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Speaker 2: When I find my ball in the bunker, I'm really upset.

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Speaker 1: And when I find my.

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Speaker 3: Ball in a brid Egg Friday Egg, the dreaded Frida Egg,

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Speaker 3: the golf course.

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Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to another edition of the

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Speaker 2: Frida Egg Podcast. This afternoon. I have the distinct pleasure

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Speaker 2: of being joined by Amon Lynch, contributor for Golf Week.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes show up on Golf Channel. You're on there and

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Speaker 2: what would you say that is a contributor on Golf Channel.

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Speaker 3: Mm hmm and recourring.

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Speaker 4: Irritant probably, but the best way to describe it.

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Speaker 3: It's always a pleasure.

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Speaker 2: To be in the air.

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Speaker 3: Constant.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're coming here from sand Valley. Just got done

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Speaker 2: playing Man Dooms today, played with Sandbach yesterday, we played

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Speaker 2: Sand Valley the day before. What do you think about

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Speaker 2: this new Midwest destination?

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Speaker 3: The resort itself is fantastic.

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Speaker 4: It's you know, Mike Kaniser is by the only brand

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Speaker 4: named developer in golf, and everyone knows what they're getting

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Speaker 4: with Kaiser, which is a particularly elevated kind of golf.

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Speaker 3: It's an elevated experience to be here.

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Speaker 4: He attracts people who are doing passionate about the game,

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Speaker 4: and he's done that at Bandon Dunes obviously, he's done

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Speaker 3: And this place is a.

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Speaker 4: Lot easier to get to than either one of those.

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Speaker 4: So my guess is it's probably going to have.

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Speaker 3: A very strong future.

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Speaker 4: I think they will announce the third course architect later

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Speaker 4: this year. Really help to pretty durn good golf courses

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Speaker 3: The sound books. So it's already a great destination.

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Speaker 2: The proximity to Chicago, Milwaukee, Minnesota, Madison, Yeah, it's by

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Speaker 2: far the easiest of all the resources, I think. I

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Speaker 2: think stream song people say it's remote, but it's like

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Speaker 2: forty five minutes from Tampa, hour from Orlando. That's a

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Speaker 2: pretty easy one to get to too. But it's this

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Speaker 2: golf courses. It's a very cool place and it's been

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Speaker 2: amazing to watch it grow over the last couple of years.

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Speaker 2: Like I remember coming out here when they had nine

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Speaker 2: holes open of the original Sand Valley course and it

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Speaker 4: Two three new buildings and none of it actually did

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Speaker 3: Reason work.

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Speaker 4: You can go to a lot of great courses early

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Speaker 3: And as you see it found it.

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Speaker 4: I can't but here the golf re means primary and

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Speaker 4: nothing else that they add to the experience, what it

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Speaker 3: Of being here. It does not in any way diminish

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Speaker 3: or detract from the caliber of the golf. They don't

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Speaker 2: It's just interesting because I think with golf everybody is

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Speaker 2: nothing detracts or there's no add ons to the golf

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Speaker 2: like it that are trendy or you know, different things

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Speaker 3: But that in itself is growing the game.

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Speaker 4: When you look at what they're doing even abandon and

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Speaker 4: they have the punch bowl, they have the preserved course here,

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Speaker 4: Stop dressing up with this nonsense of teaching kids or

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Speaker 3: It's not a golf job to teach them that, and it's.

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Speaker 4: A cop out to get behind these nonsense screw the

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Speaker 3: The peg and juniorly screw the game because they're actually out,

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Speaker 4: The goal is to get kids out of play, and

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Speaker 4: you just don't need eighteen home golf courses to subject

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Speaker 2: Around the country. Yeah, I think so many golf courses

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Speaker 2: You could have a different little nine hole golf course

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Speaker 1: Because Winter Park is a perfect example. Is it's jam packed.

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Speaker 2: They went from a golf course I was losing two

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Speaker 4: And I don't necessarily think it would have a huge

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Speaker 4: But there are people out there, I think who are

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Speaker 2: It's cool here they're doing that five dollars for kids

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Speaker 4: I grew up on a par three and I can

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Speaker 4: And my friends and then we go out there and

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Speaker 2: It's crazy that if you had a say, a donut

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Speaker 4: It's important to all but about three or four pure

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Speaker 3: significant point problem is not the course. It's the setup.

444
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:08,760
Speaker 4: And the setup that the turer enforces every week is monotonous.

445
00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:12,160
Speaker 3: It's asking the same questions every week.

446
00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:15,200
Speaker 4: Of players on tour. So I think the trure itself

447
00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:18,880
Speaker 4: for some responsibility. It's not just on the architects here

448
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:21,879
Speaker 4: or even the tournament's and their chrunt of venue.

449
00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:25,439
Speaker 3: A lot of it is on the trurer. So there

450
00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:27,639
Speaker 3: is something they can do about that. I actually think

451
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:28,159
Speaker 3: they ought to.

452
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:31,520
Speaker 4: I think they should change some of the formats out there.

453
00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:35,800
Speaker 4: I think the team event was fine. There has to

454
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:40,640
Speaker 4: be a better alternative to the forty odd tournaments year

455
00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:44,200
Speaker 4: where it is seven or two holes of struggling with

456
00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:47,960
Speaker 4: a mediocre field. That might give a couple of decent

457
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:51,160
Speaker 4: names in there, but you have to get an extraordinary

458
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:54,480
Speaker 4: tournative events in Sunday afternoon to really get the viewing

459
00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:57,800
Speaker 4: audience interest. And you just can't have this kind of

460
00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 4: mediocre product as often as is actually presented under And

461
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:06,919
Speaker 4: that is not exclusively the problem of the course, nor

462
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:09,880
Speaker 4: even opposed an exclusive problem of the drawer, but it's

463
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:12,439
Speaker 4: something that they can and Sho'll address the.

464
00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:16,880
Speaker 2: Set up things interesting because something I know players were

465
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,920
Speaker 2: really excited about at Trinity was the variety and the

466
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:23,040
Speaker 2: part threes, you know, having a short little guy on

467
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:28,719
Speaker 2: a and how every tour course seemingly it is all

468
00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 2: two hundred plus yard part three. Just because there's a

469
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:33,560
Speaker 2: back to two hundred yards doesn't mean they have to

470
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:34,440
Speaker 2: set it up that way.

471
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:38,920
Speaker 4: And Graham McDonald got ripped by one of the Twitter

472
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:42,880
Speaker 4: trolls at Trinity Forest for taking a little bit longer

473
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 4: than Norman because he's actually a very speedy player to

474
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:49,119
Speaker 4: make an up and dine on the seventeenth hole, because

475
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:52,119
Speaker 4: there were opting options that Graham could have used to

476
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 4: play that shot. And to me, the problem is not

477
00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:59,040
Speaker 4: a guy who takes a little bit low to consider

478
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:01,800
Speaker 4: a white number of options to execute a show.

479
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:03,480
Speaker 3: The problem is.

480
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 4: Every other week on durer Or, the guy who's been

481
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:09,960
Speaker 4: presented with one option still takes an eternity to play

482
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,119
Speaker 4: the shof I mean, you know that, to me is

483
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:14,960
Speaker 4: the biggest problem in the game actually is still playing.

484
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:17,639
Speaker 3: That's really what the Duror could address. And you know,

485
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:20,639
Speaker 3: I could tolerate golf course is.

486
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:24,480
Speaker 4: Being played quickly well, golf course has been paid played

487
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:26,359
Speaker 4: at an achingly slow a place.

488
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:28,399
Speaker 3: Is just intolerable.

489
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:31,440
Speaker 2: Is a problem. And if you think about like what

490
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:35,840
Speaker 2: he was thinking about there, to me, that's where the

491
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 2: broadcast sometimes messes. The boat is Like the most compelling

492
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:45,240
Speaker 2: aspect of golf is listening to a player and a

493
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:49,440
Speaker 2: caddy talk about a decision where they're talking about where

494
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 2: they're going to land the ball, what trajectory they're coming

495
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 2: in at, you know, what type of spin they're going

496
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:55,960
Speaker 2: to have on it.

497
00:26:56,359 --> 00:27:00,159
Speaker 1: Because that and that requires the broadcast to just not

498
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:04,680
Speaker 1: say anything, I mean, and sit there and let the

499
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 1: moment happen and then see what if the player.

500
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:13,399
Speaker 2: Executes the shot, like getting more like allowing that to

501
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:17,360
Speaker 2: happen more would be so I mean, I think that's

502
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 2: so compelling. I don't know if the regular viewer does.

503
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 2: But that's how everybody can understand what they're talking about

504
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:26,719
Speaker 2: and see how good and how talented these guys are.

505
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 2: Where they're talking about landing at one f or one

506
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 2: eight at different trajrectories with different spin. I mean, that's

507
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 2: the talent of these guys.

508
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, But get in the announcers to actually know when science.

509
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 4: Is of more value than words, I think is a

510
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:47,399
Speaker 4: bit of a struggle because ultimately, they're paid to voice

511
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:51,920
Speaker 4: their opinions and nothing can be said until those guys

512
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,679
Speaker 4: and how they're saying it, it seems, but there are

513
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:57,440
Speaker 4: a lot of times, but it seems to try it

514
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:02,160
Speaker 4: from the moment of the broadcast. But again, I don't

515
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:06,680
Speaker 4: necessarily think you can legislate for the announcers. It would

516
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 4: be nice if there was a little more awareness of

517
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:14,680
Speaker 4: what the viewer experience is. And I think that's also

518
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 4: lacking quite often in the coverage of the game these days.

519
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 2: So it's crazy. We're we only have a little over

520
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 2: three months left in the PGA Tour season. What's been

521
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 2: your kind of takeaways so far from from what we've seen,

522
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 2: you know, Masters players and just the overall season. You know,

523
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 2: we're about to hit the kind of the big, big

524
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 2: events here coming up.

525
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 4: What's actually been surprising to me is how many of

526
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 4: the biggest stars in the game have shown so much

527
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 4: form this year, and yet we still haven't really had

528
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 4: much in the way of those total shootout accidents we're

529
00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 4: all eighteen for, particularly in an event that matters. I mean,

530
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 4: there was a certainly a dramatic finish shop at the Masters,

531
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 4: but Reed wasn't particularly challenged. It wasn't go for the

532
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 4: throat kind of experience there. But there are a lot

533
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 4: of guys being really good golf. And you know, we've

534
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 4: seen Phil win, Rory wins Tigers, showing signs that he

535
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 4: will win again. Which have you asked me that a

536
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 4: year ago? I would have thought you were kind of crazy.

537
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 4: I believe that, but I do think he's going to

538
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 4: win again, and it's it's shaping up with so much promise.

539
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 4: We just need one of those kind of y're o

540
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 4: defining tournaments, which we haven't had in a very long time.

541
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 4: Because to me, what the tour is missing more than

542
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 4: anything right now is a rival And yes, you can

543
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 4: argue that it's great to have a dominant player, which

544
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 4: we don't have, and we have a lot of great players,

545
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:54,480
Speaker 4: but not a lot of dominant players.

546
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 3: But go back look for rivalries in this game.

547
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 4: You have to go back to perhaps great Norman mcfondo

548
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 4: twenty plus years ago, twenty five years ago. Before that,

549
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 4: you go back forty years to Jack and Tom Watson.

550
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 4: Obviously the Hanak and carry well in there as well,

551
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 4: But this game hasn't had the kind of rivalry that

552
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 4: is fought out in the tournaments that matter. Nobody remembers

553
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 4: Jack and Arnie, or sorry Jack and Arnie, Jack and

554
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 4: Tom Watson fighting it out in the Andy Williams San

555
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 4: Diego Upen. They've fought it out in the Open Championship

556
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:34,479
Speaker 4: and the Masters in the US and events that mattered,

557
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 4: and that just doesn't seem to happen in this generation.

558
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 3: The best players are very seldom two going at.

559
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 4: Each other on Sunday afternoon in the beutest tournaments in

560
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 4: the game, and that's what we need. More.

561
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 2: It seems like there's an on that never like the

562
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 2: parody is at an all time high in the game.

563
00:30:55,920 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 2: Where if I put the top twenty five players in

564
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 2: the world in front of you for the Snekak, would

565
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 2: you be surprised if any of them were No.

566
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 4: I think the pool of players, the pool of players

567
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 4: who can win the biggest defense now is probably bigger

568
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 4: than it's ever been. But in some ways the pool

569
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 4: that does win seems smaller and less impressive. You know,

570
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 4: it's a great career now to have one a major.

571
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 4: Jordan has three, Rory's got four, and they are by

572
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 4: some margin the.

573
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 3: Most dominant guys of that generation.

574
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 4: Well, Tiger had a lot more than three or four

575
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 4: at that point in his career, obviously, And you just

576
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 4: wish that we.

577
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 3: Could see someone stretch it out a little bit and

578
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 3: see who comes with. Let's find somebody.

579
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 4: Who can add a couple of majors to their resume

580
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 4: and see which of this generation has the stomach to

581
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 4: make a fight out of it and elevate their own game,

582
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 4: because ultimately, a dominant player will elevate other folks, and

583
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 4: you can look at tennis over the last ten years

584
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 4: and say, yes, Roger Federer's indisputably the biggest player who's

585
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 4: ever played the game, but a lot of his career

586
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 4: is defined by a rivalry against the dall or Djokovic.

587
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 4: He elevated them, they at times surpassed him, but it

588
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 4: made it for a compelling year in tennis every single year.

589
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 4: Those were the guys who were there in the terms

590
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 4: that mattered.

591
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 3: And that's our big loss right now.

592
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 2: Basketball's got Lebron that's like, you know, the undisputed greatest

593
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 2: of this generation. But there's guys like Kevin Durant, Steph Curry,

594
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 2: you know, that are pushing them. You know, it's not

595
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 2: it's not something that he automatic. And I agree, and

596
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 2: part of me wonders, Tiger was the last dominant player?

597
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 2: Will he be the last dominant player? No?

598
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 3: I think that kind of thing is cyclical.

599
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 4: I don't necessarily believe anyone will ever play the game

600
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 4: again the Tiger did in around two thousand, perhaps even

601
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 4: in the mid two thousands, when he.

602
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 3: Was just demonstrably way better than everyone else.

603
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 2: In the game.

604
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 3: He knew and name do it. But I do think

605
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 3: we'll have another dominant player. It just seems once in

606
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 3: a generation thing.

607
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 4: I don't know who that's going to be in this

608
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 4: generation yet, nor what will constitute dominance. Because you also

609
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 4: have to remember that Tiger thoroughly skewed the perception of

610
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 4: what the best player in the world ought to do.

611
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 4: Weekend we got because no one who held that dominant

612
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 4: position before him ever did what he did week after

613
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 4: week after week.

614
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 3: And clearly none of these guys right now can do that.

615
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 3: It's considered a hot streak.

616
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 4: If they play well three or four weeks in a row,

617
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 4: we'll do it fifty two weeks in a row Tigers

618
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 4: did in his brind So we see dominance not at

619
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 4: the level we did, but it would be a kind of.

620
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 3: A cheaper form of dominance, but somebody would get there.

621
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 2: Again, I go back to the dominance of Tigers diminished

622
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:19,840
Speaker 2: ever since probably one, and the real distance of explosion,

623
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 2: And part of me believes that, I mean, technology has

624
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 2: brought everybody closer, not necessarily the regular amateur player, but

625
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 2: from a high level player perspective, there's no way you

626
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:37,799
Speaker 2: can't say that hybrids haven't allowed players to be better.

627
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:41,240
Speaker 2: And you know, then you know the greatest skill. Donald

628
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:44,280
Speaker 2: Ross said the greatest skill and golf is the ability

629
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 2: to hit towering long iron shots. And that was in

630
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 2: nineteen hundred. If you talk to anybody about Sevvy or

631
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 2: Jack or Arnold Palmer, what you know one of their

632
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 2: greatest skills was hitting towering long irons. So beyond every

633
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 2: think you know, the hybrid technology, track man, all this

634
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 2: stuff has contributed, I believe to a homoginization of the game.

635
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 5: To slight bit.

636
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's dragged It's not that it's dragged

637
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 4: the best players down. I think they're still the best players.

638
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 4: It's allowed a lot of mediocre durer players to have

639
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 4: very nice careers where they can play and compete at

640
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 4: a very nice level without ever ever hanching having to

641
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 4: be great if not that much has been asked of them,

642
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 4: and the shots that separate the people who win tournaments

643
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 4: and important tournaments are not demanded of players anymore. When

644
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:46,400
Speaker 4: you saw last year Tour, the longest iron DJ had

645
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 4: into any Part four was the sixth hron So once yes,

646
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,719
Speaker 4: and I don't believe DJ.

647
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:54,239
Speaker 3: Can't hit low matters. He obviously can.

648
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 4: He's among the two or three best players in the

649
00:35:56,600 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 4: world right now. He's not being asked to and distance

650
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 4: is such and it doesn't have to And I do

651
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 4: think that's kind of created this pool of players that

652
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 4: is miles wide but about a middle meter deep.

653
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 3: As there when it comes to the ability to separate themselves.

654
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 4: From the pack, I believe even if we have at

655
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:22,319
Speaker 4: some point in the future by vocation or ball roll

656
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:24,919
Speaker 4: back or anything like that, I still believe the best

657
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:28,880
Speaker 4: players will be the best players at that point. What

658
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 4: it will do is separate the also rounds who are

659
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:37,840
Speaker 4: skating by with technology rather steal.

660
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,879
Speaker 2: I believe, like the top fifteen to twenty players will

661
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 2: still be the top you know, they will still be

662
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,319
Speaker 2: some of the top players in the game, like they

663
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 2: will the top five will still be the five best

664
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 2: players in the game. Where I think you'll see if

665
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 2: shakeup is in the middle tier, where it goes back

666
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 2: to what we're talking about with golf, Like I think

667
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 2: that the ability to the ball's way over it. I

668
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 2: think and from like a from a viewer standpoint, a

669
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 2: game with heroic recovery shots is way more interesting than

670
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 2: a game where it's just a tactical, precision game where.

671
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 4: It's that challenge you to find a single golfound anywhere

672
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 4: in the world you can remember a great drive seventy

673
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 4: Bostero Center hit. Yeah, but they can kind of chapter

674
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 4: and verse of some of the short game shots that

675
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 4: the executed over the years.

676
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 3: Same with Tiger.

677
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:34,799
Speaker 4: You know, people remember that shippen a Gusta, and they

678
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:37,319
Speaker 4: don't remember a lot of the three hundred and fifty

679
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 4: yard drive because they all look the same, they all

680
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:42,760
Speaker 4: end up in the same place. So it's the challenge

681
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 4: is Pookie color, whereas it's much more situational and involves

682
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 4: many more options and a wider skill set to execute

683
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 4: the closer to the business end of the hole you get.

684
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 4: And I think that's where the real joy of watching

685
00:37:58,120 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 4: this game and the great players.

686
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:03,439
Speaker 2: Guys, what uh, what do you think of Aaron Hills

687
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 2: last year?

688
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:10,400
Speaker 4: That one I watched from Afar happily, So I just

689
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:14,400
Speaker 4: thought it looked like a faery, boring golf course.

690
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 3: I thought it was a a rather non descript major championship.

691
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 3: You know, I've always associated.

692
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:23,760
Speaker 4: With the us op the bone that makes these guys

693
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 4: squeak in agony, and that one didn't except for Kevin

694
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 4: No complaining about the referre in the week, which he

695
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 4: had then got down. I just didn't feel as though

696
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:39,840
Speaker 4: it did not have the gun on the aura of

697
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 4: a major championship. Brooks kept get thirdly deserving winner, wonderful player,

698
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 4: but it did not strike me as being timber of

699
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:51,319
Speaker 4: the US Up when you've come to.

700
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 2: Expect why do we hold on to this idea of

701
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 2: scoring with the US Open all the games clearly changed.

702
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 3: Well, that's the supposed question for Matt Davis.

703
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:06,279
Speaker 4: I'm not on the USGA executive committee yet, although I

704
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 4: keep up with somebody I get the call because you're why.

705
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:11,400
Speaker 3: I do not own a blue blazer, so that might

706
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 3: be a problem.

707
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 6: I don't necessarily think that challenge and scoring are one

708
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 6: and the same, and perhaps the US Open folks do

709
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 6: believe that.

710
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 4: But I think Brooks Ketkill will probably tell you that

711
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:31,919
Speaker 4: he found Aaron Hill's challenging in last year's Open.

712
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 3: But I'm I'm sure there's a.

713
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:35,840
Speaker 4: Lot Moreganis are going to tell you that Chinico Kills

714
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 4: is challenging when they get there in a couple of weeks,

715
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 4: and it's a lot of that.

716
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 3: Concern comes down to the course set up.

717
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 4: I believe the USDA should move away from this idea

718
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 4: of power and the defense of it. But again then

719
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:54,360
Speaker 4: you move into the idea of the equipment issues and

720
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 4: the distance issues. It's a real Pandora's box when you

721
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 4: just tried to define challenge versus scoring, because how do

722
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 4: you rain in scoring or expand the challenge without getting

723
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 4: into the way Guys are able to overpower virtually any

724
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 4: golf course. So then do you have to grow in

725
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 4: the fairways? Do you have to have rough that's waisted high?

726
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 4: You know, everything seems to be interconnected in that argument,

727
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 4: but it does feel as though there's a Company Jesus

728
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 4: movement coming in a debate within the game of golf.

729
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, it should be a really interesting next couple of

730
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 2: weeks with arguably like the two sternest tests in golf.

731
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 2: I think you put Oakmand and Shanna Kaka probably the

732
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 2: two venues in US Open rotation that you would say

733
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:51,279
Speaker 2: are the toughest tests of golf over time, and then

734
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 2: you go for the Open Championship to Carnousti, which is

735
00:40:56,080 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 2: long then considered the toughest test of golf. I'm fascinated

736
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 2: to see, you know, what Shinnakok will look like. You know,

737
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 2: the fairways are much wider than what they were before.

738
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 2: I don't think that's going to necessarily equate to better scoring.

739
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 2: I think it will separate the field better. It will

740
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 2: you know, the cream will rise more with the wider

741
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:23,319
Speaker 2: fairways there because those players that are really on, they're

742
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:26,320
Speaker 2: hitting their spots, are going to gain the advantage. And

743
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:29,359
Speaker 2: you know when you get into these very very narrow

744
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 2: fairways with really thick rough like I mean, he had

745
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 2: a great drive and catch like the side of the

746
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:37,879
Speaker 2: sprinkler had to bounce it into the rough and he's like, well,

747
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 2: that wasn't like a bad drive. And I think when

748
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:45,720
Speaker 2: there's more with like the bad drives are still gonna

749
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:48,360
Speaker 2: If you have a bad drive with a wide faraway,

750
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:51,799
Speaker 2: you're going to still be terrible place. But I think

751
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 2: it will be interesting to see if scoring is drastically

752
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 2: different than two thousand and four.

753
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 3: Cock is also one of those places that.

754
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 4: It really gets exponentially more difficult the closer to the

755
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 4: business end of the hope we get. And you know,

756
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:13,959
Speaker 4: it's got a pretty well countered greens there as fast

757
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 4: as ice rinks typically, it's beautifully bonkery. And what's interesting

758
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 4: this year I was talked to Brad Faxing about it

759
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 4: last week keeping up there for media Day, and he

760
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 4: said it was quite interesting as the cursed strange.

761
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:28,840
Speaker 3: Actually, he said, how many of the areas around the greens.

762
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 3: It used to be just the.

763
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 4: Gruff which allowed you one shot to play out of it,

764
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:36,839
Speaker 4: which is hack it out onto the green. So many

765
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:40,760
Speaker 4: of those ship down into chipping areas. So I actually

766
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:43,720
Speaker 4: think this is an up and that will separate guys

767
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 4: who have that skill set close to the home because

768
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 4: they're being presented with options and how to play it.

769
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 4: And that's why I'm must looking forward to it. I

770
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 4: just said, put everyone in the middle of every fairway

771
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 4: and lit side it.

772
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 3: Out from there. You don't even need to hit your

773
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 3: t shots. We'd like that absolutely. I think it will

774
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 3: be much much more entertaining.

775
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 4: God, because that's what's going to separate the truly skilled

776
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 4: players with nerves of steel than hitting drives into the

777
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 4: furway or just into the first cup of the roughlan

778
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 4: gunageing it on from there. Let's put them around the

779
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 4: hole and then see who's standing on somebody.

780
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:16,760
Speaker 3: Easy.

781
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 2: See, that'd be an interesting alternative of a bat if

782
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 2: they did something where it was like a Part three

783
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 2: tournament et centray to see who is the best from

784
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:31,879
Speaker 2: two hundred and twenty five yards and then from all.

785
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 3: Different kinds of places.

786
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:38,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's actually the In a way, that's

787
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 4: almost what the game has been reduced to at this point.

788
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 4: Because they all hit it a long way, it's not

789
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 4: become particularly relevant worthy hit it because it doesn't seem

790
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 4: to diminish their ability to score if they're playing from

791
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:57,759
Speaker 4: the rough versus the furway, and it's the entire game

792
00:43:57,800 --> 00:43:58,879
Speaker 4: has now become.

793
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:01,880
Speaker 3: The second shot on on sport.

794
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 4: The problem is that in so many cases, what is

795
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:09,720
Speaker 4: presented to guys after they hit their second shot tends

796
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 4: to be a very one noted challenge where the.

797
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:16,360
Speaker 3: Setup is the same, most weights and they're.

798
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 4: Chipping from the roof and Peter costas the same you

799
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 4: won't believe how fast this, but it's gonna be afterwards.

800
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:24,840
Speaker 4: But a chip cop if they have these shaved chipping

801
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 4: areas and you're chipping onto the loose screens with those

802
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:31,319
Speaker 4: contours and that speed, I think that becomes an exponentially

803
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 4: more interesting challenge than the idea of well let's see.

804
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 2: That's where the skill really I like last year watching

805
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 2: Aaron Hill's had those shaved off areas. I'll never forget.

806
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 2: I'm the biggest Lee Westwood fan in the world, and

807
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 2: I saw west You just sat there with this putter, and.

808
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:53,280
Speaker 1: I'm watching Patrick Reed chip in and like Lee Westwoods

809
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 1: just praying for a too put from off the green,

810
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:58,759
Speaker 1: like just just praying for part. And Patrick Reed's in

811
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 1: the short grass, He's thinking ship in every single time.

812
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:05,839
Speaker 1: And that the short grass really allows the short game

813
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 1: skill to just be you know, the greatest short game

814
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 1: players love short grass, and the guys that struggle, they

815
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 1: can't stand short grass. They're just grabbing the potter. They're

816
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:19,360
Speaker 1: playing defensive.

817
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's I.

818
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:24,799
Speaker 4: Think this is going to be the first Open really

819
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:29,360
Speaker 4: in a while that we see that Aaron Hills, I

820
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 4: don't think offered as many options around the green or

821
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:37,320
Speaker 4: didn't demand as much of players around the green as as.

822
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:40,719
Speaker 3: Jimnacock will in first to the USGA, that was.

823
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 4: The first Open to their credit where they were relying

824
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 4: upon the vagaries of the weather to help out.

825
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 3: Now you see that in the Open Championship every year.

826
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:52,239
Speaker 4: It may be the only defense those courses actually have

827
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 4: any course when the Open broke up.

828
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 3: Its only defense is the.

829
00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 4: Weather, and last year the USGA was expecting wind and

830
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:01,840
Speaker 4: ever came, so it just they've turned it into a

831
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:02,399
Speaker 4: pitching pot.

832
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:03,280
Speaker 3: Of course those guys.

833
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:07,439
Speaker 4: That's not going to happen at Chennikov because they don't

834
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 4: need the weather to really fire up the challenge and

835
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:14,799
Speaker 4: aft off course, and nor does Carnelsty the gentleman. I mean,

836
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 4: they'll probably get it at Carneusty, but they don't need

837
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:19,439
Speaker 4: it there. And I don't think they need the weather

838
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:20,280
Speaker 4: either at Chenneka.

839
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:24,840
Speaker 2: Who's gonna win the US Open and who's gonna.

840
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 3: Win the Open Championship?

841
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:28,839
Speaker 5: Oh boy?

842
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:32,279
Speaker 4: Not to fill I don't think Phil Everyone's is open

843
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 4: at this tage. We played one hundred and seventeen of

844
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 4: these things and the number will have been won by

845
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 4: forty seven year old men zero and I.

846
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:45,240
Speaker 2: Keep hearing, especially once to have a propancior driver portly exactly,

847
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:46,920
Speaker 2: and that it doesn't really set up.

848
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 4: Now you could also argue doesn't balance out because Phil

849
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:54,719
Speaker 4: is pretty sharp around the greens with his creativity, that

850
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:58,360
Speaker 4: having no shape areas might actually cheap fill in the

851
00:46:58,440 --> 00:46:59,919
Speaker 4: game a little bit longer.

852
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:02,320
Speaker 3: If this driver is a little bit wayward.

853
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:05,279
Speaker 4: I think he just had to look at guys who's

854
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 4: got a really good short game. As odd as he's

855
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 4: playing right now, I wouldn't rule out Jordan speak because

856
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 4: he's got The US Open seems made for that kid,

857
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 4: because he's got a way of somehow in that overstowed

858
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:22,759
Speaker 4: fashion getting the ball in the hole.

859
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 3: There's all kinds of ugly drama that goes along.

860
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 4: The way, whether he's on the driving range at Birkefield

861
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 4: or he's just hitting it all over the shop at

862
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 4: Augusta National and getting it done.

863
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 3: He figures out how to get the ball in the hole.

864
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:39,799
Speaker 3: Whereas you have a lot of.

865
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 4: Guys out there with a lot of prettier s rigning

866
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:44,280
Speaker 4: is a lot more confident, but when it comes crunch

867
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:47,879
Speaker 4: time on Sunday afternoon, their self belief seems to waiver

868
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:51,279
Speaker 4: quite a bit, and the US Open has a way

869
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:54,759
Speaker 4: of crunching guy's self belief out of them. I could

870
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 4: see Stiff actually winning despite his playing issues because on

871
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 4: Green's Land in a cup, everyone that's going to put

872
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 4: early by by the standards.

873
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 3: Of what they do on any given week. So the

874
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 3: US Open is almost kind of even off the field.

875
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 3: Ethy get putting because it's such a challenge for everyone.

876
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 4: And at Karnasty as they call it Stotland, it's just

877
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 4: a matter of you know, who's going to be the

878
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 4: most patient guy there? It's you look at the the

879
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 4: last two opens. There are two of the last three.

880
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 4: You have Tom Watson in seventy five, Paul Laurie Flinty

881
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Speaker 4: Scotsman in ninety nine and Potler Carrington in two thousand

882
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:36,160
Speaker 4: and seven. It's not an excellent that those guys win

883
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Speaker 4: at Carney Steam because when something goes wrong, they don't

884
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:43,279
Speaker 4: sit and put and have history onics like a lot

885
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:46,840
Speaker 4: of guys and to do so you're taking them Baba and.

886
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:50,279
Speaker 3: I think Bubba Will should probably do this flight home.

887
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Speaker 4: But those guys, they're you know, stoicism is a great

888
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:59,319
Speaker 4: trick to have in and up and championship because they

889
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Speaker 4: tend to put their head died and.

890
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 3: Just try to power alan through whatever the challenge of.

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Speaker 4: Disappointment is that just been hit with and that's the

892
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 4: kind of character I would expect to come out on

893
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 4: top again this time around.

894
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Speaker 2: Is justin rosa Hall of famer already.

895
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Speaker 4: No, Now, I don't think anyone in the one major championship,

896
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Speaker 4: and I don't count of Monty's three senior majors as majors.

897
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Speaker 3: If you have a title sponsor, you're not a major championship.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's get into some overrated underrated Here. Overrated

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Speaker 2: underrated the performance of the winner of the nineteen ninety

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Speaker 2: eight Greater Vancouver Open, and this is from Lubron James.

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00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:47,920
Speaker 7: It suppose it depends on what category we're rigging him

902
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:51,760
Speaker 7: over under As a TV analyst, I think he's peerless

903
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:57,360
Speaker 7: as a drinking companion, also peerless as a nurturing golf coach.

904
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 4: Already lovesy, but as a friend pretty good, So I

905
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Speaker 4: think the balance is out of the positive side of

906
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 4: the venture for mister Chumbley. Underrated, I think he's a Yeah,

907
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Speaker 4: I would regard him as underrated, but it's also undersized.

908
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:21,280
Speaker 5: So it's appropriate. Swing demons, which one just in general,

909
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 5: our swing demons overrated or well, with.

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00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 4: Me, they are. They're more overwhelming than anything else because

911
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 4: I made a mistake about five years ago involve attempting

912
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:37,840
Speaker 4: to get better on the point or I almost no

913
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:40,920
Speaker 4: longer play, and Chamblee has told me for years that

914
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Speaker 4: I was uncoachable, and I think I'm on the cusp

915
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 4: of finally admitting that the little guy might actually be right.

916
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Speaker 2: All right. Overrated underrated shipping six irons. This is from

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Speaker 2: Joshul A Belt.

918
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Speaker 3: I think in general it's an underrated skin. But when

919
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 3: you were doing it yesterday, when the breaking down the

920
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:04,719
Speaker 3: hole in the sandbox, I thought it was a little overrated.

921
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Speaker 3: I would have felt a little bit better about it

922
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:08,920
Speaker 3: if you'd at least warned shoes while.

923
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Speaker 2: You were doing our golf is overrated or under it.

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00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:13,960
Speaker 5: They were.

925
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:17,600
Speaker 3: Essentially, they're neither underrated ruby, they just should be worn.

926
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 3: No shoes, no service.

927
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:23,919
Speaker 2: All right, mamon, it's been fun having me on. We'll

928
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:27,160
Speaker 2: have to do something around one of these majors, but

929
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 2: thanks for coming on. People can read your writing. What

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00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:32,719
Speaker 2: you've got coming up on golf week.

931
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Speaker 3: I got to write something in the next couple of days.

932
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Speaker 3: What it is, who knows. I'm literally used to visit.

933
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:40,000
Speaker 3: Maybe I'll write about my deans.

934
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Speaker 2: I'd like to know what they look like.

935
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Speaker 3: You've been listening to the fried Egg podcast.

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Speaker 2: We do the digging for you.