WEBVTT - Eamon Lynch 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:02.560 I miss a green, for example, I'm already upset. 0:00:02.680 --> 0:00:04.960 When I find my ball in the bunker, I'm really upset. 0:00:05.040 --> 0:00:05.920 And when I find my. 0:00:05.920 --> 0:00:09.000 Ball in a brid Egg Friday Egg, the dreaded Frida Egg, 0:00:09.080 --> 0:00:13.200 fridagridagg bride Egg Lie, I'm about ready to run off 0:00:13.240 --> 0:00:14.160 the golf course. 0:00:39.760 --> 0:00:42.440 Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to another edition of the 0:00:42.479 --> 0:00:46.600 Frida Egg Podcast. This afternoon. I have the distinct pleasure 0:00:46.600 --> 0:00:50.720 of being joined by Amon Lynch, contributor for Golf Week. 0:00:51.280 --> 0:00:55.400 Sometimes show up on Golf Channel. You're on there and 0:00:55.440 --> 0:00:58.680 what would you say that is a contributor on Golf Channel. 0:00:59.520 --> 0:01:01.200 Mm hmm and recourring. 0:01:01.280 --> 0:01:05.039 Irritant probably, but the best way to describe it. 0:01:05.040 --> 0:01:06.200 It's always a pleasure. 0:01:05.920 --> 0:01:06.319 To be in the air. 0:01:06.400 --> 0:01:06.800 Constant. 0:01:07.400 --> 0:01:11.720 Yeah, we're coming here from sand Valley. Just got done 0:01:11.880 --> 0:01:16.200 playing Man Dooms today, played with Sandbach yesterday, we played 0:01:16.280 --> 0:01:18.880 Sand Valley the day before. What do you think about 0:01:18.880 --> 0:01:22.240 this new Midwest destination? 0:01:23.000 --> 0:01:24.800 The resort itself is fantastic. 0:01:24.840 --> 0:01:27.119 It's you know, Mike Kaniser is by the only brand 0:01:27.240 --> 0:01:31.600 named developer in golf, and everyone knows what they're getting 0:01:32.120 --> 0:01:36.080 with Kaiser, which is a particularly elevated kind of golf. 0:01:36.120 --> 0:01:38.720 It's an elevated experience to be here. 0:01:38.840 --> 0:01:42.360 He attracts people who are doing passionate about the game, 0:01:42.520 --> 0:01:45.880 and he's done that at Bandon Dunes obviously, he's done 0:01:45.880 --> 0:01:48.120 it at camp At Links with Ben Callender. 0:01:48.600 --> 0:01:49.560 And this place is a. 0:01:49.560 --> 0:01:51.360 Lot easier to get to than either one of those. 0:01:51.840 --> 0:01:53.960 So my guess is it's probably going to have. 0:01:53.920 --> 0:01:55.920 A very strong future. 0:01:55.960 --> 0:01:58.560 I think they will announce the third course architect later 0:01:58.840 --> 0:02:02.440 this year. Really help to pretty durn good golf courses 0:02:02.480 --> 0:02:03.240 here right now on. 0:02:03.400 --> 0:02:06.400 The sound books. So it's already a great destination. 0:02:07.440 --> 0:02:07.680 Yeah. 0:02:08.160 --> 0:02:15.839 The proximity to Chicago, Milwaukee, Minnesota, Madison, Yeah, it's by 0:02:15.880 --> 0:02:18.800 far the easiest of all the resources, I think. I 0:02:18.800 --> 0:02:21.160 think stream song people say it's remote, but it's like 0:02:21.240 --> 0:02:24.359 forty five minutes from Tampa, hour from Orlando. That's a 0:02:24.639 --> 0:02:27.960 pretty easy one to get to too. But it's this 0:02:28.080 --> 0:02:32.120 golf courses. It's a very cool place and it's been 0:02:32.160 --> 0:02:34.600 amazing to watch it grow over the last couple of years. 0:02:34.639 --> 0:02:38.080 Like I remember coming out here when they had nine 0:02:38.120 --> 0:02:42.760 holes open of the original Sand Valley course and it 0:02:42.880 --> 0:02:45.359 was just a trailer. And now every time I come back, 0:02:45.360 --> 0:02:46.160 I feel like there's. 0:02:46.000 --> 0:02:49.040 Two three new buildings and none of it actually did 0:02:49.040 --> 0:02:51.360 trucks from the golf, which you don't often see. 0:02:52.120 --> 0:02:52.600 Reason work. 0:02:52.880 --> 0:02:54.600 You can go to a lot of great courses early 0:02:54.680 --> 0:02:57.080 in their lifespan and then you see things get looked 0:02:57.160 --> 0:03:00.840 up around them in a lot of cases is to 0:03:00.880 --> 0:03:02.840 detract from the golf experience. 0:03:03.600 --> 0:03:06.000 And as you see it found it. 0:03:06.480 --> 0:03:10.120 I can't but here the golf re means primary and 0:03:10.240 --> 0:03:13.000 nothing else that they add to the experience, what it 0:03:13.040 --> 0:03:14.680 adds to the general experience. 0:03:14.280 --> 0:03:17.120 Of being here. It does not in any way diminish 0:03:17.600 --> 0:03:20.880 or detract from the caliber of the golf. They don't 0:03:20.960 --> 0:03:23.760 land our ways with the lads or or get it 0:03:23.800 --> 0:03:25.520 in the way. It's not intrusive in anyway. 0:03:26.320 --> 0:03:31.280 It's just interesting because I think with golf everybody is 0:03:31.320 --> 0:03:35.440 always trying to do more to like make the game 0:03:35.520 --> 0:03:39.120 more interesting with their grow the game movement. And this 0:03:39.280 --> 0:03:43.120 is the model here is just like pure golf, and 0:03:43.200 --> 0:03:47.480 nothing detracts or there's no add ons to the golf 0:03:47.640 --> 0:03:51.000 like it that are trendy or you know, different things 0:03:51.000 --> 0:03:53.440 like they aren't trying to do any gimmicks here. You know, 0:03:53.560 --> 0:03:56.960 they're just putting the golf out and you know, presenting 0:03:56.960 --> 0:04:01.200 the golf in a very elegant and enjoyable fashion. 0:04:01.960 --> 0:04:03.640 But that in itself is growing the game. 0:04:03.640 --> 0:04:06.640 When you look at what they're doing even abandon and 0:04:06.680 --> 0:04:09.840 they have the punch bowl, they have the preserved course here, 0:04:09.920 --> 0:04:13.280 they've got the sandbox. That is a template for what 0:04:13.840 --> 0:04:16.440 ought to grow the game around the country. The first 0:04:16.480 --> 0:04:18.719 tea has not grown the game, is not growing the 0:04:18.720 --> 0:04:21.440 game and will not grow the game. But if you 0:04:21.720 --> 0:04:24.400 have a time that has something like the winter Park 0:04:24.560 --> 0:04:27.240 nine or the sandbox here, or even a putting the course. 0:04:28.320 --> 0:04:30.599 You drive through North Berwick and Scotland and you see 0:04:30.680 --> 0:04:34.400 the kids course there every night full until the sun 0:04:34.520 --> 0:04:37.880 goes back. And so what they're doing here is that 0:04:37.960 --> 0:04:42.800 kind of curiosity to a lot of golfers. But that's 0:04:42.839 --> 0:04:45.080 actually I believe the template for what could grow the 0:04:45.120 --> 0:04:48.159 game in this country is to have more kind of 0:04:48.200 --> 0:04:51.240 concentrated experiences, whether it's a nine hole course, a six 0:04:51.320 --> 0:04:53.920 hole loop and you're putting course. That is how you 0:04:53.920 --> 0:04:55.960 grow the game is to present the game with them. 0:04:56.160 --> 0:05:00.240 Stop dressing up with this nonsense of teaching kids or 0:05:00.279 --> 0:05:02.680 and integrity and honesty. That's a parent's job. 0:05:02.760 --> 0:05:07.960 It's not a golf job to teach them that, and it's. 0:05:07.520 --> 0:05:11.159 A cop out to get behind these nonsense screw the 0:05:11.200 --> 0:05:14.719 game schemes that don't actually deliver anything. 0:05:14.440 --> 0:05:17.200 The peg and juniorly screw the game because they're actually out, 0:05:17.240 --> 0:05:18.839 they're playing the game. That is. 0:05:18.880 --> 0:05:21.360 The goal is to get kids out of play, and 0:05:21.720 --> 0:05:24.440 you just don't need eighteen home golf courses to subject 0:05:24.520 --> 0:05:27.920 kids to that. At the deep end, we need more 0:05:28.279 --> 0:05:31.240 ways to entice kids into the game early with a 0:05:31.360 --> 0:05:36.320 limited but can immersive experience. And what they're doing here 0:05:36.600 --> 0:05:39.520 is the tempt that she'll be taken for ruling the 0:05:39.560 --> 0:05:43.480 game in other times and resorts and municipalities. 0:05:42.800 --> 0:05:47.200 Around the country. Yeah, I think so many golf courses 0:05:47.600 --> 0:05:51.360 should close across the country, but so many of them 0:05:51.400 --> 0:05:53.240 should look at and you have a list, I mean 0:05:53.400 --> 0:05:57.720 you work them all the time. Yeah, I mean there's 0:05:57.760 --> 0:06:00.240 a lot of them, but there's a lot of them 0:06:00.279 --> 0:06:03.960 should close their eighteen holes and look at like how 0:06:04.040 --> 0:06:07.920 you could do like the sandbox, which is you could 0:06:07.960 --> 0:06:12.880 do that on what thirty acres, forty acres you could 0:06:12.920 --> 0:06:18.440 do There's a Mike Clayton, Mike Cocking, Jeff Ogilvie's group 0:06:18.680 --> 0:06:21.560 at Shady Oaks in Dallas I saw, or Fort Worth 0:06:21.720 --> 0:06:24.200 I saw they have this nine hole course. You could 0:06:24.279 --> 0:06:27.080 route it like nine different ways or seven different ways. 0:06:27.080 --> 0:06:29.479 You could have a different little nine hole golf course 0:06:29.600 --> 0:06:32.720 every day of the week like and on that course 0:06:32.760 --> 0:06:34.960 you could hit driver around hold you can hit You know, 0:06:35.839 --> 0:06:40.280 to me, you don't need eighteen holes, you don't need 0:06:40.320 --> 0:06:43.880 one hundred and fifty acres anymore. Like you need just 0:06:43.960 --> 0:06:49.000 something that is that provides a variety, that's fun, that's interesting, 0:06:49.200 --> 0:06:52.600 that is you know, quality architecture, and that's going to 0:06:52.640 --> 0:06:53.200 get people back. 0:06:53.200 --> 0:06:56.920 Because Winter Park is a perfect example. Is it's jam packed. 0:06:57.040 --> 0:06:59.119 They they've turned their business completely around. 0:06:59.120 --> 0:07:01.520 They went from a golf course I was losing two 0:07:01.600 --> 0:07:04.120 hundred thousand dollars a year of one that makes money now. 0:07:04.720 --> 0:07:07.560 And when you look at the actual cost to go 0:07:07.600 --> 0:07:11.760 and play winter Park, it's actually just a nominal fee, 0:07:11.840 --> 0:07:15.120 even if you're not a city resident. So you also 0:07:15.120 --> 0:07:17.200 have to look at the economics and what it costs 0:07:17.240 --> 0:07:21.240 to maintain a bad eighteen to whole golf course versus 0:07:22.160 --> 0:07:24.600 a pretty good nine hole course and maybe a public 0:07:24.720 --> 0:07:27.720 course or some other addendum to it. 0:07:27.440 --> 0:07:28.640 It's a lot cheaper. 0:07:29.080 --> 0:07:31.240 And I don't necessarily think it would have a huge 0:07:31.280 --> 0:07:34.840 impact on revenue if it's done correctly, because let's says, 0:07:34.880 --> 0:07:37.720 if who wants to play a losing eighteen whole golf course. 0:07:38.040 --> 0:07:39.880 But there are people out there, I think who are 0:07:39.920 --> 0:07:45.119 looking for a better alternative that takes less time, costs 0:07:45.200 --> 0:07:49.240 less money and where they actually feel welcome and their 0:07:49.320 --> 0:07:53.680 kids being welcome or were women be welcome. And that's 0:07:53.720 --> 0:07:56.320 not true of a lot of places in the country. 0:07:57.240 --> 0:08:00.880 It's cool here they're doing that five dollars for kids 0:08:01.160 --> 0:08:04.480 at the Sandbocks, five dollars to go play their new 0:08:04.560 --> 0:08:07.360 six hole loop at sand Valley. It's like, you know, 0:08:07.440 --> 0:08:10.200 that's that's a good way, you know, to get kids 0:08:10.200 --> 0:08:12.520 out and play good golf. I grew up. I got 0:08:12.560 --> 0:08:14.760 to play good golf because I worked at a really 0:08:15.320 --> 0:08:19.360 good country club, like and I got playing privileges, so 0:08:19.440 --> 0:08:23.080 I got to understand what good golf was, and that 0:08:23.280 --> 0:08:26.280 to me is so important. I think you play, the 0:08:26.320 --> 0:08:30.320 better golf you play, and the more you know good 0:08:30.360 --> 0:08:33.680 golf that's available as the mass public is so important 0:08:34.040 --> 0:08:37.840 because one of the problems with American golf is how 0:08:37.880 --> 0:08:41.640 private is and I mean, you got compared to where 0:08:41.720 --> 0:08:47.080 you're from Ireland, Northern Ireland. That I mean, it's a 0:08:47.080 --> 0:08:48.120 completely different model. 0:08:48.440 --> 0:08:48.600 Yeah. 0:08:48.720 --> 0:08:50.920 I grew up on a par three and I can 0:08:51.000 --> 0:08:53.720 hope par three course near my home and I really 0:08:53.760 --> 0:08:55.800 should have taken it as an omen back then. I'm 0:08:55.840 --> 0:08:59.520 horrible slice and was envied right and every hold. So 0:08:59.720 --> 0:09:03.079 I and most of my childhood trying to protect my 0:09:03.200 --> 0:09:06.520 goods and services as I planned over barbar offenses to 0:09:06.600 --> 0:09:07.840 retrieve the golf. 0:09:07.679 --> 0:09:09.120 Ball I had from the fields. 0:09:09.840 --> 0:09:14.640 But it cost the equivalent of about four dollars to 0:09:14.720 --> 0:09:18.319 go play, and this is going back twenty five thirty years. 0:09:18.960 --> 0:09:20.800 And my friends and then we go out there and 0:09:20.840 --> 0:09:22.880 we play four wrongs in a row. It took us 0:09:22.920 --> 0:09:26.000 nineteen minutes to go around. And that's what we did 0:09:26.160 --> 0:09:30.200 all day during the summer. And you know, those things 0:09:30.280 --> 0:09:34.080 aren't particularly common. But you know, every time in village 0:09:34.520 --> 0:09:36.840 in Scotland and in Ireland has a golf course, it's 0:09:36.880 --> 0:09:41.080 not necessarily going to win architecture awards. But people go out, 0:09:41.120 --> 0:09:42.560 they can go out and playing jeans. 0:09:43.360 --> 0:09:44.120 They're welcome to do. 0:09:44.280 --> 0:09:46.880 So they're just going to go out and slap all around. 0:09:46.880 --> 0:09:48.800 The kids are going to go do the same. But 0:09:48.920 --> 0:09:52.120 at least it gets them into the game, and I 0:09:52.200 --> 0:09:55.360 don't feel as though that's necessarily as much of a 0:09:55.440 --> 0:09:59.240 culture trick within the golf Outside of the UK, I 0:09:59.280 --> 0:10:02.360 believe it is a Australia on pros that I've talked 0:10:02.360 --> 0:10:04.600 to over there in my own experiences there, I think 0:10:04.600 --> 0:10:07.439 it's a much more open enron. But in the United 0:10:07.440 --> 0:10:11.199 States there's whether it's public or private, there is a 0:10:11.280 --> 0:10:13.760 tendency that with the great courses to build a wall 0:10:13.800 --> 0:10:17.679 around them and put up sign it restricts who was 0:10:17.760 --> 0:10:19.200 welcome at any particular time. 0:10:19.080 --> 0:10:19.680 Of the day or night. 0:10:20.320 --> 0:10:22.719 So that's a culture that has to change if you 0:10:22.800 --> 0:10:25.880 really want to grow the game. But in this economy, 0:10:26.440 --> 0:10:29.320 bad courses are going to continue to close. So why 0:10:29.480 --> 0:10:32.959 not looking for an alternative means why stick with the 0:10:33.000 --> 0:10:35.880 one model that has proven not to work. If your 0:10:35.920 --> 0:10:40.319 course is struggling, look for something else that might perhaps 0:10:40.480 --> 0:10:42.760 offer a chance that can remedy. 0:10:42.920 --> 0:10:43.920 Remedy in the situation. 0:10:45.640 --> 0:10:50.439 It's crazy that if you had a say, a donut 0:10:50.520 --> 0:10:54.680 shop that was I'd serve identical DNAs to the donut 0:10:54.760 --> 0:10:58.000 shop shop down the street, and the donut shop down 0:10:58.040 --> 0:11:01.839 the street just like got more traffic than you to 0:11:02.000 --> 0:11:05.720 keep doing the exact same thing, like that donut shop 0:11:05.800 --> 0:11:09.640 owner would change what he's doing, and some sort of 0:11:10.000 --> 0:11:12.960 they're doing in some sort of way, whether the change 0:11:13.000 --> 0:11:16.959 of recipe changes, but in America is doing jump. 0:11:17.480 --> 0:11:20.839 In doesn't have the same baker and the problem you 0:11:20.960 --> 0:11:24.400 have in a lot of golf courses that certainly in 0:11:24.480 --> 0:11:29.319 the last thirty forty years, it's the same field architectural 0:11:29.400 --> 0:11:30.720 strategies that exist. 0:11:30.559 --> 0:11:31.880 From one to the other. 0:11:32.000 --> 0:11:34.640 They hire the same guys to go around making the 0:11:34.720 --> 0:11:37.679 same mistakes that they need somewhere else because they've never 0:11:37.760 --> 0:11:40.720 bothered to go back and see how their courses play 0:11:41.280 --> 0:11:43.520 in the field and whether or not and he will 0:11:43.600 --> 0:11:47.280 enjoy them. I had a conversation with David Kidd last 0:11:47.360 --> 0:11:49.439 week for a piece. I was riding Golf Week and 0:11:50.360 --> 0:11:53.080 he was flashing back ten years when he was at 0:11:53.160 --> 0:11:56.079 the probably the top of his craft, or why do 0:11:56.160 --> 0:11:58.719 he consider to be there. He'd opened a bunch of 0:11:58.800 --> 0:12:05.120 golf courses of course in Scotland, teborow Stone, Bray Abrahamis Dunes, 0:12:06.000 --> 0:12:08.679 but he became very aware that his courses were winning 0:12:09.160 --> 0:12:11.280 much more in the way of awards than they were 0:12:11.360 --> 0:12:15.360 with fans. Because golfers kept telling him, you know what, 0:12:15.800 --> 0:12:18.679 he was beautiful and enjoy the experience, but it beat 0:12:18.720 --> 0:12:20.120 to help him, and I'm not going back. 0:12:20.760 --> 0:12:23.840 So if you have an audience that would. 0:12:23.720 --> 0:12:26.040 Even when paying your compliment with tell you they're not 0:12:26.120 --> 0:12:29.880 coming back, that should indicate there's a problem. And David 0:12:29.920 --> 0:12:33.400 eventually realized that he was off the path that he 0:12:33.480 --> 0:12:35.959 wanted to be on, and eventually, as we see here 0:12:36.000 --> 0:12:37.800 this week, a man of doings found his way back 0:12:37.840 --> 0:12:38.040 to it. 0:12:38.760 --> 0:12:41.920 But that's a rarity among the architects. Most of them. 0:12:42.160 --> 0:12:47.280 Continued building the same type of golf and offering the 0:12:47.320 --> 0:12:49.280 same kind of golf experience. 0:12:49.120 --> 0:12:51.760 As they do everywhere else, regardless of the. 0:12:51.840 --> 0:12:54.319 Demographic that they're trying to appeal to, the time they're in, 0:12:54.440 --> 0:12:55.719 the topography they're working with. 0:12:56.559 --> 0:12:59.600 It really is the Xerox school of golf course architecture. 0:13:00.880 --> 0:13:03.439 Yeah, municipal golf that always seems the one be the 0:13:03.520 --> 0:13:06.760 one that loses with golf course architecture because it ends 0:13:06.840 --> 0:13:11.640 up being born. I don't think the golf courses here 0:13:11.679 --> 0:13:14.559 are necessarily a model for municipal golf, but there's a 0:13:14.640 --> 0:13:16.920 lot of things that you could take away from what 0:13:17.080 --> 0:13:19.719 they do here and bring them you know that you're 0:13:19.760 --> 0:13:22.719 never going to find a municipality that has, like, you know, 0:13:23.920 --> 0:13:27.079 twenty thousand acres of sand, Like that's not going to happen. 0:13:27.360 --> 0:13:31.200 And maybe not having you know, eighty yard wide fairways 0:13:31.679 --> 0:13:35.040 that you have to you know, maintain and cut is 0:13:35.360 --> 0:13:38.559 necessarily the best part. But having the corridors and a 0:13:38.640 --> 0:13:43.679 width that these places have is so important because I mean, 0:13:43.760 --> 0:13:47.880 you've already alluded to your slice. It keeps you in 0:13:47.960 --> 0:13:49.560 the ballpark for a little bit longer. 0:13:50.200 --> 0:13:54.280 Yeah, I think the value here isn't so much the 0:13:54.800 --> 0:13:58.720 practical way you can move the sound volume model elsewhere. 0:13:59.320 --> 0:14:02.040 It's kind of theophical underpinions of it. 0:14:02.200 --> 0:14:05.720 And I think what Mammoth Doones does is blow out 0:14:05.760 --> 0:14:08.000 of the water this notion that there has to be 0:14:08.040 --> 0:14:13.600 an antagonistic relationship between playability and challenge, that a course 0:14:13.720 --> 0:14:17.760 that is challenging to skilled golfers has to be punishing 0:14:17.880 --> 0:14:20.640 to the rest of us, which is a nonsense, And 0:14:20.760 --> 0:14:24.160 Mammoth Dunes proves it's a nonsense because the conturs and 0:14:24.240 --> 0:14:28.600 the width and corridors that will keep someone like me 0:14:29.280 --> 0:14:33.560 in in the romand albeit not today, is those are 0:14:33.640 --> 0:14:36.720 not the contours or targets that a plus two like 0:14:36.840 --> 0:14:38.560 you is going to look at You're looking at a 0:14:38.720 --> 0:14:42.240 very different targets to try to work your way to 0:14:42.560 --> 0:14:42.880 the pain. 0:14:43.560 --> 0:14:45.320 And that I'm out there on the edge of just 0:14:45.480 --> 0:14:45.920 trying to. 0:14:45.920 --> 0:14:48.000 Stay in the game with the same golf ball I 0:14:48.080 --> 0:14:51.320 started with. That's eminently possible. I don't think you found 0:14:51.360 --> 0:14:54.280 it an easy golf course out there today. 0:14:55.240 --> 0:14:56.640 And that's the genius of this. 0:14:56.880 --> 0:15:01.080 You can actually have quality god courses that don't need 0:15:01.120 --> 0:15:03.920 this kind of topography. But you also don't need the 0:15:04.600 --> 0:15:05.920 killer bunkers, the water. 0:15:05.800 --> 0:15:07.720 Hazards scattered at every turn. 0:15:07.920 --> 0:15:10.480 It doesn't have to be turned into some kind of 0:15:10.600 --> 0:15:12.920 medieval rack that you're going to stretch it off or 0:15:13.000 --> 0:15:18.720 on for five hours. That's the philosophical underpinning of Sound 0:15:18.800 --> 0:15:22.160 Valley as it is abounded, but particularly here at Mammoth Duns. 0:15:22.520 --> 0:15:24.480 That's what's portable in this experience. 0:15:25.720 --> 0:15:28.560 Yeah, I think that there's like a big disconnect and 0:15:28.960 --> 0:15:32.240 I saw at Trinity Forest and when you start to 0:15:32.280 --> 0:15:38.400 think about the idea of challenging golf versus hard golf, 0:15:39.040 --> 0:15:44.440 so like a single shot is challenging it, and especially 0:15:44.760 --> 0:15:48.200 at a course like Mammothun's that's out there, Like I 0:15:48.280 --> 0:15:51.680 look at that golf course and I think, like, go 0:15:51.840 --> 0:15:55.080 birdie every hole, Like that's why, that's what the challenge 0:15:55.200 --> 0:15:57.120 is out there. And this is where I think it 0:15:57.200 --> 0:16:00.840 all comes back to the illusion of par and how 0:16:00.960 --> 0:16:06.360 people are obsessed with parr. It's you know, on one day, 0:16:06.520 --> 0:16:09.480 par should be completely different than the next day. If 0:16:09.560 --> 0:16:12.840 we play in a thirty mile on hour wind, the 0:16:12.960 --> 0:16:15.560 score of par is completely different than if you play 0:16:16.200 --> 0:16:18.840 on a dead call morning the day after a big rain, 0:16:19.280 --> 0:16:22.600 like the golf course is way easier one day, So like, 0:16:22.680 --> 0:16:25.440 why is par still the same? But the idea of 0:16:25.560 --> 0:16:28.960 challenging and asking different questions throughout the round of players. 0:16:29.000 --> 0:16:32.600 And I think, you know, too many golf courses are 0:16:32.680 --> 0:16:38.120 too dependent on t ball, like and I'd say my 0:16:38.280 --> 0:16:41.760 strength of the players driving the golf ball. I like 0:16:41.880 --> 0:16:43.360 when they're tight when I play in. 0:16:43.400 --> 0:16:47.440 Competition, And that's my absolute weakness right now, to the 0:16:47.440 --> 0:16:50.000 point where I might now that ought bay again. But 0:16:51.120 --> 0:16:53.040 this is the problem here, is that the challenge that 0:16:53.120 --> 0:16:55.440 it's asking of me, mean, is exactly the same as 0:16:55.480 --> 0:16:58.040 the challenge it's asking of you. And that's to me, 0:16:58.240 --> 0:17:01.840 the kooky coator is that you see in a lot 0:17:01.880 --> 0:17:05.800 of golf it will present its challenge off the tea 0:17:05.920 --> 0:17:09.399 and it's going to offer you the opportunity to hit 0:17:09.640 --> 0:17:11.560 a difficult shot, and it's going to offer me the 0:17:11.600 --> 0:17:16.960 opportunity to hit an impossible one. And the cost to 0:17:17.119 --> 0:17:21.480 you of a slightness is a lot less than it's 0:17:21.520 --> 0:17:24.000 going to be for me with the slightness, because my 0:17:24.119 --> 0:17:24.639 margin for. 0:17:24.760 --> 0:17:29.679 Error is much greater anyway. And that's the problem. 0:17:29.720 --> 0:17:31.359 I see it in a lot of golf courses that 0:17:31.480 --> 0:17:35.920 if a golf course does not have options, it's not interesting. 0:17:35.640 --> 0:17:39.680 And live or die are not options to me. And 0:17:40.440 --> 0:17:42.840 that's what you see in so many golf courses. 0:17:42.840 --> 0:17:46.200 You see it in Greg Norman's, in Jack Nicholas's golf 0:17:46.240 --> 0:17:48.920 course in peat Dane in which Jones, you see it 0:17:49.080 --> 0:17:53.080 time and time again, is just the same absolute dearth 0:17:53.200 --> 0:17:54.320 of options that. 0:17:54.440 --> 0:17:55.360 Are being. 0:17:56.680 --> 0:17:59.160 Offered to guys. You can see the challenge it's being. 0:17:59.119 --> 0:18:03.160 Presented, but they're presenting the exact same challenge and severity 0:18:03.240 --> 0:18:07.879 of challenge to wy be different ability levels and that 0:18:08.080 --> 0:18:08.879 just gets boring. 0:18:09.520 --> 0:18:12.000 Well, it's the same question over and over again. It's 0:18:12.040 --> 0:18:16.480 hit straight. I think you know, my most fun shot 0:18:16.960 --> 0:18:19.760 today that I played, I missed a green and I 0:18:19.920 --> 0:18:24.040 had a really awkward lie on like this sandy native 0:18:24.200 --> 0:18:27.120 area off to the left of the green. I hit, 0:18:27.440 --> 0:18:30.440 you know, there was nothing in front of me on 0:18:30.560 --> 0:18:32.639 the way, and I could have hit a lob wedge, 0:18:32.680 --> 0:18:35.600 which was but I hit like a little pitching wedge, 0:18:35.680 --> 0:18:36.439 pitch like. 0:18:36.480 --> 0:18:40.239 A chip and run out of it, and I kind 0:18:40.280 --> 0:18:41.480 of thought about it. It's like if that was a 0:18:41.600 --> 0:18:46.040 deep bunker. I thought about the shot though, for a while. 0:18:46.800 --> 0:18:49.800 And that is the fun of golf, is figuring out 0:18:50.720 --> 0:18:53.080 what you're going to do, not being told what to do. 0:18:53.720 --> 0:18:54.840 It's also the fun part. 0:18:54.920 --> 0:18:56.840 It's figuring out what the ball is going to do 0:18:57.000 --> 0:18:59.639 after it hits the ground, which we saw that a 0:18:59.680 --> 0:19:01.439 trending forrest when you were out there at the. 0:19:01.440 --> 0:19:04.480 Tournament and how often you actually get to watch your 0:19:04.560 --> 0:19:06.600 guys have to worry about what the ball is going 0:19:06.640 --> 0:19:08.480 to do when it hits the ground. 0:19:09.359 --> 0:19:12.399 I mean, I remember this argument with chan Lee earlier 0:19:12.480 --> 0:19:14.840 this year when he said that drive of Dustin Johnson's 0:19:14.920 --> 0:19:17.680 at Kapalua, which was whatever four hundred and something the 0:19:17.720 --> 0:19:20.920 yards to kick in range, that it was the greatest 0:19:21.680 --> 0:19:22.920 shot ever hit to me. 0:19:23.080 --> 0:19:24.919 The one and the really interesting thing. 0:19:24.960 --> 0:19:27.399 About that shot was what happened when the ball hit 0:19:27.440 --> 0:19:31.760 the ground, which was probably ninety yards shy of where 0:19:31.800 --> 0:19:34.320 it ended up. And we just don't get to see 0:19:34.359 --> 0:19:39.920 that very often, where the elite golfers are forced to 0:19:40.040 --> 0:19:44.200 consider the conturers and what's going to happen to the ball. 0:19:44.359 --> 0:19:46.560 We see it unsure every week where the ball hits 0:19:46.760 --> 0:19:49.359 spins back to the hole. But it's basically hit can 0:19:49.400 --> 0:19:52.920 stop God, which is just tedious lunbelief to watch. 0:19:53.920 --> 0:20:00.159 Do you think that the venues Pger Tour dow or 0:20:00.920 --> 0:20:03.880 is a venue to the golf tournament. 0:20:05.520 --> 0:20:09.119 It's important to the golf tournament in the sense that 0:20:09.280 --> 0:20:14.320 they need to be able to accommodate the infrastructure that exists. 0:20:14.000 --> 0:20:14.680 For a tour event. 0:20:15.720 --> 0:20:20.440 It's important to all but about three or four pure 0:20:20.480 --> 0:20:23.440 players only in the sense of does it ask them 0:20:24.040 --> 0:20:26.800 to execute? They're not interested in the test of imagination. 0:20:27.080 --> 0:20:30.640 They are interested in the test of execution, and which 0:20:30.720 --> 0:20:33.000 is what separates this kind of golf here at Sam 0:20:33.119 --> 0:20:36.240 Valley from a lot of the other courses we see. 0:20:36.760 --> 0:20:39.720 But from a viewer perspective, I actually think it's quite 0:20:40.200 --> 0:20:45.560 important because you see this, it seems like the same 0:20:45.960 --> 0:20:48.959 that they're playing every week. It's the same guys at 0:20:48.960 --> 0:20:51.399 the same golf course being offered the same test, but 0:20:51.480 --> 0:20:52.879 they're just going to head it as far as they 0:20:52.960 --> 0:20:55.920 can go to sandwich from They're rough onto the green 0:20:56.600 --> 0:20:58.800 and either make the pun or to public carry on 0:20:58.920 --> 0:21:01.800 to the next tone. And you know, the guys on 0:21:02.280 --> 0:21:04.600 CBS or whatever going to tell to you won't believe 0:21:04.640 --> 0:21:07.800 how difficult this shot is. Well, actually we willn't because 0:21:07.840 --> 0:21:10.200 we see everyone else playing all day long. 0:21:10.880 --> 0:21:12.800 It's it's almost like you're stuck. 0:21:12.640 --> 0:21:16.840 In the ground whole day of watching lousy golf courses 0:21:17.160 --> 0:21:19.920 with boring golf being played. And that was what was 0:21:19.960 --> 0:21:23.359 so refreshing about Trenedy Forrest is that it was a 0:21:23.440 --> 0:21:27.000 great break with the normal, and that was a tournament 0:21:27.080 --> 0:21:30.919 that needed to do something to kind of resurrect itself, 0:21:31.440 --> 0:21:33.560 and there are ways you can do that. Sure did 0:21:33.600 --> 0:21:36.600 it by change in the format. And suddenly people have 0:21:36.680 --> 0:21:39.119 forgotten that your players voted that the worst course on 0:21:39.280 --> 0:21:43.200 tour a couple of years ago, and now another course 0:21:43.280 --> 0:21:46.600 that they voted as among the worst contrur was the 0:21:47.000 --> 0:21:49.200 at and t Oaks course that they used to play 0:21:49.240 --> 0:21:50.120 the Barron Nelson. 0:21:49.960 --> 0:21:54.240 On which crews coins t that four season. Yeah, that 0:21:54.400 --> 0:21:57.800 was the wasn't the at and TAKS courses at sant Antony. 0:21:58.080 --> 0:22:02.000 That's that's your boy Normans as well. Again, that's they 0:22:02.080 --> 0:22:03.640 all together, Texas. 0:22:03.880 --> 0:22:07.119 And the least to at least offensive thing about that 0:22:07.280 --> 0:22:08.920 is the fact that it's named for a corporation. 0:22:10.359 --> 0:22:12.680 But you know, the Baron Nelson Tournament found a way 0:22:13.240 --> 0:22:14.480 to suddenly make itself. 0:22:15.240 --> 0:22:18.080 They must talked about it then on tour this year 0:22:18.200 --> 0:22:22.400 outside of say the players and the Masters, because it found. 0:22:22.119 --> 0:22:26.439 A way to move to an intriguing style of venue, 0:22:26.480 --> 0:22:26.880 and they. 0:22:27.680 --> 0:22:31.680 Took the risk of going with Gror and Crenshaw on 0:22:31.800 --> 0:22:35.240 that golf course that draws in the tournament, and suddenly 0:22:35.240 --> 0:22:38.439 it's a very different experience from what we have been 0:22:38.480 --> 0:22:42.720 seeing in certainly on the Texas swing recently, but even 0:22:42.840 --> 0:22:45.600 on matur in general, there just aren't that many interesting 0:22:46.119 --> 0:22:47.120 golf courses out there. 0:22:48.200 --> 0:22:51.240 I think it's one of the prive of three or 0:22:51.320 --> 0:22:54.680 four best venues that the tour goes to earn their 0:22:54.720 --> 0:22:56.520 ad already like, and that's not a. 0:22:56.520 --> 0:22:59.600 Competitive category of trur venues. 0:23:00.480 --> 0:23:03.359 Well, I think what you alluded to that is fascinating 0:23:03.440 --> 0:23:07.000 is the idea of variety. When I look at the 0:23:07.040 --> 0:23:10.560 PGA Tour. It whether it's the format that's seventy two 0:23:10.640 --> 0:23:13.720 hole stroke play week after week after week after week 0:23:13.800 --> 0:23:17.600 after week after week, or whether it's the golf courses 0:23:17.680 --> 0:23:21.879 that are you know, eerily similar in just different states. 0:23:22.560 --> 0:23:27.119 It putting having variety. I think is they should. They 0:23:27.160 --> 0:23:30.639 should love that idea and do everything they can to 0:23:30.840 --> 0:23:35.840 go to different venues, experience, experiment with different formats. And 0:23:36.640 --> 0:23:39.600 I mean, if you were running the PGA Tour, what 0:23:39.680 --> 0:23:40.720 would be the first thing you do? 0:23:42.480 --> 0:23:46.920 Probably done, Kevin n We're still play and anyone else 0:23:47.359 --> 0:23:49.520 who needs you know two three. 0:23:49.440 --> 0:23:52.679 Minutes centurally that it's done the ball, and I actually 0:23:52.760 --> 0:23:55.879 think you can work with some of the venues that 0:23:56.000 --> 0:23:59.080 are right there. Part of the problem here is a 0:23:59.160 --> 0:24:02.360 significant point problem is not the course. It's the setup. 0:24:03.080 --> 0:24:08.760 And the setup that the turer enforces every week is monotonous. 0:24:09.280 --> 0:24:12.160 It's asking the same questions every week. 0:24:12.520 --> 0:24:15.200 Of players on tour. So I think the trure itself 0:24:15.280 --> 0:24:18.880 for some responsibility. It's not just on the architects here 0:24:20.000 --> 0:24:21.879 or even the tournament's and their chrunt of venue. 0:24:21.920 --> 0:24:25.439 A lot of it is on the trurer. So there 0:24:25.520 --> 0:24:27.639 is something they can do about that. I actually think 0:24:27.680 --> 0:24:28.159 they ought to. 0:24:28.880 --> 0:24:31.520 I think they should change some of the formats out there. 0:24:31.600 --> 0:24:35.800 I think the team event was fine. There has to 0:24:35.880 --> 0:24:40.640 be a better alternative to the forty odd tournaments year 0:24:41.119 --> 0:24:44.200 where it is seven or two holes of struggling with 0:24:44.840 --> 0:24:47.960 a mediocre field. That might give a couple of decent 0:24:48.160 --> 0:24:51.160 names in there, but you have to get an extraordinary 0:24:51.280 --> 0:24:54.480 tournative events in Sunday afternoon to really get the viewing 0:24:54.520 --> 0:24:57.800 audience interest. And you just can't have this kind of 0:24:57.880 --> 0:25:03.080 mediocre product as often as is actually presented under And 0:25:03.200 --> 0:25:06.919 that is not exclusively the problem of the course, nor 0:25:06.960 --> 0:25:09.880 even opposed an exclusive problem of the drawer, but it's 0:25:09.920 --> 0:25:12.439 something that they can and Sho'll address the. 0:25:12.520 --> 0:25:16.880 Set up things interesting because something I know players were 0:25:16.880 --> 0:25:19.920 really excited about at Trinity was the variety and the 0:25:20.040 --> 0:25:23.040 part threes, you know, having a short little guy on 0:25:23.200 --> 0:25:28.719 a and how every tour course seemingly it is all 0:25:28.840 --> 0:25:31.520 two hundred plus yard part three. Just because there's a 0:25:31.560 --> 0:25:33.560 back to two hundred yards doesn't mean they have to 0:25:33.600 --> 0:25:34.440 set it up that way. 0:25:35.320 --> 0:25:38.920 And Graham McDonald got ripped by one of the Twitter 0:25:39.040 --> 0:25:42.880 trolls at Trinity Forest for taking a little bit longer 0:25:42.920 --> 0:25:46.000 than Norman because he's actually a very speedy player to 0:25:46.119 --> 0:25:49.119 make an up and dine on the seventeenth hole, because 0:25:49.160 --> 0:25:52.119 there were opting options that Graham could have used to 0:25:52.160 --> 0:25:55.520 play that shot. And to me, the problem is not 0:25:56.160 --> 0:25:59.040 a guy who takes a little bit low to consider 0:25:59.560 --> 0:26:01.800 a white number of options to execute a show. 0:26:02.520 --> 0:26:03.480 The problem is. 0:26:03.520 --> 0:26:06.000 Every other week on durer Or, the guy who's been 0:26:06.040 --> 0:26:09.960 presented with one option still takes an eternity to play 0:26:10.040 --> 0:26:12.119 the shof I mean, you know that, to me is 0:26:12.480 --> 0:26:14.960 the biggest problem in the game actually is still playing. 0:26:15.040 --> 0:26:17.639 That's really what the Duror could address. And you know, 0:26:17.880 --> 0:26:20.639 I could tolerate golf course is. 0:26:20.640 --> 0:26:24.480 Being played quickly well, golf course has been paid played 0:26:24.640 --> 0:26:26.359 at an achingly slow a place. 0:26:26.840 --> 0:26:28.399 Is just intolerable. 0:26:28.560 --> 0:26:31.440 Is a problem. And if you think about like what 0:26:31.680 --> 0:26:35.840 he was thinking about there, to me, that's where the 0:26:35.960 --> 0:26:41.960 broadcast sometimes messes. The boat is Like the most compelling 0:26:42.119 --> 0:26:45.240 aspect of golf is listening to a player and a 0:26:45.320 --> 0:26:49.440 caddy talk about a decision where they're talking about where 0:26:49.440 --> 0:26:52.280 they're going to land the ball, what trajectory they're coming 0:26:52.320 --> 0:26:55.280 in at, you know, what type of spin they're going 0:26:55.359 --> 0:26:55.960 to have on it. 0:26:56.359 --> 0:27:00.159 Because that and that requires the broadcast to just not 0:27:00.280 --> 0:27:04.680 say anything, I mean, and sit there and let the 0:27:04.840 --> 0:27:08.520 moment happen and then see what if the player. 0:27:08.359 --> 0:27:13.399 Executes the shot, like getting more like allowing that to 0:27:13.560 --> 0:27:17.360 happen more would be so I mean, I think that's 0:27:17.680 --> 0:27:20.480 so compelling. I don't know if the regular viewer does. 0:27:20.560 --> 0:27:23.800 But that's how everybody can understand what they're talking about 0:27:23.880 --> 0:27:26.719 and see how good and how talented these guys are. 0:27:26.840 --> 0:27:30.840 Where they're talking about landing at one f or one 0:27:31.400 --> 0:27:34.720 eight at different trajrectories with different spin. I mean, that's 0:27:34.800 --> 0:27:36.080 the talent of these guys. 0:27:37.359 --> 0:27:42.720 Yeah, But get in the announcers to actually know when science. 0:27:42.400 --> 0:27:44.320 Is of more value than words, I think is a 0:27:44.359 --> 0:27:47.399 bit of a struggle because ultimately, they're paid to voice 0:27:47.440 --> 0:27:51.920 their opinions and nothing can be said until those guys 0:27:52.000 --> 0:27:54.679 and how they're saying it, it seems, but there are 0:27:54.760 --> 0:27:57.440 a lot of times, but it seems to try it 0:27:57.960 --> 0:28:02.160 from the moment of the broadcast. But again, I don't 0:28:02.160 --> 0:28:06.680 necessarily think you can legislate for the announcers. It would 0:28:06.720 --> 0:28:09.480 be nice if there was a little more awareness of 0:28:09.600 --> 0:28:14.680 what the viewer experience is. And I think that's also 0:28:14.920 --> 0:28:18.000 lacking quite often in the coverage of the game these days. 0:28:19.040 --> 0:28:23.000 So it's crazy. We're we only have a little over 0:28:23.119 --> 0:28:26.960 three months left in the PGA Tour season. What's been 0:28:27.080 --> 0:28:30.960 your kind of takeaways so far from from what we've seen, 0:28:31.880 --> 0:28:36.800 you know, Masters players and just the overall season. You know, 0:28:36.880 --> 0:28:39.760 we're about to hit the kind of the big, big 0:28:39.840 --> 0:28:40.920 events here coming up. 0:28:42.360 --> 0:28:46.040 What's actually been surprising to me is how many of 0:28:46.480 --> 0:28:49.520 the biggest stars in the game have shown so much 0:28:49.640 --> 0:28:53.400 form this year, and yet we still haven't really had 0:28:53.520 --> 0:28:57.200 much in the way of those total shootout accidents we're 0:28:57.240 --> 0:29:00.600 all eighteen for, particularly in an event that matters. I mean, 0:29:00.600 --> 0:29:03.720 there was a certainly a dramatic finish shop at the Masters, 0:29:03.840 --> 0:29:09.320 but Reed wasn't particularly challenged. It wasn't go for the 0:29:09.400 --> 0:29:12.320 throat kind of experience there. But there are a lot 0:29:12.360 --> 0:29:14.680 of guys being really good golf. And you know, we've 0:29:14.720 --> 0:29:19.760 seen Phil win, Rory wins Tigers, showing signs that he 0:29:19.880 --> 0:29:22.040 will win again. Which have you asked me that a 0:29:22.120 --> 0:29:23.800 year ago? I would have thought you were kind of crazy. 0:29:23.880 --> 0:29:26.160 I believe that, but I do think he's going to 0:29:26.200 --> 0:29:30.920 win again, and it's it's shaping up with so much promise. 0:29:31.520 --> 0:29:35.520 We just need one of those kind of y're o 0:29:35.680 --> 0:29:39.680 defining tournaments, which we haven't had in a very long time. 0:29:39.760 --> 0:29:42.600 Because to me, what the tour is missing more than 0:29:42.640 --> 0:29:46.440 anything right now is a rival And yes, you can 0:29:46.600 --> 0:29:50.160 argue that it's great to have a dominant player, which 0:29:50.240 --> 0:29:52.520 we don't have, and we have a lot of great players, 0:29:52.560 --> 0:29:54.480 but not a lot of dominant players. 0:29:54.920 --> 0:29:58.040 But go back look for rivalries in this game. 0:29:58.080 --> 0:30:02.000 You have to go back to perhaps great Norman mcfondo 0:30:02.480 --> 0:30:05.160 twenty plus years ago, twenty five years ago. Before that, 0:30:05.320 --> 0:30:08.240 you go back forty years to Jack and Tom Watson. 0:30:09.000 --> 0:30:12.880 Obviously the Hanak and carry well in there as well, 0:30:13.040 --> 0:30:16.920 But this game hasn't had the kind of rivalry that 0:30:17.160 --> 0:30:20.720 is fought out in the tournaments that matter. Nobody remembers 0:30:21.240 --> 0:30:24.720 Jack and Arnie, or sorry Jack and Arnie, Jack and 0:30:24.800 --> 0:30:28.680 Tom Watson fighting it out in the Andy Williams San 0:30:28.720 --> 0:30:31.280 Diego Upen. They've fought it out in the Open Championship 0:30:31.360 --> 0:30:34.479 and the Masters in the US and events that mattered, 0:30:35.040 --> 0:30:38.240 and that just doesn't seem to happen in this generation. 0:30:38.400 --> 0:30:42.600 The best players are very seldom two going at. 0:30:42.560 --> 0:30:45.440 Each other on Sunday afternoon in the beutest tournaments in 0:30:45.520 --> 0:30:47.040 the game, and that's what we need. More. 0:30:48.760 --> 0:30:52.400 It seems like there's an on that never like the 0:30:52.560 --> 0:30:55.720 parody is at an all time high in the game. 0:30:55.920 --> 0:31:00.480 Where if I put the top twenty five players in 0:31:00.600 --> 0:31:04.360 the world in front of you for the Snekak, would 0:31:04.360 --> 0:31:07.160 you be surprised if any of them were No. 0:31:07.440 --> 0:31:11.120 I think the pool of players, the pool of players 0:31:11.160 --> 0:31:14.880 who can win the biggest defense now is probably bigger 0:31:15.520 --> 0:31:18.600 than it's ever been. But in some ways the pool 0:31:18.640 --> 0:31:24.360 that does win seems smaller and less impressive. You know, 0:31:24.480 --> 0:31:27.520 it's a great career now to have one a major. 0:31:27.680 --> 0:31:32.520 Jordan has three, Rory's got four, and they are by 0:31:32.600 --> 0:31:33.960 some margin the. 0:31:34.040 --> 0:31:37.120 Most dominant guys of that generation. 0:31:37.520 --> 0:31:40.160 Well, Tiger had a lot more than three or four 0:31:40.360 --> 0:31:43.080 at that point in his career, obviously, And you just 0:31:43.480 --> 0:31:44.600 wish that we. 0:31:44.680 --> 0:31:49.080 Could see someone stretch it out a little bit and 0:31:49.160 --> 0:31:52.160 see who comes with. Let's find somebody. 0:31:51.880 --> 0:31:54.360 Who can add a couple of majors to their resume 0:31:54.840 --> 0:31:59.280 and see which of this generation has the stomach to 0:31:59.360 --> 0:32:01.960 make a fight out of it and elevate their own game, 0:32:02.080 --> 0:32:07.080 because ultimately, a dominant player will elevate other folks, and 0:32:07.600 --> 0:32:10.240 you can look at tennis over the last ten years 0:32:10.320 --> 0:32:14.200 and say, yes, Roger Federer's indisputably the biggest player who's 0:32:14.200 --> 0:32:17.280 ever played the game, but a lot of his career 0:32:17.400 --> 0:32:20.560 is defined by a rivalry against the dall or Djokovic. 0:32:20.760 --> 0:32:25.680 He elevated them, they at times surpassed him, but it 0:32:25.800 --> 0:32:30.840 made it for a compelling year in tennis every single year. 0:32:31.600 --> 0:32:33.520 Those were the guys who were there in the terms 0:32:33.560 --> 0:32:34.080 that mattered. 0:32:34.120 --> 0:32:36.000 And that's our big loss right now. 0:32:36.160 --> 0:32:41.000 Basketball's got Lebron that's like, you know, the undisputed greatest 0:32:41.040 --> 0:32:44.880 of this generation. But there's guys like Kevin Durant, Steph Curry, 0:32:45.800 --> 0:32:48.320 you know, that are pushing them. You know, it's not 0:32:49.320 --> 0:32:53.320 it's not something that he automatic. And I agree, and 0:32:53.680 --> 0:32:59.640 part of me wonders, Tiger was the last dominant player? 0:33:00.640 --> 0:33:03.360 Will he be the last dominant player? No? 0:33:03.560 --> 0:33:06.240 I think that kind of thing is cyclical. 0:33:06.440 --> 0:33:08.720 I don't necessarily believe anyone will ever play the game 0:33:08.800 --> 0:33:14.200 again the Tiger did in around two thousand, perhaps even 0:33:14.240 --> 0:33:16.720 in the mid two thousands, when he. 0:33:16.920 --> 0:33:20.000 Was just demonstrably way better than everyone else. 0:33:19.920 --> 0:33:20.320 In the game. 0:33:20.720 --> 0:33:23.880 He knew and name do it. But I do think 0:33:23.920 --> 0:33:27.720 we'll have another dominant player. It just seems once in 0:33:27.800 --> 0:33:28.600 a generation thing. 0:33:29.640 --> 0:33:31.360 I don't know who that's going to be in this 0:33:31.560 --> 0:33:35.720 generation yet, nor what will constitute dominance. Because you also 0:33:35.760 --> 0:33:39.520 have to remember that Tiger thoroughly skewed the perception of 0:33:39.640 --> 0:33:41.720 what the best player in the world ought to do. 0:33:41.920 --> 0:33:45.160 Weekend we got because no one who held that dominant 0:33:45.160 --> 0:33:48.760 position before him ever did what he did week after 0:33:48.920 --> 0:33:49.760 week after week. 0:33:50.280 --> 0:33:53.040 And clearly none of these guys right now can do that. 0:33:53.240 --> 0:33:54.640 It's considered a hot streak. 0:33:55.080 --> 0:33:57.200 If they play well three or four weeks in a row, 0:33:57.600 --> 0:34:00.440 we'll do it fifty two weeks in a row Tigers 0:34:00.520 --> 0:34:03.880 did in his brind So we see dominance not at 0:34:03.920 --> 0:34:06.560 the level we did, but it would be a kind of. 0:34:06.600 --> 0:34:09.719 A cheaper form of dominance, but somebody would get there. 0:34:09.760 --> 0:34:15.160 Again, I go back to the dominance of Tigers diminished 0:34:15.360 --> 0:34:19.840 ever since probably one, and the real distance of explosion, 0:34:20.320 --> 0:34:23.719 And part of me believes that, I mean, technology has 0:34:23.760 --> 0:34:29.040 brought everybody closer, not necessarily the regular amateur player, but 0:34:29.520 --> 0:34:33.920 from a high level player perspective, there's no way you 0:34:34.040 --> 0:34:37.799 can't say that hybrids haven't allowed players to be better. 0:34:37.920 --> 0:34:41.240 And you know, then you know the greatest skill. Donald 0:34:41.320 --> 0:34:44.280 Ross said the greatest skill and golf is the ability 0:34:44.320 --> 0:34:47.920 to hit towering long iron shots. And that was in 0:34:48.040 --> 0:34:51.680 nineteen hundred. If you talk to anybody about Sevvy or 0:34:51.840 --> 0:34:54.920 Jack or Arnold Palmer, what you know one of their 0:34:55.040 --> 0:34:59.920 greatest skills was hitting towering long irons. So beyond every 0:35:00.080 --> 0:35:03.719 think you know, the hybrid technology, track man, all this 0:35:03.840 --> 0:35:09.080 stuff has contributed, I believe to a homoginization of the game. 0:35:09.440 --> 0:35:10.440 To slight bit. 0:35:11.440 --> 0:35:15.000 Yeah, I think it's dragged It's not that it's dragged 0:35:15.360 --> 0:35:18.120 the best players down. I think they're still the best players. 0:35:18.239 --> 0:35:23.120 It's allowed a lot of mediocre durer players to have 0:35:23.480 --> 0:35:27.480 very nice careers where they can play and compete at 0:35:27.480 --> 0:35:31.040 a very nice level without ever ever hanching having to 0:35:31.080 --> 0:35:34.560 be great if not that much has been asked of them, 0:35:35.120 --> 0:35:39.480 and the shots that separate the people who win tournaments 0:35:39.520 --> 0:35:43.200 and important tournaments are not demanded of players anymore. When 0:35:43.239 --> 0:35:46.400 you saw last year Tour, the longest iron DJ had 0:35:46.400 --> 0:35:50.120 into any Part four was the sixth hron So once yes, 0:35:50.280 --> 0:35:52.719 and I don't believe DJ. 0:35:52.600 --> 0:35:54.239 Can't hit low matters. He obviously can. 0:35:54.400 --> 0:35:56.560 He's among the two or three best players in the 0:35:56.600 --> 0:36:00.600 world right now. He's not being asked to and distance 0:36:00.719 --> 0:36:03.239 is such and it doesn't have to And I do 0:36:03.400 --> 0:36:07.440 think that's kind of created this pool of players that 0:36:08.040 --> 0:36:10.520 is miles wide but about a middle meter deep. 0:36:11.200 --> 0:36:16.000 As there when it comes to the ability to separate themselves. 0:36:15.640 --> 0:36:19.120 From the pack, I believe even if we have at 0:36:19.160 --> 0:36:22.319 some point in the future by vocation or ball roll 0:36:22.400 --> 0:36:24.919 back or anything like that, I still believe the best 0:36:24.960 --> 0:36:28.880 players will be the best players at that point. What 0:36:29.040 --> 0:36:33.160 it will do is separate the also rounds who are 0:36:33.239 --> 0:36:37.840 skating by with technology rather steal. 0:36:39.000 --> 0:36:41.879 I believe, like the top fifteen to twenty players will 0:36:41.920 --> 0:36:44.000 still be the top you know, they will still be 0:36:44.200 --> 0:36:46.319 some of the top players in the game, like they 0:36:46.360 --> 0:36:49.600 will the top five will still be the five best 0:36:49.640 --> 0:36:51.920 players in the game. Where I think you'll see if 0:36:51.960 --> 0:36:56.160 shakeup is in the middle tier, where it goes back 0:36:56.200 --> 0:36:58.080 to what we're talking about with golf, Like I think 0:36:58.160 --> 0:37:03.680 that the ability to the ball's way over it. I 0:37:03.760 --> 0:37:07.520 think and from like a from a viewer standpoint, a 0:37:07.680 --> 0:37:13.560 game with heroic recovery shots is way more interesting than 0:37:13.600 --> 0:37:17.920 a game where it's just a tactical, precision game where. 0:37:17.760 --> 0:37:20.160 It's that challenge you to find a single golfound anywhere 0:37:20.160 --> 0:37:22.120 in the world you can remember a great drive seventy 0:37:22.120 --> 0:37:25.680 Bostero Center hit. Yeah, but they can kind of chapter 0:37:25.800 --> 0:37:27.759 and verse of some of the short game shots that 0:37:27.840 --> 0:37:29.600 the executed over the years. 0:37:29.960 --> 0:37:30.680 Same with Tiger. 0:37:30.960 --> 0:37:34.799 You know, people remember that shippen a Gusta, and they 0:37:34.880 --> 0:37:37.319 don't remember a lot of the three hundred and fifty 0:37:37.360 --> 0:37:39.600 yard drive because they all look the same, they all 0:37:39.680 --> 0:37:42.760 end up in the same place. So it's the challenge 0:37:43.280 --> 0:37:48.920 is Pookie color, whereas it's much more situational and involves 0:37:49.000 --> 0:37:53.480 many more options and a wider skill set to execute 0:37:53.480 --> 0:37:55.480 the closer to the business end of the hole you get. 0:37:55.960 --> 0:37:58.040 And I think that's where the real joy of watching 0:37:58.120 --> 0:37:59.600 this game and the great players. 0:38:00.040 --> 0:38:03.439 Guys, what uh, what do you think of Aaron Hills 0:38:03.520 --> 0:38:03.960 last year? 0:38:06.280 --> 0:38:10.400 That one I watched from Afar happily, So I just 0:38:10.440 --> 0:38:14.400 thought it looked like a faery, boring golf course. 0:38:14.480 --> 0:38:19.560 I thought it was a a rather non descript major championship. 0:38:20.480 --> 0:38:22.200 You know, I've always associated. 0:38:21.680 --> 0:38:23.760 With the us op the bone that makes these guys 0:38:24.920 --> 0:38:29.600 squeak in agony, and that one didn't except for Kevin 0:38:29.680 --> 0:38:31.759 No complaining about the referre in the week, which he 0:38:31.760 --> 0:38:37.000 had then got down. I just didn't feel as though 0:38:37.160 --> 0:38:39.840 it did not have the gun on the aura of 0:38:39.920 --> 0:38:44.960 a major championship. Brooks kept get thirdly deserving winner, wonderful player, 0:38:45.520 --> 0:38:50.040 but it did not strike me as being timber of 0:38:50.040 --> 0:38:51.319 the US Up when you've come to. 0:38:51.360 --> 0:38:55.600 Expect why do we hold on to this idea of 0:38:56.080 --> 0:38:59.120 scoring with the US Open all the games clearly changed. 0:39:00.840 --> 0:39:02.680 Well, that's the supposed question for Matt Davis. 0:39:02.719 --> 0:39:06.279 I'm not on the USGA executive committee yet, although I 0:39:06.360 --> 0:39:09.440 keep up with somebody I get the call because you're why. 0:39:09.719 --> 0:39:11.400 I do not own a blue blazer, so that might 0:39:11.480 --> 0:39:12.040 be a problem. 0:39:13.320 --> 0:39:19.440 I don't necessarily think that challenge and scoring are one 0:39:19.520 --> 0:39:23.480 and the same, and perhaps the US Open folks do 0:39:23.680 --> 0:39:24.040 believe that. 0:39:24.200 --> 0:39:27.200 But I think Brooks Ketkill will probably tell you that 0:39:27.320 --> 0:39:31.919 he found Aaron Hill's challenging in last year's Open. 0:39:32.719 --> 0:39:33.759 But I'm I'm sure there's a. 0:39:33.760 --> 0:39:35.840 Lot Moreganis are going to tell you that Chinico Kills 0:39:35.920 --> 0:39:38.480 is challenging when they get there in a couple of weeks, 0:39:39.239 --> 0:39:40.200 and it's a lot of that. 0:39:40.280 --> 0:39:42.560 Concern comes down to the course set up. 0:39:43.000 --> 0:39:45.480 I believe the USDA should move away from this idea 0:39:45.520 --> 0:39:50.279 of power and the defense of it. But again then 0:39:50.360 --> 0:39:54.360 you move into the idea of the equipment issues and 0:39:54.440 --> 0:39:57.960 the distance issues. It's a real Pandora's box when you 0:39:58.280 --> 0:40:02.920 just tried to define challenge versus scoring, because how do 0:40:03.000 --> 0:40:08.000 you rain in scoring or expand the challenge without getting 0:40:08.080 --> 0:40:12.200 into the way Guys are able to overpower virtually any 0:40:12.239 --> 0:40:14.680 golf course. So then do you have to grow in 0:40:15.480 --> 0:40:18.080 the fairways? Do you have to have rough that's waisted high? 0:40:18.840 --> 0:40:23.040 You know, everything seems to be interconnected in that argument, 0:40:23.320 --> 0:40:25.520 but it does feel as though there's a Company Jesus 0:40:25.680 --> 0:40:28.920 movement coming in a debate within the game of golf. 0:40:29.880 --> 0:40:33.400 Yeah, it should be a really interesting next couple of 0:40:33.440 --> 0:40:40.080 weeks with arguably like the two sternest tests in golf. 0:40:40.120 --> 0:40:43.120 I think you put Oakmand and Shanna Kaka probably the 0:40:43.200 --> 0:40:48.040 two venues in US Open rotation that you would say 0:40:48.040 --> 0:40:51.279 are the toughest tests of golf over time, and then 0:40:51.320 --> 0:40:55.680 you go for the Open Championship to Carnousti, which is 0:40:56.080 --> 0:41:01.600 long then considered the toughest test of golf. I'm fascinated 0:41:01.680 --> 0:41:06.080 to see, you know, what Shinnakok will look like. You know, 0:41:06.200 --> 0:41:09.040 the fairways are much wider than what they were before. 0:41:09.200 --> 0:41:13.200 I don't think that's going to necessarily equate to better scoring. 0:41:13.280 --> 0:41:17.040 I think it will separate the field better. It will 0:41:17.360 --> 0:41:20.200 you know, the cream will rise more with the wider 0:41:20.280 --> 0:41:23.319 fairways there because those players that are really on, they're 0:41:23.400 --> 0:41:26.320 hitting their spots, are going to gain the advantage. And 0:41:27.080 --> 0:41:29.359 you know when you get into these very very narrow 0:41:29.440 --> 0:41:33.120 fairways with really thick rough like I mean, he had 0:41:33.200 --> 0:41:35.040 a great drive and catch like the side of the 0:41:35.080 --> 0:41:37.879 sprinkler had to bounce it into the rough and he's like, well, 0:41:38.000 --> 0:41:42.440 that wasn't like a bad drive. And I think when 0:41:42.520 --> 0:41:45.720 there's more with like the bad drives are still gonna 0:41:46.400 --> 0:41:48.360 If you have a bad drive with a wide faraway, 0:41:48.360 --> 0:41:51.799 you're going to still be terrible place. But I think 0:41:52.960 --> 0:41:56.600 it will be interesting to see if scoring is drastically 0:41:56.719 --> 0:41:58.920 different than two thousand and four. 0:42:00.080 --> 0:42:01.680 Cock is also one of those places that. 0:42:03.680 --> 0:42:07.279 It really gets exponentially more difficult the closer to the 0:42:07.320 --> 0:42:09.719 business end of the hope we get. And you know, 0:42:09.800 --> 0:42:13.959 it's got a pretty well countered greens there as fast 0:42:14.000 --> 0:42:19.040 as ice rinks typically, it's beautifully bonkery. And what's interesting 0:42:19.120 --> 0:42:21.960 this year I was talked to Brad Faxing about it 0:42:22.040 --> 0:42:24.239 last week keeping up there for media Day, and he 0:42:24.280 --> 0:42:26.440 said it was quite interesting as the cursed strange. 0:42:26.480 --> 0:42:28.840 Actually, he said, how many of the areas around the greens. 0:42:28.880 --> 0:42:30.480 It used to be just the. 0:42:30.600 --> 0:42:33.560 Gruff which allowed you one shot to play out of it, 0:42:33.680 --> 0:42:36.839 which is hack it out onto the green. So many 0:42:36.920 --> 0:42:40.760 of those ship down into chipping areas. So I actually 0:42:40.800 --> 0:42:43.720 think this is an up and that will separate guys 0:42:43.719 --> 0:42:47.480 who have that skill set close to the home because 0:42:47.520 --> 0:42:50.160 they're being presented with options and how to play it. 0:42:50.280 --> 0:42:52.480 And that's why I'm must looking forward to it. I 0:42:52.600 --> 0:42:54.480 just said, put everyone in the middle of every fairway 0:42:54.480 --> 0:42:55.160 and lit side it. 0:42:55.200 --> 0:42:56.640 Out from there. You don't even need to hit your 0:42:56.680 --> 0:42:59.640 t shots. We'd like that absolutely. I think it will 0:42:59.640 --> 0:43:02.120 be much much more entertaining. 0:43:01.719 --> 0:43:04.960 God, because that's what's going to separate the truly skilled 0:43:05.080 --> 0:43:10.040 players with nerves of steel than hitting drives into the 0:43:10.160 --> 0:43:12.560 furway or just into the first cup of the roughlan 0:43:12.640 --> 0:43:14.719 gunageing it on from there. Let's put them around the 0:43:14.760 --> 0:43:16.480 hole and then see who's standing on somebody. 0:43:16.480 --> 0:43:16.760 Easy. 0:43:17.239 --> 0:43:22.440 See, that'd be an interesting alternative of a bat if 0:43:22.560 --> 0:43:24.719 they did something where it was like a Part three 0:43:25.080 --> 0:43:28.960 tournament et centray to see who is the best from 0:43:29.480 --> 0:43:31.879 two hundred and twenty five yards and then from all. 0:43:31.840 --> 0:43:32.920 Different kinds of places. 0:43:34.719 --> 0:43:38.799 Yeah, I think that's actually the In a way, that's 0:43:38.840 --> 0:43:41.680 almost what the game has been reduced to at this point. 0:43:41.760 --> 0:43:44.480 Because they all hit it a long way, it's not 0:43:44.920 --> 0:43:48.680 become particularly relevant worthy hit it because it doesn't seem 0:43:48.800 --> 0:43:52.640 to diminish their ability to score if they're playing from 0:43:52.680 --> 0:43:57.759 the rough versus the furway, and it's the entire game 0:43:57.800 --> 0:43:58.879 has now become. 0:44:00.080 --> 0:44:01.880 The second shot on on sport. 0:44:02.320 --> 0:44:05.520 The problem is that in so many cases, what is 0:44:05.640 --> 0:44:09.720 presented to guys after they hit their second shot tends 0:44:09.760 --> 0:44:14.040 to be a very one noted challenge where the. 0:44:14.080 --> 0:44:16.360 Setup is the same, most weights and they're. 0:44:16.200 --> 0:44:18.960 Chipping from the roof and Peter costas the same you 0:44:18.960 --> 0:44:21.600 won't believe how fast this, but it's gonna be afterwards. 0:44:21.880 --> 0:44:24.840 But a chip cop if they have these shaved chipping 0:44:24.920 --> 0:44:27.520 areas and you're chipping onto the loose screens with those 0:44:27.560 --> 0:44:31.319 contours and that speed, I think that becomes an exponentially 0:44:31.400 --> 0:44:35.560 more interesting challenge than the idea of well let's see. 0:44:35.480 --> 0:44:38.600 That's where the skill really I like last year watching 0:44:38.760 --> 0:44:42.000 Aaron Hill's had those shaved off areas. I'll never forget. 0:44:42.080 --> 0:44:45.000 I'm the biggest Lee Westwood fan in the world, and 0:44:45.120 --> 0:44:48.920 I saw west You just sat there with this putter, and. 0:44:48.960 --> 0:44:53.280 I'm watching Patrick Reed chip in and like Lee Westwoods 0:44:53.360 --> 0:44:55.560 just praying for a too put from off the green, 0:44:55.680 --> 0:44:58.759 like just just praying for part. And Patrick Reed's in 0:44:58.840 --> 0:45:01.759 the short grass, He's thinking ship in every single time. 0:45:02.080 --> 0:45:05.839 And that the short grass really allows the short game 0:45:05.920 --> 0:45:10.680 skill to just be you know, the greatest short game 0:45:10.800 --> 0:45:15.640 players love short grass, and the guys that struggle, they 0:45:15.760 --> 0:45:18.520 can't stand short grass. They're just grabbing the potter. They're 0:45:18.560 --> 0:45:19.360 playing defensive. 0:45:19.640 --> 0:45:22.160 Yeah, And it's I. 0:45:22.200 --> 0:45:24.799 Think this is going to be the first Open really 0:45:24.880 --> 0:45:29.360 in a while that we see that Aaron Hills, I 0:45:29.440 --> 0:45:32.560 don't think offered as many options around the green or 0:45:32.680 --> 0:45:37.320 didn't demand as much of players around the green as as. 0:45:37.200 --> 0:45:40.719 Jimnacock will in first to the USGA, that was. 0:45:40.719 --> 0:45:43.960 The first Open to their credit where they were relying 0:45:44.040 --> 0:45:46.040 upon the vagaries of the weather to help out. 0:45:46.360 --> 0:45:48.600 Now you see that in the Open Championship every year. 0:45:49.080 --> 0:45:52.239 It may be the only defense those courses actually have 0:45:52.680 --> 0:45:54.160 any course when the Open broke up. 0:45:54.480 --> 0:45:56.560 Its only defense is the. 0:45:56.600 --> 0:45:59.719 Weather, and last year the USGA was expecting wind and 0:46:00.080 --> 0:46:01.840 ever came, so it just they've turned it into a 0:46:01.880 --> 0:46:02.399 pitching pot. 0:46:02.400 --> 0:46:03.280 Of course those guys. 0:46:04.760 --> 0:46:07.439 That's not going to happen at Chennikov because they don't 0:46:07.520 --> 0:46:11.160 need the weather to really fire up the challenge and 0:46:11.239 --> 0:46:14.799 aft off course, and nor does Carnelsty the gentleman. I mean, 0:46:14.840 --> 0:46:17.560 they'll probably get it at Carneusty, but they don't need 0:46:17.640 --> 0:46:19.439 it there. And I don't think they need the weather 0:46:19.560 --> 0:46:20.280 either at Chenneka. 0:46:21.360 --> 0:46:24.840 Who's gonna win the US Open and who's gonna. 0:46:24.600 --> 0:46:26.040 Win the Open Championship? 0:46:28.480 --> 0:46:28.839 Oh boy? 0:46:29.680 --> 0:46:32.279 Not to fill I don't think Phil Everyone's is open 0:46:32.280 --> 0:46:34.040 at this tage. We played one hundred and seventeen of 0:46:34.120 --> 0:46:36.680 these things and the number will have been won by 0:46:36.880 --> 0:46:40.520 forty seven year old men zero and I. 0:46:40.640 --> 0:46:45.240 Keep hearing, especially once to have a propancior driver portly exactly, 0:46:45.800 --> 0:46:46.920 and that it doesn't really set up. 0:46:46.960 --> 0:46:50.080 Now you could also argue doesn't balance out because Phil 0:46:50.160 --> 0:46:54.719 is pretty sharp around the greens with his creativity, that 0:46:55.520 --> 0:46:58.360 having no shape areas might actually cheap fill in the 0:46:58.440 --> 0:46:59.919 game a little bit longer. 0:47:00.160 --> 0:47:02.320 If this driver is a little bit wayward. 0:47:03.440 --> 0:47:05.279 I think he just had to look at guys who's 0:47:05.320 --> 0:47:09.960 got a really good short game. As odd as he's 0:47:10.000 --> 0:47:13.440 playing right now, I wouldn't rule out Jordan speak because 0:47:13.440 --> 0:47:16.040 he's got The US Open seems made for that kid, 0:47:16.080 --> 0:47:20.440 because he's got a way of somehow in that overstowed 0:47:20.520 --> 0:47:22.759 fashion getting the ball in the hole. 0:47:23.719 --> 0:47:27.440 There's all kinds of ugly drama that goes along. 0:47:27.280 --> 0:47:29.600 The way, whether he's on the driving range at Birkefield 0:47:30.360 --> 0:47:33.000 or he's just hitting it all over the shop at 0:47:33.000 --> 0:47:34.520 Augusta National and getting it done. 0:47:34.960 --> 0:47:37.600 He figures out how to get the ball in the hole. 0:47:38.120 --> 0:47:39.799 Whereas you have a lot of. 0:47:39.800 --> 0:47:41.680 Guys out there with a lot of prettier s rigning 0:47:41.760 --> 0:47:44.280 is a lot more confident, but when it comes crunch 0:47:44.360 --> 0:47:47.879 time on Sunday afternoon, their self belief seems to waiver 0:47:48.360 --> 0:47:51.279 quite a bit, and the US Open has a way 0:47:51.320 --> 0:47:54.759 of crunching guy's self belief out of them. I could 0:47:54.800 --> 0:47:58.960 see Stiff actually winning despite his playing issues because on 0:47:59.160 --> 0:48:01.920 Green's Land in a cup, everyone that's going to put 0:48:02.040 --> 0:48:04.560 early by by the standards. 0:48:04.080 --> 0:48:06.880 Of what they do on any given week. So the 0:48:07.040 --> 0:48:09.200 US Open is almost kind of even off the field. 0:48:09.239 --> 0:48:11.640 Ethy get putting because it's such a challenge for everyone. 0:48:13.080 --> 0:48:16.000 And at Karnasty as they call it Stotland, it's just 0:48:16.120 --> 0:48:18.200 a matter of you know, who's going to be the 0:48:18.239 --> 0:48:21.600 most patient guy there? It's you look at the the 0:48:22.080 --> 0:48:24.960 last two opens. There are two of the last three. 0:48:25.760 --> 0:48:30.200 You have Tom Watson in seventy five, Paul Laurie Flinty 0:48:30.280 --> 0:48:33.520 Scotsman in ninety nine and Potler Carrington in two thousand 0:48:33.560 --> 0:48:36.160 and seven. It's not an excellent that those guys win 0:48:36.920 --> 0:48:40.080 at Carney Steam because when something goes wrong, they don't 0:48:40.200 --> 0:48:43.279 sit and put and have history onics like a lot 0:48:43.320 --> 0:48:46.840 of guys and to do so you're taking them Baba and. 0:48:46.840 --> 0:48:50.279 I think Bubba Will should probably do this flight home. 0:48:53.520 --> 0:48:56.479 But those guys, they're you know, stoicism is a great 0:48:56.560 --> 0:48:59.319 trick to have in and up and championship because they 0:48:59.400 --> 0:49:01.080 tend to put their head died and. 0:49:01.200 --> 0:49:04.000 Just try to power alan through whatever the challenge of. 0:49:04.040 --> 0:49:07.160 Disappointment is that just been hit with and that's the 0:49:07.280 --> 0:49:09.640 kind of character I would expect to come out on 0:49:09.760 --> 0:49:11.160 top again this time around. 0:49:12.800 --> 0:49:14.920 Is justin rosa Hall of famer already. 0:49:15.200 --> 0:49:19.960 No, Now, I don't think anyone in the one major championship, 0:49:20.840 --> 0:49:24.120 and I don't count of Monty's three senior majors as majors. 0:49:24.920 --> 0:49:28.160 If you have a title sponsor, you're not a major championship. 0:49:29.880 --> 0:49:35.080 All right, let's get into some overrated underrated Here. Overrated 0:49:35.200 --> 0:49:38.240 underrated the performance of the winner of the nineteen ninety 0:49:38.280 --> 0:49:43.400 eight Greater Vancouver Open, and this is from Lubron James. 0:49:44.360 --> 0:49:47.920 It suppose it depends on what category we're rigging him 0:49:48.280 --> 0:49:51.760 over under As a TV analyst, I think he's peerless 0:49:52.760 --> 0:49:57.360 as a drinking companion, also peerless as a nurturing golf coach. 0:49:57.800 --> 0:50:02.080 Already lovesy, but as a friend pretty good, So I 0:50:02.120 --> 0:50:04.000 think the balance is out of the positive side of 0:50:04.040 --> 0:50:09.640 the venture for mister Chumbley. Underrated, I think he's a Yeah, 0:50:09.840 --> 0:50:12.600 I would regard him as underrated, but it's also undersized. 0:50:12.680 --> 0:50:21.280 So it's appropriate. Swing demons, which one just in general, 0:50:21.360 --> 0:50:24.960 our swing demons overrated or well, with. 0:50:25.080 --> 0:50:31.520 Me, they are. They're more overwhelming than anything else because 0:50:31.520 --> 0:50:34.640 I made a mistake about five years ago involve attempting 0:50:34.680 --> 0:50:37.840 to get better on the point or I almost no 0:50:38.000 --> 0:50:40.920 longer play, and Chamblee has told me for years that 0:50:41.040 --> 0:50:45.000 I was uncoachable, and I think I'm on the cusp 0:50:45.120 --> 0:50:48.600 of finally admitting that the little guy might actually be right. 0:50:50.840 --> 0:50:55.600 All right. Overrated underrated shipping six irons. This is from 0:50:55.719 --> 0:50:56.520 Joshul A Belt. 0:50:57.600 --> 0:51:00.640 I think in general it's an underrated skin. But when 0:51:00.680 --> 0:51:02.600 you were doing it yesterday, when the breaking down the 0:51:02.640 --> 0:51:04.719 hole in the sandbox, I thought it was a little overrated. 0:51:05.160 --> 0:51:06.840 I would have felt a little bit better about it 0:51:07.000 --> 0:51:08.920 if you'd at least warned shoes while. 0:51:08.800 --> 0:51:12.279 You were doing our golf is overrated or under it. 0:51:13.719 --> 0:51:13.960 They were. 0:51:14.120 --> 0:51:17.600 Essentially, they're neither underrated ruby, they just should be worn. 0:51:18.440 --> 0:51:19.560 No shoes, no service. 0:51:21.320 --> 0:51:23.919 All right, mamon, it's been fun having me on. We'll 0:51:24.440 --> 0:51:27.160 have to do something around one of these majors, but 0:51:28.080 --> 0:51:30.920 thanks for coming on. People can read your writing. What 0:51:31.040 --> 0:51:32.719 you've got coming up on golf week. 0:51:33.480 --> 0:51:35.440 I got to write something in the next couple of days. 0:51:35.520 --> 0:51:37.919 What it is, who knows. I'm literally used to visit. 0:51:38.719 --> 0:51:40.000 Maybe I'll write about my deans. 0:51:41.120 --> 0:51:42.440 I'd like to know what they look like. 0:51:44.080 --> 0:51:46.560 You've been listening to the fried Egg podcast. 0:51:47.080 --> 0:51:48.560 We do the digging for you.