1 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:06,960 Speaker 1: Wrestling is a training ground for life, but nothing is 2 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:08,800 Speaker 1: going to be tougher than life. And that's why I 3 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:11,640 Speaker 1: always say to my athletes, like, when you look at 4 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:14,000 Speaker 1: this in five or six years down the road, you're 5 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 1: gonna lamp at the diversity that you're face in this room. 6 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:18,320 Speaker 1: When it comes to adversity, you're gonna face in life. 7 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:20,800 Speaker 1: But I can tell you this right now, if you 8 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:22,799 Speaker 1: quit in this, it's gonna make it a lot easier 9 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:28,160 Speaker 1: to quit in life. This is the Reformed Sports Project, 10 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 1: a podcast about restoring healthy balance and perspective in all 11 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:35,519 Speaker 1: areas of sports through education and advocacy. Hi, this is 12 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:38,800 Speaker 1: Nick Bonacoor from the Reformed Sports Project podcast. Joining me 13 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:42,240 Speaker 1: today is Glenn Lanham, had wrestling coach at Duke University. 14 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 1: Coach Landham has made major strides and each of his 15 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 1: seasons at the Helm with the Blue Devils, seeing at 16 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 1: least two of his wrestlers qualified for n c A 17 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:53,279 Speaker 1: Championships in seven of his nine seasons. Coach and I 18 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 1: get into a host of topics including competition failure and 19 00:00:56,800 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 1: building relationships between players and coaches, and I'm freaking fired up. 20 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 1: I got another phenomenal guest. I'm really humbled to have him. 21 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:05,760 Speaker 1: He's a stud got to know him over the last 22 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 1: few years. Had wrestling coach at Duke University, the Blue 23 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 1: Devil's coach, Glenn Land. I'm Coach landa man, Thanks so 24 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 1: much for hopping on, coach. Excited to be on and 25 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 1: thank you for having me for sure, Yeah, no doubt. So. So, 26 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:20,560 Speaker 1: you know, we're talking youth sports. We're talking athletic development 27 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 1: and everything in between. Um, we're also talking about a 28 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 1: sport that I've come to you know, my boys are involved. 29 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 1: It's something that I know nothing about from my own 30 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:32,200 Speaker 1: personal experience, but I've come to love the sport of wrestling. Um. 31 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 1: It's it's a sport that I you know, I think 32 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:35,960 Speaker 1: it teaches so much more than just a physical It's 33 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 1: just to teach his life right in front of you. 34 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 1: Is hold you accountable in so many different ways. I 35 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:42,039 Speaker 1: love it. Huge fan. But you know, I want I 36 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:43,760 Speaker 1: want to ask you this, coach, there is a and 37 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 1: this is kind of where I want to start wrestling itself. 38 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 1: It's not a I feel like it's a sport where 39 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 1: a lot of times, at least from around here in 40 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 1: North Carolina, a lot of kids don't really get introduced 41 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 1: to it until they get to high school. Um, of 42 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 1: course some of your you know, better kids maybe our 43 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 1: experience of the club stuff at an early your age. 44 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 1: But I feel like it's one of those sports where, 45 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 1: you know, if you've never wrestled in your life, but 46 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 1: you're a great athlete, you're a defensive lineman, you're a 47 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 1: linebacker on the football team, whatever it is, and you 48 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 1: get plugged into the wrestling, you could be coachable. I 49 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 1: feel like it's one of those sports that great athletes 50 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:15,960 Speaker 1: can become good at. Can you talk about the athleticism 51 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 1: that gets into uh, you know what it takes to 52 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 1: be a wrestler from a just from a physical side. Well, 53 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:23,360 Speaker 1: that's I think that that's a good that's a great point. 54 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:27,359 Speaker 1: I actually I think if you look at wrestling is 55 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 1: a sport that other sports don't accent well, but if 56 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 1: you look at what wrestling does for other sports, it's 57 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:37,919 Speaker 1: it's it's tremendous. I know, I was a three sport 58 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 1: athlete in high school. I played football, wrestling, and lacrosse, 59 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:46,800 Speaker 1: and you know, from wrestling, all those things that I 60 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 1: got out of wrestling could just accent all of those 61 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 1: other sports that I played, and I think that that's 62 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 1: what you talk about. If you're a great athlete, you're 63 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:58,119 Speaker 1: coachabowl now, I know, you know, experience for it kind 64 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 1: of you know, it's it's really weird how the sport 65 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:04,640 Speaker 1: of wrestling goes. So the higher weights, you go, you 66 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 1: can be pretty much a good athlete and and and 67 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:11,359 Speaker 1: jump into wrestling relatively late. But then when you look 68 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 1: at the low weights, I think it's more finess. Jump 69 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:18,079 Speaker 1: into those a little bit sooner. You know, you can 70 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 1: look at an athletic upperweight UH with left experience can 71 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:27,079 Speaker 1: be really successful because just because he's an athlete, he 72 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 1: may pick up pretty quick. When you look at the 73 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:33,519 Speaker 1: lower weights, it's kind of more experienced. I think it's 74 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 1: it's you know, those guys roll around encounter. There's a 75 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 1: lot going on at those lower weights where you kind 76 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 1: of you gotta get in the game early. So that's 77 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 1: kind of my take. I mean, when I was coaching 78 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 1: high school wrestling with City, we had we were fortunate 79 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 1: to have a bunch of great heavyweights and a lot 80 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 1: of them are played football at Miszoo and we had 81 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 1: uh one one in particularly, he didn't start wrestling until. 82 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 1: It's not a great year and UH then stopped wrestling 83 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 1: and they came out of senior year and he was 84 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 1: a state runner up. We taught him a couple of moves, 85 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 1: but he was he was super athletic, had great balance, 86 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 1: obviously strong, and uh it was able to benefit him 87 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 1: in those areas and then obviously going on to play football. 88 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 1: You know, you talk about what wrestling does the hand 89 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:19,839 Speaker 1: and the foot coordination, what it does for football, it's 90 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:21,920 Speaker 1: just tremendous. You can look at a lot of these 91 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 1: you know, premier linemen and linebackers, and you know, you 92 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 1: watch the Bowl games and they talk about the wrestling background. 93 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 1: So yeah, like I said, I think wrestling it's a 94 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 1: sport that can accent a bunch of sports. But you know, 95 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 1: if you look at what other sports do for wrestling, 96 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 1: it's kind of limited. You know. One of the things 97 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:42,159 Speaker 1: that you're you're as you're talking, I'm thinking about And yeah, 98 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 1: my point with that was like how much the sport exposes, 99 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:49,720 Speaker 1: you know, overall ceticism. But I think there's an incredible 100 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 1: amount of competitiveness. You know, like I know from my 101 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 1: baseball background, if you take a kid who never really 102 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:56,919 Speaker 1: played the sport of baseball through a baseball around and 103 00:04:56,960 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 1: caught it and you try to plug him into a 104 00:04:58,400 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 1: game at twelve years old, they're gonna have a sit 105 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 1: areous issue. Um, and it's going to be exposed at 106 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:05,160 Speaker 1: a high level, even if that kids are really good athlete, 107 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 1: because it's so skills specific. And that's kind of what 108 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 1: I want to get into, is like the sports sampling, 109 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 1: right because listen, we we talked about this before, coach, 110 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 1: It's this topic I love to cover specialization early versus 111 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:18,480 Speaker 1: you know, kids being well rounded or at least uh, 112 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:21,039 Speaker 1: you know, sampling of variety of sports. And that sweet 113 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 1: spot that the data at least provided by the Aspect 114 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 1: Institute and such will say is pre puberty. Really seven 115 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:29,280 Speaker 1: and thirteen years old is when you want to have 116 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:32,840 Speaker 1: the most versatile sampling time of sport because that's when 117 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 1: your body is developing and your you know, all these 118 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:36,920 Speaker 1: things are coming and then as you get a little older, 119 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 1: you want to lock it in so be it, uh 120 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 1: you know. But at the same time that well rounded 121 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 1: is gonna help you become a better athlete. How does 122 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 1: that all play in from a competitive standpoint? You know, 123 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:48,039 Speaker 1: from a competition and help kids on the wrestling map 124 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 1: being well rounded. Well, I just think that you can't 125 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 1: teach competition. So I would always say, like, if a 126 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 1: guy's too sport three sport athlete and they're getting the 127 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:02,360 Speaker 1: opportunity to pee where you know, you have the one 128 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 1: sport athlete that's that you know, they may be in 129 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 1: the weight room. Uh, they may play football and then 130 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:09,360 Speaker 1: go in the weight room, you know, for six months 131 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:11,720 Speaker 1: out of the year. I think that someone who you 132 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:14,919 Speaker 1: can't teach competition so you know, whether it's fourth and one, 133 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 1: or it's uh, you know, or you have five seconds 134 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 1: on the clock and you're down by two, you know, 135 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:24,039 Speaker 1: all of those things. I think competition is something that 136 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 1: you know, I feel like it's important, and I think 137 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 1: that specialization takes that away. Now you you look at 138 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 1: you know, some athletes sooner or a lady, you kind 139 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:36,480 Speaker 1: of pick what sport you're gonna be as a as 140 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:41,039 Speaker 1: a as a parent, as as many sports as you 141 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 1: know your your child can get into and and and 142 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 1: sample and experience and want to love and get involved with. 143 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:51,159 Speaker 1: I I think I I recruit two and three sport 144 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 1: athletes all the time, you know, because people look at 145 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 1: they say, well, you know, he didn't go to Fargo, 146 00:06:56,440 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 1: and I'm like, well, you know, because he was playing baseball, 147 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:01,040 Speaker 1: which is also a team, or he was playing across 148 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 1: where he was running track. So for me, you know, 149 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 1: the competition over you know, the specialization is something that 150 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 1: I always look at more because, like I said, you 151 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 1: can't teach that fourth and one or keep going for 152 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 1: a state championship in football and then coming into wrestling 153 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 1: and competing in wrestling, and then going from wrestling to 154 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 1: baseball and across the track. So those things, I think 155 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 1: that they'll figure it out. The athlete figures it out. 156 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 1: You know. When I when I started to kind of 157 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 1: look at okay, I was football, wrestling across, you know, 158 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 1: I figured, you know, kind of where my ticket was 159 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 1: gonna go. I I didn't need anybody saying, oh, you know, 160 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 1: I just figured like, hey, you know what, at the 161 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 1: end of the day, in order to be better, you know, 162 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 1: I have to start doing the freestyle, and in order 163 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 1: to do the freestyle, I had to limit my lacrosse. So, uh, 164 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 1: let the athlete figure it out, you know, don't. I 165 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 1: have athletes called me all the time and say, coach, 166 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 1: what do you think I want to play football? But 167 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 1: I don't want to get hurt. And I say, what's 168 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 1: your heart telling It's it's telling me I want to 169 00:07:57,080 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 1: play football. And I'm like, I'll be with you play football. 170 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 1: What a great freaking point you're bringing up. And and 171 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 1: how simple of the piece of advice asked your kid, 172 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 1: you know, asked the athlete, right like, let them figure 173 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 1: it out. As parents, though we we have to obviously, 174 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 1: we have to guide, you know, and and but sometimes 175 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 1: it's like, hey, you know, where are you You know, 176 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 1: what are you thinking right now? You know what are 177 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 1: where's your heart telling you to go? And I think 178 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 1: I think kids will tell us you know what I mean. 179 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 1: But you know, at the same time, it's one of 180 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 1: those deals where, you know, if a safety concern comes 181 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 1: into play and the kids, you know, bodies broken down, 182 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 1: getting I think that's a unique circumstance. But we're talking 183 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 1: about is how simple And Tim Corbin, you know, I'm 184 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 1: sure you know who Coach Corbin is from Vanderbilt University 185 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:37,080 Speaker 1: baseball coach. His famous you know, one of his famous 186 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 1: lines or something he said to me on our podcast 187 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 1: was released the opportunity to your child, you know, release 188 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:44,560 Speaker 1: the opportunity for them to kind of take the keys 189 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 1: and take the reins a little bit. And I think 190 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 1: it's toughest parents to do that. And you know what 191 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 1: we do in the process, coach Landam, is we prevent 192 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:53,440 Speaker 1: the kids from struggling. You know, we prevent them from 193 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 1: from failing. Why are those things so important for you know, 194 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 1: kids to go through before they even get on the 195 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:00,840 Speaker 1: radar to come to wrestle For you, well, I think 196 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:03,960 Speaker 1: you have to experience some adversity. You can't just you know, 197 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 1: as as parents, it's hard to see your child fail, 198 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 1: but just remember, sooner or later you're not gonna be there. 199 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 1: And and the life lessons that they learned from failing 200 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 1: and getting backed up are gonna be lessons that they're 201 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 1: gonna take through a lifetime and they're gonna teach their 202 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 1: their children. I think the more we look at society now, 203 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 1: it is that type of you know, parents want to shield. 204 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 1: People always talk to me about you know, I have 205 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 1: a parent that says all the time, it's like he says, coach, 206 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 1: you're you do a great job at peak and your athletes. 207 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:38,560 Speaker 1: It seems like all the time that your guys are 208 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 1: always ready for nationals and and a ccs and nationals. 209 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 1: What do you do? I say, Well, I asked my athletes, 210 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:48,960 Speaker 1: when they say they're tired, I I pull back. When 211 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 1: they say they want more, I give him more. I said. 212 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 1: It's the formula is simple. If you if you can 213 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 1: trust your athlete. And I think it's the same way 214 00:09:56,679 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 1: when you have a child. It's like a multiple sport sleep. 215 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:02,840 Speaker 1: You know, sooner or later it's gonna come to that 216 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:05,320 Speaker 1: point where they're gonna say, wow, you know what, I 217 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 1: really I feel like I can achieve more on this 218 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 1: sport if I limit the amount of the other sport. 219 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 1: They'll make that decision. But you have to trust them, uh, 220 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:18,199 Speaker 1: and you have to guide them in order for them 221 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:21,560 Speaker 1: to make that decision. And I've I've always been you know, 222 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 1: thank God, I've always been fortune it to have athletes 223 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 1: that I trust when they say they're tired, I can 224 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:31,719 Speaker 1: let off the gas, and I trust when they say 225 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 1: they they need more, I can put on the gas. 226 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:36,679 Speaker 1: So I think it's that gift take relationship. But if 227 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:40,760 Speaker 1: you establish a strong relationship, you know, with your child, 228 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:42,679 Speaker 1: and that's on the three sports and the two sports, 229 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:45,600 Speaker 1: you're gonna find out that, uh. You know, if you 230 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:49,720 Speaker 1: trust their opinion. A lot of times, you won't go wrong. Man, 231 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 1: that word right there, And I want to get into that, 232 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 1: the trust and the relationship aspect of it, which is 233 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 1: such a key element not just for parenting, but also 234 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 1: from a coach athlete relationship. Man, I mean, how do 235 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 1: you you know I'm gonna you know, Mike Fox, he's 236 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 1: my I got. I got the chance to play for him, 237 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:05,679 Speaker 1: and you know, as I've gotten older, I played for 238 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 1: him for you know this is people often ask like, 239 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 1: you know, how do you know who your best coat? 240 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 1: You know who? Who the coach? I'm like, man, who 241 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:14,079 Speaker 1: the coach was you connected with the most? I'm like, man, 242 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 1: I don't know if you can explain. You just feel 243 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 1: that thing, you know, whoever it is. And there's a president, 244 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:20,560 Speaker 1: there's a relationship, there's a connection, there's a bond. He 245 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 1: and I mean, I hadn't talked to him in a while, 246 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 1: and uh, I lived in New York and I moved 247 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:27,839 Speaker 1: down here to Wilmington, North Carolina. They were playing when 248 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:30,200 Speaker 1: he was still coaching Carolina. They were playing a game 249 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:32,320 Speaker 1: at u n C. W Right University of North Carolina, 250 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 1: Wilmington's and I went down. I see coach. I hadn't 251 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:37,680 Speaker 1: seen him in probably ten years. I reached my hand out, Hey, coach, 252 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 1: are doing man? He goes put that hand down, He 253 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 1: wraps his arms around me, bear hugs me. I'm like, 254 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 1: oh my god, this is pretty cool and I love 255 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 1: you coach. YadA, YadA, YadA. But that's something that you 256 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 1: can't that's that that's forged in the fire of competition, 257 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 1: in the bonding, in the relationship, and that's unbreakable. How 258 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 1: do you do that? How do you as a coach, 259 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 1: And let's say, at any level, developed that camaraderie, that 260 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:02,679 Speaker 1: trust that with your athletes and build it so that 261 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:04,680 Speaker 1: you can go because I think that trust in that 262 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 1: relationship can take performance to the next level. Oh, no doubt, 263 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:12,240 Speaker 1: no doubt. I've I've been fortunate to have some really 264 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:16,239 Speaker 1: good coaches. And when you want to win and compete 265 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:20,200 Speaker 1: for yourself and your coach, then that's where that that 266 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 1: bond takes place. But it's a relationship where you know, 267 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 1: I I remember very young in high school when I 268 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:30,440 Speaker 1: had a new coach come in who to this day 269 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:34,040 Speaker 1: we stay in touch, and that was years years ago. 270 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:37,079 Speaker 1: He he's never missed the national tournament for my freshman 271 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 1: year on. And we always find time at nationals to 272 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:42,319 Speaker 1: to sit down and talk, to go out and eat 273 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:46,439 Speaker 1: if we have time. But if you know, sometimes coaches 274 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 1: gotta tell you things you don't want to hear. And 275 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:51,560 Speaker 1: he was one of those guys that you know, would say, hey, 276 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:53,679 Speaker 1: if you want to achieve in this area, maybe you 277 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:55,680 Speaker 1: might have to do less in this other area. And 278 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 1: then too. I remember one time we had a morning 279 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:01,840 Speaker 1: practice and I was just super tired and and just 280 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:04,080 Speaker 1: you know, and it was an individual. He was gonna 281 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 1: go in there and we're gonna roll around together, and 282 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 1: I was just not feeling you know, and he's and 283 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:09,840 Speaker 1: you know, I'm in there, and I'm kind of feeling 284 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 1: sorry for myself. It's up in the morning. You know, 285 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:14,559 Speaker 1: I could run there in to practice and we're rolling 286 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 1: around and he just stops in the middle of it, 287 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:18,080 Speaker 1: and he's like, look, what are you what are you doing? 288 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:20,440 Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, coach, you know, I'm starting 289 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 1: to going to my stop story about this, and that 290 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 1: he's a glook. You know. I get up out of 291 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:27,200 Speaker 1: bed just like you you know, I leave a warm bed, 292 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:30,560 Speaker 1: I leave my wife, I leave my family. You know, 293 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:32,679 Speaker 1: I do all these things because I want you to 294 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:36,559 Speaker 1: be better. I will always give you find a way 295 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 1: to give me one and and right then and there, 296 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:41,679 Speaker 1: I was like, you know what I net. I thought 297 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 1: to my coach, I was the most important thing there was. 298 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:46,680 Speaker 1: But you know what it comes up. You know, it's 299 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:50,199 Speaker 1: it's family, it's and he's sacrificing that time to give 300 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:53,320 Speaker 1: to me. So one thing I always would would stress 301 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 1: to my athletes are like, and you know sometimes coaches 302 00:13:57,360 --> 00:13:59,560 Speaker 1: are like, oh, you know, your athletes don't need to 303 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:02,480 Speaker 1: know that you know your family and this and that 304 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:05,319 Speaker 1: because you know, uh, you're you need to just focus 305 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:07,720 Speaker 1: on on there the most important things. But I'm like, look, 306 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 1: there's there's other things that I would rather be doing 307 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 1: if you can't get your act together. And that's what 308 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 1: I remember. My coach was like, I was like, you 309 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 1: know what, that's right, you know, if I can't come 310 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 1: in here and give this man all of my time 311 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 1: who he's given his time and sacrificing his family, because 312 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 1: I think athletes sometimes get narrowminded. You know, it's it's 313 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 1: about me, it's about me, it's about me, but it's 314 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 1: it's really in order for you to get better. Somebody 315 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:34,480 Speaker 1: is sacrificing time or something in order for you to 316 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:38,200 Speaker 1: get better. So if you can go into that practice 317 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 1: and that, the better you're gonna be. And to me, 318 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 1: that was something that just changed the way I looked 319 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 1: at the way I had to act and the way 320 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:50,480 Speaker 1: I had to be from that moment on. That's Glenn 321 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:53,920 Speaker 1: Lanham had wrestling coach at Duke University. When we returned, 322 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:57,720 Speaker 1: Coach Lanham and I will discuss accountability, structure and advice 323 00:14:57,760 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 1: for kids trying to play sports in college. Welcome back 324 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 1: to the Reformed Sports Project podcast. Were Coach Landam and 325 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 1: I left off, we were about to dig further into 326 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 1: the importance of being held accountable and advice for those 327 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 1: looking to play sports in college. And you're talking about 328 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 1: like a coach holding you accountable, like like I think 329 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 1: it was recently Dion Sanders, it was like a year ago. 330 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 1: There was an audio clip Dion this is before he 331 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 1: got the Jackson Stage job. I think he was coaching 332 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 1: a high school team or something. And Dion was like, 333 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 1: you know, if you're a high school coach, you know 334 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 1: and your and your athletes aren't coming back to you, Well, 335 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:40,120 Speaker 1: why is that? It's probably because you're not holding I'm 336 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 1: not word for wording it right now, but he's basically 337 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 1: saying kids want to play or compete for coaches that 338 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 1: are holding them accountable. That aren't a push over? You 339 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 1: know that are you know? People talk about the word love. 340 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:52,200 Speaker 1: I love my athletes, I love my coach, I love 341 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 1: this well, and then others was that well? Love is 342 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 1: also accountability, discipline, it's structure, it's all those things, but 343 00:15:58,080 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 1: people don't want to I've had a conversation with Jim 344 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 1: who nuts long agoing people are afraid of the word discipline. 345 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 1: Nowadays it's like it's a bad word, right, discipline. We 346 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:08,160 Speaker 1: can't discipline. It's like, wait a minute here, I think 347 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 1: that that gets taken out of context. But isn't holding 348 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 1: someone accountable, you know, keeping discipline in line, keeping the child, 349 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 1: helping to keep them on the right back. Isn't that 350 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 1: showing them love? I mean I'm talking about without you know, 351 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 1: hurting someone right, Let's get that out of the equation. 352 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 1: We're talking about in a healthy way. Isn't that healthy? 353 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 1: I believe so everybody, you know, when you when you 354 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 1: have athletes, whether young or old, everyone wants guidelines. Everyone 355 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 1: wants discipline, you know, and I call it you know, 356 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 1: when you get into the Bible more and you talk 357 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 1: about the Bible always says correction, you know. And that's 358 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 1: what I think when I look at as a coach, 359 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:48,240 Speaker 1: you know, it's not so much discipline, but it is correction. 360 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 1: And even as a coach, we have to be able 361 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 1: to give correction, but we have to be able to 362 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 1: take correction as well too, because sometimes your athletes have 363 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 1: something that you know that you may need and you're 364 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 1: not giving them and you have to be ready to 365 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:04,720 Speaker 1: give correction and take it just as equally. And that's 366 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:07,160 Speaker 1: what I feel like. It's I don't talk I never 367 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:09,440 Speaker 1: talked to my athletes about discipline, but I do talk 368 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:11,320 Speaker 1: a lot about correction because, like I think, when you 369 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:13,439 Speaker 1: look at the Bible and it talks about you know, 370 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:16,639 Speaker 1: just like a father gives correction to his child, you know, 371 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:21,359 Speaker 1: it shows love. So for me, a biblical standpoint of 372 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:24,479 Speaker 1: correction where you're you're trying to guide someone in the 373 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 1: right direction and sometimes they may not understand that, but 374 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:30,680 Speaker 1: sooner or later they will. Such a critical aspect of it, 375 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:33,959 Speaker 1: Why is it do you think that athletes or kids 376 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 1: and at that moment. And this is kind of a 377 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:39,000 Speaker 1: hypothetical question, but from maybe from your own experience as 378 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 1: a coach and as an athlete, like, why is it 379 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:44,280 Speaker 1: that as you get away from let's say playing for 380 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 1: competing for a coach that maybe was a quote unquote 381 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:50,119 Speaker 1: hard butt right, Oh, he's he's he's strict, or he's this. 382 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:52,399 Speaker 1: But then when you get older, you know, you get 383 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:54,640 Speaker 1: a little wiser. Man that guy was, you know that 384 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:57,119 Speaker 1: he or her that coach man, I'm so grateful for 385 00:17:57,119 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 1: them holding me accountable. I'm so grateful for that structure 386 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:01,480 Speaker 1: that I was. And why as we get older do 387 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:04,440 Speaker 1: we look back on that and appreciate it more as 388 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 1: opposed to when more younger? Do you think? I think 389 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:08,919 Speaker 1: it's the life lessons that you all of a sudden, 390 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:11,880 Speaker 1: that you don't see in front of you that someone's 391 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:14,240 Speaker 1: giving you, and then all of a sudden until you experience. 392 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:17,200 Speaker 1: That's why I believe that it's important for every child 393 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 1: to go through adversity, because then when they go through 394 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 1: that adversity, they can appreciate more the correction that they 395 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:26,680 Speaker 1: got that got them through that. And at that moment, 396 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 1: they don't understand that, and at that moment, coach, why 397 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:31,119 Speaker 1: are you being so hard? Why are you doing this? 398 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 1: Why are you doing that? Because I look at my 399 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:38,439 Speaker 1: situation at Duke, so I have five years too and 400 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:43,320 Speaker 1: still some type of some type of like life benefit 401 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:46,360 Speaker 1: that a student athlete will have gone through my program. 402 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:50,120 Speaker 1: So I've had businessmen, I've had Navy seals, and all 403 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:52,639 Speaker 1: of those guys have come back and said, hey, I 404 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 1: remember this certain moment in practice when I broke and 405 00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 1: you looked at me and said, hey, you know what, 406 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:01,800 Speaker 1: give me one more because life it's tough, you know. 407 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:04,399 Speaker 1: I always and people talk about the great Dan Gable. 408 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 1: I don't like him because he's a hawkeuy, but that's 409 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 1: a joke. But there is one thing that he says 410 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:15,159 Speaker 1: that I totally disagree with. Dan Gabele says, you know, wrestling, 411 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 1: there's nothing tougher than wrestling, and I totally disagree with that. 412 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 1: But what I can say is that wrestling is the 413 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:29,119 Speaker 1: sport that can get you ready and prepared for life. 414 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:31,640 Speaker 1: And what I mean by that is, like I talked 415 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 1: to my student athletes all the time that if you 416 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:37,960 Speaker 1: can go through adversity and get through it and wrestling, 417 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:41,720 Speaker 1: then you know, you talk about what what life is 418 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 1: gonna throw at you. Life is gonna throw at you 419 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 1: a lot more than just winning and losing. It's gonna 420 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 1: throw at you, you know, loss of a child, loss 421 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:52,440 Speaker 1: of a parent, loss of a job, and and what 422 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:55,320 Speaker 1: you can take from that little sport you said, you 423 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 1: know what, I didn't give up. I fought through this. 424 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:02,879 Speaker 1: It aids that ability to fight through things. Wrestling is 425 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 1: a training ground for life. But nothing is gonna be 426 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:08,240 Speaker 1: tougher than life. Nothing is gonna be toughing on life. 427 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:10,960 Speaker 1: And that's where I always say to my athletes. It's 428 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 1: like when they come in and they're like, Coach, I'm 429 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 1: thinking about quitting. I can't. I can't contribute to the program. 430 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 1: I I say, look, when you look at this in 431 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:23,160 Speaker 1: five or six years down the road, you're gonna laugh 432 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:25,200 Speaker 1: at the adversity that you face in this room when 433 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 1: it comes to the adversity you're gonna face in life. 434 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:29,439 Speaker 1: But I can tell you this right now, if you 435 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:31,240 Speaker 1: quit in this, it's gonna make it a lot easier 436 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:33,159 Speaker 1: to quit in life. And but the only thing is 437 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:36,879 Speaker 1: the problem in life is you can't quit. You gotta 438 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 1: keep going. You gotta get up every day and you 439 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 1: gotta push and you gotta grind. And so this all 440 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:44,200 Speaker 1: you've taken from a little bit of this sport isn't 441 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:47,440 Speaker 1: able you to do that. There's nothing tougher than life. 442 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 1: There's nothing tougher in life. And that's what I say, 443 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:55,680 Speaker 1: preparing here because life is so man I I agree 444 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:58,280 Speaker 1: with you. I used to think running those poll sprints 445 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:00,520 Speaker 1: are running this, that and the other, and with Carolina 446 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:03,280 Speaker 1: Wesley and Mike Fosco, let's go make the time. You know, 447 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 1: I thought that was the hardest thing. I'm like, man, 448 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:07,480 Speaker 1: I was getting ready to go to that. I was 449 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:09,359 Speaker 1: only mad at that time because I was getting ready. 450 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:11,160 Speaker 1: I want to go to the cafeteria and eat because 451 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 1: my meal was prepared for me. You know what I mean. 452 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:15,520 Speaker 1: Like in hindsight, it's like, oh my god, you know, 453 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:18,080 Speaker 1: and I was in shape, I'm fit. It's it's it's 454 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:20,320 Speaker 1: it's crazy. Then you're right, you take those things away 455 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:23,199 Speaker 1: from your coach. A lot of kids want to be 456 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:25,639 Speaker 1: able to find their way on your radar. I know 457 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:28,359 Speaker 1: you are at you know, an astute university that is 458 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:31,639 Speaker 1: the highest degree academic wise. You're wrestling in the A 459 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:33,719 Speaker 1: c C. You're competing on the national scene. You've had 460 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:36,440 Speaker 1: all Americans. But what can these kids do to get 461 00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 1: seeing him, to put themselves in a position to be 462 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:40,639 Speaker 1: able to compete his college athletes. It might not just 463 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:43,080 Speaker 1: be just for Duke University, but also to just get 464 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:45,280 Speaker 1: on the scene. What are some physical things they could do? 465 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:47,640 Speaker 1: And also from a character and academic standpoint, the best 466 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 1: way to make themselves recognizable or recruitable by college coaches. Well, 467 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 1: I just think one, you got to get your video 468 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:57,400 Speaker 1: out first of all. For us, it's it's two folds. 469 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:00,840 Speaker 1: I mean, where where Duke's non scholars it. So those 470 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:03,640 Speaker 1: things have to line up with your financial aid part 471 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 1: of it. Then the academic part of it is another 472 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:08,920 Speaker 1: part of it. Uh with us. So if I if 473 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:11,520 Speaker 1: I can't get you in, then then you know there's 474 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:13,600 Speaker 1: no sense of recruiter. So but I think you know 475 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:16,440 Speaker 1: one is transcripts. Just stay up the date. I mean, 476 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:18,639 Speaker 1: you look at the country. There's a lot of student 477 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 1: athletes out there, so it's it's just really hard to 478 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:24,440 Speaker 1: see everybody at one time. But I say the guys 479 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 1: all the time. If there's a university that you want 480 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 1: make yourself known, make yourself known. Don't don't be that 481 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 1: guy that says, well, he needs he needs to come 482 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:33,679 Speaker 1: out to me, he needs to come out to me. 483 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:36,040 Speaker 1: It's like, Hey, if I want to go there, put 484 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:38,920 Speaker 1: yourself on the radar, get your transcripts, get your video out, 485 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:41,960 Speaker 1: make contact with the coaching, Email the coach. That kind 486 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:44,560 Speaker 1: of stuff is important because at the end of the day, 487 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:46,919 Speaker 1: it's like if you it's just it's just like athletics. 488 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:49,040 Speaker 1: It's just like you're trying to compete for a state championship. 489 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 1: You're not gonna let that state championship call in your lap. 490 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:53,280 Speaker 1: You're gonna go out and get it. And so if 491 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:55,080 Speaker 1: you want to if there's a university that you want 492 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 1: to go out, you know, put yourself out there. Do 493 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:01,200 Speaker 1: it with the video, do it, do it with the transcription, 494 00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:05,119 Speaker 1: email the coach, make contact with coch be persistent with contact. 495 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:07,679 Speaker 1: That's that's something that I can say because for me, 496 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:10,399 Speaker 1: I look at my recruiting and it's just like you 497 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:12,719 Speaker 1: know you, I'll go in the office right now and 498 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:15,399 Speaker 1: I'll have six emails from kids just like from all 499 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:17,359 Speaker 1: little country saying, Oh, I love dude, I love that. 500 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:18,920 Speaker 1: This is my story just what I want to be 501 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:20,920 Speaker 1: just wanted you, and you get all these emails and 502 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:23,439 Speaker 1: then you put them in a datavation. Then you start 503 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:25,680 Speaker 1: calling kids, and then you lose kids and you get kids. 504 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:28,120 Speaker 1: When I tell you what, a lot of the guys 505 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 1: that making on the scene with me are the guys 506 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:33,480 Speaker 1: that are competing. They're finding ways to go out and 507 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 1: get competition, and also that they're persistent. They're like, hey, look, 508 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 1: I'm I want to be a duke. I want to 509 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:42,320 Speaker 1: be at a university like duke. Uh you know, Hey, 510 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:44,280 Speaker 1: coach outs everything going, Hey, this is my update, this 511 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 1: is what I'm doing right now. This is why I'm competing. 512 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:48,920 Speaker 1: And and that kid is You're like, oh man, this 513 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 1: guy's he's on it. He's always ready to go. So 514 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:53,720 Speaker 1: that that's kind of my thing, is like, if you 515 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:55,720 Speaker 1: want to go after it and grab it, don't wait 516 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:58,159 Speaker 1: for the coach to find you. You find the coach. 517 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:02,359 Speaker 1: The squeak wheel gets degree. It's like, Hey, I tell kids, 518 00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 1: and I'm in business. It's the same way. My portion 519 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:07,399 Speaker 1: of my job as recruiting and training. And you know, 520 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:10,120 Speaker 1: it's a matter of Hey, if if you're persistent, persistency 521 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:12,200 Speaker 1: get your places in life. Man, you gotta be because 522 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 1: I think persistency shows passion, right, and we all want 523 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:17,280 Speaker 1: to be around people who are passionate about their craft, 524 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:20,359 Speaker 1: no doubt. And and and to me, if you're like 525 00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 1: I had a kid, uh so this kid, uh he's 526 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 1: from Alabama, he's getting his doctorate's degree in engineering. The 527 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:31,919 Speaker 1: kid is super smart. He hadn't wrestled for four years. 528 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:35,840 Speaker 1: So Dawn the COVID pandemic. When you're just like locked down, 529 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,920 Speaker 1: you you don't want to add any guys to your team. 530 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 1: So Dawn the pandemic. He was like, Coach, I want 531 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:43,080 Speaker 1: to wrestle, Like, give me a background. I am wrestles 532 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:44,800 Speaker 1: this way. I'm like, all right away, no way, there's 533 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 1: no way. So it is guy, I don't know how 534 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:48,959 Speaker 1: you would do it. But he would find me on 535 00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 1: campus every single day. It's like, Coach, I want to 536 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:54,639 Speaker 1: wrestle for duke. I want to wrestle with dude. And 537 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:56,680 Speaker 1: I was like, oh my goodness, there's no way this 538 00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 1: kid has instal in four years. I mean he's he's 539 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:01,679 Speaker 1: a doctor student. He's never gonna have time. And so 540 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:04,400 Speaker 1: it's like, okay, So finally found me one day he's 541 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:06,960 Speaker 1: outside and I'm like, holy medical Okay, let me get 542 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:08,880 Speaker 1: this kid a physical. So I get him a physical. 543 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:10,480 Speaker 1: And then I said, once I get him in the room. 544 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:12,359 Speaker 1: Once he you know, he hadn't us for four years. 545 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 1: He won't come back after a hard practice. He goes 546 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 1: through a hard practice, who's the first one in there? Time? 547 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:20,719 Speaker 1: You know he's in there. He you know he's limited 548 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:24,439 Speaker 1: an ability, he's limited it and wrestling skilt. But his 549 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:28,639 Speaker 1: persistency of just wanting to be a part of the program. 550 00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 1: I he made me say yes and and And that's 551 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 1: the thing I say with people. Don't don't be so 552 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,919 Speaker 1: big that you can't say if. Because you listen to 553 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,480 Speaker 1: all these athletes, it's like, all you know, he's gotta 554 00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:45,359 Speaker 1: come after me. He's gotta show that he's important to me. 555 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 1: I'm like, if it's important to you, it's what you want, 556 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 1: then don't take no for an answer. Go for it. 557 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:54,160 Speaker 1: Make the coach may take you, you know, or make 558 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:57,080 Speaker 1: the coach say no. Don't be that guy that says, well, 559 00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,479 Speaker 1: he's gotta come out. Because if you want, if you 560 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:02,640 Speaker 1: want it, go get it. That's Glenn Lanham, had wrestling 561 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:05,679 Speaker 1: coach at Duke University. Thanks for listening to the Reform 562 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 1: Sports Project podcast Dominick Boncourt and Our goal is to 563 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:11,919 Speaker 1: restore a healthy balance and perspective in all areas of 564 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:15,520 Speaker 1: sports through education and advocacy. For updates, please follow us 565 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 1: on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram, or check out our website 566 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:20,880 Speaker 1: by searching for the Reform Sports Project