Speaker 1: The guys from paying They've kind of showed me how
Speaker 1: much the equipment matters.
Speaker 2: I just love that I can hit any shot.
Speaker 1: I kind of want we're gonna be able to tell
Speaker 1: some fun stories about what goes on here to help
Speaker 1: golfers play better golf.
Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, welcome back to the Ping prooven Grounds podcast.
Speaker 2: I'm Shane Bak and joined as always by Marty Jertsen.
Speaker 2: Tony Serrano is back on the pod. Been a minute
Speaker 2: since we've chat. It'd been a minute since the Scott
Speaker 2: Stills putters were a part of the new launch of
Speaker 2: Ping golf Clubs. I know that's exciting for twenty twenty five, right,
Speaker 2: It's been quite.
Speaker 3: A few years now since we've done a scuts Sell
Speaker 3: putter back. I think it's about ten years or so.
Speaker 3: We did a Scott Still, then we followed up with
Speaker 3: a Scott Still tier.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've had one for a long time already. I
Speaker 2: remember I had the Scott Stale in the bag for
Speaker 2: a long time, kind of answer style and it you
Speaker 2: remember the adjustable shafts, remember that run back in the day.
Speaker 2: I had that thing in there forever. I mean, I
Speaker 2: think I probably played my Scott Still I think it
Speaker 2: might have been the original run of them had in
Speaker 2: the bag for four or five years, so I was
Speaker 2: excited to hear the returns here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think this family has some similarities. I mean,
Speaker 1: one thing, back when the way we did Scott Stale
Speaker 1: ten years ago had that red color kind of master G.
Speaker 4: Fifteen and things of that nature.
Speaker 1: Here, you're going to see Scott our new Scottsdale family
Speaker 1: have a color tie, a brand tie, that.
Speaker 4: Psychological tie to our G four forty yep.
Speaker 1: Right, So Tony talked a little bit about just the
Speaker 1: name Scottsdale, like what is it?
Speaker 4: What does it mean to the company.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I think over the last few years our
Speaker 3: naming of our putters, we've done a few different things
Speaker 3: and tried some different stuff. Some of the feedback we've
Speaker 3: had had from our sales reps and accounts is like,
Speaker 3: can't we get back to a name of this line
Speaker 3: of putters and what how that works? It keeps a
Speaker 3: lot cleaner, a lot easier to understand. So we went
Speaker 3: to John k and said, Hey, this is something we'd
Speaker 3: like to do. He was open to it, asked for
Speaker 3: some suggestions of names. The list was very short, right,
Speaker 3: So we went back to him. We talked a little
Speaker 3: bit to John K about the names and what they
Speaker 3: meant to PING and Scottsdale stood out. And the reason
Speaker 3: they stood out was a few reasons. It's one that
Speaker 3: you just talked about is we had a line of
Speaker 3: putters before that. It was very successful for us, and
Speaker 3: we had a really good run with those lines with
Speaker 3: that line of putters. But also it's just Scottsdale in general.
Speaker 3: It's a golf haven's. We had the scott Stale putter
Speaker 3: that had the peel box or address in the backs
Speaker 3: that it's a little bit of a tie there. And
Speaker 3: and then just overall, I think where pings at and Scottsdale,
Speaker 3: the golfing, the waste management, all that stuff just kind
Speaker 3: of made sense. So that's John K was good with that,
Speaker 3: and we jumped on that name and are moving forward
Speaker 3: with it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So Scottsdale family. So we have pld's this is
Speaker 1: kind of the meticulously milled putters, customized things of that
Speaker 1: nature that's doing quite well for us. What is the
Speaker 1: big differentiator between PLD in this Scottsdale family.
Speaker 3: Good question. So, the like you said, the PLD is
Speaker 3: a very high precision mill part that we started out
Speaker 3: a block and we machine the whole. All those putters
Speaker 3: are machined and their tolerances are extremely tight, but there's
Speaker 3: there's no one. It's for the player that likes a
Speaker 3: little bit more of a firmer fiel off the face.
Speaker 3: But even with our scots that we offer a couple
Speaker 3: different levels of firmness. I would say our deep mill
Speaker 3: on the pold is probably the softest one for a
Speaker 3: milk putter, and I would say in the Scotstone. Now
Speaker 3: with this answert, it's the next step in that direction
Speaker 3: of a softer feeling face. So that's the biggest difference.
Speaker 3: But I will jump into taking an answert and putting
Speaker 3: it into a putter that allows you to do a
Speaker 3: few things with your designs. YEA One is if you
Speaker 3: imagine taking a solid face putter and you're taking this
Speaker 3: much material out, but you're taking forty or fifty grams
Speaker 3: out right and you're putting ten back in, so you
Speaker 3: have forty issue grams of discretionary weight to work with.
Speaker 3: So that allows us to move our weight around to
Speaker 3: make the putter more forgiving a little bit bigger without
Speaker 3: losing the shape or look of that design. So the
Speaker 3: answert allows us and I think we've on Scott's all
Speaker 3: the putter heads are approximately eleven percent higher and Mali
Speaker 3: because of the answer.
Speaker 4: Allows us to do that.
Speaker 3: It also allows us to really focus and keep our
Speaker 3: CG where we want it, so it helps the player
Speaker 3: perform better for the player.
Speaker 2: Tony, when when somebody comes to the lab and they
Speaker 2: want to get fit for a putter now, and obviously
Speaker 2: Scott Stille's back in the line, how does that conversation
Speaker 2: go in terms of do I go PLD, do I
Speaker 2: go Scott? Still? Is it the type of player you are?
Speaker 2: A skill set? Like? How does that make sense for
Speaker 2: the player coming in?
Speaker 3: I personally think it's more of a personal preference when
Speaker 3: a guy comes in. There's certain players that come in
Speaker 3: that want that milk putter, that really clean look the
Speaker 3: million lines, and then there's another player that comes in
Speaker 3: and wants a softer, filling putter, a little bit bigger,
Speaker 3: more forgiving. So I think it's a personal preference when
Speaker 3: a player comes in and does a fitting, and they'll
Speaker 3: have those options to go back and forth with that.
Speaker 2: Also nine models is that right? I saw that I
Speaker 2: was like nine models, seems like substantial amount of different heads. Yeah,
Speaker 2: in the Scottsdale line.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think back to our original Scotstone. Some of
Speaker 3: the lines we've done in the past, we've had, you know,
Speaker 3: anywhere from eight to ten to twelve models, and it's
Speaker 3: always hard to say what that number is because we
Speaker 3: want to offer as many different putters as you can
Speaker 3: with the different stroke types for different fittings for different players.
Speaker 3: But at the end of the day, we got to
Speaker 3: pick a number and then try and fill those spots
Speaker 3: out with a blade, a midmulet of mallet, and then
Speaker 3: then different stroke types of those putters that help the
Speaker 3: different players.
Speaker 2: Marty, I mean it is interesting, you know, you do
Speaker 2: think about it feels like putters these days, I mean,
Speaker 2: the options are basically unlimited, you know, you think about
Speaker 2: I mean I just went through this a few months ago,
Speaker 2: getting into a PLD and kind of going through some
Speaker 2: of the models a little bit more mallet style, trying
Speaker 2: to go through that. And every time I go through
Speaker 2: a fitting here at Pinging for putters, it feels like
Speaker 2: there's more opportunity and there's more styles out there to
Speaker 2: fit a certain player, and it's like making sure you
Speaker 2: get your hands on the right ones. You don't want
Speaker 2: to have too many, I'm assuming, because you don't want
Speaker 2: to give somebody thirty options, right and then they get
Speaker 2: consumed by that number. But you want to make sure
Speaker 2: that there's some out there to make any player coming
Speaker 2: through comfortable with what they're going to walk away with.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, I think that can be. You know, folks
Speaker 1: can walk into let's say you go to your retail store.
Speaker 1: You know, you go into a putting craal, You got
Speaker 1: all these options, you.
Speaker 4: Know, what do you do?
Speaker 2: So where do you start?
Speaker 4: Where do you start?
Speaker 1: So we've built you know, I know last year when
Speaker 1: we launched the S one fifty nine wedges, we launched
Speaker 1: this really cool tool called webfit Wedge. It takes a
Speaker 1: couple of minutes to go through easy questions to answer.
Speaker 1: We got a QR code out there to go through it.
Speaker 1: We're launching now with the Scottsdale a similar solution called
Speaker 1: webfit Putters, which you go through you answer some very
Speaker 1: basic questions. For example, one of the aspects of getting
Speaker 1: fit for the right putter is do you pull your
Speaker 1: putts or do you push your putts? And we had
Speaker 1: doctor Sasha Mackenzie on we went super deep on the
Speaker 1: science of the kinetics and kinematics here, but on a
Speaker 1: simple level, if you pull your putts and you play
Speaker 1: a more tow down putter or in our vernacular it's
Speaker 1: like strong arc that will deliver the face more open.
Speaker 4: So you go through this very.
Speaker 1: Simple webfit putter app a couple minutes and it narrows
Speaker 1: down your options from nine. It gives you your rank
Speaker 1: order list of two or three interesting that then you
Speaker 1: can go try in the corral. So we've tried to
Speaker 1: really simplify that because we we love having a lot
Speaker 1: of options. It is really hard to narrow down to nine.
Speaker 1: But at the same time then you got to zoom
Speaker 1: zoom consumers in so they aren't confused.
Speaker 2: And Tony, I know crazy is back, which is exciting
Speaker 2: I know for a lot of people kind of within
Speaker 2: the company.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that was brought back by just demand
Speaker 3: we here. I've heard for years just where's the crazy?
Speaker 4: Where's it crazy?
Speaker 3: And we've done different variations of the crazy. Uh, the
Speaker 3: scot silk putter or the crazy that we're coming back
Speaker 3: to is more in line with the original crazy. Size
Speaker 3: and shape. People are very excited about it.
Speaker 4: People have been.
Speaker 3: Waiting for it, and just the feedback from again from
Speaker 3: our reps, consumers, people that come in here into the
Speaker 3: lab are like, hey, do you have a crazy I
Speaker 3: remember had a crazy G two at G five, and
Speaker 3: I think we just decided as a team this it's time.
Speaker 3: It's a good time to bring this back and get
Speaker 3: this back out there. So it's it's a putter that
Speaker 3: has very close ties to Ping.
Speaker 4: It's very it's for us.
Speaker 3: It's a very special design for us. And yeah, it's
Speaker 3: it's the mass properties on that putter are really good
Speaker 3: and we're excited to get it back and get in
Speaker 3: people's hands again.
Speaker 2: Marty, we joked about this when we were talking four forty.
Speaker 2: It's like nothing goes away, really. I mean, you can
Speaker 2: perfect it, you can add you know, modern engineering to it,
Speaker 2: but nothing really goes away at Ping, Like you can
Speaker 2: always bring back some of the stuff that was successful
Speaker 2: ten twenty thirty years ago.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the crazy.
Speaker 1: I have the original G two in my in my
Speaker 1: collection at home in my garage, and I always set
Speaker 1: it down every month I'm out there, certain one for
Speaker 1: a putter, and I see that original one. And now
Speaker 1: with the Scottsdale bringing back the original shaping proportions of
Speaker 1: the original crazy with the new insert. And so Tony,
Speaker 1: I want to talk a little bit more about the insert. Okay,
Speaker 1: it saves weight from the face the average Amalie eleven
Speaker 1: percent higher. Tell us about this feedbacks material because people
Speaker 1: are gonna look at the insert. They're gonna say, hey, okay, great,
Speaker 1: you know face insert, you know, a little bigger potter,
Speaker 1: more forgiving. What is it about this feedbacks material and
Speaker 1: the feedback that we got from both players tour in,
Speaker 1: our players we test with.
Speaker 3: So we've been back to the original scotts So we've
Speaker 3: been always working with a feedbacks material, right. We've tried
Speaker 3: different thickness is, different derometers, we've tried one piece, two piece,
Speaker 3: so we have a lot of experience with it and
Speaker 3: we've done a ton of testing with it. On this
Speaker 3: particular one, we went back to just a single piece
Speaker 3: and the doramas we tried three or four different dramas
Speaker 3: and we've done a lot of testing here with players
Speaker 3: to get feedback on what feels the best, what sounds
Speaker 3: the best, and what rolls the best to them. So
Speaker 3: on this one, it's it's It's one of those things
Speaker 3: where we got to a point where the feedback we
Speaker 3: were getting was so good on this thickness, on this material,
Speaker 3: on this hardness, but even the texture on the face, Yeah,
Speaker 3: is a big part of this. The little details like
Speaker 3: that I think really contribute to how this putter feels, sounds,
Speaker 3: and how the ball comes off the face. I'm very
Speaker 3: excited about this insert, and I think if it's not
Speaker 3: the best innswert we've done in a while here at Ping,
Speaker 3: it's one of the best that we've we've produced. And
Speaker 3: I say that because a lot of testing we've done
Speaker 3: in the feedback we've got is this again, it's a
Speaker 3: little it's a softer feel versus like a PLD, but
Speaker 3: I would say that it's not super soft. It has
Speaker 3: some firmness to it. The sound is great, the feel
Speaker 3: is great, But the best the best thing I would
Speaker 3: say about this is how the ball responds off the face.
Speaker 3: It's very consistent. We focused on the designs to make
Speaker 3: most of these putters full face inserts, so that the
Speaker 3: consistency across the face with this answert and how the
Speaker 3: ball comes off is very good and consistent. The only
Speaker 3: model i'd say that we don't try and do the
Speaker 3: full face answers the D seventy two, and that's because
Speaker 3: the insert is ball with which matches kind of the
Speaker 3: geometry of the head. Broll also allows to keep some
Speaker 3: of that weight on the face out towards the heel
Speaker 3: and toe for forgiveness, Will.
Speaker 2: You see tour players introduce the Scott Still line into
Speaker 2: their bag? Do you feel in twenty twenty five is
Speaker 2: this something that certain players like in terms of an
Speaker 2: insert versus not? I do.
Speaker 4: I do.
Speaker 3: I think even some of our current insert putters that
Speaker 3: are out there, we do see some interest in it.
Speaker 3: And again back to this answer, I feel like this
Speaker 3: censor is going to fit some of our players on
Speaker 3: tour perfectly. I think the size, the shape, the coloring,
Speaker 3: just a whole new look for us with the Scott
Speaker 3: Still line is going to grab a lot of attention
Speaker 3: and I think especially in Japan and our LPGA players
Speaker 3: are really going to be this is going to really
Speaker 3: be good for them.
Speaker 2: And something else Marty with that, I thought, I think
Speaker 2: is really cool that it's the first time that Ping
Speaker 2: has partnered up with Superstroke in terms of a grip
Speaker 2: and really aligns well with the Scottsdale Putters.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think this partnership is new for us. We've
Speaker 3: never done a ton with a superstroke, but we're excited
Speaker 3: to jump in with this grip and work with the superstroke.
Speaker 3: The one thing about the grip I would say that
Speaker 3: really I feel like it's good for this whole putter
Speaker 3: line is that it has the grip tapers down like
Speaker 3: a traditional grip. It has some pistol to it.
Speaker 2: It's kind of like.
Speaker 3: What we like to do with our putter grips and
Speaker 3: how we want to see that design. But also I
Speaker 3: think it brings some really nice shelf appeal. Superstroke is
Speaker 3: a very popular grip out in the industry. We all
Speaker 3: know that, and again this is the first time for
Speaker 3: us going in with them, So we're excited with this
Speaker 3: relationship and we'll kind of see how it shakes out
Speaker 3: as we move forward. But we really feel like this
Speaker 3: grip is going to complete the whole package. So everything
Speaker 3: looks really nice out there. And so part of this
Speaker 3: was when we went into this is we really want
Speaker 3: to differentiate from PLD. We really want to separate those
Speaker 3: two lines where if you walk into a putter crow
Speaker 3: you see the Scott still line the blue and then
Speaker 3: you see the pod stuff. So there is no question
Speaker 3: of what what is, which putter is, which this is
Speaker 3: And that was a big goal for us going into
Speaker 3: this project. It's differentiate between Scottsdale and PLD and this
Speaker 3: grip really helps do that.
Speaker 1: Tony putting is is tough, you know, and sometimes golfers.
Speaker 4: Get a little vulnerable. They get they get they want.
Speaker 1: To seek and try and try new things. Okay, so
Speaker 1: what about golfers, I mean they want to try you know,
Speaker 1: I think we're calling it.
Speaker 4: I think the industry is kind of call it mid.
Speaker 1: Length, you know, the Victor Hoblin style putting where you
Speaker 1: get a longer grip, you grip down on it a
Speaker 1: little bit, you got a little extra weight, or even
Speaker 1: you know Jimmy hard k armlock style. Uh, tell us
Speaker 1: a little bit about this version and what folks can
Speaker 1: do to try, uh, you know, either mid length or armlock.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so the crazy putter. This one thing that's unique
Speaker 3: with the Scott's silene, the crazy putter, that you'll be
Speaker 3: able to get in the standard length or at a
Speaker 3: counterbalance or armlock or mid length mid length. We can
Speaker 3: do that with both so the consumer can get just
Speaker 3: a standard thirty five inch or they can do something
Speaker 3: at thirty eight or thirty seven with this grip. And
Speaker 3: the grip again is the shelf appeal, the colors, the
Speaker 3: whole package that works with the rest of the putter.
Speaker 3: It works with the standard grip. But like Marty said,
Speaker 3: we're trying to venture out a little bit more to
Speaker 3: some of this non traditional these putters, I don't even
Speaker 3: know if they're non traditional anymore, but just trying to
Speaker 3: get out with that counterbouance, the armlock and even start.
Speaker 3: We're doing more and more work with the long putters too.
Speaker 2: I don't see a pepper on this at cover. What's
Speaker 2: going on, Tony? Come on, man? I thought the pepper
Speaker 2: was like, was your calling card? Right? Like the wet
Speaker 2: bandits putting the things in the sink, Like, where's the pepper?
Speaker 2: We got to get one on there. We could work
Speaker 2: on that perfect perfect. I got to make sure your
Speaker 2: signature's on.
Speaker 1: Besides the crazy coming back, what's your personal favorite model
Speaker 1: of the of all the models here in Scottsdale.
Speaker 3: I think the.
Speaker 4: Man there's so.
Speaker 3: I gotta go crazy. Really, it's just I mean, it's
Speaker 3: been around so long, and just it was nice to
Speaker 3: bring it back and just work with it again and
Speaker 3: just again dive into those numbers and MOI and what
Speaker 3: that putter does, how well performs the forgiveness of it,
Speaker 3: and just to look, it's very unique. It's very close
Speaker 3: to ping. So that I think was.
Speaker 1: One of the secrets of the crazy is a very
Speaker 1: low center gravity, right, so the lower the CG. You've
Speaker 1: seen this theme in the G four to forty line,
Speaker 1: now you're seeing it here in Scottsdale. Low center of gravity.
Speaker 1: That's a big part that makes it feel feel good
Speaker 1: off the face. Tony, what about the B sixty three?
Speaker 1: Tell us a little story about the B sixty three.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so the B sixty is well again another iconic
Speaker 3: putter with ping. We've done this putter for a long time.
Speaker 3: It's very close and special to us. On this particular design,
Speaker 3: we were working with a couple of players in Japan,
Speaker 3: but also Billy horseshow at the time was interested in
Speaker 3: the B sixty, but he was looking for something with
Speaker 3: that mid slint hozzle. I personally think that that geometrail
Speaker 3: of the of the B sixties, it's a lot of
Speaker 3: round corners and edges and softness. It's not a lot
Speaker 3: of hard edges on it. So I think that putter
Speaker 3: fits that design perfectly because it's it's a mid slant.
Speaker 3: It kind of flows into the head and the whole
Speaker 3: head kind of flows all together. But it was it
Speaker 3: was originally working with some players to see a B
Speaker 3: sixty with a different towdown angle and with that type
Speaker 3: of a look.
Speaker 4: So that's strong arc.
Speaker 3: It's it's a slight slid slide sixty three slid, yeah,
Speaker 3: and the B sixties usually around thirty degrees, and then
Speaker 3: this one has a little bit more toe hang soka.
Speaker 3: But I think more importantly, I think just that hozzle
Speaker 3: fits the geometrail of that head. Again, was kind of
Speaker 3: a tour inspired.
Speaker 4: To do that.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's one of my favorite parts. I mean,
Speaker 2: golf clubs are golf clubs, and I know that they are,
Speaker 2: you know, years in the making in terms of how
Speaker 2: they're produced, but I feel like in terms of the
Speaker 2: golf clubs that are unique or new models, it feels
Speaker 2: like the Potter more than anything, can be inspired by
Speaker 2: tour players coming to you guys and saying, can I
Speaker 2: see this? Can you guys adjust this?
Speaker 4: Then?
Speaker 2: All of a sudden, they become the putter that people
Speaker 2: can buy. I just think that's so cool and it's
Speaker 2: such a cool story to tea.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think that's one of the things of
Speaker 3: my job I really enjoy, is like you can go
Speaker 3: out with players that Oh I remember I had that
Speaker 3: putter in my garage. I remember my dad played this putter.
Speaker 3: I really like that putter. But man, I'd really like
Speaker 3: to see what would look like with this right that,
Speaker 3: or something that fits my stroke type better. What can
Speaker 3: I do to get this model to fit me better?
Speaker 3: So that helps us as a company, as in designing putters,
Speaker 3: is to come up with new stuff, maybe a little
Speaker 3: spin on something old, but we're always looking to make
Speaker 3: that better if we can improve on something we've done before.
Speaker 2: I mean, Tony, those are these like email like let's
Speaker 2: let's go through the Billy Horsell story, or these emails
Speaker 2: or these conversations. Are these him coming in and showing
Speaker 2: you what he likes, Like, how does that process work?
Speaker 2: From Hey, I'm a top twenty player in the world.
Speaker 2: I've got some ideas to Oh, Now, all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: it's one of the nine models that we're offering. In
Speaker 2: the Scott Still line.
Speaker 3: I would say it's a little bit of both. It's direct,
Speaker 3: you know, emails or text from a player that wants
Speaker 3: to see something, and a lot of times I think
Speaker 3: we talked about this before. It could be me doing
Speaker 3: some some CAD work and sending them four or five
Speaker 3: or different looks and they say, hey, pick your top three,
Speaker 3: and we just kind of narrow down to a look
Speaker 3: that they like on the screen. And then the next
Speaker 3: thing for me is I print something out on our
Speaker 3: three D printer and then go out on tour and
Speaker 3: take it out and have them actually set it down
Speaker 3: behind a ball and see if they like that, they
Speaker 3: like or don't like whatever. We just go through that
Speaker 3: process a few times before we actually start cutting apart.
Speaker 3: But yeah, a lot of Billy was mostly like sometimes
Speaker 3: to suit their asients. It's through our reps. It's he's
Speaker 3: been in here several times and just sitting down talking
Speaker 3: about stuff in the past. Maybe he's played with us
Speaker 3: that he's had success with and just kind of kind
Speaker 3: of revisiting some of that stuff.
Speaker 1: He's used our feedbacks answer a lot. He's a big
Speaker 1: fan from a sound and field standpoint.
Speaker 3: He's been in our putter for a couple of years
Speaker 3: now with the same type of materials, the same type of.
Speaker 1: I got another one, Shane that we had on the
Speaker 1: Pod last year. Matt McCarty right, Tyne, he's playing a
Speaker 1: time center shafted. So tell us about the primetime see
Speaker 1: in this family yep.
Speaker 3: So the primetime putter has been really good for us.
Speaker 3: It's it's very popular. A lot of times when we
Speaker 3: set out to say, hey, we're gonna do nine models,
Speaker 3: they will review it with a team. A lot of
Speaker 3: times we just get this feedback from our sales teams.
Speaker 2: You have to have a time putter.
Speaker 3: It just does really well for us. A center shaft
Speaker 3: putter with the time just seemed like a really good mix.
Speaker 3: We've done some of that with Pod, with some of
Speaker 3: that with with Matt. We've done some of that work
Speaker 3: on tour. So we know that that model, it's a
Speaker 3: symmetric design and that hozzle. The hozzle is another thing
Speaker 3: that's new, not new, but we've gone back to putting
Speaker 3: the little stem on top of that, which it's interesting
Speaker 3: a lot of players is like if you show them
Speaker 3: both one where the chef just goes directly into the head.
Speaker 3: One with the stem. A lot of guys will look
Speaker 3: down and like they can't really tell you what's different,
Speaker 3: but they know they like that one, which is the stem.
Speaker 2: Interesting.
Speaker 3: So some of that feedback. H Mackenzie Hughes is a
Speaker 3: big proponent of that, right, and some of the guys
Speaker 3: that played center shaft for a long time always go
Speaker 3: back to, hey man, that stem, it just looks different,
Speaker 3: it looks better. So based on that feedback, went back
Speaker 3: and added that to that.
Speaker 1: That's one of that might be arguing my favorite little
Speaker 1: piece in detail. The Scottsdale family is the primetime see
Speaker 1: and that little stem, it just it cleans it up.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: And I think we can tell Matt McCarty maybe he's
Speaker 1: grew up in Scottsdale. Maybe this family well, I mean,
Speaker 1: winning like he's been doing in twenty four it might
Speaker 1: be something smart to do.
Speaker 2: I mean, the guy, you know, you think about that too.
Speaker 2: I mean it's just so interesting. You talk about the
Speaker 2: progressions of a professional golfer and if you're Matt McCarty,
Speaker 2: you go from you know, I'm playing corn Ferry Tour
Speaker 2: golf too, I'm having some success on corn Ferry Tour
Speaker 2: Golf to now I'm winning on the court to down
Speaker 2: one on the PGA Tour, and now I'm an influence
Speaker 2: on a whole line of putters. I mean, it is
Speaker 2: a cool part of the progression of pro golf is
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, Ping has obviously been interested in you,
Speaker 2: but now we're listening to what you're saying because you
Speaker 2: now become one of the best golfers in the world. Well, Tony,
Speaker 2: we always appreciate the time. We always appreciate chatt uh putters.
Speaker 2: I know you're excited about the Scottsdale line, and I
Speaker 2: know we always push people to get fit for putters.
Speaker 2: I'm assuming that's a big part of this as well.
Speaker 2: Make sure you go through the web tool and make
Speaker 2: sure you get fit for one of these models, because
Speaker 2: as we said, there are nine there.
Speaker 3: We work closely with Marty and his group and when
Speaker 3: we go in I keep going back to when we
Speaker 3: pick our models. A big part of that is we
Speaker 3: work with Marty and his team is making sure we
Speaker 3: have the different stroke types and different putters for all
Speaker 3: different golfers and different strokes that we have. A guy
Speaker 3: can go and get fit and figure out there's two
Speaker 3: or three models that will fit his stroke type. So
Speaker 3: it's important, I know for Marty and for our team
Speaker 3: is to make sure we're bring all the different types
Speaker 3: of putters and stroke types.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're in this interesting era, Shane, where you know
Speaker 1: you've seen a lot of the market try these heel
Speaker 1: shafted deep CG putters. You have to have a lot
Speaker 1: of torque, and I've played with a lot of people,
Speaker 1: so both the theory of it and anecdotally, a lot
Speaker 1: of people miss those putters to the right. Then we've
Speaker 1: seen some players try these center shafted putters. Have a
Speaker 1: little different design philosophy. Everyone's missing those to the left.
Speaker 1: The right answer is in putters is that you need
Speaker 1: to match, You need to fit how you apply force
Speaker 1: and torque to the putter, to the putter itself. And
Speaker 1: we have a kind of a simplified strategy on that. Now,
Speaker 1: if you pull your putts, play more totem putter, push
Speaker 1: your putts, play more face balance putter, we can we
Speaker 1: can really simplify that. So if folks want to go
Speaker 1: to go out and try our our webfit tool, go
Speaker 1: to putter dop webfit dot ping dot com. Only takes
Speaker 1: a couple of minutes, great way to kind of get
Speaker 1: to know the whole Scottsdale family and our pod family too.
Speaker 2: It might take longer to like type that into your browser.
Speaker 2: Actually did do exactly, Tony. We appreciate the time. Is
Speaker 2: always excited about the Scottsdale line. This is the thing
Speaker 2: Forking Ground's podcast. Mm hmmmm hmm