WEBVTT - Episode 67: Scottsdale Putters 0:00:00.320 --> 0:00:02.320 The guys from paying They've kind of showed me how 0:00:02.400 --> 0:00:03.840 much the equipment matters. 0:00:04.080 --> 0:00:05.760 I just love that I can hit any shot. 0:00:05.840 --> 0:00:07.440 I kind of want we're gonna be able to tell 0:00:07.480 --> 0:00:09.480 some fun stories about what goes on here to help 0:00:09.520 --> 0:00:10.600 golfers play better golf. 0:00:11.400 --> 0:00:13.680 Hey, everybody, welcome back to the Ping prooven Grounds podcast. 0:00:13.720 --> 0:00:16.120 I'm Shane Bak and joined as always by Marty Jertsen. 0:00:16.200 --> 0:00:18.680 Tony Serrano is back on the pod. Been a minute 0:00:18.680 --> 0:00:21.080 since we've chat. It'd been a minute since the Scott 0:00:21.120 --> 0:00:24.680 Stills putters were a part of the new launch of 0:00:24.800 --> 0:00:27.560 Ping golf Clubs. I know that's exciting for twenty twenty five, right, 0:00:28.120 --> 0:00:29.480 It's been quite. 0:00:29.240 --> 0:00:31.240 A few years now since we've done a scuts Sell 0:00:31.320 --> 0:00:34.279 putter back. I think it's about ten years or so. 0:00:34.320 --> 0:00:35.839 We did a Scott Still, then we followed up with 0:00:35.840 --> 0:00:36.640 a Scott Still tier. 0:00:37.120 --> 0:00:38.839 Yeah, I've had one for a long time already. I 0:00:38.880 --> 0:00:40.159 remember I had the Scott Stale in the bag for 0:00:40.200 --> 0:00:42.960 a long time, kind of answer style and it you 0:00:42.960 --> 0:00:46.080 remember the adjustable shafts, remember that run back in the day. 0:00:46.560 --> 0:00:48.320 I had that thing in there forever. I mean, I 0:00:48.360 --> 0:00:50.320 think I probably played my Scott Still I think it 0:00:50.400 --> 0:00:52.720 might have been the original run of them had in 0:00:52.720 --> 0:00:54.320 the bag for four or five years, so I was 0:00:54.360 --> 0:00:55.880 excited to hear the returns here. 0:00:56.200 --> 0:00:58.960 Yeah, I think this family has some similarities. I mean, 0:00:59.000 --> 0:01:01.200 one thing, back when the way we did Scott Stale 0:01:01.200 --> 0:01:03.760 ten years ago had that red color kind of master G. 0:01:03.760 --> 0:01:05.520 Fifteen and things of that nature. 0:01:05.600 --> 0:01:08.280 Here, you're going to see Scott our new Scottsdale family 0:01:08.959 --> 0:01:11.399 have a color tie, a brand tie, that. 0:01:11.520 --> 0:01:13.839 Psychological tie to our G four forty yep. 0:01:13.959 --> 0:01:16.800 Right, So Tony talked a little bit about just the 0:01:16.880 --> 0:01:18.200 name Scottsdale, like what is it? 0:01:18.240 --> 0:01:19.320 What does it mean to the company. 0:01:19.440 --> 0:01:22.840 Yeah, So I think over the last few years our 0:01:22.959 --> 0:01:25.479 naming of our putters, we've done a few different things 0:01:25.480 --> 0:01:27.880 and tried some different stuff. Some of the feedback we've 0:01:27.920 --> 0:01:30.959 had had from our sales reps and accounts is like, 0:01:31.760 --> 0:01:34.039 can't we get back to a name of this line 0:01:34.040 --> 0:01:36.200 of putters and what how that works? It keeps a 0:01:36.280 --> 0:01:40.120 lot cleaner, a lot easier to understand. So we went 0:01:40.160 --> 0:01:42.039 to John k and said, Hey, this is something we'd 0:01:42.080 --> 0:01:44.280 like to do. He was open to it, asked for 0:01:44.400 --> 0:01:47.800 some suggestions of names. The list was very short, right, 0:01:48.240 --> 0:01:49.880 So we went back to him. We talked a little 0:01:49.880 --> 0:01:52.280 bit to John K about the names and what they 0:01:52.320 --> 0:01:55.400 meant to PING and Scottsdale stood out. And the reason 0:01:55.400 --> 0:01:57.080 they stood out was a few reasons. It's one that 0:01:57.160 --> 0:01:59.240 you just talked about is we had a line of 0:01:59.240 --> 0:02:01.400 putters before that. It was very successful for us, and 0:02:01.440 --> 0:02:03.080 we had a really good run with those lines with 0:02:03.160 --> 0:02:07.000 that line of putters. But also it's just Scottsdale in general. 0:02:07.120 --> 0:02:10.840 It's a golf haven's. We had the scott Stale putter 0:02:10.919 --> 0:02:15.000 that had the peel box or address in the backs 0:02:15.000 --> 0:02:17.079 that it's a little bit of a tie there. And 0:02:17.400 --> 0:02:21.000 and then just overall, I think where pings at and Scottsdale, 0:02:21.520 --> 0:02:24.440 the golfing, the waste management, all that stuff just kind 0:02:24.440 --> 0:02:26.800 of made sense. So that's John K was good with that, 0:02:26.840 --> 0:02:29.000 and we jumped on that name and are moving forward 0:02:29.000 --> 0:02:29.200 with it. 0:02:29.480 --> 0:02:33.200 Yeah, So Scottsdale family. So we have pld's this is 0:02:33.280 --> 0:02:37.720 kind of the meticulously milled putters, customized things of that 0:02:37.800 --> 0:02:41.600 nature that's doing quite well for us. What is the 0:02:41.639 --> 0:02:45.519 big differentiator between PLD in this Scottsdale family. 0:02:45.600 --> 0:02:48.480 Good question. So, the like you said, the PLD is 0:02:48.520 --> 0:02:52.160 a very high precision mill part that we started out 0:02:52.240 --> 0:02:55.040 a block and we machine the whole. All those putters 0:02:55.080 --> 0:02:59.400 are machined and their tolerances are extremely tight, but there's 0:02:59.480 --> 0:03:01.639 there's no one. It's for the player that likes a 0:03:01.680 --> 0:03:05.560 little bit more of a firmer fiel off the face. 0:03:05.639 --> 0:03:07.399 But even with our scots that we offer a couple 0:03:07.480 --> 0:03:11.320 different levels of firmness. I would say our deep mill 0:03:11.480 --> 0:03:14.480 on the pold is probably the softest one for a 0:03:14.480 --> 0:03:17.280 milk putter, and I would say in the Scotstone. Now 0:03:17.320 --> 0:03:20.320 with this answert, it's the next step in that direction 0:03:20.440 --> 0:03:25.240 of a softer feeling face. So that's the biggest difference. 0:03:25.280 --> 0:03:28.919 But I will jump into taking an answert and putting 0:03:28.919 --> 0:03:30.359 it into a putter that allows you to do a 0:03:30.360 --> 0:03:34.040 few things with your designs. YEA One is if you 0:03:34.080 --> 0:03:38.760 imagine taking a solid face putter and you're taking this 0:03:38.840 --> 0:03:41.240 much material out, but you're taking forty or fifty grams 0:03:41.280 --> 0:03:43.520 out right and you're putting ten back in, so you 0:03:43.560 --> 0:03:47.640 have forty issue grams of discretionary weight to work with. 0:03:47.840 --> 0:03:50.680 So that allows us to move our weight around to 0:03:50.680 --> 0:03:53.720 make the putter more forgiving a little bit bigger without 0:03:53.760 --> 0:03:57.840 losing the shape or look of that design. So the 0:03:57.880 --> 0:04:00.720 answert allows us and I think we've on Scott's all 0:04:00.760 --> 0:04:04.520 the putter heads are approximately eleven percent higher and Mali 0:04:05.040 --> 0:04:06.080 because of the answer. 0:04:05.800 --> 0:04:06.680 Allows us to do that. 0:04:06.920 --> 0:04:08.960 It also allows us to really focus and keep our 0:04:08.960 --> 0:04:12.480 CG where we want it, so it helps the player 0:04:12.720 --> 0:04:14.279 perform better for the player. 0:04:14.560 --> 0:04:16.240 Tony, when when somebody comes to the lab and they 0:04:16.240 --> 0:04:17.800 want to get fit for a putter now, and obviously 0:04:17.839 --> 0:04:21.760 Scott Stille's back in the line, how does that conversation 0:04:21.960 --> 0:04:25.000 go in terms of do I go PLD, do I 0:04:25.040 --> 0:04:27.760 go Scott? Still? Is it the type of player you are? 0:04:27.800 --> 0:04:29.880 A skill set? Like? How does that make sense for 0:04:29.920 --> 0:04:30.720 the player coming in? 0:04:31.040 --> 0:04:34.400 I personally think it's more of a personal preference when 0:04:34.400 --> 0:04:36.320 a guy comes in. There's certain players that come in 0:04:36.400 --> 0:04:40.120 that want that milk putter, that really clean look the 0:04:40.120 --> 0:04:43.159 million lines, and then there's another player that comes in 0:04:43.160 --> 0:04:45.239 and wants a softer, filling putter, a little bit bigger, 0:04:45.279 --> 0:04:49.160 more forgiving. So I think it's a personal preference when 0:04:49.200 --> 0:04:51.159 a player comes in and does a fitting, and they'll 0:04:51.200 --> 0:04:53.159 have those options to go back and forth with that. 0:04:53.560 --> 0:04:56.640 Also nine models is that right? I saw that I 0:04:56.680 --> 0:05:00.320 was like nine models, seems like substantial amount of different heads. Yeah, 0:05:00.320 --> 0:05:01.240 in the Scottsdale line. 0:05:01.320 --> 0:05:04.280 Yeah, I think back to our original Scotstone. Some of 0:05:04.320 --> 0:05:06.479 the lines we've done in the past, we've had, you know, 0:05:06.480 --> 0:05:09.560 anywhere from eight to ten to twelve models, and it's 0:05:09.560 --> 0:05:12.240 always hard to say what that number is because we 0:05:12.279 --> 0:05:14.920 want to offer as many different putters as you can 0:05:15.000 --> 0:05:17.760 with the different stroke types for different fittings for different players. 0:05:17.839 --> 0:05:20.040 But at the end of the day, we got to 0:05:20.080 --> 0:05:22.320 pick a number and then try and fill those spots 0:05:22.320 --> 0:05:25.120 out with a blade, a midmulet of mallet, and then 0:05:25.120 --> 0:05:27.400 then different stroke types of those putters that help the 0:05:27.440 --> 0:05:28.160 different players. 0:05:28.400 --> 0:05:30.039 Marty, I mean it is interesting, you know, you do 0:05:30.120 --> 0:05:32.920 think about it feels like putters these days, I mean, 0:05:32.960 --> 0:05:35.440 the options are basically unlimited, you know, you think about 0:05:35.760 --> 0:05:37.760 I mean I just went through this a few months ago, 0:05:37.839 --> 0:05:40.720 getting into a PLD and kind of going through some 0:05:40.760 --> 0:05:42.760 of the models a little bit more mallet style, trying 0:05:42.760 --> 0:05:44.840 to go through that. And every time I go through 0:05:44.880 --> 0:05:46.640 a fitting here at Pinging for putters, it feels like 0:05:46.680 --> 0:05:49.359 there's more opportunity and there's more styles out there to 0:05:49.400 --> 0:05:51.200 fit a certain player, and it's like making sure you 0:05:51.200 --> 0:05:52.960 get your hands on the right ones. You don't want 0:05:52.960 --> 0:05:54.520 to have too many, I'm assuming, because you don't want 0:05:54.520 --> 0:05:56.600 to give somebody thirty options, right and then they get 0:05:56.800 --> 0:05:58.640 consumed by that number. But you want to make sure 0:05:58.680 --> 0:06:01.039 that there's some out there to make any player coming 0:06:01.080 --> 0:06:02.760 through comfortable with what they're going to walk away with. 0:06:03.040 --> 0:06:05.920 Yeah, absolutely, I think that can be. You know, folks 0:06:05.920 --> 0:06:09.400 can walk into let's say you go to your retail store. 0:06:09.520 --> 0:06:12.480 You know, you go into a putting craal, You got 0:06:12.520 --> 0:06:13.480 all these options, you. 0:06:13.440 --> 0:06:14.200 Know, what do you do? 0:06:14.720 --> 0:06:15.680 So where do you start? 0:06:15.720 --> 0:06:16.640 Where do you start? 0:06:17.200 --> 0:06:20.120 So we've built you know, I know last year when 0:06:20.160 --> 0:06:22.559 we launched the S one fifty nine wedges, we launched 0:06:22.600 --> 0:06:25.279 this really cool tool called webfit Wedge. It takes a 0:06:25.320 --> 0:06:28.120 couple of minutes to go through easy questions to answer. 0:06:28.160 --> 0:06:30.240 We got a QR code out there to go through it. 0:06:31.160 --> 0:06:34.920 We're launching now with the Scottsdale a similar solution called 0:06:35.000 --> 0:06:38.560 webfit Putters, which you go through you answer some very 0:06:38.600 --> 0:06:41.919 basic questions. For example, one of the aspects of getting 0:06:41.920 --> 0:06:43.880 fit for the right putter is do you pull your 0:06:43.920 --> 0:06:46.920 putts or do you push your putts? And we had 0:06:47.040 --> 0:06:49.520 doctor Sasha Mackenzie on we went super deep on the 0:06:49.560 --> 0:06:52.960 science of the kinetics and kinematics here, but on a 0:06:53.000 --> 0:06:56.400 simple level, if you pull your putts and you play 0:06:56.440 --> 0:07:00.160 a more tow down putter or in our vernacular it's 0:07:00.160 --> 0:07:03.279 like strong arc that will deliver the face more open. 0:07:03.480 --> 0:07:04.760 So you go through this very. 0:07:04.640 --> 0:07:08.280 Simple webfit putter app a couple minutes and it narrows 0:07:08.320 --> 0:07:11.160 down your options from nine. It gives you your rank 0:07:11.280 --> 0:07:13.640 order list of two or three interesting that then you 0:07:13.680 --> 0:07:15.720 can go try in the corral. So we've tried to 0:07:15.720 --> 0:07:18.960 really simplify that because we we love having a lot 0:07:18.960 --> 0:07:21.160 of options. It is really hard to narrow down to nine. 0:07:21.400 --> 0:07:23.040 But at the same time then you got to zoom 0:07:23.160 --> 0:07:25.160 zoom consumers in so they aren't confused. 0:07:25.560 --> 0:07:28.480 And Tony, I know crazy is back, which is exciting 0:07:28.520 --> 0:07:30.160 I know for a lot of people kind of within 0:07:30.200 --> 0:07:30.720 the company. 0:07:30.680 --> 0:07:34.720 Yeah, I think that was brought back by just demand 0:07:34.920 --> 0:07:37.760 we here. I've heard for years just where's the crazy? 0:07:37.760 --> 0:07:38.520 Where's it crazy? 0:07:38.800 --> 0:07:42.080 And we've done different variations of the crazy. Uh, the 0:07:42.120 --> 0:07:44.600 scot silk putter or the crazy that we're coming back 0:07:44.600 --> 0:07:48.520 to is more in line with the original crazy. Size 0:07:48.520 --> 0:07:50.920 and shape. People are very excited about it. 0:07:51.040 --> 0:07:51.680 People have been. 0:07:51.600 --> 0:07:55.080 Waiting for it, and just the feedback from again from 0:07:55.080 --> 0:07:57.640 our reps, consumers, people that come in here into the 0:07:57.720 --> 0:07:59.560 lab are like, hey, do you have a crazy I 0:07:59.600 --> 0:08:02.360 remember had a crazy G two at G five, and 0:08:03.480 --> 0:08:05.560 I think we just decided as a team this it's time. 0:08:05.600 --> 0:08:07.680 It's a good time to bring this back and get 0:08:07.720 --> 0:08:09.920 this back out there. So it's it's a putter that 0:08:09.960 --> 0:08:11.280 has very close ties to Ping. 0:08:11.320 --> 0:08:12.880 It's very it's for us. 0:08:12.880 --> 0:08:17.400 It's a very special design for us. And yeah, it's 0:08:17.440 --> 0:08:21.040 it's the mass properties on that putter are really good 0:08:21.360 --> 0:08:23.680 and we're excited to get it back and get in 0:08:23.680 --> 0:08:24.559 people's hands again. 0:08:24.680 --> 0:08:27.360 Marty, we joked about this when we were talking four forty. 0:08:27.400 --> 0:08:30.240 It's like nothing goes away, really. I mean, you can 0:08:30.320 --> 0:08:33.320 perfect it, you can add you know, modern engineering to it, 0:08:33.360 --> 0:08:35.319 but nothing really goes away at Ping, Like you can 0:08:35.400 --> 0:08:38.160 always bring back some of the stuff that was successful 0:08:38.160 --> 0:08:39.360 ten twenty thirty years ago. 0:08:39.760 --> 0:08:40.559 Yeah, the crazy. 0:08:40.760 --> 0:08:43.400 I have the original G two in my in my 0:08:43.760 --> 0:08:45.840 collection at home in my garage, and I always set 0:08:45.840 --> 0:08:48.000 it down every month I'm out there, certain one for 0:08:48.080 --> 0:08:50.959 a putter, and I see that original one. And now 0:08:51.000 --> 0:08:55.040 with the Scottsdale bringing back the original shaping proportions of 0:08:55.040 --> 0:09:00.600 the original crazy with the new insert. And so Tony, 0:09:00.640 --> 0:09:03.120 I want to talk a little bit more about the insert. Okay, 0:09:03.400 --> 0:09:06.920 it saves weight from the face the average Amalie eleven 0:09:07.000 --> 0:09:11.080 percent higher. Tell us about this feedbacks material because people 0:09:11.080 --> 0:09:13.400 are gonna look at the insert. They're gonna say, hey, okay, great, 0:09:13.640 --> 0:09:16.040 you know face insert, you know, a little bigger potter, 0:09:16.120 --> 0:09:19.520 more forgiving. What is it about this feedbacks material and 0:09:19.559 --> 0:09:23.320 the feedback that we got from both players tour in, 0:09:23.360 --> 0:09:24.360 our players we test with. 0:09:24.520 --> 0:09:26.720 So we've been back to the original scotts So we've 0:09:26.720 --> 0:09:30.800 been always working with a feedbacks material, right. We've tried 0:09:30.840 --> 0:09:35.360 different thickness is, different derometers, we've tried one piece, two piece, 0:09:36.840 --> 0:09:38.959 so we have a lot of experience with it and 0:09:39.000 --> 0:09:41.080 we've done a ton of testing with it. On this 0:09:41.120 --> 0:09:43.520 particular one, we went back to just a single piece 0:09:43.800 --> 0:09:46.959 and the doramas we tried three or four different dramas 0:09:46.960 --> 0:09:49.400 and we've done a lot of testing here with players 0:09:49.400 --> 0:09:51.520 to get feedback on what feels the best, what sounds 0:09:51.559 --> 0:09:55.600 the best, and what rolls the best to them. So 0:09:55.840 --> 0:09:59.040 on this one, it's it's It's one of those things 0:09:59.040 --> 0:10:02.040 where we got to a point where the feedback we 0:10:02.040 --> 0:10:06.280 were getting was so good on this thickness, on this material, 0:10:06.360 --> 0:10:10.000 on this hardness, but even the texture on the face, Yeah, 0:10:10.200 --> 0:10:12.000 is a big part of this. The little details like 0:10:12.000 --> 0:10:15.080 that I think really contribute to how this putter feels, sounds, 0:10:15.080 --> 0:10:17.440 and how the ball comes off the face. I'm very 0:10:17.480 --> 0:10:20.800 excited about this insert, and I think if it's not 0:10:21.840 --> 0:10:24.040 the best innswert we've done in a while here at Ping, 0:10:24.040 --> 0:10:26.800 it's one of the best that we've we've produced. And 0:10:27.200 --> 0:10:29.559 I say that because a lot of testing we've done 0:10:29.600 --> 0:10:32.880 in the feedback we've got is this again, it's a 0:10:32.880 --> 0:10:36.160 little it's a softer feel versus like a PLD, but 0:10:36.440 --> 0:10:39.680 I would say that it's not super soft. It has 0:10:39.720 --> 0:10:42.839 some firmness to it. The sound is great, the feel 0:10:42.920 --> 0:10:45.040 is great, But the best the best thing I would 0:10:45.040 --> 0:10:47.199 say about this is how the ball responds off the face. 0:10:47.480 --> 0:10:51.240 It's very consistent. We focused on the designs to make 0:10:51.760 --> 0:10:55.680 most of these putters full face inserts, so that the 0:10:55.760 --> 0:10:58.680 consistency across the face with this answert and how the 0:10:58.720 --> 0:11:02.960 ball comes off is very good and consistent. The only 0:11:03.000 --> 0:11:05.000 model i'd say that we don't try and do the 0:11:05.000 --> 0:11:07.920 full face answers the D seventy two, and that's because 0:11:08.200 --> 0:11:11.040 the insert is ball with which matches kind of the 0:11:11.040 --> 0:11:13.880 geometry of the head. Broll also allows to keep some 0:11:13.920 --> 0:11:15.520 of that weight on the face out towards the heel 0:11:15.559 --> 0:11:17.199 and toe for forgiveness, Will. 0:11:17.040 --> 0:11:19.600 You see tour players introduce the Scott Still line into 0:11:19.640 --> 0:11:21.680 their bag? Do you feel in twenty twenty five is 0:11:21.720 --> 0:11:24.360 this something that certain players like in terms of an 0:11:24.400 --> 0:11:26.079 insert versus not? I do. 0:11:26.360 --> 0:11:26.560 I do. 0:11:26.720 --> 0:11:29.920 I think even some of our current insert putters that 0:11:29.960 --> 0:11:31.880 are out there, we do see some interest in it. 0:11:32.840 --> 0:11:34.360 And again back to this answer, I feel like this 0:11:34.480 --> 0:11:36.440 censor is going to fit some of our players on 0:11:36.520 --> 0:11:40.160 tour perfectly. I think the size, the shape, the coloring, 0:11:40.520 --> 0:11:42.360 just a whole new look for us with the Scott 0:11:42.440 --> 0:11:44.520 Still line is going to grab a lot of attention 0:11:45.080 --> 0:11:50.079 and I think especially in Japan and our LPGA players 0:11:50.120 --> 0:11:52.160 are really going to be this is going to really 0:11:52.160 --> 0:11:52.840 be good for them. 0:11:53.320 --> 0:11:55.040 And something else Marty with that, I thought, I think 0:11:55.160 --> 0:11:57.240 is really cool that it's the first time that Ping 0:11:57.280 --> 0:11:59.800 has partnered up with Superstroke in terms of a grip 0:11:59.840 --> 0:12:02.120 and really aligns well with the Scottsdale Putters. 0:12:02.720 --> 0:12:05.240 Yeah, I think this partnership is new for us. We've 0:12:05.280 --> 0:12:09.280 never done a ton with a superstroke, but we're excited 0:12:09.320 --> 0:12:13.040 to jump in with this grip and work with the superstroke. 0:12:13.760 --> 0:12:15.480 The one thing about the grip I would say that 0:12:16.880 --> 0:12:21.800 really I feel like it's good for this whole putter 0:12:21.880 --> 0:12:25.760 line is that it has the grip tapers down like 0:12:25.800 --> 0:12:28.640 a traditional grip. It has some pistol to it. 0:12:28.640 --> 0:12:29.319 It's kind of like. 0:12:29.440 --> 0:12:31.160 What we like to do with our putter grips and 0:12:31.200 --> 0:12:33.920 how we want to see that design. But also I 0:12:33.920 --> 0:12:37.160 think it brings some really nice shelf appeal. Superstroke is 0:12:37.120 --> 0:12:39.520 a very popular grip out in the industry. We all 0:12:39.559 --> 0:12:42.400 know that, and again this is the first time for 0:12:42.480 --> 0:12:45.160 us going in with them, So we're excited with this 0:12:45.200 --> 0:12:48.240 relationship and we'll kind of see how it shakes out 0:12:48.280 --> 0:12:51.120 as we move forward. But we really feel like this 0:12:51.800 --> 0:12:54.079 grip is going to complete the whole package. So everything 0:12:54.120 --> 0:12:56.880 looks really nice out there. And so part of this 0:12:57.040 --> 0:12:59.400 was when we went into this is we really want 0:12:59.440 --> 0:13:02.199 to differentiate from PLD. We really want to separate those 0:13:02.200 --> 0:13:04.120 two lines where if you walk into a putter crow 0:13:04.760 --> 0:13:07.400 you see the Scott still line the blue and then 0:13:07.440 --> 0:13:09.440 you see the pod stuff. So there is no question 0:13:09.480 --> 0:13:12.120 of what what is, which putter is, which this is 0:13:12.360 --> 0:13:13.880 And that was a big goal for us going into 0:13:13.960 --> 0:13:17.480 this project. It's differentiate between Scottsdale and PLD and this 0:13:17.559 --> 0:13:18.800 grip really helps do that. 0:13:19.720 --> 0:13:24.240 Tony putting is is tough, you know, and sometimes golfers. 0:13:23.800 --> 0:13:26.080 Get a little vulnerable. They get they get they want. 0:13:25.960 --> 0:13:28.880 To seek and try and try new things. Okay, so 0:13:29.000 --> 0:13:31.800 what about golfers, I mean they want to try you know, 0:13:31.920 --> 0:13:32.640 I think we're calling it. 0:13:32.679 --> 0:13:34.400 I think the industry is kind of call it mid. 0:13:34.320 --> 0:13:37.360 Length, you know, the Victor Hoblin style putting where you 0:13:37.360 --> 0:13:39.360 get a longer grip, you grip down on it a 0:13:39.360 --> 0:13:43.360 little bit, you got a little extra weight, or even 0:13:44.160 --> 0:13:47.920 you know Jimmy hard k armlock style. Uh, tell us 0:13:47.920 --> 0:13:49.800 a little bit about this version and what folks can 0:13:49.840 --> 0:13:52.920 do to try, uh, you know, either mid length or armlock. 0:13:53.040 --> 0:13:56.280 Yeah, so the crazy putter. This one thing that's unique 0:13:56.320 --> 0:13:58.960 with the Scott's silene, the crazy putter, that you'll be 0:13:58.960 --> 0:14:00.840 able to get in the standard length or at a 0:14:00.880 --> 0:14:05.880 counterbalance or armlock or mid length mid length. We can 0:14:05.920 --> 0:14:08.200 do that with both so the consumer can get just 0:14:08.240 --> 0:14:10.560 a standard thirty five inch or they can do something 0:14:10.559 --> 0:14:13.120 at thirty eight or thirty seven with this grip. And 0:14:13.160 --> 0:14:16.160 the grip again is the shelf appeal, the colors, the 0:14:16.200 --> 0:14:18.520 whole package that works with the rest of the putter. 0:14:19.120 --> 0:14:23.480 It works with the standard grip. But like Marty said, 0:14:23.520 --> 0:14:25.280 we're trying to venture out a little bit more to 0:14:25.320 --> 0:14:28.840 some of this non traditional these putters, I don't even 0:14:28.840 --> 0:14:31.600 know if they're non traditional anymore, but just trying to 0:14:31.600 --> 0:14:34.440 get out with that counterbouance, the armlock and even start. 0:14:34.520 --> 0:14:36.920 We're doing more and more work with the long putters too. 0:14:37.000 --> 0:14:38.920 I don't see a pepper on this at cover. What's 0:14:38.960 --> 0:14:40.720 going on, Tony? Come on, man? I thought the pepper 0:14:40.800 --> 0:14:43.640 was like, was your calling card? Right? Like the wet 0:14:43.680 --> 0:14:46.480 bandits putting the things in the sink, Like, where's the pepper? 0:14:46.520 --> 0:14:48.640 We got to get one on there. We could work 0:14:48.680 --> 0:14:50.640 on that perfect perfect. I got to make sure your 0:14:50.680 --> 0:14:51.160 signature's on. 0:14:52.120 --> 0:14:55.480 Besides the crazy coming back, what's your personal favorite model 0:14:55.520 --> 0:14:58.400 of the of all the models here in Scottsdale. 0:14:59.040 --> 0:14:59.720 I think the. 0:15:01.200 --> 0:15:01.840 Man there's so. 0:15:04.240 --> 0:15:06.400 I gotta go crazy. Really, it's just I mean, it's 0:15:06.440 --> 0:15:08.920 been around so long, and just it was nice to 0:15:08.920 --> 0:15:10.840 bring it back and just work with it again and 0:15:10.880 --> 0:15:13.960 just again dive into those numbers and MOI and what 0:15:14.000 --> 0:15:17.360 that putter does, how well performs the forgiveness of it, 0:15:17.400 --> 0:15:19.880 and just to look, it's very unique. It's very close 0:15:19.920 --> 0:15:22.080 to ping. So that I think was. 0:15:22.760 --> 0:15:24.480 One of the secrets of the crazy is a very 0:15:24.560 --> 0:15:27.480 low center gravity, right, so the lower the CG. You've 0:15:27.480 --> 0:15:29.320 seen this theme in the G four to forty line, 0:15:29.360 --> 0:15:32.400 now you're seeing it here in Scottsdale. Low center of gravity. 0:15:32.480 --> 0:15:34.920 That's a big part that makes it feel feel good 0:15:34.920 --> 0:15:38.360 off the face. Tony, what about the B sixty three? 0:15:38.520 --> 0:15:40.280 Tell us a little story about the B sixty three. 0:15:40.360 --> 0:15:43.160 Yeah, so the B sixty is well again another iconic 0:15:43.200 --> 0:15:45.760 putter with ping. We've done this putter for a long time. 0:15:46.680 --> 0:15:50.840 It's very close and special to us. On this particular design, 0:15:50.920 --> 0:15:52.920 we were working with a couple of players in Japan, 0:15:53.200 --> 0:15:55.840 but also Billy horseshow at the time was interested in 0:15:56.280 --> 0:15:59.000 the B sixty, but he was looking for something with 0:15:59.040 --> 0:16:04.000 that mid slint hozzle. I personally think that that geometrail 0:16:04.000 --> 0:16:06.400 of the of the B sixties, it's a lot of 0:16:06.600 --> 0:16:10.080 round corners and edges and softness. It's not a lot 0:16:10.120 --> 0:16:12.640 of hard edges on it. So I think that putter 0:16:12.720 --> 0:16:16.600 fits that design perfectly because it's it's a mid slant. 0:16:16.640 --> 0:16:18.400 It kind of flows into the head and the whole 0:16:18.440 --> 0:16:22.240 head kind of flows all together. But it was it 0:16:22.320 --> 0:16:25.720 was originally working with some players to see a B 0:16:25.880 --> 0:16:29.440 sixty with a different towdown angle and with that type 0:16:29.440 --> 0:16:29.920 of a look. 0:16:30.200 --> 0:16:31.320 So that's strong arc. 0:16:31.680 --> 0:16:34.880 It's it's a slight slid slide sixty three slid, yeah, 0:16:34.920 --> 0:16:38.480 and the B sixties usually around thirty degrees, and then 0:16:38.520 --> 0:16:41.120 this one has a little bit more toe hang soka. 0:16:41.160 --> 0:16:43.440 But I think more importantly, I think just that hozzle 0:16:43.640 --> 0:16:46.920 fits the geometrail of that head. Again, was kind of 0:16:46.920 --> 0:16:48.240 a tour inspired. 0:16:47.840 --> 0:16:48.240 To do that. 0:16:48.320 --> 0:16:50.360 I mean, it's one of my favorite parts. I mean, 0:16:50.680 --> 0:16:52.720 golf clubs are golf clubs, and I know that they are, 0:16:52.800 --> 0:16:54.520 you know, years in the making in terms of how 0:16:54.520 --> 0:16:56.600 they're produced, but I feel like in terms of the 0:16:56.640 --> 0:16:59.440 golf clubs that are unique or new models, it feels 0:16:59.440 --> 0:17:02.200 like the Potter more than anything, can be inspired by 0:17:02.200 --> 0:17:04.159 tour players coming to you guys and saying, can I 0:17:04.200 --> 0:17:06.080 see this? Can you guys adjust this? 0:17:06.080 --> 0:17:06.199 Then? 0:17:06.240 --> 0:17:08.280 All of a sudden, they become the putter that people 0:17:08.359 --> 0:17:10.040 can buy. I just think that's so cool and it's 0:17:10.040 --> 0:17:10.879 such a cool story to tea. 0:17:11.000 --> 0:17:12.840 Yeah, and I think that's one of the things of 0:17:12.880 --> 0:17:14.639 my job I really enjoy, is like you can go 0:17:14.680 --> 0:17:17.639 out with players that Oh I remember I had that 0:17:17.680 --> 0:17:20.280 putter in my garage. I remember my dad played this putter. 0:17:20.720 --> 0:17:22.600 I really like that putter. But man, I'd really like 0:17:22.680 --> 0:17:24.800 to see what would look like with this right that, 0:17:25.000 --> 0:17:27.320 or something that fits my stroke type better. What can 0:17:27.359 --> 0:17:29.959 I do to get this model to fit me better? 0:17:30.040 --> 0:17:34.399 So that helps us as a company, as in designing putters, 0:17:34.440 --> 0:17:36.480 is to come up with new stuff, maybe a little 0:17:36.520 --> 0:17:39.320 spin on something old, but we're always looking to make 0:17:39.359 --> 0:17:41.560 that better if we can improve on something we've done before. 0:17:41.640 --> 0:17:43.760 I mean, Tony, those are these like email like let's 0:17:43.840 --> 0:17:46.360