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Speaker 1: Sports Radio. Welcome to the program. It's our two on

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Speaker 1: this Wednesday, Dan and the Dan nstand Patrick Show. Well,

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Speaker 1: this news that's just coming out probably could have affected

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Speaker 1: what the Saints we're going to do at the trade deadline.

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Speaker 1: Ian Rappaport reporting that Michael Thomas makes the announcement he

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Speaker 1: I wondered if the New Orleans Saints would reach out

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Speaker 1: to extend the trade deadline for another day if you're

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Speaker 1: the New Orleans Saints. But as it stands, Teddy Bridgewater

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Speaker 1: still in Denver, obj is still in Cleveland. Doesn't sound

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Speaker 1: like he's a happy camper there. His dad, even speaking

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Speaker 1: on his behalf, Lebron James, even weighed in that free

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Speaker 1: OPJ that he'll again prove that he's a number one

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Speaker 1: wide receiver. Alrighty shows already in progress. Welcome eight seven

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Speaker 1: seven three d P Show email address, DPA dan Patrick

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Speaker 1: dot com, Twitter handle at dp show. The reason why

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Speaker 1: the Texans did not take a lesser deal for Deshaun Watson.

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Speaker 1: That story coming up in a little bit. Cincinnati head

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Speaker 1: coach Luke Fickle on the Bearcats on the outside of

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Speaker 1: the top four, in fact top five. They're sixth right

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Speaker 1: now in the rankings, and we'll have that conversation with

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Speaker 1: coach coming up in an hour from now. It might

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Speaker 1: not be wise to react too strongly to the weekly

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Speaker 1: college football rankings because there's a lot of football left

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Speaker 1: to be played. The committee reserves the right to change

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Speaker 1: its mind at any time, and you know, the first

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Speaker 1: one does give an indication of their thinking. Because Cincinnati's

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Speaker 1: now number six, they're undefeated, it's a clear sign they

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Speaker 1: don't respect the Bearcats performance against lower level competition. Did

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Speaker 1: have the win against Notre Dame at Notre Dame, that

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Speaker 1: should be big, But it all sort of plays out.

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Speaker 1: You know, Michigan State plays Ohio State, that's number three,

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Speaker 1: and number five Georgia eventually is going to play number

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Speaker 1: will start playing some good teams they can move up.

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Speaker 1: You never know what kind of weird upsets are going

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Speaker 1: to happen. It feels like it's weekend and week out

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Speaker 1: where you go what just happened? You can talk about

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Speaker 1: the rankings, but take it with a grain of salt.

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Speaker 1: This could end up be a really a challenging year

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Speaker 1: for the committee because normally the more debate the better

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Speaker 1: and then set in that sense, this is shaping up

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Speaker 1: to be an intriguing finale to the college football season.

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Speaker 1: But we'll talk to the Cincinnati head coach. You had

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Speaker 1: Ohio State losing to Oregon. That's a big win for Oregon.

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Speaker 1: Can Oregon win out? We thought after beating Ohio State,

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Speaker 1: we expect them to be there. Michigan State with the

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Speaker 1: win against Michigan, But then if Ohio State Michigan beats

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Speaker 1: Michigan State, then Michigan State's going to drop out. If

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Speaker 1: Michigan State beats Ohio State, can Ohio State still get

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Speaker 1: know some of these other the outliers. They got a quarterback,

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Speaker 1: They're playing a whole lot better. But Georgia, even with

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Speaker 1: going to be there at the University of Cincinnati this weekend.

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Speaker 1: Just make sure you don't lose. You know, you can't

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Speaker 1: Fickle has done a wonderful job there, and Cincinnati is

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Speaker 1: I have nothing to base this on, just gut feeling

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Speaker 1: It's not fair to the underdog, you know. March Madness

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Speaker 1: at strength of schedule. I understand all of that, but

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Speaker 1: Cincinnati is still Just watch him play. It's a good team,

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Speaker 1: you how about this? How about this for a new idea.

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Speaker 1: If Cincinnati finishes fifth, they get to play the national

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Speaker 1: love that though, where now you can say like, okay,

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Speaker 1: I love that. But when you know these coaches get upset,

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Speaker 1: it is brands like Ohio States Big, It's huge because

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Speaker 1: That's why we're going to expand to twelve because forever

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Speaker 1: I'm a club. But they put in a charity case

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Speaker 1: I just thought there could Where Where did that wow

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Speaker 1: I haven't offended the Yeah, that's a big one right there. Yeah, congratulations. Yes,

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Speaker 1: brother Yes, yes, uh James and Cincinnati, Hi James, what's

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Speaker 1: on your mind today? What ut DP? Six foot pissed

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Speaker 1: off one? All right? I mean, like you just said,

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Speaker 1: time ago, James, but they don't, right, So what's the

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Speaker 1: point of him having one and putting team's ranked all year?

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Speaker 1: They should just do this College Football show every week

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Speaker 1: from week one because currently I got some numbers for

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Speaker 1: you DP teams ranked by the AP currently that weren't

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Speaker 1: they want to make all these cases. Michigan State they

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Speaker 1: They beat IU by five, and OT you see, beat

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Speaker 1: gave Sean Payton a do over, given the Michael Thomas

426
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Speaker 1: news that he's now out for the year, would they

427
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Speaker 1: have made a run at Odell Beckham or should they

428
00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:31,479
Speaker 1: have brought in maybe Teddy Bridgewater tried to see if

429
00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:34,040
Speaker 1: the Broncos were willing to trade him and pay part

430
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Speaker 1: of that salary. The Saints didn't do anything. How surprising

431
00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:42,120
Speaker 1: was that? Well they tried. The Saints were actively involved

432
00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:46,320
Speaker 1: on talks for wide receivers, in particular Darius Slayton was one.

433
00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:49,200
Speaker 1: At some point there may have been a conversation about

434
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Speaker 1: Odell Beckham Junior. Two. The issue with the conversations yesterday,

435
00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:56,119
Speaker 1: and obviously they were sparked by Odell Beckham Senior and

436
00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:59,800
Speaker 1: Lebron James saying various things about freeing O'Dell from Cleveland.

437
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:02,879
Speaker 1: There was no way that the Browns could trade that

438
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:05,280
Speaker 1: contract and it was too late to eat money like

439
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:09,280
Speaker 1: the Broncos did with Von Miller. So Beckhams do fourteen

440
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:12,000
Speaker 1: point five million this year in base salary. Almost the

441
00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:15,320
Speaker 1: entire things fully guaranteed a new team Saints or otherwise

442
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:19,040
Speaker 1: would have had to take on eight point five million dollars.

443
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:21,640
Speaker 1: There's nobody in the league who is trying to take

444
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:24,720
Speaker 1: on any salary hardly much less take on that amount

445
00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:28,000
Speaker 1: of money for a guy who just hasn't been that productive.

446
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:30,920
Speaker 1: If you and our research people pull up these numbers yesterday,

447
00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:34,639
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield his passer rating is twenty points lower this

448
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:38,640
Speaker 1: season throwing to Odell versus anybody else. And Baker Mayfield

449
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 1: has the lowest passer rating to Odell beckhaf Junior, the

450
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:44,680
Speaker 1: lowest passer rating for a duo of anybody in the

451
00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:46,800
Speaker 1: league going back to twenty nineteen with at least one

452
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:49,480
Speaker 1: hundred of tips. Those two, for whatever reason, and obviously

453
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:51,879
Speaker 1: there's a throw in Minnesota, Baker just missus Odell to

454
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:54,120
Speaker 1: be a game winning play could change the entire tenor

455
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,920
Speaker 1: of the conversation. For whatever reason, those two have never

456
00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:00,680
Speaker 1: clicked three years. The chemistry is not there. A contract

457
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:02,960
Speaker 1: just isn't tradeable for a guy who's got what seventeen

458
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:06,800
Speaker 1: catches no touchdowns this season, you know, And frankly, if

459
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:10,120
Speaker 1: O'Dell had not had a contract guarantee kick in while

460
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:12,280
Speaker 1: he was still rehabbing from his ACL, he probably wouldn't

461
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:14,840
Speaker 1: even be on the Browns this season. Yeah, it's just

462
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:17,680
Speaker 1: weird that, you know, people keep bringing up Odell Beckham

463
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 1: and you know he brings about clicks. You know, when

464
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:22,240
Speaker 1: you talk about Odell Beckham and Baker Mayfield, it's clicks.

465
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:27,240
Speaker 1: Therefore he gets he's over exposed and right now overrated.

466
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:29,600
Speaker 1: But I can still watch a game and I don't

467
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:32,640
Speaker 1: hear his name called Tom, Like this is a guy

468
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:36,159
Speaker 1: that I'm being told, Oh, you know, he's generational talent.

469
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 1: Is this design? Is it? Like? How do you have

470
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:44,520
Speaker 1: a lack of chemistry, communication, or whatever it is with

471
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,680
Speaker 1: somebody that great that somehow you're not on the same

472
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:50,560
Speaker 1: page with him. Well, that's the real question, because these

473
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:53,440
Speaker 1: guys have had Even though Odell's had some injuries, obviously

474
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:55,560
Speaker 1: the ACL last year he was limited through the course

475
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 1: of training camp, they've had a lot of time on

476
00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:01,720
Speaker 1: task together and for whatever it has not clicked. Now.

477
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:04,679
Speaker 1: Odell has had I think thirty four targets this season.

478
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:08,240
Speaker 1: He's had seventeen catches such fifty percent, which again not

479
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:10,359
Speaker 1: a very good number. He's dropped a couple of passes,

480
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:13,000
Speaker 1: he had opportunities on fourth down a couple of weeks ago,

481
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:15,800
Speaker 1: didn't haul him in. He's playing with a significant shoulder

482
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:19,160
Speaker 1: injury right now too, But you have to evaluate. As

483
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,480
Speaker 1: part of the conversation, I go back to the training

484
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 1: camp this year, and you know at that time Odell

485
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 1: was not doing team drills yet. This is like halfway

486
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:28,640
Speaker 1: through training camp. But you stand there on the sideline

487
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 1: and you watch him and the quick twitch that he

488
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:34,919
Speaker 1: has to him, how fast he is, how agile he is,

489
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:37,159
Speaker 1: and you still go, how is this guy not one

490
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:39,679
Speaker 1: of the best receivers in the NFL? And it certainly

491
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:43,200
Speaker 1: possible in another system or with a different quarterback, there

492
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:45,239
Speaker 1: might be more opportunities out there for him. But right

493
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:47,960
Speaker 1: now he's playing in an offense in Cleveland that has

494
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:51,840
Speaker 1: been since Kevin Stefanski got there, really really productive centers

495
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 1: around the run game, Nick Chubb and when he's healthy,

496
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:57,959
Speaker 1: Kareem Hunt. The passing game in some regards come second.

497
00:26:58,000 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 1: So he's never gonna get you know, it's not gonna

498
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,199
Speaker 1: be the McAdoo Giants offense where basically they made the

499
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,119
Speaker 1: playoffs that year because they threw it to him twenty

500
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 1: times a game and just were like Odell, try to

501
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,160
Speaker 1: make something happening, so we had nothing else going on.

502
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 1: It's never going to be like that in Cleveland. You know, Odell,

503
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 1: I'm sure in his mind, and I haven't spoken to

504
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 1: him about it, but I would guess he still believes

505
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 1: he's one of the best receivers in the NFL. He

506
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,480
Speaker 1: could put up those monster numbers. The offense isn't really

507
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:21,440
Speaker 1: gear to do that, but when you get the opportunities,

508
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 1: you have to find a way to connect in Baker

509
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 1: and O'Dell haven't done. I was told yesterday by a

510
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 1: source that Denver is loading up for Aaron Rodgers. That

511
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:35,919
Speaker 1: they know that the Packers like draft picks. You know,

512
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 1: they don't go to the free agent market very often.

513
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 1: That they're going to load up if he's going to

514
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:43,159
Speaker 1: be available there. And that's why when you trade von Miller,

515
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 1: pick up his salary, and but you're getting a second

516
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 1: and third round pick, like, we got to have a

517
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:52,120
Speaker 1: nice gift offering to the Packers to get Aaron Rodgers.

518
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:55,399
Speaker 1: What do you think of that philosophy by Denver. I

519
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 1: think it's fair to say the Broncos as of now

520
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,240
Speaker 1: don't know that they have the quarterback of the future

521
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 1: on the roster. Teddy Bridgewater coming in from Caroline on

522
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 1: I think for a sixth round pick beats out Drew Locke,

523
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:10,440
Speaker 1: former second rounder. It's fair to say you're not committed

524
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:12,879
Speaker 1: to either of those guys as your long term quarterback. So,

525
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 1: whether it's Aaron Rodgers or something else, the Broncos absolutely

526
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 1: or loaded up on capitol to have the flexibility to

527
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 1: go out and get a quarterback. They've been connected to

528
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:24,879
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers. He was the MVP of the NFL last season.

529
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 1: He's playing at a really high level now. Aaron told

530
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:31,679
Speaker 1: people going back into the offseason with all the drama,

531
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 1: that Denver was a place that he wanted to be

532
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:37,200
Speaker 1: and we'll see who the head coach ends up being

533
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 1: in Denver two, which also could alter exactly how Aaron

534
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 1: Rodgers looks at things in terms of, you know, where

535
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 1: he wants to land. Think about this, though, we had

536
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 1: so much quarterback movement last offseason, beginning with Matthew Stafford,

537
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 1: a green a partways with the Lions, he gets traded

538
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 1: to the Rams. You had Carson Wentz who was on

539
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 1: the move. You had obviously rumors and some reality too.

540
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 1: To Russell Wilson, Aaron Rodgers, well, in this offseason. Now,

541
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson did not get traded. That is an extraordinarily

542
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 1: complicated situation, including the serious allegations of sexual misconduct. You

543
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 1: have Russell Wilson. We don't know exactly what direction that's

544
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 1: going to go. You have Aaron Rodgers, even though the

545
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 1: Packers are playing well, and suddenly Aaron is throwing some

546
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 1: bouquets to Brian Goodacoon's in the front office about the

547
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 1: moves that they have made, which don't overlook that all

548
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 1: three of those guys potentially could be available. This is

549
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 1: not regarded as a really good class in the draft

550
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 1: in terms of quarterbacks. When I've talked to scouts and

551
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 1: gms and they're flying around the country watching these guys,

552
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 1: it's not a really highly regarded group. Now, is somebody

553
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 1: gonna make one of those guys into the number one

554
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 1: overall pick? History would say yes, someone will convince themselves

555
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 1: to do it. But if you're looking for a quarterback

556
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two, and it's quite likely that the

557
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 1: Broncos will be, you're certainly inclined to be looking at

558
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 1: those potential veteran options over the draft, and there's at

559
00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 1: least three guys, not even counting the one year contract guys,

560
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 1: the Jameis Winston's of the world. Uh, there's three guys

561
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 1: who everyone's going to be looking at. And those deals

562
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 1: once again could come well before the start a free

563
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 1: agency on March sixteenth. And and I had a source saying,

564
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 1: you know, Rogers still wants to get back out west.

565
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 1: That I think he thought that he was going to

566
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 1: go to the Rams, that that maybe that was going

567
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 1: to be the possibility, or he could go to the Niners.

568
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 1: You know, when you start going out west, how many

569
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 1: teams are out west. That's why quarterbacks. Yeah, and that's

570
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:32,479
Speaker 1: why Denver seems like the the option. The question is,

571
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 1: I mean, who knows what happens the rest of the year, playoffs,

572
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 1: you know, any of that stuff. But I did think

573
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 1: that Denver has a philosophy here. You'll you'll have a

574
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 1: new head coach next year. Um, you know they're going

575
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 1: to try to do you know, John Elway's probably going

576
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 1: to try to do what he did with Manning, you know,

577
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 1: recruit Aaron Rodgers the best he can. And uh, you know,

578
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 1: I think it flied to Aaron Rodgers. That didn't he

579
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 1: do that with Peyton Manning like he wanted Peyton so badly.

580
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 1: He's like, I'm I'm going to fly to you. I

581
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 1: want to bring you in. And maybe maybe that's what

582
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 1: the philosophy is. If you're given up on von Miller

583
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 1: and that's you know, it's an interesting team though, Tom.

584
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 1: I think Denver quietly has a young nucleus that could

585
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 1: be a surprise team. It's just in that division, you

586
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 1: better have yourself a quarterback because everybody else has a quarterback,

587
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 1: even the Raiders with Derek Carr. Well, if you're looking

588
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 1: at the weapons, and I can guarantee you Aaron Rodgers

589
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 1: did that last offseason when he was having various conversations

590
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 1: and hoping that he was going to be potentially playing

591
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 1: someplace other than Green Bay. I mean, Javonte Williams is

592
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 1: a good young running back. Obviously, Melvin Gordon in that

593
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 1: backfield too, Jerry Judy, Cortland Sutton at the wide receiver positions.

594
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 1: No a fan at tight end. They've invested in the

595
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 1: offensive line and defensively, even though you know you're going

596
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 1: through a transition. Bradley Chubb hasn't stayed healthy. You got

597
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 1: Patrick surtandle let's say a really good young quarter. Yeah,

598
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 1: there's absolutely some building blocks, and you have to credit

599
00:31:57,600 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 1: their new GM, George Peyton, just for what he has

600
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 1: done and being able to amass assets right now, not

601
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 1: necessarily compromising this season because they're still in the playoff

602
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 1: race in the AFC. It's just it's impossible to pass

603
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 1: up a second and third round pick for a guy

604
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 1: in von Miller, who in all likely it was not

605
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 1: going to be with the Broncos beyond this season anyway.

606
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 1: So yes, there's definitely some building blocks in place. You

607
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 1: can also bet though Aaron Rodgers is going to want

608
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 1: to know who is the head coach. Vic Fangio's in

609
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 1: his third year there. We'll see how the rest of

610
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 1: this season goes. If there's somebody that Aaron Rodgers likes

611
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 1: who lands that job or a different job, that certainly

612
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 1: could influence his thinking. And at some point Aaron Rodgers too,

613
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:37,239
Speaker 1: remember he's still under contract for twenty twenty two, So

614
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 1: there's a conversation that's going to take place after this

615
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 1: season and we'll see what direction it goes. I mean,

616
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 1: even if they win the Super Bowl, that does not

617
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 1: necessarily guarantee everything is coomed. Bay On Aaron Rodgers wants

618
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 1: to stay there, so we'll see exactly how this entire

619
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 1: thing plays out. But at that point, the Packers, if

620
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers says, listen, even though we won big, or

621
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 1: we didn't win big, whatever it is, I still want out,

622
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 1: the Packers will have two options. One is to say, Aaron,

623
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 1: you got one you're left on this on your contract

624
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 1: you have, We're gonna make you play that out and

625
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 1: then you can walk in free agency. Or the Packers

626
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 1: can say we know we can trade this guy right now,

627
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 1: potentially for multiple first round picks, build around Jordan Love,

628
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 1: reboot the whole thing, as opposed to Rogers walking after

629
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, I was getting a third round comp

630
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 1: pick in twenty twenty three. That's a critical evaluation, and

631
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 1: I'm sure that's something Mark Murphy, Brian Goodacoonstein company have

632
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 1: already been thinking through, even at a time where if

633
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 1: you watch the Packers play right now, I can't imagine anybody,

634
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 1: as much as you want to think long term, but

635
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 1: I can't imagine anybody is rooting for Aaron Rodgers to

636
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 1: be someplace other than Green Bay in twenty The Rams philosophy,

637
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Speaker 1: what do you make of it. It's fascinating. In fact,

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Speaker 1: I was talking with a GM about this yesterday who said,

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Speaker 1: you know, he thought what they're doing is pretty cool

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Speaker 1: because nobody's done this. I mean, this is breaking the

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Speaker 1: mold of last twenty years of roster building in terms

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Speaker 1: of giving up virtually all your draft picks next year.

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Speaker 1: And listen, they could still get comp pics and returns.

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Speaker 1: You look at some of those things. If Vaughan walks,

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Speaker 1: for instance, after this season, you give up a second

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Speaker 1: and third to Denver, will you get a third back

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Speaker 1: seat out in twenty twenty three, but you get that

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Speaker 1: back if Vaughan signs elsewhere, potentially in free agency. But

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Speaker 1: they they've leveraged themselves to the hilth. I mean, they've

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Speaker 1: been extremely aggressive, going all the way back to you.

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Speaker 1: Last year when they ate Todd Gurley's salary to release him,

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Speaker 1: they had to find a taker for Jared Goff, and

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Speaker 1: they give up multiple ones along to get Matthew Stafford

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Speaker 1: out LA. Now you give up two more draft picks,

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Speaker 1: You've got virtually no draft capital in twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 1: But they're going for it. They're at a competitive market

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Speaker 1: in LA. They have to look at the Chargers, not

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Speaker 1: that it's a competition necessarily, but if you're playing in

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Speaker 1: the same stadium, I would imagine when the Chargers are playing,

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Speaker 1: well they got a hot young quarterback in Justin Herbert,

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Speaker 1: you're thinking, well, we got to make sure that we're

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Speaker 1: going for it every year. So that's what they've done.

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Speaker 1: And I said this, you know, all the way back

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Speaker 1: in March. One of the dynamics I think is fascinating

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Speaker 1: is Matthew Stafford, through his entire careers obviously been a

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Speaker 1: really good quarterback, but he's never had pressure on him before.

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Speaker 1: In other words, every time that the Lions either got

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Speaker 1: to the playoffs, they go nine and seven, they lose

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Speaker 1: in the first round again where they go six and ten,

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Speaker 1: nobody was going they got here. At Stafford, everyone's going,

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Speaker 1: it's the Lions by the Lions. If only he weren't

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Speaker 1: on the Lions. Well that's gone. Now you have everything

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Speaker 1: around you. If you're Stafford, you know, he always he

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Speaker 1: plays hurt, He takes a lot of nicks, He kind

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Speaker 1: of keeps himself going. I think that's going to be

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Speaker 1: one of the storylines of this entire stretch run of

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Speaker 1: the season into January. He's just Matthew Stafford on the

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Speaker 1: biggest stage for the first time in his career. There's

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Speaker 1: no excuses, and I think a lot of Matthew is

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Speaker 1: a person I've been dealt with him through the years.

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Speaker 1: He's obviously been again a really good player. But now

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Speaker 1: the pressure is on. It's on John McVeigh, it's on

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Speaker 1: the rest of that staff because if you don't win

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Speaker 1: this year after you went for it, you got to

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Speaker 1: pay for that in some regard because of the capital

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Speaker 1: you've given up in the future. Great stuff, Tom, Thank

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Speaker 1: you have a great weekend anytime. Thanks. That's Tom Placero

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Speaker 1: covers the NFL or the NFL Network and coming up

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Speaker 1: We'll check in with the Cincinnati head football coach Luke Fickle.

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Speaker 1: He'll join us coming up top of the hour. We

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Speaker 1: haven't against the Grain coming up next. The topic mclovin

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Speaker 1: is your record isn't what you say you are? Okay, No,

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Speaker 1: that's all right, it's you're not what your record says

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Speaker 1: you are. What's the bills for ourselves? Quote Dan, I

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Speaker 1: don't find out. Yeah, yeah, it's something like, yeah, we're

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Speaker 1: Scottie Pippen has a book coming out. Had some comments

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Speaker 1: talking about Michael Jordan said that he was basically a

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Speaker 1: prop for Michael. Jordan felt that Michael was very dismissive

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Speaker 1: talking down to him in the documentary. But okay, Michael,

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Speaker 1: doing a documentary about Michael is going to be about

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Speaker 1: Michael and making sure Michael looks good. I don't know

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Speaker 1: why Scotty is so surprised at that, It says Jordan,

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Speaker 1: and Scotty said a lot of that stuff when he

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Speaker 1: was with us a few months back, and even said

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Speaker 1: that Michael was manipulating the cameras when they beat the

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Speaker 1: Utah Jazz, when Michael had the past to Steve Kerr

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Speaker 1: and Kerr hit the free throw the foul line jumper

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Speaker 1: that Scotty said that he did it because the cameras

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Speaker 1: were on there. And you have Michael acting as if

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Speaker 1: he was the coach to say, I'm going to throw

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Speaker 1: it to you, Steve, make sure you hit the shot.

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Speaker 1: But I just think Scottie, for so many years, was

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Speaker 1: not really the focal point of the Bulls. He was

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Speaker 1: just a wonderful player, a complimentary player to Mike. But

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Speaker 1: you had Phil Jackson, Dennis Rodman, Michael Jordan. Those are

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Speaker 1: big shadows. And I don't think anybody went to Scotty

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Speaker 1: after games and said, hey, I can't wait to hear

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Speaker 1: what Scotty has to say, and maybe that's not fair

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Speaker 1: to Scottie Pippen, but it feels like Scottie is scorched earth.

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Speaker 1: He wants everybody to know sort of what happened. Look,

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Speaker 1: Mike's not a good team mate. You know, he got

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Speaker 1: out there and he was a killer, and we celebrate

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Speaker 1: him for that. We don't hold him accountable for all

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Speaker 1: the stuff he did off the court to his teammates.

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Speaker 1: You know, if Lebron did this, oh my god, there'd

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Speaker 1: be a United Nations inquiry. But you know there's no

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Speaker 1: social media. You know, we always viewed as well. Michael

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Speaker 1: punched Steve Kerr, well, that could make Steve tougher. Took

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Speaker 1: a swing at Will Purdue. That makes him tougher. Like

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Speaker 1: we find excuses for Jordan. He's just a wonderful basketball player.

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Speaker 1: And Michael got paid ten million dollars to do the documentary.

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Speaker 1: Nobody else got paid. I don't know how anybody's surprised

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Speaker 1: at this. This is who Michael is. Also, Michael was

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Speaker 1: strategic and I said this when it happened Lebron just

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Speaker 1: won a title. Michael had been asked to do this

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Speaker 1: documentary for years. All of a sudden, Lebron starts to

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Speaker 1: creep up with titles and you know scoring, and he's

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Speaker 1: gonna be the all time leading scorer, and Mike just

756
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Speaker 1: drops it. Mike dropped the mic. All it was was

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Speaker 1: a ten part reminder of how great Michael Jordan was.

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Speaker 1: That's all. It's a whole new generation, that's what happened.

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Speaker 1: So I don't know anybody surprised at this. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: the other thing with Jordan, he doesn't step off the

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Speaker 1: gas as he gets older. He doesn't ease his role.

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Speaker 1: He steps on people's necks as he gets older. In

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Speaker 1: the documentary, he didn't say like he wasn't glowing and

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Speaker 1: gracious about Scotti, pipp and his teammates. He gave him

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Speaker 1: the bare minimum of compliments and he hasn't changed. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I felt bad for Scottie because I didn't think Mike celebrated.

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Speaker 1: Mike wouldn't have won these titles. We saw what happened

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Speaker 1: when he didn't have Scottie. Sometimes wouldn't make it out

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Speaker 1: of the first round. He got Scotty. He got one

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Speaker 1: of the great coaches of all time. Tony ko coach

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Speaker 1: was wonderful, Rodman was wonderful. But Michael is the one

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Speaker 1: who gets the credit for all of that. And I

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Speaker 1: think Scottie has reason to be upset. But and you

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Speaker 1: could have been upset a long time ago. Not now,

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Speaker 1: all right, mclob and against the grain, and the topic is, okay,

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Speaker 1: these are three teams who are way better than their record.

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Speaker 1: You know, Bill parcels, you are what your record says

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Speaker 1: you are. Not in this case, Dan a little against

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Speaker 1: the grain? Break here three teams. You want to guess

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Speaker 1: who I'm gonna get the music? You know me better

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Speaker 1: than anyone. Guess what's three? Guess what what kind of teams?

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Speaker 1: They're gonna go with? Three teams that are way better

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Speaker 1: than their bad record. So all the teams that are

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Speaker 1: they have losing records. Yeah, and they're going to turn

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Speaker 1: it around in a big way. Yes, I know he's

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Speaker 1: going to work the Eagles in here. No, Oh, right division,

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Speaker 1: Wrong team. I'm leading strong with this one. The Washington

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Speaker 1: football team. No, I think No, I think Big Blue

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Speaker 1: and the New York Giants are about to go on

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Speaker 1: a serious run. Boha, because basically they did this last year.

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Speaker 1: Remember they were one and seven and they came back

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Speaker 1: and almost made the playoffs. They have the easiest schedule

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Speaker 1: they get the Eagles, the Dolphins, the Chargers is a

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Speaker 1: winnable game. Now the Eagles again, the Bears. Washington football team,

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Speaker 1: they're pretty good. I watched them. We get to Kansas City,

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Speaker 1: really paid attention. They've lost fluky games. Here they come

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Speaker 1: big blue. You look quizzical. Any thoughts on them? No,

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Speaker 1: I mean I don't think the Cowboys are in danger.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no no, I didn't say they were gonna

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Speaker 1: make the playoffs. All right, who's the next one? Miami

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Speaker 1: Dolphins are one and seven. They're way better than a

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Speaker 1: one and seven too. They actually couldn't even beaten the

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Speaker 1: Bills last week. They have Houston coming up with their

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Speaker 1: they have the Giants. Anyone can beat them. They have

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Speaker 1: the Jets again. They have all sorts of easy teams.

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Speaker 1: So the other thing two is they have nothing to

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Speaker 1: tank for now. They don't have their dro home draft picks,

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Speaker 1: so I think they get hot. And my last turnaround

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Speaker 1: team Gohawks. Seattle's three and five playoffs. That's the one thing.

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Speaker 1: I think they have a sneaky chance to make the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: Because Russell got his pin out and they're coming hard

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Speaker 1: right after the bye. They have Green Bay, Arizona, Washington,

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Speaker 1: right now. Yeah, if us comes when he comes back,

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Speaker 1: then he's already thrown thrown the ball, so yeah, I

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Speaker 1: Seattle Seahawks. All Seahawks, Baby, yeah, you are not what

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Speaker 1: than their record. Oh but they are, well we thought

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Speaker 1: mclovin and Kenny Green. Final hour, you want to crown him?

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