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Speaker 1: The guys from paying They've kind of showed me how

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Speaker 2: I just love that I can hit any shot.

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Speaker 1: I kind of want we're gonna be able to tell

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Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, welcome back to the Ping prooven Grounds podcast.

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Speaker 2: I'm Shane Bak and joined as always by Marty Jertsen.

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Speaker 2: Tony Serrano is back on the pod. Been a minute

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Speaker 2: since we've chat. It'd been a minute since the Scott

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Speaker 2: Stills putters were a part of the new launch of

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Speaker 3: A few years now since we've done a scuts Sell

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think this family has some similarities. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Here, you're going to see Scott our new Scottsdale family

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Speaker 1: Right, So Tony talked a little bit about just the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So I think over the last few years our

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Speaker 3: It's a golf haven's. We had the scott Stale putter

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So Scottsdale family. So we have pld's this is

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Speaker 4: Allows us to do that.

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Speaker 3: I think we just decided as a team this it's time.

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Speaker 3: It's a very special design for us. And yeah, it's

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Speaker 2: And something else Marty with that, I thought, I think

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Speaker 1: Tony putting is is tough, you know, and sometimes golfers.

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Speaker 4: Get a little vulnerable. They get they get they want.

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Speaker 1: To seek and try and try new things. Okay, so

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Speaker 2: I don't see a pepper on this at cover. What's

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Speaker 2: going on, Tony? Come on, man? I thought the pepper

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Speaker 1: Besides the crazy coming back, what's your personal favorite model

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Speaker 3: It's very close and special to us. On this particular design,

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Speaker 4: To do that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think that's one of the things of

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Speaker 3: I really like that putter. But man, I'd really like

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Speaker 3: So that helps us as a company, as in designing putters,

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Speaker 2: I mean, Tony, those are these like email like let's

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Speaker 2: I've got some ideas to Oh, Now, all of a sudden,

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Speaker 3: But yeah, a lot of Billy was mostly like sometimes

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Speaker 1: He's used our feedbacks answer a lot. He's a big

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Speaker 3: He's been in our putter for a couple of years

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Speaker 3: So the primetime putter has been really good for us.

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Speaker 3: It's it's very popular. A lot of times when we

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Speaker 3: set out to say, hey, we're gonna do nine models,

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Speaker 3: they will review it with a team. A lot of

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Speaker 3: times we just get this feedback from our sales teams.

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Speaker 2: You have to have a time putter.

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Speaker 3: It just does really well for us. A center shaft

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Speaker 3: putter with the time just seemed like a really good mix.

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Speaker 3: We've done some of that with Pod, with some of

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Speaker 3: that with with Matt. We've done some of that work

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Speaker 3: on tour. So we know that that model, it's a

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Speaker 3: symmetric design and that hozzle. The hozzle is another thing

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Speaker 3: that's new, not new, but we've gone back to putting

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Speaker 3: the little stem on top of that, which it's interesting

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Speaker 3: a lot of players is like if you show them

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Speaker 3: both one where the chef just goes directly into the head.

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Speaker 3: One with the stem. A lot of guys will look

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Speaker 3: down and like they can't really tell you what's different,

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Speaker 3: but they know they like that one, which is the stem.

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Speaker 2: Interesting.

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Speaker 3: So some of that feedback. H Mackenzie Hughes is a

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Speaker 3: big proponent of that, right, and some of the guys

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Speaker 3: that played center shaft for a long time always go

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Speaker 3: back to, hey man, that stem, it just looks different,

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Speaker 3: it looks better. So based on that feedback, went back

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Speaker 3: and added that to that.

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Speaker 1: That's one of that might be arguing my favorite little

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Speaker 1: piece in detail. The Scottsdale family is the primetime see

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Speaker 1: and that little stem, it just it cleans it up.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 1: And I think we can tell Matt McCarty maybe he's

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Speaker 1: grew up in Scottsdale. Maybe this family well, I mean,

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Speaker 1: winning like he's been doing in twenty four it might

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Speaker 1: be something smart to do.

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Speaker 2: I mean, the guy, you know, you think about that too.

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Speaker 2: I mean it's just so interesting. You talk about the

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Speaker 2: progressions of a professional golfer and if you're Matt McCarty,

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Speaker 2: you go from you know, I'm playing corn Ferry Tour

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Speaker 2: golf too, I'm having some success on corn Ferry Tour

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Speaker 2: Golf to now I'm winning on the court to down

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Speaker 2: one on the PGA Tour, and now I'm an influence

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Speaker 2: on a whole line of putters. I mean, it is

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Speaker 2: a cool part of the progression of pro golf is

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Speaker 2: all of a sudden, Ping has obviously been interested in you,

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Speaker 2: but now we're listening to what you're saying because you

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Speaker 2: now become one of the best golfers in the world. Well, Tony,

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Speaker 2: we always appreciate the time. We always appreciate chatt uh putters.

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Speaker 2: I know you're excited about the Scottsdale line, and I

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Speaker 2: know we always push people to get fit for putters.

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Speaker 2: I'm assuming that's a big part of this as well.

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Speaker 2: Make sure you go through the web tool and make

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Speaker 2: sure you get fit for one of these models, because

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Speaker 2: as we said, there are nine there.

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Speaker 3: We work closely with Marty and his group and when

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Speaker 3: we go in I keep going back to when we

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Speaker 3: pick our models. A big part of that is we

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Speaker 3: work with Marty and his team is making sure we

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Speaker 3: have the different stroke types and different putters for all

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Speaker 3: different golfers and different strokes that we have. A guy

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Speaker 3: can go and get fit and figure out there's two

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Speaker 3: or three models that will fit his stroke type. So

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Speaker 3: it's important, I know for Marty and for our team

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Speaker 3: is to make sure we're bring all the different types

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're in this interesting era, Shane, where you know

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Speaker 1: you've seen a lot of the market try these heel

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Speaker 1: shafted deep CG putters. You have to have a lot

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Speaker 1: of torque, and I've played with a lot of people,

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Speaker 1: so both the theory of it and anecdotally, a lot

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Speaker 1: of people miss those putters to the right. Then we've

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Speaker 1: seen some players try these center shafted putters. Have a

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Speaker 1: little different design philosophy. Everyone's missing those to the left.

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Speaker 1: The right answer is in putters is that you need

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Speaker 1: to match, You need to fit how you apply force

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Speaker 1: and torque to the putter, to the putter itself. And

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Speaker 1: we have a kind of a simplified strategy on that. Now,

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Speaker 1: if you pull your putts, play more totem putter, push

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Speaker 1: your putts, play more face balance putter, we can we

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Speaker 1: can really simplify that. So if folks want to go

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Speaker 1: to go out and try our our webfit tool, go

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Speaker 1: to putter dop webfit dot ping dot com. Only takes

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Speaker 1: a couple of minutes, great way to kind of get

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Speaker 1: to know the whole Scottsdale family and our pod family too.

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Speaker 2: It might take longer to like type that into your browser.

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Speaker 2: Actually did do exactly, Tony. We appreciate the time. Is

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Speaker 2: always excited about the Scottsdale line. This is the thing

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Speaker 2: Forking Ground's podcast. Mm hmmmm hmm