1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:28,480 Speaker 1: My name is Matt. Our colleague Nola is on an 6 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 1: adventure but will return soon. They call me Ben. We 7 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:35,280 Speaker 1: are joined as always with our superproducer Alexis, code named 8 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:39,480 Speaker 1: Doc Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, you are you, You are here, 9 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:42,839 Speaker 1: and that makes this the stuff they don't want you 10 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 1: to know. It is time once again fellow conspiracy realists 11 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 1: for Strange News and Matt. You know, I think our 12 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 1: adventures with our weekly Strange News segment are always a 13 00:00:55,720 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 1: bit off the beaten path, but I am particularly interested 14 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:04,840 Speaker 1: in our stories today. These are like the epitome of 15 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:08,919 Speaker 1: Strange News. I almost said that we the only missing 16 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:12,760 Speaker 1: ingredient here is something paranormal. But as we'll see in 17 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:16,040 Speaker 1: our first story, there might be some paranormal stuff going 18 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 1: on too. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know, man. 19 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:24,480 Speaker 1: I Right as we were gonna go in to record today, 20 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 1: I was reading the news about the newest astronauts that 21 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:33,040 Speaker 1: have just been officially announced by NASA who haven't seen 22 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 1: that yet. Got any major takeaways. Yeah, they're going into space, 23 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:41,679 Speaker 1: so it's like the human inter stories of all the 24 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:44,960 Speaker 1: people that are going up. Yeah, it's the it's the 25 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 1: next astronaut class. So this class specifically is targeting Moon missions. 26 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:57,279 Speaker 1: There's no official word yet on whether they will also 27 00:01:57,360 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 1: be working on space stations, they're in the I S 28 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 1: S or trying to improve something in some other partnership. 29 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:09,520 Speaker 1: We can go ahead and congratulate these folks because they 30 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 1: earned it. If we could do a brief laundry list, 31 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:15,639 Speaker 1: are you okay with that? Yeah? Alright, So congratulations to 32 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 1: Nicole Heirs, Marcos Barrios, Christina Birch, Dennis Burnham, Luke Delaney, 33 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 1: Andre Douglas, Jack Hathaway, and Neil Mennon, Christopher Williams and 34 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 1: Jessica Whitner. Also a special shout out to Nicole Airs, 35 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:36,080 Speaker 1: who has become an astronaut at the tender age of 36 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 1: thirty two. A congratulations on getting to do some Moon 37 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 1: missions at some point in the future because depending on 38 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 1: depending on what we find there, your missions maybe a 39 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:54,840 Speaker 1: little more exciting than you expected initially. That's right, Matt, 40 00:02:54,880 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 1: because as you found recently. Someone else is already exploring 41 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 1: the moon and they're not from the US. They're not 42 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:08,680 Speaker 1: even human, and we don't know what they're about the 43 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 1: five Yeah, should we drop the things so people can 44 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:15,960 Speaker 1: can look at it? Oh? Do it all right? Hey? 45 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:20,959 Speaker 1: This comes from dot com China. Moon Rover will investigate 46 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:28,919 Speaker 1: cube shaped quote mystery object on lunar far side space. Honesty, 47 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 1: it's happening. Finally, the subtitle is is that a boulder 48 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 1: or something else else else in space? No one can hear. 49 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 1: You do your own audio effects. So so, yeah, you 50 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 1: showed me this and I this completely was not on 51 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 1: my radar, lunar or otherwise. Could you tell us a 52 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 1: little bit about this operation itself and like how long 53 00:03:56,760 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 1: has this been going on? Were they planning to run 54 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 1: into this thing? Or did it just like? This is 55 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 1: the less touristy side of the moon, correct, Yeah, yeah, 56 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 1: the less touristy side. It's it's the dark side of 57 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 1: the moon. Now, well, it's it's just the the far 58 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:17,279 Speaker 1: side of the moon is what we will call it. 59 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:19,159 Speaker 1: That's how it's been referred to in both c ne 60 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 1: net and by people giving updates from this particular mission. 61 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 1: This is China's change for lunar Lander mission and the robot, 62 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:31,840 Speaker 1: the non human entity that will be hanging out with 63 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 1: whatever that mystery object is is the YouTube spelled y 64 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:40,719 Speaker 1: U t U dash two rover and you can actually 65 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 1: you can follow this on Twitter. That's the way I've 66 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 1: been checking it out. There's a person named Andrew Jones 67 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 1: over there on Twitter. It is let me just make 68 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 1: sure I get the handle correct here at a j 69 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 1: underscore f I I believe and that's all upper case. Uh. 70 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:59,280 Speaker 1: This person, Andrew Jones, has been giving updates and this 71 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 1: particular update came from him. There's an image that you 72 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 1: can find on both that c Net article and on 73 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 1: Andrew's Twitter page that appears to show something way out 74 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:14,840 Speaker 1: far in the distance, just on the horizon line that 75 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 1: looks kind of square, let's say, sort of square, and 76 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:22,359 Speaker 1: it looks like in the center there's a shadow that 77 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:25,360 Speaker 1: appears to almost be if you take your imagination, there 78 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 1: to be like a doorway or you know, some kind 79 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 1: of opening in the center. Space trash no, wait, space 80 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:37,360 Speaker 1: hut right, because they're the saying I saw one one 81 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 1: story describe it as a mystery hut, which is so cool. 82 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 1: That's the kind of enigmatic adventure I think more of 83 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 1: us could use in our lives. Yes, yes, for sure. 84 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 1: Well I guess we can read some more from this article, 85 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:52,839 Speaker 1: but I don't want to throw too much water on 86 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 1: it initially. But it's very likely that that mystery object 87 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 1: is nothing more than a boulder from an impact long 88 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:04,360 Speaker 1: long ago on the Moon, because there are so many 89 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 1: of those and weird little boulder looking things, you know, 90 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 1: rocks that are on the surface of the Moon. But 91 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 1: it's very reminiscent to me of the rumors around the 92 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 1: Apollo eighteen mission. This like secretive thing that was supposed 93 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 1: to have happened where there were uh structures on the 94 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:28,160 Speaker 1: Moon discovered by the Apollo eighteen crew and there are 95 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 1: you know, this is something we looked into a long 96 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:33,039 Speaker 1: time ago, and I believe we even may have covered. 97 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:35,600 Speaker 1: There was a movie that came out about this Apollo 98 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:41,279 Speaker 1: eighteen mission. Right, there's something inside my head that takes 99 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 1: me back. It was like a mockumentary I Want to 100 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:49,159 Speaker 1: Stay or something like that, Like it purported to be 101 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:52,839 Speaker 1: a documentary that was a different one that was different, 102 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 1: that was one about faking the moon landing, right with 103 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:59,159 Speaker 1: the whole thing, or it's all getting mixed up in 104 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:01,279 Speaker 1: my head, guys. But I know there's an Apollo eighteen 105 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:05,720 Speaker 1: like documentary style fiction movie. Oh and there's a horror film. 106 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:08,719 Speaker 1: Maybe that's what we're thinking of from two thousand eleven. 107 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 1: That's the one. So there are all these rumors that 108 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 1: and it was a conspiracy theory. It has been pretty 109 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 1: thoroughly debunked. And you can check that out if you 110 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 1: wish to do some searching around and and go back 111 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 1: and listen to one of our episodes on it. But 112 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that's been debunked. However, this is the 113 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 1: closest thing I've seen to an actual image from the 114 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 1: lunar surface that looks something like what was discovered in 115 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 1: that fictional story. Yes, and unfortunately, like so many other 116 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 1: um features on different planets or satellites, the images that 117 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 1: are publicly available of this thing, whatever it may be, 118 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 1: are still pretty you know, they're not high fidelity, let's 119 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 1: just say. Let's just put it that way. It's difficult 120 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 1: to make out what exactly the thing is. You can 121 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 1: see you you can definitely see it in the photographs 122 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 1: have been making the rounds on the news, but it's 123 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 1: very small in these photographs, and again to our earlier 124 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 1: points about perspective and size, it's kind of, um, it's 125 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 1: kind of tough to like really understand how big or 126 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 1: small it might be. As You two Too draws closer, 127 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 1: which means in English, jade rabbit, yes, jade rabbit too. Yes. Um. 128 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:35,320 Speaker 1: It's just very exciting, and who knows what it's going 129 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:37,440 Speaker 1: to be. Who knows if we'll even find out the 130 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 1: truth of what it discovers, But we do know that 131 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:46,320 Speaker 1: You Too Too has discovered something else pretty interesting. I 132 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 1: believe it was several years ago, twenty nineteen. It found 133 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 1: this substance that was described as gel like, or at 134 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 1: least what it thought was a gel like substance that 135 00:08:57,400 --> 00:09:00,560 Speaker 1: was inside a creator, and at least according to the 136 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 1: official story, it was actually just rock, just a glassy 137 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 1: looking rock rock juice. Oh okay, Okay, So something that 138 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 1: may be resembled like obsidian or whatever. It's kind of 139 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 1: shiny and it's misinterpreted, okay. And I'm glad you brought 140 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:19,560 Speaker 1: that point up, because it's important to establish that in 141 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 1: the Lunar Rover game, You two Too is not new. 142 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:30,679 Speaker 1: It's been on the lunar surface since what January. So 143 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 1: they've managed not to uh, not to lose mobility, not 144 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 1: to lose power, not to fall prede to moon men. 145 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 1: If that's a if that's a thing that people worry about, 146 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 1: uh so already I think it's a It's an enormous 147 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:51,320 Speaker 1: accomplishment and everybody involved should be pretty proud, especially if 148 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 1: they discover an actual mystery hut. Oh man, this stuff 149 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 1: makes me so excited. I want to believe, you know 150 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 1: what I mean? Even if it's a rocket, could be 151 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 1: a really interesting rock, right yeah, it could yeah. Or 152 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 1: it could be you know, a crashed vessel of some 153 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:14,440 Speaker 1: sort the missions, one of these early missions that set 154 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 1: up a base on Mars. Come on, guys, give me 155 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:20,440 Speaker 1: any of those things. Oh yeah, yeah, like uh, it 156 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:25,319 Speaker 1: could be some like post World War two secret underground 157 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 1: German thing, or or it could be part of Russian 158 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:32,079 Speaker 1: space program. Or it could be a u oh wait, 159 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 1: you know what, I would be very disappointed if this happened, though, 160 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 1: would be impressed. What if you two two rolls up 161 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:45,199 Speaker 1: to this mystery thing and there's like hologram of Elon 162 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 1: Musk who walks out. Just I'm clapping slowly, folks, It's 163 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:56,680 Speaker 1: like the most sarcastic thing you can do. Actually, uh, 164 00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 1: some of my friends banned me from doing that for 165 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:01,960 Speaker 1: a year because I was just I was over using it. 166 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:06,680 Speaker 1: You remember that I was there. I wonder if I 167 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:09,600 Speaker 1: wonder if it would be even cooler if it was 168 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 1: a creature that is vaguely reminiscent of Elon Musk. It 169 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:16,959 Speaker 1: looks very similar, but not quite Elon Musk, some sort 170 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:23,080 Speaker 1: of Muskoid. Yeah hmm, Well, but you know, I'm I'm 171 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:26,920 Speaker 1: replaying Mass Effect again because it was on sale to 172 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:30,840 Speaker 1: buy the whole I think the first three original series 173 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 1: of Mass Effect the video game, and start a new 174 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:36,960 Speaker 1: character and playing through it again. And one of the 175 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 1: first missions you encounter in that fictional video game is 176 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:44,440 Speaker 1: you you find this beacon, which is a remnant of 177 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 1: an ancient like, let's say, the first perhaps intelligent species 178 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 1: that roamed the galaxy or whatever. And this kind of 179 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 1: thing makes my mind go there where if you wanted 180 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 1: to study the urging intelligent species on Earth, and there's 181 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:07,439 Speaker 1: already this natural satellite that goes around the planet and 182 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:10,760 Speaker 1: orbits it, if you could place something on the far 183 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:14,400 Speaker 1: side of that satellite that is a beacon of some 184 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:18,440 Speaker 1: sort for a relay for information, right, Um, you could 185 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 1: perhaps monitor pretty easily without them knowing until they are 186 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 1: able to actually explore that satellite. So you have to 187 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 1: think in time scales here, as in like thousands and 188 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:33,440 Speaker 1: thousands of years ago, or maybe even tens of thousands, 189 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 1: if not millions of years ago it was placed, if 190 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:40,199 Speaker 1: if that was something on the moon, right. But I'm 191 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:42,440 Speaker 1: just this is where my mind is going when I 192 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:44,720 Speaker 1: think about something like that. It would be it would 193 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:47,720 Speaker 1: be a pretty effective way for a long period of 194 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:51,800 Speaker 1: time to transfer information. You just need to locate that 195 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 1: large satellite. Yeah. No, that's a very good point, I think, 196 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 1: and you could. You know, one of the best parts 197 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:03,720 Speaker 1: about that point is the just the enormous scale of 198 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 1: time that we're talking about, you know, mass effect, other 199 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 1: other works of science fiction have spent a lot of 200 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 1: time thinking about spent a lot of time thinking about 201 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 1: this because it is something that is genuinely beyond human comprehension, 202 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:24,080 Speaker 1: you know. And in ten years is a long time 203 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:28,599 Speaker 1: to the average human being, but that's maybe a nanosecond 204 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 1: in galactic time, right, Uh. And you have to wonder 205 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:35,200 Speaker 1: if there were something there is entirely speculative. There's a 206 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 1: thought experiment. But if there were something, some entity or 207 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 1: civilization or group that was or some organism, some synthetic 208 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 1: mind that was capable of building something like this, then 209 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:54,440 Speaker 1: then what what would there? What would their aims be, 210 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:59,160 Speaker 1: what would their goals be? Their idea of time would 211 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 1: probably be pretty would probably differ from the human idea 212 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:08,320 Speaker 1: of time. And I think about that a lot as well, 213 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 1: because the lunar surface is actually a not bad place 214 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 1: to build things. The lunar sub surface is even better, right, 215 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 1: So so how cool would it be if they if 216 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 1: they get up to this and it is like a rough, 217 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 1: you know, stone hewn hut, and then the hut has 218 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:36,239 Speaker 1: like some symbols on it and they're basic mathematical equations, 219 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 1: and if you do it in the right order, then 220 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 1: a door slowly creaks open. This is when you get 221 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:47,040 Speaker 1: into Lovecraft territory. Right, would you go down the stairs? Oh, 222 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 1: I'd get on the lift. Yeah, I'd go down the 223 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 1: stairs too, for sure. Yeah. Because you know, we we 224 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 1: talked before about the somewhat hollow nature of parts of 225 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 1: the moon, you know, um that it can ring, and 226 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:06,680 Speaker 1: we tested that theory by launching a satellite and crashing 227 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 1: it into the thing. Um, it just makes you wonder 228 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 1: what kind of like if you dug in just a 229 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 1: little bit, what could you discover down there? Oh? Maybe? Well, actually, no, 230 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 1: we know. That's why the moon is a hot commodity 231 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 1: right now. That's why humans are back on the moon, 232 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 1: because we're gonna mind the out of that thing. Yes, yes, 233 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 1: and I love I love that you did a self 234 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 1: edit there. Yeah. Well we had somebody right in recently 235 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:37,960 Speaker 1: and I said, the censor beeps are too loud. Please 236 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:41,240 Speaker 1: do not censor beep as loudly as you have been. Well, 237 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 1: let's let's also this is a relatively small thing. It's unrelated, 238 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 1: but let's also point out, Um, Matt, I know we've 239 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:49,680 Speaker 1: talked about it off air, but I don't know if 240 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 1: we've ever explained, two folks, why why we do the beep? Folks, 241 00:15:56,640 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 1: you may have heard Matts or no or even yours 242 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 1: truly yours dubiously on other podcast where we curse of 243 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 1: a store freely. Um. I am of the mind that 244 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 1: I'm a fan of the studies that indicate use of 245 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 1: so called blue language, can you know, be poetic in 246 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 1: its sense, but The honest truth is we just think 247 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 1: the beeps are funny. Then you know it's the hitchcocky 248 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 1: in approach. The censorship, the monster you can't hear is 249 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:33,000 Speaker 1: much worse than what the people are actually saying. And 250 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 1: I love it, and also shout out the code named 251 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:38,480 Speaker 1: Doc Holiday who just hit us in all caps on 252 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 1: the group chat. What's she say, Matt, censorship should be uncomfortable? Yeah, 253 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:49,880 Speaker 1: there we go. I agree, but yes, we know they're allowed, 254 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:53,400 Speaker 1: and we do have some sort of rationale behind beeping. 255 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 1: Even if it's a childish reasoning, it's it's still enjoyable 256 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:00,080 Speaker 1: because I always love it. I don't think anybody he 257 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 1: ever hears a beep and says, I wonder what they said? 258 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 1: What came after mother but before her children. I imagine 259 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:12,399 Speaker 1: that there are some younger folks listening to this, and 260 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:14,200 Speaker 1: I don't want to be the one. I don't want 261 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 1: us to be the ones who introduced them to any 262 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:19,960 Speaker 1: for a letter or however many letter words that maybe 263 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:23,760 Speaker 1: the old parents don't wish them to learn. Well, once again, 264 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 1: my friend, I want to thank you because your conscientious 265 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:32,000 Speaker 1: nature is classing up the place as always what should we? 266 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 1: What should we? Do with this information. I think we're 267 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 1: all gonna keep an eye on it. Um, do we 268 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:42,439 Speaker 1: know how far away the satellite is, how long it 269 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:45,880 Speaker 1: might take to get there? What? What would you leave 270 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 1: our fellow conspiracy realist with with this story? Um? For 271 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:53,320 Speaker 1: this one, we just have to wait because the rover 272 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 1: doesn't move that quickly, and it has to navigate around 273 00:17:56,880 --> 00:17:59,680 Speaker 1: the large craters that are in its way between where 274 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 1: it early is today as we record this on December six, 275 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:08,200 Speaker 1: and where it's headed out towards that distant mystery thing. Um, 276 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:12,600 Speaker 1: So it maybe days, weeks. I I don't know exactly 277 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:15,479 Speaker 1: how long it's gonna take. I would again recommend that 278 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 1: Twitter account just to to keep getting updates or just 279 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:24,080 Speaker 1: continue to follow the changey four mission or yoututube rovers 280 00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:28,159 Speaker 1: mission in other ways wherever you get that information. All right, 281 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:30,399 Speaker 1: and with that, we're going to take a break to 282 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:32,080 Speaker 1: hear a word from a sponsor. But we will be 283 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:43,240 Speaker 1: right back with more strange news. And we have returned, 284 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:51,320 Speaker 1: let's continue with our exploration of mysterious structures. Now, folks, 285 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:55,399 Speaker 1: As you know, we all traveled pretty regularly leading up 286 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:59,040 Speaker 1: to the pandemic, and travel is picking up again across 287 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:05,080 Speaker 1: the globe as well as domestically kind of what it's 288 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 1: gonna do and whether or not it's going to be 289 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:10,520 Speaker 1: really serious. I love that we're calling a a macron, though, 290 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:15,360 Speaker 1: because it sounds like a Transformer. Is that ridiculous? When 291 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 1: I hear the when I hear the news about a 292 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:23,400 Speaker 1: Macron who I think is an actual Transformer. When I 293 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:27,600 Speaker 1: hear the news about like a Macron has been spotted 294 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:31,000 Speaker 1: in all these different countries or whatever, I keep imagining 295 00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:40,920 Speaker 1: this decepticon just like rolling in Transform roll Out. Yeah. 296 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:43,840 Speaker 1: So right, So there's a lot of stuff in the 297 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 1: air literally when it comes to travel. But one thing 298 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:52,359 Speaker 1: that we've talked about a lot in the past is 299 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:56,480 Speaker 1: the black box, which is the street name for an 300 00:19:56,520 --> 00:20:01,960 Speaker 1: onboard flight recorder flight recording device. These things are the 301 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:07,040 Speaker 1: first component, first non human component that rescuers look for 302 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:13,440 Speaker 1: in any kind of plane crash. They contain the all 303 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 1: the data you would imagine the telemetry data. They contain 304 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 1: information about the function of the craft, and they are 305 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:27,440 Speaker 1: a tremendous help to investigators who are trying to figure 306 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:32,919 Speaker 1: out what exactly happened. They're also not actually black in color, 307 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:34,680 Speaker 1: and I think we talked about We talked about this 308 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 1: a little bit every time we look into a mysterious 309 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:41,160 Speaker 1: plane crash. In fact, they're they're actually painted bright orange. 310 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 1: Because if you painted something, you know, just matt black, 311 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:48,160 Speaker 1: and it crashed in the ocean at night, why why 312 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 1: make it more difficult to find? Right? So these things 313 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:55,719 Speaker 1: are bright, they're supposed to be visible. They're a vital 314 00:20:55,840 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 1: piece of every every aircraft. And we have just learned 315 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:07,080 Speaker 1: that soon planet Earth is going to have its own 316 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:12,520 Speaker 1: black box, its own great flight recorder. And it's kind 317 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 1: of inspiring, but it's also kind of depressing. Folks. If 318 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 1: you are yeah, if you're somewhere where you have access 319 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 1: to an internet connection or you're on your phone or something. First, 320 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:29,440 Speaker 1: as always, thank you for listening. Secondly, go to Earth's 321 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:33,879 Speaker 1: black box dot com. That's Earth with an s black 322 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 1: box dot com. All one word, just gonna go ahead 323 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:43,639 Speaker 1: and read the welcome page for everybody. Yeah. Unless we 324 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:47,360 Speaker 1: dramatically transform our way of life, climate change and other 325 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 1: man made perils will cause our civilization to crash. Earth's 326 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:55,320 Speaker 1: black Box will record every step we take towards this catastrophe. 327 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 1: Hundreds of data sets, measurements, and interactions relating to the 328 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:03,080 Speaker 1: health of our planet will be continuously collected and safely 329 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:07,159 Speaker 1: stored for future generations. The purpose of this device is 330 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:10,160 Speaker 1: to provide an unbiased account of the events that lead 331 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:14,600 Speaker 1: to the demise of the planet, hold accountability for future generations, 332 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:19,760 Speaker 1: and inspire urgent action. How the story ends is completely 333 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 1: up to us. Only one thing is certain. Your actions, 334 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 1: in actions, and interactions are now being recorded. Everything's talking 335 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:41,280 Speaker 1: to the dog. Yeah, are you watching me? Earth's Black Box? Um? 336 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:44,920 Speaker 1: This is this is really disturbing and in a lot 337 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:52,920 Speaker 1: of ways, been this connects up with our previous story. Yeah, Like, uh, okay, 338 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:57,240 Speaker 1: First of all, this thing looks like an obelisk of 339 00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:00,719 Speaker 1: some sort on its side. That's the way I'm seeing it, 340 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:05,160 Speaker 1: ben mm hmm. And it you know, if this thing 341 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 1: actually gets completed, which I think it's going to be 342 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 1: sometime next year maybe yeah. Yeah. I believe that they'll 343 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:18,119 Speaker 1: start breaking ground on it in two and once they start, 344 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 1: it shouldn't be too difficult to construct it. They spent 345 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:26,359 Speaker 1: a lot of time figuring out how to build it 346 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:29,359 Speaker 1: in a sustainable way, and your li it does have 347 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 1: a lot in common. It's it's not super huge, it's 348 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:35,960 Speaker 1: it sounds pretty big when you when you hear the size, 349 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:38,960 Speaker 1: but considering what it's supposed to do, it's actually packing 350 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 1: a lot for it's punch. It's thirty feet by thirteen 351 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:46,679 Speaker 1: feet long, just about. And if you look at it, 352 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:49,199 Speaker 1: just like you said, man, it looks as though it 353 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:52,120 Speaker 1: is featureless. It looks as the you know, you don't 354 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:54,959 Speaker 1: see windows, you don't see logos. It looks like a 355 00:23:55,160 --> 00:24:00,439 Speaker 1: very weird pillar that has just been kind of awkwardly 356 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:05,119 Speaker 1: placed on this hill in Tasmania. Well, it's got a 357 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:10,720 Speaker 1: geometric shape that doesn't appear to be natural in its surroundings, 358 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:13,320 Speaker 1: and it appears to be made out of a substance 359 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 1: that doesn't match its surroundings. So it's specifically made to 360 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:21,840 Speaker 1: be an anomaly. If you know someone in the future 361 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:25,280 Speaker 1: it comes upon it right, whether by land, by air 362 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:30,040 Speaker 1: or by space. Yes, exactly. And by the way, big 363 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:35,240 Speaker 1: shout out to our fellow conspiracy realist over in Australia, Patrese. 364 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:39,639 Speaker 1: Patrese had hipped me to this story. Uh. Patrese is 365 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:42,600 Speaker 1: also the creator of a podcast you can check out 366 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:46,920 Speaker 1: on YouTube now called A Is for Aliens, So give 367 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:50,840 Speaker 1: it a listen. Being in Australia, it makes sense that 368 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:52,719 Speaker 1: people in that part of the world might be a 369 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:57,639 Speaker 1: little more aware of this project in Tasmania. Uh. I 370 00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:00,679 Speaker 1: think you've nailed it, Matt. It is supposed to be uncanny, 371 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:04,159 Speaker 1: it's supposed to stand out. And one of the things 372 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:08,560 Speaker 1: actually that has been a matter of great debate with 373 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:13,880 Speaker 1: the team behind the project is how to ensure longevity 374 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:18,720 Speaker 1: and sustainability, but even more of a pickle, how to 375 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:25,720 Speaker 1: make it so that other later civilizations or entities can 376 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 1: figure out how to open the thing and use it 377 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:32,040 Speaker 1: and decipher what it's collecting. It reminds me of like 378 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:34,679 Speaker 1: all the work scientists put into figuring out how to 379 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:39,720 Speaker 1: how to establish the future living things that nuclear waste 380 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:42,359 Speaker 1: sites were not the place you should hang out, and 381 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:44,600 Speaker 1: they did all kinds of crazy ideas Matt. They were 382 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 1: like glowing cats, maybe maybe phosphorescent cats, big stone monoliths 383 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:54,040 Speaker 1: with sort of like you know, abandoned all hope he 384 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:57,720 Speaker 1: who enter here vibes on them. Uh. In this case, 385 00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:00,159 Speaker 1: and they're pretty upfront about this to their at it. 386 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:05,760 Speaker 1: They're still trying to figure out how they would manage 387 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:09,480 Speaker 1: to convey this explanation. The problem is you have to 388 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:13,400 Speaker 1: think of symbols that are so fundamental that they would 389 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:17,440 Speaker 1: still be understandable in some way by by like future 390 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 1: human or non human entities. And then you know, the 391 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:23,679 Speaker 1: other approach would be math, just like you are and 392 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:26,440 Speaker 1: I were describing with the mystery Hut, which I'm still 393 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:29,040 Speaker 1: going to call it until it's proven otherwise, Mystery Hut 394 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:32,720 Speaker 1: on the moon, you know. Um, And in great works 395 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:37,560 Speaker 1: of science fiction like an athem uh, math play, like 396 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:41,400 Speaker 1: the ability of a of a living thing to understand 397 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:44,760 Speaker 1: the concept of math is. I don't want to spoil 398 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:47,159 Speaker 1: a story too much, but that's that's a big piece 399 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:50,119 Speaker 1: of communication. And we see that with things that human 400 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:53,639 Speaker 1: beings have sent into deep space because it's it's the 401 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 1: most universal thing this species is aware of at this time. Um. 402 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:02,640 Speaker 1: I don't know, man, it's it feels important. It reminds 403 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,639 Speaker 1: me of the Doomsday seed vault. You remember that. Yeah, 404 00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:09,359 Speaker 1: that's exactly where my mind is going. Uh that I 405 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:13,160 Speaker 1: don't remember where that is. It's in Scandinavia, somewhere up 406 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:20,359 Speaker 1: in the mountains in the frigid cold. It is in Sundy, 407 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:23,919 Speaker 1: Santa Monica, California. No, it is in US. It's in 408 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:29,200 Speaker 1: small Bard, Norway. Which also also just on a side 409 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:32,880 Speaker 1: note here, Uh, if you want to emigrate to Europe 410 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 1: and you are having a hard time navigating all the 411 00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:42,120 Speaker 1: bureaucratic hurdles, you can move to small Bard. They'll let 412 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:45,639 Speaker 1: you in. Seriously, no fooling. You can just move to 413 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:51,560 Speaker 1: small Bard. It's not the most hospitable climate. It's the 414 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:55,240 Speaker 1: doomsday fault. I guess it is fun to something called 415 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:57,960 Speaker 1: the doomsday vault. So yeah, the reason why I'm thinking 416 00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 1: about it is just going back to the moon thing, 417 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:04,600 Speaker 1: the beacon with the fictional massive xt story. If you know, people, 418 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:09,280 Speaker 1: some intelligent race comes to the Earth and finds that 419 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,439 Speaker 1: doomsday vault in Norway, and then you go all the 420 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,199 Speaker 1: way across the planet to the other hemisphere of the 421 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:18,080 Speaker 1: Southern hemisphere, and you find this thing shutting out of 422 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:21,080 Speaker 1: the ground. Uh, you're gonna put those things together as 423 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:24,120 Speaker 1: though these are some of the most important ancient relics 424 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:27,520 Speaker 1: from this civilization and species that once lived on this 425 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:33,320 Speaker 1: charred planet. Okay, exactly, that's it. That's where my brain 426 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:35,720 Speaker 1: is going right now. It's kind of sad, right because 427 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:40,040 Speaker 1: it's sort of like going Imagine you're walking into a 428 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:45,120 Speaker 1: burned down house and you find a children's book, and 429 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:48,760 Speaker 1: the children's book is a bunch of drawings of the family. Right, 430 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 1: you're learning about the house. But I know I see 431 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:54,320 Speaker 1: that face, but not in a not in a way 432 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 1: that will unburn the house. The the idea here is 433 00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:03,000 Speaker 1: too document what is going on in the world now. Uh, 434 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:06,000 Speaker 1: not just like not just metrics the kind of stuff 435 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 1: a flight recorder would record, but evidence of climate change, 436 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:15,160 Speaker 1: list of species going extinct, levels of pollution, impacts on health. 437 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 1: And they're doing this. This thing is connected to the internet, 438 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:23,800 Speaker 1: it's solar powered, it has backup batteries. It's specifically in 439 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:31,680 Speaker 1: Tasmania because that place is extraordinarily geologically sound, so it's 440 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:36,360 Speaker 1: it's much more likely to be around for a while. Uh. 441 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:41,920 Speaker 1: They're also collecting data into the past, so they're aggregating 442 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:46,560 Speaker 1: information about, hey, what were the ocean levels in or something, 443 00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,240 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And I'm not sure how 444 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,720 Speaker 1: far back it will stretch, but the idea is to 445 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:57,680 Speaker 1: arm those who come after humans with information about what 446 00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:01,680 Speaker 1: went wrong, how what happened, to maybe shed some light 447 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:05,720 Speaker 1: on the mystery. Um. I don't think it's taken the 448 00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:10,000 Speaker 1: same tact as the Georgia guidestones, which you know, I 449 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,120 Speaker 1: guess we should do a quick and dirty explanation that 450 00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:15,520 Speaker 1: Georgia guidestones. We actually drove up and saw them. Yeah, 451 00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:19,560 Speaker 1: we did. Made a whole video documentary on it, based 452 00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:24,000 Speaker 1: on our colleague Noel Brown's documentary that he created in school. 453 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:28,400 Speaker 1: A list of precepts that are etched into stone out 454 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,040 Speaker 1: in the middle of a field on a farm, and 455 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,640 Speaker 1: you can drive there and you can read these precepts 456 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:37,120 Speaker 1: about how humans need to be kept as a species 457 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:41,480 Speaker 1: to under five hundred million in total, and then basically 458 00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:44,720 Speaker 1: how to do that, how to live we had a 459 00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:49,880 Speaker 1: population that size, right, It describes the kind of new 460 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:53,720 Speaker 1: set of commandments that can be scary for some people. 461 00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:58,880 Speaker 1: Um that even for the most open minded person. It's 462 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:04,360 Speaker 1: it's somewhat a hacalyptic and impractical because million people is 463 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:07,920 Speaker 1: not not everybody. Yeah, but the rest of the stuff, 464 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:11,600 Speaker 1: I mean it makes sense to me. Basically, it whittles 465 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:14,120 Speaker 1: down to don't be a jerk and make room for nature. 466 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:18,280 Speaker 1: M hmm. That's that's what I have in my head. Yeah, 467 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:20,840 Speaker 1: it's a bunch of different languages. It is cool. It's 468 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:24,000 Speaker 1: worth the trip if you are near the area. If 469 00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:26,120 Speaker 1: you just have to drive a couple hours out, do 470 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,760 Speaker 1: check it out. Tell them we sent you. This black 471 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:33,760 Speaker 1: box is meant to be a it's not really meant 472 00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,959 Speaker 1: to be an art project. It's meant to stand the 473 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:41,280 Speaker 1: test of time. It's a collaboration between Cleminger B B 474 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,959 Speaker 1: d O, a creative agency called the Glue Society, and 475 00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:49,600 Speaker 1: researchers at the University of Tasmania. You can imagine how 476 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,640 Speaker 1: some people are a little bit dismissive of this, and 477 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:56,080 Speaker 1: they're saying, hey, this is just a PR stunt. But 478 00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:00,720 Speaker 1: in response to that, I would just pull up the 479 00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:04,560 Speaker 1: meme of the little kids saying why not both or whatever? 480 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,200 Speaker 1: If you remember that mean because I think something can 481 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:11,600 Speaker 1: get PR attention but then can also provide a serious 482 00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:15,560 Speaker 1: scientific work of value. So I think it's smart to 483 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:18,160 Speaker 1: do it. I think it would be cooler if there 484 00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:21,240 Speaker 1: were more things like this around the world. I want 485 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:24,320 Speaker 1: to live near one of these things. You know. Of course, 486 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:27,640 Speaker 1: if it were at a populated area, it would only 487 00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:29,840 Speaker 1: be a matter of time before someone drew like a 488 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:34,560 Speaker 1: dong or they wrote, you know, um, Jimmy Streets was 489 00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:39,040 Speaker 1: here or something. I don't know, Jimmy Streets is. But Jimmy, 490 00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:42,640 Speaker 1: Jimmy Streets is there. That's what that's what his thing is. 491 00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:46,440 Speaker 1: But we want to know what you think about this 492 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:50,680 Speaker 1: kind of project. Is it worthwhile? If not, why, and 493 00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:54,880 Speaker 1: perhaps most importantly, what advice or insight would you give 494 00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:57,960 Speaker 1: to the team over there at the University of Tasmania 495 00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:02,680 Speaker 1: to help them solve the biggest problem right now, which 496 00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:08,080 Speaker 1: is figuring out how people or things thousands and thousands 497 00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,920 Speaker 1: of years from now would be able to open this 498 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:15,680 Speaker 1: box and even more importantly understand what they found inside. 499 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:18,400 Speaker 1: We can't wait to hear your ideas on eight three 500 00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,280 Speaker 1: three st d w y t K again thanks to 501 00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:24,880 Speaker 1: Patrice in Australia. You can also emails directly Conspiracy at 502 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:28,280 Speaker 1: I heart radio dot com. We're gonna pause for word 503 00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:32,600 Speaker 1: from our sponsor. We're gonna return with a story that 504 00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:38,920 Speaker 1: is much less thought experimenting and much more dangerous. So 505 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:48,800 Speaker 1: stay tuned. All right, we've returned. We're gonna take a 506 00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:54,560 Speaker 1: look at one isolated incident that is currently affecting people 507 00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:58,560 Speaker 1: as we record this again on Monday, December six. And 508 00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:02,440 Speaker 1: this is the kind of thing where if there are 509 00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,600 Speaker 1: enough occurrences like this over a span of enough time 510 00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:09,360 Speaker 1: and on a big enough scale, we're led down to 511 00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:14,880 Speaker 1: the need for Earth's black box that we just talked about. Yeah, alright, 512 00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:18,840 Speaker 1: We're going to begin on Tuesday, November with a story 513 00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:22,600 Speaker 1: coming out of Navy Times dot com. The headline is, 514 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:27,719 Speaker 1: despite reports of rashes sickness after fuel leak, Hawaii base, 515 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:31,360 Speaker 1: water is safe, Navy says. I'm going to read directly 516 00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:35,720 Speaker 1: from this a bit. Although some residents aboard joint based 517 00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:39,920 Speaker 1: Pearl Harbor hick Um, which is in Hawaii, have complained 518 00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:43,759 Speaker 1: of headaches, stomach aches, skin rashes, and pet illnesses from 519 00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:47,520 Speaker 1: water that smells like gasoline, Navy officials say the water 520 00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:51,360 Speaker 1: is safe to drink. Now. The Hawaii Department of Health 521 00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:55,120 Speaker 1: and Navy tested the water and they found no measurable 522 00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:59,719 Speaker 1: quantities of fuel. And you can actually go to Facebook 523 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:04,560 Speaker 1: dot com and you can look up this Facebook post 524 00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,960 Speaker 1: which was made on the twenty nine of November. So 525 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:11,719 Speaker 1: I'm going to read directly from this Facebook post. The 526 00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:14,720 Speaker 1: Navy is investigating reports of a chemical smell and drinking 527 00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:17,480 Speaker 1: water at several homes and some of the military housing 528 00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:21,600 Speaker 1: areas for this base. There's no immediate indication that the 529 00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:25,320 Speaker 1: water is not safe. The Navy continues to investigate reports 530 00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:29,320 Speaker 1: and is testing the water. Navy engineers visited several homes 531 00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:31,960 Speaker 1: of families who reported the smell, and also immediately went 532 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:35,600 Speaker 1: to Navy's drinking water wells to investigate. There was no 533 00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:39,080 Speaker 1: smell or a sign of fuel or chemicals in the 534 00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:43,440 Speaker 1: water at the Navy's water wells and water tanks. Specialists 535 00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:47,080 Speaker 1: took samples of water at several locations for testing. They're 536 00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:51,080 Speaker 1: saying they continue to monitor, investigate, and will update residents. Meanwhile, 537 00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:54,600 Speaker 1: the residents of this base and the surrounding areas are 538 00:35:54,640 --> 00:36:00,120 Speaker 1: all saying, hey, our water smells like petroleum fuel. It 539 00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:04,520 Speaker 1: smells like it so much it's crazy, and we're all 540 00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:09,520 Speaker 1: getting sick. This is happening on no okay, this is 541 00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:13,600 Speaker 1: all like real time events at that moment, and the 542 00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:16,160 Speaker 1: Navy essentially came through and said, hey, we tested the water. 543 00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,040 Speaker 1: We checked it out officially, the water is fine. Go 544 00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:23,200 Speaker 1: about your business. You're good to go. However, if you 545 00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:26,800 Speaker 1: jump back to the article from Navy Times, they're saying 546 00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:31,560 Speaker 1: that the Red Hill Facility, which holds twenty underground fuel 547 00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:34,239 Speaker 1: storage tanks that date all the way back to World 548 00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:38,280 Speaker 1: War Two, it sits above an aquiffer which supplies water 549 00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:43,560 Speaker 1: to Oahu, the island there Oahu in Hawaii, and in 550 00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,839 Speaker 1: the past it's been the source of multiple leaks. So 551 00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:50,320 Speaker 1: it is a known quantity that this Navy fuel storage 552 00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:54,520 Speaker 1: system is above the aquifer that is sending people water, 553 00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,840 Speaker 1: and it's smelling like fuel. And all the residents seemed 554 00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:01,319 Speaker 1: to be going, here's this east, here's this piece. Oh wait, 555 00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:05,839 Speaker 1: this puzzle fits. But the Navy itself, at least as 556 00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:09,919 Speaker 1: of November, we're saying, no, there's there's nothing to see here. 557 00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:14,239 Speaker 1: I'm gonna jump to the next story. But let's talk 558 00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:19,480 Speaker 1: about this first. Yeah, that's this is the thing. So, Matt, 559 00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:25,440 Speaker 1: as you know, I have traveled widely in my time 560 00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:29,320 Speaker 1: or whatever, and I have been to some really sketchy places, 561 00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:33,640 Speaker 1: have been to some really nice places. Uh. Honolulu itself, 562 00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:40,960 Speaker 1: Hawaii itself is in many ways a study in contradiction. Right. Culturally, 563 00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:46,280 Speaker 1: it is very different from what you would consider mainland US, 564 00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:50,880 Speaker 1: probably in that it is a mix of so many 565 00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:55,960 Speaker 1: distinct cultures and the nation itself, the Kingdom of Hawaii, 566 00:37:56,480 --> 00:38:00,040 Speaker 1: which it was until the nineteen fifties. Shout out to 567 00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:03,279 Speaker 1: code named Doc Holidays, excellent stuff they don't want you 568 00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:06,760 Speaker 1: to know. Episode and how I should check that out. Uh, 569 00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:12,440 Speaker 1: the area of Honolulu and south the capital city. Um, 570 00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:17,520 Speaker 1: it has a very, very, very big military presence because 571 00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:20,439 Speaker 1: if you look at Hawaii on a map, you'll see 572 00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:23,359 Speaker 1: just how far away it is from the rest of 573 00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:30,239 Speaker 1: the United States, and its position is so strategic. So 574 00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:35,719 Speaker 1: there's definitely going to be a huge military presence on 575 00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:39,560 Speaker 1: the archipelago for the foreseeable future. And that's going to 576 00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:45,080 Speaker 1: remain incredibly controversial. There's a lot of resistance from the 577 00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:50,480 Speaker 1: local population to having the US Navy there. I mean, sure, 578 00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,000 Speaker 1: you know, you can make the argument that it provides 579 00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:57,600 Speaker 1: a ton of jobs, etcetera, etcetera, it provides security, and 580 00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:02,560 Speaker 1: from the US perspective, it makes absolute sense to have 581 00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:08,840 Speaker 1: the infrastructure they have in that area. However, it sounds 582 00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:11,520 Speaker 1: like this is something that's been a long time coming 583 00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:16,520 Speaker 1: that came to a head. The effects of tainted drinking water, 584 00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:18,680 Speaker 1: just like you can see with lead poisoning, just like 585 00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:21,279 Speaker 1: you can see with flint, Michigan. The effects of this 586 00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:25,879 Speaker 1: stuff aggregate over time. So I'm thinking, and I bet, 587 00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:27,720 Speaker 1: I bet you and I are on the same page, 588 00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:32,520 Speaker 1: because you alluded to it as well. I'm thinking maybe 589 00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:36,680 Speaker 1: something reached a tipping point and there was always some 590 00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:41,279 Speaker 1: kind of concern about this. Well, oh yeah, there there 591 00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:43,919 Speaker 1: has been. And it's specifically this thing called the Red 592 00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:47,279 Speaker 1: Hill Facility is what it's referred to as, and it's 593 00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:50,000 Speaker 1: the fuel tanks that are sitting above the aquifer. Because 594 00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:55,320 Speaker 1: having that infrastructure from the US military is or can 595 00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:59,399 Speaker 1: possibly have a major effect on way more people than 596 00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:02,680 Speaker 1: just those who are you know, employed by the military 597 00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:05,960 Speaker 1: on those bases and in the surrounding areas, because that 598 00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:09,960 Speaker 1: aquifer sends water to people across that island, the island 599 00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:12,560 Speaker 1: of Oahu. Uh. And we're not talking about a few, 600 00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:15,160 Speaker 1: We're talking about hundreds of thousands. So let's look at 601 00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:19,080 Speaker 1: the Red Hills kind of track record this The fuel 602 00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:24,400 Speaker 1: tank in more than twenty four thousand gallons of fuel 603 00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:29,200 Speaker 1: leaked okay, uh not great. On May six, which is 604 00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:33,080 Speaker 1: just earlier this year, a little over sixteen hundred gallons 605 00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:36,320 Speaker 1: of jet fuel were spilled from a pipeline at the facility. 606 00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:39,719 Speaker 1: According to the Navy, all but thirty eight gallons were 607 00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:45,839 Speaker 1: recovered in that incident. But in November, on the twenty one, 608 00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:49,640 Speaker 1: fourteen thousand gallons of fuel and water spilled from a 609 00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:53,000 Speaker 1: drain line near the Red Hill facility. And that's from 610 00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:59,200 Speaker 1: a statement by the military on November. Um So, residents 611 00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:02,799 Speaker 1: there are aware that there was a fuel spill, and 612 00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:05,880 Speaker 1: they're aware that there appears to be fuel in their water. 613 00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:10,040 Speaker 1: And again it's the residents putting the pieces together before 614 00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:13,439 Speaker 1: the officials come forward with a statement to say, hey, 615 00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:22,439 Speaker 1: don't drink that water. It's contaminated. Right, wow, thanks, thanks, Well, yeah, 616 00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:25,440 Speaker 1: and well, the official statement that came out at that 617 00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:28,680 Speaker 1: time was something pretty innocuous, like we we recommend that, 618 00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:31,120 Speaker 1: you know, residents in these areas do not use the 619 00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:35,759 Speaker 1: water for bathing or ingesting or you know, general things 620 00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:37,960 Speaker 1: you would use water for, just maybe don't do that. 621 00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:41,360 Speaker 1: We'd recommend it for now. Um So, again, this is 622 00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:47,000 Speaker 1: on Tuesday, No all of that. Then on Friday, December three, 623 00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:50,879 Speaker 1: the friday before we're recording this, the Navy comes out 624 00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:55,200 Speaker 1: and admits, yes, Pearl Harbor Well is contaminated with petroleum. 625 00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:59,160 Speaker 1: And this comes from military dot Com. And you can 626 00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:01,480 Speaker 1: actually again and go back to Facebook if you like, 627 00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:05,399 Speaker 1: and you can watch the little press conference essentially where 628 00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:09,480 Speaker 1: they made this announcement to everybody, because the families were 629 00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:13,640 Speaker 1: rightly freaking out. Imagine that, you know, you're unaware if 630 00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:15,800 Speaker 1: you can use your water or not, but it's really 631 00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:18,000 Speaker 1: the only source of water you've got. Let's say you've 632 00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:20,960 Speaker 1: got a child, maybe a child that's using baby formula. 633 00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:23,880 Speaker 1: You're going to mix you know, that baby formula with 634 00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:25,520 Speaker 1: the water coming out of the tap, because that's what 635 00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:29,200 Speaker 1: you have available. You should see the Facebook comments on 636 00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:32,080 Speaker 1: that page of families just trying to get an answer 637 00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:35,000 Speaker 1: of whether or not the water is okay for days 638 00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:37,440 Speaker 1: and days and days. And you may think Tuesday to 639 00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:40,160 Speaker 1: Friday that isn't that long of a time span, but 640 00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:43,480 Speaker 1: if you're imagining all the things you use water for 641 00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:47,920 Speaker 1: in your daily life, that's forever. Especially if there's no 642 00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:51,000 Speaker 1: there's no answers, and you're not getting water provided to 643 00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:56,000 Speaker 1: you in some other way as it is supposed to be. Yeah. Yeah, 644 00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:59,920 Speaker 1: And and to be clear, uh, Hawaii gets the majule 645 00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:04,680 Speaker 1: already of its water from groundwater. Yes. And if we 646 00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:07,879 Speaker 1: could talk a little bit about Red Hill, like it's 647 00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:12,320 Speaker 1: an old thing. It was built back in the forties, 648 00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:15,720 Speaker 1: I think, so this has been around for decades and decades, 649 00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:19,080 Speaker 1: which means that it needs a lot of maintenance and 650 00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:23,560 Speaker 1: a lot of overhauling, and that gets dangerous because the 651 00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:29,719 Speaker 1: question is becomes something like, this glass is broken. How 652 00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:33,000 Speaker 1: do I fix this broken glass without taking out, you know, 653 00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:35,680 Speaker 1: the beverage in it? How do I how do I 654 00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:39,120 Speaker 1: fix this gas tank without losing any gas? You know, 655 00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:42,400 Speaker 1: it's it's tough, and these things are huge. We're talking 656 00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:45,959 Speaker 1: what like a hundred feet in diameter two fifty ft 657 00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:51,000 Speaker 1: deep or tall. I don't know, man, I feel like, 658 00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:54,280 Speaker 1: and I don't mean to sound, you know, conspiratorial or whatever, 659 00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:57,320 Speaker 1: but I feel like this is one of those problems 660 00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:01,960 Speaker 1: that can get kicked down the road pretty often until 661 00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:05,080 Speaker 1: it reaches a point like this, Because it's no secret 662 00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:11,840 Speaker 1: the US has a huge infrastructure problem. Stuff bills for 663 00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:17,000 Speaker 1: trillions of dollars. I you know what, I don't know 664 00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:20,480 Speaker 1: what the answer is. I don't and do I do? 665 00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:24,359 Speaker 1: I know how much of that money that would get 666 00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:27,160 Speaker 1: approved would actually end up going to the work that 667 00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:29,640 Speaker 1: needs to be done. I don't know. And there are 668 00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:30,799 Speaker 1: a lot of you know, there are a lot of 669 00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:33,560 Speaker 1: people like Army Corps engineers and so on, at least 670 00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:36,359 Speaker 1: in the mainland side, who have been rightly pointing out 671 00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:39,080 Speaker 1: this problem, and there's been no shortage of people pointing 672 00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:42,440 Speaker 1: this problem out in Hawaii as well. I know that 673 00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:47,480 Speaker 1: there was a Senate bill and Senate built twelve fifty 674 00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:53,400 Speaker 1: nine with the Great title relating to underground storage tanks 675 00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:56,320 Speaker 1: that was going to require the d o H Department 676 00:44:56,320 --> 00:45:02,520 Speaker 1: of Health to start having bad or regulations too, to 677 00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:07,360 Speaker 1: have underground storage tanks and tank systems conformed to federal regulations, 678 00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:12,160 Speaker 1: which apparently they didn't beforehand, and to get some additional requirements, 679 00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:17,239 Speaker 1: safety requirements, maintenance stuff, regulatory stuff. That bill was introduced 680 00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:21,360 Speaker 1: in tweventeen and then eventually it got tabled, which means 681 00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:25,560 Speaker 1: didn't go anywhere. Well, yeah, and in this case, we're 682 00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:31,120 Speaker 1: talking about jet fuel and diesel storage that's underground, not 683 00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:34,920 Speaker 1: very far above an aquifer. Like that, to me is 684 00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:40,080 Speaker 1: the problem you're gonna You're gonna store volatile hydrocarbon's just 685 00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:44,640 Speaker 1: above the place where all the clean water is. I mean, 686 00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:47,319 Speaker 1: it just seems like a bad idea. And I know, 687 00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:48,840 Speaker 1: I get, I get what you're saying, Ben, and I 688 00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:51,600 Speaker 1: and I agree with you on many of those those points. 689 00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:54,760 Speaker 1: In this case, if you look to that that article 690 00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:58,160 Speaker 1: that I was mentioning from Friday, December three, when they 691 00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:01,320 Speaker 1: finally come out and admit this stuff is happening, they 692 00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:05,560 Speaker 1: say and disclose that on Sunday, five days prior to 693 00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:09,280 Speaker 1: their disclosure here, they had tested water at the site 694 00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:13,080 Speaker 1: and that quote one test was taken on Sunday night, 695 00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:16,560 Speaker 1: shortly after this incident was identified to the Navy, and 696 00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:20,239 Speaker 1: that test identified trace amounts of very volatile hydrocarbons that 697 00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:23,120 Speaker 1: would normally be associated with JP five, which is jet 698 00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:27,479 Speaker 1: fuel or diesel fuel. So on Sunday they they found 699 00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:32,040 Speaker 1: trace amounts, right, which I suppose if you're testing there 700 00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:35,279 Speaker 1: at the source where the leak occurred and you're only 701 00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:39,319 Speaker 1: finding trace amounts, maybe you're not that worried. But when 702 00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:44,880 Speaker 1: you remember that again, it's just above it's just above 703 00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:48,080 Speaker 1: the aquifer. So anything that did spill out that isn't 704 00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:51,560 Speaker 1: immediately in that area now has gone probably down out, 705 00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:56,200 Speaker 1: which is why you need when something like that occurs. 706 00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:58,799 Speaker 1: It's just means that no matter what you are, if 707 00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:01,799 Speaker 1: you're a private corporation, and if you're a giant, you know, 708 00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:04,920 Speaker 1: arm of the U. S. Military, you need to alert 709 00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:08,480 Speaker 1: people who may be affected, you know, by your actions 710 00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:10,520 Speaker 1: and as even as not your actions. Maybe it's just 711 00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:14,440 Speaker 1: it's an accident that occurred because of aging infrastructure. You 712 00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:16,239 Speaker 1: still got to be able to put that word out 713 00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:21,680 Speaker 1: really quickly and help people who need that information. Yeah, man, agreed. 714 00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:25,080 Speaker 1: I mean, look, we're not I don't think either of 715 00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:29,080 Speaker 1: us are saying someone in the US military is sitting 716 00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:33,080 Speaker 1: around steepiling their fingers Monty Burn style and saying yes, 717 00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:39,400 Speaker 1: let it just no, no, but you've got I'm not 718 00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:42,279 Speaker 1: saying that at all, Right, I don't think what know 719 00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:45,799 Speaker 1: what I what I mean is like this is one 720 00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:50,360 Speaker 1: example of the kind of thing that happens pretty frequently, 721 00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:53,240 Speaker 1: and I would take it back to Flint, you know, Michigan. 722 00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:55,160 Speaker 1: I take it back to other stories that we've covered 723 00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:59,160 Speaker 1: like this, where some small problem that would appears to 724 00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:01,440 Speaker 1: be a small problem the beginning turns out to be 725 00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:06,120 Speaker 1: way bigger issue, and nobody wants to like admit that 726 00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:08,799 Speaker 1: it's happening, or even like come out and officially say 727 00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:11,600 Speaker 1: it's happening until you get all the information. But it 728 00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:14,080 Speaker 1: just stinks because maybe that's the right thing to do 729 00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:18,719 Speaker 1: from an organizational strategic perspective, but in the end, their 730 00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:23,200 Speaker 1: consequences to real people who live in an affected area. Yeah, 731 00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:26,360 Speaker 1: and this is an especially extreme case of that because 732 00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:30,040 Speaker 1: it's not a currying in a vacuum. Uncle Sam actually 733 00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:34,279 Speaker 1: has a terrible history with pollution in and around Hawaii. 734 00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:38,840 Speaker 1: I believe they had dumped tens of thousands of bombs 735 00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:41,919 Speaker 1: in the ocean off of Wahoo, from like forty four 736 00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:45,200 Speaker 1: all the way to those bombs, A lot of them 737 00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:47,120 Speaker 1: are still down there. Some of them are filled with 738 00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:55,719 Speaker 1: crazy damaging stuff they like hydrogen, cyanide, mustard bombs, things 739 00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:59,440 Speaker 1: like that, just sort of into the ocean. But it's 740 00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:01,959 Speaker 1: not a good lash noise, folks. But we're working live. 741 00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:06,400 Speaker 1: You can actually learn more about this in a book 742 00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:10,160 Speaker 1: that came out just this year, I believe, called Poisoning 743 00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:13,520 Speaker 1: the Pacific, the U. S Military secret dumping of plutonium, 744 00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:18,239 Speaker 1: chemical weapons, and agent orange. So as unfortunate is as 745 00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:21,800 Speaker 1: it is to point it out, the people of Hawaii 746 00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:27,239 Speaker 1: are probably not especially surprised. Yea, I'm sure if you look, 747 00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:29,640 Speaker 1: and this is not all that's happening right now. I 748 00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:32,280 Speaker 1: think it was Sunday, Yeah, it was Sunday. On CNN 749 00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:35,720 Speaker 1: they posted a story Honolulu shut down. It's the largest 750 00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:39,400 Speaker 1: water source in Oahu, due to reported contamination of navy 751 00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:43,400 Speaker 1: well near Pearl Harbor. It's called the Halawa Shaft. I 752 00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:45,200 Speaker 1: think that's how you would say that it's a wall 753 00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:48,960 Speaker 1: who's largest water source that they had to shut down 754 00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:55,040 Speaker 1: while this while the contamination is being corrected. Let's say, Um, 755 00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:56,839 Speaker 1: so you can learn all about that if you head 756 00:49:56,840 --> 00:50:00,480 Speaker 1: over there again. They go deeper into some of the 757 00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:03,200 Speaker 1: fuel leaks that have come out of that particular place. 758 00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:06,080 Speaker 1: I just wanted everybody to get as much information as 759 00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:09,560 Speaker 1: they can, uh, and also shout out to anybody in 760 00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:13,680 Speaker 1: Hawaii at all right now, because we're also reading about 761 00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:16,719 Speaker 1: some of the emergency shelters that have been opened up 762 00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:20,120 Speaker 1: on Oahu and Maui because of this ConA low storm 763 00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:23,719 Speaker 1: that's coming through. So probably over by the time you're 764 00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:27,560 Speaker 1: hearing this, but maybe psychically in some way you know 765 00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:29,759 Speaker 1: that we're thinking about you right now. I don't know 766 00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:32,880 Speaker 1: how that works. We are, though, yeah, yeah, we are 767 00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:36,319 Speaker 1: very much so. And if you are listening to this 768 00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:41,799 Speaker 1: in Hawaii, whether whether in Honolulu or somewhere else in 769 00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:45,799 Speaker 1: the state, we would love to hear your perspective on this. 770 00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:48,400 Speaker 1: What do people on the ground think is going to 771 00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:52,600 Speaker 1: come of this? Better regulations or just something that flashes 772 00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:57,359 Speaker 1: in the news cycle and then gets suppressed. Also, if 773 00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:03,040 Speaker 1: you are the person, well we'll not name who drink 774 00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:08,000 Speaker 1: too much with me at that bar, that weird bar, uh, well, 775 00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:10,520 Speaker 1: shout out to you and thanks for tuning in. See 776 00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:13,279 Speaker 1: I really do have a show, all right, But my 777 00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:22,360 Speaker 1: name isn't Chris. That was my bad oh man. Yeah, 778 00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:24,480 Speaker 1: but but it's true, Matt, And this is a really 779 00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:28,480 Speaker 1: this is an important story because these things happen around 780 00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:32,520 Speaker 1: the world in ways that don't often get as much 781 00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:36,400 Speaker 1: attention as they should. You know what I mean, the 782 00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:41,480 Speaker 1: um the horrors of things like depleted uranium, the longstanding 783 00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:45,160 Speaker 1: chemical effects of dump sites, or the terrible stuff that 784 00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:48,919 Speaker 1: happens to people uh in parts of India who work 785 00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:52,560 Speaker 1: and ship breaking. For any morning who's not familiar with 786 00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:56,319 Speaker 1: ship breaking, it's exactly what it sounds like when it's 787 00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:59,640 Speaker 1: time to retire a ship. Who breaks it apart into 788 00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:02,600 Speaker 1: small our pieces. But the world is full of dangerous 789 00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:08,640 Speaker 1: pollution like this, and bringing awareness to it is important. Again, 790 00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:10,520 Speaker 1: we'd love to hear from you if you have lived 791 00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:13,000 Speaker 1: in Hawaii, If you live there now, we want to 792 00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:18,520 Speaker 1: hear your perspective of the people on the ground. Now, 793 00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:21,160 Speaker 1: what do they think is going to happen? Do they 794 00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:24,120 Speaker 1: believe what the military is saying? Do they think it's 795 00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:27,080 Speaker 1: only a matter of time before this happens again? Let 796 00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:28,520 Speaker 1: us know what's on your mind. We try to be 797 00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:32,480 Speaker 1: easy to find online. Yes, you can find us on Twitter, Facebook, 798 00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:35,799 Speaker 1: and YouTube, where we are conspiracy Stuff. You can also 799 00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:38,840 Speaker 1: find us on Instagram, where we are a Conspiracy Stuff show. 800 00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:42,040 Speaker 1: If you could take a moment, please right now, just 801 00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:44,959 Speaker 1: a moment, uh, you know, stop doing the dishes. 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