WEBVTT - Lightning in a Bottle 0:00:00.880 --> 0:00:05.400 Boom. If you thought four hours a day, minutes a 0:00:05.440 --> 0:00:09.119 week was enough, I think again. He's the last remnants 0:00:09.119 --> 0:00:12.400 of the old republic, a sole fashion of fairness. He 0:00:12.520 --> 0:00:15.440 treats crackheads in the Ghetto Cutter the same as the 0:00:15.560 --> 0:00:19.560 rich pill poppers in the penthouse the clearing House of 0:00:19.560 --> 0:00:23.360 Hot takes break free for something special. The Fifth Hour 0:00:23.520 --> 0:00:28.400 with Ben Maller starts right now. That it does, and 0:00:28.840 --> 0:00:30.800 I hope you're having a good day to day as 0:00:30.840 --> 0:00:34.879 you practice social distancing. The coronavirus continuing on, and we 0:00:34.920 --> 0:00:38.320 have a special edition. Why is this edition of The 0:00:38.320 --> 0:00:41.680 Fifth Hour with Ben Maller and David Gascon different than 0:00:41.800 --> 0:00:45.120 all previous editions of this dopey little podcast that we 0:00:45.159 --> 0:00:49.360 do because we pop our cherry for the first time. 0:00:49.960 --> 0:00:53.159 We have a guest, and I don't usually do guests 0:00:53.200 --> 0:00:56.160 on the Overnight Show. It's just me and a microphone 0:00:56.280 --> 0:00:58.800 and a bunch of crazy people calling up, and that's 0:00:58.800 --> 0:01:01.480 what the way we've done it. And but there's only 0:01:01.480 --> 0:01:03.120 a few people I really want to talk to, and 0:01:03.200 --> 0:01:07.520 one of them we have on today, the great Lenny Dikstra, 0:01:07.880 --> 0:01:11.640 and I I love Lenny. Now if you're I don't 0:01:11.680 --> 0:01:13.200 know how you did not know who Lenny is if 0:01:13.200 --> 0:01:16.440 you're listening to up possibly a sports based podcast. But 0:01:17.160 --> 0:01:19.920 I have ranted for years that life is all about 0:01:19.959 --> 0:01:22.440 the stories. That's all about the stories, the people you meet, 0:01:22.480 --> 0:01:24.360 the places you go along the road of life. And 0:01:24.400 --> 0:01:27.959 nobody has more stories in the world of baseball than 0:01:28.120 --> 0:01:30.960 Lenny Dikester. This guy was part of the nineteen eight 0:01:31.160 --> 0:01:35.520 six Mets, the the biggest frat boy team in my life, 0:01:35.600 --> 0:01:40.120 the eighties six match. He became the incredible Hulk on steroids. 0:01:40.600 --> 0:01:44.440 In fact, he was such an incredible hulk that he's 0:01:44.480 --> 0:01:47.760 the last player at at five ft nine, Lenny Dikester 0:01:47.840 --> 0:01:50.760 was the last player in Major League Baseball to lead 0:01:50.800 --> 0:01:53.680 the league in both hits and walks the same season 0:01:53.760 --> 0:01:56.880 when he was all routed up with the Philadelphia Phillies 0:01:56.960 --> 0:02:00.120 in the early nineties, he ran car washes UH for 0:02:00.120 --> 0:02:02.880 a while, and we didn't even get into that. Uh 0:02:03.160 --> 0:02:06.120 wrote a book. He's been to jail. He was considered 0:02:06.120 --> 0:02:09.160 a Wall Street tycoon at one point. He lost everything, 0:02:09.200 --> 0:02:14.079 went to prison, drug rehab, the whole thing, and we 0:02:14.120 --> 0:02:17.600 even touch on his Howard's Stern interview is famous. Howard 0:02:17.600 --> 0:02:19.239 Stren interview from a couple of years ago, but I 0:02:19.480 --> 0:02:22.240 would say the highlights of what you have to look 0:02:22.240 --> 0:02:24.080 forward to in Giscon. You can touch this up if 0:02:24.080 --> 0:02:26.240 you want. I think the part where he talks he 0:02:26.240 --> 0:02:30.000 tells a story about uh Barry Bonds that I had 0:02:30.040 --> 0:02:35.960 not heard before, and he delves into Donald Trump as well, 0:02:36.000 --> 0:02:38.960 and something that the President of the United States is 0:02:39.560 --> 0:02:44.440 apparently planning to do to help Lenny dikest out. Everything 0:02:44.480 --> 0:02:48.360 that we went through reminds me of the summer of 0:02:48.360 --> 0:02:50.919 twenty nineteen when you told me to watch the Al 0:02:51.000 --> 0:02:58.079 Jazeera documentary on steroid and performance enhancing drugs. Because from 0:02:58.120 --> 0:03:00.679 talking to him, he was out of the curve and 0:03:00.720 --> 0:03:04.040 he was one step ahead of everybody else during his time. 0:03:04.040 --> 0:03:07.120 He was truly a pioneer. Yeah, and I had not 0:03:07.280 --> 0:03:09.400 heard the story. Maybe he wrote about it. I didn't 0:03:09.400 --> 0:03:11.560 see in his book, but he told the story about 0:03:11.560 --> 0:03:15.600 how he first stumbled into steroids. And it's a facinating 0:03:15.840 --> 0:03:19.639 It involves a public library and Mississippi is what it falls, 0:03:19.800 --> 0:03:22.440 which is just just crazy. So I don't want to 0:03:22.440 --> 0:03:24.360 give it away. I don't want to spoil it. Uh, 0:03:24.440 --> 0:03:27.400 it is amazing. Give it up now for the man, 0:03:27.480 --> 0:03:30.040 the myth, the legend Lenny Dixtra, and we begin by 0:03:30.120 --> 0:03:36.040 asking Lenny his thoughts on the current situation involving the coronavirus. 0:03:36.920 --> 0:03:39.680 I'm not straighted out and I don't think it's bullshit. 0:03:39.880 --> 0:03:42.800 So I mean, you know, today they announces over a 0:03:42.880 --> 0:03:46.480 thousand deaths now and in the United States. But I 0:03:46.520 --> 0:03:50.520 mean the bottom line is is when there's uncertainty, uh, 0:03:50.760 --> 0:03:53.839 people just don't know what to do and and and 0:03:54.000 --> 0:03:57.480 that's where the panic comes. Uh. You know, life is 0:03:57.520 --> 0:04:01.120 about trying to get yourself in a predictable situation, whether 0:04:01.160 --> 0:04:03.320 you're playing baseball and trying to get to get ahead 0:04:03.320 --> 0:04:06.880 of the count or anything else in life. And this 0:04:06.960 --> 0:04:10.800 is so unpredictable. So it's it's something like we're kind 0:04:10.800 --> 0:04:13.800 of hunchartered waters. You know. Yeah, now, have you been 0:04:13.800 --> 0:04:16.159 out shopping because I've noticed when I've gone to the 0:04:16.200 --> 0:04:17.800 store and I've only had to do it a couple 0:04:17.839 --> 0:04:19.400 of times a last week because I've been staying home. 0:04:19.520 --> 0:04:22.720 But uh, I think you're in California as I am. 0:04:22.839 --> 0:04:25.640 But people they give you these weird looks like maybe 0:04:25.680 --> 0:04:27.560 not you because they might know who you are, but me, 0:04:27.720 --> 0:04:30.080 they like give you these deaths stairs like they treat 0:04:30.120 --> 0:04:32.039 you like you got to plague or something like, it's crazy. 0:04:32.080 --> 0:04:34.800 Have you experienced any of that? And that's how I 0:04:34.839 --> 0:04:38.160 feel when I get my adderall Field, the brook and pharmacy. 0:04:39.960 --> 0:04:42.799 They look at me like I'm sucking, uh getting heroin 0:04:42.960 --> 0:04:45.160 or something. But you don't know. I have. I have 0:04:45.400 --> 0:04:49.440 and people are shared, but I'm not scared. Um, I 0:04:49.520 --> 0:04:53.120 haven't had a cold point five years. Man. I'm I'm 0:04:53.320 --> 0:04:58.080 I'm bulletproofed dude. And I mean, obviously I've had some 0:04:58.400 --> 0:05:02.080 ups and downs. I think would be st say, yeah, 0:05:02.120 --> 0:05:04.359 you've had a couple a few, you've had a bumpy 0:05:04.440 --> 0:05:07.040 Speaking of the bumpy ride though, Lendy, what now when 0:05:07.120 --> 0:05:09.120 when you tweeted out that you were going to come 0:05:09.160 --> 0:05:11.920 on and do the podcast and I was excited, thank 0:05:11.960 --> 0:05:15.040 you for that. Immediately the trolls, How do you enjoy 0:05:15.160 --> 0:05:18.200 the trolls, Lendy? They were all over you busting your 0:05:18.240 --> 0:05:20.560 balls on Twitter. You must enjoy that, right, That's that's 0:05:20.640 --> 0:05:23.720 the players, that's what's all about. And you gotta you 0:05:23.800 --> 0:05:26.640 gotta have the I mean, remember, I was voted as 0:05:26.640 --> 0:05:28.799 the most hated player in the league five years ago 0:05:29.960 --> 0:05:32.359 by the opposing team, and that's because I made their 0:05:32.440 --> 0:05:35.520 job sucking hard. And like I told my my teammates, 0:05:36.120 --> 0:05:39.120 I see you talking to the other team. We're fighting, okay, 0:05:39.480 --> 0:05:42.720 we're playing for real fucking money. And and so when 0:05:42.800 --> 0:05:44.440 we go on the road, here's what we do. We 0:05:44.520 --> 0:05:46.480 go to their house, we take their money, and we 0:05:46.600 --> 0:05:49.960 sucked their women. And that's how we roll, okay. And 0:05:50.160 --> 0:05:53.320 so so yeah, I mean they're haters, but the bottom 0:05:53.360 --> 0:05:56.360 line is they don't know me. They're nothing about me, okay, 0:05:56.800 --> 0:05:59.240 And so I don't give a funk, and I just 0:05:59.320 --> 0:06:03.760 tell the truth. So I roll. Letty, you mentioned being bulletproof. 0:06:04.680 --> 0:06:07.200 There's a fascination going on right now here in Los 0:06:07.279 --> 0:06:11.600 Angeles that most of the gun stores are out of ammunition. Um, 0:06:11.960 --> 0:06:15.320 what kind of self protection do you have right now? Um? 0:06:16.080 --> 0:06:19.599 All I have is, uh, well, my nickname is Nail, 0:06:19.760 --> 0:06:23.120 So I got a ham rass about it. I've never 0:06:23.160 --> 0:06:25.680 shot a gun before. Man. I you know, talking to 0:06:25.680 --> 0:06:27.960 a guy that had one friend in high school and 0:06:27.960 --> 0:06:29.440 the only reason I had one friend and said I 0:06:29.480 --> 0:06:33.960 need somebody to play cats with, you know. Uh so so, Um, 0:06:34.360 --> 0:06:38.400 the bottom line is, you know, you have all this, 0:06:38.640 --> 0:06:41.280 all this stuff, and then you have things like Ron 0:06:41.440 --> 0:06:44.960 Darling this guy that you know wrote this book full 0:06:45.000 --> 0:06:48.480 of lies and and you know, the press kind of 0:06:49.080 --> 0:06:52.400 you know, everyone brought into this this cancer bullshit, he says. 0:06:53.040 --> 0:06:55.839 And uh, that's uh, that's gonna be the next virus, 0:06:55.920 --> 0:06:59.440 so rond varmin virus. Letty, I gotta follow open that. 0:06:59.520 --> 0:07:01.160 I was gonna ask you about that anyway, Like I 0:07:01.880 --> 0:07:04.680 did some some BS monologues on the radio about that 0:07:04.720 --> 0:07:07.600 when that story came out and you sued Ron Darling, 0:07:07.839 --> 0:07:11.040 and somebody put the video up, the raw feed from 0:07:11.120 --> 0:07:14.840 that World Series game at Fenway, and I couldn't hear 0:07:14.880 --> 0:07:20.520 anything that he had claimed that. You say, how was that? 0:07:20.800 --> 0:07:25.440 But how's the lawsuit going though? Has that been settled? Well? 0:07:25.560 --> 0:07:28.200 The figger than the lawsuits, though, Ben, I mean like 0:07:28.440 --> 0:07:31.640 I haven't really went public and said this before. Um 0:07:32.240 --> 0:07:35.760 but because your stars on the rise and uh um 0:07:36.400 --> 0:07:38.520 and and in fact, I was talking to one of 0:07:38.600 --> 0:07:42.000 your your main guys that I've heard yesterday. Uh not 0:07:42.360 --> 0:07:46.280 not the soul as cool as hell, but but Ron Darling. 0:07:46.800 --> 0:07:49.920 Um Um, there's a lot more of that story than 0:07:50.040 --> 0:07:54.800 than a defamation lawsuit. Okay, this's a it could be. 0:07:55.360 --> 0:08:00.200 It could be the biggest story and since since since 0:08:00.240 --> 0:08:04.400 the juice got loose, you know, really, and are you 0:08:04.560 --> 0:08:11.840 oh yeah, you go back and look at the the coincidence, 0:08:11.920 --> 0:08:15.360 I think not okay, And again, why would you take 0:08:15.440 --> 0:08:18.120 me to make it? Might you want to make the 0:08:18.280 --> 0:08:21.480 last motherfucker you want to make an enemy of his me? Okay? 0:08:22.000 --> 0:08:25.480 Because and that's what he did. And so and now 0:08:25.840 --> 0:08:31.160 there's there's I have, you know, documented attacks of what 0:08:31.400 --> 0:08:35.480 really happened. And so someone someone's gonna pay and it's 0:08:35.480 --> 0:08:39.800 gonna be me. But that's still going through the legal process, right, Lenny, 0:08:39.840 --> 0:08:42.079 it's still yeah, legal, But like I said, this is 0:08:42.200 --> 0:08:45.240 way bigger than legal process. This is about the integrity 0:08:45.280 --> 0:08:47.600 of the game, which is which is the most important 0:08:47.640 --> 0:08:51.520 thing that major eat baseball. So, um, somebody's gonna have 0:08:51.600 --> 0:08:55.280 to do something here quick or like I said, um um, 0:08:56.320 --> 0:09:01.360 this will make the scronavirus took like children's play. Lenny's 0:09:01.400 --> 0:09:04.600 he you know, the EIGHTI six Mets a legendary team 0:09:04.600 --> 0:09:06.800 of course, But is he like the guy? Obviously you 0:09:06.840 --> 0:09:08.920 don't like him now, but is there anybody else that 0:09:08.960 --> 0:09:10.679 you don't get along with on that team or every 0:09:10.800 --> 0:09:14.360 everyone else? Still, you guys, we got along great. No 0:09:14.440 --> 0:09:16.480 one likes him, You know we called him Mr P. 0:09:16.679 --> 0:09:19.839 I nicknamed Mr P you know, Mr Perfect because you 0:09:19.880 --> 0:09:22.360 know he went to Yale and and Press. I gave 0:09:22.440 --> 0:09:24.319 him credit for getting away with that ship he had 0:09:25.160 --> 0:09:26.959 for twelve years of less and the big leagues, I 0:09:26.960 --> 0:09:29.600 mean they had not on the ball with his sucking hand. Uh. 0:09:30.280 --> 0:09:33.120 But but but at the end of the day, Um, 0:09:33.760 --> 0:09:36.959 when you fucking lie, okay, or we need to tell lies, 0:09:37.480 --> 0:09:40.200 and then you have to start covering them lines up, Okay, 0:09:40.640 --> 0:09:44.480 you know you start getting uh, doors started opening that 0:09:44.559 --> 0:09:46.680 you never thought would open. And that's why I had 0:09:46.720 --> 0:09:48.480 to tell the truth. A lot of people don't like 0:09:48.600 --> 0:09:51.280 me for that, but guess what, I don't give a fuck. 0:09:51.559 --> 0:09:53.599 That's how I roll. You know, I'm a man of 0:09:53.679 --> 0:09:57.240 the people. Lenny, you talk about the game baseball real quick. 0:09:57.920 --> 0:09:59.559 How clean do you think it is compared to the 0:09:59.600 --> 0:10:03.480 early two of thousands or late nineties. That's a great question. 0:10:03.720 --> 0:10:08.280 Is it's cleaning to guess? There's definitely no drugs in baseball? Um, 0:10:08.640 --> 0:10:11.719 meaning you have a French player that that's going to 0:10:11.800 --> 0:10:14.760 be released or something that that might you know, amp 0:10:14.880 --> 0:10:18.960 Up and the US are raw, but overall they've they've 0:10:19.040 --> 0:10:22.400 cleaned up the drugs are definitely out of baseball. So 0:10:22.520 --> 0:10:25.520 what does baseball do? I mean, think about it. They 0:10:25.640 --> 0:10:28.880 shattered the home running record for a single season, after 0:10:29.000 --> 0:10:30.960 all the drugs are out of baseball. Well, how they 0:10:31.040 --> 0:10:34.640 do that? Really simple? Major League Baseball touch the scenes 0:10:34.720 --> 0:10:38.720 way down, okay, and major balls like like like super Bowls. 0:10:39.160 --> 0:10:41.599 And again I'm not a physics guy, but I know 0:10:41.760 --> 0:10:44.480 one thing. Waits to fly my private jet and I say, 0:10:44.559 --> 0:10:47.560 my flops go down. That obviously so is the plane down. 0:10:47.960 --> 0:10:51.280 So when them scenes are not up okay, and they're 0:10:51.400 --> 0:10:54.520 down and they're flush, balls are going to travel, okay. 0:10:55.000 --> 0:10:57.920 So and that's a major Baseball just created that. So 0:10:58.679 --> 0:11:01.439 with that being said, then with with launch angles and 0:11:01.480 --> 0:11:03.679 eggs of loss and everything that we talked about now, 0:11:03.760 --> 0:11:07.120 with sever metrics and everything of major League baseball, if 0:11:07.200 --> 0:11:09.840 Ben and I put you in in the commissioner's seat 0:11:10.160 --> 0:11:13.480 and we said, hey, you are now Rob Manfred, how 0:11:13.520 --> 0:11:16.480 would you execute the punishment to the Houston Astros for 0:11:16.600 --> 0:11:21.079 this season? Another great question. First of all, that was 0:11:21.160 --> 0:11:25.040 a fucking joke. Okay, I mean listen, I've played in 0:11:25.040 --> 0:11:27.520 the Big league swove years, so let's let's let's play 0:11:27.559 --> 0:11:31.640 this out here. We go ready, okay. So so I'm 0:11:31.640 --> 0:11:35.480 in the battles box, okay, And so the pisture's shaking off, 0:11:35.559 --> 0:11:37.800 shakes off. Then he says again he starts his wine. 0:11:38.360 --> 0:11:40.199 That means the guy in center field or whatever the 0:11:40.240 --> 0:11:42.640 fun they got out there has to has the number 0:11:42.679 --> 0:11:46.040 one guest, right because you know, because they changed the 0:11:46.120 --> 0:11:49.520 sequence probably every other ending, so he has to guess. Right. 0:11:49.880 --> 0:11:51.599 Then they have to get it to the to the 0:11:51.679 --> 0:11:54.640 guy who's got the trash cans and can imagine hitting 0:11:54.720 --> 0:11:58.560 like we're gonna sucking trash. Can somebody hang the motherfucker's 0:11:58.960 --> 0:12:01.720 meaning like, and the guy's gonna wind up? I mean 0:12:02.280 --> 0:12:05.360 they it looked like man looks like it needs something 0:12:05.400 --> 0:12:08.920 to do, and it's just it's way out of control. 0:12:09.000 --> 0:12:11.640 I mean, people am still in signs since since baseball 0:12:12.160 --> 0:12:16.600 has has been around. I mean, but again, like people 0:12:16.720 --> 0:12:22.000 think that that happens impossible. I played the game. It's impossible. 0:12:22.040 --> 0:12:25.600 And you get crossed up one time. He crossed up 0:12:25.679 --> 0:12:29.040 one time. As a hitter. You're you're gonna you're gonna say, 0:12:29.120 --> 0:12:32.400 don't ever give me the signs signs again. You know, 0:12:32.840 --> 0:12:34.920 I got a funny story speaking in Houston. It happened 0:12:34.920 --> 0:12:38.680 in Houston. Remember Craig Digo, he was he came up 0:12:38.720 --> 0:12:42.520 as a catcher. So so the first two at the 0:12:42.559 --> 0:12:44.839 Weekend Series series, they're the first two games. I was 0:12:44.880 --> 0:12:47.920 like gay free. And on Sunday he says to me, 0:12:48.440 --> 0:12:51.000 I'm leaving off. He says, since we can't get you 0:12:51.080 --> 0:12:53.840 out when we don't, when we don't know what's coming, 0:12:53.880 --> 0:12:57.240 I'm gonna tell you every pitch that's coming, every attack. 0:12:57.920 --> 0:12:59.439 And so now he's just kind of pregning with me. 0:12:59.760 --> 0:13:01.880 He says, here kind of fast, far right down the middle, 0:13:02.440 --> 0:13:04.160 and the picture throw the passot right down in the 0:13:04.240 --> 0:13:08.160 middle boughtom mine. Long story short, he gave me every 0:13:08.280 --> 0:13:11.440 pitch because he's fuck with my mind. I went over 0:13:11.600 --> 0:13:15.160 for yeah, but but later you know, that's how mental 0:13:15.200 --> 0:13:17.480 it is. The astro thing though, Lenny. In the World 0:13:17.559 --> 0:13:20.240 Series video, you could see the setup like behind the 0:13:20.360 --> 0:13:22.800 dugout where they were relaying the signs, and it was 0:13:22.840 --> 0:13:24.720 like they weren't even hiding it. They were like they 0:13:24.760 --> 0:13:27.080 were right in your face, like they had this whole 0:13:27.240 --> 0:13:30.320 thing with the monitors and the whole deal. And they 0:13:30.360 --> 0:13:32.240 were even people on the internet to think that al 0:13:32.280 --> 0:13:36.120 Tube was wearing a buzzer that I love. That gets 0:13:36.160 --> 0:13:44.439 me hard man. Here that dodger the case five hundred 0:13:44.480 --> 0:13:48.120 thousand dollars to have umpires be followed around. Okay, So, 0:13:48.360 --> 0:13:52.240 like I said, what Houston did spist get? That gets 0:13:52.320 --> 0:13:54.920 me off man, because that's hard to do it. They 0:13:55.040 --> 0:13:59.760 trust me, all right, Lenny, Let's move on to listen 0:13:59.800 --> 0:14:01.520 the Hall of Fame. I gotta ask you a boy this. Now. 0:14:01.559 --> 0:14:03.360 I know a lot of people who cares about all 0:14:03.360 --> 0:14:05.240 of fame, but this is something that bothered me. You know, 0:14:05.360 --> 0:14:07.079 back in the day in the in the peak of 0:14:07.120 --> 0:14:09.200 the steroider, which you're familiar with. Of course you were 0:14:09.240 --> 0:14:11.240 part of it. But uh, like you look at certain 0:14:11.320 --> 0:14:14.920 guys are allowed in the Hall of Fame like Pledge Rodriguez, 0:14:15.040 --> 0:14:18.160 Mike Piazza, guys that are suspected of using p d s, 0:14:18.200 --> 0:14:22.240 and then other guys like Bonds and Clemens are black 0:14:22.800 --> 0:14:24.320 from the Hall of Fame. How do you feel about 0:14:24.360 --> 0:14:28.320 that money? That's not funny? Then I know you're no 0:14:28.400 --> 0:14:31.320 wonder You're you're rating it so high, dude, you you 0:14:31.520 --> 0:14:34.800 picked up you pick an area that I literally got 0:14:35.320 --> 0:14:37.960 escorted out by the by the Hall of Fame police 0:14:38.920 --> 0:14:41.400 because I went in there, and I wanted to know. 0:14:41.600 --> 0:14:44.680 I said, how are the three best players in the 0:14:44.840 --> 0:14:49.560 history of baseball not in the Hall of Fame? I said, like, 0:14:50.400 --> 0:14:54.000 what's the fucking threshold? What makes somebody bad enough not 0:14:54.160 --> 0:14:56.080 to be in the Hall of Fame? So is it 0:14:56.160 --> 0:14:58.600 okay to be your wife? Is it okay to take 0:14:58.640 --> 0:15:02.800 instead of me? What makes somebody bad enough? So I 0:15:02.880 --> 0:15:04.600 went off on them, I captain. They went as to 0:15:04.600 --> 0:15:06.600 me because they don't have an after and like you 0:15:06.720 --> 0:15:10.360 said that, everybody took in set. It means in the 0:15:10.440 --> 0:15:14.040 in the seventies, and that's a fact, undisputed. Instead of 0:15:14.120 --> 0:15:18.560 means are much more performance enhancing them than steroids because 0:15:19.040 --> 0:15:21.160 they get you up and you're playing every night and 0:15:21.240 --> 0:15:24.920 a rigorous schedule. Um um. But then when you combine 0:15:24.960 --> 0:15:27.040 the two like I did, then you have gears like 0:15:27.400 --> 0:15:31.600 I have. Never mind um anyway. But the bottom line 0:15:31.720 --> 0:15:36.800 is is the Hall of Fame is a mess. Because look, 0:15:36.920 --> 0:15:39.320 if they want to have a good guy, a hall 0:15:39.320 --> 0:15:42.520 of Fame for the good guys, then that's fine, you know, 0:15:42.960 --> 0:15:44.760 but the Hall of Fame is supposed to be at 0:15:44.840 --> 0:15:47.360 least I believe this is what you do on the field. 0:15:47.840 --> 0:15:49.720 I mean, if you take Bond is the first ten 0:15:49.840 --> 0:15:53.040 years where you played Pittsburgh, Okay, until I showed him 0:15:53.040 --> 0:15:56.280 how to shoot steroids, And I take credit for that. 0:15:56.640 --> 0:15:59.000 We'll get back to that later. But the bottom line 0:15:59.080 --> 0:16:03.840 is their fifth best overall. Okay, Roger Clemens. I mean, 0:16:04.560 --> 0:16:07.000 this is a guy that that beats the beds by 0:16:07.040 --> 0:16:09.320 the way, and that's impossible to do. Trust me, I 0:16:09.440 --> 0:16:13.240 know all about that, Okay, And so I couldn't get 0:16:13.240 --> 0:16:16.160 an answer from because they don't have an answer. So 0:16:16.400 --> 0:16:19.800 so I'm I'm something's got to change there. Be sure 0:16:19.880 --> 0:16:22.560 to catch live editions of The Ben Maller Show weekdays 0:16:22.640 --> 0:16:26.120 at two am Eastern eleven pm Pacific on Fox Sports 0:16:26.280 --> 0:16:29.720 Radio and the I Heart Radio app Lanny. What about 0:16:30.000 --> 0:16:34.160 the drug usage itself with Bonds? Like, like, what what 0:16:34.360 --> 0:16:38.160 exactly did you help him with that? You mentioned the steroids, 0:16:38.240 --> 0:16:40.520 but what exactly was he taken? I mean, I know 0:16:40.600 --> 0:16:42.560 there's a concoction of a couple of different things, but 0:16:42.640 --> 0:16:46.600 what wasn't the cocktail? Yeah, we'll see Bonds. I gotta 0:16:46.640 --> 0:16:49.720 give him credit. See so remember in Christcoe candlestick Um 0:16:50.040 --> 0:16:52.520 you had to walk you know, you came out of 0:16:52.600 --> 0:16:55.440 like the clubhouse, who came out on right field had 0:16:55.440 --> 0:16:58.920 and walked. That's the batting case. So I'd always see 0:16:59.040 --> 0:17:02.840 you know him and in Dusty Baker and Dusty Baker 0:17:02.880 --> 0:17:05.760 as cool as fuck. Come I any manager wears wrist fans. 0:17:05.840 --> 0:17:10.040 You gotta love that. Um. But but um Bonds, you'd 0:17:10.080 --> 0:17:12.920 always say, you know, because you know, I knew him 0:17:13.400 --> 0:17:17.280 from from before and and and I'd always say to them. 0:17:17.320 --> 0:17:19.199 He'd always say to me, do like, how how are 0:17:19.240 --> 0:17:21.199 you doing this? Man? Like? How are you? How are 0:17:21.200 --> 0:17:23.919 you saying this throng? I told him. I told him 0:17:23.920 --> 0:17:28.000 the whole story. You know, um objected. They're born, you know, 0:17:28.119 --> 0:17:30.000 a little bit of a little bit of a chest 0:17:30.080 --> 0:17:34.320 officeron and some some sesston and you're on your way 0:17:34.920 --> 0:17:39.400 rock and roll, you know, and you walk walking into 0:17:39.480 --> 0:17:41.560 that box that you got a fifteen inch cock man. 0:17:42.160 --> 0:17:45.360 And and the bottom line is the disciplined Bonds had 0:17:45.400 --> 0:17:48.880 to wait. Okay. And and I mean, if you think 0:17:48.920 --> 0:17:52.960 about the numbers of this idea, steroids are a note steroids. Okay, 0:17:53.000 --> 0:17:55.600 I led the league and walks two years, two separate years. 0:17:55.720 --> 0:17:57.720 One time I had a hundred twenty or something. One 0:17:57.720 --> 0:18:02.360 time I have something like that. This motherfucker watched two 0:18:02.560 --> 0:18:07.680 hundred eighty seven times when you're eighty intense seven or 0:18:07.760 --> 0:18:10.960 seven or eight intensil. Those are little league numbers, man. 0:18:11.680 --> 0:18:13.680 I mean, the bottom line is, if you wanted to 0:18:13.840 --> 0:18:18.280 find Barry Bonds, you can do two ways. Barry Bonds 0:18:18.480 --> 0:18:21.240 the best players to ever put on a baseball uniform. 0:18:21.760 --> 0:18:24.119 Barry Bonds the biggest dick they ever put on a 0:18:24.160 --> 0:18:27.240 baseball uniform. Be sure to catch live editions of The 0:18:27.280 --> 0:18:32.720 Ben Maller Show weekdays at two am Eastern eleven pm Pacific. Lenny, 0:18:33.200 --> 0:18:35.919 when who inspired you to do the steroids? Like? How 0:18:36.280 --> 0:18:38.159 at what point? I know you probably talked about in 0:18:38.200 --> 0:18:39.440 the past, but I don't. I have not heard it. 0:18:39.520 --> 0:18:42.480 So like, did somebody advise you some other player and 0:18:42.560 --> 0:18:44.119 tell you, hey, here's how you do it? Or did 0:18:44.160 --> 0:18:47.080 you learn it on your own? Another A great question. 0:18:47.680 --> 0:18:52.480 Here's what't have them? Davy Johnson, manager of the mess 0:18:53.040 --> 0:18:58.760 them dumb. That's overrated, overrated, under under daving manager in 0:18:58.800 --> 0:19:04.320 the history of baseball. Um he um. I finally got traded. 0:19:04.440 --> 0:19:08.720 I was in We're playing the Phillies and I'm writing 0:19:08.720 --> 0:19:10.840 at I was stations because he can't fortune of me, 0:19:10.880 --> 0:19:12.600 and I said, listen, man, I gotta play. I mean, 0:19:13.359 --> 0:19:17.359 I can't just to tune bullshit. So so after my 0:19:17.480 --> 0:19:21.720 second at that, he says, you're done. Said what fluck? 0:19:21.800 --> 0:19:24.359 What fuck you that? I'm not done? He said, no, 0:19:24.480 --> 0:19:26.879 you're done. You're done. So I go up in the 0:19:26.960 --> 0:19:31.280 clubhouse and and and and I get in uh in there, 0:19:31.320 --> 0:19:34.560 and the great Harry Collis is unbelievable. I hear him 0:19:34.600 --> 0:19:38.000 say a lot of actions. They do that, and then 0:19:38.000 --> 0:19:41.200 it was initials or l D. I said, I just 0:19:41.280 --> 0:19:44.280 got fucking traded, man. So I'm sitting in my cubby 0:19:44.359 --> 0:19:47.280 hole and after the game and wincas half on the shoulder. 0:19:47.400 --> 0:19:50.480 I get it. And and they said baby wants to 0:19:50.480 --> 0:19:53.800 see in his office. And so there's Joel McIlvaine in 0:19:53.880 --> 0:19:58.280 there too, you know the Newists, you know newistum he was. 0:19:58.400 --> 0:20:01.960 He was actually pretty cool dude. So Davy Johnson just says, listen, 0:20:02.720 --> 0:20:04.840 we want to thank you for helping us win a 0:20:04.880 --> 0:20:08.680 world series. We just traded you to the Phidelphia affilities. 0:20:09.480 --> 0:20:13.560 I said, wait, the team and the other dug out, 0:20:14.440 --> 0:20:17.000 what do I meet him at home play? What happens? 0:20:17.720 --> 0:20:20.720 So any long story short, So I get there and 0:20:20.800 --> 0:20:24.240 Lee Thomas as a general manager and he's an awesome guy. 0:20:24.280 --> 0:20:26.600 And you know, he says, you're gonna leave up every day. 0:20:27.000 --> 0:20:28.679 So I come out of the gates. I remember, I'm 0:20:28.720 --> 0:20:32.320 only five mile okay, sixty then and I come out 0:20:32.359 --> 0:20:35.439 the gates. I'm raaking. I'm in three. And the bottom 0:20:35.520 --> 0:20:40.840 line is I physically did not have the stamina and 0:20:41.040 --> 0:20:43.840 and and the durability to the last day in, day 0:20:43.880 --> 0:20:49.119 out over the ruling schedule. So I'm timbered. Okay, I 0:20:49.200 --> 0:20:52.280 sell far in eighty nine. But Lee Thomas told me 0:20:52.560 --> 0:20:55.560 after the season, he says, listen, that was your first year. 0:20:55.640 --> 0:20:58.479 You know perst time playing every day. You're gonna lead up. 0:20:58.600 --> 0:21:01.919 We're gonna give you. You're gonna lead off every night. 0:21:02.040 --> 0:21:04.399 You have to live the lineup. So now I know 0:21:05.280 --> 0:21:08.280 es basically determine my life. I either got to get 0:21:08.280 --> 0:21:10.960 a real job. I'm gonna make a lot of money. 0:21:11.480 --> 0:21:14.119 So I went too. I was living in Mississippi at 0:21:14.160 --> 0:21:18.000 the time. People who lived there actually and and I 0:21:18.080 --> 0:21:21.359 was living in Mississippi. I went to the library and 0:21:21.440 --> 0:21:25.040 I looked up this is I looked up to say 0:21:25.359 --> 0:21:29.560 Ben Johnson. I found he was the sprinter, the runner 0:21:30.359 --> 0:21:34.440 who got caught with WINNI v and so what I 0:21:34.520 --> 0:21:36.159 did is then I went to the yell page. It's so, 0:21:36.320 --> 0:21:40.080 I said to myself, like, I don't need something to 0:21:40.200 --> 0:21:42.840 help me play baseball. I can do that. I need 0:21:42.960 --> 0:21:46.119 something to help me last I stay strong enough to 0:21:46.560 --> 0:21:48.960 last seven months. It is seven months, you know, we 0:21:49.000 --> 0:21:52.480 had spring training and six months. So I found some 0:21:52.600 --> 0:21:55.040 hillbilly doctor in the yello pages. I called him up, 0:21:55.760 --> 0:21:57.480 and I went in there and I explained this what 0:21:57.600 --> 0:22:00.520 I explained to you. I said, listen, I chance to 0:22:00.560 --> 0:22:05.680 make millions of dollars. I said, I need something that's 0:22:05.680 --> 0:22:09.159 gonna keep me strong and keep me durable. So I 0:22:09.240 --> 0:22:11.959 can laugh. I'm a little guy, and said, I run 0:22:12.040 --> 0:22:15.200 around a lot. And I said, by the way, I 0:22:15.240 --> 0:22:17.000