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Speaker 1: talking all things Holloway resume, Tell me hollow Away right, Luke,

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Speaker 2: Over ten years, He's been the UFC wow.

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Speaker 1: At thirty years old, the Hawaiian native, a future Hall

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Speaker 1: You a chance to watch that fight for the fiftieth time.

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Speaker 1: the way back to the beginning. Resume review used to

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Speaker 3: It just goes to show prospecting is hard in any sport,

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Speaker 3: And that's still valuable obviously, but against better guys, or

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Speaker 1: Joe was almost talking about him disparagingly, saying basically, whatever

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Speaker 2: Maybe a little bit of confidence for Max. Again, also,

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Speaker 2: So I think, you know, again, he had a very

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Speaker 3: He was out landing him, and I think he outlanded

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Speaker 3: But listen, Leonar Garcia was also a veteran, as we

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Speaker 1: And you don't see Max getting taken down that easily,

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Speaker 2: Tally shows it.

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Speaker 3: But what I will say was this was a good

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Speaker 2: You saw enough of that.

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Speaker 1: It done twenty nine to twenty eight on all three cards,

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Speaker 2: Maybe it shouldn't have, but it could.

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Speaker 3: In this particular fire, particularly a first round against Bermudez. Dude,

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Speaker 1: I mean Max is learning on the job. This is

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Speaker 2: Listen to this.

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Speaker 3: In twenty twelve he fought four times, twenty thirteen twice,

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Speaker 1: He's seven and two and on May twenty fifth, two

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Speaker 1: fight night card and the quote from Joe Rogan is

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Speaker 1: I really can't recall a guy with one UFC fight

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Speaker 1: getting this type of treatment for an entrance. This guy

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Speaker 1: is a normal dude. He's not brock Lesner. This is

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Speaker 1: something unusual. This kid has got something. Obviously we know

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Speaker 1: what McGregor would build very shortly after this with that momentum.

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Speaker 1: But Anni jumping in saying these guys are on their

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Speaker 1: feet in the crowd like it's the main event. It

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Speaker 1: had that people's main event feel, as you mentioned, it

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Speaker 1: was supposed to be, though, Max facing I'm sorry, Connor

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Speaker 1: facing Andy Ogel. Do you remember him? He pulled out

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Speaker 1: with an injury, and it's Max Holloway taking the fight

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Speaker 1: last minute. Luke, we look back on this one like

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Speaker 1: we do his Max's UFC debut against Pourier. It's so

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Speaker 1: damn early it's like it's hard to take a ton

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Speaker 1: away from this. But is it in hindsight now we

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Speaker 1: know that both fighters were facing injuries coming in.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and well McGregor tore his ACL in the middle

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Speaker 3: of that contest. In fact, it's kind of funny if

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Speaker 3: you look at the numbers on this he attempted five takedowns.

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Speaker 3: Margregor catching four of them. When was the last time

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Speaker 3: McGregor attempted five?

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Speaker 1: I've taken Oh, he leaned into it to get the

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Speaker 1: job done. We'll get down on the second. But McGregor

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Speaker 1: would reveal afterwards that he had torn his ACL. He

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Speaker 1: had a posterior horn meniscus tear. He also strained his

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Speaker 1: MCL and he claimed it was fourteen weeks before the fight,

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Speaker 1: so maybe something happened in the fight to reactivate it.

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Speaker 1: But he claimed it was an eighty percent tear of

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Speaker 1: his ACL and he could barely walk in the days

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Speaker 1: leading up to it. This is early McGregor, who will

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Speaker 1: fight anybody at any time, under any circumstance, even though

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Speaker 1: this show is about Max and his growth. To see

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Speaker 1: early McGregor wrestled because he had to to win a

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Speaker 1: close ish fight, not that close, but like a tough

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Speaker 1: fight because of injuries. That's an impressive turn of events

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Speaker 1: and early growth for a rising star. Max. In the end,

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Speaker 1: you didn't really get to love a lot or learn

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Speaker 1: a lot from him. It wasn't a he didn't do much.

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Speaker 3: Look, this is one of those wins that for you

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Speaker 3: look back and you can just tell when McGregor and

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Speaker 3: Max met the first time.

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Speaker 2: They were in very different places in their development.

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Speaker 3: McGregor was far ahead because it wasn't just that McGregor

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Speaker 3: was beating him up on the feet BC.

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Speaker 2: He got the takedowns too.

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Speaker 3: As I mentioned, and you mentioned how Parier had moved

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Speaker 3: to mount, so did McGregor. McGregor found mount in this

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Speaker 3: contest as well.

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Speaker 1: It's so weird to watch him as the aggressive wrestler

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Speaker 1: going after.

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Speaker 3: It's crazy, and he was good at it too, Like

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Speaker 3: some of the takedowns. He was hitting, changing directions, going

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Speaker 3: and clubbing over the top for the knee tap like

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Speaker 3: McGregor really shined in this one. This was really, of

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Speaker 3: course we knew from the promotion of it the McGregor Show,

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Speaker 3: and I gotta say.

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Speaker 2: He beat Max everywhere.

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Speaker 3: He beat him on the ground, he beat him in

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Speaker 3: the clinch, he beat him along the fence line, he

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Speaker 3: beat him at distance. This was McGregor, by the way,

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Speaker 3: also not learning from his mistakes throwing all those kicks.

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Speaker 2: It didn't cost him in.

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Speaker 1: The inning wheel kick to open the fight, but we.

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Speaker 3: Would see later that that would not be a great

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Speaker 3: management of his resources. For me, this is I mentioned it,

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Speaker 3: like you know, Max coming to the UFC in his

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Speaker 3: fifth fight. He was still trying to figure out who

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Speaker 3: he was. He was still trying to figure out what

507
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Speaker 3: worked for him, What style do you want to develop?

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Speaker 3: McGregor had already advanced hast that so when they met,

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Speaker 3: it was not.

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Speaker 2: A great It was not a great meeting for us.

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Speaker 1: So this is still twenty one year old Max, even

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Speaker 1: though he's got five UFC fights up to this point. Crazy,

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Speaker 1: they're at different levels, There's no question about it. But

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Speaker 1: do you think now, because this is this is Connor's

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Speaker 1: meteor stretch his first seven fights, Luke, this is the

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Speaker 1: only one that went the distance? Did it go to

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Speaker 1: the distance because Max turned out to be an all

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Speaker 1: time great hiding under that young fighter and has a

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Speaker 1: great chin, and no one really knocks Max out? I

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Speaker 1: mean no one does. Or was it because Connor was

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Speaker 1: also injured and it changed the strategy and this became

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Speaker 1: a grappling and rewatching it.

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Speaker 3: To prep for today's show, I hadn't thought about that.

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Speaker 3: I think it's a little column A column B. Connor's

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Speaker 3: diversity of offense speaks to his abilities, but it also

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Speaker 3: speaks to his injuries or whatever was limiting him and again,

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Speaker 3: I'm sure that you know Max probably was not one

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Speaker 3: hundred percent either. It was a change of opponent last

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Speaker 3: notice for he was filling in. We get the whole story,

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Speaker 3: but to me, I can grant that part of it

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Speaker 3: was circumstantial. But I also just believe, like the real

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Speaker 3: big takeaway was Max just didn't have an identity yet.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that was.

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Speaker 3: The thing I took from this dude. McGregor had an

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Speaker 3: identity here. He wasn't fully polished either, but you could

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Speaker 3: see what he was. After this fight was over, I

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Speaker 3: was like, who is Max Holloway? I couldn't answer that

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Speaker 3: question following them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the macro way to look at it. The

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Speaker 1: micro is he had just extreme trouble, which everyone did

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Speaker 1: at this point. With the speed of that left hand

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Speaker 1: of McGregor, it would just, you know, sneak in and

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Speaker 1: get closer than you realized. He was hit you hard

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Speaker 1: with that left hand, and by the end of the

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Speaker 1: first round you've seeing Max with a red and face

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Speaker 1: in the body language that says like what is this

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Speaker 1: guy I'm going up against?

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Speaker 2: But also showcase.

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Speaker 1: So I guess the point I'm trying to say is

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Speaker 1: whether they were both injured because I'm trying to figure

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Speaker 1: out was trying to research. I thought Max also had injury.

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Speaker 1: Whether that or not, it seemed like there was nothing

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Speaker 1: Max was going to be able to do to beat

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Speaker 1: this version of Kondom that's right now.

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Speaker 3: On that night, it was just not going short of

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Speaker 3: some kind of fluke, it was not going to happen.

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Speaker 3: Connor was clearly better. But to the point that you raised,

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Speaker 3: Max was eating a fair amount of punishment. Fight Metrics

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Speaker 3: says it wasn't a huge onslaught that gave him fifty

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Speaker 3: three significant strikes and again four or five takedowns, But

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Speaker 3: I would say that what McGregor was landing was pretty

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Speaker 3: authoritative in many, many cases, you know, big kicks, big

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Speaker 3: punches that were landing.

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Speaker 2: Dude.

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Speaker 3: Max showed a good chin, and we would see later

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Speaker 3: that Max's chin has been legendary. This is one of

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Speaker 3: the first because even in the Parier fight, he was

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Speaker 3: a little bit even ish on the feet and then

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Speaker 3: you get taken to the ground. Woldcat's a different scenario

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Speaker 3: when you're fully controlled, but how do you respond when

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Speaker 3: you're getting hit really hard on the feet?

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Speaker 2: Dude? Max took it in stride. It was pretty impressive.

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Speaker 1: Max now three and three in the UFC after that loss.

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Speaker 1: That's his second straight loss when Connor McGregor defeated him. So, Luke,

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Speaker 1: we turned the calendar year to twenty fourteen. January fourth

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Speaker 1: of that year, a seven and three Max on the

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Speaker 1: Singapore UFC Fight Night cart headlined by Teriq Saffadin against

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Speaker 1: Lim who the hex.

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Speaker 2: Limb Hung Gulm. I think, yes, okay, I heard.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, that's not stun Gun, that's Don Young Kim

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Speaker 1: young kid.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't Hung gu Limb.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I don't remember that man.

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Speaker 2: He was. He was a marauder. He was.

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Speaker 3: He was not super polished, but he wash was his

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Speaker 3: face Fato Mike.

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Speaker 1: Perry foughta Holloway would take on Will Chop, a name

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Speaker 1: we don't bring up a lot, but the six foot

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Speaker 1: four Chop was making his UFC debut. Luke, he began

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Speaker 1: his career five and five. By this point he was

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Speaker 1: nineteen and five, writing a fourteen fight Win Street outside

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Speaker 1: of the UFC. Well, Luke, he would take this fight

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Speaker 1: and after losing, we would never see him again in

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Speaker 1: the UFC, although he kept fighting in other various things.

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Speaker 1: What he just sort of he had moved from the

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Speaker 1: States to what Thailand and they were saying on the broadcast,

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Speaker 1: and you can see that kickboxing influence, and he definitely

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Speaker 1: looked like he was a threat. He was also six

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Speaker 1: for four featherweight, which is just freaking Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Well, the issue with wild Shop was that I think

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Speaker 3: after this fight, it was revealed he may have had

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Speaker 3: a domestic violence incident in his recent past that could

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Speaker 3: explain why we never saw it right, and so I

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Speaker 3: think the UFC just decided to move on from him.

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Speaker 2: I think he claimed innocence so that it was and

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Speaker 2: it was poorly understood.

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Speaker 3: But either way that this was when the UFC was

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Speaker 3: still doing, by the way, the Code of Conduct for example,

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Speaker 3: so that it ushered in his demise. But I think

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Speaker 3: I want to make a point here very quickly. You

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Speaker 3: mentioned it January of twenty fourteen. This is the beginning

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Speaker 3: of Max Holloway. Yes, this is the beginning. That is

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Speaker 3: the moment. This is the beginning of when Max Holloway

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Speaker 3: a together the best run of his career. And b

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Speaker 3: this is when he begins to develop an identity as

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Speaker 3: a fighter. One of the fights over you can be like,

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Speaker 3: I can see his signature. I can read his fingerprint.

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Speaker 3: I know who this guy is as a fighter.

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Speaker 1: This would be fight one of a thirteen fight win

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Speaker 1: streak that put Max Holloway eventually in the Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 1: He's still a thirty year old active fighter fighting for

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Speaker 1: a championship right now. But it's like this is the

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Speaker 1: beginning of a run that I'm trying to think off

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Speaker 1: the top of my head in terms of youth and

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Speaker 1: giant success and names and titles won, like John Jones

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Speaker 1: has that type of achievement at that young age. But

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Speaker 1: it's very rare to see somebody like we can see

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Speaker 1: McGregor who arrived on the scene suddenly like a finished

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Speaker 1: product and hit higher notes than anybody. But then it

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Speaker 1: was over. This is the beginning of it's January fourth,

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Speaker 1: twenty fourteen, and went all the way through the last

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Speaker 1: win of the stretch, which was December eight, twenty eighteen.

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Speaker 1: So this stretch from the opening of twenty fourteen to

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Speaker 1: the end of twenty eighteen thirteen consecutive wins over some

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Speaker 1: of the biggest names in the division's history, in some

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Speaker 1: cases the promotion's history. But Luke chop Chope excuse me,

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Speaker 1: was twenty three years old, six inch reach advantage at

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Speaker 1: sixty four, and suddenly he's busted up Max his nose

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Speaker 1: in the first round. This was not an easy night

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Speaker 1: at the office off the start, at.

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Speaker 2: Least, no, not off the start. But I thought, I thought, yes.

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Speaker 3: He had a little bit of adversity at first, and

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Speaker 3: obviously chop was had much more experience than him. Maybe

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Speaker 3: not as quality of experience, given some of the places

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Speaker 3: he was fighting.

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Speaker 2: But certainly significantly more.

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Speaker 1: Twenty four fights, and it's a.

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Speaker 2: Lot, it's a lot.

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Speaker 3: But in the end, I think what really I took

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Speaker 3: from this was this was the beginning of Max really

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Speaker 3: getting good at distance management.

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Speaker 2: Timing that was the one I took for this.

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Speaker 3: Timing on his punches was so sharp, where he was

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Speaker 3: getting in between chops punches or what he would let

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Speaker 3: choke punch.

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Speaker 2: And he would go after it.

657
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Speaker 3: He was beginning to really develop a sense of when

658
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:44,640
Speaker 3: to go and when not to And by the time the.

659
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 2: Second round was, you know, in full swing.

660
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:49,640
Speaker 3: After about a minute, dude, he had choke in big truck.

661
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:51,879
Speaker 1: So Max closed round one with some vicious knees to

662
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 1: the body where it looked like his opponent was kind

663
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:56,439
Speaker 1: of lucky to like this. The bell saved him from

664
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 1: further punishment. Round two was just all Max, but a

665
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:02,439
Speaker 1: spinning back to the body really set up the line too.

666
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:04,720
Speaker 1: It was good brawling against the fence and suddenly brutal

667
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 1: body punch is the same aggressive spirits funny. I don't

668
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:09,879
Speaker 1: think of Max Hollway as a finisher. In fact, that

669
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,160
Speaker 1: was part of why I was behind the curve throughout

670
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 1: this thirty fight win Street going. Holloway's good, but man,

671
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,679
Speaker 1: I don't see top end knockout power. He would, you know,

672
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:21,160
Speaker 1: brutalize jose Although twice and completely shut me down with that.

673
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 1: But this had the intensity of the Josee all to

674
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 1: finish of the justin Lawrence finish this body attack once

675
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,200
Speaker 1: he had you hurt when he was on the rise

676
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 1: right here. You know he might not be a one

677
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 1: punch stoppage guy, but he'll put it on.

678
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 2: You, Luke, he can put it on you. And again

679
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 2: he's accurate and he has got high volume beginning. You

680
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 2: just look at the numbers.

681
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,399
Speaker 3: Will Chop had thirty three significant strikes landed. Max Holloway

682
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 3: had two knockdowns and seventy four, so he had basically

683
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 3: more than double the output than a guy like Will

684
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 3: Chop could produce. And again with the two knockdowns along

685
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:49,359
Speaker 3: the way, how is he able to do that? Because

686
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:51,200
Speaker 3: Chop was kind of lost and there was a moment

687
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 3: there late in the first early in the second where

688
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 3: you see Chop leading with uppercuts chasing him.

689
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:57,920
Speaker 2: Dude, Max ate him alive for that.

690
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,639
Speaker 1: Luke Max would go on to get four more wins

691
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,120
Speaker 1: over the next year plus. Heading into the next fight

692
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:05,400
Speaker 1: we're going to focus on, which is cub Swanson where

693
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 1: he was riding a five fight win streak, but to

694
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 1: get there, submitted Andre Toucchiphely in round three, knocks out

695
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 1: Clay Collard, who would go on to top rank Boxing

696
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 1: fame and now on the PFL, knocks out a Kiara

697
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 1: Coorsini Cosani, and then takes a decision from Cole Miller.

698
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:21,680
Speaker 3: So at and by the way, dominant in the Cole

699
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 3: Miller fight as well.

700
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 1: So we head into now April eighteenth, twenty fifteen, and

701
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 1: the Max Holloway, who's twelve and three overall, taking on

702
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 1: a cub Swanson, although he was fresh off a submission

703
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 1: loss to a non champion Frankie Edgar Luke. The run

704
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 1: he had had before that was a six fight win streak.

705
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 1: Do you want to know some of the names he beat?

706
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:45,960
Speaker 1: Cub Swanson, Ross Pearson, Charles Olivera, Dustin Porier, Dennis sever

707
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 1: Jeremy Stevens, although he had lost to Frankie had Good.

708
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 1: As I mentioned, this is probably Max's highest profile fight.

709
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 1: He fought bigger names in Poorier and McGregor earlier, but

710
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 1: he's now on a five fight win streak against a

711
00:28:57,880 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 1: guy who just snapped a six fight win streak. It's

712
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 1: you Fox from Newark. I remember this card well, Machetah

713
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 1: rock Hold in that main event, Luke, do you remember

714
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 1: having any kind of expectations coming in because Swanson was

715
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 1: an established name who had beaten future champions.

716
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 3: Dude, Swanson fought Josealdo in W E C. I mean,

717
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 3: this guy had been facing the best for far longer

718
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 3: than someone like Max Holloway up to that point.

719
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 2: This was also we talked about the will Chow.

720
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 3: Fight being the beginning of Max, but to your point,

721
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 3: the Cubs Swanson fight is the next turn in that evolution.

722
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 3: That's when, yes, you still get a sense of Max's

723
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 3: greatness and his progress and his improvements and his identity.

724
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 3: But this is when he's turning it up, just past

725
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 3: the guys who are good fighters but not great. Cub

726
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 3: Swanson is a great fighter to all the names you mentioned,

727
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 3: heavy hitter, battle tested, black belt in jiu jitsu, has

728
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 3: been on big cards, has been against big fighters, had

729
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 3: been against been in the kind of situations at a

730
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 3: much higher level than Max said. Yes, he had lost

731
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 3: his to Parian McGregor, but when he lost to those guys,

732
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 3: they weren't elite contenders. Swanson was an elite contender when

733
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 3: they thought that was the big difference.

734
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:05,720
Speaker 1: Max had shown a lot of growth in what is

735
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 1: now a five fight win streak at this point. But

736
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 1: to see him come out in round one against Cub

737
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 1: and switch south pass so easily and a right hook

738
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 1: instantly swelling the left eye of Cub. The difference between

739
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 1: this fight and the will chokwin just to what a

740
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 1: year and a half ago, is already a giant leap.

741
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 1: And also with comfortability, the smooth role. You know when

742
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 1: he gets in that flow, I mean, this is the

743
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 1: Max that we know now. It's coming out in this face.

744
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 3: Also to me, I believe this is the first time

745
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 3: I saw him really physically fill out. This is where

746
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 3: he is still because now he can make featherweight, but

747
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 3: it's a little bit of a challenge for him at

748
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 3: age thirty. This is, however, many years ago at this point,

749
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 3: So this is about seven years ago, So was he

750
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 3: twenty through twenty four something like that. But you can

751
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 3: begin to see he's developing man strength at this point,

752
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,960
Speaker 3: and that's very helpful because it wasn't so much the

753
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 3: biggest deal in this particular contest, but in subsequent ones

754
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 3: where he has to defend the takedown against really aggressive

755
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 3: strong wrestlers, he had filled out more to get there, or.

756
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 2: A case chasing the guillotine, he was kind.

757
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 3: Of physically laying it on Cub a little bit there

758
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 3: as well.

759
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, to get to that guillotine. He closed round one

760
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 1: by buckling Cub with a hook, and you got Joe

761
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 1: Rogan saying, look, he's taking it to Cub. This is

762
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 1: one of the best performances we've ever seen from Max.

763
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 1: More of switching stances around two from Max going to

764
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 1: the body just unpredictable. You're really seeing the full sort

765
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 1: of it's hard to pick up this guy's timing because

766
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 1: Max goes high and low, so mixes in body shops,

767
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 1: comes back with uppercuts. You're seeing the full package. In

768
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 1: round three, Rogan saying, this is Max Holloway's finest performance

769
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 1: without questioning the actor gun. He's fighting very technical against

770
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 1: a very dangerous guy. Luke knees to the body, punches upstairs.

771
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 1: Then now he's taking the back and he's doing the

772
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 1: triangle again. This is a cub Swanson who is six

773
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 1: and one over his last seven with wins over future champions.

774
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 1: This was pretty one sided in the end.

775
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 2: It was pretty one sided.

776
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 3: It was surprisingly how he was able to do it.

777
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 2: And again one part of game.

778
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 3: Of Max's game that's either missing now or he just

779
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 3: doesn't go to it. He would use he used to,

780
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 3: and you could see it up to this point, not

781
00:31:57,680 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 3: just in this contest. He used to hunt the back

782
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 3: pretty frequently. Didn't always result in rnaked chokes, obviously he

783
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 3: doesn't have a whole lot of those on his record,

784
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 3: but he was constantly forcing aggressive situations. You talking about

785
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 3: him not being a finisher, at least that was the

786
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 3: impression that you had. Now he died to get the

787
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 3: finish here, but dude, like he was clearly hunting it,

788
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 3: like there was a certain posture he had where he

789
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 3: wasn't trying to win rounds, he wasn't trying to just

790
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 3: win exchanges. He was really trying to damage these guys

791
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 3: and then really put them in compromise positions. There was

792
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 3: a certain attentiveness to this in this particular contest that

793
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 3: maybe I didn't see in some other ones like the

794
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 3: cole Miller.

795
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 1: Absolutely and he would go on Luke to pull a

796
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 1: pull off eight third round submission win via guillotine. Max

797
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 1: had kind of systematically took him up out and heard

798
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 1: him took him to the ground.

799
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 2: Got it.

800
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 1: Rogan's screams, what a spectacular performance he rose to the occasion.

801
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 1: Luke six fight win streak for a still ridiculously young

802
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 1: Max Alloway. And in the next fight you talk about

803
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 1: another early matchup before both of them became who they were.

804
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 1: Just a few months later, it's August of twenty fifteen,

805
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 1: it's UFC Fight Night, and now in his first first

806
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 1: main event, Max Holloway welcomes Doe Bronx Charles olivera who

807
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 1: of course Luke by this point is a dangerous featherweight,

808
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 1: but he's a guy who mixes spectacular wins and losses. Still,

809
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 1: unfortunately we never got to learn what we're supposed to

810
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 1: learn from this fight because this main event Luke from Saskatchewan.

811
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 1: From in Saskatoon, it would be a TKO, but it

812
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 1: would almost have a no contest feel. So what happened

813
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 1: to the esophagus of Charlie OLIVERA. It was really like

814
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 1: a strike for sure against the cage.

815
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 2: And he kind of held it. When I watched it

816
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 2: in real time, I was like, did he mess up

817
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 2: his shoulder?

818
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 3: What was the issue? Basically, there was a strike and

819
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 3: you see Olivera collapse near the fence line. Max doesn't

820
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 3: want to go into the guard.

821
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 2: He backs up. The referee instructs him to stand, and.

822
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 3: He does and then just kind of holds like here

823
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 3: like this, and then turns away and walks off. And

824
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 3: then that's the fight. There's really nothing to say beyond that. This,

825
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 3: By the way, we haven't done a Charles Olivera resume review.

826
00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 3: People talk about him being a quitter, people talked about

827
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 3: him all these things that don't seem relevant anymore. But

828
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 3: if you're wondering why people thought that, it's fights like this,

829
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 3: he had tough fights that.

830
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 2: He had lost before.

831
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 3: You know, it's okay, it's whatever you fight tough guys,

832
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:13,319
Speaker 3: you're going to lose some. You know, the Paul Felder won,

833
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 3: he was hammering him. This is one of the ones

834
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 3: where folks thought like, Okay, Max is good, but Charles

835
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 3: is flaky. In the end, we know what Charles has become,

836
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 3: what Max has become, But this was not. This was

837
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 3: if you're wondering where the seeds of doubt of olivera

838
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 3: come from, they come from knights.

839
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:27,959
Speaker 2: Like this now.

840
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,479
Speaker 1: Coming into the fight. Though Charles Oliver had been writing

841
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 1: a four fight win streak, we'd already seen him lose

842
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 1: to Cob Swanson, Franky Edgar, Donald Serni, Jim Miller. But

843
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 1: a four fight win streak, you beat Jeremy Stevens, you

844
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 1: beat Nick Lentz. But you know, it's sort of a

845
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 1: weird strike hits him and he's done tko esophageal injury.

846
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 1: But it's a seven fight win streak at this point

847
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:50,320
Speaker 1: for Max Holloway, are you thinking future title challenger seven

848
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 1: in a row in a good division?

849
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:54,279
Speaker 2: After he yes, yes I am.

850
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:57,280
Speaker 3: After he won these I began thinking, Okay, this dude

851
00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 3: is very special. Plus if you've been paying attention and

852
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 3: to his improvement fighter a fight.

853
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 2: We're talking about so many fights, but these are in

854
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:04,879
Speaker 2: short order.

855
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:08,799
Speaker 3: The improvement fight of a fight was extraordinary. Obviously, this

856
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:10,719
Speaker 3: is not the best showcase of it because how short

857
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:13,319
Speaker 3: it was, but the Swanson one was he followed up

858
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 3: here Olivera didn't want anymore, and you're like, Okay, we

859
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:18,799
Speaker 3: are getting very close to the very very top of

860
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:19,240
Speaker 3: this division.

861
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 2: Let's see what he can do.

862
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 1: In Max's fourth fight of twenty fifteen, he gets another

863
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:25,360
Speaker 1: prime placement fresh off the main event in the UFC

864
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:26,799
Speaker 1: Fight Night. Now it's going to be on the pay

865
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 1: per view main card UFC one ninety four, December twelfth,

866
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 1: Las Vegas. We remember this fight card well, Luke, of course,

867
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 1: because of Connor McGregor and Jose Aldo finally meeting in

868
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 1: the same division in the main event for the featherweight

869
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 1: title and also rock Hold Wideman for the middleway title

870
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:43,319
Speaker 1: in the co main event. This main card also had

871
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:46,320
Speaker 1: how about this for depth, yol Ramera against Jockaray, Sosa,

872
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 1: Damian Maya against Gunnar Nelson and kicking off this pay

873
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:53,319
Speaker 1: per view, Max Holloway against the hard hitting Jeremy Stevens.

874
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,280
Speaker 1: It you know, in terms of the stakes, it's another

875
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:58,879
Speaker 1: big name, and Stevens had fought everybody up to this point.

876
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 1: He was proven dangerous. We saw I don't want to

877
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 1: say a safe max because it's not true, but a

878
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 1: guy who respected the power coming back at him. So

879
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:09,799
Speaker 1: it's another wrinkle of having to see him. We've seen

880
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 1: him on the you know, as the aggressor. Now we're

881
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:13,479
Speaker 1: seeing him looking to be more of the counter punter.

882
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 2: I think that's a fair assessment.

883
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,879
Speaker 3: And the reason why you can point to the sort

884
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 3: of measured sense of things is also how about this

885
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 3: we talked about him beginning.

886
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 2: We saw this in the cub Swans and fight.

887
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 3: Obviously he's been working out the whole time, but you

888
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,280
Speaker 3: know these moments where they reveal themselves more than others.

889
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 2: He stuffed eleven of Jeremy Stevens's take down attempts, which

890
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:31,879
Speaker 2: is to say all of them.

891
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 3: Now that's not just from physical heft, it's also a

892
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 3: technical skill.

893
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:36,839
Speaker 2: But this is the point I wanted to make.

894
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 3: As he worked on his technical skill as his physical

895
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 3: tools as well developed. Now you're seeing that unity come

896
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:48,359
Speaker 3: together where he's able to not just outstrike these guys,

897
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 3: which we kind of knew he could maybe do up

898
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 3: to this point. He's shutting them down physically, he's shutting

899
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:54,759
Speaker 3: them down in the wrestling department, and the rest of

900
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 3: his game.

901
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:57,319
Speaker 2: Has room to breathe at this point.

902
00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:59,319
Speaker 3: A very defining fight, not a historic fight in the

903
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 3: sense you'll remember as one of the biggest Max fights,

904
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 3: but one of those ones where you was a clear

905
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 3: indication of the progress he was making for future yas.

906
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 1: Yes, the fight made a lot of sense because all

907
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:10,959
Speaker 1: though Stevens can alternate wins and losses, Stevens had lost

908
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 1: to Comb Swanson and Charles Olavera by decision in succession,

909
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 1: but that was after a four fight win streak. Then

910
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 1: he came back and TKO Dennis Bermudez would beaten Max,

911
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 1: although that was obviously disputed in the end though Max

912
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 1: did avoid the big one here and got the decision wins,

913
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 1: so it is a bit of survive in advance in

914
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:29,400
Speaker 1: some ways.

915
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 3: Yes, again, of all the Max fights, this one won't

916
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:34,359
Speaker 3: go down as the most legendary, but it is an

917
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:38,359
Speaker 3: important contribution to the overall resume, of course, as well

918
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 3: as an indication of the development he had made to the.

919
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 1: Eight straight wins for Max. Now I remember heading into

920
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 1: UFC one ninety nine in twenty sixteen, you're starting to

921
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 1: talk about uncrowned champion or how many more wins? Is

922
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 1: this guy gonna need eight in a row to finally

923
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:58,320
Speaker 1: get a title shot? As the last card, McGregor becomes

924
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 1: the champion from Aldough. Everyone's trying to get in the

925
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 1: McGregor sweepstakes, and here we go. It's Ricardo Lamis.

926
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:08,240
Speaker 2: This is a historic fight.

927
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 1: And it's UFC one ninety nine, and this is of

928
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 1: course main evented by bisbeeing at last minute defeating rock Hold.

929
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 1: Then you got faber Dom Cruise three. But this was

930
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 1: prime placement in Los Angeles at the Forum one ninety nine.

931
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 1: I was there, Luke, you were there.

932
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 2: Correct, une I was watching live, but I was not there.

933
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:26,840
Speaker 1: Okay, Ariel had the backstage. There's a lot going on,

934
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:29,840
Speaker 1: rock Lesner. Rock Lesner gets announced that night in the

935
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 1: Comeback with the Video feature. But Luke, even though Bisbeing

936
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 1: had his moment and that took the headlines, this fight

937
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:38,720
Speaker 1: had a moment that it's going to be hard to forget,

938
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 1: especially since that that Southern California crowd ate it up.

939
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 1: I want to fast forward to the final ten seconds

940
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 1: because that's the biggest takeaway from this fight. Max was

941
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 1: in control. Even though Lamas is game ten years older

942
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:51,879
Speaker 1: than him, has a longer reach. Max had boxed very well,

943
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,239
Speaker 1: took some damage, but really is the commanding fighter. But

944
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 1: with ten seconds to going round three, he says, meet

945
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 1: me right here. He would say afterwards that Lamas's body

946
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 1: language said to him, I want I want to bang

947
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:02,840
Speaker 1: in the middle. Hey, two week, let's bang.

948
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:04,759
Speaker 3: D This was such an incredible moment, as he mentioned,

949
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:06,839
Speaker 3: last ten seconds points at the middle and by the way,

950
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:09,360
Speaker 3: credit to Lamas, he was a good dance partner for

951
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 3: that particular moment. So Loamas the bully himself and they

952
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 3: go swinging. This was such a historic moment that they

953
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 3: put it into the video game subsequently where if you

954
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 3: were playing Max you could play where at the last

955
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:23,880
Speaker 3: the end of the bout you could you know, hit

956
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 3: obviously one of the instructions on the on the on

957
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 3: whatever they called the joysticker, whatever the fuck it's called,

958
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 3: and he would the character would point to the mat

959
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 3: and you two could slug it out there. That was

960
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 3: This was the one that defined Max as not just

961
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 3: a great fighter in this division. I want to point

962
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 3: out something here too. This is when a little bit

963
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:43,240
Speaker 3: before this, but you're really seeing it here now crystallize

964
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:44,919
Speaker 3: becoming a fan face.

965
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 1: And he was already in control of this fight. So

966
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 1: the fact that he was willing to do this right,

967
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 1: it reminds me of Eric Morales against Pacio in their

968
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 1: first fight, when he went south puff for no reason

969
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:53,759
Speaker 1: in the twelfth round, but to just show you that

970
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 1: I got balls right. This was an I got balls

971
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 1: moment from Max, but it came in a fight in

972
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:00,319
Speaker 1: which he controlled. He was winning Lamas as a tough.

973
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 3: So he was tuning Lamas off. He hit him win

974
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 3: that head kick early in the first round. The jab

975
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 3: was working as much as it needed to. He stuffed

976
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 3: I think all of Ricardo Loamis's takedowns and then, but

977
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 3: we should talk about it too.

978
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,359
Speaker 2: You know, he got those other wins like will Chop.

979
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 3: He would celebrate as all fighters do when they win,

980
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:21,239
Speaker 3: but this was when he had some swag. Dude, you're

981
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 3: really beginning to see him like. That's why he pointed,

982
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 3: because yes, he was in control, but he was so

983
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 3: he was such a believer in his own abilities. At

984
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 3: that moment, he was such a believer in what he

985
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:34,920
Speaker 3: could do, and because he was becoming a fan favorite,

986
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:37,240
Speaker 3: I think all those things coalesced him too one moment

987
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:39,840
Speaker 3: and then he pointed to the Matt very very historic.

988
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 1: They people ask me, you know, in MMA terms, like

989
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 1: what's the biggest pop you've heard from the crowd or craziness?

990
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:46,799
Speaker 1: You know, visiting knocking out rock Hole was a big

991
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:49,319
Speaker 1: pop that same night. Obviously I was there when Connor

992
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 1: lost the Nate in the first one at one ninety six.

993
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:53,240
Speaker 1: But Luke, for some reason, that moment, that ten seconds

994
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 1: the crowd went ape shit, That's as big of a

995
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 1: pop as I've ever heard in the UFC. Was just

996
00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 1: a beautiful, organic ballsy monoy mono moment, and I'll never

997
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 1: forget it. But that was also his eighth straight win.

998
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:07,279
Speaker 1: And Luke, that would be the fight where he would

999
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:09,359
Speaker 1: start to use Jose Aldo's name, because then the post

1000
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:12,319
Speaker 1: fight interview afterwards, as corny as it was looking back

1001
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:15,280
Speaker 1: on it, the whole Jose Waldough, Where's Jose Waldo, where's

1002
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:18,319
Speaker 1: he at? Hashtag? You know, where's Jose Waldough? It was

1003
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 1: Matt saying, look what the hell you want me to do,

1004
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 1: Dane on UFC. In fact, he yelled, you know, Dana,

1005
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 1: give me the bonus. You saw this like eight straight wins.

1006
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:27,400
Speaker 1: He was starting to become the Young Crown Champion. Now, Luke,

1007
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen is the is the area where Connor's going

1008
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 1: to go on to win two titles by the close

1009
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 1: of that year and then disappear for a while. But

1010
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 1: didn't they put that summer In the next card UFC

1011
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 1: two hundred in Las Vegas, they put the interim title

1012
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:45,239
Speaker 1: on the line for the rematch between Frankie Edgar and

1013
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 1: Jose Aldough. Josie Aldo would dominate over five rounds become

1014
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 1: the interim champion. So Max instead of getting Jose Or

1015
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 1: Connor was supposed to get Frankie Edgar next. How did

1016
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 1: that make sense back then?

1017
00:41:57,480 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 3: I don't remember how that made sense back then, but

1018
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:02,760
Speaker 3: either it ended up being Anthony Pettis for the interim title.

1019
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 1: So it would be December tenth, twenty sixteen, in Toronto

1020
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 1: to close the year. Talk about the tenth island, Luke, right, ninth?

1021
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:09,840
Speaker 1: What number island is that?

1022
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 3: I think Vegas is the ninth island. Okay, I think

1023
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:15,760
Speaker 3: either Toronto or Canada is the tenth island.

1024
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 1: So tenth island and you talk about a big moment.

1025
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 1: So Anthony Pettis at this point, Luke, he had already

1026
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:22,279
Speaker 1: had that couple fight losing streak where he lost the

1027
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 1: belt by knockout where he loses who he loves to

1028
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:26,800
Speaker 1: come back off of there. I should probably get that right, Luke. Okay,

1029
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,800
Speaker 1: Anthony showtime. Pettis Well, he lost RDA, loses to RDA

1030
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:32,720
Speaker 1: for the title. Eddie Alvarez takes a split decision against

1031
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 1: him in the next fight, and then he loses the

1032
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:37,319
Speaker 1: decision of Barbosa, so it's three losses in a row.

1033
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:40,360
Speaker 1: He rebounds against Charles Olivera to submit him and remember

1034
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 1: that moment when in his featherweight debut, So it's Peedis

1035
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 1: who's already lost the title. Lightweight Weedy's box thing is

1036
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:48,479
Speaker 1: all over three fight losing skid. He did move down though,

1037
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 1: and beats Charles Olivera, although it seems like all the

1038
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 1: elite names were doing that as Olovera was on the

1039
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 1: end run of missing weight getting criticized. So he goes

1040
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:58,479
Speaker 1: into the Holloway fight as a replacement. Do you remember

1041
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:00,759
Speaker 1: UFC two O six feeling like Anthony Pettis had a

1042
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 1: chancer at featherweight.

1043
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:03,800
Speaker 3: So this is when I was very high on Max

1044
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:05,840
Speaker 3: and I thought it was going to be pretty competitive.

1045
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:10,240
Speaker 3: But when Pettis missed weight and missed weight pretty badly, yes,

1046
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 3: that was when when you go back to forty eight,

1047
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 3: that's right, that's when you go back to Max being

1048
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,359
Speaker 3: a body puncher. You're like, ah, And by the way,

1049
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 3: we already knew.

1050
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 2: At this point that Max had a sick chin. Yes,

1051
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 2: so he's got a good chin, good job, good high out,

1052
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 2: great takedown defense, great takedown defense. It's like, dude, Pettis

1053
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:25,839
Speaker 2: might be up against it on this one.

1054
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 1: For some reason, Luke, this was the final days of

1055
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 1: me still doubting, no doubt as I was. You know,

1056
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 1: some guys you're just always going to be late to

1057
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 1: the party on or there's something about them that you

1058
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:38,840
Speaker 1: can't buy into. I thought Pettis looked so good against Olavera,

1059
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 1: getting that submission and just looking physically dominant at this

1060
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 1: weight class that I'm thinking, look, Mexican finished Pettis, and

1061
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 1: if he's willing to get into a war with him,

1062
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 1: I've seen Anthony Pettis do six. Shit, he's going to

1063
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 1: be the bigger fighter with the power of Luke. Obviously

1064
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:54,320
Speaker 1: the three pound missing weight had to play a factor,

1065
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:55,319
Speaker 1: but it didn't matter.

1066
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:55,800
Speaker 2: Dude.

1067
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, Pettis landed a striker too, to remind you that

1068
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 1: he's got power there. But dude, this is a clinical

1069
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:05,279
Speaker 1: Max Halloway. This was a brutal Max Holloway. And once

1070
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:07,359
Speaker 1: he stopped him, you're like, he just kicked the shit

1071
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:08,880
Speaker 1: out of a former champion and he just beat the

1072
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 1: shit out of this guy.

1073
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:12,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, there was the issue about Anthony Pettis shaking out

1074
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:12,719
Speaker 3: his hands.

1075
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 1: He heard his right hand, which certainly changed him. He's

1076
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:18,360
Speaker 1: going southpaw, but that just sped up him getting just surgically.

1077
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 2: This is my point, like Max Is, I mean, how

1078
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:22,879
Speaker 2: many great things can you say about Max? Another one

1079
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 2: is he's fucking durable. Dude, He's durable.

1080
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:27,720
Speaker 3: He's fighting consistently, he has a good chin, he doesn't

1081
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 3: seem to get injured.

1082
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:29,800
Speaker 2: He puts it on.

1083
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 3: Anthony Pettis with the vast majority of this contest, and

1084
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:33,919
Speaker 3: again we go back to it. He ended up being

1085
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 3: a lot guy who targeted the head a lot. But

1086
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 3: this is another one of his frankly one of his

1087
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 3: most important wins and what did it come from? Bodywork?

1088
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:43,399
Speaker 3: Body work was the thing that did it for him.

1089
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 3: Max Holloway has made a career off of roasting the

1090
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:48,279
Speaker 3: ribs of one forty five vers.

1091
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 1: Max is the interim featherweight champion. A month before, Connor

1092
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 1: McGregor had oh.

1093
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:53,439
Speaker 2: The way last thing on this dude.

1094
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:55,319
Speaker 3: Did you see the look on Pettis's face when when

1095
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:56,799
Speaker 3: heaves Levine finally waved it.

1096
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 2: He just goes oh, like he was.

1097
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 1: He was glad he was that set it up and

1098
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 1: it was punch as that finished it. But he got

1099
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:04,359
Speaker 1: but there.

1100
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 2: Was there almost was. It was.

1101
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 3: It was halfway wincing from pain, halfway relief that that

1102
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 3: shit was over.

1103
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 1: So a month before this fight, Connor McGregor had knocked

1104
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 1: out at Eddie ELVs To become the first simultaneous two

1105
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 1: division champion, and he was more or less asked by

1106
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 1: UFC and Dana White to pick a division, pick a title,

1107
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 1: so Luke Josie Alda would be named the full champion,

1108
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 1: which of course opened up the interim opportunity. Now we're

1109
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 1: going to unify, and it's not that much longer, It's right,

1110
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:30,840
Speaker 1: around the corner in twenty seventeen June third, it's UFC

1111
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:33,799
Speaker 1: two twelve and Max says, Interim champion has to go

1112
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 1: to Rio to fight the damn King of Rio. Luke,

1113
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 1: you look back and you rewatch these two Joseialdo fights.

1114
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 1: They're a lot more fun sometimes than I remember. But

1115
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 1: the end is the same for both of them.

1116
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 2: And nearly the same timeframe.

1117
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:50,759
Speaker 1: By this, this is the best Matt. Now, these are

1118
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 1: two different fights with different things we'll get into. Let's

1119
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 1: start on just the first one right here. I remember

1120
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 1: again this was the last time. No, actually, I'm not

1121
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:00,040
Speaker 1: gonna lie. I doubted him in the although rematch for

1122
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 1: some reason too, did you really? I don't know why.

1123
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:05,239
Speaker 1: Why why? I probably it was because of the legend

1124
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:06,839
Speaker 1: of Jose. I'm think, Okay, he'll go back and he'll

1125
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 1: figure it out. And I know he took the second

1126
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 1: fight as a last minute opponent too, So there's other

1127
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 1: things that went on there. But Luke in this first

1128
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 1: one with Josie Aldo in that first round, Although hits

1129
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:23,320
Speaker 1: him with a big combination late which may have stole

1130
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 1: the round, and it reminds you of all those threat

1131
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 1: and his danger in his power. But until that combination,

1132
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:31,840
Speaker 1: Max is quick and he's long, and he's given Jose issues.

1133
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:32,879
Speaker 2: He has given Jose issues.

1134
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:34,279
Speaker 3: So the thing that was kind of interesting to me is,

1135
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 3: I we'll go over this in the because I kind

1136
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 3: of want to talk about the Aldo fights as a

1137
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:39,879
Speaker 3: pair where folks may not appreciate this. So I did

1138
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 3: this when I was when I did the Monday Morning

1139
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:45,799
Speaker 3: Analyst Max. When he fought him the first time, you'll

1140
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 3: see two twelve, he circled to his own right the

1141
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 3: whole way, because what's the key to fighting Aldo.

1142
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:50,880
Speaker 2: You got to turn him.

1143
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:53,360
Speaker 3: If Aldo can face you and then plant his feet,

1144
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 3: he's going to be a hard Yes, gotta beat But

1145
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 3: if you're constantly making Aldo turn, he can't set, which

1146
00:46:58,239 --> 00:46:59,279
Speaker 3: would limit the amount of like kicks.

1147
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 2: So THO, obviously he gets through no matter what. But

1148
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 2: that was big.

1149
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 3: In the rematch he went the exact opposite direction. He

1150
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 3: forced him to turn, but not in any of the

1151
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:09,319
Speaker 3: same way he did the first time around, which by

1152
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 3: the way, speaks to Max. But to the point I

1153
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 3: want to raise here in terms of this first fight, dude,

1154
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 3: this is Max. Yes, he got drilled with a big

1155
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 3: shot at the end of the first but he and

1156
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:22,040
Speaker 3: his jab and the amount of offense he can just

1157
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 3: it's just.

1158
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:24,400
Speaker 2: Snowballs with him, does it not?

1159
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 3: Every little piece it doesn't feel like it lands, and

1160
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:30,240
Speaker 3: then you start fresh. When Max is in a flow,

1161
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 3: everything feels like it's stacking on top of itself. And

1162
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 3: I felt like by the beginning of the third I

1163
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:39,800
Speaker 3: thought Aldo was I didn't think in trouble per se,

1164
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:41,400
Speaker 3: but I thought that the fight was definitely headed in

1165
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 3: a bad direction for dude.

1166
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 1: Aldo had got caught in a guest tank issue, I

1167
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 1: think right there, because he got caught up in the

1168
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 1: second round in some big moments of trying to go

1169
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 1: back and forth and he just couldn't deal with it.

1170
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 1: And there was a change at the end of round

1171
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 1: two that I think was the turning point. And I

1172
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 1: thought that, let me take you back to the McGregor fight.

1173
00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:00,879
Speaker 1: McGregor's put it before that when it became a wrestling match,

1174
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:02,759
Speaker 1: gregregor was putting on putting it on Max. And one

1175
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 1: thing McGregor was doing was that old McGregor thing of

1176
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:06,879
Speaker 1: quick left cross hit you and then and then put

1177
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 1: the hands up like like come on, you know what

1178
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 1: I mean to keep doing that? Max started doing that

1179
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:13,319
Speaker 1: to Jose in the end of the second round, and

1180
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 1: there was a specific sequence where he landed big and

1181
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:18,239
Speaker 1: then he stood there and was like, come on, that

1182
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:21,359
Speaker 1: was the turning point of stopping to show respect for

1183
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 1: for the elder, for the for the for the seemingly

1184
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:25,759
Speaker 1: more dangerous king of Rio. And from that moment on,

1185
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 1: I thought that turn was the turn in the rivalry

1186
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:30,400
Speaker 1: between them. The two of them is certainly in that

1187
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:33,240
Speaker 1: fight because he just started to put it on Jose,

1188
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 1: but I still didn't think it would end how it ended,

1189
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 1: and now how it ended twice in a row with

1190
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 1: him kind of brutalizing Jose and getting stop it.

1191
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 3: And also what was kind of crazy about it is

1192
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 3: I mean, again, he had set it up with all

1193
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 3: the work he had done previously, but it was just

1194
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 3: a one to two which Aldo slips and then comes

1195
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 3: back and he threw the exact same thing right behind

1196
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 3: it and it landed perfectly.

1197
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:52,440
Speaker 2: And then from there, dude, it.

1198
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 3: Was a fucking onslaught to the point where they probably

1199
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 3: could have called that one a little bit sooner. But

1200
00:48:57,640 --> 00:49:00,319
Speaker 3: to your point, it's Jose, Aldo, the King of Rio.

1201
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:03,279
Speaker 3: You're in Rio. Max was gonna have to beat him

1202
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:05,960
Speaker 3: real badly to do it, and that is exactly what

1203
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:06,399
Speaker 3: he did.

1204
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 1: Max is the champion. The wind streak is eleven. I

1205
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:13,120
Speaker 1: remember being humbled to watch, although I mean it's not

1206
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 1: like I hadn't already seen him get knocked outy Connor McGregor,

1207
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:17,279
Speaker 1: But there is a Fluke element to that, Luke, as

1208
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 1: much as it's an absolutely legitimate they both landed the

1209
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:21,800
Speaker 1: first you know, major sequence between the two of the

1210
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:24,319
Speaker 1: land at the same time. Connors was better. But to

1211
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 1: see Josiel to lose the belt where a younger yeah,

1212
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 1: I guess faster but maybe not.

1213
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 2: Not not stronger, faster, better time.

1214
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, better, more, more efficient, more proficient, more everything, just

1215
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 1: piece him up to where he just didn't have an answer.

1216
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 3: But Luke, by the way, this is also like this

1217
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:43,880
Speaker 3: was like one of the very best examples of Max's

1218
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:46,840
Speaker 3: jabbing boxing flow state. Yes, when he gets into that

1219
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 3: jabbing boxing flow state, is he.

1220
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:51,720
Speaker 1: So he raises his profile and even me, who's still

1221
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:53,799
Speaker 1: not ready somehow at eleven fights in a row to

1222
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:56,839
Speaker 1: fully give Max the go. Here's what I remember why

1223
00:49:56,880 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 1: I still entered that rematch with although picking jose because Jolie,

1224
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 1: although completely abandoned the leg strikes against Max in the

1225
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 1: first fight, completely abandoned it to the point where it

1226
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 1: started to say is this a thing? Is Jose trying

1227
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 1: to conserve energy? What is going on? And interviews was

1228
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 1: the first question. Everyone's a You're gonna get back to

1229
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:14,360
Speaker 1: the Alldo of old. There was a stat red in

1230
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 1: a previous Max fight that the only people that sort

1231
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:19,319
Speaker 1: of had success against Max at the start of the

1232
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 1: wind streak were people that went to the legs lamas

1233
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:25,320
Speaker 1: had a consistent legs strike attack. A couple others in

1234
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 1: this run where that was sort of the only area

1235
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 1: in Max who can control distance. So well, we know

1236
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:33,320
Speaker 1: he's quick and accurate, and he hits hard enough. Sometimes

1237
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:35,399
Speaker 1: the only success you can have against if you can't

1238
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 1: take him down. No one really goes to the body

1239
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:39,440
Speaker 1: at this point against him consistently. Sometimes the leg strikes

1240
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 1: are the only way. I'm thinking, Okay, you get back

1241
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:44,200
Speaker 1: to being the Jose Aldo of old, and you're particularly

1242
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 1: ready to dig in and go to war. This rematch

1243
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:49,240
Speaker 1: could be different now, Luke. Earlier I had said that

1244
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:52,239
Speaker 1: that Anthony Pettis in the interim fight replaced Frankie Edgar.

1245
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:54,480
Speaker 1: I had my timeline wrong. Pettis got the title shot

1246
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:56,480
Speaker 1: on his own because of his name. He beat Charles

1247
00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:59,880
Speaker 1: Oliver in his Featherway debut. This rematch, though, was supposed

1248
00:50:59,920 --> 00:51:03,440
Speaker 1: to be Frankie Edgar against the now full champion undisputed

1249
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:06,040
Speaker 1: Max all the Way, but instead that same calendar year

1250
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 1: at the end of it December second, twenty seventeen, it's

1251
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:13,759
Speaker 1: UFC two eighteen from Detroit, and it's Josee Alder who

1252
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:17,600
Speaker 1: got the call when Frankie Edgar couldn't do it, so Luke.

1253
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 1: In the second fight, we actually see jose Aldo go

1254
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:23,880
Speaker 1: to the legs a bit. But I just felt like

1255
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:25,959
Speaker 1: there was a complete difference in this one, and maybe

1256
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:27,799
Speaker 1: it goes back to my turning point where Max just

1257
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 1: stopped respecting although stop you know, bowing down to the

1258
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 1: to the glory of it. It felt like a different

1259
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 1: fight from what Max was, just like, I have no

1260
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 1: respect for you. I'm gonna walk you down.

1261
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 2: No.

1262
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:40,000
Speaker 1: Jose although did bite down in the mouthpiece, he did

1263
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:41,719
Speaker 1: land some big shots in return. There was a couple

1264
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:42,400
Speaker 1: of moments where you're like.

1265
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 2: Exchanges to you.

1266
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:46,279
Speaker 1: There were some moments, you know, because this this fight

1267
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:48,160
Speaker 1: would end at the tail end of the third round.

1268
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:50,280
Speaker 2: There both of them enter the tailor of the third.

1269
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:52,560
Speaker 1: Round, and like the Ortega fight which would come after this,

1270
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:55,440
Speaker 1: there were moments from Ortega and from Although in this

1271
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:57,480
Speaker 1: rematch where I'm like, oh shit, he may have he

1272
00:51:57,520 --> 00:51:59,080
Speaker 1: may have buzzed Max if he could just put together

1273
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:01,440
Speaker 1: a little bit more like he's in this fight. But

1274
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:04,920
Speaker 1: Max refused to ever not take that lead posture of

1275
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:07,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna walk you down and stop you. Is this

1276
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:10,640
Speaker 1: his finest performance? I mean, dude, the dismantling of Petis

1277
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 1: was ridiculous. The fact that he went in there against

1278
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 1: now king again Josie Aldough and broke him down in

1279
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 1: the first fight was ridiculous. But this second fight, I

1280
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 1: think you'll understand there's no excuse for from Aaldough. The

1281
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:24,080
Speaker 1: lake attack was there. He also was very willing to

1282
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:26,319
Speaker 1: bite down on the mouthpiece and go for it and say, look,

1283
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:28,120
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to stop me to stop me here,

1284
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 1: and that's exactly what Max did. This is a amazing performance.

1285
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 3: When the first bell rang and I watched Max start

1286
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:38,400
Speaker 3: circling clockwise, and the entire first fight he was going counterclockwise.

1287
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:39,919
Speaker 2: I was like, you, son of a bitch.

1288
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:43,359
Speaker 3: Wow, that is super impressive because this, here's the thing.

1289
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:45,880
Speaker 3: You couldn't call the first one of Fluke. You couldn't

1290
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 3: call that because he got dismantled. But dude, to beat

1291
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 3: Jose Aldo in back to back fights.

1292
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:54,719
Speaker 2: With not the same game plan but the same skill.

1293
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:57,360
Speaker 3: Set basically just reapplied in a slightly different although in

1294
00:52:57,560 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 3: hugely impactful way, was just theeal magisterial and dude, Yes,

1295
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:05,239
Speaker 3: Aldo actually landed much more in this fight than he

1296
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:06,360
Speaker 3: did in the previous one.

1297
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 2: Max two.

1298
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:08,560
Speaker 3: Both of them had a higher output relative to the

1299
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:10,520
Speaker 3: first one. The first one, they were both a little

1300
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:12,839
Speaker 3: bit more conservative. They let it hang out a little

1301
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:15,359
Speaker 3: bit more in the second one. But dude, again, by

1302
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 3: the end of the second round, Jose Aldo was in

1303
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 3: bad shape.

1304
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:19,759
Speaker 2: His face was getting marked up.

1305
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:22,280
Speaker 3: And to the point you raised, yes, you'd seen McGregor

1306
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:24,279
Speaker 3: do that, and you'd seen Aldo have some fights that

1307
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:26,600
Speaker 3: got kind of closed here or there. You had never

1308
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:29,960
Speaker 3: seen anybody, so I'm not going to say easily, but

1309
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:33,880
Speaker 3: it seemed that way put it on Jose Aldo the

1310
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 3: way Max did. Max is really the first guy. Yes,

1311
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 3: of course, Edgar sorry McGregor slept him, But I'm just saying,

1312
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:43,799
Speaker 3: over the course of fifteen minutes, just fucking audited him.

1313
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:44,760
Speaker 2: He was just better.

1314
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:47,360
Speaker 3: And for Max being able to just take a game plan,

1315
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:50,120
Speaker 3: slightly issue it, I slightly change it. This is when

1316
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:52,759
Speaker 3: I begin to call him a modular striker, because if

1317
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:54,480
Speaker 3: he needs to be right handed, he can be. If

1318
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:56,239
Speaker 3: he needs to be southball, he can be. If he

1319
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:58,839
Speaker 3: needs to jab, if he needs to counter strike, whatever

1320
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:01,640
Speaker 3: he needs to do, he can just adjust to that

1321
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:03,080
Speaker 3: and all of it.

1322
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:05,880
Speaker 2: Works for him. That was what I took from this performance.

1323
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:08,200
Speaker 1: So, Luke, we don't talk a lot for some reason

1324
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:12,040
Speaker 1: about this card. UFC two eighteen December twenty seventeen in Detroit.

1325
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:15,480
Speaker 1: Here's the last two fights on the prelim card that

1326
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 1: Yancy Madero's Cowboy Olivera brawl, the Poulfelder Charles Olivera brawl.

1327
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:23,840
Speaker 1: And here's your main card. Tisha Torres against Michelle Waterson,

1328
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:28,480
Speaker 1: Eddie Alvarez against Justin Gaegee, Henry Sejudo against Sergio Pettis,

1329
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:31,480
Speaker 1: which was the fight of the year, Francis and Gando

1330
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:32,440
Speaker 1: against Overim and.

1331
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:34,080
Speaker 2: The Koman I was one of the worst KOs I've

1332
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:34,399
Speaker 2: ever seen.

1333
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 1: And then Max Halloway and although giving you three rounds

1334
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:39,600
Speaker 1: of pure action, Max has a pay per view main

1335
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:42,320
Speaker 1: event in three consecutive times, gives you a finish of Pettis,

1336
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:45,880
Speaker 1: two brutal finishes of Aldo. Everything has come together. This

1337
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 1: is win twelve of his thirteen fight win streak. He's

1338
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:52,080
Speaker 1: a fan favorite, He's now a commercial pound for pound guy.

1339
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:54,840
Speaker 1: I mean this is really prime peak Max Holloway.

1340
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:57,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, this was such a triumphant moment to beat Jose

1341
00:54:57,719 --> 00:54:59,640
Speaker 3: Aldo not once but twice, and to do it back

1342
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:01,920
Speaker 3: to back when there can be no excuses and to

1343
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:05,000
Speaker 3: your point at the top of the card, entertaining again.

1344
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:06,920
Speaker 3: We had said prior to this, even in the Cup

1345
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:08,880
Speaker 3: Swanson fight, this is when Max was really becoming a

1346
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:09,680
Speaker 3: fan favorite.

1347
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:11,879
Speaker 2: This was Max in full right.

1348
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:14,719
Speaker 3: Fans are loving him, delivering on what you want from

1349
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:16,040
Speaker 3: a if you're buying a pay per.

1350
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:17,279
Speaker 2: View, you're getting what you're paying for.

1351
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 3: And to beat the best fight away at them all time,

1352
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:21,240
Speaker 3: back to back by.

1353
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:23,280
Speaker 2: Finish and by the way, ever both times.

1354
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:24,759
Speaker 3: Inside the fourth minute or spell right around the fourth

1355
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:29,319
Speaker 3: minute of the third round, Like dude, he was just unstoppable,

1356
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:30,839
Speaker 3: and that was when you knew it was like okay,

1357
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:33,239
Speaker 3: Connor's doing whatever the fuck Connor's doing. But right now

1358
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:34,680
Speaker 3: I know who the best one forty five or is.

1359
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 2: It's Mater.

1360
00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:36,839
Speaker 1: And I don't look at that second win, which again

1361
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:39,520
Speaker 1: only came because Edgar pulled out because of injury, although

1362
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:41,120
Speaker 1: it was supposed to face Ricardo Loamus, but he came

1363
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:43,200
Speaker 1: in on short notice. I don't look at that as oh,

1364
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:46,800
Speaker 1: well that was now old or washy or battle bruised,

1365
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:49,000
Speaker 1: although that was although who came in with a body

1366
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:51,879
Speaker 1: punch attack. Two In the second fight, the leg strikes Luke.

1367
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:53,440
Speaker 1: He was willing to go out on a shield and

1368
00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:56,080
Speaker 1: Max made him what that is a that is legendary shit?

1369
00:55:56,080 --> 00:55:58,160
Speaker 1: And what is he at that point? This is twenty seventeen,

1370
00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:00,880
Speaker 1: that's five years ago almost. He's he's like, he's like,

1371
00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:03,600
Speaker 1: I mean, that's just ridiculous. Twenty five Luke, the final

1372
00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:06,520
Speaker 1: fight on this incredible thirteen fight win streak.

1373
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:08,440
Speaker 3: By the way, you're saying the win streak ends with

1374
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:11,240
Speaker 3: Dustin Puarier, but technically at one forty five, it doesn't

1375
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:12,239
Speaker 3: end until twenty nine.

1376
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:14,560
Speaker 1: Correct in terms of his featherweight run. But like this

1377
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:16,440
Speaker 1: win streak, by the way, has already had names like

1378
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:20,000
Speaker 1: Andre Feeley, Cubs wantson Charles Olivera, Jeremy Stevens, Ricardo Lamis

1379
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:23,960
Speaker 1: Pettis twice. Although and now we have a red hot

1380
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:26,560
Speaker 1: Brian Ortega and a dangerous Brian Ortega and a guy

1381
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:31,680
Speaker 1: who definitely looks like an unfinished product, more submission heavy.

1382
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:33,960
Speaker 1: He can get down in fights and have to pull

1383
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:36,920
Speaker 1: out a dramatic third round submission win a couple times.

1384
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:39,919
Speaker 1: But that stoppage of Frankie Edgar a name was still

1385
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:43,560
Speaker 1: around and still relevant. That was brutal Luke. Coming into this,

1386
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:47,240
Speaker 1: I now was believing in the the lore, the aura

1387
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:48,359
Speaker 1: of Max full Ods.

1388
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:50,120
Speaker 2: Well, he dropped Edgar with the elbow yep.

1389
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:53,200
Speaker 1: But I'm also after that Edgar victory going if Brian

1390
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:55,880
Speaker 1: o't take a striking, is anywhere close to some of

1391
00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 1: those dramatic submission wins. I'm saying Max could beat him

1392
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:01,239
Speaker 1: eight or nine out of ten times, but this fight

1393
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:03,320
Speaker 1: may be those one or two times because Brian Ortakea

1394
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:05,560
Speaker 1: didn't do that. What I did not expect coming into

1395
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:08,640
Speaker 1: this fight December eighth, twenty eighteen, I had a very

1396
00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:11,239
Speaker 1: different view of this UFC two thirty one. I came

1397
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:13,960
Speaker 1: in here thinking you know what, if he takes them

1398
00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:17,000
Speaker 1: lightly or if whatever, you know, Brian Ortakea can do something,

1399
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:18,760
Speaker 1: it's gonna be hard to take Max down. But let's see

1400
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:21,160
Speaker 1: what happens. I didn't expect Brian Ortaga to come in

1401
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:24,400
Speaker 1: blood or in guts, Mexican brawler style, just coming straight

1402
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:27,040
Speaker 1: on boxing, no ground game. I am just gonna let

1403
00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:29,040
Speaker 1: you tear my face off and that's gonna wake me

1404
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:30,960
Speaker 1: up and then I'm gonna keep coming. Look, I know

1405
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:33,080
Speaker 1: we look back at this as one sided and violent

1406
00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:36,520
Speaker 1: and vicious, and that's all true. But Ortega was willing

1407
00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:38,880
Speaker 1: to die in there. Dude, there's a brutal fight in hindsight.

1408
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:41,680
Speaker 1: UFC two thirty one, Toronto, the main event in the

1409
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:42,240
Speaker 1: pay per view.

1410
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:45,440
Speaker 3: This is This fight was such a beating. I was

1411
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:48,720
Speaker 3: worried about Ortega's career after this. I worried that the

1412
00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:51,280
Speaker 3: corner didn't do him any favors. I worried that it

1413
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:53,320
Speaker 3: went on too long because you mentioned Max.

1414
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:54,080
Speaker 2: It's not like he has Fran.

1415
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:55,760
Speaker 3: I mean, he's one forty five and versus the headweight,

1416
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:57,720
Speaker 3: but I'm trying to point out it's only he has

1417
00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:00,720
Speaker 3: like massive power one forty five. But what he does

1418
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:03,240
Speaker 3: have is this Chinese water torture where it just after

1419
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:05,000
Speaker 3: two or three rounds, you can see what look look,

1420
00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:07,680
Speaker 3: look at it into three rounds of to jozialdo two dimes.

1421
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:10,200
Speaker 3: He just couldn't withstand it, Like there's just there's this

1422
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:15,400
Speaker 3: punishing relentlessness to Max's game. And I thought, through the

1423
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:18,240
Speaker 3: first two rounds or Tega was getting eaten alive. I

1424
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:20,160
Speaker 3: will give Ortega a ton of credit knowledge did he

1425
00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:22,120
Speaker 3: like by the way the fight was stopped at the

1426
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:24,080
Speaker 3: end of the fourth round by virtue of the doctor

1427
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:25,400
Speaker 3: coming in and being like, yeah, fuck this, We're not

1428
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:27,200
Speaker 3: going to keep doing this anymore because his eye was

1429
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:30,120
Speaker 3: such a disaster. But in the third round he got

1430
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:31,479
Speaker 3: back out there and took it to Max.

1431
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:34,000
Speaker 1: And there were moments in the second round, but particularly

1432
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:36,840
Speaker 1: the third round, I thought the momentum was changing. I thought,

1433
00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:39,240
Speaker 1: I'm watching it happen because Ortega's face is a mess

1434
00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:41,160
Speaker 1: and you're wondering how long it can last. But then

1435
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:43,200
Speaker 1: he comes right back in with combinations that are so

1436
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:44,200
Speaker 1: flush and hard.

1437
00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 2: Look, Max is changing the elbows too. Off the clinch breaks.

1438
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:49,560
Speaker 1: Max's next fight against Pory in the rematch would need

1439
00:58:49,720 --> 00:58:51,600
Speaker 1: a lot of chin, and he showed it. He showed

1440
00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:53,240
Speaker 1: a lot of chin in these moments because Luke, as

1441
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:54,760
Speaker 1: much as he was getting hit with bombs coming back

1442
00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:58,200
Speaker 1: from Ortega, he never physically showed Ortega that it's bothering him, right,

1443
00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:01,880
Speaker 1: He just kept readjusting, resetting and piecing him up and

1444
00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:05,640
Speaker 1: look or Tekea's game plan certainly wasn't great, like my

1445
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:06,880
Speaker 1: criticism was, it wasn't.

1446
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:08,400
Speaker 3: I don't think it's a game plan. He was just

1447
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:10,920
Speaker 3: he was overmatched for that stage.

1448
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:13,080
Speaker 1: He basically was like, I'm not even going to the ground.

1449
00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:14,560
Speaker 1: I'm not even gonna try to take him down.

1450
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:17,000
Speaker 3: He did try to pull guard once along the fence line,

1451
00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:18,600
Speaker 3: and he did try to take his back that one time,

1452
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:20,560
Speaker 3: but Max kind of threw him off of it. But

1453
00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:21,960
Speaker 3: you're right, he didn't have a lot of opportunity. But

1454
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:24,360
Speaker 3: again with this is Max who gets filled out better

1455
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:26,880
Speaker 3: take down defence. I thought Ortega showed I thought he

1456
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:28,560
Speaker 3: actually won the third round. I thought he showed a

1457
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:30,920
Speaker 3: ton of grit in that. But dude, do you remember

1458
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:32,520
Speaker 3: op between the third and fourth round it.

1459
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:33,040
Speaker 2: Was metts Cary.

1460
00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:36,040
Speaker 3: Max Holloway turns to the commentary booths and says, it

1461
00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:38,920
Speaker 3: ends here, it ends here, and now it didn't end

1462
00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:42,200
Speaker 3: in the round, but it ended right afterwards because he

1463
00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:45,760
Speaker 3: stepped on the fucking gas And I was legitimately.

1464
00:59:45,080 --> 00:59:47,160
Speaker 2: Worried for Ortega's career in the sports.

1465
00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:49,600
Speaker 1: I'm beaten coming in fourteen and oh it actually should

1466
00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:51,800
Speaker 1: have been fifteen, but he had the failed drug test

1467
00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:53,120
Speaker 1: on that one. I mean, he had had to pull

1468
00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:55,320
Speaker 1: out some fights late, but that run of you know,

1469
00:59:55,400 --> 01:00:00,320
Speaker 1: beating Guida, Mikano, Swanson and then brutalizing Edgar was I.

1470
01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:02,240
Speaker 3: Gotta say, this one went exactly as I thought it would.

1471
01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:04,320
Speaker 3: I knew Ortego was in trouble from the word go,

1472
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:06,640
Speaker 3: because you point out the guys he beat, like, for example,

1473
01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:09,800
Speaker 3: Guida and Moiicano, especially Morkanum m'cannum was beating his ass

1474
01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:10,560
Speaker 3: for most of that fight.

1475
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:11,640
Speaker 2: He pulled the rabbit at Edgar.

1476
01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:14,040
Speaker 1: It was fools gold Man, it was like and Edgar.

1477
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:15,200
Speaker 2: Was kind of on the down slope. That was the

1478
01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:17,120
Speaker 2: beginning of it. It was a solid win. It was

1479
01:00:17,160 --> 01:00:18,800
Speaker 2: a solid win. It was a solid win.

1480
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:20,680
Speaker 3: But what I'm saying was it set him up for

1481
01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:23,040
Speaker 3: a fight that he wasn't ready for. And here's why,

1482
01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:26,520
Speaker 3: that's important because Max had fights he wasn't ready for two, but.

1483
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:28,120
Speaker 2: They happened earlier in his career.

1484
01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:31,200
Speaker 3: This was a five round fight where the damage everyone's like, oh, well,

1485
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:32,920
Speaker 3: five rounds is always gonna be more damaged in a

1486
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:35,040
Speaker 3: three round, right, But the difference is it's kind of

1487
01:00:35,120 --> 01:00:37,760
Speaker 3: the damage is like arithmetic on the graph through three

1488
01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:40,360
Speaker 3: and then it's exponential through four and five.

1489
01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:41,920
Speaker 2: Which is exactly what you saw here.

1490
01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:45,880
Speaker 3: The damage in the fourth round shut his face off basically.

1491
01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:48,640
Speaker 1: Now, Luke, he had been on an incredible schedule of activity,

1492
01:00:48,680 --> 01:00:52,000
Speaker 1: which you had mentioned. Finally in twenty sixteen, Matt only

1493
01:00:52,320 --> 01:00:54,160
Speaker 1: Max only fought twice, but he had fought, you know,

1494
01:00:54,160 --> 01:00:56,640
Speaker 1: four times in twenty fifteen, four times in twenty fourteen,

1495
01:00:56,760 --> 01:00:59,000
Speaker 1: and it had been very busy. He fought just twice

1496
01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:01,479
Speaker 1: in twenty seventeen. But there was a one year gap

1497
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:04,400
Speaker 1: between the second Aldo fight and that Ortega fight, and

1498
01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:07,000
Speaker 1: let's not forget about that that one storyline. Coming into

1499
01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:09,800
Speaker 1: the Ortega fight, Max was supposed to fill in last

1500
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:13,800
Speaker 1: minute for Tony Ferguson against Habib Rmaga Metov at UFC

1501
01:01:13,840 --> 01:01:16,560
Speaker 1: two twenty three in the April of twenty eighteen. That

1502
01:01:16,720 --> 01:01:19,200
Speaker 1: was the Dolly through the Window weekend. That was also

1503
01:01:19,240 --> 01:01:22,240
Speaker 1: Max's interview with Michael Bisbee on Fox Sports, where it's

1504
01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:26,240
Speaker 1: still unexplained. Correct, it's still unexplained in terms of like

1505
01:01:26,920 --> 01:01:29,600
Speaker 1: what went wrong? Was he why did he seem punchy

1506
01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:32,680
Speaker 1: in the interview? Was it hangover I mean not hangover

1507
01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:35,120
Speaker 1: all concussions, Just like we still don't really know what happened,

1508
01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:37,640
Speaker 1: but we didn't even mention it. It's like it never happened.

1509
01:01:37,640 --> 01:01:39,840
Speaker 1: The concern coming in. Maybe that's when I look back

1510
01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:42,000
Speaker 1: and I say, Okay, Ortega was unbeaten. I've seen him

1511
01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:44,600
Speaker 1: win fights in which he's losing. He just brutalized Franky Edgar.

1512
01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:46,760
Speaker 1: But I don't think we can forget about the what

1513
01:01:46,840 --> 01:01:48,440
Speaker 1: the heck is Max gonna look like in this fight?

1514
01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:50,720
Speaker 1: Even though he's not even thirty, he has been in

1515
01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:52,720
Speaker 1: a lot of wars, and that interview was so weird

1516
01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:55,439
Speaker 1: they forced him out of the Habib fight. There were

1517
01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:58,440
Speaker 1: those questions, Luke, he answered every single question again.

1518
01:01:58,240 --> 01:02:00,000
Speaker 3: And I think he had split with his management right

1519
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:01,360
Speaker 3: after that or run around that time.

1520
01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:02,439
Speaker 2: So there's a fair point.

1521
01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:04,400
Speaker 3: There's a lot of questions, But like, dude, if you

1522
01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:08,000
Speaker 3: for me for me after those two Aldo fights. If

1523
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:09,520
Speaker 3: you weren't a believer after that, I don't know what.

1524
01:02:09,880 --> 01:02:12,680
Speaker 3: I was a huge believer in what he could do

1525
01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:14,480
Speaker 3: at that point, and to the point where as big

1526
01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:17,720
Speaker 3: as I am on Volkanovski these days, I didn't see

1527
01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:21,160
Speaker 3: I didn't know that I necessarily expected Max to at

1528
01:02:21,160 --> 01:02:21,600
Speaker 3: that point.

1529
01:02:21,640 --> 01:02:23,920
Speaker 2: I didn't see anyone who could beat Max. I didn't

1530
01:02:24,200 --> 01:02:25,200
Speaker 2: didn't exist to me.

1531
01:02:25,640 --> 01:02:28,880
Speaker 1: Thirteen fight win streak, top of the You know he's

1532
01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:31,440
Speaker 1: competing for the pound for pound top. He's a star.

1533
01:02:31,680 --> 01:02:36,400
Speaker 1: He's a proven commercial breadwinner, creator of pay per view buys,

1534
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:38,920
Speaker 1: and creator of action fights. So the promotion gives him

1535
01:02:38,920 --> 01:02:41,160
Speaker 1: a solid here, Luke, this will be the legendary UFC

1536
01:02:41,240 --> 01:02:45,120
Speaker 1: two thirty six. It's April thirteen, twenty nineteen. It arguably

1537
01:02:45,120 --> 01:02:48,480
Speaker 1: features the best two consecutive action fights in terms of

1538
01:02:48,520 --> 01:02:50,240
Speaker 1: drama and UFC historyal that you can make that same

1539
01:02:50,240 --> 01:02:53,040
Speaker 1: claim about UFC one ninety six with Tate versus Home,

1540
01:02:53,080 --> 01:02:56,160
Speaker 1: followed by the drama in McGregor versus Diz one.

1541
01:02:56,120 --> 01:02:58,760
Speaker 2: P Versus Home was only good for the fifth round though.

1542
01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:00,600
Speaker 1: I mean, I get what you're saying. Where round before

1543
01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:02,560
Speaker 1: that was one side in the direction of that fighter.

1544
01:03:03,160 --> 01:03:05,760
Speaker 1: But we know what you know, I was there in Atlanta.

1545
01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:08,080
Speaker 1: We know how legendary that night was because Kelvin Gaslam

1546
01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:10,280
Speaker 1: and Israel Asania for the interim toime. I remember two

1547
01:03:10,360 --> 01:03:12,000
Speaker 1: interim titles put on the line for this card, in

1548
01:03:12,040 --> 01:03:15,040
Speaker 1: the main and comine, both not necessarily justified, and there

1549
01:03:15,040 --> 01:03:17,360
Speaker 1: was a lot of talk coming in. You know, Kevin

1550
01:03:17,360 --> 01:03:19,520
Speaker 1: and Ioli interviewed Dana and actually fought back at him,

1551
01:03:19,600 --> 01:03:21,840
Speaker 1: was like, you know, there's no need for an interim

1552
01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:24,480
Speaker 1: title here. Your champions are fine, they're ready, right. So

1553
01:03:24,680 --> 01:03:27,120
Speaker 1: Habib's the top lightweight, but he had just had what

1554
01:03:27,880 --> 01:03:30,320
Speaker 1: did he did? He just have a he had Ferguson

1555
01:03:30,320 --> 01:03:32,440
Speaker 1: pull out the year before UFC two twenty three, hobieb

1556
01:03:32,560 --> 01:03:35,360
Speaker 1: is Is he couldn't fight during Ramadan, so they kind

1557
01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:37,360
Speaker 1: of it seemed like they just kind of put another

1558
01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:39,520
Speaker 1: interim title down in this lightweight division for no reason.

1559
01:03:39,560 --> 01:03:41,600
Speaker 1: We know the middleweight one was kind of for no

1560
01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:42,160
Speaker 1: reason as well.

1561
01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:42,360
Speaker 2: Well.

1562
01:03:42,480 --> 01:03:44,320
Speaker 1: Robert Whitaker was had to pull out of the Calvin

1563
01:03:44,360 --> 01:03:46,240
Speaker 1: Gasolon fight. So this is where we're at.

1564
01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:50,000
Speaker 3: Eventually, when Dustin fought Habib, it was the unification, so

1565
01:03:50,040 --> 01:03:51,160
Speaker 3: there was something to that.

1566
01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:52,960
Speaker 1: It was the beginning of just sort of throwing it

1567
01:03:53,000 --> 01:03:56,480
Speaker 1: for marketing purposes. But Dana did validate himself by how

1568
01:03:56,560 --> 01:03:58,600
Speaker 1: hard these four guys fought. Now we already know what

1569
01:03:58,640 --> 01:04:01,600
Speaker 1: happened in that comin event, the five round thriller that

1570
01:04:01,640 --> 01:04:04,080
Speaker 1: out of sign you pulled out, dude, try to follow

1571
01:04:04,120 --> 01:04:06,640
Speaker 1: that somehow these guys did. Max gets the call for

1572
01:04:06,720 --> 01:04:09,960
Speaker 1: the Dustin Poier rematch. It's for the interim lightweight championships.

1573
01:04:09,960 --> 01:04:12,360
Speaker 1: At this point, you're thinking it's just gravy. He's won

1574
01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:15,120
Speaker 1: thirteen in a row, he knocked out although twice he

1575
01:04:15,320 --> 01:04:18,560
Speaker 1: just defended it and stopped Ortega and now he's going

1576
01:04:18,640 --> 01:04:20,520
Speaker 1: to move up and fight Poorier for the second time.

1577
01:04:20,600 --> 01:04:24,320
Speaker 1: But Luke, this was you can argue, what's the best

1578
01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:27,440
Speaker 1: version of poariria. We ever saw the guy who knocked

1579
01:04:27,440 --> 01:04:29,520
Speaker 1: out Connor McGrigor twice most recently and went for the

1580
01:04:29,600 --> 01:04:32,000
Speaker 1: lightweight title. Or was it the guy leading into the

1581
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:34,040
Speaker 1: Habib fight? Well, this was the final fight for Pourier

1582
01:04:34,120 --> 01:04:36,360
Speaker 1: leading into the Habib fight. All that twenty five minutes

1583
01:04:36,760 --> 01:04:38,840
Speaker 1: Teddy Atlas saying that he would to make everything right

1584
01:04:39,240 --> 01:04:41,200
Speaker 1: to make life fair. Make life fair, I mean This

1585
01:04:41,440 --> 01:04:44,240
Speaker 1: was prime peak Dustin Poier.

1586
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:46,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, so this is the story for me.

1587
01:04:46,200 --> 01:04:48,320
Speaker 3: You were there, I was watching on TV, but I

1588
01:04:48,360 --> 01:04:50,920
Speaker 3: remember thinking, oh, dude, after what Max was doing, I

1589
01:04:50,920 --> 01:04:54,600
Speaker 3: thought Max was unstoppable and I knew Dustin was good.

1590
01:04:54,680 --> 01:04:56,040
Speaker 3: But I thought heading into this one, I was like,

1591
01:04:56,040 --> 01:04:57,640
Speaker 3: you know what, Max, don't get his hand raised because

1592
01:04:57,640 --> 01:05:00,480
Speaker 3: maxis can't be beat motherfucking Dustin Poorier. Something to say

1593
01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:00,880
Speaker 3: about that.

1594
01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:03,040
Speaker 1: First of all, these two put on for five rounds,

1595
01:05:03,120 --> 01:05:05,760
Speaker 1: just a brutal and high paced entertain No, I did

1596
01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:07,280
Speaker 1: have lulls. I'm not gonna act like it was gotty

1597
01:05:07,320 --> 01:05:08,080
Speaker 1: word throughout, but.

1598
01:05:08,920 --> 01:05:12,080
Speaker 3: The amount of times this is what I really remember

1599
01:05:12,080 --> 01:05:12,320
Speaker 3: from it.

1600
01:05:12,360 --> 01:05:13,920
Speaker 2: I'm obviously we watched it for this, but like, just

1601
01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:14,680
Speaker 2: what sticks out.

1602
01:05:14,560 --> 01:05:19,280
Speaker 3: To me the amount of times Holloway got rocked and

1603
01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:22,080
Speaker 3: somehow found a way to keep the fight going or

1604
01:05:22,200 --> 01:05:24,400
Speaker 3: I was rock in the process.

1605
01:05:24,480 --> 01:05:27,240
Speaker 1: That's great. So here's where we're at. For Dustin Poria,

1606
01:05:27,320 --> 01:05:30,240
Speaker 1: this was Luke a seven fight stretch in which he

1607
01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:33,360
Speaker 1: beat Jim Miller, had the abrupt Alvarez fight, but then

1608
01:05:33,440 --> 01:05:37,720
Speaker 1: submits Anthony Pettis, stops Justin Gatchee, and a blood and

1609
01:05:37,720 --> 01:05:40,000
Speaker 1: guts war stops atdie Alvarez and the remagine of blood

1610
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:42,360
Speaker 1: and guts were and now he's facing Holloway and he

1611
01:05:42,440 --> 01:05:44,680
Speaker 1: is so sharp, but a Holloway left took wobbles in

1612
01:05:44,720 --> 01:05:46,760
Speaker 1: midway through the first round, and you're like, oh shit,

1613
01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:49,040
Speaker 1: what's going on there? Is Max gonna do it? As

1614
01:05:49,080 --> 01:05:51,680
Speaker 1: soon as you sort of condition yourself to Max mey

1615
01:05:51,720 --> 01:05:53,720
Speaker 1: do this because I had questions if he could win this,

1616
01:05:53,720 --> 01:05:57,400
Speaker 1: the size difference, all of that. Poorier started beating on him,

1617
01:05:57,440 --> 01:05:59,640
Speaker 1: and to close that first round, there were three moments

1618
01:05:59,800 --> 01:06:01,360
Speaker 1: where or Max is getting pieced up where I'm like,

1619
01:06:01,400 --> 01:06:03,400
Speaker 1: the size difference in this, in the in the terms

1620
01:06:03,400 --> 01:06:06,040
Speaker 1: of featherweight to lightweight, the power difference. He wasn't a

1621
01:06:06,040 --> 01:06:08,840
Speaker 1: power puncher at featherweight, although with the full body attack

1622
01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:10,080
Speaker 1: he can get you out of there. And look what

1623
01:06:10,120 --> 01:06:12,320
Speaker 1: he did to al though, but Luke I had legitimate

1624
01:06:12,440 --> 01:06:15,080
Speaker 1: questions after round one, even though round two he got

1625
01:06:15,120 --> 01:06:16,760
Speaker 1: banged around a little bit more but not as badly.

1626
01:06:16,920 --> 01:06:18,400
Speaker 1: Do you remember feeling that after round one like this

1627
01:06:18,440 --> 01:06:21,160
Speaker 1: could be a completely lopsided, bad idea matchup, that if

1628
01:06:21,160 --> 01:06:23,240
Speaker 1: his chin is going to keep him in this, he

1629
01:06:23,320 --> 01:06:25,080
Speaker 1: might take some serious damage.

1630
01:06:25,120 --> 01:06:26,760
Speaker 2: I was really worried.

1631
01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:29,000
Speaker 3: The only thing that I had in the back of

1632
01:06:29,040 --> 01:06:31,360
Speaker 3: my head which sort of played out, actually played out

1633
01:06:31,360 --> 01:06:33,240
Speaker 3: a little bit, was I was like, okay, and not

1634
01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:36,160
Speaker 3: that Max is a slow starter, but he's definitely much

1635
01:06:36,160 --> 01:06:38,320
Speaker 3: stronger in the third, fourth, fifth round than he is

1636
01:06:38,320 --> 01:06:39,200
Speaker 3: in the first and the second.

1637
01:06:39,200 --> 01:06:39,880
Speaker 2: So one that was bad.

1638
01:06:39,920 --> 01:06:41,480
Speaker 3: And the first thing I was like, oh, there's a

1639
01:06:41,480 --> 01:06:45,120
Speaker 3: power difference because Max would hit him, and yes, sometimes

1640
01:06:45,160 --> 01:06:48,280
Speaker 3: Poorier would kind of real and react, but when Poorier

1641
01:06:48,480 --> 01:06:50,520
Speaker 3: hit him, Max would move.

1642
01:06:50,840 --> 01:06:52,440
Speaker 2: There was a big difference in power.

1643
01:06:52,440 --> 01:06:54,680
Speaker 1: That was hard to avite the hell down to not

1644
01:06:54,720 --> 01:06:57,600
Speaker 1: only get through five rounds, but to have moments. In

1645
01:06:57,680 --> 01:06:59,920
Speaker 1: round three, dude, he came back and kind of stole the.

1646
01:07:00,320 --> 01:07:02,600
Speaker 3: It was a mess this in Paria, according to fight Metric,

1647
01:07:02,640 --> 01:07:04,800
Speaker 3: in the first round landed again this is just numeric

1648
01:07:04,880 --> 01:07:07,680
Speaker 3: so not qualitative, but landed fifty four to thirty strikes

1649
01:07:08,120 --> 01:07:10,920
Speaker 3: from Poorio to Holloway. In round three it was the

1650
01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:14,480
Speaker 3: exact opposite, fifty three to thirty three for Max Holloway.

1651
01:07:14,480 --> 01:07:16,920
Speaker 3: He also numerically outstruck him in the fourth round, but

1652
01:07:16,960 --> 01:07:19,440
Speaker 3: Paria did get a takedown one the only one he

1653
01:07:19,480 --> 01:07:20,560
Speaker 3: got of eight attempts.

1654
01:07:20,760 --> 01:07:23,160
Speaker 1: Now, this would have been in the fight of the

1655
01:07:23,240 --> 01:07:26,480
Speaker 1: year condition in a conversation in most years, right, But

1656
01:07:26,520 --> 01:07:28,040
Speaker 1: the fight before it was just incredible.

1657
01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:29,080
Speaker 2: I needed a fight.

1658
01:07:29,320 --> 01:07:31,120
Speaker 1: When you look back at this, it was forty nine

1659
01:07:31,160 --> 01:07:33,480
Speaker 1: to forty six Poier on all three and in the

1660
01:07:33,520 --> 01:07:36,320
Speaker 1: fifth round Max's face, his nose got busted open and

1661
01:07:36,360 --> 01:07:37,800
Speaker 1: he was a mess, and I was worried for him.

1662
01:07:37,880 --> 01:07:38,360
Speaker 2: I was worried too.

1663
01:07:38,480 --> 01:07:40,720
Speaker 1: I was worried that here's a guy on a thirteen

1664
01:07:40,760 --> 01:07:43,240
Speaker 1: fight win streak who in his own division is the king.

1665
01:07:43,280 --> 01:07:45,120
Speaker 1: He's a pomp for palm threat. He may give away

1666
01:07:45,120 --> 01:07:47,080
Speaker 1: the rest of his career in this one fight that

1667
01:07:47,240 --> 01:07:50,280
Speaker 1: might be unwinnable. Right, it's gravy. It's a two division champion.

1668
01:07:50,280 --> 01:07:52,640
Speaker 1: You get the stakes. You're immortal. No, he'd be an

1669
01:07:52,680 --> 01:07:54,320
Speaker 1: interim champion, but you get it. He'd still kind of

1670
01:07:54,320 --> 01:07:57,880
Speaker 1: be considered a two division champion. But Luke, do you

1671
01:07:57,920 --> 01:07:59,840
Speaker 1: look back at this as a close fight, because the

1672
01:08:00,160 --> 01:08:01,560
Speaker 1: judges will tell you it's four to one on all

1673
01:08:01,560 --> 01:08:03,720
Speaker 1: three cards. I look back at it as a close

1674
01:08:03,800 --> 01:08:06,960
Speaker 1: fight because every time, you know, Max had more success

1675
01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:08,840
Speaker 1: than people realize. Even though let's give for your credit,

1676
01:08:08,880 --> 01:08:11,280
Speaker 1: he won this fight because he answered every success max

1677
01:08:11,320 --> 01:08:12,880
Speaker 1: head with something bigger and heavier.

1678
01:08:12,920 --> 01:08:13,280
Speaker 2: That's right.

1679
01:08:13,320 --> 01:08:14,800
Speaker 1: But when you went back and rewatched it, is this

1680
01:08:14,840 --> 01:08:17,559
Speaker 1: a close fight to you? A competitive fight or just

1681
01:08:17,560 --> 01:08:20,599
Speaker 1: a high paced, all action fight that was one sided

1682
01:08:20,640 --> 01:08:21,080
Speaker 1: in thee.

1683
01:08:20,920 --> 01:08:21,719
Speaker 2: Here's what I would say.

1684
01:08:21,800 --> 01:08:24,400
Speaker 3: I don't call it a close fight because in the

1685
01:08:24,479 --> 01:08:26,160
Speaker 3: end you're right four to nine and forty six like

1686
01:08:26,240 --> 01:08:28,639
Speaker 3: the way you just tally it up. Dustin got the rounds.

1687
01:08:28,960 --> 01:08:32,679
Speaker 3: But it was such a uniquely brutal fight. And it's

1688
01:08:32,680 --> 01:08:35,000
Speaker 3: not brutal because it was all one way traffic. It's

1689
01:08:35,040 --> 01:08:39,240
Speaker 3: because both guys just dished it out on each other

1690
01:08:39,520 --> 01:08:42,560
Speaker 3: in extraordinary like you can't, like, here's one thing that

1691
01:08:42,600 --> 01:08:44,519
Speaker 3: people take for granted a lot of times. If you

1692
01:08:44,560 --> 01:08:46,559
Speaker 3: go to like a regional MMA show, what you'll see

1693
01:08:46,560 --> 01:08:48,880
Speaker 3: as a guy who might have very good skills but

1694
01:08:48,960 --> 01:08:49,760
Speaker 3: actually doesn't have.

1695
01:08:49,720 --> 01:08:52,559
Speaker 2: A chin or not much of one. And you can't

1696
01:08:52,600 --> 01:08:53,320
Speaker 2: take that for granted.

1697
01:08:53,320 --> 01:08:55,160
Speaker 3: When you watch UFC, you just think, oh, well, they

1698
01:08:55,200 --> 01:08:56,439
Speaker 3: you know, they may or may not have a good chin.

1699
01:08:56,520 --> 01:08:57,439
Speaker 2: But which you don't.

1700
01:08:57,200 --> 01:08:59,479
Speaker 3: Really realize is the guys who are actually pretty good

1701
01:08:59,479 --> 01:09:01,840
Speaker 3: but can't take punishment. They get weeded out long before

1702
01:09:01,880 --> 01:09:05,439
Speaker 3: that to do what these two did in terms of

1703
01:09:05,479 --> 01:09:09,519
Speaker 3: the absorption of damage is legendary shit. I mean the

1704
01:09:09,600 --> 01:09:12,439
Speaker 3: numbers here total, dude, Max Holloway landed one hundred and

1705
01:09:12,520 --> 01:09:15,920
Speaker 3: eighty one of four hundred and forty six strikes and

1706
01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:19,160
Speaker 3: Dustin Parie one hundred and seventy eight. So numerically actually

1707
01:09:19,240 --> 01:09:21,120
Speaker 3: Max landing more, but we know the power difference was big.

1708
01:09:21,280 --> 01:09:23,439
Speaker 2: One hundred and seventy eight of three hundred and eight.

1709
01:09:23,880 --> 01:09:27,000
Speaker 1: Never stopped trying to win, which is wild because you know,

1710
01:09:27,120 --> 01:09:28,960
Speaker 1: in rounds one and two he looked over match, he

1711
01:09:29,000 --> 01:09:30,679
Speaker 1: had a good round three, and at the end around

1712
01:09:30,680 --> 01:09:32,960
Speaker 1: four he's getting brutalized. I mean, nose is getting busted open.

1713
01:09:33,320 --> 01:09:34,880
Speaker 1: The dude never stopped trying to figure out there.

1714
01:09:34,920 --> 01:09:35,360
Speaker 2: I mean he is.

1715
01:09:35,479 --> 01:09:37,799
Speaker 1: That is a definition of even to his own detriment

1716
01:09:37,840 --> 01:09:40,439
Speaker 1: at times to all time great Luke. That would snap

1717
01:09:40,479 --> 01:09:42,400
Speaker 1: the thirteen fight win streak and Pourier would go on

1718
01:09:42,400 --> 01:09:43,880
Speaker 1: to the big fight, although that would end.

1719
01:09:43,800 --> 01:09:45,639
Speaker 2: So yeah, to be clear, Max is still feather away

1720
01:09:45,720 --> 01:09:47,599
Speaker 2: champion at this point. This is at once did five.

1721
01:09:47,680 --> 01:09:50,120
Speaker 1: So we go to twenty ninth. This was twenty nineteen,

1722
01:09:50,160 --> 01:09:52,200
Speaker 1: This was April. They were supposed he was supposed to

1723
01:09:52,200 --> 01:09:55,960
Speaker 1: defend against Frankie Edgar at UFC to twenty eight. I

1724
01:09:56,000 --> 01:09:59,280
Speaker 1: believe no to something here, Luke. They both got injured.

1725
01:09:59,000 --> 01:10:01,759
Speaker 2: And had to pull out thirty eight. I think maybe they.

1726
01:10:01,600 --> 01:10:04,160
Speaker 1: Were supposed to fight first at UFC two eighteen, including

1727
01:10:04,160 --> 01:10:07,479
Speaker 1: to Wikipedia, then UFC two twenty two, each time one

1728
01:10:07,479 --> 01:10:09,519
Speaker 1: of the two fighters had an injury. Now we finally

1729
01:10:09,560 --> 01:10:12,439
Speaker 1: get this fight at UFC two forty July twenty seventh,

1730
01:10:12,479 --> 01:10:14,479
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen. Loke, do you remember feeling like for.

1731
01:10:14,439 --> 01:10:18,040
Speaker 3: Frankie Edgar, I didn't think he had a prayer.

1732
01:10:17,840 --> 01:10:20,400
Speaker 1: That even deserved the title opportunity at this.

1733
01:10:20,360 --> 01:10:21,360
Speaker 2: No, I didn't think he had a prayer.

1734
01:10:21,400 --> 01:10:23,320
Speaker 3: And the reason why was I think we mk had

1735
01:10:23,360 --> 01:10:25,920
Speaker 3: started at this point or right around this point.

1736
01:10:25,640 --> 01:10:27,679
Speaker 1: We had started in what July twenty nineteen.

1737
01:10:28,040 --> 01:10:30,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, So here's what I thought, which I think when

1738
01:10:30,120 --> 01:10:33,080
Speaker 3: it wound up proving true. Frankie's a good striker, a

1739
01:10:33,120 --> 01:10:35,120
Speaker 3: very good striker. In fact, at his prime he was excellent.

1740
01:10:35,160 --> 01:10:37,639
Speaker 3: But what really made his game dynamic was the introduction

1741
01:10:37,720 --> 01:10:40,200
Speaker 3: and the threat of takedowns. And so what you had

1742
01:10:40,200 --> 01:10:42,400
Speaker 3: seen in the Alda fight at UFC two hundred was

1743
01:10:42,439 --> 01:10:45,600
Speaker 3: what happens to Frankie striking if you deny him takedowns,

1744
01:10:45,680 --> 01:10:47,120
Speaker 3: so he can't get him now he just has to

1745
01:10:47,120 --> 01:10:49,680
Speaker 3: strike with you. He is still quite good, but the

1746
01:10:49,760 --> 01:10:55,040
Speaker 3: dynamism of the trickery goes away completely. And I was like, dude,

1747
01:10:55,160 --> 01:10:59,200
Speaker 3: Max's takedown defense at that point was awesome, very good,

1748
01:10:59,280 --> 01:11:00,560
Speaker 3: and I was like, I don't don't think frank is

1749
01:11:00,560 --> 01:11:01,720
Speaker 3: going to take him down, and if he can't take

1750
01:11:01,800 --> 01:11:04,040
Speaker 3: him down, I don't think he can win. Not a

1751
01:11:04,080 --> 01:11:05,880
Speaker 3: fight that in the end is going to be one

1752
01:11:05,920 --> 01:11:08,919
Speaker 3: of Max's more special ones. It was kind of hohme

1753
01:11:09,360 --> 01:11:12,240
Speaker 3: the whole way through, but Max was just better and

1754
01:11:12,280 --> 01:11:14,120
Speaker 3: there wasn't much Frankie could do to fix that.

1755
01:11:14,880 --> 01:11:16,840
Speaker 1: Frankie's last fight had come a year and a half

1756
01:11:16,880 --> 01:11:20,160
Speaker 1: before this against Cubs Swanson, so Frankie had been knocked

1757
01:11:20,200 --> 01:11:22,200
Speaker 1: out brutally by Brian Ortaga, and we were questioning if

1758
01:11:22,200 --> 01:11:24,720
Speaker 1: he was still around, if he's still viable. But in

1759
01:11:24,720 --> 01:11:27,000
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen he did get a decision, went over Cub Swanson.

1760
01:11:27,000 --> 01:11:29,240
Speaker 1: Do you remember that. I know we both came into

1761
01:11:29,280 --> 01:11:31,720
Speaker 1: this fight against Holloway thinking this is more of just

1762
01:11:31,760 --> 01:11:34,280
Speaker 1: a hey, Edgar, here's here's a chance to become a

1763
01:11:34,520 --> 01:11:36,840
Speaker 1: you know, US two division champion, fight for a title

1764
01:11:36,840 --> 01:11:41,080
Speaker 1: in your third weight class now down at featherweight. Do

1765
01:11:41,120 --> 01:11:44,519
Speaker 1: you remember thinking the Cub Swanson win was enough that

1766
01:11:45,240 --> 01:11:46,559
Speaker 1: I know, we both just said we didn't give him

1767
01:11:46,680 --> 01:11:48,679
Speaker 1: much of a prayer. But was that career saving enough

1768
01:11:48,800 --> 01:11:50,040
Speaker 1: or was this really gratuitous?

1769
01:11:50,160 --> 01:11:52,280
Speaker 3: Well, here's the thing about Frankie that's been kind of

1770
01:11:52,400 --> 01:11:55,080
Speaker 3: interesting and Jose Aldo to a similar kind of extent,

1771
01:11:55,160 --> 01:11:57,760
Speaker 3: like even when they haven't been championship level fighters in

1772
01:11:57,760 --> 01:12:00,720
Speaker 3: the particular weight class. Obviously, Jose still bantamweight, so it

1773
01:12:00,760 --> 01:12:04,679
Speaker 3: was Franky. You still knew they could beat other good guys.

1774
01:12:05,360 --> 01:12:08,320
Speaker 3: So when he beat career saving, I don't yeah, maybe

1775
01:12:08,400 --> 01:12:10,599
Speaker 3: or something like that. But the read I got when

1776
01:12:10,600 --> 01:12:13,400
Speaker 3: he beat Swanson was Okay, I don't know, think he

1777
01:12:13,520 --> 01:12:15,200
Speaker 3: beat the top of the division, but he ain't.

1778
01:12:15,439 --> 01:12:17,920
Speaker 2: He ain't a scrub. He can still do some things.

1779
01:12:18,000 --> 01:12:19,479
Speaker 1: And this was not for the third weight class. This

1780
01:12:19,600 --> 01:12:21,840
Speaker 1: was at featherweight. He had already won the title lightweight,

1781
01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:24,080
Speaker 1: he had already lost a featherweight title fight to Josaldo

1782
01:12:24,160 --> 01:12:26,080
Speaker 1: for the interim crown. This was him getting a sort

1783
01:12:26,080 --> 01:12:28,640
Speaker 1: of third and final chance here, Luke it would go

1784
01:12:28,640 --> 01:12:31,080
Speaker 1: down as a five round unanimous decision. The judges were

1785
01:12:31,360 --> 01:12:33,599
Speaker 1: split between five to nothing, four to one, and three

1786
01:12:33,720 --> 01:12:35,400
Speaker 1: to two, but they were all for Holloway. If you

1787
01:12:35,439 --> 01:12:38,559
Speaker 1: remember Edgar, did you know he never stopped trying to win.

1788
01:12:38,640 --> 01:12:40,840
Speaker 1: Let's give him that credit. He did have some decent

1789
01:12:40,920 --> 01:12:42,840
Speaker 1: flurries and rounds three, four, and five you put the

1790
01:12:42,840 --> 01:12:45,360
Speaker 1: pressure on, but there was really nothing there. This was

1791
01:12:45,360 --> 01:12:48,679
Speaker 1: the final fight for maxis champion in terms of title defenses,

1792
01:12:48,680 --> 01:12:51,080
Speaker 1: as third overall. It's crazy to look back up Max

1793
01:12:51,160 --> 01:12:54,000
Speaker 1: Holloway's run, which we're doing here, because the next fight

1794
01:12:54,080 --> 01:12:56,000
Speaker 1: would be fight one against Volkanowski. We're going to go

1795
01:12:56,000 --> 01:12:58,599
Speaker 1: through those Volkanowski fights in a separate video. But Luke,

1796
01:12:58,680 --> 01:13:00,880
Speaker 1: this is sort of the end of this featherweight run.

1797
01:13:01,240 --> 01:13:03,920
Speaker 1: Only three title defenses, yet he had a build like

1798
01:13:03,960 --> 01:13:05,880
Speaker 1: a ten fight win streak to even get an interim

1799
01:13:05,920 --> 01:13:07,439
Speaker 1: title shot, and that would you know, that would become

1800
01:13:07,479 --> 01:13:09,720
Speaker 1: a thirteen fight win streak overall. So it's kind of

1801
01:13:09,720 --> 01:13:11,680
Speaker 1: like Abib, where no, he doesn't have the amount of

1802
01:13:11,720 --> 01:13:14,599
Speaker 1: title defenses, but you better believe you're talking about him

1803
01:13:14,680 --> 01:13:17,360
Speaker 1: historically in this division and the conversation of the Greatest Oh.

1804
01:13:17,320 --> 01:13:21,000
Speaker 3: So the guy, I mean again, Connor's win over Aldo

1805
01:13:21,160 --> 01:13:22,840
Speaker 3: is just one of the biggest wins in all of MMA.

1806
01:13:23,520 --> 01:13:27,120
Speaker 3: But to do what Max did twice twice, including once

1807
01:13:27,160 --> 01:13:31,000
Speaker 3: in his hometown, like that was to me the guy

1808
01:13:31,120 --> 01:13:34,320
Speaker 3: who like really ended the Aldo era. It wasn't so

1809
01:13:34,400 --> 01:13:38,040
Speaker 3: much Connor because again Aldo comes back and beats Frankie,

1810
01:13:38,040 --> 01:13:39,640
Speaker 3: and who knows Connor may have fought him twice and

1811
01:13:39,640 --> 01:13:41,439
Speaker 3: beat him twice, Who the hell knows, But I'm just

1812
01:13:41,479 --> 01:13:44,680
Speaker 3: saying like that was the definitive end and to be

1813
01:13:44,760 --> 01:13:47,240
Speaker 3: the definitive end of the era of the best guy

1814
01:13:47,280 --> 01:13:49,880
Speaker 3: to ever do it in that weight class, that was

1815
01:13:50,280 --> 01:13:51,160
Speaker 3: pretty fucking big.

1816
01:13:51,240 --> 01:13:54,240
Speaker 1: Now, when Max Holloway beat Brian Ortagel, let's not forget

1817
01:13:54,320 --> 01:13:57,560
Speaker 1: it killed the idea from that Michael bisbeeing interview that

1818
01:13:57,640 --> 01:14:01,280
Speaker 1: something physically was wrong with him or the accumulated damage

1819
01:14:01,280 --> 01:14:03,759
Speaker 1: had made him, you know, old in his late twenties

1820
01:14:04,080 --> 01:14:06,679
Speaker 1: to some degree after losing that violent fight to Poria.

1821
01:14:06,760 --> 01:14:09,040
Speaker 1: This was only three months after the Pooria fight. Now,

1822
01:14:09,040 --> 01:14:11,040
Speaker 1: he didn't take damage against Edgar, but it was another

1823
01:14:11,080 --> 01:14:14,320
Speaker 1: reminder that Max has an ability to bounce back from

1824
01:14:14,360 --> 01:14:17,639
Speaker 1: anything ronment and is just a dear and that's part

1825
01:14:17,680 --> 01:14:18,439
Speaker 1: of what both this is.

1826
01:14:18,439 --> 01:14:18,679
Speaker 2: Also.

1827
01:14:18,720 --> 01:14:20,360
Speaker 3: I remember after the whole incident he was like, I'm

1828
01:14:20,360 --> 01:14:22,960
Speaker 3: not sparring as much anymore. I'm gonna leave my damage

1829
01:14:22,960 --> 01:14:24,800
Speaker 3: in the fight, which is still these were brutals.

1830
01:14:24,560 --> 01:14:26,559
Speaker 1: Twenty nineteen, right before the pandemic, but he would become

1831
01:14:26,560 --> 01:14:28,559
Speaker 1: a leader during the pandemic of not even sparring because

1832
01:14:28,560 --> 01:14:30,880
Speaker 1: he's doing the training camp over what z zoom well,

1833
01:14:30,920 --> 01:14:31,240
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1834
01:14:32,120 --> 01:14:35,280
Speaker 3: But the point being is he definitely definitely dialed back

1835
01:14:35,400 --> 01:14:37,640
Speaker 3: heavy and even light sparring in his camp to a

1836
01:14:37,680 --> 01:14:40,599
Speaker 3: large extent, just so he could preserve his body for

1837
01:14:40,680 --> 01:14:43,800
Speaker 3: these wars like that, which probably is wise, although it

1838
01:14:43,840 --> 01:14:45,679
Speaker 3: should be clear he's taken a shitload of damage.

1839
01:14:45,720 --> 01:14:47,600
Speaker 1: Of the course, for the next two fights. Over the

1840
01:14:47,640 --> 01:14:51,160
Speaker 1: next year, Max Holloway would twice lose to Alexander Volkanowski,

1841
01:14:51,320 --> 01:14:54,080
Speaker 1: the second one in particular UFC two fifty one disputed.

1842
01:14:54,320 --> 01:14:55,920
Speaker 1: Like we said, we're gonna put out a bonus video

1843
01:14:55,920 --> 01:14:58,040
Speaker 1: breaking down round by round, the scoring, all that and

1844
01:14:58,360 --> 01:15:00,880
Speaker 1: sort of what we saw here, but Luke, he's no

1845
01:15:00,960 --> 01:15:03,320
Speaker 1: longer the featherweight champion, and then he loses to the

1846
01:15:03,400 --> 01:15:05,320
Speaker 1: champ a second time in dispute a fashion, but his

1847
01:15:05,320 --> 01:15:07,679
Speaker 1: stock is still really high. I was arguing, man, maybe

1848
01:15:07,680 --> 01:15:09,760
Speaker 1: you should get a third shot right away against Volkanovski,

1849
01:15:09,800 --> 01:15:12,559
Speaker 1: as weird as this is for him losing the first two. Instead,

1850
01:15:12,600 --> 01:15:14,080
Speaker 1: he gets a I don't want to call it a

1851
01:15:14,080 --> 01:15:17,320
Speaker 1: showcase fight, because there's no showcase in facing the dangerous

1852
01:15:17,320 --> 01:15:20,519
Speaker 1: Calvin Cator, but it is the first UFC on ABC card.

1853
01:15:20,560 --> 01:15:23,479
Speaker 1: It's in the afternoon, it's January sixteenth, twenty twenty one

1854
01:15:23,560 --> 01:15:27,320
Speaker 1: from Abu Dhabi, so we're fast forwarding through the pandemic here,

1855
01:15:28,120 --> 01:15:31,960
Speaker 1: and this is arguably enough the best Max Holloway we've

1856
01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:32,920
Speaker 1: ever freaking seen.

1857
01:15:33,040 --> 01:15:34,120
Speaker 2: This was such a beating.

1858
01:15:34,240 --> 01:15:37,360
Speaker 3: I was wondering if ABC regretted it putting it on TV.

1859
01:15:38,160 --> 01:15:38,880
Speaker 2: I mean, listen to.

1860
01:15:38,800 --> 01:15:40,600
Speaker 1: These He set so many records statistically.

1861
01:15:40,640 --> 01:15:43,240
Speaker 3: Listen to this number. I mean, you just can't believe this.

1862
01:15:43,360 --> 01:15:45,479
Speaker 3: I don't think I've ever seen something like this before.

1863
01:15:46,320 --> 01:15:51,799
Speaker 3: Significant stripe totals he landed, landed four hundred and forty

1864
01:15:51,800 --> 01:15:55,360
Speaker 3: five of an attempted seven hundred and forty four. He

1865
01:15:55,439 --> 01:15:56,400
Speaker 3: almost threw.

1866
01:15:56,360 --> 01:15:59,960
Speaker 2: Eight hundred punches on this guy, eight hundred. Dude.

1867
01:16:00,040 --> 01:16:02,719
Speaker 3: I thought Calvin Cator's career might have been over after

1868
01:16:02,760 --> 01:16:07,120
Speaker 3: that beating that was historic. Remember there were multiple times

1869
01:16:07,120 --> 01:16:09,120
Speaker 3: in the third and even fourth round where Cater was

1870
01:16:09,240 --> 01:16:11,200
Speaker 3: just I thought he was gonna go, and he somehow

1871
01:16:11,240 --> 01:16:13,240
Speaker 3: hung on. By the way, to Keto's credit, even in

1872
01:16:13,240 --> 01:16:14,720
Speaker 3: the fifth was throwing back, which is one of the

1873
01:16:14,720 --> 01:16:16,400
Speaker 3: reasons why his corner didn't stop. But his corner and

1874
01:16:16,479 --> 01:16:18,559
Speaker 3: Tyson Chardier was a great coach and I like him

1875
01:16:18,640 --> 01:16:20,760
Speaker 3: very much, but there was certainly a lot of controversy

1876
01:16:20,800 --> 01:16:23,200
Speaker 3: about whether his corner should have saved h Dude, Max

1877
01:16:23,960 --> 01:16:25,280
Speaker 3: fucked him up.

1878
01:16:26,360 --> 01:16:28,439
Speaker 1: He wasn't even thirty years old yet, Luke, He's still

1879
01:16:28,479 --> 01:16:29,559
Speaker 1: twenty nine in this fight.

1880
01:16:29,920 --> 01:16:31,280
Speaker 3: And if you had any do you remember he was

1881
01:16:31,320 --> 01:16:33,120
Speaker 3: looking at the commentary booth being like, I'm the best

1882
01:16:33,120 --> 01:16:35,240
Speaker 3: boxer MMA, and they would go back to like it was.

1883
01:16:35,400 --> 01:16:38,080
Speaker 1: It was virtuoso. This was a virtuoso performance. When you

1884
01:16:38,120 --> 01:16:39,840
Speaker 1: look up and down, I'm like, Okay, the dismantling of

1885
01:16:39,880 --> 01:16:42,439
Speaker 1: Anthony pittis maybe the best I've ever seen. No, maybe

1886
01:16:42,439 --> 01:16:44,280
Speaker 1: the second Old though fight all think consider was the

1887
01:16:44,280 --> 01:16:46,320
Speaker 1: best I've ever seen. No, Luke, it probably was this,

1888
01:16:46,560 --> 01:16:49,759
Speaker 1: and considering we'd already seen him go through the Bisbeg interview,

1889
01:16:50,360 --> 01:16:53,400
Speaker 1: medical condition, go through the brutal loss to Dustin Poier,

1890
01:16:53,680 --> 01:16:57,040
Speaker 1: rebound all those times, now loose twice to Volkanowski, which

1891
01:16:57,160 --> 01:16:59,160
Speaker 1: he didn't take a ton of physical damage in that fight.

1892
01:16:59,160 --> 01:17:02,360
Speaker 1: Ale though there's a lot of lakes strikes, but there's

1893
01:17:02,600 --> 01:17:06,040
Speaker 1: nothing changes the invincibility of him. Some guys when they

1894
01:17:06,040 --> 01:17:07,519
Speaker 1: lose the title, or they would lose to the same

1895
01:17:07,520 --> 01:17:09,640
Speaker 1: guy twice even if it was dispeeded, would start to

1896
01:17:09,680 --> 01:17:13,000
Speaker 1: feel in fear. Dude, He's just like in every interview,

1897
01:17:13,000 --> 01:17:14,519
Speaker 1: he's just like, yeah, man, you win some you lose

1898
01:17:14,600 --> 01:17:16,479
Speaker 1: him like like it is what it is? Is the

1899
01:17:16,479 --> 01:17:18,519
Speaker 1: famous saying it is what it is because he goes

1900
01:17:18,520 --> 01:17:21,360
Speaker 1: out here against Cater who's dangerous as shit, and I

1901
01:17:21,400 --> 01:17:24,080
Speaker 1: mean it's like it's like the Michael Jordan flugam Er.

1902
01:17:24,080 --> 01:17:26,080
Speaker 2: So, I mean, it's just this was. This was the

1903
01:17:26,160 --> 01:17:29,240
Speaker 2: guy who pointed at the mat for the last ten

1904
01:17:29,280 --> 01:17:30,639
Speaker 2: seconds for twenty.

1905
01:17:30,479 --> 01:17:31,880
Speaker 1: Four twenty five minutes, that's who.

1906
01:17:31,880 --> 01:17:35,400
Speaker 3: This guy was completely in the zone into.

1907
01:17:35,200 --> 01:17:36,400
Speaker 2: His credit, you know, higher time.

1908
01:17:36,479 --> 01:17:38,960
Speaker 1: He had adjusted so well in the second Volkanovsky fight

1909
01:17:39,000 --> 01:17:41,960
Speaker 1: in terms of changing his strategy, and even though Volkanovski

1910
01:17:42,120 --> 01:17:44,320
Speaker 1: rallied to close that fight out and ultimately win it.

1911
01:17:44,760 --> 01:17:47,320
Speaker 1: This is just a reminder that Okay, no title on him,

1912
01:17:47,479 --> 01:17:49,000
Speaker 1: but he's still in the pomp for pund top ten.

1913
01:17:49,400 --> 01:17:51,280
Speaker 1: He right now after this SKATERA. I mean it might

1914
01:17:51,280 --> 01:17:53,240
Speaker 1: be one of the like his resume is so sick.

1915
01:17:53,439 --> 01:17:55,520
Speaker 1: He's one of those guys Luke who could have retired

1916
01:17:55,720 --> 01:17:58,240
Speaker 1: out his thirtieth birthday and yet you you'd still end

1917
01:17:58,320 --> 01:17:59,120
Speaker 1: up putting that resume.

1918
01:17:59,200 --> 01:18:00,719
Speaker 2: Dude, listen to listen to these numbers.

1919
01:18:00,720 --> 01:18:02,280
Speaker 3: So in the first round this is bad enough, but

1920
01:18:02,320 --> 01:18:04,200
Speaker 3: this is the strike totals for Holloway to.

1921
01:18:04,160 --> 01:18:06,040
Speaker 2: Cater fifty six to twenty four. That's bad.

1922
01:18:06,400 --> 01:18:08,759
Speaker 3: How about this one eighty nine to twenty that's really

1923
01:18:08,760 --> 01:18:11,559
Speaker 3: fucking bad. How about seventy five to twenty nine, And

1924
01:18:11,600 --> 01:18:12,800
Speaker 3: then listen to this one.

1925
01:18:12,840 --> 01:18:13,760
Speaker 2: I literally don't know.

1926
01:18:13,680 --> 01:18:15,719
Speaker 3: If I've ever seen this from a guy who didn't

1927
01:18:15,720 --> 01:18:18,240
Speaker 3: get stopped. This is what landed, not even when he

1928
01:18:18,280 --> 01:18:22,960
Speaker 3: threw one hundred and forty one to thirty four. Dude,

1929
01:18:23,439 --> 01:18:27,720
Speaker 3: I mean, how did Calvin Cater deal with that? And

1930
01:18:27,720 --> 01:18:30,799
Speaker 3: then in the last round eighty four to twenty six? Yo, Max,

1931
01:18:30,960 --> 01:18:33,320
Speaker 3: it could have been stopped. Max, may ti n and

1932
01:18:33,680 --> 01:18:35,880
Speaker 3: you should say something about this Calvin Cater is an

1933
01:18:35,880 --> 01:18:38,240
Speaker 3: excellent fighter that was not some chump.

1934
01:18:38,280 --> 01:18:41,080
Speaker 2: He was fighting and Max beat the brakes off of him.

1935
01:18:41,120 --> 01:18:43,880
Speaker 1: The most recent fight for Yaya Rodriguez would be against

1936
01:18:43,960 --> 01:18:47,120
Speaker 1: Ry Rodriguez. Excuse me for that to close twenty twenty one,

1937
01:18:47,200 --> 01:18:49,519
Speaker 1: November thirteenth. It's a UFC fight nightmin event.

1938
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Speaker 2: Luke.

1939
01:18:49,800 --> 01:18:52,479
Speaker 1: I thought the Cater win was enough, like, hey, let's

1940
01:18:52,479 --> 01:18:54,840
Speaker 1: do it, let's do Volkanovski. UFC decided not to do

1941
01:18:54,840 --> 01:18:56,439
Speaker 1: You remember those situations.

1942
01:18:55,920 --> 01:18:57,679
Speaker 2: The right I think he wasn't going to be able

1943
01:18:57,680 --> 01:18:59,760
Speaker 2: to and also Max I wanted to stay busy.

1944
01:19:00,640 --> 01:19:03,200
Speaker 1: Well, Max took us stay busy against y Aa Rodriguez. Luke,

1945
01:19:03,240 --> 01:19:05,240
Speaker 1: this would go down is a unanimous decision. But this

1946
01:19:05,400 --> 01:19:08,519
Speaker 1: sneaky great fight was the fight of the night. It

1947
01:19:08,560 --> 01:19:10,800
Speaker 1: was a fight of the year contender. And even though

1948
01:19:10,840 --> 01:19:13,280
Speaker 1: it's a unanimous decision forty nine to forty six and

1949
01:19:13,400 --> 01:19:17,240
Speaker 1: forty eight forty seven twice for Max, dude, this may

1950
01:19:17,280 --> 01:19:19,439
Speaker 1: have been the best performance of the year Rodriguez's career

1951
01:19:19,439 --> 01:19:23,640
Speaker 1: because this fight they both had huge moments in constant

1952
01:19:23,960 --> 01:19:26,920
Speaker 1: you know, shifting of momentum, and there was drama. Do

1953
01:19:27,000 --> 01:19:30,000
Speaker 1: you think there's anything hidden in this we don't know

1954
01:19:30,040 --> 01:19:31,760
Speaker 1: if Max is gonna win or lose this third fight

1955
01:19:31,760 --> 01:19:34,720
Speaker 1: against Volkanowski. Let's say you find out you can see

1956
01:19:34,720 --> 01:19:37,879
Speaker 1: the future and he loses that fight, and he loses

1957
01:19:38,320 --> 01:19:41,200
Speaker 1: in the most, you know, widest fashion of this rivalry.

1958
01:19:41,520 --> 01:19:43,920
Speaker 1: We look back at the aear fight and say, man,

1959
01:19:43,960 --> 01:19:45,920
Speaker 1: maybe Max took more upon it, because that's the thing

1960
01:19:46,120 --> 01:19:48,599
Speaker 1: I came out of the year fight, going, dude, Max

1961
01:19:48,640 --> 01:19:52,040
Speaker 1: Holloway is so great that even against the all time,

1962
01:19:52,120 --> 01:19:54,000
Speaker 1: you know, the best performance I've ever seen from Rodriguez,

1963
01:19:54,000 --> 01:19:56,640
Speaker 1: He's constantly figuring out ways to adjusin win by, so

1964
01:19:56,680 --> 01:19:59,000
Speaker 1: a lot of people on the old timeline going, oh

1965
01:19:59,120 --> 01:20:01,960
Speaker 1: this is this is I'm catching up with next least.

1966
01:20:02,120 --> 01:20:02,880
Speaker 1: He's a huge strike.

1967
01:20:02,960 --> 01:20:04,920
Speaker 2: He's an old thirty. Let's be real about that.

1968
01:20:05,000 --> 01:20:06,439
Speaker 3: He's thirty, which is quite young, but he's an old

1969
01:20:06,479 --> 01:20:09,080
Speaker 3: thirty because he started at twenty, which means his prime

1970
01:20:09,120 --> 01:20:09,760
Speaker 3: is going to come to.

1971
01:20:11,760 --> 01:20:13,639
Speaker 2: Correctly started UFC A twenty. What I mean to say

1972
01:20:13,680 --> 01:20:15,799
Speaker 2: is if you start earlier, you're going to exit earlier.

1973
01:20:15,880 --> 01:20:18,720
Speaker 3: And let's be clear about it, dude, He's taken a lot,

1974
01:20:19,040 --> 01:20:20,120
Speaker 3: a lot of damage.

1975
01:20:20,120 --> 01:20:23,240
Speaker 2: But here's what this fight represents to me and why.

1976
01:20:23,360 --> 01:20:27,559
Speaker 3: Max is so special, because what did Volkanovski tell me

1977
01:20:27,600 --> 01:20:29,760
Speaker 3: about his style when I met with him in New York?

1978
01:20:29,800 --> 01:20:31,200
Speaker 2: He goes, I have a style.

1979
01:20:30,920 --> 01:20:33,040
Speaker 3: That just deals well with a lot of other styles.

1980
01:20:33,080 --> 01:20:35,080
Speaker 3: I can just apply it to a lot of different ways.

1981
01:20:35,560 --> 01:20:37,639
Speaker 3: Up until the ear fight, and you know, the party

1982
01:20:37,760 --> 01:20:39,680
Speaker 3: was up a weight class. We don't really count that

1983
01:20:39,960 --> 01:20:41,760
Speaker 3: it's relevant there too, But I'm talking about for one

1984
01:20:41,760 --> 01:20:42,559
Speaker 3: to forty five vers.

1985
01:20:43,080 --> 01:20:44,240
Speaker 2: Max had a different.

1986
01:20:43,960 --> 01:20:46,120
Speaker 3: Style, of course than Volkanowski, but had a similar kind

1987
01:20:46,120 --> 01:20:49,639
Speaker 3: of approach. His boxing, sort of centric style was good

1988
01:20:49,720 --> 01:20:53,320
Speaker 3: enough for everyone in that division, basically right up until

1989
01:20:53,360 --> 01:20:55,479
Speaker 3: the point where he hit Vulkanowski. But the point I'm

1990
01:20:55,479 --> 01:20:57,599
Speaker 3: trying to make is he even in the Volkanovski fight,

1991
01:20:57,640 --> 01:20:59,439
Speaker 3: it wasn't like he had to resort to something else

1992
01:20:59,800 --> 01:21:01,439
Speaker 3: to get the w. He kind of just kept at a

1993
01:21:01,479 --> 01:21:04,080
Speaker 3: striking affair for the majority of that contest. Dude, he

1994
01:21:04,160 --> 01:21:06,000
Speaker 3: kind of I'm not going to say he didn't have.

1995
01:21:06,000 --> 01:21:07,840
Speaker 2: His moments on the feet. He obviously did.

1996
01:21:08,720 --> 01:21:12,000
Speaker 3: But answer me this question, BC, does Max win that

1997
01:21:12,040 --> 01:21:14,760
Speaker 3: fight without the three takedowns that he got. I don't

1998
01:21:14,800 --> 01:21:17,240
Speaker 3: know that he does. This was me saying, yes, Max

1999
01:21:17,280 --> 01:21:19,599
Speaker 3: has gotten older. He's taking a lot of punishment. But Max,

2000
01:21:19,960 --> 01:21:22,400
Speaker 3: he is fucking smart and he is well rounded to

2001
01:21:22,479 --> 01:21:24,439
Speaker 3: the point where, yes, before what was he doing? He

2002
01:21:24,520 --> 01:21:26,880
Speaker 3: was stuffing everyone's takedowns. How many times on MK have

2003
01:21:26,960 --> 01:21:30,120
Speaker 3: I talked about it? What skills do you have outside

2004
01:21:30,120 --> 01:21:32,519
Speaker 3: of your A game that are good enough to beat

2005
01:21:32,560 --> 01:21:37,400
Speaker 3: elite fight Max Holloway. Max Holloway had the wrestling and

2006
01:21:37,479 --> 01:21:40,160
Speaker 3: the jiu jitsu to win this fight outside of his

2007
01:21:40,200 --> 01:21:42,600
Speaker 3: A game against a very game competitor.

2008
01:21:42,640 --> 01:21:44,479
Speaker 1: And that was again two fights removed from in the

2009
01:21:44,479 --> 01:21:47,479
Speaker 1: rematch with Bolkanowski making those changes to basically tell the

2010
01:21:47,560 --> 01:21:50,000
Speaker 1: chess master, here's another way to do it. You know,

2011
01:21:50,040 --> 01:21:51,880
Speaker 1: it makes some adjustments, which makes me wonder.

2012
01:21:51,880 --> 01:21:53,800
Speaker 2: By the way, if you want to know, Rodriguez is

2013
01:21:53,840 --> 01:21:56,200
Speaker 2: not Volkanowski not. But I do wonder.

2014
01:21:56,280 --> 01:21:57,680
Speaker 3: People have asked me what will be different than the

2015
01:21:57,680 --> 01:21:59,320
Speaker 3: third fight with Volkanowski, and we'll talk about this in

2016
01:21:59,320 --> 01:22:02,719
Speaker 3: the separate video. I do wonder if wrestling takedowns, clinching

2017
01:22:02,760 --> 01:22:05,240
Speaker 3: might be better because you just stand apart from volkowski stuff, or.

2018
01:22:05,320 --> 01:22:08,000
Speaker 1: We have a new offensively inclined Volkanofsky wasn't that he

2019
01:22:08,080 --> 01:22:09,880
Speaker 1: was never offensively inclined, but he seems to be going

2020
01:22:09,920 --> 01:22:13,000
Speaker 1: for the finish more often, in landing damage more often.

2021
01:22:13,080 --> 01:22:15,439
Speaker 1: So who knows what that third fight can look like.

2022
01:22:15,479 --> 01:22:19,439
Speaker 1: But Luke, as we look back at this incredible career,

2023
01:22:19,439 --> 01:22:22,000
Speaker 1: which is still ongoing, he's only thirty years old, do

2024
01:22:22,040 --> 01:22:23,720
Speaker 1: you have a turning point on those fights we just

2025
01:22:23,760 --> 01:22:26,800
Speaker 1: recaped what stands out to you as a as the

2026
01:22:26,840 --> 01:22:28,240
Speaker 1: pivotal moments of the run.

2027
01:22:28,120 --> 01:22:33,800
Speaker 2: Of Max Holloway, Swanson, Chope Swanson.

2028
01:22:35,760 --> 01:22:42,240
Speaker 3: And I'm gonna say, Aldo, Pettus, Okay, so Chope Swanson,

2029
01:22:42,320 --> 01:22:44,800
Speaker 3: Pettis Aldo, those are the big ones for me, and

2030
01:22:44,840 --> 01:22:48,160
Speaker 3: then Cater another one because I didn't I didn't think

2031
01:22:48,160 --> 01:22:49,360
Speaker 3: he was going to be done after the look to

2032
01:22:49,360 --> 01:22:52,240
Speaker 3: your point, like, those weren't whether you thought Max one.

2033
01:22:52,160 --> 01:22:52,679
Speaker 2: Or he didn't.

2034
01:22:52,720 --> 01:22:54,360
Speaker 3: And you know, we're gonna talk about this later, but

2035
01:22:54,880 --> 01:22:57,920
Speaker 3: the Volkanowski fights were not punishing, right, they were not

2036
01:22:58,200 --> 01:23:00,920
Speaker 3: they were not draining in that sense. So I didn't

2037
01:23:00,960 --> 01:23:03,360
Speaker 3: think he was done. But I was like, well, what's

2038
01:23:03,360 --> 01:23:05,759
Speaker 3: he going to really do at featherweight and maybe time's

2039
01:23:05,800 --> 01:23:07,639
Speaker 3: going to pass him by, And then to beat two

2040
01:23:07,720 --> 01:23:09,599
Speaker 3: of the very best guys who were on their way

2041
01:23:09,680 --> 01:23:12,720
Speaker 3: up the ladder as thoroughly as he beat obviously comventicator,

2042
01:23:12,760 --> 01:23:15,760
Speaker 3: and then as expertly, I'll say, as he was able

2043
01:23:15,800 --> 01:23:17,920
Speaker 3: to get the win against the Aero Rodriuz, a very

2044
01:23:17,960 --> 01:23:22,200
Speaker 3: tough aer Rodriguez. Dude, Max is a very special fighter.

2045
01:23:22,240 --> 01:23:23,559
Speaker 3: I'm going to say, at one more time, how many

2046
01:23:23,680 --> 01:23:25,360
Speaker 3: guys can you say at thirty years of age who

2047
01:23:25,400 --> 01:23:27,519
Speaker 3: are holding no belts that you look around and you

2048
01:23:27,520 --> 01:23:30,479
Speaker 3: say that guy is a certified first ballot Hall of Famer.

2049
01:23:30,560 --> 01:23:31,559
Speaker 2: That is Max Holloway.

2050
01:23:31,880 --> 01:23:35,840
Speaker 1: Who love it? What a trilogy, What a historical implication

2051
01:23:35,880 --> 01:23:39,080
Speaker 1: for both Volkanowski and Max Holloway. It's a rare trilogy

2052
01:23:39,160 --> 01:23:41,400
Speaker 1: enough when one man won the first two and yet

2053
01:23:41,400 --> 01:23:42,760
Speaker 1: we're going to do a third one. But what a

2054
01:23:42,800 --> 01:23:45,400
Speaker 1: career already if he never fights again. Max Holloway is

2055
01:23:45,439 --> 01:23:48,120
Speaker 1: a day one ish Hall of Famer, indeed one of

2056
01:23:48,120 --> 01:23:51,360
Speaker 1: the greatest runs, that thirteen fight win streak, and yet

2057
01:23:51,840 --> 01:23:54,040
Speaker 1: adversity has struck him in the last few years and

2058
01:23:54,080 --> 01:23:56,519
Speaker 1: he's been able to bounce back. I am Brian Campbell.

2059
01:23:56,520 --> 01:23:59,479
Speaker 1: This is Luke Thomas Morning Combat Curse or no curse.

2060
01:23:59,520 --> 01:24:01,800
Speaker 1: We'll review resumes. There ain't one better, for the most

2061
01:24:01,840 --> 01:24:05,360
Speaker 1: part than Max Alway, we'll see what happens in the fights. Saturday,

2062
01:24:05,479 --> 01:24:09,240
Speaker 1: July second, UFC two seven six from Las Vegas. Luke

2063
01:24:09,280 --> 01:24:12,479
Speaker 1: and I will be there, allegedly, allegedly thank you for

2064
01:24:12,520 --> 01:24:14,880
Speaker 1: your time. Two words we out