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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Little Mattie Soto, just thirteen, now believed to be dead

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Speaker 2: when she is actually buckled in with a seat belt

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Speaker 2: in the car of her mom's boyfriend.

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Speaker 1: That's right. Is she actually buckled in dead and he's

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Speaker 1: driving around with her?

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Speaker 2: Because when you look very carefully at Granny's surveillance video,

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Speaker 2: she's tilted over to one side, her head is over

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Speaker 2: and her mouth is open. Is this after years of

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Speaker 2: sex abuse by mommy's live in. I'm just trying to

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Speaker 2: take it all in and from what I can determine

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Speaker 2: from our own investigation here at Crime Stories that sex

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Speaker 2: abuse by mommy's boyfriend and started around the time little.

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Speaker 1: Maddie was just eight years old.

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Speaker 2: I am learning now from a treasure trove of state's

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Speaker 2: documents that the night before Maddie, just thirteen years old,

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Speaker 2: went missing translation murdered. The night before she goes missing,

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Speaker 2: her mother sent her to bed with the live in

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Speaker 2: so mommy could get a good night's sleep. I Nancy Grace,

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Speaker 2: this is Crime Stories, Thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 3: So Madeline is thirteen years old. She has been missing

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Speaker 3: since eight thirty on Monday morning, when mom's boyfriend dropped

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Speaker 3: her off near Hunter's Creek Middle School. Uh, he dropped

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Speaker 3: her off actually near the Piece United Methodist Church on

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Speaker 4: Okay, so she was supposed to be dropped off at school,

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Speaker 4: didn't make.

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Speaker 5: It to school.

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Speaker 6: Didn't make it to school. I went to pick her

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Speaker 6: up from school today and she never came out.

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Speaker 7: They announced it over the speaker, and I'm just like,

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Speaker 7: maybe she walked here, because sometimes she'll walked here to

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Speaker 6: I came here, nothing. I went back to the school.

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Speaker 1: We closed.

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Speaker 7: I got to notice an email from the school saying

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Speaker 7: she was absent, but I also messaged her teacher and

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Speaker 7: you looked at her entire tennis today and saw that

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Speaker 7: she was completely not at school today either.

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Speaker 6: So she never made it.

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Speaker 4: Okay, what's her.

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Speaker 6: Name, Madeline? I'm a d e o I any, I'm.

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Speaker 4: A d e out I any any last name? So ohto.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you just heard the sheriff, who's an incredible sheriff,

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Speaker 2: John Mina, and he's saying that the boyfriend dropped Maddie

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Speaker 2: off that morning at school.

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Speaker 1: Now, we didn't when.

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Speaker 2: I heard day one that she got dropped off at

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Speaker 2: the pc Nity Methodist Church and not school, and there

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Speaker 2: was confusion about where she got dropped off right there?

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Speaker 1: You know what, I know where I dropped my children off.

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Speaker 1: I know where they get out of the car.

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Speaker 2: How come he did it? Why was there confusion about that?

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Speaker 2: That's a whole nother can of worms. If you don't

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Speaker 2: mind control room, please, I want to hear that again.

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Speaker 2: The girls missing, and he's like, hey, can I bumma

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Speaker 2: sing off here? He's just like, so chill, not worried

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Speaker 2: at all. Then I found out later that morning when

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Speaker 2: everyone is running around trying to find Maddie, he says

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Speaker 1: I bet okay.

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Speaker 4: So she was supposed to be dropped off at school.

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Speaker 4: Didn't make it a school, didn't make it a school.

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Speaker 6: I went to pick here up from school stay and

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Speaker 7: They announced it on this speed, and I'm just like,

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Speaker 6: I came here nothing. I went back to the school

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Speaker 7: I got to notice an email from the school thing

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Speaker 6: But I also messaged.

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Speaker 7: Her teacher and you look at her entire tennts today

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Speaker 7: and saw that she was completely not at school today either.

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Speaker 6: Okay, so she never made it.

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Speaker 4: Okay, what's her.

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Speaker 6: Name, Madeline? I'm a d e O I Anny.

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Speaker 4: I'm ad al I any famous so us oh TiO.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, guys with me an all star panel to make

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Speaker 2: sense of what we know right now, including Shannon Butler,

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Speaker 2: investigative reporter WFTV nine in Flora in this jurisdiction. But

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Speaker 2: first I'm going to go to a very special guest

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Speaker 2: joining us. It's Terracina Niles. This is a very dear

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Speaker 2: member of the family related.

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Speaker 1: To Maddy Soto's bio dad wife.

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Speaker 2: So they're seeing it from a different because they're seeing

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Speaker 2: I really appreciate it. You know, in the last days,

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Speaker 2: I've been reading all the new headlines and we went

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Speaker 2: further and got there's a nine hundred page document that

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Speaker 2: I have been, you know, wading through. I've got to

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Speaker 2: tell you, it just made my heart stop. And I

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Speaker 2: understand that you and Maddie's bio dad are reeling at

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Speaker 2: the new information, which, aspect of the new information just

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Speaker 8: I think the biggest aspect has been the timelines that.

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Speaker 9: You know, we weren't you're ready to hear, but you're

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Speaker 9: never ready to hear, and so seeing those kind of

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Speaker 8: The description of how she was found and just things

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Speaker 9: To hear something like that, especially when it's somebody that

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Speaker 2: It, you know, Terrasina, everyone joining us is a special guest,

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Speaker 2: Maddie's aunt, Terasina Niles.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that.

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Speaker 2: You should base hard on yourself at all, do you know,

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Speaker 2: to this day today, I have never gone to the

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Speaker 2: scene where my fiance was murdered. Why because it would

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Speaker 2: just put me back at square one.

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Speaker 1: I'd start all over again.

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Speaker 2: I mean, sometimes it's just too much to take in.

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Speaker 2: I've just been thinking so much about what I'm hearing,

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Speaker 2: is especially the part the allegation that Maddie was being

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Speaker 2: molested by this guy as young as age eight, And

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Speaker 2: I bet anything she.

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Speaker 1: Never said a word to her dad about it.

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Speaker 8: No, we wouldn't be like, none of this would have happened.

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Speaker 8: We even had an inkling.

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Speaker 9: So it's I think that was another sorry, that was

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Speaker 9: another thing from the documents once we saw how many

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Speaker 8: Other than the people that did know, I guess.

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Speaker 2: Ms Niles, did you guys had any idea that the

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Speaker 8: Not at all, Not at all, So all of this

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Speaker 2: How is Mattie's dad reacting to all this? He must

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Speaker 9: It's been difficult to just see my brother in law

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Speaker 9: Tyler and my sister Tatsiana just go thick through any

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Speaker 9: it's it's incomprehensible. I truly can't even find the words

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Speaker 9: reading it just makes everyone really sick, really really really sick.

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Speaker 2: I pray to God, Miss Niles. I pray to God

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Speaker 2: that one mother out there and one father, especially dads

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Speaker 2: who are not in the home when the parents are

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Speaker 2: divorced are separated, hear this and understand what's happening in

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Speaker 2: so many homes across our country. Guys, I want you

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Speaker 2: to take a listen to more of what the mom says. Well.

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Speaker 4: Last scene where.

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Speaker 10: Green green, white cross, white cross, parents, shorts, black shorts, okay, shirts,

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Speaker 4: Do you know she has a friends in area?

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Speaker 6: She does, but she doesn't know where they live.

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Speaker 4: She doesn't know where she live. Okay.

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Speaker 2: Crime stories with Nancy Grace joining me an all star panel,

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Speaker 2: you so much for being with us. I got to

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Speaker 2: seen a wrecking ball, right. It feels like a giant

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Speaker 2: wrecking ball just hit me in the head when I

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Speaker 2: see what was going on in that home and I'm

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Speaker 2: hearing the circumstances surrounding this little girl, thirteen year old

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Speaker 2: Maddie's death, her murder. This with the backdrop of the

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Speaker 2: boyfriend being charged with at least sixty sex counts on children,

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Speaker 2: be it taking videos, pictures, molesting, the whole shebang. And look,

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Speaker 2: the mom did not murder the daughter. He did according

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Speaker 2: to police. But wow, I mean letting the fox and

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Speaker 2: the handhouse. What was she thinking? And her story completely changed.

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Speaker 2: I can't help but feel blame toward mommy.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I think everybody. I mean, we have been following

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Speaker 11: to do about Jen Soto? People are angry because of

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Speaker 11: Timeline that we don't know yet of what happened between

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Speaker 11: be a rest made of Jen Soto? Because so many

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Speaker 11: people believe that she was complacent in this, that there

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Speaker 11: were things that she did that would have changed the

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Speaker 11: But at this point, it just doesn't seem like police

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Speaker 11: Dan's We've been through this millions unfortunately, and things can change.

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Speaker 11: But right now it seems their focus is just on

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Speaker 11: Stepan Stearns, and I know that is what so many

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Speaker 2: Jared Farantino, homicide prosecutor in Pennsylvania Jared Jarrettfarantino dot com

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Speaker 1: Jarrett, thank you for being with us. JAREDT how manny

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Speaker 1: times have you seen it?

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Speaker 2: I've seen it so many times. I'm up to here

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Speaker 2: with it. Mothers that side with the molester. I remember

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Speaker 2: the first time I saw it. I couldn't believe it.

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Speaker 2: I remember the case. I took the case to try.

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Speaker 2: Oh I got held to content. Blah blah blah. Long

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Speaker 2: story short, mothers, girlfriends, lovers, mistresses siding with the guy

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Speaker 5: Nancy it's a power dynamic. It's crazy. What's going on

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Speaker 5: here in this case, the fact that Jen Soto is

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Speaker 5: continuing to protect Sterns. At a minimum, she lied images

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Speaker 5: of the investigation. And if we've learned anything from the

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Speaker 5: cases we've seen over the past, loved ones who are

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Speaker 5: lying about missing when there's someone missing about small details

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Speaker 5: or large details, it's hiding something, something very big. And

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Speaker 5: she's hiding to protect Sterns and very likely to protect herself.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what, Jared Farantino, I want to follow

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Speaker 2: up on something that you just said, lying about details. Okay,

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Speaker 2: it to Joe Scott Morgan joining me guys. Joe Scott Morgan,

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Speaker 2: Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University with a state of the

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Speaker 2: Beneath My Feet, host of Body Bags with Joe Scott Morgan.

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Speaker 2: It's a hit podcast. I could go on and on

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Speaker 2: Scott Morgan. He has investigated at least one thousand unexplained

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Speaker 2: He is a death investigator. Joe Scott, I'm getting chills

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Speaker 1: How many child death cases have you seen where there

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Speaker 2: Mommy, don't send your little girl to go sleep with

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Speaker 8: Don't.

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Speaker 1: Hey, why is he even living in the house? Number one?

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Speaker 2: I sent him back to his mommy and daddy cod

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Speaker 2: How was he benefiting the family at all? The sign

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Speaker 2: you want to tell me, Joe Scott Morgan, that there

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Speaker 2: was no sign this little girl had been being molested.

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Speaker 2: She was at least eight years old, nothing, not even

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Speaker 1: How happened? For years?

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Speaker 2: I mean, the little girl told people I want to

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Speaker 2: and you know, Joe Scott, from all the cases that

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Speaker 1: How do you do it?

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Speaker 12: How do you do it? Excellent question, because we've seen

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Speaker 12: so many of these things where they just absolutely lose

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Speaker 12: And of course we have to remember the alleged perpetrator

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Speaker 12: even says this, you know, he's suffering from terrible anxiety.

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Speaker 12: I know, why in the hell you're suffering from terrible

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Speaker 12: anxiety At that moment, Tom, when you think, you know,

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Speaker 2: Old on, I want to, as I say to the

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Speaker 1: So you just said correctly. It's really hard to argue.

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Speaker 2: With you when you're mostly always right, Joe Scott, Remember

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Speaker 2: I put in mostly right there. He's whacked out on

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Speaker 1: I don't know how whacked out he really was or

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Speaker 1: what's a Benzo? That's where I was starting.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, you know, he claims that he's suffering from, you know,

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Speaker 12: you're the boyfriend that mooches off of a single mom

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Speaker 12: And if he got his hands on these, he's going

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Speaker 2: There's not a nice way to ask this, just Scott,

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Speaker 2: So I'll just ask it. How can you be so

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Speaker 1: And remember he also.

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Speaker 2: hundreds of child porn images and videos. He didn't do

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Speaker 2: was he really. Did you look at this video, Joe Scott,

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Speaker 2: Do you see him standing there? Yeah?

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Speaker 12: Yeah, he seems completely lucid at that moment in Tom,

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Speaker 12: doesn't he you know, he's I mean, he's got his

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Speaker 1: What did they say?

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Speaker 12: You know, just a moment ago, Control played the clip

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Speaker 12: what she was wearing. Well, he's he's the he's the

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Speaker 12: You mentioned the twins, just a moment ago that you

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Speaker 12: I let my kids out when I dropped them off

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Speaker 12: at school. You're gonna let her wander the streets? Oh

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Speaker 12: by the way, Yeah, I dropped him outside of a

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Speaker 12: she was embarrassed to be seen with me. There's more

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Speaker 2: I know.

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Speaker 3: The initial information was that she said, hey, you know,

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Speaker 3: I'm embarrassed of this vehicle or whatever, so dropped me

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Speaker 3: You know, why not why not drop her off at

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not true.

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Speaker 2: He did not drop her all PC United Methodist Church

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Speaker 1: She was murdered and hidden behind a row of bamboo

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Speaker 2: Her items were thrown into a dumpster, including her backpack

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Speaker 1: With a tire iron.

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Speaker 2: At this moment, I don't know the official cod We

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Speaker 7: Like she's got a device sold right, she's got a man.

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Speaker 8: Two year my so school on college.

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Speaker 6: Should be it'll try to connect anyway.

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Speaker 1: And also I want you to hear where the live

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Speaker 2: Stephan Stearns describes where Mattie went, she got dropped off.

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Speaker 6: She was like, so she don't want to be drop

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Speaker 4: Okay, did she ever go to school?

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Speaker 8: Was walking in that direction?

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Speaker 10: She was rifling through her backpack, slip her so much

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Speaker 9: Yes, Maddie was the light of my sister, touched on him,

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Speaker 9: Their love for her definitely seeped into the rest of

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Speaker 8: But we weren't given that opportunity.

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Speaker 8: It's just been incomprehensible for US.

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Speaker 14: Investigators believe the female seen at seven thirty six am

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Speaker 2: Jarrett Farentino joining me Venmin, homicide prosecutor at Jarrettfarentino dot com,

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Speaker 2: host of True Crime Boss podcast, Jarrett, I've been looking

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Speaker 1: His as we just saw on video. The level of

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Speaker 2: It's amazing how when people lie, they will go through

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Speaker 2: For instance, he claims that that morning he and Maddie

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Speaker 1: He then claims he had a flat tire. He then

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Speaker 2: Way to taking her to school and he couldn't recount

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Speaker 1: How does anybody tell that lie?

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Speaker 2: Jarrett Farantino, It's a complete horror show, and he's desperate

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Speaker 5: He's got to know the gig is up, Nancy. He's

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Speaker 12: Mom got it wrong.

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Speaker 5: Mom says he was wearing black shorts, So he was

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Speaker 5: telling the truth about certain items and lying about others.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to go to doctor Jory cross in joining

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Speaker 2: US Psychologists Faculty, Saint Leo University. You can find him

444
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Speaker 2: at Dodtorjory dot com doctr jury. I'm always amazed at

445
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:46,920
Speaker 2: the level of detail liars include in their statements, But

446
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:50,280
Speaker 2: more fascinating is why women.

447
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Speaker 1: Choose to be blind to.

448
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Speaker 2: The molestation of their children and actually sided with the predator.

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Speaker 1: I've seen it over and over when you look, there's.

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Speaker 15: So much to the answering of that question. Because there's

451
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:10,120
Speaker 15: so much involved here. You can see that there's definitely

452
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Speaker 15: a different type of relationship between the mother and the

453
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Speaker 15: living boyfriend. When that first video you watch the body

454
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Speaker 15: language of both of them, they're almost in support of

455
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Speaker 15: one another with their story. It's like mother has a

456
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Speaker 15: knowledge that there's some complicity on her part of this

457
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Speaker 15: involvement here, and that she may not have all of

458
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Speaker 15: the information from the boyfriend right now, and so she's

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Speaker 15: kind of almost treading softly even maybe fearing the worst

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Speaker 15: has happened. But they're complicit in their actions and I

461
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Speaker 15: don't think they've gotten time to be alone to either

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Speaker 15: share what's going on. And I don't think that the

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Speaker 15: living boyfriend for sure, has told the mother that he

464
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Speaker 15: has killed her daughter.

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Speaker 2: It's amazing to me that women will stand by a

466
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Speaker 2: guy that is molesting their child. I don't get it

467
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Speaker 2: to Tarratina de Nils. This is Maddie's aunt. On the

468
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 2: dad's side, Tarasena has do you know whether the bio

469
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:29,440
Speaker 2: dad has confronted Mattie's mother confronted her in the past

470
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Speaker 2: about other things or well, yes, that's a good start,

471
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Speaker 2: thank you. Did he ever confront her about the living

472
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Speaker 2: situation with the boyfriend?

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Speaker 8: No, I don't think a lot of us were aware

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Speaker 8: of any of that.

475
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Speaker 2: Ah, so that was hidden hidden from the bio dad.

476
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Speaker 2: Has he tried to get in touch with the mom

477
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Speaker 2: since her body was discovered.

478
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Speaker 9: Everything has gone through the correct action to communicate with

479
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Speaker 9: the liaisons that they have in place.

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Speaker 2: I'm worried that Maddie's dad is blaming himself and he

481
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Speaker 2: should not, is he, because that's a very normal reaction.

482
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Speaker 8: To many degrees for sure. With my brother in law

483
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:17,959
Speaker 8: and my sister and the rest of the family in general.

484
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Speaker 8: It's hard not to.

485
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Speaker 9: There was no signs, but it's looking back you just

486
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 9: what if, what if we could have done, or what

487
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Speaker 9: if we would have known, And it's really hard not

488
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Speaker 9: to live in.

489
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Speaker 8: That and see them going through it. So it's definitely

490
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Speaker 8: been a challenge.

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Speaker 16: We know this case has gained significant public attention because

492
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 16: Madeleine had just celebrated her thirteenth birthday and was just

493
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Speaker 16: a child. The evidence shows an individual that was interested

494
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 16: to keep Madeline safe made calculated moves to dispose Madeleine's

495
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Speaker 16: belongings and place her body in a wooded area before

496
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Speaker 16: she was ever reported missing. For the four days following

497
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Speaker 16: her disappearance, the entire community was actively looking to find

498
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Speaker 16: Madeleine's safe and alive.

499
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Speaker 2: Crime stories with Nancy Grace, I want you to hear

500
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 2: the boyfriend Stefan Stern speaking to police and what a

501
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 2: wild story he gives reminds me a little bit of

502
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Speaker 2: Top Mom Casey Anthony. Her her story kept changing and

503
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Speaker 2: changing and getting bigger and bigger and bigger of a lie.

504
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Speaker 1: Same here. Listen, your car is seen.

505
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Speaker 4: Going south down at this intersection, so meaning going toward

506
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Speaker 4: kissing me.

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Speaker 13: I had forgotten. So I had forgotten my gay clicker.

508
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 13: I'm sorry I forgot. I had gone back to the

509
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Speaker 13: house real quick after we left because I'd forgotten my

510
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 13: gay clicker. I actually had to go through the front

511
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Speaker 13: gate and used my parking pass to go on my thinker.

512
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 13: So it was a wrong time. I'm sorry, I said,

513
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 13: I was scustimating these times.

514
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Speaker 2: I'm not a morning person, not a mourning person. To

515
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 2: death investigator Joseph Scott, Morgan, not a mourning person. The

516
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 2: daughter is missing, and he's not a morning person, so

517
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 2: he can't answer police questions. Joe Scott, you and I

518
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 2: have very carefully investigated the case, studied this most recent

519
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 2: outpouring of documents, and I want to hear your theory

520
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Speaker 2: about what happened to thirteen year old Maddie.

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Speaker 12: In my opinion, she was deceased when she went into

522
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Speaker 12: that car, Nancy, Now you know. For me, I think

523
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 12: that it was something that took place in a very

524
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Speaker 12: private location in order the facilitation of her death I'm

525
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 12: speaking of, and then he had to secret her out

526
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Speaker 12: of that location into the vehicle and transport her way.

527
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 12: That vehicle itself is going to play a key role,

528
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Speaker 12: I think, because we have to consider all things. Remember,

529
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Speaker 12: her autopsy report has not been released, and by virtue

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Speaker 12: of Florida statute, it's not going to be apparently because

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Speaker 12: we have an involved minor here. But here's the thing.

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00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 12: She's you know, we talk a lot about primary scenes

533
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 12: and secondary scenes and tertiary scenes. This car itself is

534
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 12: a crime scene. I want to know what physical evidence

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00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 12: they found in there. And I know, before everybody jumps

536
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 12: to the conclusion, well, her DNA will just naturally be

537
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 12: in there because she frequents the use of that car

538
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 12: with this fellow. However, I want to know what the

539
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 12: source of the DNA is Their blood in that car specifically,

540
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 12: that's something that you would not anticipate being in there,

541
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Speaker 12: and that's going to give us an ideas to perhaps

542
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 12: what may have happened. He's riding around at this point

543
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 12: with this deceased young child in the car with him

544
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 12: that he has posed Nancy. Remember what was said. She's

545
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 12: leaning over to the left, her head is tucked down,

546
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 12: her mouth is open, Nancy. He's trying to find a

547
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 12: place to deposit her remains and not just her remains,

548
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 12: but all kinds of evidence that would link him back

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Speaker 12: to her relative to her personal belongings. I don't know

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00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 12: where she went, dropped her off at the church, you know,

551
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 12: But later on they're going to find all of these

552
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Speaker 12: items in the dumpster perhaps and then her discarded and

553
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 12: apparently covered, which goes to this idea of him thinking,

554
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 12: thinking about what to do. He's not so out of

555
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Speaker 12: his mind that he doesn't have control over what's happening.

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Speaker 2: Joining us is Shannon Butler VESSI had a reporter WFTV nine.

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Speaker 2: There are sixty charges against the live in Stephon Stearns,

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Speaker 2: many of them sex battery on a child, and I'm

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Speaker 2: wondering if they're not getting a lot of that from

560
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Speaker 2: his phone. Of course, he said that morning he did

561
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Speaker 2: a massive factory resets. Those are his words, not mine.

562
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:10,800
Speaker 2: Massive factory reset. Wow, that's quite the coincidence, is it not?

563
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Speaker 2: That he does a factory reset on his phone the

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Speaker 2: moment she goes missing. So on, what are these sex

565
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Speaker 2: battery on child charges predicated?

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Speaker 9: So?

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Speaker 11: I think that was the first red flag for investigators.

568
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Speaker 11: I think they knew the minute he reset that phone

569
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Speaker 11: that they needed to get to that phone. When they

570
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Speaker 11: downloaded it, there was horrific, horrific images, seventeen hundred images.

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Speaker 6: On that phone.

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Speaker 11: That was at the moment they realized, you know, something

573
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Speaker 11: was terribly wrong here, and that was what they originally

574
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Speaker 11: arrested Stepan sterns On. It wasn't until later that they

575
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Speaker 11: filed those murder charges, but those videos gave them a

576
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Speaker 11: very good indicat of what was going on since she

577
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Speaker 11: was eight years old, and that gave them plenty to

578
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Speaker 11: go on to start to look at other things.

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Speaker 4: Well, she last scene where.

580
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Speaker 8: I want something.

581
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 10: Green hoodies green, wait cross white, cross.

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Speaker 6: Blue or black parents. I think black shorts, black shorts.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, black shorts, okay, abel shorts?

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Speaker 15: All right?

585
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:30,720
Speaker 4: Do you know she has a friends in area?

586
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 6: She does, but she doesn't know where they live.

587
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 4: She doesn't know where she live.

588
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 6: Okay, I asked all of them, guys.

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Speaker 2: I've been looking at the particular charges and I want

590
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Speaker 2: to go straight out to Jarrett Fiorentino, former homicide prosecutor

591
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Speaker 2: in Pennsylvania. There's so many to look at. There's sixty charges,

592
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Speaker 2: but I'm looking. Of course, there's all the sex batteries

593
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Speaker 2: on a child under twelve, So we know the claims go.

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Speaker 1: Back for years. I believe they go back to age

595
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Speaker 1: eight for this little girl.

596
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 2: But listen to this Jared unlawful possession of materials depicting

597
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Speaker 2: a sex performance by a child. That says to me,

598
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Speaker 2: there's a strong possibility he actually videoed the sex abuse

599
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 2: on Madeline Nancy.

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Speaker 5: That is certainly a possibility based on the charges against

601
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Speaker 5: him at this point, and it could even go to motive,

602
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 5: intent and opportunity to have killed Maddie to cover up

603
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Speaker 5: what he was doing. I also note recovered in his

604
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Speaker 5: vehicle was a phone tripod used for filming, which again

605
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Speaker 5: that's just my mind assessing the evidence and looking at

606
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Speaker 5: what was recovered here. It's not too much of elite

607
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Speaker 5: to think that somebody collecting child sexual abuse materials wouldn't

608
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Speaker 5: be documenting the abuse he's committing on Maddie. So those

609
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:57,840
Speaker 5: charges may be just that.

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Speaker 2: To Tirasena Niall, this is Maddie's aunt, Terrasena, what is

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Speaker 2: your message to parents listening tonight.

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Speaker 9: I when Maddie passed away at the funeral, we all

613
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Speaker 9: went as a family and promised her that she didn't

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Speaker 9: die in vain, and I wanted to work really hard

615
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:25,920
Speaker 9: and ensuring that with you know, taking care of being

616
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Speaker 9: strong for my family and also being strong for her.

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Speaker 9: I know that with since this has all started and happened,

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Speaker 9: I've worked with many advocates that are local in Florida,

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Speaker 9: and they've really helped kind of bring all these communities

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Speaker 9: that have reached out to my family. And I am

621
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Speaker 9: supporting us during all of this, and it's solely on

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Speaker 9: Maddie's behalf, and that's been It hasn't gone unnoticed, for sure.

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Speaker 2: It's amazing to me that you and Maddie's father can

624
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 2: put one foot in front of the other. And I

625
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,839
Speaker 2: want to thank you for being with us today. Thank

626
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 2: you and sounding the warning for other parents out there.

627
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Speaker 2: Because Mattie never mentioned any of this to her father.

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Speaker 2: He didn't see any signs, not just him. You didn't,

629
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Speaker 2: the stepmom didn't, the teachers didn't. Very rarely do child

630
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Speaker 2: molestation victims actually speak out. They think it's all their

631
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Speaker 2: fault and they're embarrassed, so they go to great links

632
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Speaker 2: to actually cover it up. And I hope her dad

633
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Speaker 2: knows that. Guys, I want to report that this is

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Speaker 2: a death penalty case. They're in Florida and Florida typically

635
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 2: doesn't just give the sentence of death penalty, They carry

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Speaker 2: it out. We wait as justice unfolds.

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace finding off, good night friend,