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Speaker 1: Hey, welcome in. I'm Doug Goliban. This is all ball,

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Speaker 1: all basketball, all the time. Um and I'm gonna dedicate

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Speaker 1: this episode to the plane crash victims and their families

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Speaker 1: ten years ago, twenty years ago. Sorry at Oklahoma State

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Speaker 1: yesterday mark the twenty anniversary of it. And um my, my,

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Speaker 1: my old teammate, Brian mortinaughty was the head coach at

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Speaker 1: Owasso High School in Owasso, Oklahoma. It's suburb of Tulsa.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna join me momentarily, but I you know, I

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Speaker 1: remember where I was, and as I as I gleaned

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Speaker 1: I think what it did to my alma mater and

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Speaker 1: reasonable to think that among the contributing factors to his

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Speaker 1: the fact that they didn't get therapy, which is the

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Speaker 1: first part that I would start with. If you go

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Speaker 1: And I went through this when I was a freshman

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Speaker 1: where it was, it was depression. You know. I don't

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Speaker 1: But at that point I should have seen a therapist,

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Speaker 1: no question in my mind, you know. And as athletes

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Speaker 1: But that's a mistake. And and I knew because one

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Speaker 1: the quirks so who she is. But in trying to

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Speaker 1: and therapist actually treated me for what was the most

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Speaker 1: traumatic event in my life at the time. It was

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Speaker 1: the plane crash, which at that time was like maybe

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Speaker 1: So the first thing is that if it's you or

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Speaker 1: talk to somebody, talk to a professional, sit down and

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Speaker 1: or it at no cost. With your college athlete, a

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Speaker 1: And immediately I just felt this rush of grief, thinking

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Speaker 1: But but a funny thing happened with all of this grief.

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Speaker 1: We've always been in most college basket programs are a

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Speaker 1: We're just gonna reminisce a little bit about that day,

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Speaker 1: sure to catch the live edition of The Doug Gottlieb

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Speaker 1: knows the Jeff for breakfast, you know with he knows

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00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:39,480
Speaker 1: every everything. So so and then here comes like Nate

429
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:41,439
Speaker 1: like right before kick off, like, hey, we're gonna doing

430
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:45,400
Speaker 1: what were your class today? What were you guys? And

431
00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:47,160
Speaker 1: he's like what were we talking about? He's like, oh,

432
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:49,040
Speaker 1: he you know, football game? He let us not really,

433
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:54,360
Speaker 1: you guys didn't show up. So fast forward two days later,

434
00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:57,560
Speaker 1: it's like a Monday, and we got practice and I

435
00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:01,600
Speaker 1: had a I had a stats test. I like, let's

436
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:04,359
Speaker 1: let's say my stats test was like at four and

437
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:07,920
Speaker 1: then practice started like five thirty or something like that.

438
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:10,880
Speaker 1: So I'm like late to practice. When I come walking

439
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:16,480
Speaker 1: in and you and Mace and Joe and I mean Suitor,

440
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 1: like everybody's walking out. I was like, uh, what I missed? Like, oh,

441
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:27,399
Speaker 1: practice is canceled? Yeah? Never never never. I was like

442
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:29,879
Speaker 1: everything all right, Like yeah, go inside, you gotta go

443
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:33,159
Speaker 1: watch this ship, go go go. I go look inside

444
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:37,800
Speaker 1: there and coaches running those dudes, you know they'll run

445
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:40,560
Speaker 1: up to their ankle smoke. You know, they had to

446
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:45,600
Speaker 1: do six consecutives seventeens under a minute and if anybody

447
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:47,959
Speaker 1: fell out, they had to do it again. And Vic

448
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:51,359
Speaker 1: Julliams is crying and one of the dudes is thrown

449
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:53,240
Speaker 1: up in the bucket all because they didn't do this

450
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:56,200
Speaker 1: class right. And like they I mean because they was

451
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 1: the best. He was just such an honest dude. But

452
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:01,800
Speaker 1: every like, okay, so every time I every time I

453
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 1: talked to have a kid to a seventeen tennis makes

454
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:08,680
Speaker 1: you think of them, obviously flying Like I just flew yesterday.

455
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 1: You know Vegas was a game which you know day

456
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:14,640
Speaker 1: was there, and I started to thinking about those dudes. Um,

457
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 1: you know the n c A tournament. Um, I remember

458
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 1: our last practice, gett into a fight with Nate and

459
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:22,879
Speaker 1: me and Mace on the bus, Like why are we

460
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 1: on the bus the day before the biggest camera lives?

461
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:29,360
Speaker 1: But what's going on here? Um? Yeah, it's really it's

462
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 1: really Remember you remember Nate. You remember Nate when we

463
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:34,399
Speaker 1: were he always wanted to travel with, especially our senior

464
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,760
Speaker 1: year going on road games. Remember we were getting ready

465
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 1: to go to uh, We're getting ready to go to

466
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:42,160
Speaker 1: New Orleans to play l s U And we were

467
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:47,679
Speaker 1: having practice before we flew that afternoon and Fred, Fred,

468
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:53,120
Speaker 1: his roommate, his best boy, catches him with an elbow

469
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:55,480
Speaker 1: at the end of practice and busses his nose wide open.

470
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:59,879
Speaker 1: So Nate was freaking out, not because his nose was

471
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 1: went wide open, but because he couldn't travel with us

472
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 1: to go down to New Orleans. That was his big

473
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 1: he he wanted to travel, you know, he wanted to

474
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:10,359
Speaker 1: be on the bench and be a part of what

475
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,160
Speaker 1: we were doing. But we talked. I talked to Fred

476
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:15,879
Speaker 1: the other day. Uh. We brought that up. You know,

477
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 1: Nate getting his nose busted and not being able to

478
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:21,159
Speaker 1: go on that trip, and how devastating he was. Not

479
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:23,679
Speaker 1: that his nose got broke, but he couldn't go to

480
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,640
Speaker 1: New Orleans with us. Um. But no, man, I mean

481
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:28,879
Speaker 1: you see all the stories and stuff. You know, you

482
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:32,639
Speaker 1: think about Will and you know he had a brand

483
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:35,359
Speaker 1: new baby girl. Um. You know, you think about Brian

484
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:39,920
Speaker 1: launch Wintra and his little kids. Um, you think about

485
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 1: Devil how his son played basketball in Kansas like that,

486
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:50,159
Speaker 1: And I called it a game and I went up

487
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 1: to match Words like as like you don't know me.

488
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:54,399
Speaker 1: He's like, oh, I know. Your guy was like, no,

489
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:58,879
Speaker 1: you don't understand that was my guy. Here's here's the

490
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 1: here's the here's my leinster. So I get good. God

491
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:11,119
Speaker 1: so um so um. We had Brian Farr was our trainer,

492
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:13,640
Speaker 1: right with that big jug head, and he goes to Texas.

493
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,199
Speaker 1: So we get right. So we so we get the

494
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 1: winstra and we're like this fucking guy mid major that

495
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:23,719
Speaker 1: comes in. So my senior I had something going on

496
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 1: in my knee and it was super swollen the back

497
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 1: of my knee, and um, I was. I was not

498
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:34,160
Speaker 1: in a good place over because you know, like I'm

499
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 1: twenty four, Like I can't medical redshirt and be like

500
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 1: senior citizen playing and you know, we were good. I was.

501
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 1: I was ready to who And so he's like, all right,

502
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 1: well we'll take you to see doc. So docs like,

503
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 1: oh yeah, we got have surgery. I cut it and

504
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 1: I was like I remember walking out of doctors office

505
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 1: and I was like, we gotta get a second opinion.

506
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 1: He's like, well, he's like it's just a scope, dude.

507
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 1: It's like if it's big, it's a it's a meniscus,

508
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 1: you'd be out like a week. They'll take it out.

509
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 1: You know, if they trimm it could be six weeks,

510
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 1: seven weeks like. Then we got to talk about some

511
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 1: other stuff and I was like, dude, I I love Doc. Okay,

512
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 1: I love Doc. So he took me. He took me

513
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 1: to Oklahoma City and we saw some other some other

514
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 1: guy and he was just like, actually, it's just a

515
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 1: cold muscle in the back of your knee. And I

516
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 1: did some rehab for it, and I wore was a

517
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 1: little a little niece sleep. And he used to like

518
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 1: every time I would come and see him and say

519
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 1: something was hurting, he would go like, oh, I could

520
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 1: just take it a Doc, and he could just cut you.

521
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 1: You know. It was like a running running But he

522
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 1: was one of those guys. And I mean, it's kind

523
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 1: of like in college basketb I don't know if you

524
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 1: guys do it. In high school, everybody talks about o kags, right,

525
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 1: like our kind of guys, right, I want to recruit

526
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 1: the kind of guys that are your kind of guys,

527
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 1: Like he was our kind of guy. He was a good, good,

528
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 1: easy hang. He like came in and we had all

529
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 1: been there three years to other, but he acted like

530
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:05,239
Speaker 1: he had been there kind of us all right, give

531
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 1: me you hey, don't you'll probably remember this a little bit,

532
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 1: but he was trying to figure out coach and how

533
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 1: to work, how to work for coach. So remember how

534
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 1: our practices were, especially our senior year, they were all

535
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 1: over the place because they were redoing g I A.

536
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 1: So we go to the Colvin. We may be an annex.

537
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 1: So one day, it's the beginning of the year, we're

538
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 1: over in the Colvin and coaches just killing us, you know,

539
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:28,160
Speaker 1: I think we were. It was back in the day

540
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 1: we had two days and stuff for like the whole weekend.

541
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 1: So I don't remember going to Lewinstra and messing with

542
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 1: him a little bit, saying, hey, you need to go

543
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 1: tell coach our legs are day and and that and

544
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 1: that we just we just need a day off or

545
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 1: we just need to shoot or whatever. So so he's like,

546
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 1: are you guys really feeling that bad, Like, yeah, we're

547
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 1: dog tired. This is the first like three or four

548
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 1: practices that we had in the year. So I remember

549
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 1: Lewinstra going over. We were getting loose and getting ready

550
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 1: to practice, and I remember Lens going over to coach

551
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 1: coaches then on the sideline and I saw him talking

552
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 1: to him, and then I remember coach, tell him, you

553
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 1: don't tell me how my players feel. You just make

554
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 1: sure the waters filled and it's cold and there's ice

555
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 1: in the water bottles. And Luisia just walks away and

556
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 1: I remember walking over to him over so well, it's

557
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 1: kind of like that deal. Though he was trying to

558
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 1: figure out coach. You know, it was his first year there.

559
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 1: But he was a great guy, man, great, great dude. Man.

560
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 1: You had to filter it through Mace. That was really

561
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 1: like I can talk to Sean maybe a little bit

562
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 1: about it, but you had to filter to like Mace

563
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 1: had to basically like that was that was. That was

564
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 1: basically basically it um uh see. I like that plane

565
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 1: and you didn't playing on that one. Flew on it

566
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 1: quite a bit. Man. You got bumped up to the

567
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 1: big yet a lot. And I know what the problem is.

568
00:31:52,480 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 1: Your problem was one time with coach never me. Oh yeah,

569
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 1: you were always in the doghouse though, Man, dude, I

570
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 1: never I played good. I would I would I would

571
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 1: do I would fly in the on the on Denver's plane. Dude.

572
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 1: I remember coming back, I remember coming back from a

573
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 1: and MN. Remember this our senior year we played God awful, Yeah,

574
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 1: and and missed. I missed a ton of free throws

575
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 1: at the end of the game, so Sean's pissed at me.

576
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 1: So it was this is how it was, man is

577
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 1: when we traveled, you know, we were usually in bands.

578
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 1: So if you played bad, everything was calculated to get

579
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 1: your ship, get out of locker room, and be one

580
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 1: of the first ones on the van. So when you

581
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 1: got to the airport, you could jump out be the

582
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 1: first one on the airplane so you didn't get stuck

583
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 1: by Coach or Sean. Oh well, I thought I thought

584
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 1: that that list was already made up. I mean, I

585
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 1: didn't know I was always on the doghouse plane. Yeah, yeah,

586
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 1: but if you flew on that plane. So I remember

587
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 1: one time coming back from A and M, and it

588
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 1: was it was like that. It was like I got

589
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 1: i was eight, the last one off the van, and

590
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, ship, I'm gonna have the seat right across

591
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:08,719
Speaker 1: from coaching Sean because they sat next to each other.

592
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 1: So I get on the plane and I'm like, dang,

593
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 1: the only seats open is that seat. And I played

594
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 1: like ship. So the whole time Sean stared at me

595
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 1: like this the whole time, and Coach would read the newspaper,

596
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 1: and then he would he would put peel the newspaper

597
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 1: down and pull his glasses down and just stare at

598
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 1: me for like ten fifteen seconds. And then you get

599
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 1: off the plane and get off the plane and he

600
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 1: has one of the managers come up to you and say, hey,

601
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 1: coach wants to see you in the office. And you're like, oh, man,

602
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 1: here we go. But going back to Denver's plane, Denver's

603
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 1: plane was always always fun to plan because you know,

604
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 1: we played chess. I remember one year we were on there.

605
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 1: I think I was on this plane. Then when Daity

606
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 1: and Webb was playing, they were playing chess, and he

607
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 1: and yeah, and I'm like, I remember telling Daty, I'm like,

608
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 1: the only way that you can do that is if

609
00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 1: you spend time in the joint. Man. You had to

610
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 1: spend some time to the joint at some point to

611
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 1: be that kind of chess player that's next level chest.

612
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 1: The only way that you become that kind of next

613
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 1: level chest is by being locked up well, which is

614
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 1: I wish. I think he had a little issue not

615
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 1: long ago, and I think he's good now. He's like

616
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 1: tattoos tattoos now right, I gotta have I gotta have

617
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 1: a pod okay our former teammate Jason Keith, who went

618
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:26,759
Speaker 1: on to start him with the University of San Diego. Right,

619
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,839
Speaker 1: they that was the only time, but but first at

620
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 1: San Diego, they won the WCC tournament I called the game. Right,

621
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 1: and but he's famous as Big Dead because he has

622
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:40,360
Speaker 1: a big Daddy tattoo with one d has become a

623
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:44,319
Speaker 1: tattoot It's become a tattoo artist. You can't make that

624
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 1: ship up. That's the story that you like. If I

625
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 1: went to Hollywood and I was like, hey, I letta

626
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 1: tell your story here about a guy who's a six

627
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:54,320
Speaker 1: ft eleven dude who worked who's like looks like American

628
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:58,879
Speaker 1: history X worked on a boil rig before going to college. Right,

629
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 1: and then goes to college, plays Freddy Stutton and placed

630
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 1: for Brad Holland Winsley Championship, but becomes a tattoo artist

631
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 1: after having a misspelled tattoo on his arm. They got

632
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:10,760
Speaker 1: covered up with a bunch of scribble. Like nobody believes

633
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 1: that story. You know, I don't even know if you

634
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 1: know this about Daddy. But he holds the record for

635
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 1: most consecutive bench presses at the NBA combine pounds. He

636
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 1: still has that record. Yeah, he has that records, Like

637
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 1: I think it was like thirty something. You know. He's

638
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 1: a big old dude, big strong dude. Yeah, he was

639
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 1: a big He was a big dude. Big. Yeah. That

640
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 1: that actually brings me back. That brings me back to

641
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 1: Pat Okay, And I gat about Pat because Pat was

642
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 1: instrumental in recruiting um and I remember I remember Pat's

643
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:54,279
Speaker 1: I remember daties recruiting this, right. We played beach volleyball

644
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 1: outside tournament, Yeah, tournament. Yeah, yeah, we're gonna turn him.

645
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 1: It was in the spring. Was awesome, and we were

646
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:04,399
Speaker 1: all like we all go get liquored up and then

647
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 1: peel off our shirts like with Baywatch, and then go

648
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 1: play play and then and then play play volleyball and

649
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:13,439
Speaker 1: then we go gamble it at Pat's house at night. Right,

650
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 1: So yes, that's what that that that's that's my memory

651
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 1: of that of h and and Pat was the guy

652
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:22,760
Speaker 1: who he had that they had a casino in their garage.

653
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 1: Maybe I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

654
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:27,359
Speaker 1: If I don't event see it rules go back twenty

655
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 1: years or whatever. I mean, we weren't like fixing games

656
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:32,799
Speaker 1: or anything. But we're definitely throwing some play a little

657
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 1: black jack or you know, there's a table there was

658
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:39,359
Speaker 1: the was there crafs table, No, there wasn't a craf table,

659
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:41,840
Speaker 1: but there was a black jack table. There's a black table.

660
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,319
Speaker 1: And then and then Joe was over taking to its

661
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:46,279
Speaker 1: money on his knees. That's that's what he was doing,

662
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 1: pulling the dice right. Pat's house was always like the therapy.

663
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 1: You know, you can go over there and just kind

664
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 1: of get away from coach and relax and everything else.

665
00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 1: Another thing I started doing, man is his dad wrote

666
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 1: a book him. Um. I think it was published last year,

667
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 1: but every time around this time of year, man I

668
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:08,800
Speaker 1: said out, and I'll read that book, and it brings

669
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,720
Speaker 1: back a ton of memories. You know. I was from Michigan,

670
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:13,879
Speaker 1: so I was a diehard Michigan football fan and Pat

671
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:16,720
Speaker 1: was a nickney Lyon. So we'd always have a friendly

672
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 1: wager when they played each other. And Pat was so

673
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 1: damn competitive that when the Wolverines would win, he wouldn't

674
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:28,319
Speaker 1: talk to me for two weeks. You know, Yeah, he

675
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:30,839
Speaker 1: would literally not say anything at all to me for

676
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 1: for two weeks. But you know, and then I remember

677
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 1: remember watching those guys played Duckball two and they were

678
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 1: Lord of the Goals and you know, uh, they would

679
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 1: sitting sitting g I a till midnight playing playing pick up. Um.

680
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 1: Pat was a great guy though. He was always always

681
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 1: one of those dudes where he never had a bad day.

682
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 1: You know, I always had a smile on his face. Um,

683
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 1: you know, no matter what was what was going on. Uh, Jared,

684
00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:00,879
Speaker 1: My members that Jared. He was so my dad knew

685
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 1: his dad, Mick forever. So there was like we had

686
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:10,360
Speaker 1: Kevin instant bond whatever. And um, he was so slow

687
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:13,279
Speaker 1: that he wanted to run with the wings when we

688
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 1: ran because he's like a guard size, right. We ran

689
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 1: out of the track and we're like, no, dude, you

690
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 1: got a run with the big because you can't make

691
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 1: your times. But he fouled the ship out of you guys.

692
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 1: Like he was. He was brutal. He was he and

693
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 1: he was like one of those guys was like what

694
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 1: what I didn't tell anybody, I'm just playing hard, just

695
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 1: playing bro, You're gonna hurt somebody. Yeah, here's the hammer.

696
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:38,239
Speaker 1: I think we should have used him as as a

697
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:43,359
Speaker 1: fouling weapon, you know, like whoever we didn't like, Uh,

698
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 1: well we had web. We had web, but web didn't

699
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:51,400
Speaker 1: what web. Yeah, we just different types of fouls, different

700
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:55,720
Speaker 1: types of fouls. Um, but like he kind of his path.

701
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:58,880
Speaker 1: It's interesting that you're a coach now and like Jared

702
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,279
Speaker 1: would have been a coach now. That was his that's

703
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:03,879
Speaker 1: where he was going. Without a doubt, in my mind,

704
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 1: I think he would have been a heck of a

705
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 1: coach to man. You know, the one my my memories

706
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:09,759
Speaker 1: of Jared or this is not you know, I mean

707
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 1: obviously him as being one of our teammates, but then

708
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 1: the next year when he became a manager. Um, you

709
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 1: know how coach would always check class, have those guys

710
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:21,440
Speaker 1: go over and check class. So Jared would always do

711
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:22,840
Speaker 1: And I went to class. I know some of you

712
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 1: guys didn't go to class all the time, but I was.

713
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 1: I was one of them that was the class all

714
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:33,280
Speaker 1: the time. So Jared would always do your solid. He'd

715
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 1: call you at night. You know, remember the back of

716
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 1: the day, we didn't have cell phones, so you had

717
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:39,759
Speaker 1: your home line and then you had to call her

718
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:42,879
Speaker 1: I d so you can see who was calling. So

719
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 1: he would be calling and like Jared Weiber would pick

720
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:46,880
Speaker 1: up and you're like, all right, what is this about?

721
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 1: And you answer the phone like, hey, I want to

722
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:51,840
Speaker 1: give your heads up. We're checking class tomorrow, you know,

723
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:56,319
Speaker 1: so make sure your asses in your seat early where

724
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 1: you're supposed to be at. Um. He was one of

725
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 1: those dudes, man know that Uh, great guy man, phenomenal dude. Man.

726
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,360
Speaker 1: I can't say enough about him and his character and

727
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:09,319
Speaker 1: his work ethic and everything else. And it's sad that

728
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 1: he didn't get the opportunity, um, you know, to to

729
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:15,800
Speaker 1: get into coaching and and see where he would be

730
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:18,280
Speaker 1: at right now twenty years later. The thing to think about,

731
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 1: like his brother is gonna be the I d there

732
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 1: right Like that's like the whole thing. And it does

733
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:27,440
Speaker 1: speak with the place and now specialist because if I mean,

734
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:29,880
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know, like my brother dies in

735
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 1: a plane crash, you know, while working for s U

736
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 1: it it just be hard for me to be around

737
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 1: the place. But um, and then there's and then there's

738
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:40,840
Speaker 1: and there's Will who Will was a big help to

739
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 1: me because you know, obviously I got into media and

740
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 1: I used to want love to do the interviews down

741
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:49,279
Speaker 1: and I actually texted his daughter because she's like, tell

742
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:51,359
Speaker 1: me the shoes story. I was like, okay, so here's

743
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 1: the deal. There's nothing big. It was just we all

744
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:56,880
Speaker 1: were a Nike program. We all had nice sneakers. You know,

745
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:59,799
Speaker 1: anytime we'd lose, I change sneakers, like coach never made

746
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:02,239
Speaker 1: an of you know, you'd go and switch some out

747
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 1: of dupries or something, and like we always had, and

748
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:07,399
Speaker 1: here's our s I d and he wore. I think

749
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:09,799
Speaker 1: they were like a new balance and they it was

750
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 1: like the same pair for three years. And he just

751
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:15,400
Speaker 1: liked them. And I was like, somebody gave him some sneakers,

752
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 1: like can we get you? No, No, I like these sneakers,

753
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 1: like go wash them. They look terrible, look terrible. But

754
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:23,800
Speaker 1: he was the nicest, like he knew how to because

755
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:26,280
Speaker 1: you know, I got like media probable. I'd say something

756
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 1: I said one time the Sports illustrated that Kansas guards

757
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 1: are guards are better Kansas guards. Yeah, but uh so

758
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:38,839
Speaker 1: I would get like media probation, and he would work

759
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 1: coach to be like coach, I think this is important

760
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 1: for them. And it really helped my career, helped me

761
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 1: becomes somebody. What do you remember about Will will Man?

762
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 1: He was remember our last game and g I A.

763
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 1: We lost to OU, and we were all piste off

764
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:59,319
Speaker 1: and devastated, like big time man. And and this is

765
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 1: a kind of relay ship that I think we all

766
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 1: had with Will. You know. Will remember Will was trying

767
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:07,399
Speaker 1: to get some of us to go up and talk

768
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 1: to the media after the game. And that's the last

769
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 1: thing you wanted to do, you know, losing to your

770
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 1: arch rival at home on senior night and then go

771
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 1: up and and and face the media and answer questions

772
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 1: and talk about how great they were. I remember Will

773
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:22,759
Speaker 1: coming to me. He's like, hey, man, I need you,

774
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 1: I need you. You know, I said, I know you

775
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 1: don't want to do it, but I need you to

776
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 1: do me a favor. And when he said that, even

777
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:33,319
Speaker 1: though I didn't want to go, but because of the

778
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 1: guy that Will was and the way he treated me

779
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 1: and the way he treated us and everything else, you know,

780
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 1: I didn't feel obligated to it. I felt like like

781
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 1: he he needed someone to go up there and face

782
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 1: the music and everything else. And and I was gonna

783
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:48,880
Speaker 1: do it because of not the way he asked me,

784
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 1: but because he was our guy, you know, he was

785
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:57,359
Speaker 1: He's always very caring very giving. Um, you know one

786
00:42:57,400 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 1: of those guys too. He's just like one of those

787
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 1: dudes that was always happy. Man, never had a bad day.

788
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:05,440
Speaker 1: So if you're so, so, here's here's the question kind

789
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 1: of instimmation and I want to go back. We'll do

790
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 1: another one and we'll do more kind of about your

791
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 1: life in your career. Your high school coach now in

792
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 1: a good one in Oklahoma, right a lasso? Um, how

793
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:20,279
Speaker 1: twenty years later? And I know you you you think

794
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:23,879
Speaker 1: of them often oftentimes, But how has it affected you

795
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 1: in terms of how you deal with your own players,

796
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:31,360
Speaker 1: with your own kids. Um, I have my like my

797
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 1: own thoughts. I'm just I'm wondering if there's any part

798
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 1: of you that, especially this time of year, mentions it

799
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 1: to your guys and and has a specific way in

800
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 1: which you coach, teach or lead your lead your players.

801
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:45,240
Speaker 1: So any team that I've ever coached or been apart

802
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 1: knows the history and story of the ten um like yesterday,

803
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 1: we you know a lot of these guys have played

804
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 1: for me for multiple years. Um, and there's some new guys.

805
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:58,400
Speaker 1: But you know there's a video that I have that

806
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 1: I show and and and it talks about the guys

807
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 1: and everything else. And then I explained to how special

808
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 1: those guys were and what they meant to our program

809
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:10,840
Speaker 1: and what they meant to us individually. And you know,

810
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 1: I I coach because you know, it's in my blood

811
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 1: from playing for coach and and the experience that I

812
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 1: had at os U. UM, but more importantly the impact, UM,

813
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:24,759
Speaker 1: that I feel like I can have on these young

814
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 1: men's lives, you know. And it's not just about being

815
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 1: on the court having success, but it's about off the court.

816
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 1: You know, I generally love these guys, um, you know,

817
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 1: and and I tell them that, and we we tell

818
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 1: each other that. And that's that's one thing that you know,

819
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:40,759
Speaker 1: one of the multiple things that I took away from

820
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:42,839
Speaker 1: the plane crashes. You know, we have to tell each

821
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 1: other all the time that we love each other or

822
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 1: our feelings for each other because we don't know, you know,

823
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 1: what tomorrow brings, and and our teams are, you know,

824
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:56,880
Speaker 1: we're really close knit group. UM. All of our teams

825
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 1: have been UM. You know, I got a text from

826
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:02,800
Speaker 1: a guy last night and his son is a junior

827
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 1: at os U right now, and I coached him in

828
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 1: sixth grade, and his dad reached out to me and said,

829
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 1: I remember you taking those six Traders down there and

830
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:13,799
Speaker 1: we played in the tournament. We had to stop by

831
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 1: g i A because I wanted to tell the story

832
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:18,840
Speaker 1: about those guys. You know, I feel like it's important

833
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 1: we made a we made a bond in a pack,

834
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 1: you know, twenty years ago that you know, we'll always remember.

835
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 1: You know, we're never gonna forget. But I feel like

836
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 1: it's important for us that we we we continually spread

837
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:33,319
Speaker 1: the word about those guys and what they meant to

838
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 1: us in our programs and and also the families of

839
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:40,839
Speaker 1: the people um that they were they were associated with.

840
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 1: So it's it's a big deal. Man. Like any time

841
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:44,879
Speaker 1: I get to talk about those guys, I love it, man.

842
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 1: You know, I talk about our memories and talk about

843
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:51,440
Speaker 1: our trip to Buffalo, uh, you know, going to Niagara

844
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:54,439
Speaker 1: Falls and and how wide eyed and bushy tail Nate

845
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:56,880
Speaker 1: was and how you know, he was like the little

846
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 1: puppy dog that just wagged his tail around and just

847
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:01,360
Speaker 1: licked everything. He was just all over the place. And

848
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 1: you'd be tired and practice or something, and he's playing

849
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:07,360
Speaker 1: as hard as possible and you know, filling like crazy,

850
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 1: and you know, He's just just those stories, man, I

851
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 1: mean they live on, you know, and I I can't

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Speaker 1: believe it was It's been twenty years, you know, and

853
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:17,760
Speaker 1: and you know, sometimes it feels like it was yesterday,

854
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 1: and sometimes it does feel like it's been twenty years,

855
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 1: you know, half of a lifetime. Yeah, it's interesting. We

856
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 1: gotta wrap on this. But you know, there's a lot

857
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:32,279
Speaker 1: of talk about all these these poor kids. You know,

858
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 1: they've got no way around, they're just playing games. I'm like,

859
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 1: are you kidding me? That was the best part. This

860
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 1: is the best part. Everybody else got in the way,

861
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 1: right the trips in the n c A tournament and

862
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:47,280
Speaker 1: staying in Buffalo. It was a stupid idea. We should

863
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:51,400
Speaker 1: have come home, but it was the best. It's the best,

864
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:54,359
Speaker 1: you know, from different pledges to the country. Y'all love ball.

865
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Speaker 1: You know you're fighting for a common cause and you know,

866
00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:00,759
Speaker 1: for your own future. Like I don't. I I see

867
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:03,799
Speaker 1: it completely differently than than some of these people. But

868
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Speaker 1: I can't believe it's twenty years ago. But you are

869
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:11,959
Speaker 1: doing a great job. Um. I appreciate spread the word.

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00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 1: All right, let's catch up again soon. I do want

871
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:16,840
Speaker 1: to talk about your son and about raising kind of

872
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:19,880
Speaker 1: phenomen who has just like you were no, but you

873
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 1: were under the radar, like nobody ever heard of you.

874
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 1: Everybody six right now, he's he's a. He's a. He's different, man,

875
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Speaker 1: It's gonna be fun. Don't don't do that. He's built different.

876
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 1: He's different. I know, I know, but my kids like

877
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:40,399
Speaker 1: I'm built I'm built different, and like no, no, no,

878
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:42,880
Speaker 1: he's got a lot of he's got a lot of

879
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 1: work to do. But it's gonna be fun the next

880
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:50,440
Speaker 1: few years with you, Hey man, I love you. Thanks.

881
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 1: Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug

882
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 1: gott Leap Show week days at three p m. Easter

883
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:59,359
Speaker 1: noon Pacific. So look on this pod. We can We've

884
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:03,239
Speaker 1: talked about million things and we'll we'll tell you more

885
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 1: stories that you may relate to. But it was twenty

886
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:09,799
Speaker 1: years ago, and I know how much it affected the

887
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 1: sport because I was in Russia at the time and

888
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 1: the sports world stopped. And even to this day when

889
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:19,319
Speaker 1: it comes up, when it's brought up, you'll have a

890
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 1: referee stop by goes man. I was at the Missouri

891
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:25,279
Speaker 1: game right afterwards. It was incredibly emotional. I was I

892
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 1: called the Oklahoma game when Kelvin Sampson was hated as

893
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:31,840
Speaker 1: the rival coach, came out with the T shirt with

894
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 1: all the men's names on it. You look up in

895
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 1: the rafters and you see that number ten. There's no

896
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:40,239
Speaker 1: numbers that are retired OCAM state except the number ten.

897
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 1: And that's why. Um, now you know why. I really

898
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 1: do appreciate your list of this pot. I hope you

899
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Speaker 1: related to it, and I hope you can hug your

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00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:51,319
Speaker 1: loved ones. And if you're a coach, you hug your kids.

901
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 1: If your player, you tell your teammates and your coaches

902
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:55,799
Speaker 1: how much you care about them. On Doug Gottlieb, this

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Speaker 1: is all ball