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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my.

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Speaker 3: Name is Noah.

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Speaker 4: They call me Ben. We're joining with our guest super

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Speaker 4: producer Max the Freight Trade Williams. Most importantly, you are you.

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Speaker 4: You are here. That makes this the stuff they don't

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Speaker 4: want you to know. And friends and neighbors, children and

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Speaker 4: olds alike. Who doesn't love progress? You guys like progress?

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Speaker 5: Sure?

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Speaker 2: I think so. I think that's why I like video

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Speaker 2: games so much, because thats per section that you're making progress,

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Speaker 2: either in a character or in a world.

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Speaker 5: Gamify progress where you're actually just sitting in the same

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Speaker 4: I love it. True story, guys, I'm sure this has

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Speaker 4: happened to a lot of us in the crowd tonight.

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Speaker 4: But I was playing a game called Ghost of Yo Tie,

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Speaker 4: which is good, Yeah, like love it, a descendant of

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Speaker 4: Ghost of Tushima, and I reached a moment where playing

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Speaker 4: the game was just soothing to me, especially on mute.

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Speaker 4: As I was doing qas for various shows, and I

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Speaker 4: realized I was dragging my feet at the game because

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Speaker 4: when it was over, my sense of progress would be done.

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Speaker 3: I would leave that universe.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, tell you.

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Speaker 5: That's why I've really been loving Monster Hunter Wilds again,

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Speaker 5: because the game loop of it is just constant striving

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Speaker 5: and then rinse and repeat, so there's never an end

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Speaker 5: to it. It's like an Infinity game where progress is

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Speaker 5: always just out of.

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Speaker 4: Reach and no microw reach. Yeah, no micro tres actions

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Speaker 4: on that one, right.

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Speaker 3: No, no no.

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Speaker 5: And honestly I hadn't played it in months, and since

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Speaker 5: in that time they've updated it incredibly robustly.

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Speaker 3: There's like all new.

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Speaker 5: Content, all new monsters, all new stuff, Batman armor.

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Speaker 2: Set, oh, a new Batman armor set.

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Speaker 5: Batman arms, and there's a new monster that's apparently tied

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Speaker 5: in with the Final Fantasy universe, and the game play

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Speaker 5: mimics that of like a turn based Final Fantasy style thing.

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Speaker 3: It's just it's an incredible series. Sorry, Gusha.

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Speaker 2: And the great thing about these games and the reason

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Speaker 2: why well it's playing Minecraft when i QA is because uh,

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Speaker 4: Right oh, I was thinking about that too. I was

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Speaker 4: in well, I guess I can be clear about it.

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Speaker 4: I was in a little bit of a car chase

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Speaker 4: speed speed speed. It hit me. You guys, that unlike

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Speaker 4: you know, Grand Theft Auto, or unlike so many other

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Speaker 4: We love this idea of progress. It's as American as

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Speaker 4: apple pie. Right oh. Also, apples are originally from Kazakhstan.

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Speaker 3: Pi is surely from France, and pie is.

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Speaker 4: Probably one of those parallel technologies. Let's put stuff in bread,

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Speaker 4: Let's put stuff in more stuff.

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Speaker 2: Butter, bread, sugar, What is this? Oh my god, it's

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Speaker 4: And what can go in it? You know? That's why

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Speaker 4: we love exhibit and Pimp my Ride. It's a very

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Speaker 5: Can I ask really quickly this car chase that you

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Speaker 5: many stars would you have been awarded for your mischievous ways?

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Speaker 4: Not too many?

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Speaker 6: This was this was a two and a half stars

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Speaker 6: where you have deployed or being pursued again, is this

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Speaker 6: illegal inquiry? Never pursuit pursuit because car chases always practiced

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Speaker 6: Newtonian physics, so you will shoot?

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Speaker 3: Do you know more?

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Speaker 4: Oh? I love that you say hector though, and I

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Speaker 4: like that name too. It's name, that's a verb. Anyway, guys, remember,

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Speaker 4: not too long ago, in October of twenty twenty five,

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Speaker 4: a guy named Peter Thiel t hi e L. I'm

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Speaker 4: He's made billions and billions US dollars. He is fundamentally

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Speaker 4: wants to talk to you about the Antichrist.

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Speaker 5: Is this like an actual Christian anti Christ? Is this

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Speaker 3: So what are we talking about here, Ben.

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Speaker 4: Oh, that's a great question. Let's get into it.

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Speaker 7: Okay, here are the facts.

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Speaker 4: Let's learn about Pete. Who is Peter Tiel.

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Speaker 3: He once was a small German boy, just like me.

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Speaker 5: Born October the eleventh of nineteen sixty seven in Frankfurt

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Speaker 3: Truly.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and i'd like to you say a small German

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Speaker 4: in multiple conversations, has noted he attended seven different elementary schools.

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Speaker 4: He was what we would call kind of a nerd,

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Speaker 2: really I imagine shaped the way he thought. Attending seven

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and in addition to the idea of befriending people

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Speaker 2: So now he's got to get back at him.

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Speaker 4: So he's true, right, we don't read too many tea

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Speaker 2: I think about it a lot, just how much these

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And look, nobody is saying that Pete is a knucklehead. Right,

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Speaker 4: Pete has always been a sharp student, He's a deep thinker,

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Speaker 4: Usually typically there's this stereotype about American higher education that says, hey,

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Speaker 4: One hundred percent. Yeah, you get real arcane, real quick

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Speaker 4: And so Pete goes on to found something called the

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Speaker 2: Oh wow. Yeah, it is interesting because it is an

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Speaker 5: Then oftentimes you see political anti political correctness being weaponized

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Speaker 5: True, but you would have had very liberal type views

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Speaker 4: Yeah for the time. You know, we're talking eighties nineties.

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Speaker 4: A DEI diversity quality or equity inclusion. It's you nailed

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Speaker 4: it there, Noel. If we fast forward just a few years,

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Speaker 4: We've talked about Palenteer in the past, you guys, and

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Speaker 4: I know, right, and this is so Palateer data Analytics. Yes,

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Speaker 5: Because those founding fathers were getting down in those back

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Speaker 4: So so far we can all agree. The only misstep

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Speaker 2: There we go.

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Speaker 3: He just cares too much.

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Speaker 4: That's his weakness that he talks about in job interviews.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk about how important this is, this type of thing,

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Speaker 4: You'd also here in the States have to avoid something

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Speaker 4: Yeah, check out that episode, because they will get you.

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Speaker 4: No camera be push it on me. They will get you.

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Speaker 4: it like Peter did. And weirdly enough, this for any

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Speaker 4: student of Pallanteer and large scale data acquisition and analysis.

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Speaker 4: Weirdly enough, Peter is very concerned about his own privacy.

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Speaker 4: We talked about this briefly. In two thousand and seven,

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Speaker 4: he went to war against an online sort of celeb

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Speaker 4: reporting news site called Gawker gawk.

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Speaker 7: R because they dismantled those fools. They outed his they

445
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Speaker 7: outed his sexual orientation. So he he said, no, this

446
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Speaker 7: is not going to fly. This is a violation of

447
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Speaker 7: my privacy and my rights. But he didn't just go

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Speaker 7: out and make a statement and sue them himself. He

449
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:04,680
Speaker 7: went around and he bited his time, steepled his fingers

450
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Speaker 7: right money burn style, and he waited for other lawsuits

451
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Speaker 7: to come against Gawker. And he not only financed those lawsuits.

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Speaker 3: Hul Cogan being one of them, right.

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Speaker 4: Holgan being one of the primary ones. He provided guidance,

454
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Speaker 4: He helped find good lawyers all this stuff. Hulk Holgan

455
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Speaker 4: was the feather on the camel's back here. Eventually Pete

456
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Speaker 4: drove Gawker to the ground. It was a whole thing.

457
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Speaker 4: It was very well calculated, and it was at a

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Speaker 4: level of retribution that a lot of people wouldn't do.

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Speaker 4: Even if they had the means, they would maybe eventually

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Speaker 4: lose interest, or they would win one court case and

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Speaker 4: they'd be fine. Not so with Pete.

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Speaker 2: Seems like some vengefulness is at play there, a bit

463
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Speaker 2: of old testament, well, old testament wanted to get back

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Speaker 2: at the people that have wronged you. I think there's

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Speaker 2: something in the deadly sins about that.

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Speaker 4: I'm not sure. Rath I become Raths an eye for

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Speaker 4: an eye, right, So this is the blog and short.

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Speaker 4: There are great looks at the entirety of Peter Thiel's biography,

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Speaker 4: his early days, and his rise in the world of

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Speaker 4: business and tech. But now our question becomes, Okay, we

471
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Speaker 4: did that, we got all that stuff and tally ho,

472
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Speaker 4: very very good show. What do you do now? Exactly?

473
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Speaker 4: We got to pause. We've got to take stock for

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Speaker 4: a second. More than anything, this is an individual, I

475
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Speaker 4: think we can agree, who is driven to bring his

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Speaker 4: vision of a better world to reality by hook or

477
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Speaker 4: by crook. And yeah, he does occupy rarefied socioeconomic air. Right, guys,

478
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Speaker 4: he's worth And if we checked at Forbes today, as

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Speaker 4: we record on Tuesday, January thirteenth, we would see his

480
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Speaker 4: estimated worth is something like twenty nine point four billion

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Speaker 4: US dollars as the stock market, right stays, Okay, yeah,

482
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Speaker 4: estimate indeed. But despite his standing at the Tippity top

483
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Speaker 4: of society's current pyramid. It's not unique to have a

484
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Speaker 4: vision of a better world. He's not the first guy

485
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Speaker 4: who's been called the philosopher king of something. He is

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Speaker 4: called the philosopher king of Silicon Valley. But come on,

487
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Speaker 4: who doesn't have a vision of a couple of notes

488
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Speaker 4: for civilization? Who doesn't look around at various injustices or

489
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Speaker 4: inequalities or problems and say, I think would be better

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Speaker 4: if we all agree to do this thing.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but the problem being like these whale type individuals

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Speaker 5: that actually have the means to enact those things depending

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Speaker 5: on whether or not the rest of us agree and

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Speaker 5: that's the.

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Speaker 3: Direction we should go, is sort of up for debates.

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Speaker 4: And riddle me this, Why do so many, as you

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Speaker 4: call them Wales, why do so many of their visions

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Speaker 4: of a better world also just happen to be visions

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Speaker 4: of a world where they are at the top, en

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Speaker 4: immune from criticism.

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Speaker 2: Top top. I'm just going to make a timestamped note here.

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Speaker 2: It is Tuesday, January thirteenth, twelve nine pm Eastern time,

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Speaker 2: and Greenland is still a part of Denmark.

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Speaker 4: Still currently good Danes. We love legos. Just put that

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Speaker 4: out there, Yeah, so this breaks us to another thing.

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Speaker 4: All right again, voracious reader is old Pete. We're not

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Speaker 4: saying he's a knucklehead at all. He does have the

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Speaker 4: means to push some of his vision into policy and action.

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Speaker 4: That's what worries critics, just like we're worried about Cuba

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Speaker 4: and Greenland, in the future of Venezuela and also Iran,

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Speaker 4: as we record on the thirteenth, why are critics wor Okay,

512
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Speaker 4: worried is under selling it. There are a lot of

513
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Speaker 4: people who are deeply concerned that Peter Thiel has positioned

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Speaker 4: himself as a prime behind the scenes mover in America's

515
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Speaker 4: political far right for one purpose, not to make a

516
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Speaker 4: better democracy, but to upend democracy as we know it. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: he's been called a monster, He's been called a crypto fascist.

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Speaker 4: He's been called a savior. People are saying the call

519
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Speaker 4: is coming from inside the house. He also has a

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Speaker 4: lot to say about the past, present and future. Folks,

521
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 4: downright biblical stuff. What if we pause for word from

522
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Speaker 4: our sponsors and introduce everybody to Peter and the anti Christ.

523
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Speaker 4: Here's where it gets crazy. Side note, We're still working

524
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Speaker 4: on a fog machine and some lasers. Here's where it

525
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 4: gets crazy, so stay with us. Uh Okay, Peter does

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Speaker 4: see himself as a religious man self reported what's he

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Speaker 4: called himself a small o orthodox Christian.

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Speaker 5: That's interesting too, because I guess, and I don't know

529
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Speaker 5: this because from personal experience with tech billionaires, but it

530
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Speaker 5: seems like a little bit of an a religious position.

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Speaker 5: For the most part, people that are like Mega focused

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Speaker 5: on futurism and technology and things. Doesn't seem like there's

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Speaker 5: always a place for religion in that type of worldview.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's something to especially in Christianity from my experience,

535
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Speaker 2: there's something to the act of giving and the act

536
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Speaker 2: of humbleness, and a lot of other things that are

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Speaker 2: considered christ like that are a bit antithetical to the

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Speaker 2: hoarding of billions of dollars and the wielding of power

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Speaker 2: in whatever way you wield it.

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Speaker 3: I think you nailed it.

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Speaker 5: That must be the thing that makes it a little

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Speaker 5: just like inherently the Spidey sense giving counterintuitive.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, cabbles through the eye of the needle, right, bud,

544
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Speaker 4: warning about wealth and the love of money being the

545
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Speaker 4: root of all evil, and.

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Speaker 2: I've counter to that right now, there's a massive political

547
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Speaker 2: and religious movement that is intertwined that you know, puts

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Speaker 2: holiness and wealth and all of that somewhere together, which

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Speaker 2: is a bit strangealism.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know if I buy that there's actual

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Speaker 5: belief there. I feel like it's a method of control

552
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Speaker 5: rather than an actual, you know, tried and true belief system.

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Speaker 3: I just have a hard time with that.

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Speaker 2: I would just say I've been in a church pretty recently,

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Speaker 2: and there's something to it and the messages that are

556
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Speaker 2: being spoken. Maybe it is just something that the pulpit,

557
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Speaker 2: the person in charge of that believes or is choosing

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Speaker 2: to espouse, but there is something to it.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, And we're fans of prosperity theology as a

560
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Speaker 4: fascinating concept, yes, and through apological fans of prosperity theology.

561
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Speaker 4: And I cannot recommend it enough. If you are a

562
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Speaker 4: budding public speaker or an orator, cast your ethics to

563
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Speaker 4: the side and check out a speech by Kreflo Dollar.

564
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Speaker 4: I'm just in love with the rhetoric. I'm in love

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Speaker 4: with the moves he does, these moves, his language is

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Speaker 4: so cool. He's not a good person. I can I

567
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Speaker 4: say that I'm.

568
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Speaker 5: A satire of all of this kind of stuff. We

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Speaker 5: also recommend checking out the Righteous Gemstones.

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Speaker 4: Sure, yeah, I got your worker in there.

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Speaker 2: I guess My only point here, guys, is that there

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Speaker 2: is a difference between that prosperity thing right that we're

573
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Speaker 2: describing here in some of these megachurch folks, and then

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Speaker 2: the Baptist Church, this is down the street from wherever.

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Speaker 3: You live, no question about it, and very very different.

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Speaker 2: In the Methodist Church and the Denominational Jury all of

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Speaker 2: these things. Yeah, there's you know, there's a difference between

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Speaker 2: those things, and then the same message is kind of

579
00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 2: finding its way through to everybody. It's few and far

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Speaker 2: between where you really see, at least in my experience,

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Speaker 2: and that's just my you know, experience, it's few and

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Speaker 2: far between. It's not very often that you see somebody

583
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Speaker 2: really preaching against wealth in that way exactly.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, especially here in the United States, in the argument

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Speaker 4: is being with wealth, we can spread this message.

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Speaker 5: With wealth, we can convert the masses and hell therefore

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Speaker 5: and help people.

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Speaker 4: And wealth wealth as a blessing. Because you have functioned

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Speaker 4: in the Holy path, therefore, you are further empowered as

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Speaker 4: an operative of Christ or Christendom to spread the good news,

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Speaker 4: spread the good word, and also to help people.

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Speaker 5: I think one of my favorite bits and righteous gemstones

593
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Speaker 5: is the opening of I Think It's Season two, where

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Speaker 5: they're in China baptizing Chinese citizens in a way a

595
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:55,840
Speaker 5: giant wave pool and it goes horribly awry.

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Speaker 2: That's yeah, Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I also love Uncle Baby Billy's phenomenal poolside rendition of

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Speaker 4: there Will Be a Payday, which we're talking.

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Speaker 2: About inside the He's all.

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Speaker 5: In Atlantic City, teen Just we can't wait, We can't

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Speaker 5: wait for the director's cut of teen Just.

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Speaker 4: Uh So. For several years, as we record again Tuesday,

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Speaker 4: January thirteenth, our pal Pete has been on or He's

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Speaker 4: held a series of fascinating speaking tours. He's also pretty

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Speaker 4: prolific writer, and you can read a bunch of his

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Speaker 4: essays and his critical thoughts online. Towards the end of

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Speaker 4: last year, he gave a four part off the record

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Speaker 4: series of lectures about nothing other than the anti Christ

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Speaker 4: in San Francisco. Now that we're protests outside. If you've

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Speaker 4: got a ticket, you had to sign up for all

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Speaker 4: four of these. You couldn't just drop by one because

612
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 4: Pete had some stuff to say and you also could

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Speaker 4: not talk about it in too much detail because it

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Speaker 4: was again off the record. It was organized by do

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Speaker 4: you guys see this? It's organized by a fascinating nonprofit

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Speaker 4: called Acts seventeen, collective.

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Speaker 2: That sounds cool.

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Speaker 5: Acts like the body spray or acts like the Book

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Speaker 5: of the Bible.

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Speaker 4: So acts like the Book of the Bible.

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Speaker 3: Okay, cool? Coo cool.

622
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Speaker 4: Their manifesto is we'll give you a brief part of

623
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Speaker 4: those folks. You can go to their website. It's active now.

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Speaker 4: They're not work because they're nonprofit. A manifesto for the curious,

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Speaker 4: the creators, and the culture's shapers. As humans, we are

626
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Speaker 4: all made to worship and will worship something If we

627
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:51,360
Speaker 4: don't worship God, So what are you putting your faith in?

628
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Speaker 4: What are you worshiping?

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Speaker 3: AI?

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Speaker 4: Right right, our own digital Jesus.

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Speaker 5: Act seventeen in the Bible, by the way, is sort

632
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Speaker 5: of the adventures of the Apostle Paul in his missionary

633
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Speaker 5: journey forth to convert like the Heathens in Thessalonika, Beria

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Speaker 5: and Athens.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. This lecture organized by Acts seventeen. This lecture series

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Speaker 4: takes place at a outfit called the Commonwealth Club in

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Speaker 4: San Francisco, And if you go to if you go

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Speaker 4: to the Commonwealth Club, or you even just you know,

639
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Speaker 4: do the right google incantations into your browser choice, you

640
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Speaker 4: will still see the invite page up for this lecture series.

641
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Speaker 4: And when they describe what's going to happen in this series,

642
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Speaker 4: they're relatively vague. They say, Okay, legendary Peter Thiel will

643
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Speaker 4: be quote addressing the topic of the Biblical Antichrist and

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Speaker 4: its theology, history, literature, and politics.

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Speaker 5: Can we all just agree here, maybe that this all

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Speaker 5: is very fascinating stuff. We love the Antichrist mythology and

647
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Speaker 5: the way it's manifested throughout history. We've talked about it

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Speaker 5: a lot on this show.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, the Antichrist has been very good to our show.

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Speaker 3: I agree.

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Speaker 2: It is just odd to have this gentleman in particular

652
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Speaker 2: come forward and talk about it. Just that on the surface, right,

653
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Speaker 2: it is kind of weird that you're still.

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Speaker 3: Pet subject for a guy like that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: And he's not a seminarian, right, he's not theologian by degree,

657
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 4: but this very much occupies front of mind for.

658
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Speaker 3: Him for sure.

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Speaker 2: And and then it gets levels several levels weirder once

660
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Speaker 2: you see the content of some of this information that

661
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Speaker 2: was leaked.

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Speaker 4: Oh one hundred percent, and it was leaked, which we'll

663
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Speaker 4: definitely have to get to. The Antichrist that he's talking

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Speaker 4: about is, yes, as far as you can tell, the

665
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Speaker 4: biblical end of Day's figure the inverse of the returning

666
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Speaker 4: in Christ, a figure that unifies humanity temporarily under a

667
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Speaker 4: central global governance before ushering the world into apocalypse. Sort

668
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Speaker 4: Of the best way to say it going to some

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Speaker 4: of the so the previous interviews and essays we've read,

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Speaker 4: and some of the leaked notes from his talks, is

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Speaker 4: to go to the man himself. Let's see how Peter

672
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Speaker 4: describes the Antichrist.

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Speaker 5: He says, a basic definition of the anti Christ. Some

674
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Speaker 5: people think of it as a type of very bad person.

675
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Speaker 5: Sometimes it's used more generally as a spiritual descriptor of

676
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Speaker 5: the forces of evil. What I will focus on is

677
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Speaker 5: the most common and most dramatic interpretation of Antichrist, an

678
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Speaker 5: evil king or tyrant or anti Messiah who appears in

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Speaker 5: the end times. Guys, has anyone seen I think it's

680
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Speaker 5: the Omen part three where Damien grows up and he's

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Speaker 5: played by Sam Neil and he becomes the president mm hmm.

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Speaker 3: Yes, that's what we're talking about here.

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Speaker 5: We're talking about that level of antichrist, an individual ascending

684
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Speaker 5: to the highest position of power in the land and

685
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Speaker 5: then wielding some you know, ungodly influence on.

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Speaker 4: The world and doing stuff Pete doesn't like. And yet

687
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Speaker 4: that's a big part of it.

688
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 5: Feels like he's yeah, we'll get to it. Feels like

689
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:16,799
Speaker 5: he's doing everything he can to usher that very thing in.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: With that definition, it's arguably less a matter of divinity

692
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:26,800
Speaker 4: or literalism as much as it is a highly stylized,

693
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 4: high dramatic stakes framing for the fall of known civilization.

694
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:35,320
Speaker 4: Pete goes on to speak about this Antichrist through various

695
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Speaker 4: examples and perspectives, as well as something called catacot the

696
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:44,439
Speaker 4: idea or the things that could prevent the Antichrist from

697
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Speaker 4: reaching success, the little things you can do to speed

698
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Speaker 4: bump the road or walllet off. Entirely, it dates back,

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Speaker 4: you know, if we mentioned this in Strange News. There

700
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Speaker 4: was a great article wired by a journalist named Laura

701
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 4: Bullard who talked about what she calls Pete's doomsday road show.

702
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Speaker 4: One example of this titular example, I think a quintessential

703
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Speaker 4: example takes place in Paris at the Catholic University in

704
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Speaker 4: twenty twenty three. Now, as we said, we're pro nerd,

705
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:23,319
Speaker 4: this is a very pro nerd conference. It is a

706
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Speaker 4: bunch of folks who got together from various disciplines to

707
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Speaker 4: debate and explore the work of a French American Catholic

708
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Speaker 4: theorist named Renee Gerrard. He is we said, he's one of,

709
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Speaker 4: if not the most influential figures to Teal. But in

710
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Speaker 4: the world of theory and philosophy, Gerard is probably the

711
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 4: big tent for Peter Teal's mind.

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Speaker 3: The polarizing figure right, Yes, oh very much so.

713
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 4: This guy's writing and his thoughts are really prime movers

714
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Speaker 4: for Pete's actions. He creates something called mimetic theory. Why

715
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:06,360
Speaker 4: don't we describe it just in a quick nutshell?

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Speaker 2: Isn't it about scapegoating and then killing a scapegoat basically

717
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:13,359
Speaker 2: to make all things good? Yeah?

718
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Speaker 4: I mean you can see how that calls out to

719
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Speaker 4: adherence of certain religions.

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Speaker 3: So that's a sacrificial lamb type scenario.

721
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Speaker 4: Yeah, just so. Gerard's big idea, like his bangor breakout

722
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:30,920
Speaker 4: single from his album, is the concept that human beings

723
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 4: imitate one another's desires, which leads to rivalry. And then

724
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:37,799
Speaker 4: when you have the rivalry that leads you to the crisis,

725
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 4: that crisis is resolved through discovering or creating a scapegoat,

726
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:47,840
Speaker 4: an arbitrarily chosen victim upon whom all blame is based

727
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 4: exact he sacrifice the scapegoat, whomever that might be. Across time,

728
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 4: peace is restored, and the horrible broken cycle begins anew.

729
00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:59,760
Speaker 5: And I'm joking, I said, I'm not joking, But immigrants

730
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:04,880
Speaker 5: have often been this exact thing throughout history, the easiest

731
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Speaker 5: target to other and to place blame in.

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Speaker 3: We see it throughout recorded history of the.

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Speaker 5: World, absolutely being a political hot taker right this second.

734
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Speaker 3: This is just a pattern that we see repeated time

735
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Speaker 3: and time again.

736
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Speaker 4: And that's also a structural error of fascism, which is

737
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Speaker 4: why fascism will never be long term successful. At this point,

738
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Speaker 4: Fascism needs an other the same way a car needs

739
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:34,360
Speaker 4: the same way an internal combustion engine needs gas basically,

740
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Speaker 4: and so fascism will always seek to find some quality

741
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 4: of a population to other, to exoticize, to vilify. And

742
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 4: this is Gerard's big idea is what we call mimetic theory.

743
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 4: It has impacted so much stuff from psychology to theology,

744
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 4: of course, but also to economics, to public policy, and

745
00:44:57,239 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 4: of course did a real number Pete reading Gerard. So

746
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 4: he is all about this conference again. It's twenty twenty three.

747
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:10,360
Speaker 4: He travels out to Paris, not hard for a billionaire,

748
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 4: but he is traveling exclusively because he's clearing his schedule

749
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 4: to talk Gerard and the metic theory with other people

750
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Speaker 4: who can understand what he's saying. He is ten toes

751
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 4: down about it, and he spends like an hour on

752
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 4: the Diaz just holding court on his thoughts about armageddon,

753
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 4: capital a armageddon, end of the world, fall of civilization.

754
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Speaker 3: The end is nine.

755
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Speaker 2: It's really weird, you guys, just to look back at

756
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 2: depictions of the Antichrist, because there is not one. Right,

757
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 2: we're taking Gerard as our primary, like, as one of

758
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 2: our primary series because that's when Teal uses right, you

759
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:53,759
Speaker 2: go all you go back to the Bible, you go

760
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:57,359
Speaker 2: back to twelve hundred CE or twelve hundred's. You look

761
00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 2: at all the different writing that's been done on this

762
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:05,279
Speaker 2: character that is the Antichrist as a possibility. Often kind

763
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Speaker 2: of based around actual rulers of the time, just as

764
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:10,839
Speaker 2: like a little wink and nod, like that jerk over

765
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 2: there across the water.

766
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:16,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, just like Dante's Inferno is kind of a mixtape

767
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 4: dis about people he doesn't care for politically, yeah.

768
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Speaker 2: Or you know, written from folks who see it as

769
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 2: a negative thing that countries are working together and trade

770
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 2: is beginning to you know, move towards globalization. Not anywhere

771
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 2: near there at that point, but you know, cultures and

772
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:37,840
Speaker 2: state different states trading a lot more and getting along

773
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 2: a lot more and think and it's cool. But then

774
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:42,799
Speaker 2: there's some folks who really want the empire thing to

775
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 2: kind of stay the empire thing, and then they imagine

776
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:49,360
Speaker 2: there's an Antichrist on the way, or they you know,

777
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 2: they talk about the dangers of someone who might rabble

778
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 2: too many folks that would be loved by the people,

779
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:58,280
Speaker 2: but is antithical to the thing that we want.

780
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 4: And the other thing too that point, Matt, because the

781
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 4: other eight is so weird when you look back on

782
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:08,759
Speaker 4: evenings of your and someone is genuinely saying the path

783
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:12,879
Speaker 4: to hell is continuing trade with the dirty flems Flemish,

784
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:21,799
Speaker 4: you know flems. Yeah, it's so it's so silly when

785
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 4: you look at that kind of discrimination. But I think

786
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 4: are our point holds because okay, by teals telling, By

787
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:35,799
Speaker 4: Pete's telling, the modern world is way too scared of progress,

788
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 4: especially technological progress. He calls the current age listless, a

789
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 4: zombie age, and he says you can see clear warning

790
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 4: signs a growing hostility to innovation. That's like his big one.

791
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 4: That's when it really grinds his gears, plummeting fertility rates.

792
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:54,919
Speaker 4: And I had to put this in here just for you, nol.

793
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:58,279
Speaker 4: He complains that there's too much yoga. He really said this, Yeah,

794
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 4: he really said it. U. And he also said the

795
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:05,279
Speaker 4: culture over all in the West is mired in the

796
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:09,280
Speaker 4: quote endless groundhog Day of the world Wide Web, which

797
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:11,279
Speaker 4: is a great turn of phrase, and I agree with

798
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:12,240
Speaker 4: that completely.

799
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:14,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, now here's the problem.

800
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:16,439
Speaker 3: It's just the web.

801
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 5: It's easy to get into a loop, into a feedback loop.

802
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 5: I think, is the groundhog Day of it on. I

803
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 5: think that's a smart way of putting it.

804
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 4: I remember to leave us a review and a couple

805
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 4: of stars on your favorite platform of choice. It thumbs up,

806
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:33,840
Speaker 4: you could double thumbs up on here on Netflix, which

807
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:35,879
Speaker 4: means you don't just like us, but you love us.

808
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 2: Oh that's it. Do that. We've talked previously about how

809
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 2: dangerous it is when you're listening to an order somebody

810
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 2: who's highly influential, and you will agree with like, yeah,

811
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:50,799
Speaker 2: like seventy five percent of the stuff that's being said,

812
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:54,759
Speaker 2: and then that twenty starts hitting and you're like, I

813
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:56,799
Speaker 2: don't know, but I did like what he was talking

814
00:48:56,800 --> 00:49:00,160
Speaker 2: about with that thing. I don't know, you know.

815
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 5: It's similar to James Cameron is a good example of that.

816
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 5: Like the director, he's, you know, a well known technologist,

817
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 5: futurist and stuff like He's done some podcast interviews recently

818
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 5: where taken out of context, some of the things he

819
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:16,400
Speaker 5: says can sound really dystopian, but then sort of the

820
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:18,359
Speaker 5: antithesis of what you're talking about when you actually read

821
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:20,759
Speaker 5: the full text of what he's saying, he's pretty level

822
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 5: headed about it. So he's an interesting kind of antithetical version.

823
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:25,439
Speaker 3: Of what we're talking about.

824
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 2: That's that tangled web. Guys.

825
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:30,840
Speaker 4: It's important to have the full spectrum there of the

826
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:35,280
Speaker 4: pendulum and the way oratory magic works. And I'm blushing

827
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 4: a little bit because I've definitely been guilty of doing it,

828
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:41,520
Speaker 4: like writing a do it a speech, like writing a

829
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:44,880
Speaker 4: sneaky contract. You know, get people to agree on three

830
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:47,920
Speaker 4: things and then get make sure the fifth thing is

831
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:51,400
Speaker 4: something everyone can agree in or upon, and then slide

832
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 4: the fourth when in there real quick, it's beautiful.

833
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Speaker 5: Those are sort of the tenets of like winning in

834
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:01,920
Speaker 5: a debate, right, You're sort of suppose is to be

835
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:04,320
Speaker 5: have have things that like everyone can agree on, and

836
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:06,440
Speaker 5: then sort of like do your checkmate. There at the

837
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:08,399
Speaker 5: end is the thing that you really want.

838
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 2: Got to know your rules of power? Boys, come on.

839
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 4: Now, I can I can? I can hear it in

840
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 4: like a in a college debate, society and stuff like that.

841
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 4: It's there. There's a good case to be made to

842
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:23,359
Speaker 4: think of debate, despite the etymology of it, to think

843
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:26,280
Speaker 4: of debate more as a dialogue or sharing of ideas.

844
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Speaker 4: If we're all coaking with gas, then everybody wins. But

845
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 4: unfortunately that's not the way a lot of rhetoric goes today.

846
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Speaker 2: I got to bring Socrates into it, ben to democratic method. Baby,

847
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 2: you got to actually learn when you hear different opinions,

848
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:45,719
Speaker 2: which is not learn, you have to at least take

849
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Speaker 2: them into account.

850
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Speaker 5: The jubilee of it all, which is really just like

851
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 5: a grudge match, like a battle royale, where you're pitting

852
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:57,360
Speaker 5: these you know, completely antithetical opinions against one another in

853
00:50:57,400 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 5: the hopes that someone will quote unquote win.

854
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:02,320
Speaker 4: It's like do like the Highlander game for it. But

855
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:06,759
Speaker 4: the other I think another important aspect here that is

856
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:10,960
Speaker 4: related and should always be mentioned more often any public

857
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 4: discourse is that if you disagree with something, you owe

858
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 4: it to yourself to understand it as much, if not

859
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:24,920
Speaker 4: more than the supporters of that thing understand it. So,

860
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Speaker 4: for instance, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 3: Way things operate these days, I would seem.

862
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Speaker 4: Yeah, because you know, it's a big currency investment of

863
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:37,879
Speaker 4: time and attention and analysis and synthesis. And Peter has

864
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Speaker 4: done the work. From his perspective, he distinguishes between technological

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Speaker 4: armageddon all the hits, climate catastrophes, out of control, large

866
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Speaker 4: language models quote unquote AI which I still think is

867
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Speaker 4: a BS term nuclear war of course, the big hit,

868
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 4: and then he says there's a more old school armageddon,

869
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:00,880
Speaker 4: the anti Christ, someone who plays on our fears of

870
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:05,480
Speaker 4: technology and seduces us into decadence with the slogan peace

871
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:06,720
Speaker 4: and safety.

872
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 2: That's what it's always said. Like when there was that

873
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:12,360
Speaker 2: whole revelation thing that got written down in the Bible,

874
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:16,280
Speaker 2: they were all talking about, Oh, the technology, the anti technology, folks,

875
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:20,040
Speaker 2: that's what's going to cause the beast to hang around.

876
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:20,400
Speaker 3: Right.

877
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 4: The number of the beast is anti technology.

878
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:26,880
Speaker 2: They're not into these bad dad batteries and all the

879
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:29,319
Speaker 2: cool tech we've got. We need to get rid of them.

880
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:31,880
Speaker 5: Well, but I will say that, you know, the whole

881
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 5: golden calf thing, like that's a kind of weird technology

882
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:38,719
Speaker 5: or like idols or something like that. It is a

883
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 5: stand in for this worship of something that is not

884
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:42,800
Speaker 5: of God.

885
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah. Ideology is technology. I would be very

886
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:50,600
Speaker 4: clear about that. It's it's a it's sometimes not called

887
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:55,799
Speaker 4: technology because it doesn't necessarily have a physical apparatus, right

888
00:52:56,040 --> 00:53:00,160
Speaker 4: the same way that Archimedes, screw or lever would. But

889
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 4: it is technology the way that language is technology. Ideology

890
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:06,920
Speaker 4: creates action through belief.

891
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, and idolatry is I think you're talking about also,

892
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:14,560
Speaker 2: like any symbol that you put above God, any device,

893
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:17,239
Speaker 2: let's say, any service or technology.

894
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 4: Again, memetic theory rears, it's rears, it's crowned head this

895
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:28,880
Speaker 4: is to Pete's mind, this Antichrist pitch is an infernal

896
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:33,080
Speaker 4: classic scam. I'm taking control of the world by promising

897
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:36,440
Speaker 4: to rescue it. But I'm only saying I'm going to

898
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:40,759
Speaker 4: rescue it because that control is my avenue to ultimately

899
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 4: destroy the world as you know it. Right. Let me

900
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:46,400
Speaker 4: into the house, this says the vampire.

901
00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:51,279
Speaker 2: And create something anew yes, where there is no privacy,

902
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 2: where all we do is recorded and I can see it.

903
00:53:56,760 --> 00:54:00,719
Speaker 7: I know the eye, the eye.

904
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 4: So I don't know why I love this character.

905
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 5: Now, creation through destruction is a huge part of the Bible.

906
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:09,919
Speaker 5: I mean sure, it's a big, big theme.

907
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:14,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, they're very interesting themes in the Okay,

908
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:17,600
Speaker 4: I'm getting distractive, but yes, they're very interesting themes in

909
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:20,440
Speaker 4: the Bible. One of my favorites being you know, the

910
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:24,319
Speaker 4: Cross and the Tree of Life's that's a really good

911
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 4: bookend kind of thematic playthrough. So this is another question

912
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:31,680
Speaker 4: question we asked a little bit earlier in the show.

913
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 4: Is Peter well We asked whether he genuinely believes what

914
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:39,840
Speaker 4: he's saying, But before then, maybe we ask is he

915
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:44,319
Speaker 4: speaking in philosophical theoretical terms and metaphor or is this

916
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:48,520
Speaker 4: a literal belief of his. He goes on to elaborate

917
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:55,040
Speaker 4: with some examples of potential candidates for anti christiandom, which

918
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:56,839
Speaker 4: I think is a term we just made up.

919
00:54:57,360 --> 00:55:00,200
Speaker 2: Oh wow, I got so confused when I was looking

920
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:02,279
Speaker 2: at the notes here for a second, because I keep

921
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:06,480
Speaker 2: thinking about the about Peter from the Bible and then

922
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 2: Peter Teal, and I'm like, wait, are we talking about

923
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 2: like in the Bible, they're talking about technology, And I

924
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:14,879
Speaker 2: got so confused, like, oh no, wait, that was Paul

925
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:17,000
Speaker 2: talking about that other stuff. But no, this is Teal

926
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 2: talking about this. Sorry, guys, that's perfect.

927
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:22,680
Speaker 3: I think it's a good clarification. Matt I think we

928
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:23,520
Speaker 3: were all with you there.

929
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:25,520
Speaker 4: Well, it's just I love calling him Pete though.

930
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:26,280
Speaker 3: Yeah for sure.

931
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:30,000
Speaker 2: So many kids got named after Biblical figures, says Matthew.

932
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:34,920
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, well Nicholas, I suppose.

933
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:39,239
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, Nick Bostrom, yeah, we can recall the name.

934
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:43,640
Speaker 4: He's an example that Pete has a Pete two point

935
00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:48,319
Speaker 4: zero has raised in the past. We all remember Nick,

936
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:51,440
Speaker 4: he is an ai philosopher. He's spent a lot of

937
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:55,680
Speaker 4: time thinking about ethics, technology in the future, and spoiler,

938
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:58,799
Speaker 4: like most of the folks in this field, including our

939
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:01,960
Speaker 4: good friend doctor Day, Me and Patrick Williams. Hey, Damien,

940
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:07,000
Speaker 4: thanks for tuning in. Nick Bostrom is very concerned about AI,

941
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:09,880
Speaker 4: and we talked about this in the past. Twenty nineteen,

942
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:13,799
Speaker 4: Boston wrote a paper that made so many waves in academia.

943
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:16,880
Speaker 4: It's called the Vulnerable World Hypothesis.

944
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:20,799
Speaker 5: If I'm not mistaken, our buddy Josh Clark talked to

945
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:24,239
Speaker 5: Bostrom and his incredible limited series The End of the

946
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:27,760
Speaker 5: World Yes, one hundred percent about existential threats, of which

947
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:31,240
Speaker 5: AI is Professor Bostrom's primary focus.

948
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:35,319
Speaker 4: One hundred percent Yeah, and the Vulnerable World Hypothesis. You

949
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:39,160
Speaker 4: can read this in full on Nick Bostrom's website. It's

950
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:42,799
Speaker 4: it's kind of a clarion call for regulation and it

951
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:47,120
Speaker 4: says we need to build a global emergency system that

952
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:52,840
Speaker 4: can do stuff like predictive policing and conscious mindful restrictions

953
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:56,120
Speaker 4: on technology. And this reminds me, I'm sure it reminds

954
00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:59,600
Speaker 4: a lot of us of the Doune universe and the

955
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:06,839
Speaker 4: long standing ban on thinking machines our terminator too.

956
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:12,480
Speaker 2: Sure, or insert all sci fi movies from the nineties, or.

957
00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:17,120
Speaker 4: Or insert that meme of tech Bro saying, yeah, it's

958
00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:22,920
Speaker 4: a huge sci fi fad. When I'm excited. We finally built, uh,

959
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:27,080
Speaker 4: the star eating machine, inspired by that awesome novel never

960
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:31,560
Speaker 4: build the star eating machine the Death Star.

961
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:36,479
Speaker 2: Guys, we finally have a feasible way to achieve it, and.

962
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:39,840
Speaker 4: We were inspired, of course. But we were inspired, of

963
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:43,920
Speaker 4: course by the shocking series of short stories about how

964
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:46,080
Speaker 4: terrible it is to ever build the Death Star.

965
00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:50,480
Speaker 2: Here Robot. We loved the movie, but we wanted to

966
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:51,160
Speaker 2: go further.

967
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:58,800
Speaker 4: The company is really named Palanteer, by the way. We

968
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:02,720
Speaker 4: talked about that. But do for chapter two. One policy

969
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:09,200
Speaker 4: note that probably from Nick Bostrom's papers, that probably got

970
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:12,840
Speaker 4: Peter two point zeros dander up was the following quote,

971
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:18,280
Speaker 4: Technology policy should not unquestioningly assume that all technological progress

972
00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:22,600
Speaker 4: is beneficial, or that complete scientific openness is always best,

973
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:25,919
Speaker 4: or that the world has the capacity to manage any

974
00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:29,800
Speaker 4: potential downside of a technology after it is invented.

975
00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:32,560
Speaker 2: Yeah. Sure hasn't worked out for us with nukes yet,

976
00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:34,520
Speaker 2: not yet, Maybe soon.

977
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:38,080
Speaker 4: Early days we're figuring it out. You know, humanity still

978
00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:41,000
Speaker 4: doesn't really understand television. I don't know if we're equipped

979
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:41,200
Speaker 4: for it.

980
00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:43,160
Speaker 5: And I guess I guess we're talking about with the

981
00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:46,280
Speaker 5: AI stuff is things like guardrails, which right here thrown

982
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:48,200
Speaker 5: around a term we hear thrown around a lot. But

983
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:51,160
Speaker 5: the problem is that the AI with the least amount

984
00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:53,680
Speaker 5: of guardrails are the ones that make the most noise

985
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:56,680
Speaker 5: and get the most attention and are the most popular.

986
00:58:56,840 --> 00:58:58,440
Speaker 5: And it just seems like what we're seeing is I

987
00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:01,040
Speaker 5: think we all can agree that AI or large language

988
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:05,440
Speaker 5: models used in a certain way is fascinating and excellent

989
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:09,680
Speaker 5: technology you used as a tool, But unfortunately the powers

990
00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:12,120
Speaker 5: that beast seem just so keen, that is, roll it

991
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:15,480
Speaker 5: out without a second thought to these existential threats, and

992
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:17,720
Speaker 5: then you can't really put the genie back in the bottle,

993
00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:18,240
Speaker 5: try as you.

994
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:20,840
Speaker 4: Might, can't put the badger's back in the bag. Also,

995
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:24,000
Speaker 4: there's a huge issue with transparency. I've been thinking about that,

996
00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:29,560
Speaker 4: you know, talking with the different instructors and colleagues in

997
00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:35,840
Speaker 4: academia and in writing entertainment. Yeah, using chat GPT, personally

998
00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:39,680
Speaker 4: don't think it's the best idea, but it gets really

999
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:42,560
Speaker 4: sticky when people refuse to be open about it. And

1000
00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:44,520
Speaker 4: that transparency is a huge deal.

1001
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:48,000
Speaker 2: Did you see the National Weather Services using AI predictive

1002
00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:51,440
Speaker 2: models to show what the weather's going to be like.

1003
00:59:51,560 --> 00:59:54,680
Speaker 2: So what human beings used to look at weather patterns

1004
00:59:54,680 --> 00:59:57,520
Speaker 2: and everything and have the stuff that the NWS provided

1005
00:59:57,560 --> 01:00:00,600
Speaker 2: and a lot of other satellite imagery and information provide. Well,

1006
01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:03,800
Speaker 2: they're using AI now, and that AI is like making

1007
01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:08,000
Speaker 2: up town names and doing all kinds of silly stuff.

1008
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:11,120
Speaker 2: And I'm just imagining, gosh, if we become so reliant

1009
01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:13,160
Speaker 2: on a lot of these systems that are still in

1010
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:16,200
Speaker 2: their infancy, it is literally like we're going to be

1011
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:19,640
Speaker 2: getting our information from infants and we're all just gonna go, oh,

1012
01:00:19,720 --> 01:00:20,760
Speaker 2: I guess that's how it is.

1013
01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:25,160
Speaker 4: And you know, Teel would ultimately argue that humans will

1014
01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:29,280
Speaker 4: evolve in step with that technology, that both sides of

1015
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:32,040
Speaker 4: that coin are in their own kind of infancy.

1016
01:00:32,560 --> 01:00:34,280
Speaker 2: They'll evolve into infants again.

1017
01:00:35,240 --> 01:00:40,080
Speaker 4: I mean that's more than devolves, more like the eloy

1018
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:43,760
Speaker 4: right in HG. Well's Time Machine. People living in ideal

1019
01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:48,760
Speaker 4: like existence, but with you know, their knowledge base has

1020
01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:49,440
Speaker 4: been crippled.

1021
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:54,120
Speaker 2: That's possible, shiny thing, flashing lights, what you've got my attention?

1022
01:00:54,560 --> 01:00:56,960
Speaker 2: I feel like an infant often when I look at

1023
01:00:56,960 --> 01:00:57,480
Speaker 2: my phone.

1024
01:00:57,800 --> 01:00:59,760
Speaker 4: The weird bell is going off. I guess some of

1025
01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:04,040
Speaker 4: us going to get eaten again. Okay, yeah, that luck marching.

1026
01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:05,480
Speaker 2: That's it. Here we go.

1027
01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:13,640
Speaker 4: So Peter goes on and in a couple of other

1028
01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:18,720
Speaker 4: lectures throughout the years post Paris twenty twenty three, he

1029
01:01:18,800 --> 01:01:24,400
Speaker 4: points to other people as potential Antichrist candidates. He hit

1030
01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:30,680
Speaker 4: the headlines later on by mentioning the climate activist Greta Thunberg. Oh,

1031
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:34,200
Speaker 4: in general, all of the folks that he mentions in

1032
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:37,640
Speaker 4: this perspective or this theoretical framework, they have one thing

1033
01:01:37,680 --> 01:01:41,960
Speaker 4: in common to Pete. These are individuals and institutions that

1034
01:01:42,120 --> 01:01:44,520
Speaker 4: stymy and prevent progress.

1035
01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:49,680
Speaker 2: That's so crazy to me, just from what I learned

1036
01:01:49,720 --> 01:01:52,040
Speaker 2: about the Antichrist, and then what I learned through popular

1037
01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:55,200
Speaker 2: culture about depictions of the Antichrist, and then when I

1038
01:01:55,240 --> 01:01:57,640
Speaker 2: went back to my Bible, when I was feeling biblical

1039
01:01:57,760 --> 01:02:00,920
Speaker 2: as a young man, looking at the Antichrist, It's all

1040
01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:03,560
Speaker 2: in there, at least in most of the writings and

1041
01:02:03,640 --> 01:02:06,440
Speaker 2: a lot of the accepted versions of what the Antichrist

1042
01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:09,880
Speaker 2: would be, even from the twelve hundreds. It's just the

1043
01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:14,680
Speaker 2: antithesis of Christ. Right, So what is the opposite of Christ,

1044
01:02:15,080 --> 01:02:18,440
Speaker 2: a unifying figure that is the opposite of that guy Jesus.

1045
01:02:19,120 --> 01:02:22,480
Speaker 2: And you know, it has nothing to do with technology,

1046
01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:26,360
Speaker 2: has nothing to do with wealth, or actually there's a

1047
01:02:26,360 --> 01:02:29,280
Speaker 2: little bit about wealth in there. Yeah, And I think

1048
01:02:29,320 --> 01:02:31,800
Speaker 2: maybe the only I'm sorry to interrupt her, but the

1049
01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:35,240
Speaker 2: only way to like, for me to frame it and

1050
01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:37,640
Speaker 2: think about it is to think about what is antithetical

1051
01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:42,600
Speaker 2: to Christ. What is the opposite of Christ. Humble service

1052
01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:45,720
Speaker 2: is a way you would describe someone or Christ or

1053
01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:51,600
Speaker 2: someone who is Christ like purity, love, forgiveness, compassion, humility, kindness,

1054
01:02:51,960 --> 01:02:57,680
Speaker 2: generous generosity or generous giving, endurance, submission, holiness, and righteousness.

1055
01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:02,120
Speaker 2: Those are the ways that are Christ is described, the characteristics, right,

1056
01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:05,760
Speaker 2: the traits, And so when I imagine an Antichrists, it's

1057
01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:08,960
Speaker 2: somebody who was opposite of all of that stuff. It's

1058
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:13,440
Speaker 2: not someone who like Greta Thunberg, who appears to display

1059
01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:18,120
Speaker 2: a lot of those things in her efforts to, you know,

1060
01:03:18,520 --> 01:03:21,600
Speaker 2: to be an activist for the earth. It's just really

1061
01:03:21,600 --> 01:03:26,000
Speaker 2: surprising to me that Peter Teele has put Greta Funberg

1062
01:03:26,120 --> 01:03:29,160
Speaker 2: in that position as a potential Antichrist, and then for

1063
01:03:29,200 --> 01:03:31,720
Speaker 2: the reasons he puts her in that category.

1064
01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:36,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's surprising to quite a few people,

1065
01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:38,480
Speaker 4: quite a lot of people. And I appreciate and Duel's

1066
01:03:39,040 --> 01:03:43,800
Speaker 4: earlier note about Cameron and context, because a lot of

1067
01:03:43,840 --> 01:03:47,400
Speaker 4: the stuff that Peter tele is saying, yes, it'll get

1068
01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:49,960
Speaker 4: some folks stand her up, but it's also being just

1069
01:03:50,040 --> 01:03:54,920
Speaker 4: snapshotted and pulled out frankin bitten into a thing that

1070
01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:57,400
Speaker 4: makes a good headline, and folks aren't looking at the

1071
01:03:57,440 --> 01:04:01,400
Speaker 4: full context. The context of some of the statesments indeed,

1072
01:04:01,560 --> 01:04:07,040
Speaker 4: can make the little boot pulls even more disturbing in general. Again,

1073
01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:12,040
Speaker 4: as I had said earlier, and anti Christ, to his opinion,

1074
01:04:12,600 --> 01:04:17,200
Speaker 4: is anything that he sees standing in the way of progress,

1075
01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:20,240
Speaker 4: whether that be an individual or indeed an institution.

1076
01:04:20,760 --> 01:04:23,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is weird to think that global government or

1077
01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:27,480
Speaker 2: a global new world order was synonymous with Antichrist for

1078
01:04:27,520 --> 01:04:30,880
Speaker 2: a long time, like all of the powers that would

1079
01:04:30,880 --> 01:04:33,280
Speaker 2: make up the thing that wants to take over the world.

1080
01:04:33,480 --> 01:04:34,280
Speaker 3: That was a problem.

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Speaker 2: But then somehow also Antichrist is not that for Peter.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: It's interesting because look, we can't talk about global governance

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Speaker 4: as though it's one flavor of ice cream, or as

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Speaker 4: the aquarly flavor, because well we'll get to his second here, right,

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Speaker 4: So his worries are twofold. There's a careful needle to

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Speaker 4: thread in Pete's mind. He says civilisation has to avoid

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Speaker 4: technological disaster or armageddon, while at the same time avoiding

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Speaker 4: falling under the sway of one anti christ Ish figure

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Speaker 4: or another. So he's arguing from Girardian theory, and he

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Speaker 4: says anti Christian modes of government are going to inevitably

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Speaker 4: lead to tremendous chaos. That's the flavor of global governmental

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Speaker 4: ice cream. He doesn't care for. That's the kind he

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Speaker 4: says collapses civilization. But what he does appear to like

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Speaker 4: is his own flavor of a technocracy, right of corporate governance,

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Speaker 4: that private company. So that's a different flavor of ice

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Speaker 4: cream to him. And he's also, to be fair, he

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Speaker 4: is quick to clarify in his q and as and

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Speaker 4: in some of his deeper conversations that his primary goal

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Speaker 4: is to repel the Antichrist, and he sees the problem.

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Speaker 4: But he says, I don't have a ton of practical

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Speaker 4: advice for you, you know, again, to be objective. He's

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Speaker 4: saying this in a conference that is talking about theory,

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Speaker 4: not nuts and bolts of policy, but philosophy leads to

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Speaker 4: policy and practice. That's the next question. I mean, guys,

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Speaker 4: what does old PD actually want?

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Speaker 2: What? He just wants to get Cartman to the White

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Speaker 2: House so they can That's perfect, that's all he wants. Dude,

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Speaker 2: it's pretty simple. Or at least get him to you know,

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Speaker 2: get the other guy to Cartman.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, here's his flavor of ice cream. But simply progress,

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Speaker 4: progress in a way that the ends justify the means.

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Speaker 4: His vision of progress, his favorite flavor of the ice cream.

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Speaker 4: Here is a society where corporate institutions grow with little

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Speaker 4: to no restraint. Government institutions and all regulations that are

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Speaker 4: part and parcel of that are diminished, eroded, or not existent,

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Speaker 4: and authoritarianism through these largely private entities becomes the rule

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Speaker 4: of the day. This is shades of iron rand. I

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Speaker 4: know this guy must love Atlashrugt.

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Speaker 2: Interesting. Yeah, well, if you look at the Bible, if

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Speaker 2: you look at the teachings of Christianity, there is a king, right,

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Speaker 2: the king of kings. There is an authoritarian power that

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Speaker 2: says what's good and what's bad and what you can do,

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Speaker 2: or rather what you should do, what you shouldn't do,

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Speaker 2: and there are punishments if you don't do the good things.

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Speaker 4: No one gets to vote in heaven. Yeah, they don't

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Speaker 4: talk about that, but that's that's the truth. That's heavily implied.

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Speaker 2: It is god democracy, but there's also no profit motive

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Speaker 2: in heaven. I don't think. I don't remember seeing that anywhere,

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Speaker 2: or at least in the teachings of Jesus. Hmm. I

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Speaker 2: wonder how those two worlds collide right in both Peter's

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Speaker 2: mind and anyone who's trying to wrap their head around

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Speaker 2: whatever their the philosophical theosophical take is on, you know,

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Speaker 2: the workings of heaven and sometimes hell which came later,

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Speaker 2: and then how the world functions. Weird, gosh, this is

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Speaker 2: too much to even think about. Ben Sometimes, Well, here's

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Speaker 2: here's a question. This stood out. This stood out to

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Speaker 2: me as well.

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Speaker 4: Okay, if progress and unfettered innovation is so gosh darn awesome,

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Speaker 4: if democracy is truly the enemy of progress and saving

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Speaker 4: the earth or evolving civilization, then why are you off

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Speaker 4: the record talking about it? My guy? Why are you

1143
01:08:35,600 --> 01:08:39,360
Speaker 4: punishing people who leak notes? Why are you coming down

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01:08:39,439 --> 01:08:43,720
Speaker 4: so hard on Folks like Kashi Kulkarni, who attended the

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01:08:43,760 --> 01:08:46,720
Speaker 4: first night of that four part lecture series in San Francisco,

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01:08:47,040 --> 01:08:51,080
Speaker 4: published notes about it and they got smacked down so

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01:08:51,080 --> 01:08:54,679
Speaker 4: so hard. Thank you for the beat there, Max Dyllan.

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Speaker 4: This takes us to the future, right. We've got that

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01:08:58,120 --> 01:09:01,000
Speaker 4: full episode on Palatiner coming soon. Please tune in check

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01:09:01,000 --> 01:09:04,000
Speaker 4: out our earlier episode on governments and AI to learn

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01:09:04,040 --> 01:09:07,040
Speaker 4: how this stuff is being used on you right now,

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01:09:07,400 --> 01:09:11,360
Speaker 4: regardless of your consent. Also got a note all the

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01:09:11,680 --> 01:09:17,559
Speaker 4: high faluting theory and very interesting abstract concepts aside, Pete

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01:09:17,640 --> 01:09:22,720
Speaker 4: has met with great success grooming, funding and guiding political candidates,

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Speaker 4: kind of like the Koch brothers, especially in the United States.

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Speaker 4: He has the American population decision treed. He's moving the

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Speaker 4: overt window. He's not a fan of democracy, which is

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Speaker 4: weird for a guy who is so deeply involved with

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Speaker 4: parts of American politics. I mean, jd. Vance is one

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Speaker 4: of Pete Teel production.

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Speaker 2: Oh we're going to get into that, we can. That's

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Speaker 2: that genuinely makes me a little nervous. Yes, boss, Sorry,

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Speaker 2: I've been watching too much of South Park. H It

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Speaker 2: makes me wonder how different some of the some of

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Speaker 2: the concepts like democracy. Let's take as an example, what

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Speaker 2: what does democracy mean in your mind's eye when you

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01:10:15,160 --> 01:10:18,519
Speaker 2: are somebody like us versus when you're somebody like Peter

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01:10:18,640 --> 01:10:23,280
Speaker 2: Teel or you know, some other billionaire technocrat. What does

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Speaker 2: democracy actually mean?

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Speaker 4: And we you know, political correctness being in North Korea

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Speaker 4: or maw era China versus the modern United States.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Stanford back in the eighties or whatever. But like, really,

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Speaker 2: truly we know the facts about how democracy functions, even

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Speaker 2: in the best case scenario. We know we understand corruption

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Speaker 2: and how that system can provide that kind of thing.

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Speaker 4: We know that mob rule could historically be a disaster.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we know that the collective intelligence versus one

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Speaker 2: person that just knows their specific niche you know, of expertise.

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Speaker 2: The different is between those short scenarios. It's just I

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Speaker 2: wonder what I would think of democracy if I could

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Speaker 2: truly see through Peter Teel's eyes, you know, for that moment,

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01:11:11,320 --> 01:11:13,840
Speaker 2: Like how what taste would I have in my mouth

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01:11:13,880 --> 01:11:15,040
Speaker 2: when I think about that word.

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Speaker 4: It'd be very Randian. It would be get out of

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01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:21,960
Speaker 4: the way and let me, for Christ's sake, help you

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01:11:22,080 --> 01:11:26,760
Speaker 4: help yourselves. That's where they go and this is I mean,

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Speaker 4: that's the thing that worries me. This is why it's

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Speaker 4: a There's a chapter two ahead, folks, US politics are

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Speaker 4: and have been compromised for quite some time. That makes sense.

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Speaker 4: The US is not unique in that regard money talks,

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01:11:42,040 --> 01:11:45,880
Speaker 4: bs walks. It's one of the old rules of this

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Speaker 4: country and one of the primary puppet masters of the

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Speaker 4: literal Vice President genuinely does not want democracy as we

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Speaker 4: understand it to be a thing. So lastly, Pete love's

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Speaker 4: biblical language. If you see him after hearing this, you know,

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Speaker 4: I him some macha tea over a cupa. Just ask

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Speaker 4: him about the Antichrist. I'm sure he'd love to talk

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Speaker 4: about it. Make sure to write to us. We would

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Speaker 4: love to hear his thoughts.

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Speaker 2: Ask him about the tribe of Dan and does that

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Speaker 2: come into play from you know, Genesis.

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Speaker 4: Not the band, And then ask him, you know, if

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Speaker 4: you're feeling froggy, why not rivet and leap Ask old

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01:12:27,520 --> 01:12:30,920
Speaker 4: Pete if he genuinely believes the philosophies and the concerns

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01:12:30,920 --> 01:12:34,680
Speaker 4: he's selling to America's decision makers, or is he just

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Speaker 4: window dressing to rationalize the overthrow of democracy? And the

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Speaker 4: institution of neo feudalist techno fascism I mean Antichrist and

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Speaker 4: a brand new currency. Yes, the Antichrist headlines are perfect

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01:12:49,160 --> 01:12:53,360
Speaker 4: for grabbing attention. They're perfect for making a distraction. And

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Speaker 4: there's no denying that Pete and his followers and his

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Speaker 4: colleagues have made great strides transmuting through dark financial philosophical

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Speaker 4: alchemy their beliefs into policy funding an action. Those actions,

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Speaker 4: for now are the stuff they don't want you to do.

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Speaker 4: But we want to know what you think, folks, especially

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Speaker 4: if you happen to be Peter tele and you're checking

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Speaker 4: out the episode. Thanks for hanging out Pete. If you

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Speaker 4: want more about Peter's early life while you're waiting for

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Speaker 4: our second chapter of this series to come out, please

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Speaker 4: do check out our good friend of the show. The

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Speaker 4: legendary journalist Robert Evans did a multi part series on

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Speaker 4: Peter Teal in his show Behind the Bastards. If you

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01:13:39,880 --> 01:13:42,519
Speaker 4: dig Us, you will love Robert Evans.

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Speaker 2: Gus, how much attention do you think this whole thing

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01:13:47,120 --> 01:13:50,360
Speaker 2: would have gotten if it was just a big press

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01:13:50,400 --> 01:13:54,040
Speaker 2: release that Peter put out with all of his talking points,

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01:13:54,360 --> 01:13:57,760
Speaker 2: rather than making it a secret thing, and then you know,

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Speaker 2: getting upset with people that leaked the secret information.

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Speaker 4: I think it's partially calculated too.

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Speaker 3: It's very clever, that's right, weird.

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Speaker 4: So we want to hear from you. You can tell

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Speaker 2: Yes, we have a phone number and you can call it.

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Speaker 2: Turn those letters into numbers, use your phone, give it

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