Bart, I'm very

2507
01:56:22,178 --> 01:56:26,177
Speaker 2: Luke Horn. The people put him in the same category

2508
01:56:26,178 --> 01:56:29,418
Speaker 2: as DK Metcalf to Mere Wild, like, if it's T

2509
01:56:29,578 --> 01:56:32,258
Speaker 2: Higgins or nobody, I'll take T Higgins because he's a

2510
01:56:32,258 --> 01:56:34,698
Speaker 2: good player. He's a really good player, but he has

2511
01:56:34,698 --> 01:56:37,658
Speaker 2: an injury history. He's a little one dimensional. They need

2512
01:56:37,698 --> 01:56:39,738
Speaker 2: to add the receiver, and if that's who's available, that's

2513
01:56:39,778 --> 01:56:41,738
Speaker 2: who's available. I'd rather do that than sit on your

2514
01:56:41,738 --> 01:56:43,858
Speaker 2: hands and not make the move for another year. But

2515
01:56:44,178 --> 01:56:46,378
Speaker 2: if it's T Higgins or DK Metcalf, I don't care

2516
01:56:46,378 --> 01:56:49,417
Speaker 2: how much more DK Metcalf costs in terms of trade assets,

2517
01:56:49,538 --> 01:56:54,818
Speaker 2: in terms of the contract, it's DK Metcalf. They're not interchangeable. Okay,

2518
01:56:54,937 --> 01:56:56,258
Speaker 2: So I'm not I answer the question.

2519
01:56:56,418 --> 01:57:00,097
Speaker 4: Yeah, uh ish, I'm I'm still in on T Higgins.

2520
01:57:00,218 --> 01:57:01,977
Speaker 4: I think the main reason why I'm still in on T.

2521
01:57:02,098 --> 01:57:05,498
Speaker 4: Higgins is because I feel like the Patriots need two receivers.

2522
01:57:05,698 --> 01:57:07,618
Speaker 4: I think they need a wide receiver one and a

2523
01:57:07,618 --> 01:57:11,338
Speaker 4: wide receiver too. Well, they need an X yeah, which fine,

2524
01:57:11,378 --> 01:57:12,858
Speaker 4: if you want to call it an X yeah in

2525
01:57:12,937 --> 01:57:15,218
Speaker 4: a dynamic Z, then we can call it that.

2526
01:57:15,418 --> 01:57:17,458
Speaker 2: Let me ask you this, Are you in on T

2527
01:57:17,578 --> 01:57:19,938
Speaker 2: Higgins the player or are you in on the Patriots

2528
01:57:19,978 --> 01:57:22,258
Speaker 2: adding the best receiver available and you think Higgins is

2529
01:57:22,298 --> 01:57:23,297
Speaker 2: the best receiver available?

2530
01:57:23,338 --> 01:57:25,538
Speaker 4: Probably mostly that, Okay, So that's what I'm on B

2531
01:57:26,418 --> 01:57:30,458
Speaker 4: on B. So I just feel like regardless and I'm

2532
01:57:30,458 --> 01:57:33,058
Speaker 4: I'm obviously big on the fact that it's not my

2533
01:57:33,178 --> 01:57:35,538
Speaker 4: money sorry, mister Kraft, thank you for the job. But

2534
01:57:35,578 --> 01:57:38,177
Speaker 4: it's not my money, so I don't really care about

2535
01:57:38,218 --> 01:57:42,338
Speaker 4: if about the money piece of it. H I still

2536
01:57:42,338 --> 01:57:45,097
Speaker 4: feel like there's a ton of value and T Higgins

2537
01:57:45,978 --> 01:57:46,778
Speaker 4: coming here.

2538
01:57:46,698 --> 01:57:48,978
Speaker 2: And checking the box. If you have one.

2539
01:57:48,658 --> 01:57:51,218
Speaker 4: Bona fide receiver, right like, you still might need to

2540
01:57:51,218 --> 01:57:53,538
Speaker 4: go in the draft and draft and still keep drafting

2541
01:57:53,578 --> 01:57:56,458
Speaker 4: receivers to find the true number one guy or even

2542
01:57:56,538 --> 01:57:58,977
Speaker 4: his number two or whatever, but at least you have

2543
01:57:59,138 --> 01:58:02,017
Speaker 4: one of the spots filled. And there's nothing easier than

2544
01:58:02,258 --> 01:58:04,738
Speaker 4: just throwing a guy a bag in free agency. Like there,

2545
01:58:04,778 --> 01:58:07,378
Speaker 4: you don't give up anything besides cash, and you're just

2546
01:58:07,897 --> 01:58:08,418
Speaker 4: he's on the.

2547
01:58:08,378 --> 01:58:10,298
Speaker 2: Team, all right. I would do it if that, If

2548
01:58:10,298 --> 01:58:12,378
Speaker 2: that's the option, I would do it. But I still

2549
01:58:12,418 --> 01:58:15,178
Speaker 2: want them to go all in for DK Metcalf. I

2550
01:58:15,178 --> 01:58:18,338
Speaker 2: want them to make a godfathering effort. We have contract

2551
01:58:18,418 --> 01:58:20,578
Speaker 2: and trade for DK Metcalf. Okay, A couple more.

2552
01:58:22,258 --> 01:58:25,698
Speaker 4: Is Jonathan Jones at free safety, where he played twenty

2553
01:58:25,738 --> 01:58:30,017
Speaker 4: two snaps against the Chicago Bears. Is this a regular

2554
01:58:30,098 --> 01:58:32,658
Speaker 4: thing or was this more just a game plan thing

2555
01:58:33,058 --> 01:58:34,178
Speaker 4: against Chicago?

2556
01:58:35,458 --> 01:58:38,418
Speaker 2: It should it should be more of a regular thing. Agreed,

2557
01:58:38,698 --> 01:58:40,897
Speaker 2: I let me see if they get Alex Austin back

2558
01:58:41,098 --> 01:58:43,618
Speaker 2: this week, because they don't have a ton of depth

2559
01:58:43,658 --> 01:58:45,977
Speaker 2: of corner right now, like Marcus Jones is playing well

2560
01:58:46,338 --> 01:58:48,618
Speaker 2: opposite Christian Zalz. But that's kind of it. If Alex

2561
01:58:48,618 --> 01:58:50,618
Speaker 2: Austin can kind of be the player we thought he'd

2562
01:58:50,658 --> 01:58:52,897
Speaker 2: be this summer, that makes it a lot easier. But

2563
01:58:53,578 --> 01:58:55,178
Speaker 2: you could argue they need him at corner just as

2564
01:58:55,218 --> 01:58:57,017
Speaker 2: much as they need him a safety right now. Yeah,

2565
01:58:57,098 --> 01:58:58,778
Speaker 2: So if they get Alex Austin back, it should it

2566
01:58:58,778 --> 01:59:00,057
Speaker 2: should be a thing. But you got to get Alex

2567
01:59:00,098 --> 01:59:02,057
Speaker 2: Austin back, and he's got to be you know, he's

2568
01:59:02,098 --> 01:59:02,897
Speaker 2: got to show you something.

2569
01:59:02,978 --> 01:59:06,017
Speaker 4: So I've been reluctant about the Jonathan Jones to safety

2570
01:59:06,058 --> 01:59:07,858
Speaker 4: thing because I still thought he was a really high

2571
01:59:07,937 --> 01:59:12,057
Speaker 4: level corner. I've seen some uh, diminishing skill at corner

2572
01:59:12,098 --> 01:59:14,818
Speaker 4: this year. I don't necessarily think that he's as locked

2573
01:59:14,897 --> 01:59:17,338
Speaker 4: down in Manton. I think diminishing skill. I would just

2574
01:59:17,418 --> 01:59:19,818
Speaker 4: call it physical attrition. Sure, Yeah, that's probably a better

2575
01:59:19,858 --> 01:59:21,897
Speaker 4: way to put it. I've seen a little bit of that,

2576
01:59:22,058 --> 01:59:23,618
Speaker 4: and we've talked about I think we talked about it

2577
01:59:23,698 --> 01:59:25,658
Speaker 4: last week that you can really have like a second

2578
01:59:25,738 --> 01:59:28,858
Speaker 4: chapter by switching to safety for some guys. And I

2579
01:59:28,978 --> 01:59:32,738
Speaker 4: just feel like with his speed, his open field tackling ability,

2580
01:59:32,778 --> 01:59:35,418
Speaker 4: and his experience and his instincts, like he has a

2581
01:59:35,498 --> 01:59:38,578
Speaker 4: chance to be a really good center fielder at this

2582
01:59:38,738 --> 01:59:41,338
Speaker 4: stage of his career, So I would love I thought

2583
01:59:41,338 --> 01:59:44,738
Speaker 4: he played pretty well back there against Chicago. I actually

2584
01:59:44,738 --> 01:59:46,618
Speaker 4: think that this would be a really good thing for

2585
01:59:46,658 --> 01:59:49,338
Speaker 4: the Patriots because we've we've talked about this for years now,

2586
01:59:49,618 --> 01:59:52,658
Speaker 4: like letting Kyle dugger and we'll see obviously about Jabrill

2587
01:59:52,698 --> 01:59:54,858
Speaker 4: Peppers with his situation, but let's just stick with Kyle

2588
01:59:54,937 --> 01:59:58,738
Speaker 4: Duggar for now, and Mapu a little bit a del

2589
01:59:58,818 --> 02:00:01,017
Speaker 4: Pettis even I think is truly more of a box

2590
02:00:01,098 --> 02:00:03,658
Speaker 4: slot safety than he is a an up top guy.

2591
02:00:04,138 --> 02:00:07,338
Speaker 4: If Jonathan Jones like he did last week, allows those

2592
02:00:07,378 --> 02:00:09,338
Speaker 4: guys to go out and do what they do best,

2593
02:00:09,498 --> 02:00:12,578
Speaker 4: then it kind of helps fit the puzzle together. So yeah,

2594
02:00:12,618 --> 02:00:15,498
Speaker 4: I'm in on Jonathan Jones at freaky safety, all right.

2595
02:00:16,458 --> 02:00:20,738
Speaker 4: Second to last one, this email of Carmine says that

2596
02:00:20,897 --> 02:00:23,618
Speaker 4: he is in on the Patriots adding a wide receiver

2597
02:00:24,138 --> 02:00:26,378
Speaker 4: this offseason, and he has a list and we have

2598
02:00:26,458 --> 02:00:27,418
Speaker 4: to pick the one that we.

2599
02:00:27,338 --> 02:00:29,818
Speaker 2: Want the most. I'm going to say again, he.

2600
02:00:29,778 --> 02:00:32,738
Speaker 4: Wants a wide RECEI as everybody else does. He's in

2601
02:00:32,818 --> 02:00:35,778
Speaker 4: on them getting a wide receiver this offseason at all costs.

2602
02:00:36,178 --> 02:00:38,778
Speaker 4: So he said he's a ceiling listener back in.

2603
02:00:38,698 --> 02:00:40,618
Speaker 2: The day, by the way, too. All right, good stuff.

2604
02:00:40,978 --> 02:00:45,418
Speaker 2: So this is his list of we have to take one. Okay, okay, Metcalf,

2605
02:00:45,978 --> 02:00:48,378
Speaker 2: he's the first name on the list. There's my answer.

2606
02:00:48,618 --> 02:00:51,378
Speaker 4: So I wouna look real dumb if Justin Jefferson's on there,

2607
02:00:51,538 --> 02:00:56,818
Speaker 4: Dk Metcalf, Prime, Jerry Rice, No, just kidding. Uh, Kyle Pitts.

2608
02:00:58,618 --> 02:01:00,818
Speaker 4: He puts Jamar Chase on this list, which I don't

2609
02:01:00,818 --> 02:01:03,098
Speaker 4: think is happening. So I'm gonna replace Jamar Chase with T.

2610
02:01:03,218 --> 02:01:05,738
Speaker 2: Higgins. Okay, Well, that those are two very different. I

2611
02:01:05,818 --> 02:01:07,618
Speaker 2: might rather Chase than Metcalf.

2612
02:01:08,098 --> 02:01:10,538
Speaker 4: Well, obviously everyone would rather have Chase than Metcalf.

2613
02:01:10,618 --> 02:01:12,338
Speaker 2: That's not really I screwed myself.

2614
02:01:12,378 --> 02:01:15,538
Speaker 4: I said, Jamar Chase isn't going anywhere.

2615
02:01:16,178 --> 02:01:19,338
Speaker 2: That just screw me. DK Metcalf, Kyle Pitts, T Higgins.

2616
02:01:19,578 --> 02:01:22,578
Speaker 4: And this last name is kind of interesting because it's

2617
02:01:22,578 --> 02:01:24,738
Speaker 4: I think it's not as pie in the sky as

2618
02:01:24,738 --> 02:01:27,738
Speaker 4: some of these other ones. Christian Watson from the green

2619
02:01:27,778 --> 02:01:28,977
Speaker 4: Bay Packers, which one.

2620
02:01:29,378 --> 02:01:32,138
Speaker 2: I mean Metcalf Watson is like injury issues and he

2621
02:01:32,178 --> 02:01:34,858
Speaker 2: does have soft he Is he a Tuesday morning player?

2622
02:01:35,338 --> 02:01:37,018
Speaker 2: Is he a Tuesday meeting He's a good receiver, but

2623
02:01:37,098 --> 02:01:38,378
Speaker 2: is he a Tuesday meeting player. I don't know.

2624
02:01:38,378 --> 02:01:40,178
Speaker 4: If he's a Tuesday meeting player, that's what I want.

2625
02:01:40,138 --> 02:01:40,698
Speaker 2: I want Tuesday.

2626
02:01:40,738 --> 02:01:43,458
Speaker 4: Now he's not a Tuesday meeting player. But obviously he

2627
02:01:43,498 --> 02:01:46,217
Speaker 4: has the green Bay tie and the Elliott Wolf tie

2628
02:01:46,258 --> 02:01:48,298
Speaker 4: and all that kind of stuff. If you're trying to

2629
02:01:48,378 --> 02:01:51,778
Speaker 4: build like what green Bay Franklin has built, where it's

2630
02:01:51,778 --> 02:01:53,498
Speaker 4: like a bunch of number twos and that kind of

2631
02:01:53,498 --> 02:01:57,058
Speaker 4: adds up to a number one, then Christian Watson's a guy, right, Like,

2632
02:01:57,098 --> 02:01:59,458
Speaker 4: that's a guy that can contribute to that sort of thing.

2633
02:01:59,858 --> 02:02:02,417
Speaker 4: Would I feel like if they traded for Christian Watson,

2634
02:02:02,578 --> 02:02:04,418
Speaker 4: who's in is a pre agent by the way, I

2635
02:02:04,458 --> 02:02:07,658
Speaker 4: believe if they traded for Christian Watson, would I feel

2636
02:02:07,698 --> 02:02:10,538
Speaker 4: like they checked off the number two receiver box. Yes,

2637
02:02:10,778 --> 02:02:12,738
Speaker 4: I would feel like they would have a number two receiver.

2638
02:02:13,298 --> 02:02:15,338
Speaker 2: They got to go get that dude, though. I think

2639
02:02:15,378 --> 02:02:19,218
Speaker 2: this year maximized on Drake Mays rookie contract, they get bold, Yeah,

2640
02:02:19,218 --> 02:02:20,458
Speaker 2: but I want to see him go get the dude

2641
02:02:20,498 --> 02:02:21,937
Speaker 2: this year, agreed? All right?

2642
02:02:22,578 --> 02:02:26,618
Speaker 4: Last one, Yeah, are you and this is from Kyle,

2643
02:02:26,978 --> 02:02:30,138
Speaker 4: are you at all worried that most of the explosive

2644
02:02:30,178 --> 02:02:35,458
Speaker 4: play from the offense are Drake May making a play

2645
02:02:35,578 --> 02:02:37,937
Speaker 4: out of script right, like you know, him running or

2646
02:02:38,058 --> 02:02:41,258
Speaker 4: him just doing something off platform or whatever. So basically,

2647
02:02:41,298 --> 02:02:43,378
Speaker 4: are you worried that too many of the big plays

2648
02:02:43,378 --> 02:02:44,458
Speaker 4: are Drake May centric?

2649
02:02:46,698 --> 02:02:49,178
Speaker 2: No, just because like not in the long term. Yeah,

2650
02:02:49,698 --> 02:02:51,818
Speaker 2: for this year, it definitely puts a ceiling on them,

2651
02:02:51,858 --> 02:02:54,658
Speaker 2: but they don't have a ton of explosive players around him.

2652
02:02:55,418 --> 02:02:57,858
Speaker 2: If it's still like if they get a dk metcalp

2653
02:02:58,218 --> 02:03:00,378
Speaker 2: and it still looks like this, I would be very worried. Yeah,

2654
02:03:00,418 --> 02:03:02,778
Speaker 2: but I talked about this last week. My big take

2655
02:03:02,818 --> 02:03:05,418
Speaker 2: from that Titans game was Drake May's mentality right now

2656
02:03:05,498 --> 02:03:08,338
Speaker 2: kind of broke it last week, but it felt like

2657
02:03:08,378 --> 02:03:10,738
Speaker 2: his mentality was I guess I'll have to do it myself. Yeah,

2658
02:03:10,738 --> 02:03:14,017
Speaker 2: and I totally understand why he feels that way. Who else?

2659
02:03:14,098 --> 02:03:15,658
Speaker 2: Who else are you looking to to make those plays?

2660
02:03:15,658 --> 02:03:19,578
Speaker 2: I guess Pop Douglas kind of. But it doesn't worry

2661
02:03:19,578 --> 02:03:22,698
Speaker 2: me in the long term because ideally, when he gets

2662
02:03:22,738 --> 02:03:26,297
Speaker 2: more talent around him, those guys will pick up the slack. Agreed,

2663
02:03:26,458 --> 02:03:28,658
Speaker 2: It doesn't worry me at all. I also, I said

2664
02:03:28,658 --> 02:03:29,378
Speaker 2: this from the jump.

2665
02:03:29,578 --> 02:03:31,858
Speaker 4: Get used to it, like, this is the guy you drafted,

2666
02:03:32,138 --> 02:03:35,138
Speaker 4: like you did not draft Johnny Layups, all right. You

2667
02:03:35,218 --> 02:03:38,778
Speaker 4: drafted a playmaking quarterback that's gonna go around and he's

2668
02:03:38,778 --> 02:03:40,977
Speaker 4: gonna make plays with his legs, and he's gonna run

2669
02:03:41,018 --> 02:03:43,137
Speaker 4: for nineteen yards and then he's gonna flick his wrists,

2670
02:03:43,138 --> 02:03:44,937
Speaker 4: go into his right and he's gonna throw it fifty

2671
02:03:45,018 --> 02:03:47,178
Speaker 4: yards and it's gonna this is what it's gonna be.

2672
02:03:47,618 --> 02:03:50,298
Speaker 4: That Josh Allen two point oh, you got him right,

2673
02:03:50,378 --> 02:03:52,778
Speaker 4: So just get used to the fact that this is

2674
02:03:52,858 --> 02:03:55,057
Speaker 4: gonna be how it is. And I do think there

2675
02:03:55,098 --> 02:03:56,738
Speaker 4: is some truth to the fact that it can be

2676
02:03:56,818 --> 02:03:59,257
Speaker 4: too much on the player's shoulder, and I think Buffalo

2677
02:03:59,298 --> 02:04:01,658
Speaker 4: has run into that issues in the past, where it's

2678
02:04:01,698 --> 02:04:05,258
Speaker 4: too much on Josh Allen being Superman and he has

2679
02:04:05,298 --> 02:04:07,178
Speaker 4: to just go ahead and make something happen. But to

2680
02:04:07,258 --> 02:04:10,418
Speaker 4: your point, hopefully they are able to mitigate that by

2681
02:04:10,458 --> 02:04:11,738
Speaker 4: surrounding him a little bit.

2682
02:04:11,818 --> 02:04:13,778
Speaker 2: Get more explosive players, and I think you'll see more

2683
02:04:13,818 --> 02:04:16,498
Speaker 2: explosive plays elsewhere. I know it sounds simple, but that's

2684
02:04:16,578 --> 02:04:17,258
Speaker 2: kind of the plan.

2685
02:04:17,458 --> 02:04:19,378
Speaker 4: He is never going to change, Like this is his

2686
02:04:19,418 --> 02:04:22,178
Speaker 4: playing style. Like all these people that talk about him

2687
02:04:22,218 --> 02:04:25,298
Speaker 4: sliding and stuff like, it's not gonna happen. Folks, like,

2688
02:04:25,338 --> 02:04:28,017
Speaker 4: this is the guy you drafted, and I actually think.

2689
02:04:28,138 --> 02:04:29,338
Speaker 2: He could slide more. I'm okay.

2690
02:04:29,338 --> 02:04:31,937
Speaker 4: I think it's kind of though that I kind of

2691
02:04:32,058 --> 02:04:33,738
Speaker 4: see where he's coming from with the fact that the

2692
02:04:33,778 --> 02:04:35,378
Speaker 4: one time he's slitty got concussed.

2693
02:04:35,498 --> 02:04:38,057
Speaker 2: Like that is why, like in college they teach him

2694
02:04:38,058 --> 02:04:40,658
Speaker 2: to go yeah, because it's not sliding. The quarterback has

2695
02:04:40,658 --> 02:04:42,538
Speaker 2: to give himself up. He can just stop and take

2696
02:04:42,538 --> 02:04:44,778
Speaker 2: a knee. Yeah, And it's the same thing. So sometimes

2697
02:04:44,778 --> 02:04:47,418
Speaker 2: you talk to protect yourself more. That's kind of the

2698
02:04:47,418 --> 02:04:48,097
Speaker 2: new ways taught.

2699
02:04:48,298 --> 02:04:50,218
Speaker 4: So it'd be interesting to see. But this is the

2700
02:04:50,258 --> 02:04:52,897
Speaker 4: guy you drafted, Okay, so that's gonna do it for

2701
02:04:53,138 --> 02:04:56,218
Speaker 4: this edition. That was kind of rapid fire. Like I

2702
02:04:56,538 --> 02:04:58,738
Speaker 4: would say that was like half as rapid fires.

2703
02:04:59,058 --> 02:05:00,017
Speaker 2: That's gonna be as good as.

2704
02:05:00,058 --> 02:05:01,538
Speaker 4: I had to cut you off because you know you

2705
02:05:01,578 --> 02:05:05,418
Speaker 4: were a fascinating Yeah, well we'll have like six months

2706
02:05:05,498 --> 02:05:06,378
Speaker 4: to talk about a lot.

2707
02:05:07,698 --> 02:05:08,897
Speaker 2: But before we signed. Maybe not.

2708
02:05:08,978 --> 02:05:13,378
Speaker 4: Maybe they roll off some wins here playoffs. Uh, two

2709
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Speaker 2: Pretty good game. So I we'll see you guys next week.

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