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Speaker 1: This is why the world looks at us and laughs

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Speaker 2: I'm telling you. It is heart breakholds, it is heart breakhotel.

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Speaker 3: So this is what's this is why it's so important

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Speaker 1: But the coach's job is to create inspiration, even if

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Speaker 2: I just did an interview with a guy.

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Speaker 1: Right, because Mom didn't Mom didn't come and have a

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Speaker 3: trying to give you a head start, and this is

439
00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:00,960
Speaker 3: my version of your head start.

440
00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:01,760
Speaker 2: Right.

441
00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:05,960
Speaker 3: And as the world changes, you know, even someone like me.

442
00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:09,240
Speaker 3: To get out of poverty, I had to go contrary

443
00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:13,080
Speaker 3: to mom. And that was rough because Mom don't see this.

444
00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:15,760
Speaker 3: Mom didn't see this being what this is. There's no

445
00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:19,040
Speaker 3: way Mom said, go get a job, go work twenty

446
00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:21,480
Speaker 3: thirty years, right, but continue.

447
00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:24,359
Speaker 1: So I followed mom's guidance, right. That's the kind of

448
00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:27,200
Speaker 1: kid I was. Do what mom says because I didn't

449
00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:30,400
Speaker 1: really let any other information in. So I went and

450
00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:32,600
Speaker 1: I studied in high school. And when I was in

451
00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:35,359
Speaker 1: high school, I turned my grades around really fast and

452
00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:38,600
Speaker 1: really young, because I saw that I could. My mom

453
00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:42,000
Speaker 1: showed me that authority did not belong with the school, right,

454
00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:44,919
Speaker 1: that the teachers, the principles, the guidance counselors were just

455
00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:49,000
Speaker 1: people flawed, They had their own coding. They were weaker

456
00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:51,680
Speaker 1: than my mom, and I was the offspring of my mom,

457
00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:54,920
Speaker 1: so I was probably stronger than this in the school too. Yes, yes,

458
00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:58,159
Speaker 1: So once that kind of changed my mindset, everything was

459
00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:00,920
Speaker 1: about make mom proud, make mom proud, and nick mom proud.

460
00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:02,800
Speaker 1: So that's why I went to college, and that's why

461
00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:04,440
Speaker 1: I chose my college. I went to the Air Force

462
00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:07,200
Speaker 1: Academy I got I became an officer in the military.

463
00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:09,280
Speaker 1: I became a pilot, I became a nuclear missiles. So

464
00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:13,240
Speaker 1: you was always into straight laced man straight laced until

465
00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:15,560
Speaker 1: two thousand and seven when I was at CIA, and

466
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:19,560
Speaker 1: then CIA put me through their training school. And when

467
00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:24,000
Speaker 1: I went through their training school, they absolutely crushed the

468
00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:28,240
Speaker 1: worldview that I had had and gave me a truly

469
00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:31,959
Speaker 1: transparent view on the world. And that was when I

470
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:35,560
Speaker 1: realized all of mom's flaws, and that's when I started

471
00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:38,560
Speaker 1: making decisions that just didn't cooperate with them. So for

472
00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:41,760
Speaker 1: my mom, how challenging was that she had this little

473
00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:43,720
Speaker 1: boy who listened to her until she was like fifty

474
00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:46,280
Speaker 1: years old, and then I was like, I'm gonna go

475
00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:47,080
Speaker 1: do my own thing now.

476
00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:49,399
Speaker 2: So it's rough. It's rough.

477
00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:52,160
Speaker 1: So now I'm an entrepreneur. Now I'm an internet you know,

478
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,640
Speaker 1: and internet voice. I don't know if I'm a safe.

479
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:59,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're giving you that. Listen. It's so important that

480
00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:00,680
Speaker 2: you'll experience, is man.

481
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:03,840
Speaker 3: Your experience has calls for you to be able to

482
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:06,679
Speaker 3: explain things in a very unique way. You know, like

483
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:09,280
Speaker 3: you said, you have now what's called I would consider

484
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:13,320
Speaker 3: a world view which draws people like me and people

485
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:17,600
Speaker 3: like all of the countless amazing big platforms you've been on, Like,

486
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:19,960
Speaker 3: was so interested in Yo, what do you think about this?

487
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:21,320
Speaker 2: Right? Because you do?

488
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:24,560
Speaker 3: They did drag you through that school of like, no,

489
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:27,199
Speaker 3: we're gonna do you like this? Now, help me understand

490
00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:29,239
Speaker 3: some of the things they crushed. What was something that

491
00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:32,760
Speaker 3: was disappointing or something that they crushed for you?

492
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:34,640
Speaker 2: Because that's so heavy.

493
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:36,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, So I'm going to start you off with

494
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:36,960
Speaker 1: the heaviest one.

495
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:37,360
Speaker 2: Right.

496
00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:44,760
Speaker 1: There is a connection, an empirical, scientific connection between high

497
00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:50,320
Speaker 1: performing people, high achieving people, professional athletes, you know, professional entertainers,

498
00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:55,760
Speaker 1: anybody who's made it right. The grit and the courage

499
00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:58,240
Speaker 1: and the hard work and the discipline and the practice

500
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Speaker 1: that it takes for us to get there. There's a

501
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:04,840
Speaker 1: strong connection between that and childhood trauma. Wow, which means

502
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,760
Speaker 1: that if you have not been traumatized as a child,

503
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 1: may you may never taste success.

504
00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 2: Wow.

505
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:16,080
Speaker 1: And the success that people like you and I and

506
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:18,399
Speaker 1: other entertainers that you're friends with and some of the

507
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:21,520
Speaker 1: biggest names that we've all heard before. The reason that

508
00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:25,040
Speaker 1: they have the success they have was because is.

509
00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:25,920
Speaker 2: It that crazy?

510
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:29,199
Speaker 3: And I believe that because I come from trauma, and

511
00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:32,400
Speaker 3: you would just explain in trauma right, it's like, yo,

512
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:34,919
Speaker 3: we come from things man and so heavy.

513
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:38,560
Speaker 1: But and we grow up thinking, Man, I know because

514
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 1: I've gone to bed at night as an adult wishing

515
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:43,760
Speaker 1: that never happened. But to wish that that never happened

516
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:45,400
Speaker 1: would be to also wish.

517
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:47,800
Speaker 2: Take that ingredient out that makes the cake what the

518
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:51,200
Speaker 2: cake is exactly right? Wow, that is so crazy.

519
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:54,879
Speaker 1: So they teach us at CIA, hey, you're all fucked

520
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:58,399
Speaker 1: up and we like you that way, and you're better

521
00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:01,840
Speaker 1: for it. So don't fight it, don't criticize yourself for it,

522
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 1: don't judge yourself for it. Just own it and shape

523
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 1: it right.

524
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 3: And that's the most important part. And I think that

525
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:14,440
Speaker 3: we in my culture forget to shape it. We learn

526
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 3: how to deal with it, but deal will Dealing with

527
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 3: it ain't enough. You must learn how to shape it.

528
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:23,679
Speaker 3: Take what happened to you and make it, make it

529
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:27,119
Speaker 3: a benefit for you. That that's so crazy. Tell me

530
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 3: have you ever been busted out?

531
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:30,439
Speaker 2: Like so?

532
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:34,240
Speaker 3: Give me the different facets of the CIA in regards

533
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:36,720
Speaker 3: to were you someone that put the masks on, put

534
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,639
Speaker 3: the you know how, what level were you own? And

535
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:42,359
Speaker 3: also explain the other levels even if you were not

536
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:44,399
Speaker 3: owned them, because I just want to understand the branches.

537
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:47,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely so. CIA is a big complicated machine in

538
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 1: a lot of ways, but it really boils down to,

539
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:52,919
Speaker 1: you know, a handful of different disciplines. There's technical officers,

540
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 1: and those are all the people that do, uh they

541
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 1: create the listening devices and they hack in the computers

542
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 1: and they do everything technical. And then you've got the analysts.

543
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 1: And your analysts are individuals who take all different types

544
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 1: of information newspapers, radio clippings, special reports that come in

545
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 1: from other intelligence services whatever. But then they read, they

546
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 1: synthesize the information, and they create a conclusion. Right, Those

547
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:21,680
Speaker 1: are your analysts, and then you have your field officers.

548
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 1: Field officers are the ones who live and work undercover.

549
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:28,080
Speaker 1: They're the ones that put on disguises, whether that disguisees

550
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 1: fake skin or whether that disguises a fat suit. They're

551
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,120
Speaker 1: the ones that go out in the field and sometimes

552
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,880
Speaker 1: they're shooting at bad guys and sometimes they're you know,

553
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:41,880
Speaker 1: swimming underwater and sneaking up on a roadblock, and other

554
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 1: times they're meeting in a fancy suit in a nice

555
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 1: restaurant or tending to be somebody they're not. I came

556
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 1: from the field officer.

557
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 3: World, which is the world you just explained, right, Wow,

558
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:53,360
Speaker 3: I came from the world.

559
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:54,919
Speaker 2: We got a lot to talk about.

560
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:58,920
Speaker 1: Disguise and human interaction and sneaking up and faking people out, right.

561
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:01,880
Speaker 1: But to get there for that, for that one discipline

562
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,400
Speaker 1: to work, you need the other disciplines. You need technical

563
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:06,160
Speaker 1: officers because they're the ones that give you the listening

564
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 1: devices that you can plant on other people. You need

565
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 1: analysts because analysts are the people who tell you who's

566
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:12,439
Speaker 1: worth talking to and who's not.

567
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:13,640
Speaker 2: Team work.

568
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 1: It's not like it is in the movies where James

569
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 1: Bond goes out there buying take Yeah, he can't. It's

570
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 1: James bond with like fifty people behind him.

571
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 3: Well, I think sometimes with those movies they did make

572
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:27,879
Speaker 3: them kind of phone into the big screen where people

573
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 3: in there, you know, like it's faking, like it's a

574
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,159
Speaker 3: thousand screens, you know. So I think they tried to

575
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 3: give a little bit of team, but it was overly

576
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 3: exaggerated that a one man on me in such a

577
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 3: complex situation like.

578
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 2: Okay, field officer.

579
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 3: Where you do you know of any stories of people

580
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 3: being caught in the act of all the time this

581
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 3: dude's an operative.

582
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it happens more often than you think.

583
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 1: It almost happened to me, and one I'm in the

584
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 1: process right now of getting CIA approval to talk about

585
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 1: my personal background. We sign a lifetime secrecy agreement, which

586
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 1: means that for the rest of our life we can't

587
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 1: talk about certain things without getting their approval first. Cool,

588
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 1: and one of the things I'm trying to get permission

589
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 1: from them to do is talk about my own operational history.

590
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people infer or assume some

591
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 1: of my background based off of what I talk about

592
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 1: and what I know about, and that's safe.

593
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 2: So you can't say where you none to.

594
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 1: Day, I can say I was in Asia, right, I

595
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 1: can say that I served undercover.

596
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 3: I can say that I so okay, so we get

597
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 3: it's context. It got to be contexts and people just

598
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 3: do what they what they make.

599
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, yea for now. But I know where I want

600
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 1: to go because I am trying to build a brand, right,

601
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 1: my company every day Spy and me myself, my name,

602
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 1: or trying to represent a brand that represents truth, transparency, honesty, yes, right,

603
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 1: and that goes completely contrary to everything that CIA values.

604
00:29:56,720 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 1: They value secrecy, they value discretion, right. So it's a

605
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 1: challenge because I'm trying to build something where my background

606
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 1: has a policy, an official policy against transparency analysis.

607
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 2: Right, And that's crazy. So how hard is it to

608
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 2: build that? I mean, what made you? What's making you

609
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 2: do that?

610
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:18,959
Speaker 1: So it's a personal mission for me. And that personal

611
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 1: mission became because the second big AHA moment for me

612
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 1: happened when I left CIA. So the first Aha moment

613
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 1: was when I was at CIA and they explained to me, hey,

614
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 1: childhood trauma made you who you are. You have to

615
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 1: accept that and shape it. That was just absolutely inspiring.

616
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 1: And then in twenty fourteen when I left CIA, and

617
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 1: I left CIA for reasons I'm sure we can talk

618
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 1: about whenever. But when I left CIA, it was the

619
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 1: first time that I stepped out from under the umbrella,

620
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 1: and that changed my perspective again. And when I saw

621
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 1: what CIA did to its own officers, I realized that

622
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 1: CIA taught us how to manipulate people and how to

623
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 1: make people do what we wanted them to do without

624
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 1: even realizing it. And then when I stepped out, I

625
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 1: realized that CIA was doing the same thing to.

626
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 3: Us, mating y'all do yes, yeah, that makes sense because

627
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 3: that's the business model.

628
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 1: That's the business model, that's the hierarchy, but you don't

629
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 1: even realize it. So somehow it was a really hard

630
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 1: decision to get out of CIA, because I felt like

631
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 1: I'm letting my country down and I'm disappointing my peers.

632
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 1: And I went through all this training and like, I

633
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 1: feel a moral obligation to continue serving. But when I left,

634
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 1: I left for family reasons. I wanted to take care

635
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 1: of a family, I wanted to raise my children. I

636
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 1: didn't want to be the absentee dad that my father

637
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 1: never got the chance to be for me. Yes, right,

638
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 1: But stepping away, I realized, oh shit, all of my guilt, shame,

639
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 1: all those feelings that made me feel like I was

640
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 1: abandoning Cia. That was all just part of the worldview

641
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 1: that they had programmed into me to get me to

642
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 1: say yes to dangerous missions, put my life at risk

643
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 1: and potentially leave my wife and my children without dad.

644
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 2: And that's what I'm saying. Man, Wow, that is so deep.

645
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 3: What are some of the tactics that they use to

646
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 3: manipulate people or teach you like manipulation? Let's talk about

647
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 3: that a little bit.

648
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 1: Absolutely. So, the first and largest tool that we're given,

649
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 1: the system that we're given to really hack into human

650
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 1: brains and understand how to control the way someone else thinks,

651
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 1: is to understand their four core motivations. All human beings,

652
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 1: all education levels, all races, all ethnicities, all ages have

653
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 1: four core motivations. And the acronym that we use for

654
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 1: that is called RICE, R, I, C, E, RICE, and

655
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:42,479
Speaker 1: the letters each have a meaning, and the R stands

656
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 1: for rewards, the I stands for ideology, the C stands

657
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 1: for coercion, and the E stands for ego. So all

658
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 1: human beings are motivated by a mix of these four

659
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 1: primary motivations. So if you want to control someone else's behavior,

660
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 1: want to manipulate someone, or if you want to motivate someone,

661
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:05,719
Speaker 1: So your high school coach was doing this just as

662
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 1: much the abusive girlfriend or boyfriend that you have. Right,

663
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 1: they mix these four things together. They'll offer you rewards.

664
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 1: Maybe that's we'll give you a a bonus at the

665
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 1: end of the year, I'll pay you a little extra,

666
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 1: I'll pay you at all, right, Or you can win

667
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 1: a prize if you give me your phone number, or

668
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 1: if you sign your mom up and for this free

669
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 1: cruise and just give her give us her address and

670
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 1: her phone number and her whatever without her consent. Right,

671
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 1: those are all types of manipulating people for reward. Ideology

672
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 1: is a really strong one and a really obvious one.

673
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 1: This is where you have people who become super ideological

674
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 1: about their religion. They become ideological about family values, they

675
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 1: become nationalistic right America first, who raw everybody else? Second?

676
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 1: Kind of thing. It's where you see people become hardcore

677
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 1: Broncos fans or hardcore Chargers fans. That's ideology.

678
00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 2: Right.

679
00:33:57,640 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 1: Then You've got to see see as COERSI and coer

680
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 1: is all the stuff that is like shame, guilt, violence,

681
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:09,880
Speaker 1: when you threaten someone. That's coercion. Coercion is a tool

682
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:13,320
Speaker 1: that works, but it's actually the weakest and most dangerous

683
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 1: tool to use because once you use it and you're

684
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:18,840
Speaker 1: caught using it, you can never use it again.

685
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 3: It ruins and also it ruins it almost it almost

686
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 3: transcend that category and ruins like your reputation in other things,

687
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:31,399
Speaker 3: because people start to look at you now like caught

688
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 3: you lyne.

689
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:34,319
Speaker 1: Yes, I can't trust that guy, right, everything I give

690
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:36,439
Speaker 1: him it uses against it. And then the last one

691
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:39,400
Speaker 1: is ego. E is ego, and ego is often the

692
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 1: one that's the most mistaken. Ego does not mean that

693
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 1: someone is egotistical. Egotistical means you think you're better than

694
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 1: everybody else. That's not the same thing as ego. Ego

695
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 1: is you trying to shape the way that other people

696
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 1: see you. So, if you want people to see you

697
00:34:56,320 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 1: as sacrificial in giving, that's your ego. You want people

698
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 1: to see you as powerful and bold, that's your ego.

699
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 1: If you want people to see you as studious and intelligent,

700
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:06,279
Speaker 1: that's your ego.

701
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 3: So so say we have a rapper like that has

702
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 3: a bunch of money, and people say, well, he doesn't

703
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:16,400
Speaker 3: win your or he always dresses down is could that

704
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:19,760
Speaker 3: be his personality or is that his ego that's trying

705
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,760
Speaker 3: to be like I'm unphased by the money. That money

706
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 3: stuff means nothing to me, Like which one is there?

707
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:28,320
Speaker 1: So you could? I mean, by just looking at the person,

708
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 1: you're giving yourself only one information stream, so you make

709
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 1: a low probability assesses. But as you as you spend

710
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:38,280
Speaker 1: time with that person, as you talk to that person,

711
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 1: as you learn about that person, read a biography written

712
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 1: about them by somebody else, you might learn that there's

713
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 1: some ideological reason. And maybe when they were growing up,

714
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 1: their mom or dad taught them that showing off your

715
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:53,880
Speaker 1: money makes you weak or poor, you know, poor of

716
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:55,799
Speaker 1: spirit or poor of soul. Who knows what. Maybe they're

717
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 1: super religious, you don't know, or yeah, or it could

718
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:01,839
Speaker 1: be that they're just used good operational security and they

719
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 1: want to walk down the street without the whole world

720
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:06,959
Speaker 1: thinking that they're wealthy. Yes, I've got one of the

721
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 1: primary client sets that I serve are ultra high net

722
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 1: worth professional athletes, professional entertainers, business executives, and they hire

723
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:16,240
Speaker 1: me to come in and consult with them on anything

724
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 1: from business to personal security, to securing their family or

725
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 1: their home or their property. And one of the first

726
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 1: questions that they always have is, you know, am I

727
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:28,439
Speaker 1: a target? And you can look at somebody right away

728
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 1: and say yes, you would be a target, because the

729
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 1: bad guys out there look at you and me differently

730
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 1: than you and I look at each other like we

731
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 1: look at each other's face to face. I look at

732
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 1: your eyes. I look at your face, and then I noticed, oh,

733
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 1: you've got a cool necklace. And then I notice I

734
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 1: like your watch. Bad guys they don't look at your face.

735
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 1: They look at your wrist, and then once they see

736
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 1: the risk, they look up what else does this guy have?

737
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:53,399
Speaker 1: And then finally they look at your face and they

738
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 1: decide whether or not you're you're the right mark for them.

739
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:57,760
Speaker 2: Right man, this is so much.

740
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 3: And I also want to talk about go back a

741
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:03,799
Speaker 3: little bit, because you were speaking about the coheresion, you know,

742
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 3: coming up in the inner city, in the drug game.

743
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 2: I always said to myself, these dudes, now that I'm old,

744
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:15,839
Speaker 2: I look back and say, well, damn, they were manipulating

745
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 2: us as kids.

746
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 3: Right, So the older guys in the neighborhood would take

747
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 3: a stance and this is people still don't notice this

748
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 3: operating in that world right now.

749
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 2: So this is important for y'all because I always.

750
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 3: Preach getting out of whatever circumstances you were placed in.

751
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 3: I understand being placed there, but I don't understand stand

752
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 3: now you know. But the older guys in the neighborhood

753
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:45,400
Speaker 3: trick they would run. They would position themselves as big

754
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 3: homie like, which is over everybody in the neighborhood, maybe

755
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 3: because they got access to things to Again, everybody's fighting

756
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:58,759
Speaker 3: for financial game. It's financial hardship. They would say, yo,

757
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:01,759
Speaker 3: little homie, you don't even sell drugs. You don't know

758
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 3: nothing about drugs. A lot of people just how to

759
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,319
Speaker 3: introduce to drugs by someone older that has a lot

760
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:09,799
Speaker 3: of drugs, It says, little home I'm looking out for

761
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 3: you'll want to put some in your pocket. You don't

762
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:14,399
Speaker 3: want to get you up and rolling and hand them

763
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:16,799
Speaker 3: some drugs to work for them. Now, I used to

764
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:19,919
Speaker 3: take that as a young man, as man the boy

765
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:23,839
Speaker 3: showing me love. As I got old, I said, no,

766
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:26,799
Speaker 3: they need help getting that stuff off. So this is

767
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 3: business for them. This is not love. This is them saying, yo,

768
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 3: I can't have all this stuff sitting in one place.

769
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 2: So I'm going to get young kids in inner.

770
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 3: City and say, but little bro, I'm messing with you,

771
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 3: like I'm put something in your hand and literally set

772
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 3: people down their wrong path.

773
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:44,319
Speaker 2: Man.

774
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:49,840
Speaker 3: And as you say that manipulation, I connected to that

775
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:52,279
Speaker 3: because I can see that clearly as they now. It

776
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 3: ain't no love in that. That's not love. It's almost

777
00:38:55,480 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 3: not even opportunity. It's out of their self preservation of saying, hey,

778
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 3: I've had friends that had a bunch of stuff laying somewhere.

779
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,799
Speaker 3: They get arrested and they got everything they got. So

780
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:10,760
Speaker 3: the goal is to put everything out on the streets

781
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:14,360
Speaker 3: with people you trust, just in case someone get kicks

782
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:16,840
Speaker 3: in the door to police or something and it's badly

783
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:17,399
Speaker 3: nothing here.

784
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know. So the terminology that we use to

785
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:25,319
Speaker 1: describe what you just laid out is leverage and compromise.

786
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:27,880
Speaker 1: And that's what the big homies were doing to the

787
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:33,360
Speaker 1: little homies, right. They came in looking like and giving

788
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:36,240
Speaker 1: the impression that they were helping. Right, so hey, little homie,

789
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:38,359
Speaker 1: let me help. Because help is one of those things

790
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 1: that we don't culturally and like as human nature, we

791
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 1: don't deny help will take help until we train ourselves

792
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:48,439
Speaker 1: to reject help, will take help.

793
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 2: Right.

794
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:51,319
Speaker 1: But then what they were actually doing is when they

795
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 1: gave you the drugs, if you took those drugs, now

796
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:58,359
Speaker 1: what they're doing is they're compromising you because now you're

797
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 1: actually in a position where you have accepted what they've

798
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:05,800
Speaker 1: given you as and it's a material good. It's got value.

799
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 1: So if that drug disappears, if you lose it, if

800
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:10,799
Speaker 1: you drop it, you're going to owe them something. If

801
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 1: you sell it, you're going to owe them something, right,

802
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 1: and you're going to be connected to them. So they've

803
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 1: compromised you, right, And the more that someone compromises you

804
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 1: to them, the more leverage they have over you. So

805
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 1: I think this is a fantastic example because what does

806
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:32,400
Speaker 1: the banking system do to every human being, the exact

807
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 1: same thing that big homies dode a little homes saying hey,

808
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 1: you need a house, you need a car, Let me

809
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 1: help you, let me give you exactly.

810
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's what I'm saying.

811
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 3: And for us, it's like how many people has been

812
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 3: affected by And again we're gonna get into the warm

813
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 3: drugs and all of that. I want to speak on

814
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 3: some of that, but let me bag up a little

815
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 3: bit because I'm going deep into it. But yeah, that

816
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 3: manipulation that these guys were running, man, I think that

817
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 3: it was far misunderstood in the in the city that

818
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 3: you know, A lot of this, a lot of this

819
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:13,319
Speaker 3: led to gain uh formation and everything, because it's like, yo,

820
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:14,359
Speaker 3: he the one put.

821
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 2: Me in the game, like he claiming blewe crip or whatever.

822
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 2: I got to claim that, right.

823
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 3: And so what I'm trying to speak to or the

824
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 3: young homies that need them to understand, is that there's

825
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:28,880
Speaker 3: a level of manipulation that's happening when you in that

826
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:32,279
Speaker 3: in that world, man. And that's to me, it's so important.

827
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, and so much of the of the world

828
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:40,400
Speaker 1: that we live in right now has been formed around manipulation.

829
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 1: That's the right word. Manipulation is when you get people

830
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:46,360
Speaker 1: to do what you want them to do because it

831
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 1: benefits you, right, And this is important. Manipulation is when

832
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 1: you get people to do what you want them to

833
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 1: do because it benefits the It's just one side of

834
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 1: a coin, though, the other side of the same coin

835
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:04,719
Speaker 1: is motivation. Motivation is when you get people to do

836
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:08,959
Speaker 1: what they want to do and it benefits them.

837
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 2: Mmmm. Right, same coin.

838
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:13,240
Speaker 1: Two sides.

839
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 2: That is so, that is so right.

840
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:18,400
Speaker 1: One side is manipulation, one side is motivation. The skills

841
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 1: that you need to make the coin are the same skills.

842
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 3: That is so. That is so right. That is a

843
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 3: light bulb for me. That is so correct because it

844
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 3: is the exact same formation.

845
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, every country has their own intelligent service, and intelligent

846
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:34,880
Speaker 1: services are broken down into two parts. There's an external

847
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 1: intelligent service that collects intelligence from outside of the country,

848
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:41,280
Speaker 1: and then there's an internal intelligent service that collects intelligence

849
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 1: from inside the country. If you look at the United States,

850
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:46,319
Speaker 1: we have the same thing, two intelligent services. We have

851
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:49,920
Speaker 1: more than two, but the two primary are CIA. CIA

852
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:54,880
Speaker 1: collects all the external intelligence. We collect secrets from other countries,

853
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 1: not American secrets, other country secrets.

854
00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 2: No, no, and FB okay, that's how it's okay.

855
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:06,920
Speaker 1: FBI collects internal secrets, secrets about any kind of threat

856
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 1: inside the United States. So you were getting to Edward, Snowden.

857
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure an NSA and there are weird different

858
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 1: part that we have. The UK also has a third

859
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 1: part like this or they collect intelligence from signals.

860
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:22,360
Speaker 2: Okay, and we'll get to Snowden because that's gonna be

861
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:24,399
Speaker 2: a good one. But let's do chi. Let's do child.

862
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 1: So China has a very similar breakdown to the United States.

863
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:31,799
Speaker 1: They have an external service. That external service is called

864
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 1: the Ministry of State Security the MSS WOW, and then

865
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 1: they have their own internal service. They have their own

866
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:43,360
Speaker 1: military service, they have their own counterintelligence service. But the organization,

867
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 1: the intelligence operatives of China that work against us are

868
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 1: called the MSS.

869
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 3: Isn't it weird that we have all this intelligence stuff

870
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 3: for against each other and all this war by proxy

871
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 3: stuff going on, but yet we do business?

872
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:04,240
Speaker 2: How Like? How weird is that? It's?

873
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:08,920
Speaker 1: It's it seems when you don't have that new worldview,

874
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 1: it seems like that wouldn't make sense. It seemed like

875
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:14,839
Speaker 1: those those things are in conflict. But once you kind

876
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 1: of start to learn a larger worldview, you realize it

877
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 1: makes sense. Because what do we always try to teach

878
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 1: anybody in business or anyone in school? Right, you you

879
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 1: do what you're supposed to do, but you're also checked.

880
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:32,840
Speaker 1: So like you take a test or a quiz in

881
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:35,800
Speaker 1: high school and you answer the questions, the teacher doesn't

882
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:38,239
Speaker 1: just give you credit for the test because you took it.

883
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 1: They then go back and check the answer the answers. Right.

884
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:44,399
Speaker 1: In business, we go through, we do a year's worth

885
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:45,759
Speaker 1: of business, and then what do we submit at the

886
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 1: end of the year Texas, and they check to make

887
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 1: sure that you're doing everything lawfully.

888
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:50,880
Speaker 2: Right.

889
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:54,280
Speaker 1: Intelligence services do the same thing. Why would we trust

890
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:57,399
Speaker 1: what China tells us? We don't, So we have an

891
00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:00,839
Speaker 1: intelligence service that checks to make sure that they're telling

892
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 1: us the truth and to steal the secrets they're not

893
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 1: telling us.

894
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, and see that's what I'm saying. All of that

895
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:12,880
Speaker 3: just seems like a conflict. But does China, China's version,

896
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 3: which is MSS and CIA communicate at all?

897
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 2: Have they ever communicated in history?

898
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 1: They do, actually, and intelligence services communicate over shared common threats. Now,

899
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:27,880
Speaker 1: one of the things that's tricky about China specifically is

900
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:32,320
Speaker 1: the United States are number one concern from two thousand

901
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 1: and one to twenty twenty one basically was terrorism, and

902
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:39,879
Speaker 1: we were fighting wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and we

903
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 1: were on a global war against terrorism right the g

904
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 1: WATT That was our focus. China doesn't really care about terrorism,

905
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:51,959
Speaker 1: but they do care about the United States. So their

906
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:57,360
Speaker 1: MSS created a group to track terrorists specifically so that

907
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 1: they could keep in contact with us. So where enemies

908
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 1: cooperate is over a shared third enemy.

909
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 3: Right, And see, I just don't those relationships. I mean

910
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:11,760
Speaker 3: again without the I understand it though, because I also

911
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 3: understand in the culture how we do business or in

912
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:18,439
Speaker 3: business period, how we have to you know, I may

913
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:20,279
Speaker 3: have to buy something from over here that I really

914
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 3: don't care for these individuals, but the price is better,

915
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:25,880
Speaker 3: the quality of it is great, and it keeps a

916
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 3: bottom line low. So it's it's uh, you know, I

917
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 3: have to do it, but it just feels wrong. It

918
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:34,760
Speaker 3: just feels funny. It feels like it's not safe.

919
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:37,520
Speaker 2: It feels you know what you're getting at.

920
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 1: There is another really important principle that they teach us,

921
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:44,360
Speaker 1: and this is one of the This lesson is a

922
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:47,839
Speaker 1: lesson that causes the most issues when I tell people

923
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:51,360
Speaker 1: about it, right, And it's called moral and ethical flexibility.

924
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 1: We're trained, we're recruited because we're already carrying some moral flexibility, right. Right,

925
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 1: So there are some people who would never cheat on

926
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:05,080
Speaker 1: a girlfriend, and then there are some people who would

927
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 1: cheat on a girlfriend if the situation was right. And

928
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 1: then there's other people.

929
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 2: Who just don't matter that out cheat.

930
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, So the CIA doesn't want the person who cheats

931
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 1: all the time, and they don't want the person who

932
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:20,759
Speaker 1: cheats never. They want the person who cheats under the

933
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 1: right circumstances because that's a person who can be manipulated

934
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 1: and shaped into a different worldview. Right, So that ethical flexibility,

935
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 1: that moral flexibility, is a really important element when CIA

936
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:39,399
Speaker 1: goes to find its intelligence officers. Just like you're saying

937
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 1: the same thing. It doesn't feel right, but the bottom

938
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:44,880
Speaker 1: line gets the benefit. It's a better product as the

939
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:46,879
Speaker 1: superior quality. So I'm going to do it even though

940
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 1: it doesn't feel makes sense.

941
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 2: I've never heard CIA pick anybody from the ghetto.

942
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:58,279
Speaker 1: They actually pick a lot of people from from I

943
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:59,840
Speaker 1: don't I don't have nobody I knowed it.

944
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:02,880
Speaker 3: Like yo, CIA tried to give me. I got dudes

945
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 3: in the Navy.

946
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 2: Army, Marines, but I haven't heard CIA.

947
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 1: So a lot of times what ends up happening is

948
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 1: CIA's requirements because it's still a government organization, so that

949
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 1: means you still have to have a really strict set

950
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:19,920
Speaker 1: of requirements that you meet before you can be recruited.

951
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 1: So for a lot of folks. What that means is

952
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:25,399
Speaker 1: they have to go through the Navy of the Army,

953
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 1: the Air Force, the Marine Corps. First, they have to

954
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 1: go to college, right, you have to have a four

955
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 1: year degree. So my guess is that what I've seen

956
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:36,359
Speaker 1: on the inside and what you haven't yet seen from

957
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 1: the outside yet, because I'm sure you will, is that

958
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:42,440
Speaker 1: full life cycle of an individual somebody who starts I

959
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:43,880
Speaker 1: don't know quite what you mean when you say in

960
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:46,399
Speaker 1: the ghetto, but I'm guessing you mean poverty just.

961
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:50,320
Speaker 2: From poverty, like just from poverty and the inner city.

962
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:53,879
Speaker 2: You know, I just haven't heard of any Yo. Man,

963
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 2: I almost.

964
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 3: Got recruited to the CIA, but like you said, I

965
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:59,439
Speaker 3: haven't given that time, right, you know, it takes time

966
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:00,440
Speaker 3: to go get that degree.

967
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:03,879
Speaker 2: It takes time to be you need years. Yeah, maybe

968
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 2: that's what it is.

969
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 1: And you also need to have people who get their

970
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:11,319
Speaker 1: life started without any kind of criminal record and they

971
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 1: continue through those really difficult years without a criminal.

972
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 3: Record and coming from poverty without their criminal worlds, which

973
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 3: makes it a little harder. Yeah, And I mean at

974
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:23,440
Speaker 3: a benefit different in the CIA? Did all mean, like,

975
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:24,840
Speaker 3: is it perks different?

976
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 1: Is absolutely? Yeah? So you get paid more. That's an

977
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:30,359
Speaker 1: easy perk, but then you also have I mean with

978
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:34,759
Speaker 1: the with the military, you are following orders. When you're

979
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 1: in the CIA, you're given objectives. You carry out your

980
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 1: objective in the best way that you see fit, right,

981
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:43,799
Speaker 1: as long as you deliver. They a lot of times

982
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 1: don't mind how you deliver, as long as it's within

983
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:48,400
Speaker 1: certain guidelines. Very different in the military, where in the

984
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 1: military it's like you're going to do exactly what you do.

985
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:50,879
Speaker 2: Yes.

986
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 3: With China being someone who I'm always intrigued by them

987
00:49:56,640 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 3: and stealing of our intellectual property, the CIA view something

988
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 3: like that, it's a.

989
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 1: Crime, like it's a it's a crime, and it's a

990
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 1: massive problem, especially with CI, with with China. So every

991
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 1: country specializes in a different type of intelligence. So we

992
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:20,440
Speaker 1: specialize in stealing secrets, specifically political and government secrets. Masad

993
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 1: specializes in violence. They're the Israeli intelligence service. They specialize

994
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:28,480
Speaker 1: in liberating people who are kidnapped and killing people who

995
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:32,759
Speaker 1: deserve to die. Right. China specializes in the theft of

996
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:35,640
Speaker 1: intellectual property. But they're not the best. Do you know

997
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:36,440
Speaker 1: who the best is?

998
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:37,279
Speaker 2: Aligeria?

999
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 1: No, France, Wow, France is the best in the world.

1000
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:44,520
Speaker 1: It's stealing intellectual property. So the number one threat to

1001
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:48,280
Speaker 1: the United States for our economic secrets and our industrial

1002
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:50,880
Speaker 1: secrets isn't even China, It's France.

1003
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 2: How did you know it? I mean, I know, I

1004
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:54,279
Speaker 2: trust you, But how do we know that?

1005
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:58,280
Speaker 1: We know that because we we watch our own systems,

1006
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:02,319
Speaker 1: We watch our own corporateations. Remember, FBI collects intelligence from

1007
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:06,880
Speaker 1: inside the United States. They watch our Googles, our sales forces,

1008
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:10,879
Speaker 1: our Amazons, our massive players, right Netflix, and they see

1009
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:13,240
Speaker 1: who's trying to penetrate those systems, who's trying to steal

1010
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 1: those secrets. They find spies inside the United States, inside

1011
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 1: the United States right now. They estimate there's ten thousand spies,

1012
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 1: ten thousand spies, undercover people living here stealing secrets. FBI

1013
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:27,320
Speaker 1: covers all that, Right.

1014
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:31,200
Speaker 2: What secrets do you get from Netflix or YouTube? Were like,

1015
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:32,759
Speaker 2: what what secrets do you get?

1016
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 3: I mean, I get analytical secrets, like from the back

1017
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:41,040
Speaker 3: engine of But like if you come here from say China,

1018
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 3: and you look into tapping the Netflix, like, what information

1019
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:48,759
Speaker 3: globally do you get from Netflix?

1020
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 2: There's worth anything?

1021
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:51,879
Speaker 1: Well, it may not be global information that you're looking for.

1022
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:54,399
Speaker 1: It may be information about a specific country. So let's

1023
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 1: jump into this and I'm going to geek out on this, Dude,

1024
00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:59,279
Speaker 1: I'm with stuff that I love. Right, if you were

1025
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:02,600
Speaker 1: able to steal the back end metrics or the back

1026
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:05,239
Speaker 1: end metadata for Netflix, and metadata is.

1027
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 2: Who what when? Yeah? Who when?

1028
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:11,600
Speaker 1: I have exactly right. Now you know who's watching what

1029
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:14,880
Speaker 1: shows at what times and what places. So if you

1030
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:19,480
Speaker 1: see that one particular show is popular in Nashville that

1031
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:22,719
Speaker 1: isn't popular in LA, you can actually see what that

1032
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:24,440
Speaker 1: show is about. And now you have a sense of

1033
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:26,880
Speaker 1: what the people in Nashville care about and what the

1034
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:29,360
Speaker 1: people in LA don't care about. So if you wanted

1035
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:32,320
Speaker 1: to craft some sort of fake news.

1036
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:36,279
Speaker 2: Story, you know the hot buttons to hot okay.

1037
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:38,879
Speaker 1: Based on the city, right, And that's a very basic example. Right.

1038
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:44,160
Speaker 1: You also figure out which neighborhoods have the most Netflix accounts,

1039
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:47,560
Speaker 1: the most Netflix subscribers, and you can also cross reference

1040
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:50,279
Speaker 1: that against what zip codes make the most money. So

1041
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 1: if you were to find which zip codes have the

1042
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 1: most money, and then you find out that one of

1043
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:55,600
Speaker 1: those wealthy zip codes also have a bunch of people

1044
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:58,040
Speaker 1: on Netflix, now all of a sudden it becomes worth

1045
00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:01,319
Speaker 1: it to create a trojan horse piece of code that

1046
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:05,279
Speaker 1: can piggyback on Netflix and go into someone's laptop, on

1047
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:09,320
Speaker 1: someone's cell phone, someone's computer, someone's smart TV and mine

1048
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:11,560
Speaker 1: for bank data account down.

1049
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:15,400
Speaker 2: So but that okay, So how does that? How do

1050
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:16,919
Speaker 2: they coexist?

1051
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:21,200
Speaker 3: Like how do you get information to phish on their

1052
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:25,359
Speaker 3: laptop by just working for Netflix or something like that? Like, so,

1053
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:28,200
Speaker 3: how do they give me an example of getting the

1054
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:32,080
Speaker 3: information some information like that? Like how does someone from

1055
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:35,320
Speaker 3: China come in? Do they get a position in Netflix?

1056
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:38,799
Speaker 3: Do they heck into their system? Like what is the role?

1057
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:39,080
Speaker 2: Now?

1058
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:42,600
Speaker 1: So the most there's both things can happen. So in

1059
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:45,200
Speaker 1: the United States specifically, we have a very big problem

1060
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:50,600
Speaker 1: where foreign workers. Foreign skilled employees can get a visa

1061
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:52,239
Speaker 1: to come to the United States to work for these

1062
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:54,360
Speaker 1: companies because they'll take a lower paycheck than what an

1063
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:57,840
Speaker 1: American will pick. Right, but they're actually being planted here

1064
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:01,359
Speaker 1: by a foreign intelligence service or when they come here

1065
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:03,719
Speaker 1: and they get the job, then they reach out to

1066
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:06,239
Speaker 1: their own home foreign intelligence service and say, hey, guess

1067
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 1: who I work for right now? Would you like me

1068
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:09,960
Speaker 1: to do something extra for an extra paycheck?

1069
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:10,359
Speaker 2: Right?

1070
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:14,800
Speaker 1: That's called an insider threat. When you have someone who's

1071
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:19,520
Speaker 1: inside your organization, who's corrupting your organization from inside, selling

1072
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:23,200
Speaker 1: your secrets, embezzling money, lying about lining to your clients,

1073
00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:24,400
Speaker 1: that's an insider threat.

1074
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:27,600
Speaker 2: But when we say secrets, that's what I'm trying to understand.

1075
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 1: Secrets Like, Yeah, proprietary information, the algorithms that Netflix uses,

1076
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:38,000
Speaker 1: Like think about how fast Netflix loads. Have you ever

1077
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:40,960
Speaker 1: wondered why does Netflix load so fast on your phone?

1078
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:44,600
Speaker 1: But when you go to a blog page it takes Yeah?

1079
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:47,759
Speaker 1: Why is that? It's because they have proprietary algorithms that

1080
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:50,720
Speaker 1: they have used that they've created to make their load

1081
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:53,359
Speaker 1: time shorter and faster because they don't want to lose

1082
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:55,000
Speaker 1: you because it takes too long to get your video.

1083
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:58,080
Speaker 3: But child are interested in that? I mean, of course

1084
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 3: not that, but I'm just wondering what can they get.

1085
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:06,320
Speaker 3: I definitely like the example of zip codes and netflicks.

1086
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:07,800
Speaker 2: And how that you know, corresponds.

1087
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 3: But I'm just wondering, you know, to come into those

1088
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:14,800
Speaker 3: ten thousand people are where doing? What if you were

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00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 3: sent into America as a spy, Like what would that

1090
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:19,080
Speaker 3: look like?

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Speaker 1: I mean it could look a number of different ways,

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00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:24,800
Speaker 1: but give me an extreme example, so let me okay,

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00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:27,919
Speaker 1: So a very extreme example is when you're embedded into

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00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:31,080
Speaker 1: a foreign country because you are a violent threat. Right,

1095
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:32,160
Speaker 1: that's called.

1096
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:33,400
Speaker 2: A sleeper cello.

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00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:37,080
Speaker 1: Oftentimes it happens with terrorists, but you also find illegals.

1098
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:39,520
Speaker 1: Illegal is a term that the Russians use when they

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00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:42,640
Speaker 1: insert a sleeper illegal into the United States or into

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00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:45,680
Speaker 1: a foreign country to do what to be on, to

1101
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:49,040
Speaker 1: be on soil, to be on on the soil, creating

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00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:53,120
Speaker 1: your own life, doing your own job, paying real taxes,

1103
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:56,400
Speaker 1: waiting for the day that you get one order to

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00:55:56,440 --> 00:55:57,279
Speaker 1: do something.

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00:55:57,400 --> 00:55:59,520
Speaker 2: Extreme that as deep, right.

1106
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:03,400
Speaker 1: That's called sleeper's and that's also called an illegal, not

1107
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:05,880
Speaker 1: the illegal like we hear about in the newspapers, not

1108
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:09,279
Speaker 1: an illegal alien, but like the term that we use

1109
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:12,319
Speaker 1: is that is an illegal agent. So that is one

1110
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:15,439
Speaker 1: very extreme example, and that's an extreme scary example. There's

1111
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:18,400
Speaker 1: also extremely not scary examples, right. And one of the

1112
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:23,000
Speaker 1: most common examples of a not scary person who's sent

1113
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:25,480
Speaker 1: in the United States is somebody who's sent here because

1114
00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:28,799
Speaker 1: they're they're like a water or electricity engineer, like they

1115
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 1: understand soil or they understand how water purification works, and

1116
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:36,680
Speaker 1: they're sent here to get their American citizenship and to

1117
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:39,120
Speaker 1: get their green card. And their job is to go

1118
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:43,880
Speaker 1: to you know, Atlanta and become part of the Atlanta

1119
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:48,319
Speaker 1: water utility network, and they build a career. They're doing

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00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:51,480
Speaker 1: that job. And all they're supposed to do is send

1121
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:55,560
Speaker 1: a report every week about how Atlanta purifies their water.

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00:56:56,120 --> 00:56:59,240
Speaker 1: And why would that person be needed because if China

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00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:02,560
Speaker 1: and America go to war, they want to poison the water.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, right, wow, and they report.

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Speaker 1: And one more thing. The report just went out this week, right,

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00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:10,080
Speaker 1: and while you and I are recording this, it's May

1127
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:12,520
Speaker 1: twenty seventh, I want to say it is. Yes, a

1128
00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:15,320
Speaker 1: report just went out this week where FBI made a

1129
00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:18,560
Speaker 1: formal announcement to the entire American public letting them know

1130
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:23,480
Speaker 1: that we've seen an increase in Chinese agents infiltrating American

1131
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:27,800
Speaker 1: utility and power networks. Why are they infiltrating, Why are

1132
00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:30,040
Speaker 1: they spending the money in the time to learn about

1133
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:32,680
Speaker 1: how our power grid, our power grid, and our water

1134
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:35,840
Speaker 1: works because if they want to, they want to be

1135
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:38,560
Speaker 1: able to shut them down in a snap of fingers. Wow,

1136
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:40,600
Speaker 1: you and I might never see that in our lifetime.

1137
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:42,080
Speaker 1: But they still want to know how to do it.

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00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:44,120
Speaker 3: This is what's crazy, and this is what I think

1139
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:48,320
Speaker 3: is important to know, is that they're covering all bases.

1140
00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:49,000
Speaker 2: Right.

1141
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:51,600
Speaker 3: It's like some of this we may never use, but

1142
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:53,600
Speaker 3: we send our toolbox just in case.

1143
00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:55,440
Speaker 1: Now, if they're doing that to us, guess what that

1144
00:57:55,520 --> 00:57:56,480
Speaker 1: tells you about us.

1145
00:57:56,880 --> 00:57:58,640
Speaker 2: We're doing it to them.

1146
00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:00,360
Speaker 1: And if we're doing it to one country.

1147
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:01,440
Speaker 2: Were doing it to all of them.

1148
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:07,080
Speaker 3: Now with them China and specifically because I want to

1149
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:09,640
Speaker 3: ask you about the who I mean, it seems like

1150
00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:13,960
Speaker 3: China's more visible with intellectual property, even though France is

1151
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:15,720
Speaker 3: more prevalent.

1152
00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:17,320
Speaker 2: Right, it's crazy.

1153
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:19,360
Speaker 1: It's because of their It's what's known as them O.

1154
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:21,479
Speaker 1: You've heard of an m O in the movies and stuff.

1155
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:25,600
Speaker 1: MOO stands for modus operandi and your modus operandi. Your

1156
00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:28,680
Speaker 1: modus operandi is the way that you execute your operations.

1157
00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:31,919
Speaker 1: There are usually two types, and we classify them as

1158
00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:37,960
Speaker 1: bulls and snakes. Bulls like to go in and break

1159
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:41,479
Speaker 1: your shit and leave their calling card and let you know, hey,

1160
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:45,000
Speaker 1: that's on me. Your shit was busted up. I'm the

1161
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:47,800
Speaker 1: one that busted it up. Snakes like to go in there,

1162
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:50,920
Speaker 1: you know, mess with your shit, but not break it,

1163
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:52,800
Speaker 1: and then leave without you even knowing they were there.

1164
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:59,919
Speaker 1: Like us, right, Russia, the United States, France, the UK,

1165
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:02,680
Speaker 1: We're all snakes. We like to go in, do what

1166
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:04,240
Speaker 1: we need to do, steal what we want to steal,

1167
00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:06,960
Speaker 1: and leave without you even knowing we were there. China,

1168
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:11,280
Speaker 1: North Korea, Cuba, these are bulls. They like to go

1169
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:13,880
Speaker 1: in there, break your shit, leave your calling card, and

1170
00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:16,760
Speaker 1: then when you try to make a formal accusation, they

1171
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:20,880
Speaker 1: just deny it. Right in twenty fourteen, I think it

1172
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:23,760
Speaker 1: was twenty fourteen, and maybe in twenty seventeen, China went

1173
00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:28,439
Speaker 1: into the military's Office of Personal Records, the military all

1174
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:32,720
Speaker 1: of the military wow, and they had a massive scrape

1175
00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:36,680
Speaker 1: where they stole personal information about everybody who was in

1176
00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:40,640
Speaker 1: the military, a massive hack wow. And they left their

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00:59:40,680 --> 00:59:42,880
Speaker 1: code all over it. It was crystal clear that it

1178
00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:45,800
Speaker 1: was the Chinese. They left their calling card. But then

1179
00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:51,480
Speaker 1: when the ambassador to the United States went in Beijing

1180
00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:54,800
Speaker 1: and said this was an unacceptable violation of American privacy,

1181
00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:58,680
Speaker 1: they just denied it. If you ever watch a presidential debate,

1182
00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:01,440
Speaker 1: a fantastic presidential bait is if you go back in

1183
01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:05,160
Speaker 1: time and you watch when President Romney was debating President Obama.

1184
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:06,760
Speaker 1: Do you remember that debate.

1185
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:10,120
Speaker 2: I was just watching one of those, so it's about

1186
01:00:10,120 --> 01:00:10,640
Speaker 2: a month ago.

1187
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:14,560
Speaker 1: Obama did this fantastic job of saying, Romney, you said this.

1188
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:17,240
Speaker 1: Romney was just in front of everybody.

1189
01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:18,240
Speaker 2: No, I didn't.

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Speaker 1: And the debate went on like that for like an hour,

1191
01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:25,000
Speaker 1: multiple multiple points. Obama was like, you said this about

1192
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:27,280
Speaker 1: middle class, you said this about the wealth, you said

1193
01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:30,120
Speaker 1: this about taxes, you said this about healthcare, and Romney

1194
01:00:30,120 --> 01:00:32,440
Speaker 1: would just take the same talking point. I did not

1195
01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:34,840
Speaker 1: say those words. I didn't say those things. After the

1196
01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:36,960
Speaker 1: debate was over and all the fact checking came in,

1197
01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:39,560
Speaker 1: Obama was right. But it doesn't matter.

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01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:43,280
Speaker 2: See that. So Romney was the first fake news fake.

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01:00:43,120 --> 01:00:45,600
Speaker 3: News if you look at that way Trump is because

1200
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:48,120
Speaker 3: there's basically Trump do the same like fake news, it's

1201
01:00:48,120 --> 01:00:51,120
Speaker 3: fake news. So I discredit fake news, fake news, like

1202
01:00:51,160 --> 01:00:53,840
Speaker 3: I said, even with the election thing, it was just

1203
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:58,360
Speaker 3: it's crazy to see him stand on that. But still

1204
01:00:58,600 --> 01:01:03,600
Speaker 3: with China is interesting, man, that their is too you know,

1205
01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:09,720
Speaker 3: fashion goods and like anything made you can get from China,

1206
01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:12,800
Speaker 3: and that is spooky knowing that's a crime. They're still

1207
01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:17,439
Speaker 3: able to use utilize our postal service. They're still able

1208
01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:22,439
Speaker 3: to utilize our system sending things over this illegal as wow.

1209
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:25,479
Speaker 1: So what you have here is there's a spectrum that's

1210
01:01:25,520 --> 01:01:28,880
Speaker 1: really important in espionage and we call it the security

1211
01:01:28,920 --> 01:01:32,240
Speaker 1: and convenience spectrum, and it applies to everyday life too.

1212
01:01:33,120 --> 01:01:35,400
Speaker 1: If you put security on one side of the spectrum,

1213
01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:40,160
Speaker 1: the other side of the spectrum is is convenience. The

1214
01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:45,920
Speaker 1: more something becomes secure, the less convenient it is. The

1215
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:49,760
Speaker 1: more something becomes convenient, guess what, the less secure it is.

1216
01:01:50,160 --> 01:01:53,280
Speaker 1: So if the US Postal Service wants to make male

1217
01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:58,600
Speaker 1: convenience for Americans, it makes it a little less secure,

1218
01:01:59,120 --> 01:02:01,880
Speaker 1: so it can be infraltry and abused. Right. And if

1219
01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:05,160
Speaker 1: you want to make the borders more secure, you end

1220
01:02:05,240 --> 01:02:07,920
Speaker 1: up making them a lot less convenient. And that's a

1221
01:02:07,960 --> 01:02:09,760
Speaker 1: trade off that we always have to make. So the

1222
01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:14,320
Speaker 1: government is always asking itself the question how much security

1223
01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:17,040
Speaker 1: do we need? How much convenience can we sacrifice?

1224
01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:22,560
Speaker 3: I'm wondering speaking of China as well, with them spying

1225
01:02:22,640 --> 01:02:24,960
Speaker 3: on us or you know you so, do you think

1226
01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:25,800
Speaker 3: they're our biggest straight?

1227
01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:26,960
Speaker 2: It's China our biggest threat.

1228
01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:29,400
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter what I think they are. These stated

1229
01:02:29,480 --> 01:02:32,280
Speaker 1: number one global threats to the United States according to

1230
01:02:32,440 --> 01:02:34,960
Speaker 1: the Joint Chiefs of Staff and according to the National

1231
01:02:35,040 --> 01:02:36,040
Speaker 1: Intelligence Director.

1232
01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:41,800
Speaker 3: With social media with chet GPT, let's get into like

1233
01:02:42,600 --> 01:02:48,479
Speaker 3: election interference and chat GPT, TikTok coming through China. Let's

1234
01:02:48,560 --> 01:02:53,240
Speaker 3: let's start with TikTok and China. Do you think they

1235
01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:54,480
Speaker 3: used that to spy on us?

1236
01:02:54,600 --> 01:02:57,600
Speaker 1: Absolutely? Absolutely, the same way that you would use Netflix.

1237
01:02:57,680 --> 01:03:00,400
Speaker 1: Right then, the Netflix example that we talked about, So

1238
01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:05,920
Speaker 1: you've got this. So TikTok's proprietary information is all in China.

1239
01:03:06,320 --> 01:03:08,760
Speaker 1: That's where it was developed, that was created, they created

1240
01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:11,920
Speaker 1: the algorithms, they ConTroll it. So what that means is

1241
01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:17,640
Speaker 1: are they spying on on like American political secrets. Probably not,

1242
01:03:17,680 --> 01:03:21,480
Speaker 1: because those political secrets probably don't go on TikTok. But

1243
01:03:21,560 --> 01:03:23,080
Speaker 1: what they are able to do is they're able to

1244
01:03:23,200 --> 01:03:27,520
Speaker 1: shape everything from what kind of information gets sent to

1245
01:03:27,640 --> 01:03:30,840
Speaker 1: what ZIP code, to what people are watching and what

1246
01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:35,240
Speaker 1: people are liking. So a fantastic oversimplified example is that

1247
01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:40,840
Speaker 1: within China, TikTok information right, the content that's put on TikTok,

1248
01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:44,480
Speaker 1: it's cultivated in a way where it's mostly educational.

1249
01:03:45,400 --> 01:03:48,360
Speaker 2: Bad dance is doing something totally different with it over there.

1250
01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:52,080
Speaker 1: But when the algorithm applies to the United States, it's

1251
01:03:52,120 --> 01:03:54,800
Speaker 1: totally different. It's stuff that makes us dumber, stuff that

1252
01:03:54,840 --> 01:03:58,120
Speaker 1: makes us angry, feeds us our own political concerns right

1253
01:03:58,160 --> 01:03:58,680
Speaker 1: back to us.

1254
01:03:58,840 --> 01:04:01,360
Speaker 2: It's crazy how the algorithm that way.

1255
01:04:01,560 --> 01:04:04,840
Speaker 3: And again, when I was reading something the other day,

1256
01:04:05,120 --> 01:04:08,120
Speaker 3: it's crazy that you said that again they put all

1257
01:04:08,120 --> 01:04:10,680
Speaker 3: these different things in the toolbox because I was reading

1258
01:04:10,680 --> 01:04:14,000
Speaker 3: that China is getting a lot of facial recognition and

1259
01:04:14,040 --> 01:04:15,760
Speaker 3: all of that from the app and they don't even

1260
01:04:15,840 --> 01:04:18,560
Speaker 3: know how to utilize that night, but they know at

1261
01:04:18,600 --> 01:04:23,160
Speaker 3: some point we're making use some American facial recognition to

1262
01:04:23,240 --> 01:04:23,800
Speaker 3: do something.

1263
01:04:23,840 --> 01:04:26,240
Speaker 2: Now, I was listening to Mike Baker.

1264
01:04:25,960 --> 01:04:29,160
Speaker 3: You familiar with Mike Baker, and he was speaking about,

1265
01:04:30,240 --> 01:04:32,880
Speaker 3: of course that you know that they're doing some looking

1266
01:04:32,920 --> 01:04:36,040
Speaker 3: into things, but he was saying more so, he believes

1267
01:04:36,080 --> 01:04:41,040
Speaker 3: that China is just TikTok, is just eating the food

1268
01:04:41,440 --> 01:04:43,000
Speaker 3: of the market share.

1269
01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:45,120
Speaker 2: Right. They just came in and.

1270
01:04:45,880 --> 01:04:48,600
Speaker 3: Blue Facebook out the water, almost crashed a couple of

1271
01:04:48,640 --> 01:04:49,640
Speaker 3: these big companies.

1272
01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:50,960
Speaker 2: What do you say to that, do you?

1273
01:04:51,240 --> 01:04:54,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's just that's just good business. Right, that's just

1274
01:04:54,080 --> 01:04:54,960
Speaker 1: disruptive technico.

1275
01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:57,080
Speaker 3: So how do we know if it's good business or

1276
01:04:57,160 --> 01:04:59,880
Speaker 3: if it's them actually doing the illegal thing.

1277
01:05:00,120 --> 01:05:03,560
Speaker 1: Not supposed to know? The best illegal things are the

1278
01:05:03,640 --> 01:05:05,840
Speaker 1: things that you don't really know whether they're just good

1279
01:05:05,880 --> 01:05:09,560
Speaker 1: business or illegal. Right. That's that's how you craft a

1280
01:05:09,680 --> 01:05:13,680
Speaker 1: really effective espionage operation, is that it's it's called the

1281
01:05:13,720 --> 01:05:18,560
Speaker 1: shadow of doubt. You create something that people suspect, but

1282
01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:22,960
Speaker 1: they use it anyways. Right. It's kind of like, I

1283
01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:25,080
Speaker 1: think another group that does this really well is the

1284
01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:29,560
Speaker 1: national gun market. The US gun market does a really

1285
01:05:29,600 --> 01:05:34,560
Speaker 1: good job of managing this shadow of a doubt. There

1286
01:05:34,560 --> 01:05:36,720
Speaker 1: are some people out there who are like, there should

1287
01:05:36,720 --> 01:05:40,320
Speaker 1: be no guns in America, right. Guns are guns kill people,

1288
01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:42,080
Speaker 1: that's all they're built to do, and that's that's why

1289
01:05:42,080 --> 01:05:44,000
Speaker 1: we should get rid of them. But then there's another

1290
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:45,640
Speaker 1: group of people that's like, no, we have a we

1291
01:05:45,720 --> 01:05:49,360
Speaker 1: have a Second Amendment right to bear arms, and this

1292
01:05:49,400 --> 01:05:52,960
Speaker 1: is the arm that I choose to bear. There's there's

1293
01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:56,120
Speaker 1: a shadow of doubt. Both sides really do have to

1294
01:05:56,160 --> 01:05:59,560
Speaker 1: acknowledge that both arguments are kind of valid. Yeah, we

1295
01:05:59,600 --> 01:06:02,160
Speaker 1: do have right to bare arms and guns aren't meant

1296
01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:06,160
Speaker 1: for one thing. Yes, right, So that's why you see

1297
01:06:06,280 --> 01:06:11,720
Speaker 1: such a long term debate with no real resolution and intelligence.

1298
01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:14,040
Speaker 1: You want that kind of thing. You want long term

1299
01:06:14,080 --> 01:06:17,840
Speaker 1: suspicion without anyone ever landing you a final decision.

1300
01:06:18,320 --> 01:06:20,760
Speaker 2: I mean it's almost like, so what do you take what?

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01:06:21,440 --> 01:06:24,080
Speaker 3: As an American do we look at when they bring

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Speaker 3: TikTok CEO to the Senate or to the floor down

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Speaker 3: there and they have to talk. We think that's the

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Speaker 3: big boss. We think they come now, we're gonna bust

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Speaker 3: you out. Now it's over right, And this is people

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Speaker 3: with no information. I totally don't think that, but I

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Speaker 3: know people see them pulling.

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Speaker 2: TikTok up to speak.

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Speaker 3: In front of all these people, and they feel as

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Speaker 3: though this is accountability of some sort, when in my opinion,

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Speaker 3: I didn't really I didn't really see any.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're seeing what's known as a dog and pony show.

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Speaker 1: They're putting pressure, public pressure on TikTok. But what people

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Speaker 1: don't realize is that they're there's a whole school house

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Speaker 1: of attorneys prepping that CEO before they ever sit in

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Speaker 1: front of the Senate, and then the Senate Intelligence or

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Speaker 1: the Senate Committee that's holding the hearing is under American law,

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Speaker 1: which means there are certain things they can't talk about

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Speaker 1: according to American law, which is different than Chinese law.

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Speaker 1: And which CEO are they talking to? Are they talking

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Speaker 1: to the CEO of the Chinese company the CEO of

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Speaker 1: the North American company? Because there's you can see businesses

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Speaker 1: are there's a shell effect in business a lot and

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Speaker 1: you shell off one business with another business name ll

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Speaker 1: c's inside LLC's inside ll c's and there's tax benefits

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Speaker 1: for doing that, but there's also legal benefits.

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Speaker 2: For doing that. What are some of the ways that

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Speaker 2: China infiltrates America.

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Speaker 1: One of the biggest ways that China gets into the

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Speaker 1: United States is through technology. They're very adept at cyber hacking,

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Speaker 1: so whether they're a great example, actually just happened last year,

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Speaker 1: I think it was last year. China found a way

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Speaker 1: to hack into a company I forget their name right now,

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Speaker 1: but the company was a cloud storage company that connected

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Speaker 1: other companies to cloud storage. So by hacking into that

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Speaker 1: storage company, what they were able to do is manipulate

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Speaker 1: the code of that one company so that they could

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Speaker 1: then follow the the hardwire connections and the digital connections

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Speaker 1: into all of their clients, and their clients that were

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Speaker 1: using their service included state government clients, federal government clients,

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Speaker 1: military clients, you know, top tier Fortune ten company clients.

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Speaker 1: And they get in there and they steal intellectual property,

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Speaker 1: they steal personal data, they steal credit card data, they

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Speaker 1: steal anything that could compromise the company. And they're not

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Speaker 1: just interested in, like, you know, how does the United

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Speaker 1: States create the next generation of software. They're not just

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Speaker 1: interested in that. They're also interested in, you know, what

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Speaker 1: is the voltage that's being used to power the servers? Wow,

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Speaker 1: what is the type of wire that's connecting the primary

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Speaker 1: server to the alternate server. They want all that information

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Speaker 1: because if there's an efficiency that they can replicate for

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Speaker 1: their own systems, they want it. But also they want

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Speaker 1: to know how our systems work if they ever want.

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Speaker 2: To crash it exactly.

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Speaker 1: And it's not just at a national like a global war.

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Speaker 1: It's also like if if you want a Chinese car manufacturer,

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Speaker 1: the Chinese have been vying to be the number one

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Speaker 1: producer of electric vehicles for a long time. Their number

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Speaker 1: one competitor, of course, is in the United States. So

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Speaker 1: the only way that China would ever actually get a

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Speaker 1: chance to manufacture more electric vehicles than anybody else is

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Speaker 1: either to win market share through quality of product, which

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Speaker 1: won't happen, or create so much operational challenge for another Yes,

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Speaker 1: slow it down, muck it up, make them lose money

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Speaker 1: trying to fix a problem that they don't even know

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Speaker 1: exists exactly. And that's that's industrial lesbianis.

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Speaker 3: Wow, that is so crazy, wouldn't we Here's something like

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Speaker 3: Putin has cancer? How does CIA get some information like

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Speaker 3: that if we even heard it from CIA?

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Speaker 1: CIA didn't get you that information?

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Speaker 2: Okay, when we do so when we hear something like that,

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Speaker 2: What is that about?

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Speaker 1: The problem with the world that we live in right

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Speaker 1: now is that we live in a world that's very

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Speaker 1: much focused on sensational information, right We don't like we've

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01:10:21,520 --> 01:10:24,120
Speaker 1: become so accustomed in the industry in the information era,

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Speaker 1: we've become so accustomed to getting any information we want

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Speaker 1: when we want it, that we have stopped vetting the

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Speaker 1: information itself. Wow, So that the idea that Putin had cancer,

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Speaker 1: it's a great example. I was just talking about it

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Speaker 1: with a client the other day. I think that was

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Speaker 1: like April or May after they invaded.

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Speaker 2: Last year, the year, and they just start saying, oh.

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Speaker 1: Putin's got cancer, he's gonna he's got like health issues

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Speaker 1: or as. And then what ends up happening is you

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Speaker 1: never hear about it again, and that doesn't prove to

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Speaker 1: be true. So somewhere somebody it could have been a blogger,

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Speaker 1: it could have been.

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Speaker 2: So you take it not to be true.

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Speaker 1: You can't. There's well, first of all, when you when

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Speaker 1: you heard the information, you only heard it from one stream.

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Speaker 1: It was in the news primarily, right.

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Speaker 3: But then they point to they point to like certain

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Speaker 3: ways he does, certain things, like it's certain little things

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Speaker 3: they point to, and it's like, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: So you treat it like a data point, right, rreaty point.

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Speaker 1: But do you get more like what do we get

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Speaker 1: more data later that makes us really think that it's true?

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Speaker 3: And I think some more stuff has came out now

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Speaker 3: I think that one time they said, but again it's

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Speaker 3: what what is it authentic that when it's coming out?

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Speaker 3: But what is authentic nowadays? Again, because nobody vets information,

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01:11:36,120 --> 01:11:39,040
Speaker 3: so when when something comes out do we know do

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01:11:39,120 --> 01:11:41,040
Speaker 3: we don't know? So you so you take that not

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Speaker 3: to be the case. You you don't think Putin has CANCD, correct.

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Speaker 1: I think that Vladimir Putin, based on what the Vladimir

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Speaker 1: Putin that I've been watching for the last year and

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Speaker 1: a half longer, really that Vladimir Putin is full of energy.

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Speaker 1: He may have cancer, but if he does, he's under

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01:11:57,160 --> 01:12:00,200
Speaker 1: some kind of very effective treatment, because the dude still

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01:12:00,200 --> 01:12:03,160
Speaker 1: seems to be active, he still seems to be strong,

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Speaker 1: he still seems to be in control of Russia. He's

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Speaker 1: still waging a war against Ukraine. Like he hasn't changed

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Speaker 1: much from what I've seen from the guy the day

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Speaker 1: before he invaded Ukraine.

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Speaker 3: Okay, let's get to your thoughts on Ukraine and Russia's war. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: can you give my audience a synopsis of what's going

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Speaker 3: on over there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So, in February twenty fourth of twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 1: Russia invaded Ukraine. And that invasion has been called and lawful,

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Speaker 1: it's been called illegal, it's been called an attack on democracy.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of political narrative around the invasion, but basically,

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Speaker 1: starting on the day that they were invaded, Ukraine started

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Speaker 1: getting a lot of support from the West, from the

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Speaker 1: United States and from NATO, sending them weapons, sending them equipment,

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Speaker 1: sending them medical goods, sending them anything they need to

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Speaker 1: carry out their defense against the Russian invasion. And what's

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Speaker 1: played out over the last sixteen or so months is

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Speaker 1: that Ukraine, this small, poor country with no significant support

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Speaker 1: from outside other than weapons and material, has been fighting

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Speaker 1: back and defeating this invasion. On this Russian invasion, when

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Speaker 1: everybody was so afraid that Russia was this powerful country,

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Speaker 1: now it's starting to look like Russia's not such a

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Speaker 1: powerful country. Now. We went into a ceaspire period, not

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Speaker 1: a ceaspire, but we went into a period of reduced

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01:13:28,680 --> 01:13:32,960
Speaker 1: aggression in about November of last year, and since then

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01:13:33,360 --> 01:13:38,080
Speaker 1: people have been waiting for a counter offensive, another counter

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01:13:38,160 --> 01:13:43,519
Speaker 1: offensive from Ukraine and or another counter offensive from Russia

1439
01:13:43,960 --> 01:13:46,519
Speaker 1: to try to see where the war goes next. And

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Speaker 1: that brings us to where we are today. People are

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01:13:48,760 --> 01:13:51,000
Speaker 1: waiting to see if this counter offense is going to happen.

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01:13:52,080 --> 01:13:55,920
Speaker 1: NATO and European and Western allies continue to send new

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01:13:55,960 --> 01:13:58,799
Speaker 1: weapons and new support to Ukraine to fight back against

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01:13:58,800 --> 01:14:05,160
Speaker 1: the Russians, and Russia continues to increase its defensive positions

1445
01:14:05,479 --> 01:14:09,400
Speaker 1: across eastern Ukraine, where it's taken over approximately seventeen percent

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01:14:09,520 --> 01:14:10,919
Speaker 1: of the Ukraine territory.

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Speaker 2: So what's the motivation behind the war.

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Speaker 1: This is what is so frustrating to me is that

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01:14:17,680 --> 01:14:21,960
Speaker 1: in media people aren't talking about the real motivation. They're

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01:14:22,080 --> 01:14:25,919
Speaker 1: calling it an attack on democracy, like Russia just decided

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Speaker 1: one day to attack Ukraine because they were a democracy.

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01:14:30,400 --> 01:14:34,000
Speaker 1: That's not the case at all. In reality, Russia as

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01:14:34,040 --> 01:14:36,760
Speaker 1: a country does not have the capability, It doesn't have

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Speaker 1: the resources on its own to be able to maintain

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01:14:41,720 --> 01:14:45,240
Speaker 1: a level a lifestyle or a healthy lifestyle for its

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01:14:45,320 --> 01:14:50,360
Speaker 1: own people by itself. Russia has always been part of

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Speaker 1: what was known as a union of states. The most

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Speaker 1: famous union was the Soviet Union. So Russia created this

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01:14:57,800 --> 01:15:01,120
Speaker 1: reliance where it had to rely on the other Soviet

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01:15:01,120 --> 01:15:04,880
Speaker 1: statellites so that it could feed and tax its own people.

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Speaker 1: When the Soviet Union fell in nineteen ninety one nineteen

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Speaker 1: eighty nine, when the Berlin Wall fell, Russia lost its

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Speaker 1: satellite states. Now at the time they were all so

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01:15:19,160 --> 01:15:22,240
Speaker 1: mingled together, they all needed each other to survive. But

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01:15:22,280 --> 01:15:26,160
Speaker 1: then since ninety one, NATO in the West have started

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01:15:26,160 --> 01:15:29,680
Speaker 1: creating new alliances with the former Soviet states, so now

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Speaker 1: if there are former Soviet states that are actually part

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Speaker 1: of NATO. So in that process, what happened is Russia

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Speaker 1: lost access to the resources that it needed to protect

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Speaker 1: its own national security. One of those, one of the

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Speaker 1: key most important resources that it has is the flow

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Speaker 1: of natural gas and the flow of oil into Europe.

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Speaker 1: And guess where all of that oil and gas flows

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Speaker 1: through Russia, Ukraine, Ukraine. It all flows through eastern Ukraine.

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Speaker 1: So if Russia loses Ukraine, if Ukraine becomes pro Western,

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01:16:03,920 --> 01:16:06,519
Speaker 1: if Ukraine becomes part of NATO, if Ukraine becomes a

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Speaker 1: country that has then it can essentially cut Russia off

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Speaker 1: from being able to sell US fuel and oil anywhere.

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Speaker 3: And that's what I was going to ask you about

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Speaker 3: the energy dependence and all of that, because I knew

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Speaker 3: that it was some underlying happening with that.

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Speaker 2: That's so crazy.

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01:16:23,960 --> 01:16:27,720
Speaker 1: It's not an attack on democracy. Ukraine was never a democracy, right.

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Speaker 1: Amnesty International and multiple think tanks around the world have

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01:16:31,000 --> 01:16:34,439
Speaker 1: looked at Ukraine and looked at Ukraine going back back

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01:16:34,479 --> 01:16:36,760
Speaker 1: to two thousand and one and before, and it has

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Speaker 1: always been a struggling or transitional democracy, and it struggles

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Speaker 1: because it's heavily corrupt. It's based off of an archaic

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Speaker 1: Soviet system. Right, it is not a fair and open

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Speaker 1: place with human rights. It's not a democracy. It's scored

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Speaker 1: I think it's scored a six out of ten, possibly

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01:16:56,520 --> 01:16:59,760
Speaker 1: less in terms of Amnesty International's ratings for a first

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01:16:59,800 --> 01:17:02,960
Speaker 1: world world country or for a fair and equal democracy.

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Speaker 1: One of the first things Ukraine did after they were

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Speaker 1: invaded is they conscribed They conscripted all men to mandatory

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01:17:12,320 --> 01:17:16,120
Speaker 1: service in the military. That is a human rights violation, right.

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01:17:16,240 --> 01:17:19,760
Speaker 1: You cannot restrict the freedom of movement based on gender, right,

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01:17:19,960 --> 01:17:22,400
Speaker 1: And that's exactly what they did. So it's really tricky

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01:17:23,040 --> 01:17:27,479
Speaker 1: because the most of most of the societies is only

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Speaker 1: told what benefits the narrative. Because newspapers want people to

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01:17:32,120 --> 01:17:33,960
Speaker 1: read the news, and they want people to be angry,

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01:17:33,960 --> 01:17:35,639
Speaker 1: and they want people to be offended, and they want

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01:17:35,640 --> 01:17:37,040
Speaker 1: people to come back the next day and buy the

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01:17:37,040 --> 01:17:40,439
Speaker 1: newspaper again, or click on the ad or click on

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01:17:40,479 --> 01:17:42,559
Speaker 1: the website. Right, they want that, So they have to

1506
01:17:42,640 --> 01:17:46,880
Speaker 1: tell a story from a certain direction that triggers your emotions.

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Speaker 1: That's us dealing with propaganda all over it.

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01:17:50,080 --> 01:17:51,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and that's to me.

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01:17:52,200 --> 01:17:54,960
Speaker 3: I look at propaganda, and I see even when I

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01:17:55,000 --> 01:17:58,160
Speaker 3: think about China and COVID, I say, man, we dealt

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01:17:58,200 --> 01:18:03,120
Speaker 3: with a lot of propaganda even in that facet. How

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Speaker 3: did the CIA, or how would someone in that position,

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Speaker 3: how did you view COVID?

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Speaker 2: Was that attack or was that so?

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Speaker 1: My my assessment of COVID is that COVID was a

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Speaker 1: legitimate mutation of a virus that was novel. Right. It

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Speaker 1: wasn't engineered, it wasn't created.

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Speaker 2: And.

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Speaker 1: I do not believe it was. I believe that there

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Speaker 1: was a lab.

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Speaker 2: I believe that.

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Speaker 1: People were looking at chemical and biological warfare. I do

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Speaker 1: not believe that somebody successfully on paper created COVID and

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Speaker 1: then replicated that plan in a in a test tube

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Speaker 1: and then released it on its own population. I don't

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Speaker 1: believe that that happened. What I do believe is that

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Speaker 1: maybe they were trying to create a supervirus and then

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Speaker 1: somebody dropped the test tube and some bat got infected,

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Speaker 1: and then that bat carried it to a rat, et cetera,

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Speaker 1: and some lesser furs.

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Speaker 3: While because this is a good one, so you do

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Speaker 3: not believe helped me under I mean, there's a lot

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Speaker 3: being said about again this being engineered. There's a lot

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Speaker 3: of great minds that believe this may have been engineered,

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Speaker 3: and you're saying, give me some reasons why you do

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Speaker 3: not believe that.

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Speaker 1: So the there's a difference. First of all, I think

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Speaker 1: a lot.

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Speaker 3: Of the narrative engineered and released intentionally, yes, right, because

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Speaker 3: it was engineered. Could have been engineered, because we do

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Speaker 3: engineer these things, right.

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Speaker 1: So there's a couple of things, right. So, first of all,

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Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of the narrative that people

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Speaker 1: are hearing, even from the great minds, talking about an

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Speaker 1: engineered virus, there's a lot of the narrative that's leaving

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Speaker 1: out the details of what they're saying. So what a

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Speaker 1: lot of big minds are saying is that there was

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Speaker 1: an that people have been engineering. The coronavirus, right. The

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Speaker 1: coronavirus is a is a type of cell, a type

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Speaker 1: of viral cell that can attach itself and spread easily.

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Speaker 1: There's lots of reasons that you would engineer a virus

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Speaker 1: like that and work to use it to create something.

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Speaker 1: You could use a virus like that secure cancer. You

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Speaker 1: could use a virus like that to cure disease because

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Speaker 1: it spreads and it attaches very easily, so there's lots

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Speaker 1: of reasons why people would be investigating how do we

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Speaker 1: use this coronavirus to do something positive? And that means

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Speaker 1: there's also reasons that you would look at creating weapons

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Speaker 1: out of it too.

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